JS> Subject: RE: ROSWELL UPDATE
JS> Please check our web site for the Roswell stuff to make sure
JS> that it is presented ok ... I will look at your new material
and
JS> see if I feel some of it should be added. I am going to add
more
JS> things into our UFO and Crystal Skull section tomorrow.
Joshua; heres the name and number of the BBS I was talking about.
GRAY'S
ANATOMY BBS at 1-619-778-1866. Sorry I don't have time to chat today,
but I'm really backed up. Thanks for your kind words.
Robert.
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Date: 03-05-95 (11:34) . . . . . . Number: 1615
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Article taken from THE PEOPLE newspaper 5 March 1995.
(Text between asterisks is in italics).
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* wcGATE 4.0 = UFONet * Stairway to Heaven BBS, London, UK * 0181-
769-1740
BEWARE...THEY'RE STILL OUT THERE!
ALIENS ARE CAPTURED...ON FILM.
By JULES STENSON.
An amazing film showing the first real-life
pictures of aliens is about to be released - and
here's what they look like.
These drawings (not included here, but in file
ALIENFLM.ZIP on STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN BBS) are based
on statements from witnesses who saw their
mutilated bodies.
American military personnel filmed post-mortem
examinations carried out on the creatures from
outer space, whose UFO is said to have crashed
in the United States. They also filmed debris
from the wrecked flying saucer.
Now the astonishing footage - never seen
publicly before - has been bought for u100,000
by London-based film producer Ray Santilli.
He is making a video of the footage with Reg
Presley, singer with Sixties pop band The
Troggs, who is a UFO enthusiast.
Witnesses said piles of strange wreckage were
found following the crash near the US air base
at Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947.
* The event, the world's most enduring UFO
mystery, has been dubbed the "cosmic Watergate"
because of claims that there was an official
cover-up. *
The aliens were said to be 3+-4ft tall, grey-
skinned with large heads and almond eyes.
They were two-legged, with thin arms and four
fingers on each hand.
The wreckage - foil-like, but made of incredibly
strong metal - and the bodies were rapidly
removed amid growing publicity.
US authorities said at the time that the debris
was from a weather balloon, but last year the
story was changed. It was claimed the crash
involved a US spy satellite.
Philip Mantle, director of investigations for
the British UFO Research Association, said:
"The
footage shows the whole event - the crash scene
and between three and five aliens, some of them
mutilated.
* "The wreckage was not discovered until about a
week after the crash, so some of the bodies had
decomposed and were partly eaten by predators. *
"The aliens have flesh and blood and are like
humans. They had overly large heads and no hair.
Their noses, lips and ears were small and they
had dark, sunken eyes. They are very human-
looking.
"The footage is unique. It is the only known
instance of aliens on film.
"An air force officer from Washington was
brought in to take the film.
"He kept some film rolls secretly for years,
then sold them to Ray Santilli because he needed
the money."
* Despite the attempts by the US authorities to
play down the 48-year-old Roswell incident, the
best-documented UFO mystery, the story refuses
to die.
That's largely because the wreckage was seen and
photographed by local people before being
removed by the US military.
Harry Maguire, who works for Santilli's film
company Merlin Productions, confirmed that a
video was being made from the Roswell footage.
He Said: "There are a few loose ends to be tied
up yet. But we do have the footage."
A Hollywood film about the Roswell case,
starring Kyle McLachlan and Martin Sheene, is to
be released in Britain next month.
(Joshua: This is the HBO Film that was shown in the U.S. and is in
Video
Stores too. I spoke to one of the producers of this film on
Compuserve and their goals he said, was to capture the drama of
the people involved in Roswell and let the public know what
really happened, as close as they could go based on the
information they had. The Producer said he was very frustrated
that the US Govt. didn't just come out and say what it knows.)
[END]
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While scanning the Newsgroups, I found this other information
posted in one
of the UFO newsgroups .................. Joshua
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Subject: Re: Roswell update, film footage
From: Pagemake@raven.cybercom.com (QuarkMaster)
Date: Mon, 06 Mar 95 05:10:16 GMT
( This message sent by someone else, not QuarkMaster)
It's my understanding that a special screening of this
footage was held today in the UK for the Archbishop of Canterbury...
Fox is supposed to be airing the footage in a special this month...
Apparently they outbid everyone else for the rights, paying $150K for
15 minutes of footage out of over 90 minutes... It also appears that
initial examination/testing of the film showed it to be consistent
with film from the 1940's... It supposedly shows footage from the
autopsies of a Grey, and a "Technician "type (term used by R.D. Butler
in his article on UFO Occupant Classifications
ftp.webcom.com/pub/way/> to read it) smaller humanoid being. This
thing is causing a stir in the appropriate places. Talk is that this
could be the beginning of things finally opening up. We'll see....
Keep us clued in as to when this special will air.
***************
* QUARKMaster *
***************
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One of my best contacts for Internet related information is my friend
Sheldon who lives close by in Chicago. Sheldon has been offering some
great advice how to improve our sight and knows I have been collecting
information related to the Roswell film discovered in England. So
recently Sheldon passed on the following information which I thought I
would include (thanks Sheldon!):
- * - * - * - * -
Dear UFO Disbeliever
Byline: Philip Mantle
Notes: You have scoffed at all those stories of flying saucers.
Yet the Director of Investigations at the UFO Research Association has
a film which he believes will open your eyes and change your mind.
- * - * - * - * -
03/29/95, THE INDEPENDENT - London
For years now you have heaped scorn and ridicule on our belief that
there are such things as Unidentified Flying Objects. The time is fast
approaching for me to say, "I told you so", and for you to eat your
words.
A film has arrived from North America which is the Holy Shroud of
the UFO movement. It is the closest we have yet come to proving not
only that UFOs are plying our skies but also that aliens have landed
on earth.
The film was taken in the summer of 1947 in a place called Roswell,
New Mexico. It was taken by a military film cameraman who was flown to
the desert from Washington DC to film the crash of a UFO. There are 14
canisters of 16mm film of the incident. I have only seen a
fragment.
That shows a scene which at the very least is enigmatic and
intriguing. It is grainy black and white. There is no sound. It shows
a scene in the desert. Two men in white coats are working, taking
samples and inspecting something on a bench. That thing is the
inhabitant of a crashed spacecraft.
The alien is humanoid, of slight build and average height. It has
no hair, eyes, nose or ears but it does have large, dark eyes.
The men in white coats are taking samples and inspecting the humanoid.
Behind them stands a man in a dark suit, who looks as though he is a
military officer.
The implications of this film are far-reaching. First, it is the
best proof we have yet obtained that an alien spacecraft did crash
that summer in 1947. The Roswell case is legendary. We have more than
300 witnesses to the incident. Now we have this detailed film and the
cameraman, who went on to a distinguished career in the private
sector, is prepared to go on the record in public to explain what he
saw.
Second, the film also implies there has been a massive and
prolonged government cover-up of this, and possibly other incidents.
The US military has known for decades that UFOs have landed on earth
but poured cold water on all our theories.
Evidence that we are being constantly visited by UFOs has been
mounting with eye-witness accounts, still photographs and scraps of
video. This film from Roswell is the icing on the cake. It is no
coincidence that the X Files has become a cult television series.
If you want to see the film, come along to the 8th International
UFO Congress in Sheffield on 19 and 20 August. There will be a panel
of academics and specialists from Africa, America, Spain and Denmark
to outline new evidence and theories of UFO sightings. You might just
be persuaded that we are not alone in the universe and that UFO
researchers such as myself have not been wasting our time for the past
50 years.
- * - * - * - * -
Film of `aliens' offered to MoD
( MoD --> Ministry of Defense in England )
03/28/95 - THE TIMES OF LONDON
FILM that is claimed to show the bodies of alien beings who died when
a "UFO" crashed in the New Mexico desert in 1947 is to be offered to
the Ministry of Defence for analysis.
The 91-minute film, which purports to show a number of dead aliens
with neither hair nor facial features and the wreckage of their craft,
was allegedly shot by US government officials and kept under wraps for
47 years until an unauthorised copy emerged recently.
Philip Mantle, director of investigations of the British UFO
Research Association, said yesterday: "I am sceptical by nature but
potentially this is mind-boggling."
The claim is the latest twist in the story of the world's most
celebrated UFO mystery which has sparked decades of speculation and
conspiracy theories. According to a report in The Times, the US Army
announced on July 8, 1947, that an object resembling a "flying disk"
had been found near Roswell and sent to the military research centre
at Wright Field, Ohio. But last September the Roswell incident was
officially identified in a US Air Force report as part of a secret
American atomic spying programme.
Flying-saucer enthusiasts, reluctant to abandon their theories,
denounced the Air Force report as a cover-up and produced the film.
The cameraman who leaked the black and white footage passed it to
the British TV documentary film-maker Ray Santilli. It will form the
basis of a BBC TV documentary due to be screened in August and also
shown to an international audience of UFO spotters during a two-day
conference at Sheffield Hallam University on August 19-20.
- * - * - * - * -
They Came From Space
03/27/95 - THE GUARDIAN (London)
Film allegedly showing dead aliens is to be screened to a
conference at Sheffield Hallam University this August, according to
Philip Mantle of the British UFO Research Association. The 90-minute
film, said to have been classified top-secret and to have been copied
by a military cameraman, was allegedly shot by US officials after a
flying saucer crashed in New Mexico in 1947.
- * - * - * - * -
UFO buffs to see film of dead alien
03/26/9 - AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
LONDON, March 26 (AFP) - A previously top secret film purporting
to show US scientists doing an autopsy on an alien creature nearly 50
years ago will be shown in August at a UFO conference, sponsors of the
event said Sunday.
US air force officials shot the 91-minute film in 1947 in the New
Mexico desert after a flying saucer crashed, said Philip Mantle of the
British UFO (Unidentified Flying Object) Research Association.
A former US military photographer, now 82, made a copy of the film
and gave it to a British documentary filmmaker he met in the United
States, Mantle said.
At one point the film shows US scientists performing an autopsy on
a "dead alien", Mantle said. Other footage in the black-and-white, 16-
mm film shows the wreckage of the flying saucer.
The screening is scheduled for August at Sheffield University in
northern England during a two-day conference on UFO buffs.
"We have already had the film checked out by Kodak who confirm it
is 50 years old, and we now plan to have it examined by film experts
at the university," Mantle said. "This film has never had a public
screening before in the world and is already creating intense
interest."
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UK TODAY RADIO SHOW
( March 29th, England with Scott Chisholm )
What follow are parts of a transcription from a UK Radio station
named `TALK RADIO UK`. The program was called `UK TODAY` and presented
by Scott Chisholm. The show was broadcast on Wednesday 29th March
1995.
-----=====PART ONE=====-----
Key [SC] = Scott Chisholm.
SC "I wonder will history be made at Sheffield Halem University in
August.
Will it be an Earth shattering, mind boggeling revelation. The
answers
to one of the great unaswered questions of man is there anyone out
there. UFO`s fact or fabrication or figment of imagination."
SC "The British UFO research organisation, if thats not a
contradiction in
terms, promises us the first sight of aliens. Filmed supposedly in
an
American desert near the New Mexican town of Roswell back in 1947,
there
supposedly a space ship crashed, a space ship crewed by aliens and
the
aliens perished in the accident. Now the creatures were examined
by
Airforce personel. There was a top security base nearby, and the
examination of these aliens was inside a tent in the desert where
they
died was filmed and now the elderly American cameraman has sold
his film
supposedly because he wants to finance his grandaughters wedding,
and
thats the film we eagerly await to be shown at Sheffield Halem
University in August."
SC "Now there are 14 cans apparently of film and one of them, the one
that
has been seen shows, well its grainy, black & white first of all,
there`s
no sound and it shows a scene in the desert, 2 men in white coats
are
working taking samples and inspecting something on a bench. That
thing is
the inhabitant of a crashed space craft. The alien is humanoid of
slight
build and average hight, has no hair, nose or ears but it does
have large
dark eyes. The men in white coats are taking samples and
inspecting the
humanoid. Behind them stands a man in a dark suit who looks as
though he
is a military officer."
SC "I want to inrtoduce our guest in the studio Jerry Barret runs an
outfit
called Polygraph Security Services. He is a lie detector. Morning
Jerry. You are a lie detector."
JB "I am, thats my work."
SC "Right, and you travel all over detecting lies, right you`ve
investigated
many of these people with UFO experiences, infact alien
experiences."
JB "Alien experiences, abductions and all sorts of similar
incidents."
SC "And what have you found about these people"
JB "They are all telling the truth. You were saying earlier fact,
fabrication
or figment, well I don`t know whether its fact. I don`t know
whether its a figment of their imagination, but I do know that its
not a fabrication,
they are not making up the story to gain a bit of publicity."
SC "Now whats the story you`ve been told when people have been
strapped up
to your lie detector, your polygraph, whats this story been about
being
abducted."
JB "Right, well the way the polygraph works, the lie detector works is
that
I spend an hour or two or three or four interviewing the subject
to agree
a list of questions which they can answer yes or no, so theres no
maybe,
perhaps or anything else. When I`ve agreed the exact wording of
the
question I`m going to ask like for instance, were you on the 29th
July
1993 abducted from your bed in (such & such a place) and taken to
a space
ship, and the answer to that is yes or no. I mean they are very
specific
close questions. So I spend a long time and I talk to the people &
the
one thing that comes through very clearly is their sincerity. Now
when
I`m doing a lie test I`m trying totally to remain objective. I
don`t
want to know whether your telling the truth or lying. I just want
to
know the full facts and the story. I then allow the instrument to
do the
work because it measures the autonomic nervous reactions which
take place
in your body when a worthwhile lie is told. So I remain totally
objective
until I`ve got the charts & I`ve read the charts and analysed them
&
then I can say I`m sorry Scott, I`m sorry to tell you that your
lying in
answer to question number 4 and question number 7. You are telling
the
truth in response to the others, so its a very black & white
excersise."
-----=====END PART ONE=====-----
Note from Illinois: If I receive via snet (a special mailing
list the second part of this radio broadcast, it will be added to this
section.
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APRIL 12TH, 1995 - FROM ILLINOIS:
I was continuing to browse
through the various Internet newsgroups and discovered some new
information related to the Roswell film. Also I found some of the
comments people were making quite interesting so I decided to open up
two new sections related to Roswell. One section will contain
comments from regular folks, like you and I about the authenticity of
the film and the other section is related to additional information
and evidence posted on Internet that support the crash at Roswell did
happen in 1947. For a list of these new sections, go to the end of
this page.
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From: sgamble@hgmp.mrc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble)
Subject: Re: Roswell Film to be released
Date: 31 Mar 1995 17:58:46 GMT
In article kol@pheidippides.axion.bt.co.uk, cstonebr@axion.bt.co.uk
(Clive Stonebridge) writes:
>
[ material edited to save space]
>This would appear to be exactly the kind of evidence that UFO
>research groups have been trying to find for years, they finally get
>it and then they stall
The film (i.e. the 16mm original) is, as far as I know, not with any
UFO research group. What appears to have been shown to a very few
people is a video extract said to have been transferred from the
original.
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From: noring@netcom.com (Jon Noring)
Subject: Re: Roswell Film - Irish Times
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:38:05 GMT
In article Eddie Gahan writes:
>I found this article in the Irish Times 27/3/95. It's probably old
>hat to you serious Roswell fans but for those of you that are
>interested here it is.
>
>A TOP-SECRET film allegedly showing dead aliens will be screened for
>the first time anywhere in the world this summer in Britain. It will
>also form the basis of a BBC TV documentary due to be screened in
>August...
>
>``Of course, any film or picture can be faked, but if this is a hoax,
>a lot of people were involved because they can be clearly seen on
>screen, and by now we might have expected that one of them would have
>let the cat out of the bag.
>
>``Our intention is to show the film and then Mr Santilli, who is
>convinced it is genuine, will speak about the film. Then people will
>have to make up their own minds.''
One way to support its authenticity (time-wise) is try to identify the
individuals shown in the film. Some of these people may still be
alive, and if they were able to identify themselves in it, would go a
LONG way towards proving its authenticity. Of course, that would
require somebody coming forward and saying that's them, which they may
be afraid to (however, if some of them are very old, they may say,
"what the hell, what can they do to an 85 year old man?". The other
way is to determine identities with portraits from that time. If a
positive ID is made of individuals who are still alive, interviewing
them would be of interest. If they say "no comment", may be proof
enough of its authenticity.
Intriguing possibilities.
Jon Noring
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From: joachim.koch@wad.fido.de (Joachim Koch)
Date: 06 Apr 95 22:48:00
Subject: THE ROSWELL FILM SHOWING ALIENS
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Hello All!
This is something very important we have received from a colleague and
good friend from the U.K. who might be known in the U.S., too.
As we declare that everything with regards to extraterrestrial
intelligence is of interest to the whole planetary society and should
not withheld from publishing we would like to present to you the
following.
April, 6th, 1995, The International Roswell Initiative
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Claim of film footage showing aliens at Roswell
-----------------------------------------------
During a TV talk show in January Reg Presley said that he had
recently seen video footage which was said to have been taken
at Roswell, New Mexico, following the crash there of a flying
saucer in July 1947. This footage apparently showed two aliens
who were being "worked on" by doctors, though it is not clear
whether they were alive or dead.
Reg is a British pop musician, best known as a member of the
Troggs during the late '60s & '70s. He is still very active
in that role and a top single he had written then, "Love is all
around", recently made a sensational comeback when it was
featured in the soundtrack of the hit movie "Four Weddings and
a Funeral". Reg is a UFO and crop circle enthusiast.
Background to the Roswell footage story is as follows: Two
guys from the world of pop music went to the U.S. to see some
old footage of Elvis Presley (no relation!) never previously
made public, which was in the possesion of a man in California
who was aged "nearly 80". They readily agreed to buy his excel-
lent Elvis footage, and the old man was sufficiently encouraged
to say "Well, if you thought that was fantastic, you'd better
take a look at this!" He then produced fourteen or fifteen
cartridges of film with perhaps 10 minutes worth on each. He
picked up some of these cartridges and proceeded to show them
footage which he says he shot at Roswell in early July 1947.
At the time, he was sent by the U.S. Army to make a cine film
(not stills) of debris in the desert which was apparently that
of a crashed flying saucer. He filmed this and a large crane
which was being used at the crash site. Then he was taken to
film two dead or dying aliens who were being "worked on" in a
temporary shelter. One had been initially still alive but died
subsequently. Whether the two doctors were trying to save this
one, or merely performing autopsies on both corpses is not
clear. A third man in an overcoat was standing close by and
may have been from military intelligence. The photographer
lamented the fact that the cine camera which he used for this
was one meant for outside filming rather than one more suitable
for the dimmer light inside the shelter where the bodies were.
The aliens appeared to Reg to be tall, say, about 6 ft 6 in.(Other
people who have seen it apparently dispute this saying
the aliens were no more than 5 ft tall.) They were very skinny
and had big black eyes. Reg's description hardly corresponds
to other accounts of the alien bodies said to have been seen
at Roswell then, which were described as being of "oriental
appearance", and it certainly doesn't tally with the story that
child-sized funeral caskets were ordered for the bodies, unless
of course the corpses were dismembered. Some of this film
apparently shows parts of the alien corpses which had been
severed and were labelled. Other cartridges allegedly show
many military men at the crash site and among them the then
President, Harry S Truman, is visible. This is something that
has never previously been suggested but might be checkable.
The quality of the black and white film, taken from the end of
the beds, is "not great". The original was on the type of cine
film which would have been used in that era. It is said to
have been recently examined by Kodak who confirm this is 1940s
film. Reg has only seen 15 minutes worth, which is less than
half the total footage; what he was shown had been copied on
to modern videotape. He appears very confident that this film
footage is in fact genuine. He knows the name of the man from
California who is said to have shot the footage but he cannot
yet disclose this. This Army cine photographer, who supposedly
kept unauthorised copies of what he had filmed, is NOT Nicholas
van Poppen, a name sometimes mentioned in connection with
filming the Roswell crash but who died several years ago. The
photographer is reported by some to be 82 years old.
The footage is in the possession of Ray Santilli who lives in
London and who intends to produce a documentary out of it. He
sees this clearly as a commercial venture. He is said to have
purchased the original film for $100,000, or perhaps $150,000.He has
had the film for about two years and it has now all been
transferred onto modern videotape, both as a direct copy and
also in the form of a version which has undergone enhancement.One
story is that it has now been sold to Fox for $200,000 and
that they will make a TV program about it. Another is that
Rupert Murdoch has taken a personal interest in it and has
secretly arranged to show it to certain important people. None
of this can be confirmed.
Santilli is a book publisher and is connected with the film
industry. He is not a UFO buff and has not been at all
responsive to inquiries made by other UFO researchers. Clearly
his principal interest is in the commercial value of this
footage but he has promised Reg Presley a copy of the film for
private use but only on condition that it is not copied. Some
of us are hoping to get a look at this in the near future.
Although there is obviously much scope for some elaborate hoax,
well-fuelled by the publicity of suppressed mystery, it would
be wise to suspend judgement until we have seen this Roswell
footage, which, it seems, we all will in due course anyway.One source
has told me that there are inaccuracies in the film,
such as performing autopsies without surgical gloves. Also an
anachronism in that samples removed from the corpses are placed
in plastic bags rather than glass bottles which would have been
used in 1947. If these reports are true, the authenticity of
the film is in question. There are also reports that copies
of the films are in possession of the military.
Any verdict on the authenticity of the film will greatly depend
upon an independent examination of the original film, since any
amount of falsification is now possible using computer
techniques such as those employed in "Forrest Gump" (if you
don't believe this, go see the movie!). As for myself, I will
only offer an opinion as regards authenticity when I've seen
this Roswell footage and have had a chance to look at the
original film.
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From George Wingfield, March 6th 1995
Update on the Roswell film (March 28th 1995): Today two leading
national newspapers, the Daily Mail and The Times (of London)
carried stories about the recently rediscovered Roswell film
footage. In particular they both reveal that BBC TV will
screen this footage (apparently 91 minutes worth, in black and
white) sometime in late August. It is interesting that the
story in both papers is presented factually and without the
usual snide dismissal that we have come to expect.
Naturally the authenticity of the film is the main issue that
is discussed. A preview of the film footage will be presented
at the UFO Conference in Sheffield on August 19-20 which is run
by BUFORA (British UFO Research Association). Conference
organiser Philip Mantle has told the press that Ray Santilly
will present extracts from the Roswell film and speak about its
background. Mantle says that the Kodak company have tested the
original film cartridges and found them to be celluloid cine
film of that period.
These reports are very encouraging in that there are obviously
a number of people prepared to go out on a limb with regard to
the authenticity of the film. This seems to correspond to what
I am hearing from a usually sceptical source of mine who works
for NASA in the U.S. He says that reliable sources, which he
has, are treating the film seriously and to the effect that it
was a deliberate leak of information rather than disinform-
ation. On this general topic he has heard from two independent
sources the message that major official revelations on UFOs are
imminent. Of course, as UFO researchers, we've all heard that
before, only to have our expectations disappointed. However,
at present, I think that things are looking fairly encouraging.
GW
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Subject: Bufora/roswell film
From: searchnet.zec@channel1.com (Searchnet Zec)
Date: Sat, 08 Apr 1995 18:23:00 -0500
Origin: TEXSTAR - 0023 - MUFON_Public
From: MIKE MITCHELL Public
To: ALL
Date: 03/30/95 at 20:43
Re: 8th International Congres
U.F.O`s : EXAMINING THE EVIDENCE"
The 8th international UFO Congress organized by the British UFO
Research Association, will take place at the University of
Hallam, Pennine Theatre, Sheffield, South Yorkshire. The Congress
will take place over the weekend of August 19 & 20, 1995.
The Congress will be in honor of Mr. Walter Andrus, international
Director of the Mutual UFO Network. Mr. Andrus will conduct the
opening and closing ceremonies and he will be the recipient of a
special presentation on behalf of BUFORA for his services to
ufology. The line-up of speakers at this years Congress is
probably one of the most interesting for many years. As you uill
see below the Congress is indeed international in every sense of
the word.
SPEAKERS:
Dr Leo Sprinkle (USA), Vicente Juan Ballester Olmos (Spain),
Jiles Hamilton (USA), Per Andersen (Denmark), Malcolm Robinson
(Scotland), Cynthia Hind (Zimbabwe), Peter Robbins (USA),
Maurizio Verga (Italy), Dr Helmut Lammer (Austria), John
Carpenter (USA).
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
We sincerely hope, after many years of trying, to have at this
years Congress the first Russian scientists to lecture on the UFO
subject anywhere in the UK. Dr Sergey Chemouss is a senior
research assistant at the Polar Geophysical Institute in Murmansk
Russia. Dr Yulii Platov is a research scientists at the lnstitute
of Terrestrial Magnetism, lonosphere and Radio Wave propagation
in Moscow, Russia. Both are members of the Russian Academy of
Sciences. Both of our Russian coLleagues are unable to definitely
confirm their attendance at the Congress until the end of April.
THE VENUE:
The Pennine Theatre at the University of Hallam in Sheffield is a
purpose-built high-tech lecture theatre that is ideal for our
needs. Fully air conditioned and comfortable and centrally
situated in the heart of Sheffield only short walk from both bus
and rail terminals. Accommodation at a nearby hotel has also been
arranged and a special Congress buffet has also been orgarnized.
The organizers reserve the right to alter any and all aspects of
the Congress without i pnor notification.
For full Congress details please send a SAE to: Congress 95, 1
Woodhall Drive, Batley, West Yorkshire, England, WF17 7SW.
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From: RICH BOYLAN Public
To: MIKE MITCHELL
Date: 04/01/95 at 10:53
Re: 8th International Congres
Michael:
Greetings! You, and BUFORA, have put together quite an
informative and prestigious Conference, indeed. Anyone who
attends will get an earful of useful information.
But, can you verify for me a most interesting dispatch about the
August 19-20 8th International BUFORA Conference: namely, that a
top-secret 16mm Army Signal Corps film from 1947 will be screened
at your Conference, showing the autopsy in progress on an
extraterrestrial corpse at the Roswell, New Mexico UFO crash
site? Apparently, British TV documentary filmmaker Ray Santilli
obtained this footage from a former Army Air Corps Intelligence
photographer, and it will be made part of a BBC documentary due
to be aired also in August.
Will you please reply soonest as to the veracity of this dispatch
from John W. Ratcliff, dated 28 March? Thank you very much,
Michael, for all your service to UFO truth getting out. You have
been a very informative correspondent from the UK. And a credit
to Scotsmen everywhere, I might add.
- Rich Boylan
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From: MIKE MITCHELL Public
To: RICH BOYLAN
Date: 04/03/95 at 12:59
Re: 8th International Congres
Hi Rich , sorry i have had little time lately to speak to you but
many things are happening here at the moment, all will be
revealled shortly.
The above is accurate , Bufora have got the rights to give the
first public airing of the original Roswell Cine camera film(S).
I`m hoping to be invited to a preview of the whole film(s) with a
bunch of our S.P.I. members, i dunno when but i hope it is soon .
From what i can gather a former military person decided it was
time to get the truth about Roswellout into the open once and for
all. Mr santilli bought all the film and is planning to make a
documentary and i believe he is going to make a video to sell to
the public.
I will endeavour to get more details at our meeting tonight ..
Keep up the good work
from the hammer of the Scotts :-)
Mike
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From: neil@station1.demon.co.uk (Neil Doyle)
Subject: UK conference/Roswell film
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:23:21 GMT
Apologies if this has been posted before, but I thought it might be useful
to put out the details of the BUFORA 8th International UFO Congreess to be
held at the University of Hallam in Sheffield, UK, on 19 & 20 August. This
is the one where the alleged Roswell footage will be shown.
Ray Santilli is scheduled to speak on the Saturday19th (time not yet
confirmed) but may be persuaded to speak on both days. He will will show
segments of the film, discuss in greater detail exactly how he came in
possesion of it, and his attempts to analyse it. There is a "meet the
speakers" buffet on the 19th (sounds groovy), although it's not stated
weather yer man will be in attendance.
The conference is titled "UFOs: Examining the Evidence" and,judging by the
bumpf I was sent, it looks good. Others subjects include; multiple
abductions, phenomena over Denmark, atmospheric evolution on Mars and two
Russian speakers presenting research results (one from the Academy of
Sciences).
Apparantly photographic analysis of the film by specialists will be
presented to Mr Santilli "in the near future".
Details: Congress '95, 1 Woodhall Drive, Batley, West Yorkshire WF17 7SW,
UK.
BUFORA: The British UFO Research Association, BM BUFORA, London WC1N 3XX.
No e-mail addresses given.
cheers
Neil
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From: remow@primenet.com (Dan Pearce)
Subject: That UFO Conference: Details
Date: 18 Apr 1995 17:30:02 GMT
[ Article crossposted from alt.misc.forteana ]
[ Author was Andy Cobley ]
[ Posted on Sat, 15 Apr 1995 13:27:35 GMT ]
I have got hold of the provisional program for the UFO conference that
is to be held in the UK in August where the Roswell Autopsy film may
or may not be shown. I rang the number given below and was sent the
following details along with details of accomodation and of BUFORA's
other activities. Ticket prices are 10 UKP per day or 18 UKP for both
days.
****I have am in no way related to BUFORA or the conference *****
You can find more details by contacting BUFORA on +44 1582 763218 or
even from:
Congress 95,
1 Woodhall Drive,
Batley
West Yorkshire,
UK
WF17 7SW
Here is the program of events and further details that where sent to
me. I suggest the further details are carfully read !
Andy C
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UFO's Examining the Evidence
August 19 and 20 1995
The 8th International UFO Congress, organised by the British UFO research Assosiation will take place at the University of Hallam, Penine Theatre, Pond Stree,Sheffield, South Yorkshire.
Provisional Program
SATURDAY 19TH, AUGUST 1995
9:45 Start
10:00 Malcom Robinson: Scottish Ufology, "Whats going on?"
11:00 Maurizo Verga: The Evidence Through Management of UFO
Related Data: The Italian Example
12:00 Lunch
1:00 John Carpenter: Multiple Participant Abductions
2:00 Per Anderson: Double moons and other Recent Phenoma over
Denmark
3:00 Break
3:30 Dr Sergey Chernouss: Examing the Evidence of the UFO/IFO
"Petrozavodsk Phenomenon" and similar Events in Northen
Russia By the Network of Optical all Sky Cameras.
4:30-5:30 Dr Leo Spinkle: UFO's Examing the Evidence and
Evaluating The Experience
SUNDAY 20TH, AUGUST 1995
9:45 Cynthia Hind:TBA
10:45 Jiles Hamiliton:TBA
11:45 Lunch
1:00 Dr Helmut Lammer: Atmospheric Evolution on Mars and the
Consequence for the Cyodonian Hypothesis
2:00 Peter Robbins: The Brentwaters-Woodbridge Incidents: An
American Perspective
3:00 Break
3:30 Dr Yulii Platov: The Results of Research of the Physical
Nature of Anomalous Phenomena Recieved by The Academy of
Sciences in Russia
4:30 Vicente-Juan Ballester Olmos: Declassificaion of the UFO
Archives of the Spanish Air Force.
5:30 Closing address by our Guest of honour, Walt Andrus,
International Director of the Mutual UFO Network.
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ADDENDUM
In addition to the first class list of speakers at this years Congress the organisers are pleased to announce the presentation by Mr. Ray Santilli, managing director of the Merlin Group. Mr. Stantilli whilst researching a music video in the USA in 1993, quite literally 'stumbled' across alleged film fotage of the actual UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico in 1947.
Mr. Santilli clainms that the veterab cameraman that he contacted regarding archive film of the late Elvis Presley, was at one time emplyed by the US military as a cameraman and that in 1947 he was flown in from Washington to Roswell to film the UFO crash. Returning to Washington the cameraman in question kept a copy of the film, which is said to be 14 canisters of 16mm Black and white film. Each canister is approximatly 7 minutes in duration and devoid of any soundtrack.
Ray Santilli purchased the film in question and upon returning to the UK set about trying to have it authenticated and to concider the best ways in which to eventually to go public with it.
For the purpose of the Congress Mr. Santilli will show segments of the
film and discuss in greater detail of exactly how he came in possession of it and his attempts to analyse it. At this momentin time (29 march 1995) Mr. Santilli is due to be added to the program to speak on Saturday 19th of August. The time of his presentation has yet to be decided.
Should there be any alteration in the program the organisers will attempt to notify you in due course but you are advised to purchase tickets for both daysof the conference just in case Mr. Santilli can be persuaded to speak on both days. Alternativly, should Mr.Santilli or any of the other speakers\have to withdraw their participation from the conference then the organisers will attempt to notify you at the earliest opportunity.
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NB: Despite numerous press reports BUFORA is not yet in a position to be able to authenticate or dispute the claims made by Mr.Santilli although two of BUFORA's officers have viewed some of the footage. BUFORA will be offering analysis by properly trained specialists to Mr.Santilli in the near future in the hope that they can get to the bottom of the whole affair.
--
RW...
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From: simonm@runway.win-uk.net (J Simon Mellor)
Date: Mon, 03 Apr 1995 23:16:04 GMT
Subject: Re: Roswell Film discussion/Central Weekend
transcript.
In article <796695903SNZ@WHEATT.DEMON.CO.UK>, Tom Wheatcroft
(tom@wheatt.demon.co.uk) writes:
>Central Weekend "Roswell Discussion" (22:40 gmt 31st March,1995)
>Shown on ITV, in the Birmingham area (West Midlands, UK)
>Thanks for the transcript Tom, I didn`t get to see the prog.
unfortunately and was looking forward to reading your report
-THANKS J.S.M.
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Well things are certainly
picking up related to this film. As you can see many media sources in
England (especially) are picking up on the story and at the BUFORA
conference in England in August, the film will be publicly shown.
Roswell was the first case that originally had the U.S. Military, send
a press release claiming that a UFO crashed (before the FBI cancelled
this announcement), so it is kind of full circle, that the Roswell
incident maybe the event that
breaks out the door, once for all that the UFOs are visiting our
world. We still have no official confirmation from the "Encounters"
show in the U.S. if they will be showing this film on tv in the U.S.
I guess only time will tell! .............. Illinois
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From: Bill.Chalker@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Chalker)
Subject: Alleged "Roswell" footage
Date: 16 Apr 95 21:17:00 GMT
Attached is a report I have prepared which may be of interest:
Re: Alleged Roswell video.
As there seems to be some hysteria developing about this material and there has been significant inaccuracies creeping into many of the media reports, I thought it appropriate to conveye some of the information I have learnt about this affair.
Back on April 1st, I spoke with Philip Mantle, the Director of Investigations for BUFORA, who has been the main source quoted in most of the media stories. Philip like a number of other researchers has known about the footage story for almost 2 years. A number of researchers were approached then to see if they were prepared to pay for the footage. None had the resources nor the inclination sight unseen. Philip was more persistent than most.
The source was a gentleman named Ray Santilli, who Philip characterised as "a bit of a character" (something of the "Arthur Daley" from "Minder" in him) but a nice enough chap, who is a small business man in London, making videos and selling videos under liscence.
When Santilli first told Mantle about the film, Philip told him he didn't believe him and that it would just remain a story until such time as he was able to sight the material and look further into it.
Mantle was unsuccessful in sighting the footage. Other researchers faced similar unsuccessful gauntlets.
At the beginning of this year Philip Mantle was writing a review of the
"Roswell" movie release. He contacted Santilli to ask if he still claimed to have the film material. Santilli indicated he still did but indicated that Mantle did not believe him.
Soon after that pop singer and song writer, Reg Presley, went on TV to say he had seen part of the film material. Reg is well known in UK UFO circles as being a strong UFO enthusiast. It appears that he and Santilli may have entered into a deal which would have Reg introducing the material on a video to be released under their company, Merlin Video. There is unconfirmed talk of some sort of deal with the BBC.
Philip arrange to meet with Santilli at Santilli's London office. He did this in mid March, along with his wife Sue as a witness.
Santilli told Mantle the same story he had told him some 18 months or more earlier. Santilli claimed he had gone to the States to research a video on Elvis Presley and he sought out an old time camera man, who had a reputation for archival collections on the King. He bought some Elvis footage off him. At that time the fellow showed Santilli some film footage allegedly of Roswell.
According to Santilli, the old gentleman claimed he was prior to 1952, employed by the US military as a camera man, and in 1947 was flown to Roswell to film the alleged Roswell recovery. He claimed to have kept a copy of the footage he took. As his granddaughter was getting married and he needed money, he allegedly offered the footage to Santilli. Santilli claims to have bought the footage for 100,000 pounds.
Philip Mantle has seen only one film - one of allegedly 14 segments of film, each apparently approximately 7 minutes long. They are all allegedly related to Roswell and are suppose to show such things as Harry Truman turning up, autopsies, etc. The segment Mantle saw and was allowed to copy onto video, is what Santilli refers to as "the on site examination". A creature appears to be being examined in what looks like a tent or hut. The being is partially covered, and is lying on a bench or table or similar thing. Its arms, legs and its head are visible. It has no hair, no ears and no nose. It has "big, black eyes". It appears to be pale skinned. The footage is in black and white. It does not appear to be a short entity. Although height
estimates are relative to the 2 figures near it, Mantle indicates the footage suggests its about 5 feet 6 inches, the height of an average man, although he admits it is difficult to tell. I know other acounts refer to more than 6 feet and others to no more than 5 feet! It appears to be slimly built. It is laid flat. Its appears seems to be consistent with the latest version of the Randles & Schmitt scenario, although it does have large dark eyes.
There are 2 men at the far side of the table in white coats. There are not wearing surgicial masks or apparently gloves. They seem to be engaged in examining or sampling from the figure althought it is difficult to determine detail. In the foreground there is a figure with his back to the camera in dark clothing. There is no dialogue on the film.
There are no solid points of reference on the film, according to Philip Mantle. Philip remarked to me that it could easily be a model on the bed or bench. The particular sequence he saw could easily be replicated, with Mantle saying to me, "I could do it in our own garden, if I wanted to." Claims that it has been checked by Kodak are not accurate according to Philip Mantle. He told me as of April 1st, that he had spoken with Kodak and they indicated they had not seen the footage, but were prepared to do so. Philip indicates he felt Santilli was being very honest with him, and that he characterises himself (Santilli) as the wrong person to have this film, and his only intention is to make some money out of it. According to Philip Mantle,
Santilli has no real interest in the content, other than the commercial value of it.
Researchers now have the alleged name of the military photographer. I am aware of it and I hope that US researchers are able to track down the alleged 82 year old and confirm his credentials, one way or another. The legitimacy of this material revolves around the background of the alleged military photographer and how well the original footage stands up to creditiable and experienced examinination. To date none of this has apparently been done. It is a case of simply waiting until those in a position to do so properly authenticate the material and the source or confirm it as a hoax. I would suggest that patience would be our best counsel. The so called Hitler diaries, the Jack the Ripper diary and the MJ 12 affair suggest it would be wise to wait until the full investigation is in. It will either be a great story or an entertaining one.
Bill Chalker,
UFO Investigation Centre,
P.O. Box W42,
West Pennant Hills, NSW,
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ALLEGED ROSWELL FILM FOOTAGE
TO BE SHOWN IN PUBLIC
[For several weeks, rumors have circulated concerning film footage that
allegedly shows bodies and wreckage from the 1947 Roswell incident.
ISCNI*Flash thanks timjam@ix.netcom.com (James Sutton) for forwarding this
latest information.]
On Sunday, March 26, CNN announced on Headline News that in August of this
year at a UFO convention to be held in England a 16 mm film of an alien
autopsy filmed by the U.S. military from a 1947 UFO crash in New Mexico will
be shown to the public. The film is also said to show wreckage of the craft.
No further information was given on CNN. The announcement was made between
sports and entertainment news. However, similar stories were found in a
number of newspapers around the country on the same day. These stories were
apparently based on the following press release (original source not known).
Copyright 1995 The Press Association Limited
Press Association Newsfile
March 26, 1995, Sunday
SECTION: HOME NEWS
LENGTH: 429 words
HEADLINE: UFO EXPERTS TO SEE TOP-SECRET 'DEAD ALIENS' FILM
A top-secret film allegedly showing dead aliens will be screened for the
first time anywhere in the world this summer - in Britain. It will also form
the basis of a sensational BBC TV documentary due to be screened in August.
The 91-minute film, to be shown to an international audience of UFO
spotters at a two-day conference at Sheffield Hallam University, has been
classified as top secret for almost 50 years. It was shot by U.S. government
officials in the desert of New Mexico, allegedly after a flying saucer
crash-landed in 1947. U.S. Air Force officials sealed off the site and the
film, shot by military cameramen, was immediately classified. UFO experts
claim the truth has been covered up ever since.
But the 16mm black and white silent film, shot on 14 reels, was copied
by a former military cameraman, now 82 and still living in America, who
believed the cover-up was wrong and that the evidence should be publicly
examined. He passed it to British TV documentary film maker Ray Santilli -
who was in America making a documentary about Elvis Presley.
The film is alleged to show scientists examining a creature laid on a
slab inside a tent at the crash site, guarded by military police. Scientists
carry out an autopsy on the alien body and examine tissue samples. It is also said to show part of the spaceship wreckage - allegedly made from a material that could not be burned, dented or cut. Experts believe the cover-up was ordered to give U.S. scientists a chance to try to copy the engineering.
The UFO conference where it will be screened in August is likely to
attract more than 500 enthusiasts from as far afield as Russia and South
Africa. Conference organizer Philip Mantle of the British UFO Research
Association said:
"We have already had the film checked out by Kodak who
confirm it is 50 years old, and we now plan to have it examined by film
experts at the university."
Mr. Mantle, director of investigations for the UFO association, added:
"I have seen one seven-minute reel. The film is clear and very intriguing.
"Of course, any film or picture can be faked, but if this is a hoax, a
lot of people were involved because they can be clearly seen on screen, and
by now we might have expected that one of them would have let the cat out of
the bag.
"Our intention is to show the film and then Mr. Santilli, who is
convinced it is genuine, will speak about the film. Then people will have to
make up their own minds.
"This film has never had a public screening before in the world and is
already creating intense interest."
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From: Sammi
Subject: ALIEN AUTOPSY LATEST REPORT
Date: 16 Apr 1995 13:05:28 GMT
From: UFO Magazine published by
Quest International Publications.
March\April 1995.
(For details on how to obtain this magazine, e-mail me.)
(Also in this issue is a World Exclusive on Area 51 - America's Dreamland - 13 pages with data and detailed photographs)
"WORLDWIDE NEWS UPDATE
ROSWELL - THE MISSING LINK?
Details are emerging of some historical film footage which amongst other things purports to show a US military autopsy on a dead alien.
Reg Presley and Busty Taylor recently appeared on (BBC) 'Good Morning
Television' giving partial details about the discovery.
Several cannisters of mid-1940's footage was apparently copied by an official USAF photographer - and stored secretly until now ....
According to our information, the cannisters contain several reels of film which allegedly depict UFO crash sites and debris; more interestingly, however, is the autopsy of at least two humanoid figures -
5 feet 7 inches tall, and 3.6ft respectively.
One sequence shows two surgeons appearing to take thin strips of 'skin' from a tall humanoid figure who has a large oval-shaped head and black oval-shaped eyes. Together with other strips of skin, these were placed in a sealed glass container. In the background can be seen an armed military sentry wearing a cover-all.
The environment was stark and gloomy, apparently resembling a field-type
hospital tent, illuminated by paraffin-lit pressure lamps. The 76-year old former US Army veteran had met a British television producer who was searching archive material. We are told that this elderly man, appreciating
the significance of the footage, whilst at the same time recognising perhaps his last opportunity to capitalise on his good fortune, entered into an arrangement which would see him financially secure during his twilight years.
We are led to believe that over 100 minutes of film exists, and negotiations have already taken place to release significant sections in the near future. Our understanding is that six-figure sums are involved, but this has now become a multi-national chase for exclusive rights between British, American and Japanese media corporations. It is also believed that some of the data is related to the infamous Roswell UFO crash which purportedly occurred in 1947. Most remarkable of all is the revelation that the then President of the United States, Harry S Truman, can clearly be seen wandering amongst the wreckage of a crash site which could well be linked to Roswell and\or Corona, New Mexico.
UFO Magazine is making strenous efforts to verify matters, and Anthony Dodd (Quest's Chief Investigator) is in close touch with the English producer concerned and other key figures. " Unquote
The article includes a still photo from the American production of "Roswell - the Movie: starring Martin Sheen. This photograph shows an alien figure being examined by doctors who have removed skin from various parts of the body lying on the table. The article goes on to say:
"This representation may well mirror the truth if the hitherto secret USAF film turns out to be the real thing"
As Quest's representative (in South Africa) I am being kept updated and I will post any and all information received. - ching@aztec.co.za.
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From: Andrew "Dice" Gore
Subject: Re: ALIEN AUTOPSY LATEST REPORT
Date: 18 Apr 1995 00:14:40 GMT
Don Ecker's "UFO's Tonight" talk show was very good last night. On it
he had an executive producer for Fox's "Encounters" show. He confirmed
the rumors, that the Roswell film is real as described above, and that
Encounters is making every effort to obtain rights to it. The man said
he was just leaving for England to finalize the deal. If everything
goes well, it will be shown this summer as the centerpiece of a UFO-
themed show.
Cassette tapes of the show are available for about $17. Let me know if
you are interested.
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Santilli Gives Press Conference in England
( Friday, April 28th )
From: cniglenda@aol.com (CNI Glenda)
Subject: Ufological update
Date: 16 Apr 1995 15:29:10 -0400
15 Apr 95 11:26:01 Rcvd: Sun 16 Apr 5:59
By: Rich Boylan
To: Glenda Stocks
Re: UFOs
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AREA:I_UFO
Glenda:
Be aware that on Friday, April 28th, British TV documentary
producer Ray Santilli, possessor of the Roswell 1947 Saucer Crash
Retrieval and ET Autopsies Film, will hold a world press
conference to reveal what the films show. Collin Andrews has seen
the film and been given a clip. He has told Sgt. Major Bob Dean
that he thinks the film is authentic. A copy of the film is being
examined by a pathologist M.D. from the British Home Office, (the
equivalent of the U.S. State Department.) The British
Broadcasting Corporation is producing a TV Documentary on the
film that Mr. Santilli has in his possession.
The Boston Globe has run a story on Harvard University's
persecutory committee investigation of Dr. John Mack's research
into ET encounters. The student paper, The Crimson, is going to
run the story of this flagrant violation of academic freedom.
Student activism against the Harvard benighted administration is
anticipated.
White House Science Advisor Dr. Jack Gibbons has responded to an
FOIA request, and released correspondence on UFO matters with
Laurence Rockefeller, USN Cdr. (Ret.) Scott Jones, Ph.D.,
convener of the Cosmic Cultures Conference, US Air Force
officials, former French Govt. UFO Investigations Office (GEPAN)
official Dr. Jacques Vallee, former Defense Secretary Melvin
Laird, (who authored a letter to Clinton's incoming Defense
Secretary Les Aspin offering to bring him up to speed on UFO
matters), etc.
Republican National Committee officers have contacted astronauts
Gordon Cooper and others to learn what they know about UFOs.
Apparently in the works is a Presidential Release from National
Security oath for astronaut Gordon Cooper to enable him to tell
what he knows about UFOs.
Jacques Vallee has offered to brief Dr. Gibbons on what President
Clinton doesn't have access to about UFOs. THERE goes the UFO
Cover-Up. Once President Clinton finds out who has been keeping
National Security information hidden from the President and
Commander-in-Chief, all hell's going to break out. Let us thank
the Higher Power that we have lived to see these days.
So, my friend, be so informed. And would you be so gracious as to
employ your demonstrated skills in spreading this information
onto all nets, Conferences, and Echos to which you have access? I
thank you, and so will those who come into possession of this
information.
- Rich Boylan
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From: 911662fe@udcf.gla.ac.uk (Neil Fernandez)
Subject: Roswell film showing in April
Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:36:36 GMT
Hi.
I just heard a UK radio programme where Ray Santilli said
his Roswell film will be shown at the end of this month.
He also said it (or a video, it wasn't clear) was being
examined by a Home Office pathologist.
UFO sightings have gone up a lot in the UK recently,
especially in Central Scotland and Yorkshire, England.
Neil
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Although this is not related to Roswell, it is another sign of many productions be done (in various formats - TV Shows, documentaries, movies,
etc ...) to unofficially educate the public. I think that 1995 will be
one year we do not forget ..... Illinois
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From The Hollywood Reporter, April 12, 1995
(courtesy of creepie@ix.netcom.com)...
CARRADINE FILM SIZES UP "AREA"
by Kirk Honeycutt
A Japanese-financed, independent film will fictionally examine a
real-life mystery that now exists in the Nevada desert. "Area
51," written by Mike Gray -- Oscar nominated for co-writing a
similar muckraking feature, "The China Syndrome" -- and directed
by actor Robert Carradine, is slated to start production in June
in Rachel, Nev.
The science-fiction thriller will focus on a government facility
in Nevada known to UFO groupies as Area 51 or Groom Lake. Until
recently, the Air Force denied the very existence of the site.
Thanks to considerable media attention, hundreds of people in
recent weeks have converged on the perimeter of the site, located
90 miles northwest of Las Vegas on Nellis Air Force Base. There,
they are convinced, the Air Force is reproducing a captured flying
saucer.
Last weekend, CNN aired a story on the mysterious Area 51.
International Mondo Entertainment, a subsidiary of Mondo Corp., a
major real estate and development company headquartered in Tokyo,
will finance and Naofumi Okamoto, president of Apricot
Entertainment, will produce the film.
Okamoto said the film's budget will be somewhere between $5
million and $8 million "depending on the special effects."
The story concerns a female TV news producer trying to get to the
bottom of the mysterious site.
Carradine, who makes his feature directing debut with this film,
describes "Area 51" as a "detective story with a documentary sense
of reality."
Okamoto said he and Carradine mutually came up with the idea for
the film after seeing a half-hour documentary on Fox and reading
stories about the site in several publications, including the New
York Times and Popular Science.
Newsweek then reported in its Feb. 20 issue that five former and
current government employees and the widow of a sixth have filed a
lawsuit charging they were exposed to burning toxic wastes at the
secret Air Force facility.
The widow, Helen Frost, has charged that poisonous fumes from
plastics and chemicals thrown into open pits and doused with jet
fuel contributed to her husband's death in 1989.
However, the workers' attorney has been stymied by the
government's refusal to reveal the name of so-called "operating
location" on the base. Without an officially recognized name, the
suit cannot proceed.
What is known about the site is that it has been used as a testing
ground for the U-2 spy plane and the F-117A Stealth.
Okamoto, who has headed Apricot Entertainment since its inception
in 1989, said the company previously produced a film called
"Illusion," which starred Emma Samms, Heather Locklear and
Carradine.
The investment by International Mondo marks the company's first
foray in the movie business, Okamoto said. International Mondo's
Fuminori Hayashid will serve as the film's executive producer.
=================
Writing a female TV producer into the script solves the most
awkward problem of any Area 51 movie: How to insert the requisite
babe-ola into a male-dominated environment. Writer Mike Gray took
a hint from the Desert Rat [#10] in that the babe is the smart
producer, while the on-air reporter is your typical blow dried
meat puppet.
We also understand that a Campbell-like character may appear in
the film, giving advice to the male lead (Carradine) on how he
might penetrate the secret base to rescue the heroine. This
quirky desert character, the actor for whom has not yet been
selected, lives in a mobile home in a nowhere town not unlike
Rachel. No word yet as to whether he is feuding with the
propriators of the local bar.
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From: clark63@matrix.newpaltz.edu (david clark)
Subject: MUFON COMMENT ON FILM
Date: 19 Apr 1995 00:31:11 GMT
I spoke today with Walter Andrus, International Director of the Mutual
UFO Network, who said that MUFON is aware of the Ray Santilli film.
Mr. Andrus said that the film, which allegedly was taken during the
1940's and shows UFO crash wreckage and an autopsy of an alien being,
still has yet to be authenticated but that the Kodak Corporation has
analyzed the film as being 1940's vintage. Mr. Andrus could not say
whether or not the film is allegedly of the infamous Roswell crash or
of some other UFO crash. He added that he will be attending the
August UFO Conference in England where the film will supposedly be
shown. He maintains that MUFON is interested only in facts and will
wait until the film is either authenticated or declared a hoax.
I hope this answers some questions for now. Whether or not this is a
hoax,it sure is getting rather interesting. It seems as thought the
film is real, but whether or not it is authentic is the question. I
hope it doesn't turn out to be another MJ-12 thing.
Dave
This message I received through the snet mailing list on Internet, conducted by Glenda Stocks. It discusses a delay related to the press conference to be held by Santilli to show the Roswell Film.
Subject: Roswell Update
>From snet@world.std.com Mon 01 May 95 14:33:03
Xref: world alt.paranet.ufo:24874
From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield)
Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
Subject: Roswell Film
Date: 1 May 95 02:14:00 GMT
An Adelaide, South Australian, colleague of mine is going to the
August BUFORA Conference at which the Rosewell autopsy film is
scheduled to be shown. Tonight she telephoned Philip Mantle, BUFORA's
Director of Investigations, to ask when the much advertised media
conference was to be held. She was advised that the media event is to
be on Friday 5th May 1995. Posted for your information.
--
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INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG
===============================================
>From snet@world.std.com Mon 01 May 95 14:34:32
Xref: world alt.paranet.ufo:24838
From: joachim.koch@wad.fido.de (Joachim Koch)
Date: 30 Apr 95 22:31:00
Newsgroups: alt.paranet.ufo
Subject: URGENT! NEWS ABOUT ROSWELL
From: koch@wad.fido.de
Subject: The Roswell Incident 1947
## Nachricht vom 28.04.95 weitergeleitet
## Ursprung : /FIDO/UFO
## Ersteller: Joachim Koch@2:2410/704.20
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*****************************************************************
*Announcement*
*of the*
*International Roswell Initiative*
******************************************************************
*Mr Santilli has postponed his invitation-only meeting of potential
buyers of the (copies of the) footage to May 6th.* It is said that
during this meeting parts or the whole rest of the so far unknown
missing (film/video?)material should be presented.
It was hoped to provide you with new details here around April 29th or
30st. This cannot happen now before May 7/8th. So watch out for mails
with the subject: "URGENT! NEWS ABOUT ROSWELL".
We would like to remind you again *to stay extremely cautious* with
regards to this footage. As long as nothing is proven to be genuine it
might be another attempt by "someone" to establish another "MJ12-like
hoax".
After the Air Force Report of Fall 1994 was clearly identified as
another cover-up or to continue the old one "someone" might have
looked for another strategy. Maybe "someone" has thought what went
well one time may run the second time as well.
But this time we have, among many other individual or combined
efforts, The International Roswell Initiative and the Roswell
Declaration. This document is signed by many thousands of people from
all over ther world so far and day by day they become more. This time
people are aware of the danger of a major hoax and this is because it
will fail.
For those who have missed parts of the material about the Roswell
Declaration we shall post it here again on this bulletin board on
April 30st.
Joachim Koch Berlin, April 28th, 1995 Hans-Juergen Kyborg
______________________________________________________________________
The *International Roswell Initiative* was founded by *Kent Jeffrey*
(USA), *Joachim Koch* and *Hans-Juergen Kyborg* (both Berlin,
Germany) in 1994. It is officially greatly supported (among many
others) by MUFON, CUFOS and FUFOR and became one of the most
successful international grassroots efforts in Ufology. The central
document is the "Roswell Declaration" which was published together
with additional material in this bulletin board. If you have missed
parts of the material or the Declaration itself please contact Joachim
Koch via email. You my also look into the World Wide Web for:
http://erau.db.erau.edu/~elston/petition.html and sign the
declaration electronically.
Thanks!
Joachim Koch
IN: koch@wad.fido.de
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