Debian bug report logs - #1805, boring messages

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Subject: Bug#1805: man package problem
Reply-To: stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu (Stuart Marshall), debian-bugs@pixar.com
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Date: Sun, 5 Nov 95 17:40 PST
From: stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu (Stuart Marshall)
To: debian-bugs@pixar.com

Package: man
Version: 2.3.10
Revision: 2

When I type "man <command>" as a user from a directory that has
a man subdirectory that I don't have write permission on I get
the following error message:

man: can't create index cache /usr/doc/./man/index.db: Permission denied

The page is then displayed okay but I can't figure out why the
system wants to create the index file.

I am using a newly installed debian 0.93R6 with kernel 1.3.30.

Below is a transcript of several such man command sequences followed
by the environment and shell variables that were set, the status
from dpkg for man and the manpath.config file.

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Script started on Sun Nov  5 17:19:57 1995

oleta% cd ~
oleta% ls -ld . man
ls: man: No such file or directory
drwxrwxr-x  17 stuart   stuart       2048 Nov  5 17:14 ./
oleta% man man > /dev/null

oleta% cd /usr
oleta% ls -ld . man
drwxr-xr-x  15 root     root         1024 Nov  1 23:58 ./
drwxr-xr-x  11 root     root         1024 Nov  1 22:30 man/
oleta% man man > /dev/null
man: can't create index cache /usr/./man/index.db: Permission denied
Reformatting man(1), please wait...

oleta% cd /usr/doc
oleta% ls -ld . man
drwxr-xr-x  81 root     root         2048 Nov  5 17:03 ./
drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Nov  1 22:29 man/
oleta% man man > /dev/null
man: can't create index cache /usr/doc/./man/index.db: Permission denied

oleta% cd /etc
oleta% ls -ld . man
ls: man: No such file or directory
drwxr-xr-x  24 root     root         3072 Nov  4 12:34 ./
oleta% man man > /dev/null

oleta% setenv
TERM=xterm
HOME=/home/stuart
PATH=.:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games
SHELL=/usr/bin/tcsh
MAIL=/var/spool/mail/stuart
LOGNAME=stuart
HOSTTYPE=i486-linux
VENDOR=unknown
OSTYPE=linux
MACHTYPE=i386
SHLVL=2
PWD=/etc
USER=stuart
GROUP=stuart
HOST=oleta
PAGER=less -e
iraf=/iraf/iraf/

oleta% set
addsuffix
argv	()
cwd	/etc
dirstack	/etc
echo_style	both
edit
filec
gid	1000
group	stuart
history	100
home	/home/stuart
host	oleta
owd	/usr/doc
path	(. /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin /usr/bin/X11 /usr/games)
prompt	%m%
prompt2	%R?
prompt3	CORRECT>%R (y|n|e|a)?
savehist	100
shell	/usr/bin/tcsh
shlvl	2
status	0
tcsh	6.06.00
term	xterm
tty	ttypa
uid	1000
user	stuart
version	tcsh 6.06.00 (Cornell) 1995-05-13 (i386-unknown-linux) options 8b,nls,dl

oleta% dpkg --status man
Package: man
Status: install ok installed
Priority: important
Section: doc
Maintainer: Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
Version: 2.3.10
Revision: 2
Depends: groff
Description: Display the on-line manual.
 This packages provides the man command, this utility is the primary
 way of examining the on-line help files (manual pages). Other utilities
 provided include the whatis and apropos commands for searching the
 manual page database; the manpath utility for determining the manual
 page search path and the maintenance utilities mandb, catman and
 zsoelim. This packages uses the groff suit of programs to format and
 display the manual pages.

oleta% uname -a
Linux oleta 1.3.30 #1 Sat Nov 4 11:56:16 PST 1995 i486

oleta% cat /etc/manpath.config
# man_db.config
#
# This file is used by the man_db package to configure the man and cat paths.
# It is also used to provide a manpath for those without one by examining
# their PATH environment variable. For details see the manpath(5) man page.
#
# Lines beginning with `#' are comments and are ignored. Any combination of
# tabs or spaces may be used as `whitespace' separators.
#
# There are three mappings allowed in this file:
# --------------------------------------------------------
# MANDATORY_MANPATH			manpath_element
# MANPATH_MAP		path_element	manpath_element
# MANDB_MAP		global_manpath	[relative_catpath]
#---------------------------------------------------------
# every automatically generated MANPATH includes these fields
#
#MANDATORY_MANPATH 			/usr/src/pvm3/man
#
MANDATORY_MANPATH			/usr/man
MANDATORY_MANPATH			/usr/X11R5/man
MANDATORY_MANPATH			/usr/X11R6/man
MANDATORY_MANPATH			/usr/X11/man
MANDATORY_MANPATH			/usr/X386/man
MANDATORY_MANPATH			/usr/local/man
#---------------------------------------------------------
# set up PATH to MANPATH mapping
# ie. what man tree holds man pages for what binary directory.
#
#		*PATH*        ->	*MANPATH*
#
MANPATH_MAP	/bin			/usr/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/bin		/usr/man
MANPATH_MAP	/sbin			/usr/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/sbin		/usr/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/local/bin		/usr/local/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/local/sbin		/usr/local/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/bin/X11		/usr/X386/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/X386/bin		/usr/X386/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/X11/bin		/usr/X386/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/X11R5/bin		/usr/X11R5/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/X11R6/bin		/usr/X11R6/man
MANPATH_MAP	/usr/games		/usr/man
#---------------------------------------------------------
# For a manpath element to be considered `global' it must be mentioned
# below. Each line may have an optional extra string indicating the catpath
# associated with the manpath. The keyword 'FSSTND' indicates that the
# default FSSTND catpath location should be used. If no catpath string is
# used, the catpath will default to the given manpath.
#
# You *must* provide all `global' man paths, including alternate system
# man paths and locale specific manpaths and combinations of both, if
# they exist, otherwise `user' permissions will be used to manipulate the
# manual pages. Also, utilities like mandb will not initialise the database
# cache for any manpaths not mentioned below.
#
# Any manpaths that are `contained' within other manpaths must be mentioned
# *before* the containing manpath. E.g. /usr/man/preformat must be listed
# before /usr/man.
#
#		*MANPATH*     ->	*CATPATH*
#
MANDB_MAP	/usr/man		/var/catman
MANDB_MAP	/usr/local/man		/var/catman/local
MANDB_MAP	/usr/X386/man		/var/catman/X386
MANDB_MAP	/usr/X11R5/man		/var/catman/X11R5
MANDB_MAP	/usr/X11R6/man		/var/catman/X11R6
MANDB_MAP	/usr/X11/man		/var/catman/X11

oleta% exit
exit

Script done on Sun Nov  5 17:35:15 1995

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From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
To: stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu (Stuart Marshall)
Subject: Bug#1805: Acknowledgement (was: man package problem)
In-Reply-To: <m0tCGYK-00004kC@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu>
References: <m0tCGYK-00004kC@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu>

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Subject: Bug#1805: man package problem
Reply-To: Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>, debian-bugs@pixar.com
Resent-From: Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
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Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 13:46:08 +0000
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From: Alvar Bray <alvar@meiko.co.uk>
To: stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu, debian-bugs@Pixar.com
In-Reply-To: <m0tCGYK-00004kC@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu>
	(stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu)

Hi Stuart,

Hmmm I dont know what why you are seing this problem. I have just
installed a pristine system here for a co-worker and I dont see the
same problem with his machine - the index.db file is created OK (in
the correct /var/catman dir). I dont have my sources here at work so I
will have to look some more when I get home. In the mean time if you
are still having this problem could you please strace the man
executable, gzip and uuecode the output, and mail it to me so I can
see what is happening.

eg% strace -f -o /tmp/strace /usr/bin/man foo

Does you man executable have the following permissions?

alvar@omega: ls -l /usr/bin/man
-rwsr-xr-x   1 man      root        65540 Sep 20 19:54 /usr/bin/man

Has your machine always had this problem?

Does man work OK for the superuser (root)?

Has anyone else seen this problem?

You may like to deinstall --purge the man package and reinstall it
again and see it the problem goes away.

alvar

--
Alvar Bray

Meiko Limited        Phone:    +44 1454 616171
650 Aztec West       Fax:      +44 1454 618188
Bristol BS12 4SD     E-Mail:   alvar@meiko.co.uk
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Subject: Bug#1805: Info received (was Bug#1805: man package problem)
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From: stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu (Stuart Marshall)
To: alvar@meiko.co.uk, debian-bugs@Pixar.com, stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu

Hi Alvar,

Thanks for the thoughtful response. I checked the /usr/bin/man
permissions and they are correct.  I ran strace as myself and
as root and the gzipped uuencoded results are concatenated below.
I am currently running a completely fresh debian system.  I
reinstalled from scratch because I rearranged my disk partitions
but I think I recall seeing this problem on my old system.

I think strace uncovered the root of the problem (maybe a feature!).
As I said before the problem occurs when I have a ./man subdirectory
that I don't have write permission on.  If no ./man directory exists
there is no problem.  I am using tcsh and my path starts with "." .
Note, the default debian tcsh path has "." at the end. The manpage
for manpath says it uses the info in /etc/manpath.config, the environment
and my path also.  Here is a quick command sequence that makes this
obvious:

  oleta% cd /usr/doc
  oleta% ls -ld . ./man
  drwxr-xr-x  81 root     root         2048 Nov  5 17:03 ./
  drwxr-xr-x   2 root     root         1024 Nov  1 22:29 ./man/
  oleta% man manpath > /dev/null
  man: can't create index cache /usr/doc/./man/index.db: Permission denied
  oleta% manpath
  manpath: warning: /usr/X386/man: No such file or directory
  manpath: warning: /usr/X11R5/man: No such file or directory
  manpath: warning: /usr/X11/man: No such file or directory
  manpath: warning: /usr/X386/man: No such file or directory
  ./man:/usr/local/man:/usr/man:/usr/X11R6/man

So the manpath is including ./man which is something of a surprise to me.
So what should happen when a ./man subdir exists that is not accessible
or is not a real man page directory as is the case for /usr/doc/man?

Sorry about the long lines in my message.

thanks,
Stuart

------------------- concatenated stuff ------------------------

Here is the typescript of commands used to run strace first as myself
and then as root: (after editing to remove control characters)

Script started on Mon Nov  6 11:49:57 1995
oleta% unalias cd
oleta% cd /usr/doc
oleta% strace -f -o /tmp/strace0 /usr/bin/man man > /dev/null
man: can't create index cache /usr/doc/./man/index.db: Permission denied
Process 12486 attached
Process 12485 suspended
Process 12487 attached
Process 12488 attached
Process 12486 suspended
Process 12489 attached
Process 12488 suspended
Process 12486 resumed
Process 12487 detached
Process 12488 resumed
Process 12489 detached
Process 12488 detached
Process 12485 resumed
Process 12486 detached
oleta% su
Password:
bash# cd /usr/doc
bash# strace -f -o /tmp/strace1 /usr/bin/man man > /dev/null
Process 12493 attached
Process 12492 suspended
Process 12496 attached
Process 12497 attached
Process 12493 suspended
Process 12498 attached
Process 12497 suspended
Process 12493 resumed
Process 12496 detached
Process 12493 suspended
Process 12497 resumed
Process 12498 detached
Process 12493 resumed
Process 12497 detached
Process 12492 resumed
Process 12493 detached
bash# exit
exit
oleta% ls -l /usr/bin/man
-rwsr-xr-x   1 man      root        65540 Sep 20 11:54 /usr/bin/man*
oleta% exit
exit

Script done on Mon Nov  6 11:51:43 1995

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From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
To: stuart@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu (Stuart Marshall)
Subject: Bug#1805: Info received (was Bug#1805: man package problem)
In-Reply-To: <m0tCYKY-000053C@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu>
References: <m0tCYKY-000053C@oleta.physics.ucsb.edu>

Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this problem report.  It has been forwarded to the developers to
accompany the original report.

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