Debian bug report logs - #1802, boring messages

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package: source
version: 1.2.13-4

I ran into a debian user a while ago, and he asked me what the
Debian directory was doing in the kernel sources.  I'd never noticed
it and had to say I didn't know.

I see now that /usr/src/linux/Debian contains kernel-headers,
kernel-image, and kernel-source subdirs, each with what look
like debian packaging files related respectively to include,
image, and source packages.

It seems as if these should be in the source*.tar.gz package, but not
in the unpackaed source*.deb package.

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Date: Sun, 05 Nov 1995 16:30:28 -0800
From: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>

It's a feature! The /usr/src/linux directory can re-build all of the
Debian kernel packages ("image", "includes", and "source") using itself
as the source. The Debian sub-directory and the debian.rules file are
necessary for this functionality. I felt this was the most elegant
solution to the problem of maintaining the kernel packages. The additional
files take up little space.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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("What's the "debian" stuff in the /usr/src/linux directory?",
I was asked...)

On Sun, 5 Nov 1995, Bruce Perens wrote:

> It's a feature! The /usr/src/linux directory can re-build all of the
> Debian kernel packages ("image", "includes", and "source") using itself
> as the source. The Debian sub-directory and the debian.rules file are
> necessary for this functionality. I felt this was the most elegant
> solution to the problem of maintaining the kernel packages. The additional
> files take up little space.

It may be a feature, but it's an unexpected and confusing one.

Debian users installing .deb packages aren't clued in to what
debian.whatever files are for.  They don't know what to make
of them.

I'd expect debian source packages to build debian binary packages.
Debian binary packages which are set up to rebuild themselves and
to also build other related debian binary packages are a suprose.

A kernel.tar.gz source package which produces image.deb, includes.deb,
and source.deb without placing unexpected (spurious, that is)
debian.whatever files /usr/src/linux when source.deb is installed
would be better, IMHO.  If elegance has to be sacrificed to do this,
I'd say we're better off with a less elegant solution which produces
less confusion.

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> It may be a feature, but it's an unexpected and confusing one.

OK. I'll put a README file in the Debian directory and in /usr/src/linux.
I expect some small degree of sophistication of anyone who uses the source
package and the boot-floppies package (which also builds itself).

This is a decision I made to make it easier for me (as well as others) to
maintain the packages. I am very reluctant to make my job more difficult
right now in order to appease a small quibble about esthetics concerning
a package that is not for the naive user. Ask me again when we have more
help.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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