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Subject: Bug#1646: ldso (or dpkg) "bug"
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Package: ldso
Version: 1.7.8
Revision: 2

If one installs ldso as part of a large [U]pdate, one will see many
many many errors about incorrect version number.  While the postinst
warns about this, the user won't see this until the postinst is run,
which may mean the user will see thousands of these error messages
while dpkg works on other packages.  This will probably worry new
users.  Is there a solution to this problem?  The only one I could
think of is a special flag that tells dpkg to run the postinst
immediately.


Jim

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Subject: Bug#1646: ldso (or dpkg) "bug"
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jimr@simons-rock.edu said:
> Package: ldso Version: 1.7.8 Revision: 2

> If one installs ldso as part of a large [U]pdate, one will see many
> many many errors about incorrect version number.  While the postinst
> warns about this, the user won't see this until the postinst is run,
> which may mean the user will see thousands of these error messages
> while dpkg works on other packages.  This will probably worry new
> users.  Is there a solution to this problem?  The only one I could
> think of is a special flag that tells dpkg to run the postinst
> immediately.

The package should install ld.so as ld.so-new (and so on,
probably for a number of files), and then the
postinst should move it into the correct place and immediately configure
it.

	Bruce

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Subject: Bug#1646: ldso (or dpkg) "bug"
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> > If one installs ldso as part of a large [U]pdate, one will see many
> > many many errors about incorrect version number.  While the postinst
> > warns about this, the user won't see this until the postinst is run,
> > which may mean the user will see thousands of these error messages
> > while dpkg works on other packages.  This will probably worry new
> > users.  Is there a solution to this problem?  The only one I could
> > think of is a special flag that tells dpkg to run the postinst
> > immediately.
>
> The package should install ld.so as ld.so-new (and so on,
> probably for a number of files), and then the
> postinst should move it into the correct place and immediately configure
> it.

I already do this.  What might be happening is that another package's
script is running ldconfig before the new ld.so is moved into place.
If this is the case, about the only thing I can do is to treat
ldconfig similarly so other scripts will continue to use the old
version until ld.so is ready.

David
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Bruce Perens writes ("Bug#1646: ldso (or dpkg) "bug""):
> jimr@simons-rock.edu said:
> > If one installs ldso as part of a large [U]pdate, one will see many
> > many many errors about incorrect version number.  While the postinst
> > warns about this, the user won't see this until the postinst is run,
> > which may mean the user will see thousands of these error messages
> > while dpkg works on other packages.  This will probably worry new
> > users.  Is there a solution to this problem?  The only one I could
> > think of is a special flag that tells dpkg to run the postinst
> > immediately.
>
> The package should install ld.so as ld.so-new (and so on,
> probably for a number of files), and then the
> postinst should move it into the correct place and immediately configure
> it.

Yes, I think this is the right solution.  Don't forget to make the
postinst idempotent.

dpkg will not mind ld.so-new's absence when it next processes the
package.

Ian.

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> I already do this.  What might be happening is that another package's
> script is running ldconfig before the new ld.so is moved into place.
> If this is the case, about the only thing I can do is to treat
> ldconfig similarly so other scripts will continue to use the old
> version until ld.so is ready.

This is happening during the unpack phase of [U]pdate, before any
other packages run postinst scripts.


Jim

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David Engel writes ("Bug#1646: ldso (or dpkg) "bug""):
> [ Someone wrote: ]
> > The package should install ld.so as ld.so-new (and so on,
> > probably for a number of files), and then the
> > postinst should move it into the correct place and immediately configure
> > it.
>
> I already do this.  What might be happening is that another package's
> script is running ldconfig before the new ld.so is moved into place.
> If this is the case, about the only thing I can do is to treat
> ldconfig similarly so other scripts will continue to use the old
> version until ld.so is ready.

Many packages will run ldconfig in their prerm and postinst scripts.

Perhaps those packages should be changed not to run ldconfig in the
prerm if $1 is "upgrade" and to declare a dependency on ld.so so that
their postinst scripts get un after ld.so's ?

Ian.

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> > I already do this.  What might be happening is that another package's
> > script is running ldconfig before the new ld.so is moved into place.
> > If this is the case, about the only thing I can do is to treat
> > ldconfig similarly so other scripts will continue to use the old
> > version until ld.so is ready.
>
> This is happening during the unpack phase of [U]pdate, before any
> other packages run postinst scripts.

Hmm, I tried a couple of things last night to reproduce this but
couldn't get it to happen.  What version of ld.so were you upgrading
from?  I vaguely remember something like this happening around the
change from 1.5.8 to 1.6.x when I took over Debian maintenance from
Ian M. and redid the install scripts.

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   of "Fri, 13 Oct 1995 14:03:01 CDT." <9510131903.AA02303@dan.ods.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 16:11:26 -0400
From: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>


> Hmm, I tried a couple of things last night to reproduce this but
> couldn't get it to happen.  What version of ld.so were you upgrading
> from?  I vaguely remember something like this happening around the
> change from 1.5.8 to 1.6.x when I took over Debian maintenance from
> Ian M. and redid the install scripts.

It was 1.5.2, so that might have been the reason.  Well this happen if
somebody goes from 1.7.x to 1.8.x?  If so, we still have a problem --
people will be confused by the many errors given before dpkg runs the
ldso postinst.


Jim

From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: Bug#1646: Info received (was Bug#1646: ldso (or dpkg) "bug")
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From: "James A. Robinson" <jimr@simons-rock.edu>


Package: ldso
Version: 1.7.8
Revision: 2

If one installs ldso as part of a large [U]pdate, one will see many
many many errors about incorrect version number.  While the postinst
warns about this, the user won't see this until the postinst is run,
which may mean the user will see thousands of these error messages
while dpkg works on other packages.  This will probably worry new
users.  Is there a solution to this problem?  The only one I could
think of is a special flag that tells dpkg to run the postinst
immediately.


Jim

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