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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz
Version: 0.93R6 (October 2)

If I choose "expert mode" and shell out, "ls" is not found.  I think
"ls" should be on the root disk.

--Mike

From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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From: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>

There's no room. No kidding. If Ian adds /root/bin, etc. to the shell path,
it will use the versions that you install from the base floppies, but you'll
have to install them first.

For the next release, I'll have a "tiny" installation tool set that includes
its own "ls".

	Bruce

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From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>
Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?)
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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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You said:

> For the next release, I'll have a "tiny" installation tool set that includes
> its own "ls".

I've been holding off mentioning it during the release crunch,
but there's a tiny grep-alike from the ae author.

I've taken a quick look, and it looks like it has the
potential to be usable, but it'd need work in the user
area (output format and exit status).

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To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell)
Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?)
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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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In-Reply-To: <m0szrEJ-000Gl5C@mongo.pixar.com> (message from Bruce Perens on
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On Mon, 02 Oct 1995 13:12:51 -0700, Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com> said:

> There's no room. No kidding. If Ian adds /root/bin, etc. to the
> shell path, it will use the versions that you install from the base
> floppies, but you'll have to install them first.

Wow!  That severely diminishes the usefulness of the "0 Shell"
feature.  Any filesystem operations will have to be done "blind".
Scares me.

> For the next release, I'll have a "tiny" installation tool set that
> includes its own "ls".

Sounds good.

--Mike

From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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 "Michael E. Deisher" <deisher@enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU> said, re missing ls:

> Wow!  That severely diminishes the usefulness of the "0 Shell"
> feature.  Any filesystem operations will have to be done "blind".
> Scares me.

I use echo as a rough workaround for a missing ls.

"echo *, "echo /bin/*", etc.

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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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From: CD Rasmussen <cdr@sme.siemens.com>

Bruce, would KISS the tiny shell with common commands builtin be
useful to you?  Its used in the SAR, search-n-rescue, boot disk.
I added code to it to handle df so I got to know it pretty well.
It uses the readline lib for command line edit and replay.
This think could save a bunch a space.  That's why it was created.

Want more info or are you all set?

Costa

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Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?
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From: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>

I tried KISS a while back. It's a step in the right direction, but doesn't
have all of the programs I wanted, and wasn't as robust as I'd like it to be.
I then wrote something with the tiny utilities like KISS, but no shell.
It's intended to be linked into another small shell like "ash". I think
Ian has replaced "bash" on the root disk with "ash", because it was
Bourne-shell compatible and much smaller than "bash". The shell in KISS is
not useful for interpreting our scripts. All of these utilities
are supposed to run in a fork(), not in the main thread, for robustness.
These are the tools I have so far:

	cat chgrp chmod chown clear cp df false halt init ln mkdir
	mkswap more mount mv pwd reboot rm rmdir sleep swapoff swapon
	sync touch tput true umount update

I would like to add my own "tiny" versions of "ls", and "tar", and link
in the existing "gzip", "dialog", "badblocks", and the new fdisk rewrite.
I have the tar extractor function I wrote for "dpkg", and can easily make
a tar writer. To add "gzip", "dialog", "badblocks", and "fdisk", I will
modify the source packages for these programs so that they will create
library versions of themselves.

This should give us a reasonably small static-linked environment. It should
fit on the boot floppy along with the kernel and modules.

	Thanks

	Bruce

From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
To: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>
Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?)
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Subject: root disk missing ls?

Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz
Version: 0.93R6 (October 2)

If I choose "expert mode" and shell out, "ls" is not found.  I think
"ls" should be on the root disk.

--Mike

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To: Michael E. Deisher <deisher@enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU>
Subject: Bug#1525 acknowledged by developer (was: root disk missing ls?)
References: <m0t356a-0001eSC@imagine.imaginit.com> <9510021554.AA12608@ganges>
In-Reply-To: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges>

This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report.

Responsibility for it has been taken by one of the developers, namely
imurdock@debian.org (Ian Murdock).

You should be hearing from them with a substantive response shortly, if
you have not already done so.  If not, please contact them directly,
or email debian-bugs@pixar.com or myself.

Ian Jackson
(maintainer, debian-bugs)