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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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Package: miscutils

I can't find the setterm program (distributed as part of util-linux)
anywhere in the distribution (the output from "grep setterm Contents"
is empty, and this program is not on my freshly installed, fairly
complete Debian system at home).

It is not currently part of any package, but I think it might be part
of the "miscutils" package (or some other package - the decision is not
up to me).  This is the program used to set various terminal attributes,
including some specific to Linux console, like screen blanking timeout.
Not an essential package, but a sometimes useful one.

If there a program which is part of the distribution and does the same
thing but has a different name, please ignore this report (I am new to
Debian - previously using Slackware for over a year now, but it has
become too messy and difficult to upgrade, so I installed Debian just
for fun after I got a new hard drive).

Marek

From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson)
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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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From: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>

I think there was a copyright problem with "setterm" that caused us to
remove it from the distribution a long time ago. If I recall correctly,
it didn't allow distribution for a fee, which is of course essential to
our CD-ROM redistributors.

Several of the programs in util-linux had ambiguous or pernicious copyright
status at that time.

	Thanks

	Bruce

marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl said:
> Package: miscutils

> I can't find the setterm program (distributed as part of util-linux)
> anywhere in the distribution (the output from "grep setterm Contents"
> is empty, and this program is not on my freshly installed, fairly
> complete Debian system at home).

> It is not currently part of any package, but I think it might be part
> of the "miscutils" package (or some other package - the decision is
> not up to me).  This is the program used to set various terminal
> attributes, including some specific to Linux console, like screen
> blanking timeout. Not an essential package, but a sometimes useful
> one.

> If there a program which is part of the distribution and does the
> same thing but has a different name, please ignore this report (I am
> new to Debian - previously using Slackware for over a year now, but
> it has become too messy and difficult to upgrade, so I installed
> Debian just for fun after I got a new hard drive).

> Marek

>

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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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I wish we had setterm.  I noticed it was missing and thought I must be
ignorant about how to do without it.

What's the drill here?  Do we need to lobby the author, write a clone?

Costa

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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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cdr@sme.siemens.com said:
> What's the drill here?  Do we need to lobby the author, write a clone?

First, research the current copyright status and confirm it with the author.
Then, if you have to, lobby the author. Only if that fails, write something
better and GPL it.

	Bruce

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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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Costa D Rasmussen:
   I wish we had setterm.  I noticed it was missing and thought I must
   be ignorant about how to do without it.

   What's the drill here?  Do we need to lobby the author, write a clone?

setterm was written by Ted Ts'o.  He thought it was such a trivial
program that it didn't need a copyright.

As of today, he knows that the lack of a copyright is a distribution
problem.  I don't know for sure, but I think he plans on releasing it
with a redistributable copyright.

--
Raul

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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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Bruce Perens:
> I think there was a copyright problem with "setterm" that caused us to
> remove it from the distribution a long time ago. If I recall correctly,
> it didn't allow distribution for a fee, which is of course essential to
> our CD-ROM redistributors.

Hmm, setterm is distributed on countless Slackware CD-ROMs at least...
Aren't we too paranoid about copyrights?

Now that I have read the source, it says that the "conditions of use,
modification and redistribution are contained in the file COPYRIGHT that
forms part of this distribution" but I can't find this file anywhere.

Has anyone tried to contact the author (Gordon Irlam gordoni@cs.ua.oz.au)
about this?  From a quick test using EXPN it seems that his e-mail address
is probably still valid even though setterm was written in 1990...

Marek

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Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing
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From: Bruce Perens <bruce@Pixar.com>

Hm. There seems to be some confusion about who the author is.

Unfortunately, we can't be _too_ careful about copyrights. For the
CD-ROM distributiors, there is a significant risk of getting sued (and
losing the lawsuit) if we haven't verified that we have the right to
distribute these programs. The publicity would not be pretty. As a
fledgeling CD-ROM distributor myself, I have an incentive to get this
stuff right. I can't presently afford to get sued.

As to the program existing in Slackware, etc., for countless distributions,
perhaps they got individual permission from the author, or perhaps they
overlooked the problem or they don't care. We choose to operate differently.

I do know that there are some very sloppy CD-ROM manufacturers out there.
I'm not saying who they are. They are definitely selling things that they
have no legal right to sell.

	Thanks

	Bruce

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In-Reply-To: <m0syj4X-000EyVC@mongo.pixar.com> (message from Bruce Perens on Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:18:05 -0700)

For what it's worth:

I've been pretty strung out lately (illness, deadlines, lack of
sleep).  Please take anything I mailed out yesterday with at least a
grain of salt.  [Not that you shouldn't in any event, but especially
for Sep 28 95].

Sorry about that.

--
Raul

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Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this problem report.  It has been forwarded to the developers to
accompany the original report.

If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem,
please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring
that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1505" or "Re: Bug#1505" so that
we can identify it as relating to the same problem.

Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message,
unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system.

Ian Jackson
(maintainer, debian-bugs)