Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 00:19 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** Allexzander responding to Gerardus)
>I understand what you mean by growing up on your own, but I'm afraid
>that any Culture would stagnate in the end.....
I agree, but this stagnation point is far in the future of any
society, and I think that almost all would eventually reach a
spacefaring level at one point or another. It is at this point that I
would recommend integration into the Galactic Family. I simply feel
that the introduction of advanced cultures in the early devolopment of
a culture is detrimental to that culture's ultimate unique identity, I
think that it waters it down, so to speak.
>All my life I have been a bit of a loner and I find that the
>relationships I have with interesting strangers, and maybe old
>friends in the future, enriches my life. I could not think of life
>without 'Allexzanders' for example, please stick around for I like
>and respect your viewpoints. Greetings and as always...
Well, thank you. And likewise, I do respect yours as well!
Allexzander
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 00:19 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - More Comments on Gerardus statements from Allexzander)
>G: My plans are to be were I can be if use to others, I have no idea
>where this will lead me. Life, or the fulfillment of Self, is the
>enjoyment or joy of the moment, wherever that may be. There is only
>one Place - the Place of the Heart. It's Love expressing itself!
Good answer!
>G: I have a bit of trouble understanding what you mean by previous
>host and its home. What do you mean by this? We are were our
>Consciousness is. Personally I do not think that there better places
>somewhere else unless we have learned to enjoy the one we are in and
>know it for what it is. A lesson to transcend joyfully. A place or
>body to live in for a while and get a grip on things mentally and
>spiritually. Also, about journeys into 3rd density - I do not think
>there is a first and a last time for anything. What are you going to
>do the rest of infinity? Growing and eventually Master Awarenesses
>cast their Self-Images all over the Universe including 3D
> all simultaneously!
Bear with me here, and I will try to explain this. Some people have
described similar experiences on this list, so I know they will
understand what I mean here, but just in case I will fully describe
it. I am currently living two simultaneous incarnations (that I am
aware of). I can consciously switch between these two incarnations on
a limited basis. One of them, is of course Marcus Reinart, who is
speaking to you now. The other is Allexzander Kevas, a being on one
of the ships currently orbiting this planet. For the most part I am
only aware of my life here on Earth, but I do have the memories of my
past, as well as brief excursions on the ship. Probably the most
confusing to explain is when I actually use this body to channel, and
the being I channel is myself...very disorienting experience to go
through...
I am not aware of all the little details of how this works, but I am
told by what I call my "doctor" on the ship, that once the human host
dies, my consciousness will fully transfer back to my Rigelian host.
The dual incarnation will cease to be, and I will be back to being
just a Rigelian again. Because of this situation, this is what I mean
by returning home. The fact that I am currently incarnated here is
(supposed to be) temporary. My experiences are not complete in my
Rigelian host, it has not finished all it has to do in its timeline,
so I cannot simply go and do whatever suits my fancy as I perceive it
here. That host has learned a great deal vicariously through this
Earth based one, but there are many things it still needs to learn, of
which cannot be learned here.
Though a complete life here may not seem temporary, we all know in the
bigger scheme of things such a small number of years is indeed
temporary. My Rigelian body will far outlast a human one, as it, in a
physical sense, is much more advanced. Death in that body is chosen,
not determined by the breakdown of cellular tissues.
I hope this explains some of my emotions and the feelings I express.
These are not necessarily (and in fact not even often) those of
spirit, but rather my Rigelian host. It, too, has yet to learn the
eternal lesson of patience . It does have a great deal of
passion though, and that passion is translated into the words you
read here.
Allexzander
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:34:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "C. B. Willis"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - C.B. answering Marcus last post)
> I am currently living two simultaneous incarnations (that I am
> aware of). I can consciously switch between these two incarnations
> on a limited basis. One of them, is of course Marcus Reinart, who
> is speaking to you now. The other is Allexzander Kevas, a being on
> one of the ships currently orbiting this planet. ...
I have also had experiences of parallel lifetimes.
I have memory of "one spirit / one body" all the way up to the end of
the 1900's, when I have two sets of memories for a few years.
In this lifetime I wondered if I was doing the same thing again, split
between here and Africa, but I concluded this time it was a soul
fragment and not actually myself as an individual. The soul fragment
idea comes from the Michael materials.
Sometimes confusing, but sure burns karma and gives opportunities for
service, and cross fertilization of ideas!
- CBW
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Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 10:14:35 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard Andersen"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
In message Sat, 25 Feb 95 00:19 MST,
Marcus Reinart writes:
>>I understand what you mean by growing up on your own, but I'm afraid
>>that any Culture would stagnate in the end. In my view the universe
>>is our relationship and the more visitors we have the more we
>>relate! The Source as Such is only worth anything to itself because
>>of its diversity and its relationships.
>
> I agree, but this stagnation point is far in the future of any
>society, and I think that almost all would eventually reach a
>spacefaring level at one point or another. It is at this point that
>I would recommend integration into the Galactic Family. I simply
>feel that the introduction of advanced cultures in the early
>devolopment of a culture is detrimental to that culture's ultimate
>unique identity, I think that it waters it down, so to speak.
I agree with you. Though, if an interference can save a culture from
going under, it might be acceptable. And there probably must have been
a first Culture that succeded on its own in this universe, somewhere
back in time. Perhaps several, independent of each other - when first
a thing has happened in on place in the universe, the probability for
it happening somewhere else gets bigger.
In the channeling from Archos he mentions nothing about interference. Okay,
channelings are channelings, but anyway.
I belong to the wide circle of people, who have joined what we call
"The Interplanetary Federation". It is a co-operation, which includes
all planets in this universe with physical life on them. I am now
residing in the spiritual dimensions, but else I belong to a planet,
which is beyond the Earth in state of evolution.
All physical inhabitable planets exists in a hierachic pattern in
their relation to each other. Some have just developed physical life,
others are in a evolutionary state, far beyond that of The Earth. On
all planets which develops a possibility for physical life, there will
develop beings of biological origin in a certain evolutionary pattern,
which is much like the one on Earth. Seen in the long perspective, the
planets this way are much alike. But within the different eras, there
may be many special forms of life, which is unique for each certain
planet. Human beings, in the sense of unique beings, which develop a
strong potential of intelligence and possibilities of divinitiation(?)
of soul and body, will develop on all these planets. We can be a
little different by structure and height etc., but on all planets the
human beings will develop through more coarse types, into more
delicate ones, as the divine energi more and more illuminates their
body and consciousness. (continued)
Peace - Rich
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:40:07 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** Rene responding to Allexzander Post)
>>When I've got conscious being here to 'serve' in spirit, it was
>>like, hmm, what I bring here, what for this all? Like a shy roe I
>>embodied myself on Earth, and more or less denied being here,
>>didn't wanted interfered at all, it was like glue in my hands, more
>>I touched, more glue I had on my hands ... as sinking into
>>quicksand ... what people say 'karma', I sunk into 3D illusion,
>>with all its side-effects :) I was handling and taking action,
>>primarly not very directed by spirit, much more overwhelmed by the
>>intensity of 3D ... I interfered, but I wasn't able to perceive
>>what I did, so I came again, and again, looking what kind of
>>interference I did before, to watch the "fruits" of my doing.
>
>Hmm, sounds familiar :)
>
>>I interfere (so I hope today), with the guidance of I AM as multi-
>>dimensional being, I bring a summary of remembrances from
>>existances I was on other planets (Sun, Jupiter, Saturn) and other
>>'places' and finally my deep 'home' of Pleiades, as I bring an
>>essence to Earth, my piece of light to enrich this wonderful place,
>>called Earth.
>
>I would like to hear more of your past on these planets. As I have
>mentioned, I am new to this system, and would like to learn as much
>as I can about it. My spirit remembers, but my host does not.
Host and spirit :) The remembrance jumped into my daily-
consciousness, when I was participating two years ago an activation
work, already 'finished' the work, we made a meditation on the sea
(Ireland) ... we connected with different spirits of different layers
of nature-realm, and also the sea ... it was not very familar to me,
and while we were standing in a circle and used to give each other the
hands (not very comfortable to relax totally) I left the body and was
flying to the Sun. I was there ... as feeling home, warmth, I felt
each flame purify my inner, I was bathing in the golden fire of the
sun ... I was feeling totally relaxed, balanced ... and saw arround me
fire-like entities, like flames ... they just watched me ... said,
welcome 'home' :) ... it was my home, is still my home, I was there on
Sun, before I was going to enter other astral-planes. There is nothing
such as a time-table or so, much more making a journey into different
densities, and each one has its own 'time' ... anyway, the meditation
was finished, and I was pulled back into my body ... and I felt how
the impressions were going away, leaving into my sub-consciousness,
but a friend asked me, "Hey Rene, do you went on the Sun?" That's was
like a trigger I could keep the impressions ... and I said yes, I was
... bathing ... in fire ... she 'saw' me leaving my body while the
meditation, and she meant, like I look like fire now, when I returned
in the body again.
Months later, I figured out, that it was an energy I was 'living'
before I came here on physical ... it was like 'tasting' different
energies, and Earth is very strong taste so to speak, even the glue on
my hands is something I felt often when I had astral-traveling to more
subtle realms ... as Saturn I see, as a doorway of this solar-system,
every incoming or leaving energies of this solar-system get controlled
there, and specially when I've got info about interdim-traveling
(RKMCorner), I knew how the doorways are opening and closing, and not
visible for the ones, who have energies who belong to certain planets
and their astral-planes. As you have to give up some energy-layers of
your being to pass, but that's on the other hand the inability to
remember, since the bodies keep in their auras all information of the
planes and doorways you passed. If you are full balanced, you pass
with lower bodies these doorways as well, and then you are able to
remember, or at least to feel. So far for me, I just remember before
entering, and the way being 'watched' before I pass. This all happens
on inner, not somewhere out-in-space ... it's happening in parts of
moments ... also being 'there' ... timeless ...
And so, somewhow I keep a connection into another time-frame, you may
say 'past' to Sun and Saturn and feel that I belong, also when me
(physical personality Rene) has his focus on Earth now, this present
time-frame (1995), and still moving linear forward ... until 3d-time
collapses, and I can access the other time-frames of more subtle
planes direct ... some describe it as Ascension.
>As I have mentioned, I am new to this system, and would like to
>learn as much as I can about it.
Hey, I'm new too :) so weird being here .... :) :) Two newbies found
themselves deep in conversation about interfering Earth ... HA HA HA
:) I'm new ... but as I spent several life-times here, so I'm not
totally new. :) It also depends, that some aspects changed while
living different personalities on this plane. I can't describe the
same procedure ie. As KenDon does, as changing several months, so far
the last major change was about three years ago.
I may also reply on the next post of you, Allexzander:
Gerardus:
>I have a bit of trouble understanding what you mean by previous host
>and its home. What do you mean by this?
Allexzander:
>Bear with me here, and I will try to explain this. Some people have
>described similar experiences on this list, so I know they will
>understand what I mean here, but just in case I will fully describe
>it....The other is Allexzander Kevas, a being on one of the ships
>currently orbiting this planet.....
May ask you, where this ship belongs to in the cosmic manner?
(I refere Interg. Confederation, and so)
More I'm talking with you, more I feel familar to you ... as I know
you there ... also when I look back the last exchanges with you, you
share a very similar point of view of the whole 'issue' we already
discussed, maybe except the interference aspect :) but the way you
express your view is very familar to me ... strange (something is
knocking in my inner) ...
Btw, I don't use my name here I use up-there (as you are doing with
Allexzander), because I felt that people started to connect me and
where looking for this presence, and I somehow had to prevent this ...
(longer story). Related experience: when I came across channelings I
(etherical) gave a light-group about 'Stargates', it was really
strange, because I didn't knew that my presence up-there is contacting
groups on 3D ... and finally I read my own words, from a channeler
interpreted ... it was really a concept-breaking experience, and I'm
still dealing with ...
>I am not aware of all the little details of how this works, but I am
>told by what I call my "doctor" on the ship, that once the human
>host dies, my consciousness will fully transfer back to my Rigelian
>host. The dual incarnation will cease to be, and I will be back to
>being just a Rigelian again......
Earlier I posted a short "excursion" I made, to up-there, just without
any preparation (ie. relaxing or meditation), and pulled myself out of
the physical personality, but I couldn't keep the remembrace when I
returned into body, it was like the impressions were not able to find
a place in my brain to remain, couldn't map the reality up-there into
my physical personality. Anyway, as said in this post, it was for me a
confirmation that there is not "trap" to be here, I do it at "will" to
be here, and I can go up anytime (as in this particular example while
eating) ... but I can't conceptualize it yet ... and I suppose lot of
starseeds here are feeling the same way?! Interesting, you shared your
view about being on the ship. I feel almost the same like you, just as
I feel like I'm projecting me into the body, and few months ago I've
got some small pieces about how the body has to change to keep another
aspect in this body. Hm, Allexzander great you share this as well, it
helps you share some of my own feelings too, thank's!
>Though a complete life here may not seem temporary, we all know in
>the bigger scheme of things such a small number of years is indeed
>temporary. My Rigelian body will far outlast a human one, as it, in
>a physical sense, is much more advanced. Death in that body is
>chosen, not determined by the breakdown of cellular tissues. I hope
>this explains some of my emotions and the feelings I express. These
>are not necessarily (and in fact not even often) those of spirit,
>but rather my Rigelian host.
As the spirit project into an (etheric) Rigelian body, and further
into a (physical) human body? As I perceive it, as my pleiadian-
personality is the "Identification Container", which allowed me to
visit this solar-system, and the local planets, and now finally this
density in a physical human-body.
>It, too, has yet to learn the eternal lesson of patience .
HA HA HA, indeed, that's the problem of lot of ETs which are
remembering, since some of us aren't well able to relate etheric-time
to earth-time, it's especially seen in different channelings the last
months. And here I maybe make a bridge to Nidle, his mission, (if you
allow me to use this term), is about to relate the time-frame of 3D
(physical) and 5D (etheric), and more people are directing their
consciousness into that, we may synchronize them ... at least lot of
people will realize some pieces of their presences in etheric, and
connect their Higher-Selfs, or Etheric-Double so to speak.
>It does have a great deal of passion though, and that
>passion is translated into the words you read here.
I thank you for your sharing, it's like more we talk, more I feel a
courage to share more from within myself ... because often I feel, I
should remain in silence, and wait for the right time (patience) ...
thank's you came across, Allexzander!
,
Rene
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 11:56 PST
From: David Meurin
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - David Answering Rene post)
>Host and spirit :) The remembrance jumped into my daily-
>consciousness, when I was participating two years ago an activation
>work, already 'finished' the work, we made a meditation on the sea
>(Ireland) ... we connected with different spirits of different layers
>of nature-realm, and also the sea ...
Dear Rene,
Thankyou for sharing this. Several years ago I had an
experience like this. I've never discussed it with anyone. While on
the sun I felt that there was no space between myself and the other
beings- the fire like entities. I was aware of our unity in a way that
goes beyond words like brotherhood, friendship, family. In all our
words of connection there is a sense of separation. Reading your
experience has helped me to understand and accept the reality of my
experience.
Since that journey, there have been other trips to other
places and growing awareness of past lives. I feel like I am becoming
who I am. The I is fading, growing into something larger but with
less mass. Life in the physical world is becoming like the crest of a
wave moving in the ocean. There are no lines to divide things with.
love, David
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 14:01 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Allexzander responding to Rene's post earlier 2 msgs up)
Rene,
>Months later, I figured out, that it was an energy I was 'living'
>before I came here on physical ... it was like 'tasting' different
>energies, and Earth is very strong taste so to speak, even the glue
>on my hands is something I felt often when I had astral-traveling to
>more subtle realms ...
Fascinating!
>And so, somewhow I keep a connection into another time-frame, you may
>say 'past' to Sun and Saturn and feel that I belong, also when me
>(physical personality Rene) has his focus on Earth now, this present
>time-frame (1995), and still moving linear forward ... until 3d-time
>collapses, and I can access the other time-frames of more subtle
>planes direct ... some describe it as Ascension.
Hmm, I am still absorbing some of this, but I expect to have some
questions soon.
>Hey, I'm new too :) so weird being here .... :) :) Two newbies
>found themselves deep in conversation about interfering Earth ... HA
>HA HA :) I'm new ... but as I spent several life-times here, so I'm
>not totally new. :) It also depends, that some aspects changed while
>living different personalities on this plane. I can't describe the
>same procedure ie. As KenDon does, as changing several months, so far
>the last major change was about three years ago.
Do you remember the lives you have experience here so far?
As far as time goes, this has been the single most difficult concept
to grasp ahold of. The reality I am used to does not subscribe to any
such concept of linear moving time. You are aware of passing events,
yes, but they are not so catagorized as they are here. The only way I
can really gauge things are by saying, yesterday or tomorrow. If
someone asks me when something happened (past) I say yesterday. Now
in the linear timeline that yesterday could be last week, or twenty
years ago. More often than not, which is which does not ever occur to
me, it was simply yesterday. My brain stores events, but does not
really do much as far as keeping them in some specific order.
NOW is really the only version of time I really understand.
>May ask you, where this ship belongs to in the cosmic manner?
>(I refere Interg. Confederation, and so)
Refer to my previous post for a little background. My people were
part of the Resistance back during the Orion Wars. After the end of
that, we decided to come together and establish ourselves as a race of
people, since as a result of the end of the war, we ascended into a
different type of species. This new species still occupies a host,
but it is very unlike most you have probably encountered. In any
case, as this new collection of people, we decided to call ourselves
the Directive. It represents various views our people try to reach
for, as our directive is reintegration into the source.
So as to answer your question, the ship belongs to the Directive.
However, I am here:
1. As a member of the Galactic Council.
2. In cooperation with Ashtar and the Pleiadian Ashtar Command.
3. As an observer for the fate of the underground complex beneath
Earth.
>More I'm talking with you, more I feel familar to you ... as I know
>you there ... also when I look back the last exchanges with you, you
>share a very similar point of view of the whole 'issue' we already
>discussed, maybe except the interference aspect :) but the way you
>express your view is very familar to me ... strange (something is
knocking in my inner) ...
Hmm, perhaps we have met in the Council Chambers? I know that you
have mentioned your heritage as being in part, Pleiadian. Did you
work with Ashtar? Have you represented anyone to the Council? I
would expect that we have met at some point in time, as you too, seem
familiar.
>Btw, I don't use my name here I use up-there (as you are doing with
>Allexzander), because I felt that people started to connect me and
>where looking for this presence, and I somehow had to prevent this
>... (longer story). Related experience: when I came across
>channelings I (etherical) gave a light-group about 'Stargates', it
>was really strange, because I didn't knew that my presence up-there
>is contacting groups on 3D ... and finally I read my own words, from
>a channeler interpreted ... it was really a concept-breaking
>experience, and I'm still dealing with ...
Yes, I understand exactly your concern. It is something I deal with
on a daily basis, who do I tell, and who do I not? I choose most
often to go ahead and let it be known, as it helps in being more open
with those I speak with. My name very much resonates my being, and it
makes people relate to me better if they can speak to me without the
presence of this 3D host. As a multi-dimensional being, I can respond
to queries from people who use the name.
Now this also leaves me very open for what you describe. However, I
do have people who constantly look over me, and I can trust them to
protect me. I have had three attacks on my 3D being from some type of
roaning energy being. Difficult to describe, each of these were
different, but all pretty much wanted the same thing, me forced out of
this host. Luckily in each case my people helped me, and saved me from
a horrible experience. They were set up before my incarnation, to
help, just in case.
>Earlier I posted a short "excursion" I made, to up-there, just
>without any preparation (ie. relaxing or meditation), and pulled
>myself out of the physical personality, but I couldn't keep the
>remembrace when I returned into body, it was like the impressions
>were not able to find a place in my brain to remain, couldn't map the
>reality up-there into my physical personality. Anyway, as said in
>this post, it was for me a confirmation that there is not "trap" to
>be here, I do it at "will" to be here, and I can go. Yes, I too
>choose this existance, and as hard as it may be sometimes, I know
>that was a choice, I did openly and willingly choose to be here.
>up anytime (as in this particular example while eating) ... but I
>can't conceptualize it yet ... and I suppose lot of starseeds here
>are feeling the same way?! Interesting, you shared your view about
>being on the ship. I feel almost the same like you, just as I feel
>like I'm projecting me into the body, and few months ago I've got
>some small pieces about how the body has to change to keep another
>aspect in this body. Hm, Allexzander great you share this as well, it
>helps you share some of my own feelings too, thank's!
Yes, it is difficult to put the two together, as life there is so much
differnt than here. When people ask me to describe certain events, I
often have a difficult time doing so, as there is nothing really to
relate with here on Earth. For instance, the time thing I mentioned
ealier, this makes sense to anyone who has experienced it, but try to
explain what living in NOW means to someone who is only aware of
linear movement. The phrase, "teaching...... (post fell off)
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them, and answer their question more directly.
>Anyway, I saw, that my name is somehow known, and I don't wanted that
>people expect lot of my physical personality, and felt like tearing
>on me, before I was ready ... I'm still don't feel ready yet ... and
>I'm still in process to prepare the physical personality ... to keep
>"it" fully.
I look forward to the day you find yourself ready!
>Finally the friend and me decided not to reveal our names to people,
>those who remember 5D will recognize us ... but it's not really a big
>deal or issue,just a way to prevent too high expectations ...
I understand.
>As Allexzander and Lori know me more clear, as I start to recognize
>you as well better, and maybe some of you all on the lightwork-l,
>feel drawn and nearness some of us who speak and write... remember,
>the way people speak and express themselves, is the way they have
>embodied themselves and channeling their own presence into, as
>Allexzander said ... we are primarly channeling ourSelves into this
>plane ... I feel very very glad I was able to share more on this ...
>I am deeply thankful to you all, who are on Lightwork-l, may you just
>reader or active writer ... You All Are In My Heart!
As we are thankful to hear it. Very nice words, thank you.
Allexzander
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 14:01 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Gerardus:
>I agree with you. Though, if an interference can save a culture from
>going under, it might be acceptable. And there probably must have
>been a first Culture that succeded on its own in this universe,
>somewhere back in time. Perhaps several, independent of each other -
>when first a thing has happened in on place in the universe, the
>probability for it happening somewhere else gets bigger.
Hmm, I still disagree on that one fine point! I guess we all do agree
on the same point, but each of us has different views on where the
limits arise on that point. Just memories I have of complete cultures
being lost to the Galactic Family. They lose their unique identity.
Yes, some planets don't make it, some cultures destroy themselves, or
some other galactic event such as star phenomenon destroy them. The
price, I feel is needed to ensure that there is no question on the
idea of interference. Yes, bio-lifeforms get lost, but those spirits
will simply move to some other objective. The real form of life is
never affected.
(Post from Richard Anderson:)
> I belong to the wide circle of people, who have joined what we call
>"The Interplanetary Federation". It is a co-operation, which includes
>all planets in this universe with physical life on them. I am now
>residing in the spiritual dimensions, but else I belong to a planet,
>which is beyond the Earth in state of evolution.
This must be another point where we have some other word for the same
thing. I am not sure what term I use that is equivalent for your
Interplanetary Federation. I am aware of the Pleiadian Federation,
the Sirian Councils, the Orion Empire, the Lyran Alliance, Arcturian,
the Reptoid something or other, and then some other smaller groups
such as mine. All of these have representatives to the Galactic
Council, including all smaller groups that do not align themselves to
one of the Federations (such as mine).
(Continuing from Richard's post):
> All physical inhabitable planets exists in a hierachic pattern in
>their relation to each other. Some have just developed physical life,
>others are in a evolutionary state, far beyond that of The Earth. On
>all planets which develops a possibility for physical life, there
>will develop beings of biological origin in a certain evolutionary
>pattern, which is much like the one on Earth. Seen in the long
>perspective, the planets this way are much alike. But within the
>different eras, there may be many special forms of life, which is
>unique for each certain planet. Human beings, in the sense of unique
>beings, which develop a strong potential of intelligence and
>possibilities of divinitiation(?) of soul and body, will develop on
>all these planets. We can be a little different by structure and
>height etc., but on all planets the human beings will develop through
>more coarse types, into more delicate ones, as the divine energi more
>and more illuminates their body and consciousness. (continued)
Rich, I am interested in hearing more from you on this topic. I
believe that the humanoid structure comes to use from the FOUNDERS. I
am interested, actually, if anyone else is aware of the concept of the
FOUNDERS.
Allexzander
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 14:01 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Allexzander answering C B Willis)
> I have also had experiences of parallel lifetimes. I have memory of
>"one spirit / one body" all the way up to the end of the 1900's, when
>I have two sets of memories for a few years. In this lifetime I
>wondered if I was doing the same thing again, split between here and
>Africa, but I concluded this time it was a soul fragment and not
>actually myself as an individual. The soul fragment idea comes from
>the Michael materials.
I am not real familiar with Lord Michael's channeled material, however
I do indeed trust anything from that source. I am aware of the soul
fragmentation concept, but don't know a great deal about it.
>Sometimes confusing, but sure burns karma and gives opportunities for
>service, and cross fertilization of ideas!
Yes, indeed. Nothing gets things cleared as fast as parallel
lifetimes! But I do find it confusing sometimes, as the barrier
between each deteroriates, I suddenly find myself in the middle of a
meeting that my other self on the ship is running. Or worse yet,
trying to talk to my toaster, "Computer, answer me!"
Allexzander
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 13:18:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "C. B. Willis"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - C B answering Allexzander's Post)
> I am not real familiar with Lord Michael's channeled material,
> however I do indeed trust anything from that source. I am aware of
> the soul fragmentation concept, but don't know a great deal about
> it.
This is the book MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL and MORE MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL
(I think) by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. Other material by Jose Stevens THE
MICHAEL HANDBOOK, TAO TO EARTH, EARTH TO TAO. Excellent! Though I
disagree that what they're calling essence (as role) is really essence
(which I would say transcends any kind of role at any level).
> >Sometimes confusing, but sure burns karma and gives opportunities
> >for service, and cross fertilization of ideas!
>
> Yes, indeed. Nothing gets things cleared as fast as
> parallel lifetimes! But I do find it confusing sometimes, as the
> barrier between each deteroriates, I suddenly find myself in the
> middle of a meeting that my other self on the ship is running. Or
> worse yet, trying to talk to my toaster, "Computer, answer me!"
In an age of flying toasters, anything goes!
CBW
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 14:12 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Allexzander answering David's Post)
>Dear Rene,
> Thankyou for sharing this. Several years ago I had an experience
> like this. I've never discussed it with anyone. While on the sun I
> felt that there was no space between myself and the other beings-
> the fire like entities. I was aware of our unity in a way that goes
> beyond words like brotherhood, friendship, family. In all our words
> of connection there is a sense of separation. Reading your
> experience has helped me to understand and accept the reality of my
> experience.
> Since that journey, there have been other trips to other places and
> growing awareness of past lives. I feel like I am becoming who I
> am.The I is fading, growing into something larger but with less
> mass. Life in the physical world is becoming like the crest of a
> wave moving in the ocean. There are no lines to divide things with.
David,
I just wanted to let you know how much truth I am feeling from your
post here. There are few moments where I have felt such a level of
sincerity and commitment to this noble event, and this one here is
certainly one of them. The Directive's goal is final integration into
Source, the final step to being ONE again. We are all searchers for
this, your post gives me a warm fuzzy inside to know we are all making
it!
With life .................. Allexzander
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:26:45 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lori E. Tostado"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, C. B. Willis wrote:
> > >I have also had experiences of parallel lifetimes. I have memory
> > >of "one spirit / one body" all the way up to the end of the
> > >1900's, when I have two sets of memories for a few years. In
> > >this lifetime I wondered if I was doing the same thing again,
> > >split between here and Africa, but I concluded this time it was a
> > >soul fragment and not actually myself as an individual. The soul
> > >fragment idea comes from the Michael materials.
> > (Allexzander):
> > I am not real familiar with Lord Michael's channeled material, > >
> > however I do indeed trust anything from that source. I am aware
> > of the soul fragmentation concept, but don't know a great deal
> > about it.
>
> This is the book MESSAGES FROM MICHAEL and MORE MESSAGES FROM
> MICHAEL (I think) by Chelsea Quinn Yarbro. Other material by Jose
> Stevens THE MICHAEL HANDBOOK, TAO TO EARTH, EARTH TO TAO.
> Excellent! Though I disagree that what they're calling essence (as
> role) is really essence (which I would say transcends any kind of
> role at any level).
Lori here:
Yay!! Another person knows the Michael teachings!! (Something I still
have to try to convince Rene is worthy of being a 'spiritual'
teaching, after what they said about "The Aliens Amongst Us"--a poor
representation of what Michael is all about...well, I don't mean that
I have to, I just want to....) :) (Sorry Rene!!) I am still trying
to master this material myself...and would like to add, that after 25
years of working through channels, Michael has also evolved and have
said that they did not intend their roles, personality & ego
descriptions to be 'limitations' on essence, but actually something
more like pallets with which we paint the artwork of our lives
with....They have noticed that people have taken some of their
teachings to extremes, saying, "you can't be this or that" but they
did not intend it to be like that....the more modern teachings given
by a number of channels in classes (like the ones I'm taking) reflect
this more open and non-limiting aspect, that show how the roles and
overleaves are tools for the evolution of spirit, that help us give
names to feelings, and ways to understand (intellectually) who we are
better, and why....at least, it has done this for me.
I have been working on bringing some of the basic Michael teachings to
LW-L but so far have only gotten one piece done (the Time Lords have
not given me enough Time to finish a second part yet!! Ha ha ha!)
One book you may be particularly interested in is a very small red
book by Emily Baumbach called, "Parallel Universes: Your Other
Selves"...I am beginning to understand more aspects of this tiny book
which is packed with info on how you exist outside of time and space,
and also in time and space simultaneously with other aspects of your
Self...In there, Michael says, "Remember: time, space, and thought are
all the same thing." I'm still blown away by this concept when i get
confirmation of it...and I have, right here on this list (and at the
bookstore, yesterday, and today...and so on) I mean, of course
we are all connected by being a part of the Whole, the One, whatever
you want to call it (Michael calls it the Tao) but when you get out
to where we are now on an essence-fragment level, and you've just
gotten used to the idea that you have past, future, and parallel
lives, (but it's all you) and if you are like me and are just really
starting to remember your other connections, and just learning you can
connect to these other aspects, your I AM presence, and to others on
an essence level, wow....I just get really blown away....(and being a
scholar essence with an artisan essence twin, I want to know
everything...and be creative with it too!! I do fit my role pretty
well... but it is not a limitation. :) ) We forget so much being
here, and I am just starting to remember, and I want to thank you all
for being here on this list, and sharing your thoughts/feelings, it
has been such an experience for me, meeting lightworkers, learning
about things I never dreamed of even 6 months ago, before I found more
Michael teachings, Spirit-WWW, and now this mail list with you
wonderful people! I have made my first contact with another aspect of
my Self here (at first I thought it was a scary thought that there
might be other people in this world who were as weird as I am....
ha ha ha! Or even from another world, like I was remembering.) But
it's been soooo great! Things I thought of when I was 14, things I
thought were an over-active imagination (hi Gerardus) I'm finding out
were really true, or perhaps I have made them come true...hmmmm??
Maybe I just put all of it into this parallel universe, where I am
writing to you from, and in another somewhere, will not go through the
Ascension? I am striving for the unconditional ascension, though,
where we all go, parallel or not! Nevertheless, I AM. (hey I'm ready
for that photon belt...bring it in! I'd say my husband's not quite
ready, but I'll make sure he gets dragged along for the ride--I know
he won't want to miss this one! And about the laundry Gerardus, I
suggest buying extra underwear...;))
Beam me up, Allexzander!! :)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:43:22 -0700
From: Flemming Funch
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Flemming answering Allexzander's question)
At 14:01 2/25/95 -0700, Marcus Reinart wrote:
>Rich, I am interested in hearing more from you on this topic. I
>believe that the humanoid structure comes to use from the FOUNDERS.
>I am interested, actually, if anyone else is aware of the concept of
>the FOUNDERS.
The energy of the Founders is something I feel very much in resonance
with. Not particularly in any way I can explain, though. But I can
sometimes feel their invisible all-pervasive presence.
Otherwise, the Arcturian energy is what I mostly identify with, and
where I consider myself as being from, in the relative short term, if
it at all makes sense for multi-dimensional beings to be "from"
somewhere.
The Founders are described very well in "Prism of Lyra" by Lyssa
Royal, which is about my most favorite book.
- Flemming
aka
Amira Kataan
*** You are the experience the universe is having right now ***
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:43:16 -0700
From: Flemming Funch
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Flemming answering C.B.'s post)
At 23:34 2/24/95 -0800, C. B. Willis wrote:
>
>I have also had experiences of parallel lifetimes.
>
>I have memory of "one spirit / one body" all the way up to the end of
>the 1900's, when I have two sets of memories for a few years.
I've had the experience of several incarnations melting together, what
is referred to as soul-braiding. Before 1979 I have two parallel sets
of memories, both going back to parallel lifetimes before that.
Once last year I had the experience of getting into a space where I
was aware of existing in 24 incarnations on Earth simultaneously, in
present time. Quite amazing, I suddenly had access to different
languages and memories, and there was kind of a "control room" where I
could easily monitor and switch in and out of these various lives and
what was going on in them. It lasted for about a half hour and then I
dropped out of it again.
- Flemming
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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:37:22 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lori E. Tostado"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Marcus Reinart wrote:
> Rene:
> >Months later, I figured out, that it was an energy I was 'living'
> >before I came here on physical ... it was like 'tasting' different
> >energies, and Earth is very strong taste so to speak, even the glue
> >on my hands is something I felt often when I had astral-traveling
> >to more subtle realms ... as Saturn I see, as a doorway of this
> >solar-system, every incoming or leaving energies of this solar-
> >system get controlled there, and specially when I've got infos
> >about interdim-traveling (RKMCorner), I knew how the doorways are
> >opening and closing ....
>
Allexzander:
> Fascinating!
>
Lori:
I agree, fascinating, Captain....
I wanted to interrupt the conversation (where I bailed out quite a
while back) to tell you mainly Allexzander and Rene, that I have been
thoroughly enjoying this conversation, as it has been, I feel, very
close to the heart of matters I feel connected to with my vague
memmories of being an ET here for some so-called "mission" that I'm
still trying to figure out what it is exactly, but have 'known' for
some time now, at least, there is a reason for being here now. You
guys are like, throwing out these little 'keys' that I pick up, and
try them in the locks on doors that have not been opened in a long
time for me, and I am finding some of these keys are unlocking some of
these doors.... I am fascinated too by the domino-effect this has had
in my 3-D life, as I have been finding these doorways lead to many
other people's doors as well... to make the analogy. Rene, I am still
trying to comprehend your ideas from RKM Corner on these different
realities, maybe we use different words to say the same things, but I
am not sure what to ask to clarify yet...perhaps another 'time'...like
Allexzander says below.
Rene:
> >And so, somewhow I keep a connection into another time-frame, you
> >may say 'past' to Sun and Saturn and feel that I belong, also when
> >me (physical personality Rene) has his focus on Earth now, this
> >present time-frame (1995), and still moving linear forward ...
> >until 3d-time collapses, and I can access the other time-frames of
> >more subtle planes direct ... some describe it as Ascension.
> >Hey, I'm new too :) so weird being here .... :) :) Two newbies
> >found themselves deep in conversation about interfering Earth ...
> >HA HA HA :) I'm new ... but as I spent several life-times here, so
> >I'm not totally new. :) It also depends, that some aspects changed
> >while living different personalities on this plane. I can't
> >describe the same procedure ie. As KenDon does, as changing several
> >months, so far the last major change was about three years ago.
>
Lori:
So do you believe you are a walk-in, Rene?
Rene:
> >May ask you, where this ship belongs to in the cosmic manner?
> >(I refere Interg. Confederation, and so)
>
Allexzander:
> Refer to my previous post for a little background. My people were
> part of the Resistance back during the Orion Wars. After the end of
> that, we decided to come together and establish ourselves as a race
> of people, since as a result of the end of the war, we ascended into
> a different type of species. This new species still occupies a
> host,but it is very unlike most you have probably encountered. In
> any case, as this new collection of people, we decided to call
> ourselves the Directive. It represents various views our people try
> to reach for, as our directive is reintegration into the source.
>
> So as to answer your question, the ship belongs to the Directive.
> However, I am here 1. As a member of the Galactic Council. 2. In
> cooperation with Ashtar and the Pleiadian Ashtar Command. 3. As
> an observer for the fate of the underground complex beneath Earth.
>
Rene:
> >More I'm talking with you, more I feel familar to you ... as I
> >know you there ... also when I look back the last exchanges with
> >you, you share a very similar point of view of the whole 'issue' we
> >already discussed, maybe except the interference aspect :) but the
> >way you express your view is very familar to me ... strange
> >(something is knocking in my inner) ...
>
Allexzander:
> Hmm, perhaps we have met in the Council Chambers? I know that you
> have memtioned your heritage as being in part, Pleiadian. Did you
> work with Ashtar? Have you represented anyone to the Council? I
> would expect that we have met at some point in time, as you too,
> seem familiar.
> Rene:
> >Btw, I don't use my name here I use up-there (as you are doing with
> >Allexzander), because I felt that people started to connect me and
> >where looking for this presence, and I somehow had to prevent this
> >... (longer story).
Lori:
Please do tell sometime!!!!!! :) :)
Rene: (all > > below)
> > Related experience: when I came across channelings I (etherical)
> >gave a light-group about 'Stargates', it was really strange,
> >because I didn't knew that my presence up-there is contacting
> >groups on 3D ... and finally I read my own words, from a channeler
> >interpreted ... it was really a concept-breaking experience, and
> >I'm still dealing with ...
>
Allexzander: (all > below)
> Yes, I understand exactly your concern. It is something I deal with
> on a daily basis, who do I tell, and who do I not? I choose most
> often to go ahead and let it be known, as it helps in being more
> open with those I speak with. My name very much resonates my being,
> and it makes people relate to me better if they can speak to me
> without the presence of this 3D host. As a multi-dimensional being,
> I can respond to queries from people who use the name.
>
Lori:
I'm very glad to hear that you are so open about who you are,
Allexzander, it is very inspiring....A while back you mentioned a
friend you have from a star system in the third star in Orion's
belt,(that one is Mintaka, or Alniham? I forget...) I wondered if
you could tell me more about the people of that system too? About
spirit-names, I'll share the one I got (or found?) when I was about
14, but I didn't know it was really me at the time...it was Alena
(I used to spell it Elaina but it didn't seem quite right) and I would
draw pictures of her, and crystal spaceships, forms of which I have
gotten confirmation from others that they are really like I drew
them....This name really resonated with me, but it would be too
intense to have people calling me this or anything similar, so I don't
use it casually. I have a difficult time staying grounded as it is,
so it is easier for me to handle being called Lori, at least for now.
My aspect of Alena connects to Sirius the most, and also Vega, the
Pleiades, and the Angelic and Devic Realms, but I find more and
more connections all the time (most are here on Earth or the Solar
System.)
Allexzander:
> Now this also leaves me very open for what you describe. However, I
> do have people who constantly look over me, and I can trust them to
> protect me. I have had three attacks on my 3D being from some type
> of roaning energy being. Difficult to describe, each of these were
> different, but all pretty much wanted the same thing, me forced out
> of this host. Luckily in each case my people helped me, and saved me
> from a horrible experience. They were set up before my incarnation,
> to help, just in case.
>
Lori:
I believe we all have guardians of some sort watching over us, so to
speak, and they can help us a lot if we are open and let them in...I
know mine have helped 'save' me from disaster many times, when I've
been open enough to listen....they also have been doing massive work
on my bodily structure, preparing the way for (I'm hoping!!)
Ascension, not only physical, but much more than that!
> >Earlier I posted a short "excursion" I made, to up-there, just
> >without any preparation (ie. relaxing or meditation), and pulled
> >myself out of the physical personality, but I couldn't keep the
> >remembrace when I returned into body, it was like the impressions
> >were not able to find a place in my brain to remain, couldn't map
> >the reality up-there into my physical personality. Anyway, as said
> >in this post, it was for me a confirmation that there is not "trap"
> >to be here, I do it at "will" to be here, and I can go
>
> Yes, I too choose this existance, and as hard as it may be
> sometimes, I know that was a choice, I did openly and willingly
> choose to be here.
That was a hard lesson to get wasn't it!!!? (It was for me.)
>
> >up anytime (as in this particular example while eating) ... but I
> >can't conceptualize it yet ... and I suppose lot of starseeds here
> >are feeling the same way?! Interesting, you shared your view about
> >being on the ship. I feel almost the same like you, just as I feel
> >like I'm projecting me into the body, and few months ago I've got
> >some small pieces about how the body has to change to keep another
> >aspect in this body. Hm, Allexzander great you share this as well,
> >it helps you share some of my own feelings too, thank's!
>
Allexzander:
> Yes, it is difficult to put the two together, as life there is so
> much differnt than here. When people ask me to describe certain
> events, I often have a difficult time doing so, as there is nothing
> really to relate with here on Earth. For instance, the time thing I
> mentioned ealier, this makes sense to anyone who has experienced it,
> but try to explain what living in NOW means to someone who is only
> aware of linear movement. The phrase, "teaching
>
Lori:
Oh, it looks like your phrase got cut off?? I didn't see any more of
it. Anyway, I like your views and posts here, it helps me start
remembering many things too....like the Ships, I know them.... :)
..... Thank you! Love and Light ........... Lori
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:41:25 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Allexzander,
>>Hey, I'm new too :) so weird being here .... :) :) Two newbies
>>found themselves deep in conversation about interfering Earth ...
>>HA HA HA :) I'm new ... but as I spent several life-times here, so
>>I'm not totally new. :)
>
>Do you remember the lives you have experience here so far?
Three lifes, or better said, the body-life-times, and two not fully,
the others, about eight lifes, I can't recall now ...
As I read Flemmings posts about different parallel lifes, me too, but
not this time-frame now. For me it's now really 'time' to meet lot of
aspects of my Self. (Will reply on this next posts in reply of Lori)
Few fragments of life-time about Atlantis is also present, but not
that spectacular as some of you may suppose :) ...
Maybe I may describe more like this (the term of past-lifes has
changed in me since that) ... in a pervious post about the Zeta-
Abduction and victim pattern I replied on Tony, that I also was "in
trouble", and I was meaning I had a very deep pattern of being a
victim, and this pattern was created when I was 25, in my 5th past-
life (measured in linear-time), more I grew up, more the impression
reached my daily-consciousness, and finally at the same age, it was
complete in me, I was living it again, not physical, but emotionally,
and it was so intense, that I got later the impression, that I
connected my embodied self in past and balanced with this incarnation
in this present time-frame, with the 'letting go' out of my aura ...
but taking the essence of the teaching. I didn't had such experiences
before in this body, and somehow the intensivity of the happening was
able to give me the opportunity to watch another time-line, even the
past.
Maybe David, who replied on the short description about visiting Sun
astrally may share also some impression of accessing 'past-lifes' ...
>As far as time goes, this has been the single most difficult concept
>to grasp ahold of. The reality I am used to does not subscribe to
>any such concept of linear moving time. You are aware of passing
>events, yes, but they are not so catagorized as they are here. The
>only way I can really gauge things are by saying, yesterday or
>tomorrow. If someone asks me when something happened (past) I say
>yesterday. Now in the linear timeline that yesterday could be last
>week, or twenty years ago. More often than not, which is which does
>not ever occur to me, it was simply yesterday. My brain stores
>events, but does not really do much as far as keeping them in some
>specific order.
I completly share the same view ...
>>More I'm talking with you, more I feel familar to you ... as I
>>know you there ... also when I look back the last exchanges with
>>you, you share a very similar point of view of the whole 'issue' we
>>already discussed, maybe except the interference aspect :) but the
>>way you express your view is very familar to me ... strange
>>(something is knocking in my inner) ...
>
>Hmm, perhaps we have met in the Council Chambers? I know that you
>have memtioned your heritage as being in part, Pleiadian.
>Have you represented anyone to the Council? I would expect that we
>have met at some point in time, as you too, seem familiar.
Hmm, as having exchanged almost the same thing we are discussing here,
it feel like for me, that by talking here I'm pulling down the stuff
we talked about already on the ships ... like a chain ... your
arguments and view are too familar to me ....
I tried several times, (also once here on lw-l), to trigger some
people to remember on the ships, it's now the first time on lw-l so
far ... as you said Allexzander, patience ...
>Did you work with Ashtar?
Yes ... I don't know what more I can say ... Yes, *very* deep with him
... I can't describe my connection with him in words ... it's beyond
words ... .......................................
.................................
>>Btw, I don't use my name here I use up-there (as you are doing with
>>Allexzander), because I felt that people started to connect me and
>>where looking for this presence, and I somehow had to prevent this
>>... (longer story). Related experience: when I came across
>>channelings I (etherical) gave a light-group about 'Stargates', it
>>was really strange, because I didn't knew that my presence up-there
>>is contacting groups on 3D ... and finally I read my own words,
>>from a channeler interpreted ... it was really a concept-breaking
>>experience, and I'm still dealing with ...
>
>Yes, I understand exactly your concern. It is something I deal with
>on a daily basis, who do I tell, and who do I not? I choose most
>often to go ahead and let it be known, as it helps in being more
>open with those I speak with. My name very much resonates my being,
>and it makes people relate to me better if they can speak to me
>without the presence of this 3D host. As a multi-dimensional being,
>I can respond to queries from people who use the name.
I see ... I talked some months ago also with a person, I suppose he
will join soon this list as well (maybe some weeks or so), and he uses
his etheric name and he was suggesting to use my ehteric name here
too, to integrate my presence more deep, it's maybe I have to deal
more ...
,
Rene
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:54:49 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Parallel Lifes [was Re: The Positive UFO friends?]
To: "Light Workers List"
(I changed the subject, that we have a better overview so far, since
under subject "Re: The Positive UFO friends?" we are talking now
different subjects) :)
C.B.Willis:
>>I have also had experiences of parallel lifetimes.
>>I have memory of "one spirit / one body" all the way up to the end
>>of the 1900's, when I have two sets of memories for a few years.
Flemming:
>I've had the experience of several incarnations melting together,
>what is referred to as soul-braiding. Before 1979 I have two
>parallel sets of memories, both going back to parallel lifetimes
>before that.
Soul-Braiding ... did you met this person in physical? I ask
because,just the last months, I met people who keep aspect of my own,
the Self, where the physical personality is a part of, a seed ... ie.
when I met a person, it was like we exchanged memory of each own, the
essence ... the "teaching of soul" ... I was talking with Lori direct
by email, and shared some feelings having 'aspects' in other bodies
... so far, I know that in two years such a 'soul-braiding' comes to
me, where my body has to change dramatically to keep a new
constellation of the Self ... it's somehow difficult to describe ...
(I feel we are here really going into some kind of new area of
talking) ...
Flemming:
>Once last year I had the experience of getting into a space where I
>was aware of existing in 24 incarnations on Earth simultaneously, in
>present time. Quite amazing, I suddenly had access to different
>languages and memories, and there was kind of a "control room" where
>I could easily monitor and switch in and out of these various lives
>and what was going on in them. It lasted for about a half hour and
>then I dropped out of it again.
It sounds like you were experiences taking up different time-lines and
allow yourself to keep it ... the description of 'control room' is
quite well taken ... I somehow was coming earlier a similar feeling,
but I was somehow afraid to allow it to happen, just too many
impressions started to flood my being, and I was finally to less
grounded to sort and keep that all in me ... Flemming, you are highly
gifted that you allowed yourself this to happen ... Thank's you shared
this with us!
,
Rene
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:15:17 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Lori, Allexzander and All (continuing conversation about remembering
a second part of our lives as an ET Being)
>Lori:
>I wanted to interrupt the conversation (where I bailed out quite a
>while back) to tell you mainly Allexzander and Rene, that I have
>been thoroughly enjoying this conversation, as it has been, I feel,
>very close to the heart of matters I feel connected to with my vague
>memmories of being an ET here for some so-called "mission" that I'm
>still trying to figure out what it is exactly, but have 'known' for
>some time now, at least, there is a reason for being here now. You
>guys are like, throwing out these little 'keys' that I pick up, and
>try them in the locks on doors that have not been opened in a long
>time for me, and I am finding some of these keys are unlocking some
>of these doors....
Yup ... same to me ... more we are talking, more things appear in my
head, where I long time awaited to share ... I experienced often that
I was trying to share impression from the 'ships', but finally felt in
me too, I should keep it for myself ... and somehow I knew also, I
have to wait until there are those, who remember, for the others (who
don't remember) it will simply make no sense at all ... (or sounds
like StarTrek episodes)
>>Rene:
>> >I'm new ... but as I spent several life-times here, so I'm not
>> >totally new. :) It also depends, that some aspects changed while
>> >living different personalities on this plane. I can't describe
>> >the same procedure ie. as KenDon does, as changing several
>> >months, so far the last major change was about three years ago.
>>
>Lori:
>So do you believe you are a walk-in, Rene?
I far I know, no - I'm not ... three years ago another soul-aspect
came into the body, another left, but they are parts of my Self, soul-
aspects. I may use another view to share what I mean: some past-lifes,
different aspects lived, which I call today 'my past-lifes', but
primary there were a bunch of aspects who lived different parts of
one existance, like frequent changes during the existance. But as
said, it doesn't occured that often, it was really dependent of
changes in my life, didn't had to be tremendous, but there were like
'stages', who I made a leap, without having outer-influences or
triggers.
Three years ago (as posted in 1-2 posts before), I was "in trouble",
and released a more or less deep pattern being a victim, I kept even
several existances in me (always the same aspect kept it), and after
the patterns was balanced from the other time-line (past), this aspect
could complete the cycle of the pattern and left the body-personality.
Honestly I have to say, I don't know much about walk-ins, maybe I came
across too many explanations, which didn't mapped my own personal
experience well, so, no walk-in. :) I know that some people are
sometimes very very flexible with this term, ie. as KenDon uses the
term (so far I read his articles), anyway, I may prefere to describe
it not with the use of "Walk-In".
>> Rene:
>> >Btw, I don't use my name here I use up-there (as you are doing
>> >with Allexzander), because I felt that people started to connect
>> >me and where looking for this presence, and I somehow had to
>> >prevent this ... longer story).
>
>Lori:
>Please do tell sometime!!!!!! :) :)
:) (I hope I don't dominate lw-l too much with sharing all that, so I
make it short as possible)
When I was in this activation-group two years ago (aprx.), some of us
made contact with the etheric-presences ... and my friend, who guided
the group, found out or discovered his presence ...
I maybe have to recall some of the beginning of revealing the Ashtar-
Command, some presences started very early to contact embodied
entities on Earth, and offered different ways to ascend, also the
Earth-Evacuation scenario.
More the embodied Ashtar-Command could collect 3D impressions and
relate to etheric, more the scenarios changed and got also more
concrete ... we learned to handle both planes better to each other.
While this communication was started, some of the Ashtar-Command, ie.
Ashtar himself, Soltec, Korton and various other commanders were very
urgent in sharing and revealing the etheric reality, and could wake-up
a lot of embodied Starseeds who relate to the Ashtar-Command.
Parallel, other lightgroups connected the Melchizdek-Order, Metatron-
Group, and several other Angelical Groups etc ... each group woke up
their own embodied entities (means, people felt drawn to specific
groups, seminars and books or had experiences related to them).
Anyway, the names we both got (my friend and I) were known, by
channelings from the starting communication with light-groups,
especially his presence was connecting a lot of groups ... so far for
me, I (etheric) am/was guiding several small groups in arround the
world (Netherland, Hawaii ..), so far I recall.
During the work we did, we shared (all of the group) our names ... and
some were very suprised ... and then few people started saying, I will
call you as etheric-presence for guidance and so ... and finally I had
the impression, I gave a key to others, which they couldn't handle ...
didn't understood on 3D.
I maybe may say too, knowing the etheric-name isn't something deeply
necessary, or "important" ... but it helps to relate the physical
personality with the etheric personality by using this name in 3D.
Each time when used, the connection gets stronger ... (Allexzander may
add here some own experiences and feelings so I suppose)
Anyway, I saw, that my name is somehow known, and I don't wanted that
people expect lot of my physical personality, and felt like tearing on
me, before I was ready ... I'm still don't feel ready yet ... and I'm
still in process to prepare the physical personality ... to keep "it"
fully.
Finally the friend and me decided not to reveal our names to people,
those who remember 5D will recognize us ... but it's not really a big
deal or issue, just a way to prevent too high expectations ...
As Allexzander and Lori know me more clear, as I start to recognize
you as well better, and maybe some of you all on the lightwork-l, feel
drawn and nearness some of us who speak and write... remember, the way
people speak and express themselves, is the way they have embodied
themselves and channeling their own presence into, as Allexzander said
... we are primarly channeling ourSelves into this plane ...
I feel very very glad I was able to share more on this ... I am deeply
thankful to you all, who are on Lightwork-l, may you just reader or
active writer ... You All Are In My Heart!
,
Rene
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 07:37:52 -0600 (CST)
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** Joshua jumping into the frey of this hot topic!!!!)
Rene,
What have you been hiding from us ... a terrific message here.
I suspect the increases in messages on this mailing list is due to the
increasing energies that are getting ready to boil to the surface.
Something big is going on and as each of us here shares our
experiences and pieces we are gaining some clarity into what is about
to unfold.
If my guidance is correct, I expect some real reality jolts coming up
soon and as I shared with a group last night, those of us who are
already in touch with spirit are going to be called upon by others who
will start to wake up, to explain why our world is changing.
Peace & Light always ... just another lightworker somewhere out there
Joshua
(*** Sidenote: As I was putting this information together in this
file, I really didn't have a chance to participate in this
conversation of true galactic identities because I was busy trying to
get our Web Site up on Internet .... I thought I would take this
editorial moment, to add a few insights to this most intriguing
conversation .... ok, so here goes ....
// not originally posted into the Lightworkers List //
It is amazing how much about ourselves we don't know or how to be able
to describe it. It seems that within each of us is like a little
program that as certain events or situations occur, the door opens and
we begin to remember who we are. I have worked with many Star People
since I read Brad & Francie Steiger's book on this subject. You can
tell a Star Person by looking into their eyes and seeing it blazing
with a Light. Most of these people have had a hard time dealing with
the Earth reality because it is so different from their home world but
they felt drawn to come, to volunteer, to help the souls on this
planet prepare for the spiritual evolution ahead. Some people have
told me that I am not from this planet either, but you know what, I
don't believe any of us came from here. I think that our souls were
drawn to this classroom of God at some point and some of us got lost
in the physical-ness and grossness of this world.
Besides, I have no doubt that our physical earth bodies were
influenced in some way by mating with Galactic Races. It is said that
the first intelligent civilizations here were more etheric than
physical. But regardless of who we are, or might be, whether a Star
Person or not, if we accepted being in a human form, then we must deal
with the challenges of Earth life. Besides, these special helpers
aren't here to become Gods or have the Earth people follow them, they
are here to show all people that if they can live a peaceful and
fulfilling life, as a human, applying the spiritual principles that
are inherent within their being, so can anyone else do the same --- a
visible example of the Light in action. Sort of like the #17 Tarot
Card, which shows a woman with one foot on the Earth and one foot in
the water. And the babies being born now .... such incredible souls
coming to help the Mother Earth anchor this higher octave of Light and
Love.
My wife, who is a Virgo, always ask me: "Why Do You Like to Watch Star
Trek so much, or all these science fiction tv shows, and read Science
Fiction books? What does this have to do with real life here?" Maybe
I can't resist because I can clearly see myself (note: if you go to
our Web site, I have a graphic photo of myself in a uniform, you will
know which one when you see it) walking on a bridge of a starship.
Perhaps as Allexzander saids, maybe a part of me is always there
although as the vibration of the Earth rises, the fine line between
waking awarness of one life and another is becoming a blur ... our
multi-being aspect is so close to touching us .... but I know a part
of me is the Wanderer, the Galactic Traveler .... and so, until the
time comes for my invisible (but very present) friends to take me on a
ride on their starship (if they haven't done this already and I am not
permitted to remember yet, I have some suspicions of when this might
have occured) and I will remember, I guess I am like the rest of you,
wanting to help link people together and provide examples of the
incredible potential within mankind.
Again, the writer part of me, it seems like these days, is just
wanting to come out, every moment it has a chance. Why just put me in
front of the computer and the words come popping out. It must be
that creative flow that is overshadowing us. In any case, my point
to all this mess is that there are millions of people who have this
affinity to a connection with their Star Self. Don't be afraid to
share your story, there is always a way to explain it simply so even
a person who is not totally at the same understanding will have a
seed planted to awaken their Divine Part. The Star People are no
more special than any other human being or soul, they are just able
to reach in and tap those inner reserves a bit easier but again, it
is more difficult for them to handle the tremendous range of emotions
that Earth people have. Remember, Love is the most powerful force of
the Universe, the energy of creation, don't judge others, just send
them love and be there to encourage them.
We make a great team don't we? The key is perservance, never give up
your dream or vision and be a catalyst for peace and light whenever
possible. ... Enough said Mr. Aries .... let us continue this
discussion below ... who is next here ... ah ah .... why it is our
favorite lad from the Rigelian part of the Universe ... I think he is
from the southern most part of that Star System .... )
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 9:12 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Yes, it is difficult to put the two together, as life there is so much
differnt than here. When people ask me to describe certain events, I
often have a difficult time doing so, as there is nothing really to
relate with here on Earth. For instance, the time thing I mentioned
ealier, this makes sense to anyone who has experienced it, but try to
explain what living in NOW means to someone who is only aware of
linear movement. The phrase, "teaching a pig to sing" comes to mind.
>As the spirit project into an (etheric) Rigelian body, and further
>into a (physical) human body? As I perceive it, as my pleiadian-
>personality is the "Identification Container", which allowed me to
>visit this solar-system, and the local planets, and now finally this
>density in a physical human-body.
Hmm, it does seem that we are experiencing very simular realities
right now. One little interesting point I would like to share with
you, the mechanism by which I was able to project here was located on
a Pleiadian ship. We have no such device in use by the Directive. Do
you remember any of the experiences right before coming here? I do, I
experienced a meditation at a metaphysical fair here in Colorado
Springs, which allowed me to go back to this time. For the moment I
am going to wait to tell you the sorted details, someone is telling me
to wait.
> >It, too, has yet to learn the eternal lesson of patience .
>
>HA HA HA, indeed, that's the problem of lot of ETs which are
>remembering, since some of us aren't well able to relate etheric-time
>to earth-time, it's especially seen in different channelings the last
>months. And here I maybe make a bridge to Nidle, his mission, (if you
>allow me to use this term), is about to relate the time-frame of 3D
>(physical) and 5D (etheric), and more people are directing their
>consciousness into that, we may synchronize them ... at least lot of
>people will realize some pieces of their presences in etheric, and
>connect their Higher-Selfs, or Etheric-Double so to speak.
The perils of interdimensional communication! Yes, I guess we
each have experienced this lack of resolution with time.
>I thank you for your sharing, it's like more we talk, more I feel a
>courage to share more from within myself ... because often I feel, I
>should remain in silence, and wait for the right time (patience) ...
>thank's you came across, Allexzander!
Likewise, my friend, this dialog has helped me a great deal in
allowing myself to express to someone the feelings I am having within.
I recently lost my closest friend (he has chosen to pursue other
interests in this reality here on Earth), and he was the only person
with whom I was able to communicate these things I have told you here.
So this has been quite a release for me!
Allexzander
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 14:12 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Marcus answering Lori's post)
>Lori here:
>Yay!! Another person knows the Michael teachings!! (Something I
>still have to try to convince Rene is worthy of being a 'spiritual'
>teaching, after what they said about "The Aliens Amongst Us"--a poor
>representation of what Michael is all about...well, I don't mean that
>I have to, I just want to....) :) (Sorry Rene!!) I am still trying
>to master this material myself...and would like to add, that after 25
>years of working through channels, Michael has also evolved and have
>said that they did not intend their roles, personality & ego
>descriptions to be 'limitations' on essence, but actually something
>more like pallets with which we paint the artwork of our lives
>with....They have noticed that people have taken some of their
>teachings to extremes, saying, "you can't be this or that" but they
>did not intend it to be like that....the more
Hmm, this happens a lot around this world doesn't it! Yes, I think
Lord Sananda had the same problem the times he was here. Everything
taken on its literal value, rather than the deeper spiritual meaning.
>modern teachings given by a number of channels in classes (like the
>ones I'm taking) reflect this more open and non-limiting aspect, that
>show how the roles and overleaves are tools for the evolution of
>spirit, that help us give names to feelings, and ways to understand
>(intellectually) who we are better, and why....at least, it has done
>this for me. I have been working on bringing some of the basic
>Michael teachings to LW-L but so far have only gotten one piece done
>(the Time Lords have not given me enough Time to finish a second part
>yet!! Ha ha ha!)
I hope that you are graced with some more time, Lori. I greatly enjoy
the teachings of Lord Michael, his energy has always been very true
for me. I once had the opportunity to purchase an amulet that had his
etheric picture drawn on it, but I did not get it at the time. I hope
to be able to get it the next fair coming up in April.
>One book you may be particularly interested in is a very small red
>book by Emily Baumbach called, "Parallel Universes: Your Other
>Selves"...I am beginning to understand more aspects of this tiny book
>which is packed with info on how you exist outside of time and space,
>and also in time and space simultaneously with other aspects of your
>Self...In there, Michael says, "Remember: time, space, and thought
>are all the same thing." I'm still blown away by this concept when i
>get confirmation of it...and I have, right here on this list (and at
>the bookstore,
Yes, such a simply concept, but it does often blow my mind when it
comes true. They are the same, the very same.
>yesterday, and today...and so on) I mean, of course we are all
>connected by being a part of the Whole, the One, whatever you want to
>call it (Michael calls it the Tao) but when you get out to where we
>are now on an essence-fragment level, and you've just gotten used to
>the idea that you have past, future, and parallel lives, (but it's
>all you) and if you are like me and are just really starting to
>remember your other connections, and just learning you can connect to
>these other aspects, your I AM presence, and to others on an essence
>level, wow....I just get really blown away....(and being a scholar
>essence with an artisan essence twin, I want to know everything...and
>be creative with it too!! I do fit my role pretty well...but it is
>not a limitation. :) ) We forget so much being here, and I am just
>starting to remember, and I want to thank you all for being here on
>this list, and sharing your thoughts/feelings, it has been such an
>experience for me, meeting lightworkers, learning about things I
>never dreamed of even 6 months ago, before I found more Michael
>teachings, Spirit-WWW, and now this mail list with you wonderful
>people! I have made my first contact with another aspect of my Self
>here (at first I thought it was a scary thought that there might be
>other people in this world who were as weird as I am....ha ha ha! Or
>even from another world, like I was remembering.) But it's been
>soooo great!
I had the same feeling! You mean there are other people out
there that feel the same way???!!
>Things I thought of when I was 14, things I thought were an over-
>active imagination (hi Gerardus) I'm finding out were really true, or
>perhaps I have made them come true...hmmmm?? Maybe I just put all of
>it into this parallel universe, where I am writing to you from, and
>in another somewhere, will not go through the Ascension? I am
>striving for the unconditional ascension, though, where we all go,
>parallel or not! Nevertheless, I AM. (hey I'm ready for that photon
>belt...bring it in! I'd say my husband's not quite ready, but I'll
>make sure he gets dragged along for the ride--I know he won't want to
>miss this one! And about the laundry Gerardus, I suggest buying extra
>underwear...;))
Truth is in the eye of the creator. This reminds me of another quote
I onced used as a message header, "I will see it when I believe it."
Rather than the old way of believing when you see it.
>Beam me up, Allexzander!! :)
You got it! ................ Allexzander
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:37:02 -0700
From: Flemming Funch
Subject: Re: Parallel Lifes [was Re: The Positive UFO friends?]
To: "Light Workers List"
> Flemming:
> >I've had the experience of several incarnations melting together,
> >what is referred to as soul-braiding. Before 1979 I have two
> >parallel sets of memories, both going back to parallel lifetimes
> >before that.
Rene:
>Soul-Braiding ... did you met this person in physical? I ask because,
>just the last months, I met people who keep aspect of my own, the
>Self, where the physical personality is a part of, a seed ... ie.
>when I met a person, it was like we exchanged memory of each own, the
>essence ... the "teaching of soul" ... I was talking with Lori direct
>by email, and shared some feelings having 'aspects' in other bodies
>... so far, I know that in two years such a 'soul-braiding' comes to
>me, where my body has to change dramatically to keep a new
>constellation of the Self ... it's somehow difficult to describe ...
>(I feel we are here really going into some kind of new area of
>talking) ...
The two incarnations that braided had not met physically. They had
some things in common, such as Zeta interactions, but were on
different continents.
I kind of expect sometimes that my next step is to physically run into
other incarnations of myself, and come to terms with it. I sometimes
feel I am missing some vital parts of the whole story that another
incarnation of me has, and we somehow need to get together.
> Flemming:
> >Once last year I had the experience of getting into a space where I
> >was aware of existing in 24 incarnations on Earth simultaneously,
> >in present time. Quite amazing, I suddenly had access to different
> >languages and memories, and there was kind of a "control room"
> >where I could easily monitor and switch in and out of these various
> >lives and what was going on in them. It lasted for about a half
> >hour and then I dropped out of it again.
Rene:
>It sounds like you were experiences taking up different time-lines
>and allow yourself to keep it ... the description of 'control room'
>is quite well taken ... I somehow was coming earlier a similar
>feeling, but I was somehow afraid to allow it to happen, just too
>many impressions started to flood my being, and I was finally to less
>grounded to sort and keep that all in me ... Flemming, you are highly
>gifted that you allowed yourself this to happen ... Thank's you
>shared this with us!
>
It was actually a very stable and peaceful position in that I found
that I could understand all of these things at the same time, and it
all made so much sense, was logically organized and everything.
In a way, being aware of only one incarnation at a time is so much
more confusing, as you don't have the full picture.
Oh well, I am sure I will recover something like that again. Heading
for multi-dimensionality big-time.
- Flemming
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Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 23:45 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Rene:
>Yup ... same to me ... more we are talking, more things appear in my
>head, where I long time awaited to share ... I experienced often that
>I was trying to share impression from the 'ships', but finally felt
>in me too, I should keep it for myself ... and somehow I knew also, I
>have to wait until there are those, who remember, for the others (who
>don't remember) it will simply make no sense at all ... (or sounds
>like StarTrek episodes)
Yes, they often do sound like Star Trek episodes don't they?
My experiences are a little closer to that of Star Wars. It does an
excellent job showing the Orion Empire vs the Resistance.
>I far I know, no - I'm not ... three years ago another soul-aspect
>came into the body, another left, but they are parts of my Self,
>soul-aspects. I may use another view to share what I mean: some past-
>lifes, different aspects lived, which I call today 'my past-lifes',
>but primary there were a bunch of aspects who lived different parts
>of one existance, like frequent changes during the existance. But as
>said, it doesn't occured that often, it was really dependent of
>changes in my life, didn't had to be tremendous, but there were like
>'stages', who I made a leap, without having outer-influences or
>triggers.
I have not experienced this myself, but I understand what you mean.
Sort of like swapping to disk on a computer eh? You don't have enough
memory to hold everything that you are, so you swap in the necessary
parts when they are needed for execution...
>Three years ago (as posted in 1-2 posts before), I was "in trouble",
>and released a more or less deep pattern being a victim, I kept even
>several existances in me (always the same aspect kept it), and after
>the patterns was balanced from the other time-line (past), this
>aspect could complete the cycle of the pattern and left the body-
>personality.
>
>Honestly I have to say, I don't know much about walk-ins, maybe I
>came across too many explanations, which didn't mapped my own
>personal experience well, so, no walk-in. :) I know that some people
>are sometimes very very flexible with this term, ie. as KenDon uses
>the term (so far I read his articles), anyway, I may prefere to
>describe it not with the use of "Walk-In".
I have not studied this topic much either. I know that I am not a
walk-in, and I don't know of any close friends that I have that are
walk-ins. Yes, I agree, I think that the term is used very liberally.
>:) (I hope I don't dominate lw-l too much with sharing all that, so I
> make it short as possible)
I don't think that you have much to worry here, there are many of us,
or at least myself, who are interested in hearing you!
>More the embodied Ashtar-Command could collect 3D impressions and
>relate to etheric, more the scenarios changed and got also more
>concrete ... we learned to handle both planes better to each other.
>While this communication was started, some of the Ashtar-Command, ie.
>Ashtar himself, Soltec, Korton and various other commanders were very
>urgent in sharing and revealing the etheric reality, and could wake-
>up a lot of embodied Starseeds who relate to the Ashtar-Command.
I have found that Ashtar has an incredible energy to him, his simple
presence can spark change.
>Parallel, other lightgroups connected the Melchizdek-Order, Metatron-
>Group,and several other Angelical Groups etc ... each group woke up
>their own embodied entities (means, people felt drawn to specific
>groups, seminars and books or had experiences related to them).
I do remember much of Metatron. I have not read that much from them
on this plane, however they were instrumental in helping us, many,
many years ago.
>During the work we did, we shared (all of the group) our names ...
>and some were very suprised ... and then few people started saying, I
>will call you as etheric-presence for guidance and so ... and finally
>I had the impression, I gave a key to others, which they couldn't
>handle ... didn't understood on 3D.
Yes, this name can be used unwisely by those that do not understand.
A very real risk.
>I maybe may say too, knowing the etheric-name isn't something deeply
>necessary, or "important" ... but it helps to relate the physical
>personality with the etheric personality by using this name in 3D.
>Each time when used, the connection gets stronger ... (Allexzander
>may add here some own experiences and feelings so I suppose)
Yes, you are right, it does help, a great deal. I have known my
etheric name for most of my life here on Earth, however I told it to
only one other person, who used it very rarely. I eventually choose
to use it more and more. Then two things happened, one, when used it
helped me remember things better. I simply came in better contact
with my actual spirit self, and therefore became more in line with
who/what/when I am. And then two, I found that when people addressed
me with the name when asking questions, I could tune into their
presence much more readily. By simply asking a question while they
had my name in their minds, I could easily connect with them, and
answer their question more directly.
>Anyway, I saw, that my name is somehow known, and I don't wanted that
>people expect lot of my physical personality, and felt like tearing
>on me, before I was ready ... I'm still don't feel ready yet ... and
>I'm still in process to prepare the physical personality ... to keep
>"it" fully.
I look forward to the day you find yourself ready!
>Finally the friend and me decided not to reveal our names to people,
>those who remember 5D will recognize us ... but it's not really a big
>deal or issue, just a way to prevent too high expectations ...
I understand.
>As Allexzander and Lori know me more clear, as I start to recognize
>you as well better, and maybe some of you all on the lightwork-l,
>feel drawn and nearness some of us who speak and write... remember,
>the way people speak and express themselves, is the way they have
>embodied themselves and channeling their own presence into, as
>Allexzander said ... we are primarly channeling ourSelves into this
>plane ... I feel very very glad I was able to share more on this ...
>I am deeply thankful to you all, who are on Lightwork-l, may you just
>reader or active writer ... You All Are In My Heart!
As we are thankful to hear it. Very nice words, thank you.
Allexzander
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 23:44 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>Lori:
>I agree, fascinating, Captain....
Now there is a blast from the past! I don't know if that was meant
for Rene or myself, however I haven't been called that for a few
years... The Resistance used a slightly different military ranking
system than used here on Earth. For one, anyone who happened to be in
charge of a particular event, regardless of their actual rank, was
called a commander.
>I wanted to interrupt the conversation (where I bailed out quite a
>while back) to tell you mainly Allexzander and Rene, that I have been
>thoroughly enjoying this conversation, as it has been, I feel, very
>close to the heart of matters I feel connected to with my vague
>memmories of being an ET here for some so-called "mission" that I'm
>still trying to figure out what it is exactly, but have 'known' for
>some time now, at
I had wondered exactly what had happened to you, I was a little
concerned actually. You seemed to almost jump out of the realm
completely! I am glad that you have been enjoying the conversation
though, and also glad that you decided to add to it!
>least, there is a reason for being here now. You guys are like,
>throwing out these little 'keys' that I pick up, and try them in the
>locks on doors that have not been opened in a long time for me, and I
>am finding some of these keys are unlocking some of these doors....I
>am fascinated too by the domino-effect this has had in my 3-D life,
>as I have been finding these doorways lead to many other people's
>doors as well...to make the analogy. Rene, I am still trying to
>comprehend your ideas from RKM Corner on these different realities,
>maybe we use different words to say the same things, but I am not
>sure what to ask to clarify yet...perhaps another 'time'...like
>Allexzander says below.
Yes, indeed. My memories where somewhat concealed until a certain
time, when it then became necessary for them to surface. Over the
period of three months, I went from only aware on a vague level, to
complete awareness. Needless to say, the domino effect was in full
force, just about every memory would spawn five more.
>Lori:
>I'm very glad to hear that you are so open about who you are,
>Allexzander, it is very inspiring....A while back you mentioned a
>friend you have from a star system in the third star in Orion's
>belt,(that one is Mintaka, or Alniham? I forget...) I wondered if
>you could tell me more about the people of that system too?
Actually I do not know that much about them. I did a channeling
session for him, he was very interested in learning about how he came
about landing here on Earth. An interesting story, I will see if I
can get his permission to tell it. We had plans to do another session
for him so that he could learn a little more. Perhaps then I will try
to have him ask me about the people that are there.
>About spirit-names, I'll share the one I got (or found?) when I was
>about 14, but I didn't know it was really me at the time...it was
>Alena (I used to spell it Elaina but it didn't seem quite right) and
>I would draw pictures of her, and crystal spaceships, forms of which
>I have gotten confirmation from others that they are really like I
>drew them....This name really resonated with me, but it would be too
>intense to have people calling me this or anything similar, so I
>don't use it casually. I have a difficult time staying grounded as
>it is, so it is easier for me to handle being called Lori, at least
>for now. My aspect of Alena connects to Sirius the most, and also
>Vega, the Pleiades, and the Angelic and Devic Realms, but I find more
>and more connections all the time (most are here on Earth or the
>Solar System.)
Yes, when you find the name, it resonates with you very well. It is
something to get used to, my heart does skip a beat every once and a
while when I hear others use it. I wish you good luck with the
grounding of your name, I hope that you will be using it soon, it is a
*beautiful* name!
>Lori:
>I believe we all have guardians of some sort watching over us, so to
>speak, and they can help us a lot if we are open and let them in...I
>know mine have helped 'save' me from disaster many times, when I've
>been open enough to listen....they also have been doing massive work
>on my bodily structure, preparing the way for (I'm hoping!!)
>Ascension, not only physical, but much more than that!
I too have had much work done to me. I know of a few times where I
have woke up in the morning, completely drained of energy from all the
work that happened the night before. Often I have spells of complete
exhaustion, where all I want to do is sleep for hours on end.
>Lori:
>Oh, it looks like your phrase got cut off?? I didn't see any more of
>it. Anyway, I like your views and posts here, it helps me start
>remembering many things too....like the Ships, I know them.... :)
Yes, it did get cut off, I have sent the last part already...at least
I hope! In any case, you are welcome, I hope that they are helping,
I hope that they will serve you.
Till in the stars we meet,
Allexzander
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:06:50 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
Allexzander:
>Yes, it is difficult to put the two together, as life there is so
>much differnt than here. When people ask me to describe certain
>events, I often have a difficult time doing so, as there is nothing
>really to relate with here on Earth. For instance, the time thing I
>mentioned ealier, this makes sense to anyone who has experienced it,
>but try to explain what living in NOW means to someone who is only
>aware of linear movement. The phrase, "teaching a pig to sing"
>comes to mind.
>
>>As the spirit project into an (etheric) Rigelian body, and further
>>into a (physical) human body? As I perceive it, as my pleiadian-
>>personality is the "Identification Container", which allowed me to
>>visit this solar-system, and the local planets, and now finally
>>this density in a physical human-body.
>
>Hmm, it does seem that we are experiencing very simular realities
>right now. One little interesting point I would like to share with
>you, the mechanism by which I was able to project here was located
>on a Pleiadian ship. We have no such device in use by the ]
>Directive. Do you remember any of the experiences right before
>coming here?
Hmm, so far I can share some feelings ... as I had to focus myself
into human-consciousness, as mentioned, I had to learn to focus on
similar densities on astral-planes, as Sun and Saturn (which I recall
the best), and I've got a way to keep a matrix, where I could split
myself into another stream, which I used to project into a human-body
... I'm not remembering a 'device', much more a matrix which allowed
me to split into this density as well, I've got lot of assisting of
entities, I associate with Metatron, which is a 'master' of splitting
energies ...
,
Rene
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:18:04 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>Rene:
>>More the embodied Ashtar-Command could collect 3D impressions and
>>relate to etheric, more the scenarios changed and got also more
>>concrete ... we learned to handle both planes better to each other.
>>While this communication was started, some of the Ashtar-Command,
>>ie. Ashtar himself, Soltec, Korton and various other commanders
>>were very urgent in sharing and revealing the etheric reality, and
>>could wake-up a lot of embodied Starseeds who relate to the Ashtar-
>>Command.
>
Allexzander:
>I have found that Ashtar has an incredible energy to him, his simple
>presence can spark change.
It's a tremendous energy he radiates ... I can't describe it ... it's
so powerful in its intensity ... when I had an 'encounter' with him
... it was like anything I knew about my 3D existance was gone, and
love flooded my whole being ... just helping remembering my purpose,
why I'm here ... that's moment I felt timeless ... in the NOW ...
>>Parallel, other lightgroups connected the Melchizdek-Order,
>>Metatron-Group, and several other Angelical Groups etc ... each
>>group woke up their own embodied entities (means, people felt drawn
>>to specific groups, seminars and books or had experiences related
>>to them).
>
>I do remember much of Metatron. I have not read that much from them
>on this plane, however they were instrumental in helping us, many,
>many years ago.
Metatron .... seems we both share the same impressions ... strange, I
didn't talked much at all about Metatron to others, only few face-to-
face ...
,
Rene
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 12:43 PST
From: David Meurin
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>>Dear Rene,
>> Thankyou for sharing this. Several years ago I had an experience
>> like this. I've never discussed it with anyone. While on the sun I
>> felt that there was no space between myself and the other beings-
>> the fire like entities. I was aware of our unity in a way that goes
>> beyond words like brotherhood, friendship, family. In all our words
>> of connection there is a sense of separation. Reading your
>> experience has helped me to understand and accept the reality of my
>> experience. Since that journey, there have been other trips to
>> other places and growing awareness of past lives. I feel like I am
>> becoming who I am.The I is fading, growing into something larger
>> but with less mass. Life in the physical world is becoming like the
>> crest of a wave moving in the ocean. There are no lines to divide
>> things with.
>
>David,
>
>I just wanted to let you know how much truth I am feeling from your
>post here. There are few moments where I have felt such a level of
>sincerity and commitment to this noble event, and this one here is
>certainly one of them. The Directive's goal is final integration
>into Source, the final step to being ONE again. We are all searchers
>for this, your post gives me a warm fuzzy inside to know we are all
>making it!
>
>With life,
>Allexzander
>
Dear Allexzander,
Thankyou for your kind and generous response. A friend told me this
story:
Once upon a time, there was an enormous hole in the ground.
Everyone fell into the hole. Some people tried to climb out, but the
walls were too steep and slippery for the best climbers. The hole was
too deep for the best jumpers. The best builders couldn't find the
materials to make ladders.
Some people gave up trying to get out, deciding that life in a hole
is all there is. "The light coming from above is just an illusion,"
they said. Others tried to develop superhuman jumping and climbing
powers. Many lifetimes were dedicated to this.
Then someone said,"We can help each other to get out of the hole.
If I stand on your shoulders, someone can stand on mine, and one of us
can get to the top. Then he can pull the next person up, and
eventually we can all get out of the hole." - and that's what they
did.
....love, David
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:12 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
> >I do remember much of Metatron. I have not read that much from
> >them on this plane, however they were instrumental in helping us,
> >many, many years ago.
>
>Metatron .... seems we both share the same impressions ... strange, I
>didn't talked much at all about Metatron to others, only few face-to-
>face ...
I have found that Metatron (or any of the trons for that matter) tend
to be more integrated into resolution than conflict, and that is when
you will see them. We finally found them in the last stages, when we
finally realized that you cannot fight fire with fire, Metatron showed
up and simply said, yes.
I remember him, more as a wave, a source of energy rather than a type
of energy. There were no words, just impressions, feelings, love. He
entered the temple of my mind, and in a simple flash became part of
the walls, the curtains. His knowledge would just lie there, as if it
were a thing, not an idea. It was different somehow than Asthar or
Lord Michael. Less of a single entity, and more of a collective. I
know that Metatron represents a group of beings, however that doesn't
prepare you for what that feels like when he surrounds you. You do
become part of that group, but at the same time keep your
individuality.
Very powerful... Allexzander
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:12 MST
From: Marcus Reinart
Subject: Re: The Positive UFO friends?
To: "Light Workers List"
>Hmm, so far I can share some feelings ... as I had to focus myself
>into human-consciousness, as mentioned, I had to learn to focus on
>similar densities on astral-planes, as Sun and Saturn (which I recall
>the best), and I've got a way to keep a matrix, where I could split
>myself into another stream, which I used to project into a human-body
>... I'm not remembering a 'device', much more a matrix which allowed
>me to split into this density as well, I've got lot of assisting of
>entities, I associate with Metatron, which is a 'master' of splitting
>energies ...
Yes, this sounds familiar, not the way I did it, for certain reasons.
I think that this sounds much more like a spirit-based way of doing
the same thing I did on a more physical level. I think that it
depends on the results you want to reach, rather you want to be
conscious of living two simultaneous lives, or want to experience the
true human experience.
Allexzander
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:17:51 -0600
From: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: To All: Positive UFO Friends
To: "Light Workers List"
Hi fellow Lightworkers,
At the moment, here in Chi-Town, I am doing a class called "The
Manifestation of the Aquarian Age" and some of the materials I use
come from post on Internet (newsgroups or in the mailing lists.
An idea came to me that probably in our discussion of the Positive UFO
Friends, exists a sample of the various viewpoints we have about the
Aliens visiting us. Over the next complete of weeks I am going to
join all the messages and come up with a document. Is there anyone
who has participated in these posts that would not like their ideas
shared (as I don't know how the information will go out)? I would be
happy to share a copy of what I come up with to those interested and
we might post this on our Web Site which we hope to get setup in the
next week or two.
I will also be using including information from the threads "Sirian,
Pleidains ..." and Galactic Council Membership"
Always good to ask permission first ....
Thank you, Peace & Light
Joshua
From: "Donna Wilson"
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:22:04 EST5EDT
Organization: Continuing Education, Cornell Univ.
To: RSHAPIRO@INTERACCESS.COM
Subject: DOCUMENT
My dear friend.
Please!
Allow me to confess, though I try to keep up with the posting on the
list my computer time is limited in the extreme. Consequently, I have
found myself wading through piles of messages, reading furiously to
retrieve information and missing more than I dare to imagine.
You have my prayers for your abilities of wisdom, disernment, and
light for your project. I myself have not had the time to respond to
anything, and anyways many with greater knowledge than I seem to be
teaching many lessons here. I, having resolved and embraced myself
the student, would be grateful to you if you would be so kind as to
include me on the list of people you send this marvelous document to.
Then I shall be at ease, feeling as though I have seen a preview of a
"Light-Movie"-"Light-Book" by those who have my heart and energy.
Again, I offer my energies and prayers for your effort. Blessing to
you. I pass on to you a lesson I received through TYME as of our last
session, "When you heal yourself, realize that at that time you are
healing others." The light group is at its own level aware of this,
and no one is now better aware of this than I since I receive much
healing from everyone.
Thank you, Joshua. I favor that name since I read the "Joshua" books
by a priest whose name now escapes me. I love the knowing practices
of breaking down walls which of course is what Joshua is all about.
You seem to fit this, from the posts that I have read. Now other
friends are teaching me that if I cannot break the wall in front of me
then I can metamorphisize to go beyond it. You may break (by the
making of this document) and I will MM, then I will look forward to
seeing a different plane.
Love, light and blessings
Donna Wilson
School of Continuing Education and Summer Sessions
Cornell University
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:31:16 +0100
From: Rene Mueller
Subject: Re: To All: Positive UFO Friends
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Rene, The Master Lightworker, responding to Joshua's
request about sharing this file with others .. hold on ...)
:) Yes ... so far for me, so long the thing isn't sold ... and brought
and shared in an accurate context (ie. lecture and so), my ok you have
... :)
I also thought to collect it ... but if you do it, great :) since your
english and writer-capability is better than mine :)
,
Rene
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:41:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lori E. Tostado"
Subject: Re: To All: Positive UFO Friends
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Lori stepping in to answer Joshua's request ... oh boy ...:-) )
>
Lori here:
(Um, I don't know how much I participated in this, but i did to a
certain extent...) It's OK with me, I liked the discussion a lot.
I'd like to see what you come up with when you're done too Joshua,
please. Thanks,
Lori
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 16:19:39 -0700
From: gerardus
Subject: Re: To All: Positive UFO Friends
To: "Light Workers List"
(*** - Gerardus -- Mr. Joy & Laughter says his opinion now )
Hi Joshua...
I'm not sure whether there was anything from on there, but I'd say:
I'm all in favor! *!* Gerardus
(Editor note: Gerardus you are so ... what is the word, quick somebody
help me out here, you all know what I mean.....)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:15:19 -0800 (PST)
From: "Lori E. Tostado"
To: "Richard L. Shapiro"
Subject: Re: To All: Positive UFO Friends
On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Richard L. Shapiro wrote:
Joshua:
> Thanks Lori, I will send it on when I finish, I will include
> material through today.
>From what I can tell from your various posts, you are a pretty aware
>being, I hope you continue with your insights.
Joshua,
Thank you for this, I also love to see your posts (I usually get
"feelings" about the person writing from how they say things, sort of
like, if I feel like I know this person on another level, it registers
eventually, and there are more than a few people here who seem to
'resonate', if you know what I mean? I get that from you, too.)
>
> I opened this dialogue up because the UFO/Et question is coming up
> this year and I think we need to be aware of all aspects and also to
> help others to understand it.
I'm wondering what you mean by the UFO/ET question coming up this
year...???
What question is it and why this year?
I agree about awareness and understanding it...
(Editor's Note: I answered Lori's question somewhere else and couldn't
find it so I will answer here in this file:
By UFO/ET question I am referring to a definitive answer that we are
most certainly have contact with extraterrestrials beings (as probably
all of the members of this mailing list are aware without any doubt)
but to the common person, they will have some tangible physical proof
that will be difficult to refute!! I say this year, because,
listening to my own inner guidance, one of my invisible friends has
been whispering to watch and pay attention in 1995, that certain
events we know must happen but for some reason haven't fully
manifested will begin in this year, and those of us who have
volunteered to be here (i.e. "The Mission") would soon find ourselves
in deman to help others understand these incredible transformations
(spiritually and dimensionally) which will be catalyzed by the
absolute appearance of UFOs in our skies for all to see and quite
possibly extraterrestrials walking amongst us in their true forms. )
> I hope to finish it by next week. I still need to put it all into
> one file and then I am reformating so I can print it out for my
> class.
>
> Thanks for your participation, I am around if there is any questions
> I can answer, seems these days I have information gushing out ...
> typical Aries
> I guess ..... Joshua
>
Ha ha ha! I guess I don't know any 'typical' Aries (or I just don't
know much about astrology--yeah that's it.) Would you say I'm a
typical Gemini??
:)
If you have any questions for me too, I'd be happy to chat with you.
Peace to you,
Lori
