From csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!uunet!eskimo!carriec Sat Dec 10 03:17:17 1994 Newsgroups: alt.evil Path: csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!olivea!uunet!eskimo!carriec From: carriec@eskimo.com (Carrie Carolin) Subject: Dark Side of the Net #4 (long)D Message-ID: Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 19:21:50 GMT Lines: 522 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* The Dark Side of the Net... Issue #4 updated 12/01/94 List maintained by carriec@eskimo.com *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* This is a list of gothic, wiccan, pagan, vampire, occult, and various other dark resources available on the Internet. The list includes IRC channels, mailing lists, ftp sites, newsgroups, gophers, and E-zines. PLEASE DO NOT REPOST THIS TO ANY USENET NEWSGROUPS! Please send additions/corrections ASAP. This list is normally updated quarterly, but if I get enough pertinent info sooner, the list will come out more often. Please note: A very small handful of pagans are upset with my including of pagan resources in this guide. They object to the use of the word "dark" in reference to paganism, stating (quite correctly) that paganism is in no way Satanic, nor negative (as the word "dark" might imply) and point out that paganism is a positive, life-affirming religion. While I in no way wish to offend any pagans, I will not allow a tiny minority to dictate to me what I include on MY LIST. If you don't like it, don't read this list, or go make your own list or something. What it boils down to (bubble, bubble.. :) is that many of the 1200 readers of this list are BOTH pagans and gothics, or are interested in vampirism AND the occult, and various other combinations of all the interests represented by this list. Stripping out all references to paganism from this list would deprive my gothic, vampiric, and other readers from good information about where to find paganism stuff on the Net. WWW Pages --- ----- These change frequently. Please let me know immediately if one of these pages goes down, or if I have listed your page and you don't want it listed. Use Mosaic, xmosaic, www or lynx to get to these sites and utilize them. Make sure you type everything exactly correctly, or it won't work. I'm proud to announce that FINALLY, The Dark Side of the Net WWW Page (including links to the below pages) is now at http://www.cascade.net/dark.html A Gothic Gateway: http://www.aau.dk/~geomtw Akasha's Home Page: http://www.mit.edu:8001/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/a/k/akasha/www/ Anders Magick Page: http://www.nada.kth.se/~nv91-asa/magick.html A.Nanomius Page (Nostradamus, Antichrist, alien channeling) http://ftp. netcom.com/pub/nanomius/home.html Apoptygma Berzerk Page (music): http://www.ifi.uio.no/~berntr/Discog/apoptygma.html/ Arcana Tarot Card Project: http://oz.sas.upenn.edu/Arcana/ Archive X (paranormal phenomena): http://www.declab.usu.edu:8080/X/ Bauhaus: http://www.evo.org/html/group/bauhaus.html Beauty for Ashes (Truly lovely! Must see!): http://neuromancer.ucr.edu/~fetters/ashes.html Betty's Home Page (pagan): http://www.iia.org/~widersb/BettyHome.html The Brewer's Witch BBS Page (pagan): http://www.sccsi.com/~brewich/ Cabaret Voltaire Page: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~mapnjd/Music/cabaretVoltaire.html The Cabinet of Doctor Casey (horror): http://ee.pdx.edu/~caseyh/horror/horror.html Children of the Night (gothic): http://www.iac.net/cooldir/socketdir/gothpage.html Christian Death Home Page: http://christian-death.acc.brad.ac.uk:/ The Cloisters (music links): http://tardis.soc.staffs.ac.uk/cloister.html The Crow (movie) Page: http://bingen.cs.csbsju.edu/~jpengel/the_crow/The_Crow.html The Crow (movie) Another Page: http://www2.ncsu.edu/unity/users/b/bsspiche/www/crtow/crowpage.html Cult Movie Web Site: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~abormann/ The Cure (band): http://www.acpub.duke.edu/~spawn/album.html Darkwave Home Page: http://www.hut.fi/~omertalo/ The Cure (another): http://www.uq.oz.au/mecheng/home/curehome.html David House's Gothic Page (literature, images) http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~dhouse/ Dead Can Dance: http://www.nets.com/dcd/ Dead Can Dance: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/sfwhite/dcd.html Death In June Depository: http://www.l0pht.com/~oblivion/oblivion.html/ The Dead End (dark poetry): http://www.dur. ac.uk/~d2190e/home.html/ Einsteurzende Neubauten (band): http://www.eecs.nwu.edu/~smishra/ Industrial/en/ ErisNet: http://phoenix.aps.muohio.edu/users/jbfink/ Fields of the Nephilim: http://www.nada.kth.se/~d93-oja/fields_of_the_nephilim.html Feorag's WWW Temple (cool!) http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~feorag/temple/ mainhall.html Front242: http://www.ifi.uio.no/~terjesa/front242/main.html Gateway to Darkness: http://coe1.engr.umbc.edu/~vijay2/ Gothbase: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/people/slin/Gothbase.html The Gothic Corner: http://julmara.ce.chalmers.se/stefan/WWW/Cyberlinks/ gothic.html The Gothic Dome: http://www.lysator.liu.se/~drokk/dome.html G. Othi K. Page: http://www.phlab.missouri.edu/HOMES/c510292_www/gothic/gothic.html The Gothic Music List: http://www.lystator.liu.se/users/drokk/list.html Heather Rose's Gothic Page: http://chico.rice.edu/~busbyhea/gothic.html Gothic Stuff: http://www.crg.cs.nott.ac.uk/~rji/Gothic/index.html Hellraiser FAQ/WWW: http://www.ee.pdx.edu/~caseyh/horror/hellraiser/index.html Horror Web Page: http://www.ee.pdx.edu/~caseyh/ The HodgePodge Transformer (discordian): http://io.com/user/blade/ Horror, Fantasy, and the Grotesque In Art: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~werdna/grotesque/ Howard Phillips Lovecraft: http://elmer-fudd.cs.berkeley.edu/people/davesimp/lovecraft/ H.R. Giger: http://www.twi.tudelft.nl/~vos/H.R.Giger.html HyperDiscordia: http://vaxa.stevens-tech.edu:8000/jofo/ Interview With A Vampyre: http://www.wimsey.com/~bmiddlet/vampyre/faqs/faqs.html Industrial Page: http://www.eecs.nwu.edu:80/~smishra/Industrial/ Irish Pagan Site (weekends, after hours only): http://143.239.128.28/pagan/ Jher's Occult Section (Discordian, Illuminati, Magick, Masonry): http://matrix.eden.com/11/eden/users/jher/occult Leaether Strip (band) http://isl-garnet.uah.edu/psychohttp/ leatherstrip.html/ The Lighter Side of Darkness: http://www.dsv.su.se/~marcus-m/music.html Lord Crypta's Gothic Page: http://sleepwalk.immunbio.mpg.de/gothic/ Lord Purge's Shadowy Realm: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~scottyt/ Lysator: http://ftp.lysator.liu.se/pub/magick/ Magic: The Gathering: http://garlic.com/~ribarbe/magic.html Magic: The Addiction: http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/ammist/magic.html Magic: The Gathering: http://spiderweb.yoyodyne.com/Magic/Magic.Html Magical Blend Magazine Online: http://www.eden.com/magical/main.html Ministry: http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/u/sfwhite/ministry.html Mythtext (mythology, look up gods and goddesses here) http://www.the-wire.com/culture/mythology/mythtext.html Net.Goth Database: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/people/slin/Gothbase.html Nine Inch Nails: http://www.scri.fsu.edu/~patters/nin.html Occult Rituals: http://www.uib.no/zoo/wolf/bjorn/ritual.html Occult Page: http://www.uib.no/zoo/wolf/bjorn/occult.html Oksari's Page (gothic and music links): http://www.hut.fi/~omertalo/* Paganlink: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~feorag/paganlink/ Pagan Page: http://www.brad.ac.uk/"gjhume/Pagan/Pagan.html Rob's Gothic Area: http://www.crg.cs.nott.ac.uk/~rji/ Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~feorag/sram/sraindex.html Shawn Knight's Occult Resources: http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu:8001/usr/sk4p/occult/occult Siouxsie Home Page: http://gothic.acs.csulb.edu:8080/Siouxsie.index.html Sisters of Mercy Home Page: http://www.cm.cf.ac.uk:/Sisters.Of.Mercy/ Skinny Puppy Page: http://www.cling.gu.se/~cl3polof/SP.html Skinny Puppy: http://jupiter.pt.hk-r.se/student/pi92mos/skinny.puppy.html Spirit-WWW (New age, UFO, Yoga, OOBE, not very dark, but kinda cool) http://www.protree.com/Spirit.html The Tapestry (pagan): http://io.com/user/blade/tapestry.html Tarot Reading: http://cad.ucla.edu:8001/tarot Thee Grievous Home Page (links to religious and music pages): http://www.cyberspace.org/u/grievous/www/home_page.html/ This Mortal Coil Page: http://www.evo.org/html/group/thismortalcoil.html Vamp Lestat's Gothic Server: http://gothic.acs.csulb.edu:8080/Gothic/ Vampyres Only: http://www.wimsey.com/~bmiddlet/vampyre/ Wednesday's Magickal Resource Page: http://www.mcs.net/~wednsday/magick.html Witch Directory: http://www.ucmb.ulb.ac.be/~joan/witches/intro.html World of Darkness: http://silver.ucs.indiana.edu/~adashiel/wod/wod.html Xymox (band) http://mcmuse.mc.maricopa.edu/~xymox/xymox.html IRC CHANNELS --- -------- The following channels are usually active 24 hours per day in IRC and generally have several people (more than three) talking in them. #Asatru, #Bondage, #coven, #Cure, #dark, #darkness, #darkrealm (real friendly bunch), #darksex, #darkwave (dark music such as Nurse With Wound, c-93, Inanna..) #death, #death2, #Depeche, #deth, #evil, #flesh, #fullmoon, #goth, #gothic, #lucifer, #magick, #ministry, #moonlight, #pagan, #satan, #skinnypup, #tarot, #thelema, #vampires, #vampyres, #wicca, #wicca101, #wraith. FTP SITES --- ----- ftp.cascade.net in /pub/Paganism/* has just a couple things. In /pub/Gothic/* has info, jpegs from the movies "Dracula" and "The Nightmare b4 Xmas". ftp.netcom.com in pub/Shub has some Chaos, Thelema, and Satan info. goth-ftp.acc.brad.ac.uk in /christian.death.www/lyrics; and in pub/gothic, and /pub/alt.gothic: this site has lots of cool stuff!!! Siouxsie, Shadow Project, Bauhaus, Elvira and more. hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au in /pub/astrology has astrology related text files and software. ftp.maths.tcd.ie /pub/music/gothic ---contains tons of gifs, lyrics, interviews, info, and cool stuff about goth, plus poetry, zines, and short_stories subdirectories; /pub/music/images/netgoths has gifs of gothic net denizens; /pub/images/music/sisters has Sisters of Mercy gifs and jpgs; /pub/music/industrial has a few files. This site is a great resource! wiretap.spies.com ---some info on occult ('Fringe') religions is in /Library/Fringe/Occult. Also info on magick sex. ftp.lysator.liu.se: religion, discordian, pagan, Astrology, Beginner, Books, Celtic, Crystals, Druidism, Rituals, Herbs, History, Healing, Holidays, Moon, Initiaitions, Shamanism, Tarot, Satanism, Zen, Alchemy, Magick, Chaos, Enochian, Golden Dawn, Mysticism, Necronomicon, Quabalah, Tantra, Thelema, and many other topics. Look in /pub/magick and pub/religion/neopagan. There is lots of stuff here! imageek.york.cuny.edu in pub/wicca has tons of stuff, pub/magick, and pub/asatru also. ftp.funet.fi:/pub/doc/religion/occult and pub/doc/religion/paganism: Magick, fonts, Gifs (Crowley, Cybele, Mme. Blavatsky, etc.), hermetica, Crowley, Quabalah, Wicca). GOPHERS ------- gopher.grin.edu in Student Organizations/Pagan Discussion Circle has a few faqs and files about Paganism. gopher.eden.com in The Eden Matrix/Eden Users/jher/Jher's Occult Section/* (Discordian, Illuminati, Subgenius, Magick, Masonry, etc). Gopher to wiretap.spies.com for their collection of info, if it's easier for you than going by ftp. MAILING LISTS ------- ----- Generally, you e-mail the list, with "subscribe " in the text. Example "subscribe dark- shadows carriec@eskimo.com". Some listserv automated lists want you to subscribe with this format "subscribe listname-l Your Real Name". Please remember to send subscribe or unsubscribe messages to the list address with the -request or the name-l, or to the listserv, not to the list. Send submissions to the list (what you want all the other subscribers to see) to the list address without the -request. Please remember that all these lists are FREE; no one is profiting from them. The people maintaining them do so in their spare time, out of their generosity, and they are under no obligation to subscribe you just because you ask. Be nice! :) If you don't get a response from a list after about three days, email the list again (your request might not have gotten there.) If you dont hear back, wait another week or so (someone might be on vacation) and write back a NICE message inquiring as to if the list is still available. If you don't hear back, or if you hear the list is down, please email me and I will remove it from the list. Please remember to be patient! Kate Bush: love-hounds-request@eddie.mit.edu Clive Barker: DreadNet (mail maiser@cgs.auburn.edu with subscribe in subject header and subscribe dreadnet yourname@host in body text. cthulhu (H.P. Lovecraft): cthulhu-request@cs.qmw.ac.uk dark side of the net (this list): carriec@eskimo.com (subscribe dark side yourname@host). Quarterly. Deviants (weirdness): deviants-request@csv.warwick.ac.uk echoes (Pink Floyd) echoes-request@fawnya.tcs.com Gothic-Tales (bloody, dark stories): carriec@eskimo.com (subscribe gothic yourname@host). janes-addiction: (The band) janes-addiction-request@ms.uky.edu - This is probably the last Dark Side this listing will be on, as Jane's Addiction really isn't what I'd call 'dark' music. Masonic Digest (info about fraternal orders and Free Masonry): ptrei@mitre.org. pagan (the religion): pagan-request@drycas.club.cc.cmu.edu Philip K Dick: (The author) PKD-list-request@wang.com Satellite of Love News (Mst3k): soln-request@gynko.circ.upenn.edu Siouxsie and the Banshees: listserv@brownvm.brown.edu, body text: subscribe satb-l Your Name Sisters of Mercy: dominion-request@ohm.york.ac.uk Smiths-fans (the band): larryn@csufres.csufresno.edu Twilight Zone (the e-zine): r.c.Karsmakers@stud.let.ruu.nl Zen Buddhism: zendo-request@lysator.liu.se (well, Zen Buddhism isn't very dark... usually...) NEWSGROUPS ---------- alt.angst - Anxiety and other such whining. alt.astrology - Divination by the stars. alt.basement.graveyard - might be interesting. alt.cult-movies.evil-deads - The Evil Dead movies and more.. alt.divination - predicting the future; seeing beyond the veil. alt.evil - might not be available at all sites. alt.folklore.ghost-stories - Creepy things... alt.gothic - Gothic music and lifestyle. Quite active newsgroup. alt.horror - Discussion of the genre in literature, and more. alt.horror.cthulhu - The roleplaying game, and HP. Lovecraft. alt.horror.werewolves - Discussion of werewolves past & present. alt.pagan - Nature religion/Polytheism discussion group. alt.magick - The practice of magick. alt.magick.chaos - offshoot of above alt.magick.sex - alt.magick.tyagi - I dont understand this group personally! alt.illuminati - The role playing game, or the conspiracy. alt.meditation - this could be dark if you are a strange person. alt.meditation.transcendental - not very active newsgroup, but... alt.music.nin - Nine Inch Nails music group. alt.mythology - not very dark, but lots of good info alt.necromicon - For discussion of the Necronomicon. alt.out-of-body - more New Agey than dark. alt.paranet.paranormal - Strange experiences. alt.paranormal - Discussion of paranormal experiences & research. alt.personals.bondage - not as active as alt.sex.bondage alt.religion.sabean alt.religion.shamanism alt.sex.bestiality - mostly jokes, little serious discussion. alt.sex.bondage - quite active newsgroup, high noise level. alt.sex.cthulhu - bizarre. alt.satanism and alt.satannet - Satanism the religion. alt.tarot - Discuss your favorite decks, methods, and interpretations. alt.techno-shamanism alt.vampyres - Discussion of vampirism past and present. alt.obituaries - how dark can you get? Read about the dead! alt.magick.chaos - Chaos Magick alt.magick.sex - using magick to enhance sex. alt.sex.fetish.waifs - for those of us who like small pale things. rec.music.industrial - discussions of industrial music. E-ZINES ------- Please keep in mind that these are Ezines and arrive to your email box. DON'T send your real address when subscribing (what, do you think somebody is going to spend their money on postage to send their zine to you? I highly doubt it! :) The difference between an Ezine and a mailing list is usually that an ezine arrives once, or once a month, and is a one-way list, while a mailing list will generally arrive more frequently, and contain messages from the other subscribers. Black Roses Quarterly (may be only a Snailmail zine?) "Supernatural fiction a la the Twilight Zone). For info mail lawjdp@gsusgi2.gsu.edu. Cousins - This is described as "A place for the Witches, pagans, nature spirits, fey-folk, and assorted elder kin of Sherwood to share ideas, challenges, dreams, and projects, and to stir up a little magic of our own." Editor's address is: sjgavula@terminator.rs.itd.umich.edu. This is archived at ftp etext.archive.umich.edu in pub/Zines/Cousins Dead Angel - obscure music, dark art, interviews with bands. Email chinawhite@delphi.com and ask nicely for a copy or a subscription. Ego Project - Gothic ezine dealing usually with Sisters of Mercy, The Mission, and other music groups. Mail ieya@byron.u.washington.edu. This may be archived at gopher.well.sf.ca.us. The Neon Gargoyle Gazette - Horror-related Ezine featuring horror related cinema, poetry, history of horror, horror art, and professional makeup techniques. Mail aa666@po.cwru.edu. Soae - This is published weekly, and covers heavy gothic metal, grindcore, and hardcore music. Email Phil.Powell@ launchpad.unc.edu. Archived at ftp: etext.archive.umich.edu in /pub/Zines/Screams.of.Abel. Strangeways E-zine is available at gopher/Princeton University Press/Internet Text/Ezines/Strangeways. MISC INFO --------- "A Mage's Guide to the Internet" by Frater I Nigris (tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com) is a great resource on Magick, mysticism, and occultism on the Net. Lots of mailing addresses, ftp sites, and gopher info. It's available by ftp at: netcom.com /pub/alamut/mageguide, or quartz.rutgers.edu /pub/occult/mages- guide, or from gopher at Clearinghouse of Subject Oriented Internet Resource Guides (UMich). MUDS/Mushes ----------- Following is a list of Multi User Dungeons and related role playing games on the Net, which might tend to have a gothic flavour. This is highly subject to interpretation, of course, so explore at your own risk. My opinion of if a mud is gothic or not will most likely differ from many other people's. If you try a mud and it doesn't seem gothic enough for you, then don't play it, and go find another one. :) I've tried to include mainly Muds that echo standard gothic themes (Vampires, graveyards, dark places). I included Medievia, for example, even though it's set in the Middle Ages, because it has a lot of dark places (graveyard, temples, caverns) and because you can die there, and death is soooo gothic. (grin). Awakening Mush: 192.33.116.67 9999 Theme: Pennsylvania, Fort Duquesne. White Wolf(tm) system. Mage: The Ascenscion. City of Darkness Mush: 130.88.240.110 2000 Theme: Another WhiteWolf(tm) themed game. CryptMush: 128.205.3.103 7171 Theme: A world of gothic horror. Loosely based on RavenLoft(tm). The Damned Mush: 128.2.21.7 6250 Theme: White Wolf's(tm) Storyteller gaming system. Gothic, Pittsburgh. Edge of Darkness: edge.uccs.edu 2001 - Medievalish, but not very gothic or dark. dunno why I list it here. I guess I just like it. :) Medievia Diku Mud: intense.netaxs.com 4000. Theme: Medieval. This features over 6000 rooms to explore, purchase and decoration/description of a home, (but no building opportunities), player kills, monster kills, accumulation of gold, jewelery, spells, potions, armour, weapons, bridal veils and other assorted goodies. Places to visit include temples, caves, a Labyrinth, a castle, a graveyard, a mauseoleum, and streets with shops. Players here are pretty friendly and helpful, which makes me think this really isn't a very dark mud after all. :) This features ansi color. Vampire: The Masquerade phobos.unm.edu 4444 ------------------------------------------------------------------ This concludes Dark Side of The Net #4. Email carriec@eskimo.com with your corrections, changes, and abuse. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*