
Message #329 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 26-Mar-94 17:22
From: Steve Young
To:   All
Subj: Doors and the like..
Next Reply is Message #342

Well, Pagan is cool, although I don't see how you guys got away with making
an  actual ULTIMA not take place in brittania.. the title should have been
Ultima:  Stranded on Pagan or something...  But, The game seems to be a lot
harder than  Ultima 7, especially the combat..!! A few tips for eveveryone. 
The currency is the obsidian chip, I find that the easiest way to make money
is to first go to that decrepit building, just west of the Nwestern gate of
the castle in Tenebrae, go in there and take some gems, youll get about
four.. sell them to  that woman who husband got executed, youll get about 42
obsidian.. Buy an Axe,  go either to the plateau(if you've passed the cave)
or out the west gate of  tenebrae.. (by the way, the screen is at an angleand
the map isn't labled, so I think of north going toward the NORTHEAST corner
of the screen..

              West      North
                   \   /
  the screen ->
                   /   \
               south    east


   Anyway, go out the west exit, and find those Changling guys. They will
most  probably look just like you, the avatar, since they are dopplegangers.
Kill  those guys, they will give you about 10 obsidian 50 percent of the
time, and  they will also give you flasks O' Oil and Chaos and Fire gems,
which are cool.

So now kill a whole lot of those changlngs, and get lots o cash.. like
enough for a broad(long)sword and some armour (buy the armour first, as soon
as you get the cash for it.) Then go through the caves to that one guy on the
plateau (forgot his name, starts with an M i think)nd buy your first
spell.(to get throgh his defenses, just run through the electric gate when
the light is OFF)
Youll want to go see the necromancer next, hes east of tenebrae. hell tell
you to get a dagger from the tempest of tenebrae. You get the keys to the
tempests chest from that girl in the palcae who serves her food, talk to her
to get the key (at her house, during bloodwatch.)  I cant figure out HOW TO
UNLOCK THE DOOR TO THE TEMPESTS CHAMBERS.. will someone pleeze tell me where
to ge lockpicks, or the key to her chambers in the palace, or how to bash
down or door or something!  This is where I am stuck..  I apologize to any
origin staff for giving away too much of the beginning of the game, but your
walkthrough wasn't quite enough for many people maybe..  I also apologize to
origin for getting so far in Ultima 8 on the second day after it was
released, I guess beating the last 10 Ultima type games gave me some
experience...




Message #342 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 26-Mar-94 20:43
From: Chris Shelton
To:   Steve Young
Subj: Re: Doors and the like..
Previous Reply is Message #329.  Next Reply is Message #367

They key is under the Skull cushion on the table (bottom left side of the 
throne room).

-Chris


        If I think that you are talking about the area where there is a kith
inside the gate, the lever is inside the house.


Message #367 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 27-Mar-94 04:45
From: Johnathan Elsea
To:   Steve Young
Subj: Re: Doors and the like..
Previous Reply is Message #342.  Next Reply is Message #480

If you got through the cave how did you do it.


Dear All:
   I have made it through the cave and met the mage on the platue.  I have 
just reached the Necromancer's place and a guy told me to get the "special" 
dagger back for them.  So I went to the castle and went into the "queens" 
room, in the corner of the room was a smaller room (in which was a chest) but
the door was locked ad I can't find the key to it.  I really need help if 
anyone knows how to open the door to that small room with the treasure boxin 
it them please reply... Please hurry.... I am at my wits end....

P.S. Dracolich was here <grin>


Message #375 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 27-Mar-94 08:09
From: Johnathan Elsea
To:   Kyle Mannerberg
Subj: Re: Ultima8-Necromancer's Dagger
Previous Reply is Message #371.  Next Reply is Message #386

        What is the easiest way of getting throught the cave I keep falling
in the water and dieing.


Message #386 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 27-Mar-94 15:20
From: Dan Crookston
To:   Kyle Mannerberg
Subj: Re: Ultima8-Necromancer's Dagger
Previous Reply is Message #375.  Next Reply is Message #396

I was trying to get through the cave and couldn't figure out how to get
through the two gates. Could you please tell me the combination to the
levers.
                                                        Thanks

                                                          Dan



Message #396 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 27-Mar-94 20:29
From: Chris Shelton
To:   Kyle Mannerberg
Subj: Re: Ultima8-Necromancer's Dagger
Previous Reply is Message #386.  Next Reply is Message #459

Talk to the Queen's maid.  She'll tell you to meet her at her house. 
Question  her, and she'll give you the key.

-Chriss


Message #397 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 27-Mar-94 20:33
From: Chris Shelton
To:   Rodger Zubarik
Subj: Re: On Pagan

IF you get a response to the request for the hack code, please pass it on to 
me.  I've got a few people over on Prodigy (including myself) who would like 
to know the code.

Thanks...

-Chriss


Message #472 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 01:29
From: Johnathan Elsea
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Pagan
Next Reply is Message #487

        How d I use the Open Earth spell. Right now I'm at the great wall
(What I think is the entrence into the catacombs) and I'm have no Idea what I
am suppose to do. I do have the Earth Magic book and the reagements to cast
the spell but I don't know how to cast it.

        Also I'm in the part where Bentic has been Be-headed, and Deven is
in  jail what am I suppose to do, I cant figure out a way to get into the
area  where they confunscated his book in the dungion.
Thanks!! TTyl


Message #476 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 03:21
From: Mike Chavez
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Pagan
Next Reply is Message #478


I'm stuck at a part where Devon got thrown in jail... What am I supposed to
do now? Also the Necromancer sent me to look for sticks and a exectuioners 
hood, where do I find em? Also, what's the highest that your strenght gets? 
I'm at 25 now and it hasn't gotten higher in a LONG while.. thanks in advance
for any help!

-Mike


Message #478 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 03:48
From: Johnathan Elsea
To:   Mike Chavez
Subj: Re: Pagan
Previous Reply is Message #476.  Next Reply is Message #489

        You will find the executioners helm between the cemetery and east
tenebrae, when you exit the cemetery just go south for about 10-15 steps or
so then east and you will run into it.

        the sticks are in the poor part of the city to the NW side you will
know when you are close because you will see a ghost and some ghouls. the
sticks are around a tree in that area.


Message #480 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 09:38
From: Nathan Basarich
To:   Steve Young
Subj: Re: Doors and the like..
Previous Reply is Message #367.  Next Reply is Message #507

hi.  i'm stuck in the same place you are. it took me 2 days to get there and
i've been there ever since.  please let me know if you get in the bedroom,
and i'll do the same.                                       thanks,          
                                                      nathan basarich

Message #487 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 10:55
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Johnathan Elsea
Subj: Re: Pagan
Previous Reply is Message #472.

John,

Just like VIVIDOS told you. Put the reagents in a separate bag and use the
Key  on the bag. If you were not listening to the people, it might be a good
idea  and go back to hear them. The clues will help you out as they will
become few  and far between.

Thanks,
DanO


Message #489 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 11:17
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Mike Chavez
Subj: Re: Pagan
Previous Reply is Message #478.

Mike,

>MC  supposed to do now? Also the Necromancer sent me to look for sticks
>MC  and a exectuioners hood, where do I find em? Also, what's the highest
The executioners' hood is east of the EAST ROAD (long road before you head 
through to map where Vividos is.)  Right before you go north through wall
head East and to the place of the Executioners' Hood.

The WOOD is up in the North portion of West TENABRAE. You will see a ruined
house with a tree in the corner with sticks by it.

THanks,
DanO


Message #495 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 12:21
From: Henry Truong
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: My first bug and Im stuck.. :)
Next Reply is Message #575

Hey there, how have u been? Well, I just bought Pagan and the speech pack and
am very impressed, but I was the at the 5th Necromancer Quest under the 
catacombs and found a bug, or I dont know if its intentional, on the WEst 
Wall, by the little cave with a web and a kith, there looks like an opening
on  the left and I entered it, it became a secret door like, and if I went
west,  all of a sudden I would see my guy running with all of his animation
frames  trailing behind him, and then I followed the "real" cavern walls from
the behind and it took me out to where the last necromancer was..
interesting.. Now, Im suppoed to make a golem, but I cant find mud anywhere
to create one, do I have to go outside first? And then back in?  or is there
mud in the  catacombs to get to stone cove, which I cant find???!!  I found a
pit, with dirt in it, but its too small to create a golem.. please help.
Thanks again.
Henry


Message #496 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 12:31
From: Dan Crookston
To:   All
Subj: magic weapons
Next Reply is Message #538

I keep on running into skeletons and I cannot kill them
. Do I need a magic weapon to fight them, and if so where can I find one.
                                                        Thanks
                                                          Dan


Message #499 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 15:06
From: Dan Crookston
To:   Chris Shelton
Subj: Re: Gates
Previous Reply is Message #365.  Next Reply is Message #506

Chris,
What you need to do is to pull each lever and watch to see if the wench in
the  center moves. You know you got it when the screen shakes.
                                        Dan


Message #500 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 14:29
From: Thomas Beeker
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Which house...
Next Reply is Message #578

Good afternoon Dan,
        Which house is the queens handmaids house...? Also I was in a cave 
over by the plateau and I went in and there were a bunch of holes in the wall
that spit fire (for lack of a better word) "bullets" and fireball
throwers...  anyway at the and of this tunnel there is a Huge door and 2
invisible men With glowing red eyes... is this the King of the mountains hall
or what and where do I get the key for that door If it helps I got the hammer
of strenght in the lower right hand corner  of that cave... Thanks...

                        L8A,
                        Thomas Beeker



Message #506 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 15:57
From: Zane Abernathy
To:   Chris Shelton
Subj: Re: Gates
Previous Reply is Message #499.

The gates are opened by first switching the levers on one side until it saids
ithe  lever is broken then goto the other three ..do the same..you will feel
a  big crake...

Now, go back out to the single winch and lever, switch the lever and the
gates  will open.

PS. Do you know were the jeweler's house is?  I can find here but can't find
her house.


Message #507 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 15:59
From: Zane Abernathy
To:   Steve Young
Subj: Re: Doors and the like..
Previous Reply is Message #480.  Next Reply is Message #537

Where is the jeweler's house?  I can't find it...I can find and talk to the 
weaver/jewelr, but can't find her house.


Message #521 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 19:22
From: Mike Strauss
To:   Kyle Mannerberg
Subj: Re: Ultima8-Necromancer's Dagger
Previous Reply is Message #459.  Next Reply is Message #553

Go to the house of the girl that serves Mordea. Do this at Bloodwatch, and
the  door will be unlocked (wooden house to the east side of tenbrae)
She'll give you help

        Mike Strauss


Message #535 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 22:00
From: Geoff Bailey-gates
To:   All
Subj: caves

Is the cave that leads to the necromancer the one with stepping stones  and
the levers?  How do I get past the levers?  If it isn't that cave,  which one
is it?  I just started Pagan and already I am stuck!

Message #537 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 28-Mar-94 22:09
From: Geoff Bailey-gates
To:   Zane Abernathy
Subj: Re: Doors and the like..
Previous Reply is Message #507.

I am pretty sure that the jewelers house is in the Southwest part of  town. 
From the main road (the one that goes through the palace and the  bridges)
there are four ways to enter the city. Try the path on the  SouthWest.  It is
a stone building.  It took me three days to find it!!

Message #538 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 22:13
From: Geoff Bailey-gates
To:   Dan Crookston
Subj: Re: magic weapons
Previous Reply is Message #496.

You can't kill skeletons, at least I don't think you can.  What I do is  beat
on them until they collapse, then I run past them.  If your lucky  you'll
have time to search them, before you run.


Message #543 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 23:52
From: Zane Abernathy
To:   Geoff Bailey-gates
Subj: jeweler's house..

I hate to bother you directly, but you have been the only one to respond to
my msg.

I have searched the poor section of town (SW direction from central
building).
I've spent the last two days searching for her house.  I am stuck until I
get my jems exchanged.
I've gotten the hammer of strength, my first spell...and found some deadly 
places.  (NW of  poor section behind water fall) (NE of rich side) and
several  pits and pit canverns.

I know the location of the smithy, tavern, the avatar's friends house, and
the  woman that be-heads people.
With the above places, could narrow the building down for me.  I would
greatly  be thankful.

Have you gotten drunk yet( the avatar...not you personnally <grin>).?
or, climbed around on top of buildings...I have found that if the door is 
locked, then try to get in from the roof.  IT works HEH.

Thanx, again for your help.


Message #544 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 28-Mar-94 23:04
From: Dan Penney
To:   All
Subj: U8
Next Reply is Message #562

Hey, does anyone know if there is a way to bash open locked chests like in
the  oters..? I am walking around with 11 bucks and a stupid dagger..I tried
to  steal but guess who shows up and says "hello"  :) I was disappoited that
it is  so hard to steal stuff.  heck in serpent isle, i beat the whole game
and never  paid for a dang thing (besides regents and training..) and once i
got the  silver seed I didn't even buy them anymore..so....I guess I am gonna
have to  scrimp and save untill I can afford a sword. and also how do you use
potions  on otere characters? or can you... well that's all I have to ask
about..
L8a


Message #546 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 29-Mar-94 00:03
From: Merrill Davis
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Ground Doesn't Stop Shaking
Next Reply is Message #601

Hi!  I just got Ultima 8 and have completed the game up to the point
where I have brought the dagger back to the Necromancer and he begins
his death ceremony, but when the ghouls come up from the ground
the Earth starts shaking and it never quits.  I can use ALT-X to
quit but no other commands work.  Do you know what might be wrong?



Message #551 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 29-Mar-94 01:41
From: Chris Shelton
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Moriens
Next Reply is Message #604

Where is Moriens?  After completing the quest for Lithos, the necromancer has
sent me after this guy.  I noticed the Key of Scion works on one of the doors
in the upper crypt (one with a plaque mentioning fate), but I've not found
anything behind that door except for the one item in the chest.  Is Moriens 
here?  If no, where is he?

Thanks...

-Chris


Message #553 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 02:26
From: Troy Caya
To:   Kyle Mannerberg
Subj: Re: Ultima8-Necromancer's Dagger
Previous Reply is Message #521.

Head East after you first walk through the main gates into the city. 
Immediately follow the road south then east.Around the southeast corner
of this area of the map is a wooden house with double doors. During the time
of bloodwatch, there will be a girl here. If you have already spoken to the 
necromancer, then you will get the option of asking her about the dagger...
GOOD LUCK.  Troy



Message #557 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN" (RECEIVED)
Date: 29-Mar-94 01:32
From: Chris Badger
To:   Dan Orzulak
Subj: Pagan-Pit of Death
Next Reply is Message #607

I'am trying to find Lithos the Mountain King but seem to be lost.  I have
gotten past the Necromancers and found my way into Stone Cove.  After
wandering around there for a million years and using the Golem to open
a few doors, I came too a place called the Pit of Death.  As far as I can
see there isn't much there, but I can't think of any other place to go.
Am I way off track, or is the path to Lithos Near. A point in the right
direction would be appreciated.  Thanks.

P.S.  After wandering around the Pit of Death I came across a bug.  If you
      go to the corner with a torcher chair in it,  you can climb up it and
      get on top of the catecomb walls.


Message #562 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 03:03
From: Joseph Follett
To:   Dan Penney
Subj: U8
Previous Reply is Message #544.

In a message to All <03-28-94 23:04> Dan Penney wrote:
 
>DP  Hey, does anyone know if there is a way to bash open locked chests
>DP  like in the oters..? I am walking around with 11 bucks and a stupid
>DP  dagger..I tried to steal but guess who shows up and says "hello"  :)
>DP  I was disappoited that it is so hard to steal stuff.  heck in serpent
>DP  isle, i beat the whole game and never paid for a dang thing (besides
>DP  regents and training..) and once i got the silver seed I didn't even
>DP  buy them anymore..so....I guess I am gonna have to scrimp and save
>DP  untill I can afford a sword. and also how do you use potions on otere
>DP  characters? or can you... well that's all I have to ask about..
>DP  L8a
>DP  
 
Go to the north part of Tenebrae. Go past the Tempest Palace and back  into
the wilderness. There should be a Shepherd lady around there with  her
Thorax's. Inside her house you'll find a Rapier and some money. Go  ahead and
steal it, most of the time she's not there and will not see  you. Also, if
you want a free axe go to the poor part of town to the  west. Go into the
wilderness and follow the river to its source.  There'll be a waterfall there
with a ghoul. Dodge the ghoul or kill  him, climb up the ledge next to the
waterfall and follow it upwards.  You'll find a secret cave in there. Watch
out for the skeleton when you  first enter. Keep on running and try to avoid
the falling stalactites  and stalagmites on the ground. You'll find a chest
behind a gate, pull  the lever and you'll get an axe and some armor. Also,
pull the other  lever for a neat effect. The whole screen will be upside
down! I don't  know what the purpose of this is. Well, there's just a few
tips on how  to get some free stuff. If you ever make it to the hermit guy up
on the  plateau make sure you steal his 137 coins.



Message #569 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 05:50
From: Michael Edison
To:   All
Subj: ultima 8: pagan

Anybody happen to know where moriens was born?  I know where he's  buried. .
.or is it somewhere around the ancient temple (where I am  now)?

Message #575 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 08:03
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Henry Truong
Subj: Re: My first bug and Im stuck.. :)
Previous Reply is Message #495.

Henry,

>HT  Hey there, how have u been? Well, I just bought Pagan and the speech
>HT  pack and am very impressed, but I was the at the 5th Necromancer
>HT  Quest under the catacombs and found a bug, or I dont know if its
>HT  intentional, on the WEst Wall, by the little cave with a web and a
>HT  kith, there looks like an opening on the left and I entered it, it
>HT  became a secret door like, and if I went west, all of a sudden I
>HT  would see my guy running with all of his animation frames trailing
>HT  behind him, and then I followed the "real" cavern walls from the
>HT  behind and it took me out to where the last necromancer was..
Sorry, found it first.

>HT  in?  or is there mud in the  catacombs to get to stone cove, which I
In the very SE portion of the Catacombs (You entered with Open Earth Spell)
there is a door that leads to another portion that is cave-like instead of
buriel crypt. Just follow it south and you will go find a fire-shooter near a
switch. The door just south of there is what you need to go through.

Thanks,
DanO


Message #578 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 08:14
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Thomas Beeker
Subj: Re: Which house...
Previous Reply is Message #500.

Thomas,

>TB          Which house is the queens handmaids house...? Also I was in a
She is in EAST TENABRAE. Close to the middle. Just open the door and it is a
one level square house. Aramina should be walking around if not just go away
and sleep then return.

>TB  there is a Huge door and 2 invisible men With glowing red eyes... is
>TB  this the King of the mountains hall or what and where do I get the
Don't worry about that place yet because there is nothing you need. You will
want to come back to this during the end of the game.

Thanks,
DanO






Message #604 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 10:04
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Chris Shelton
Subj: Re: Moriens
Previous Reply is Message #551.

Chris,

The tomb of Moriens is the one with the Plaque "you travel towards your
fate",  around the middle area. Use the Key of Scions on the door.

Thanks,
DanO




Message #607 "ULTIMA 8: PAGAN"
Date: 29-Mar-94 10:23
From: Dan Orzulak
To:   Chris Badger
Subj: Re: Pagan-Pit of Death
Previous Reply is Message #557.

Chris,

If you went to Stone Cove (SE corner of the Tomb/Crypt place and then follow
it south to a new map that has a set of double doors and then a door to the 
right of that. Just create a golem to open the door then go in and follow it 
to the mountain king.

Thanks,
DanO


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