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;;; Answers to Questions about Artificial Intelligence *************
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;;; Written by Mark Kantrowitz
;;; ai_6.faq 

If you think of questions that are appropriate for this FAQ, or would
like to improve an answer, please send email to mkant+ai-faq@cs.cmu.edu.

Please note that the FTP Resources are now split across parts 5 and 6
of the AI FAQ.

Note: Question [5-2] is split across parts 5 and 6.

Part 6 (FTP Resources):
  [5-2b] FTP and Other Resources: Qualitative Reasoning -- Theorem Proving
  [6-1]  AI Bibliographies available by FTP
  [6-2]  AI Technical Reports available by FTP
  [6-3]  Where can I get a machine readable dictionary, thesaurus, and
         other text corpora?
  [6-4]  List of Smalltalk implementations.
  [6-5]  AI-related CD-ROMs
  [6-6]  World-Wide Web (WWW) Resources

Search for [#] to get to question number # quickly.

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Subject: [5-2b] FTP and Other Resources: Qualitative Reasoning -- 
                Theorem Proving

Qualitative Reasoning/Qualitative Physics:

   QSIM     -- cs.utexas.edu:/pub/qsim
               Contact: Ben Kuipers <kuipers@cs.utexas.edu>

   QPE      -- multivac.ils.nwu.edu:/pub/QPE
               contact: Prof. Kenneth D. Forbus <forbus@ils.nwu.edu>
               Qualitative Process Engine (an implementation of QP theory)

Robotics (Planning Testbeds and Simulators):

   See Steve Hanks, Martha E. Pollack, and Paul R. Cohen, "Benchmarks,
   Test Beds, Controlled Experimentation, and the Design of Agent
   Architectures", AI Magazine 14(4):17-42, Winter 1993.

   The ARS MAGNA abstract robot simulator provides an abstract world in
   which a planner controls a mobile robot. This abstract world is more
   realistic than typical blocks worlds, in which micro-world simplifying
   assumptions do not hold. Experiments may be controlled by varying
   global world parameters, such as perceptual noise, as well as building
   specific environments in order to exercise particular planner
   features. The world is also extensible to allow new experimental
   designs that were not thought of originally. The simulator also
   includes a simple graphical user-interface which uses the CLX
   interface to the X window system. ARS MAGNA can be obtained by
   anonymous ftp from 
      ftp.cs.yale.edu:/pub/nisp 
   as the file ars-magna.tar.Z. Installation instructions are in the file
   Installation.readme. The simulator is written in Nisp, a macro-package
   for Common Lisp. Nisp can be retrieved in the same way as the
   simulator. Version 1.0 of the ARS MAGNA simulator is documented in
   Yale Technical Report YALEU/DCS/RR #928, "ARS MAGNA: The Abstract
   Robot Simulator". This report is available in the distribution as a
   PostScript file. Comments should be directed to Sean Philip
   Engelson <engelson@cs.yale.edu>.

   Erratic, a mover a week, isn't feeding
and yet seems playful and content. Anyone have a clue? 

Gary


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From: wingnut4@ix.netcom.com (Let's do lunch!)
Newsgroups: rec.humor
Subject: Re: FUCK You ALL...
Date: 14 Sep 1996 03:12:12 GMT
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FUCK VW VANS!
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From: dmunro@sfu.ca (duncan munro)
Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.misc
Subject: Re: ibm1s506.add busmaster settings?
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 03:32:13 GMT
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benantanaitis@usa.pipeline.com(Ben A) wrote:

>RE UMC PCI Bus mastering drivers. 
> 
>They exist.  They are used with the SHUTTLE HOT-433 motherboard.  They work
>for OS/2 2.1 and 
>WARP.   
> 
>Now... where to get'em..... 
>http://www.zdnet.com/netbiz/shuttle/uk/cartem.html#400 
>and 
>http://router.patch.net/~gtolar/shuttle 
> 
>Make sure the drivers (there are two different ones for two versions of the
>UMC chips) are the exact ones you need. 
>Also make sure the installation program put the .sys, .add, or .flt into
>the right os2 directory for the version of os/2 you are using  \os2 in 2.1
>and os2\boot in warp. 
> 
>Good luck.  They make a great performance improvement. 
>-- 
> 
>Ben Antanaitis

Ben, thanks. This is the MB that I am using . When I install the umc
driver it complains about not being able to detect the chipset when
warp boots. I have examined the MB and it does use a UMC8886bf
chipset. any Ideas about where Im going wrong?

Thanks again,

Duncan


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I'm just going to sit back and lurk for a while.
Sablaranth

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From: Thierry Moreau <74261.1240@CompuServe.COM>
Newsgroups: sci.crypt
Subject: Re: PEKE: public-domain D-H alternative
Date: 14 Sep 1996 03:37:45 GMT
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Mike Just wrote:

> Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't your "new scheme"
> simply use Blum-Goldwasser encryption as a method
> of key transfer?

Close, but actually no.

Probabilistic Encryption Key Exchange (PEKE) [1] [2] is a two-way protocol.
Public key encryption (RSA, Blum-Goldwasser, or Williams(Rabin)) as a
method of key transfer is a one-way protocol where the receiving party
RELIES ON THE SENDER'S RANDOM KEY SOURCE.

Incidentally, PEKE was invented in looking for a replacement to the
Diffie-Hellman protocol when RSADSI and Cylink were suing each other
and a D.-H. license appeared as a very remote possibility. Since then, I
learnt that the COMSET protocol [3] is indeed another D.-H. alternative.
I would qualify COMSET as an extension of Williams(Rabin) encryption
as a method of key transfer.

Moreover, strictly speaking, PEKE does not "encrypt" a key. The key
"comes out" of the protocol exchange (through the BBS pseudo-random
generator). This difference from "key transfer" brings no obvious security
advantage (but it is proposed as a mean to repel chosen-ciphertext attacks).

In cryptography, there are subtle properties that can turn an
appealing scheme into a troublemaker (for instance encryption
before digital signature). PEKE differentiation from "Blum-Goldwasser
encryption as a method of key transfer" provides that kind of
subtle desirable properties.

Cheers,

Thierry Moreau

[1]  Moreau, Thierry, "Probabilistic Encryption Key Exchange",
     Electronics Letters, Vol. 31, number 25, 7th December 1995, pp
     2166-2168

[2]  Moreau, Thierry, "Apparatus and Method for Cryptographic System
     Users to Obtain a Jointly Determined, Secret, Shared, and Unique
     Bit String", Canadian patent application number 2,156,780, filed
     on August 23, 1995, laid-open to the public on September 23, 1995,
     CONNOTECH Experts-conseils Inc., Montreal, Canada

[3]  Bosselaers, Antoon, and Preneel, Bart (editors), "Integrity Primitives
     for Secure Information Systems", Final Report of RACE Integrity
     Primitive Evaluation, RIPE-RACE 1040, Springer, LNCS 1007, 1995

-- 
Thierry Moreau                              e-mail 74261.1240@compuser
president                                   Tel.: +1-514-385-5691
CONNOTECH Experts-conseils Inc.             Fax: +1-514-385-5900
9130 Place de Montgolfier/ Montreal, Qc /Canada H2M 2A1
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From: ffprotsq@myna.com (Tarik S. Qahawish)
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This is a newsgroup for rntrepreneurs who wnat resources to better manage 
their business, not an onfomercial club for crab and false skeems. Please 
clean up you act
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From: Aeoleus <osiris@net-link.net>
Newsgroups: alt.tasteless
Subject: Re: Distruction of PEACE symbol .. The Dove
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:23:30 -0400
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The Checkered Demon wrote:
> 
> Now -- tell us the *real* reason you pick on little ol' defenseless birds,
> Johnny Reb. Could it be to compensate for the shrivelled manhood under
> those yellowed BVDs? Maybe it's 'cause birds, unlike women, can't laugh at
> you while you fuck 'em...

Now maybe it's just me.  Or maybe it's because I'm new.  But I thought
long
and hard about why this discussion is occuring in a.t and I came up with
zero reasons.  Then I counted again.  Same Number.  Zero.  I figure in
a.t,
someone would be wise enough to say, "Look here, boys.  Go ahead and hug
your tree, as long as you're sticking your member in a knothole at the
time, while getting a decent handjob from the squirrel that resides
therein!"  And if the little bugger won't give you a handjob, then, by
all
means, take him out of there with your bare hands, wrap some duct tape
around him, and shove him up your ass!  Then do your own handjob.

Maybe I'm only speaking for myself, and maybe I'm speaking for other
readers of this group, when I say FUCK TREE HUGGERS! (But only if
they're
females with diamond studded nipple rings!)

ObT (Story): I remember the first time I whacked myself a squirrel with
a 20 ga.  I was using a #6, which can spread a decent pattern, and steel
shot, so the river ducks wouldn't get lead poisoning.  Anyhow, he was
hiding from me, running back and forth around the trunk of the tree. So
I had my father run around the other side of the tree and scare him my
way.  Then I let loose a round.  Now this little bugger was about 20
feet
up in the tree already, and when the pattern hit him, he flew up about
five more, fell down, past the riverbank (an extra 15 feet, total of 40)
and hit an overturned boat with a satisfying thud, and slipped off into
the water.  It was all downhill from there, I remember whizzing him
around
by his tail in order to dry him off, then I dissected him, took the
decent
meat and froze it, and threw the guts back into the river for catfish
chum.  This must have been two years ago, it was spring, and I was...
fifteen I think.
_____________________________________________________
Brian Ream, Kalamazoo Michigan
mailto:osiris@net-link.net http://www.net-link.net/~osiris
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From: bgilmar@philly.infi.net (barbara gilmartin)
Newsgroups: alt.home.repair
Subject: Help:Weird wood eating bugs
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:40:59 +0100
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I recently noticed what looked like patches of mud on an outdoor wooden
fence. When I looked closer the mud was(I think)the remains of chewed up
wood that these tiny white wormy bugs were eating. They are eating right
through the wood--but they don't look look termites. Does anyone know what
they are or what I can do about them? I sprayed insecticide but am
concerned that I need something stronger. I'm also concerned if these bugs
or worms or whatever are in my house.
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From: Jerry Sanford <fatdac@voicenet.com>
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Subject: Re: tool
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Hi Y`all;

Maybe one - or all of the following, might fill the bill for you if you
can locate them!=20

=09AUTOFONT (v3.5 ?) - Improves appearance of Doc Titles,
words/phrases, announcements, bulletins, etc.

=09MAGICFONT - Same as AUTOFON but adds color to screen.

=09MAGICSHOW/MAGICVIEW - Use with AUTOFONT.=20

=09AUTODOC - Creates text filer for display in color/momo and framed
with ASCII graphic borders. Print or use in slide show.

I saw these in a Software Labs Catalog (shareware) over a year ago but
before I could order them I had to take a trip to Texas with a days notice
and didn't get home until over three months later. By that time Software
Labs had a new catalog out with no listing for them.  I tried searching
the net some time ago but didn't come up with anything. If anyone has
these hows-about posting them in an appropriate news group (?) with a
pointer here or E-mail them to me. If anyone knows their where-abouts
please let us hear from you.

JerrySanford


On Fri, 13 Sep 1996, Kenneth D. Lambert wrote:

> In article <32389B03.3E2C@wwa.com>, Eddie Christudhas <ec123@wwa.com> wro=
te:
> =BF?=BFI too have been searching for this program.  Please send me info o=
n
> =BF?=BFwhere it is...or how I can get it.  Thank you very much.  Please c=
ontact
> =BF?=BFme by email also.   thanks again!!!!
> =BF?=BF
> =BF?=BFEddie=20
> =BF?=BF
> =BF?=BFI tsaal@lso-tufatetd.bellcore.com wrote:
> =BF?=BF>=20
> =BF?=BF> I seem to recall a public domain or shareware program that would=
 take
> =BF?=BF> ASCII text and turn it into large artsy letters. I don't remembe=
r
> =BF?=BF> the name of the tool. Can anyone QUICKLY remind me of it?
> =BF?=BF>=20
> =BF?=BF> Please respond by email.
> =BF?=BF>=20
> =BF?=BF> --
> =BF?=BF> Sam Saal      saal@haven.ios.com
> =BF?=BF> Vayiphtach HaShem et Pea HaAtone
> I wish i had remembered this mesage a bit ago, i just DLed one cus i thou=
ghtit=20
> was something else and thot it sucked so i trashed it, errr oops sorry
>=20
>=20

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From: info@eurofair.co.uk (Bruno Giorgi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.german
Subject: EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:39:35 GMT
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EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities 
and sponsored by the 
Chartered Institute of Marketing and the European newspaper, will
take place in London from 21st to 23rd November 1996.  Eurofair '96 -
aims at raising the awareness of opportunities offered by the
countries of the European Union in areas such as business, investment,
jobs, education, training, the arts. The idea is to provide methods
and ideas to stimulate the growth of European companies through market
development (e.g. exporting) or through product development (i.e.
through innovation and creative techniques). 

Among the exhibitors will feature companies such as Banco Bilbao
Vizcaya (BBV), Supernet, S&M and The Institute of Exports. 
The seminar on creativity for international opportunities will be
chaired by Russell Chalmers (Svend Holst Associates). Other speakers
will be Dr David Smith (Market Research Society), Helen Deas
(Department of Trade & Industry), Michael Valdes-Scott OBE (Latin
American Trade Advisory Group), Ronnie Price FCIM (Portuguese UK
Chamber of Commerce) and Steven Cuthbert (The Chartered Institute of
Marketing)


Exhibitors Hotline: 		0181 205 1168

Tickets Hotline:     		0181 905 8699

(Exhibition tickets cost 5 if booked now or 10 on the door.  For
those who book early we are offering a selection of de Bono's audio
cassettes absolutely free. Offer available while stocks last.)

Eurofair Faxline:		0181 905 8629
Eurofair Minicall Pager:	01523 113 935
Email:				info@eurofair.co.uk
Web:				http://www.eurofair.co.uk
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From: kprinter@dfw.dfw.net (Mark Shippey)
Newsgroups: alt.politics.usa.republican
Subject: 40 reasons to send Clinton home
Date: 13 Sep 1996 22:46:52 GMT
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         Four more years? Here are 40 reasons to say no

           By Jeff Jacoby, Globe Columnist, 09/12/96 

Bill and Hillary Clinton want to extend their grip on the Executive Branch
for four more years. I can give you 40 reasons to turn them down. In no
particular order: 

1. Joycelyn Elders. 

2. According to the General Accounting Office, ethics investigations of  the  
  Clintons and their aides are costing taxpayers more than $1 million per
  month. 

3. Eighty-six men, women, and children died in Waco, Texas, after FBI agents   
  used grenade launchers to mount a CS gas attack on their compound. 

4. ``100,000 more police on the streets.'' Seen them yet? 

5. ``A tax cut for the middle class.'' Seen it yet? 

6. Clinton went on national television and answered questions about his 
   underwear. 

7. The candidate: ``We're going to end welfare as we know it.'' The president: 
  Vetoed two welfare-reform bills before finally, reluctantly, signing a third. 

8. His pet scheme - AmeriCorps - pays college-age ``volunteers'' more than $7
  an hour. 

9. Webster Hubbell. 

10. ``Clinton's an unusually good liar. Unusually good. Do you realize that?''
    - Democratic US Sen. (and Medal of Honor recipient) Bob Kerrey of Nebraska. 

11. The candidate: ``I think President Bush played racial politics with the 
   Haitian refugees. I wouldn't be shipping those poor people back.'' The 
   president: ``The practice of returning those who fled Haiti by boat will 
   continue.... Those who do leave Haiti ... will be stopped and directly 
   returned by the US Coast Guard.'' 

12. His ``Cabinet that looks like America'' contained 14 lawyers and 10 
   millionaires. 

13. Hillary's 1,342-page health care ``reform'' would have created 33 new 
   federal agencies and 200 regional alliances, added $70 billion to the 
   federal budget deficit - and taken away your right to choose your own 
   doctor. 

14. Terrorists at the White House I: Yasser Arafat. 

15. Terrorists at the White House II: Gerry Adams. 

16. George Bush was right: Clinton did turn the White House into the waffle 
   house. 

17. The candidate: ``[Bush] hasn't fought a real war on crime and drugs. I 
   will.'' The president: Slashed the Office of National Drug Control Policy; 
   teen-age drug use doubled from 1992 to 1995. 

18. First priority of his first week in office: gays in the military. 

19. Hiked the tax on gasoline to its highest rate ever. 

20. Shut down two of the four runways at Los Angeles International
   Airport so he could have his hair cut aboard Air Force One by Cristophe of 
   Beverly Hills. 

21. Cristophe's going rate: $200 per haircut. 

22. George Stephanopoulos' explanation: ``The president has to get his hair cut 
   like everybody else.'' 

23. Average per-capita federal tax burden, 1992: $4,153. 1996: $5,225.
   Increase: 25.8 percent. 

24. Craig Livingstone. 

25. Clinton calls the Defense of Marriage Act ``gay baiting, pure and
   simple'' -  and promises to sign it. 

26. Midnight basketball: Your federal tax dollars at work. 

27. Hillary's chats with Eleanor Roosevelt. 

28. Clinton's 1996 budget proposal forecast $200-billion-plus deficits for the 
   next seven years. 

29. ``North Korea cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear bomb'' - Clinton 
    administration,November 1993. ``[North Korea] already has as many as two 
    nuclear bombs and is continuing to develop atomic weapons'' - Clinton 
    administration, April 1994. 

30. Sent Jimmy Carter to cut a deal with the North Koreans: We agreed to give 
   Pyongyang free oil, two free nuclear reactors, diplomatic ties, and
   increased trade - and Pyongyang agreed to dismantle its bomb-making
   facilities in 10 years. 

31. The Clinton tax increase on Social Security recipients hit 5.5 million 
   retirees. 

32. At the first sign of controversy, he walked away from Zoe Baird. 

33. And from Kimba Wood. 

34. And from Lani Guinier. 

35. He chose to celebrate the 50th anniversary of V-E Day in Moscow - Berlin's 
   ally in invading Poland and starting World War II. 

36. ``The [Arkansas state] troopers said they were often called upon to act as 
    intermediaries to arrange and conceal [Clinton's] extramarital encounters. 
    They say they frequently picked up and delivered gifts from Clinton to 
    various women, and often drove Clinton ... to meetings with women. `We were 
    more than bodyguards. We had to lie, cheat and cover up for that
    man,' said Larry G. Patterson, a 26-year veteran state trooper'' - Los 
    Angeles Times, Dec. 21,1993. 

37. Hazel O'Leary. 

38. Key Clinton adviser on ``family values'': Dick Morris. 

39. The candidate: ``We should not reward China with improved trade status when 
   it has ...failed to make sufficient progress on human rights since the 
   Tiananmen Square massacre.'' The president: ``I am moving, therefore, to 
   delink human rights from the annual extension of most-favored-nation trading 
   status.'' 

40. Clinton argued in court that Paula Jones' sexual harassment lawsuit should 
   be postponed until he leaves office because he is on ``active duty'' as 
   commander in chief. 

There. Forty reasons to turn out the Clintons, and I didn't even get to
Warren Christopher. Did I omit your favorite grounds for chanting ``No
More Years''? Just send them to me in care of The Boston Globe
(jacoby@globe.com or Box 2378, Boston, MA 02107). I'll supply another Top
40 list before the election. 

       This story ran on page a15 of the Boston Globe on 09/12/96. 


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From: info@eurofair.co.uk (Bruno Giorgi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.french
Subject: EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:39:31 GMT
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EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities 
and sponsored by the 
Chartered Institute of Marketing and the European newspaper, will
take place in London from 21st to 23rd November 1996.  Eurofair '96 -
aims at raising the awareness of opportunities offered by the
countries of the European Union in areas such as business, investment,
jobs, education, training, the arts. The idea is to provide methods
and ideas to stimulate the growth of European companies through market
development (e.g. exporting) or through product development (i.e.
through innovation and creative techniques). 

Among the exhibitors will feature companies such as Banco Bilbao
Vizcaya (BBV), Supernet, S&M and The Institute of Exports. 
The seminar on creativity for international opportunities will be
chaired by Russell Chalmers (Svend Holst Associates). Other speakers
will be Dr David Smith (Market Research Society), Helen Deas
(Department of Trade & Industry), Michael Valdes-Scott OBE (Latin
American Trade Advisory Group), Ronnie Price FCIM (Portuguese UK
Chamber of Commerce) and Steven Cuthbert (The Chartered Institute of
Marketing)


Exhibitors Hotline: 		0181 205 1168

Tickets Hotline:     		0181 905 8699

(Exhibition tickets cost 5 if booked now or 10 on the door.  For
those who book early we are offering a selection of de Bono's audio
cassettes absolutely free. Offer available while stocks last.)

Eurofair Faxline:		0181 905 8629
Eurofair Minicall Pager:	01523 113 935
Email:				info@eurofair.co.uk
Web:				http://www.eurofair.co.uk
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stty sane
stty erase 
umask 002      #for NSE


# environments


#setenv EDITOR /asia/ufs/local/bin/emacs
setenv EPATH ":$home/.emacs_lisp:/asia/ufs/local/lib/gnuemacs/lisp:"
setenv XFILESEARCHPATH /berkeley/ufs/lib/X11/%T/%N
#setenv LESS MQcw
#setenv MANPATH /hadar/home/man:/usr/nse/man
setenv MANPATH /usr/man:/hadar/home/man:/usr/share/man:/usr/nse/man
#setenv PAGER /asia/ufs/local/bin/less
setenv PRINTER spe1
setenv TROFF itroff
# 
# Alternate enviroment directory and variant used by the NSE if desired
#setenv NSE_ENVS_DIR  /lug/nseenv
#setenv NSE_DEF_VAR   sun4-4.1.1
#
# terminal settings

set t = x$TERM
set noglob
#if ( `tty` == /dev/ttyv0 && $HOSTNAME == aurora ) then
#	echo "firing up desktop... "
#	source .desktop
#else
	if ($1 == elogin) then
	    eval `tset -s -e -k -Q "?dumb"`
	else if ($TERM =~ vt* || $TERM =~ *9*) then
	    eval `tset -s -e -k -Q "$TERM"`
	else if ($TERM =~ xterm*) then
#        stty  werase ^\?  erase ^h  kill ^u   intr ^c
#	    xterm is artificially intelligent
	else if ($TERM == adm3) then
	    eval `tset -s -e -k -Q "vt100"`
	else
	    eval `tset -s -e -k -Q "?sun"`
#       stty  werase ^\?  erase ^h  kill ^u   intr ^c
        stty  werase ^\?  erase ^h   intr ^c
	endif
endif
unset noglob
cd .
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From: info@eurofair.co.uk (Bruno Giorgi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.irish
Subject: EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:39:41 GMT
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EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities 
and sponsored by the 
Chartered Institute of Marketing and the European newspaper, will
take place in London from 21st to 23rd November 1996.  Eurofair '96 -
aims at raising the awareness of opportunities offered by the
countries of the European Union in areas such as business, investment,
jobs, education, training, the arts. The idea is to provide methods
and ideas to stimulate the growth of European companies through market
development (e.g. exporting) or through product development (i.e.
through innovation and creative techniques). 

Among the exhibitors will feature companies such as Banco Bilbao
Vizcaya (BBV), Supernet, S&M and The Institute of Exports. 
The seminar on creativity for international opportunities will be
chaired by Russell Chalmers (Svend Holst Associates). Other speakers
will be Dr David Smith (Market Research Society), Helen Deas
(Department of Trade & Industry), Michael Valdes-Scott OBE (Latin
American Trade Advisory Group), Ronnie Price FCIM (Portuguese UK
Chamber of Commerce) and Steven Cuthbert (The Chartered Institute of
Marketing)


Exhibitors Hotline: 		0181 205 1168

Tickets Hotline:     		0181 905 8699

(Exhibition tickets cost 5 if booked now or 10 on the door.  For
those who book early we are offering a selection of de Bono's audio
cassettes absolutely free. Offer available while stocks last.)

Eurofair Faxline:		0181 905 8629
Eurofair Minicall Pager:	01523 113 935
Email:				info@eurofair.co.uk
Web:				http://www.eurofair.co.uk
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From: Clifford T. Matthews <ctm@ardi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.emulators.mac.executor
Subject: Re: Appleshare VIA Netatalk.
Date: 13 Sep 1996 21:07:54 -0600
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>>>>> "Ian" == Ian Spielman <spielman@hepserver.nhn.uoknor.edu> writes:
In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.960910121210.17977A-100000@hepserver.nhn.uoknor.edu> Ian Spielman <spielman@hepserver.nhn.uoknor.edu> writes:


    Ian> Hello,

    Ian> 	I am running a server that serves the same files to
    Ian> UNIX machines (NFS), to PC's (SAMBA) and to mac's
    Ian> (netatalk). And I was hopeing that there was a way to make
    Ian> netatalk use the "filename + %filename" of storing extensions
    Ian> instead of the "filename + ./AppleDouble/filename" way. The
    Ian> reason for this is that I would *like* some of the linux
    Ian> machines who are reading the exported NFS tree to be able to
    Ian> run executor and see the saved mac files as native. (More
    Ian> specificaly I want to be able to use my copy of executor at
    Ian> home [dorm accualy, which is why I have ethernet] to continue
    Ian> some of the work I do at work).

We fiddled around with something like this and found that even if we
made it so that Executor could use the files in question, the netatalk
server would get confused if files changed out from under it.  As
such, if the performance hit isn't too large, our plan is to just make
Executor talk to the netatalk server.  The cool thing about this
solution is it would have the fortunate side effect of allowing
Executor to access AppleShare volumes on Macs, too.

I don't know when you can expect to see bleeding edge versions of this
stuff.  So far all we've done is look at the AppleTalk documentation
and the netatalk source and documentation.

    Ian> 	By the way, have any people had any luck running
    Ian> labview 3.1.2 on executor? It crashes and burns for me, but I
    Ian> am still ising 1.99p or whatever the last one that I could
    Ian> unlock was.

Haven't tried it.  Hopefully once E2 is out we can start doing more
testing and bleeding edge bug fixing.

    Ian> Thanks, Ian

	[security suggestion snipped]

    Ian> 	FYI the server I talk about in the first paragraph is
    Ian> a 486-33 that serves NFS as fast as our sun's, and serves
    Ian> appletalk faster than the PPC machines (fixed in copland? a
    Ian> 486-33 has no right beating a 120MHz 601) and SAMBA faster
    Ian> (much faster in truth) than our P-75 NT machine.  Rah Rah
    Ian> Linux.

Linux is a very promising kernel to do Mac stuff on top of.  We expect
our major income will come from the Win32 port, when it's out, but
expect to see E/L get new features before other versions of Executor.
That's how it worked with sound, and that's probably how it will work
with networking.

--Cliff
ctm@ardi.com

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From: bashley@ktb.net (Bev)
Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
Subject: Re: No idea about this
Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:45:59 GMT
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Bev wrote:
| > 27 cents?  In California, postage is 32 cents.  Is there a secret postal
| > frugality I've missed?

Judith A. Clegg (judy45@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
| No, but since the floppies cost $29.95 and the coupon was for $30.00
| that leaves a profit of .05 cents, which you deduct from the cost of
| the stamp leaving 27 cents plus whatever sales tax was paid on the
| original cost of floppies (if any). <grin>

What's that thing called where you bang the heel of your hand into the
center of your forehead?  Anyway, I just did it!

Bev                               bashley@ktb.net 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"I don't need instructions, I have a hammer."
				     -- T.W. Wier
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 96 11:49:00 +0400
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* Forwarded by Damir Muratov (2:5020/319)
* Area : COMP.LANG.CLARION (COMP.LANG.CLARION)
* From : harm@noord.bart.nl, 2:5020/128@fidonet.org (Wednesday August 28 1996
=============================================================================
X-RealName: Harm Olthof

[headers skipped]

magould@ix.netcom.com (Michael A. Gould) wrote:
>Sean.Hennessy@p9.f311.n640.z3.fidonet.org (Sean Hennessy) wrote:

>>Is there any word on if topspeed have come to their sences and
>>developing a version of clarion for OS/2 yet??

[Regards skipped]

>At this time there are no plans to create an OS/2 version of Clarion
>for Windows.  Since fortune telling isn't my forte I can't predict
>what will be done in the future.

Why not? Almost all of the win32 API-calls have been ported to OS/2,
recently. (Look for DAPIE on the Web).
This means, that it is should be rather easy to port Clarion to OS/2.
Thus opening a market of 12 million OS/2 users. (What is wrong with that?)
Warp connect is the most stable and fastest networkserver in the intel world,
OS/2 is used more and more in buisness environments.
OS/2 is a 32-bit os with preemptive multitasking, long filenames, etc.

Anyhow, I don't want to start an os flame, but OS/2 is a modern os, with
a large users group and starting with an win application it easy to port to.

So, start making plans?
(Another reason could be: There is already a very good Delphi-clone for OS/2,
so Topspeed should step into Warp, or others will.)

Harm (harm@noord.bart.nl)

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Subject: Re: Your Moderator is a jerk...
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| >We have a moderator?

| Yeah, I didn't think we did either.  "Michael" must be a freelancer.

Killjoy zaps every once in a while when I get too far off-topic.  Seems a
bit anal to me too, but his heart is in the right place.  *Especially*
about advertisements.  I wish I had the energy to seek out and complain
about ALL of them...

Bev 	                                  bashley@ktb.net
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"You're a blithering idiot who wouldn't know a clue if 
it appeared on your screen in a GUI interface with a 
button labeled, 'I'm a CLUE - click here to acquire me.'" 
				      -- Seth Finkelstein

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From: Larry.Bradley@nrc.ca (Larry Bradley)
Newsgroups: bit.listserv.novell
Subject: NOVELL.NRC.CA discontinued as a Novell Mirror site.
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 23:27:46 GMT
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Due to organizational changes, NOVELL.NRC.CA will no longer be a
mirror site for the Novell files. Mirroring from Joe Doupnik's site
will cease at once, and the files themselves will be removed in a day
or so.

It has been a pleasure to provide this service for the Novell user
community, but we are no longer in a position to do so.

Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause, but there are other mirror
sites, and there is always the Novell site itself.

I am assuming new responsibilities here at NRC, and will not be
responsible for the networks or the Novell systems, and won't be in
any position to keep things running.

Larry


Larry Bradley
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National Research Council
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Newsgroups: alt.marketplace.books.sf
Subject: WTB: Day they H-Bombed L.A.
Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:14:34 -0400
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Hi:  This doomsday paperback was published (I think) in the mid 60's. 
Please state condition, price & I will pay shipping.  Nothing special
about this; just trying to find some PB's that has been lost thru the
years.

Ken Coghill III
kcoghill3@aol.com


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From: kaleida@mbox.vol.it (kaleida)
Newsgroups: it.annunci.seconda-mano
Subject: cerco modem packet radio
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 15:57:05 GMT
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cerco modem packet radio
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From: afr.hmf@t-online.de (HMF)
Newsgroups: de.markt.arbeit.angebote
Subject: Festanstellung: Consultant UNIX-Systemprogrammierung
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Date: 9 Sep 1996 13:16:31 GMT
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Consultant UNIX-Systemprogrammierung 
 
Fuer einen langjaehrigen Kunden suchen wir einen
professionellen "Consultant UNIX-Systemprogrammierung" 
 
Unternehmen:
System- und Beratungshaus mit Sitz im Rhein-Main-Gebiet; eigenstaendige 
Tochter eines der groessten deutschen IT-Unternehmen; ca. 65 MA, ca. 28 
Mio. DM Umsatz;  

Dienstleistungsangebot:
Systemberatung, Systemintegration, Installation, Wartung, Schulung,  
Support 

Aufgaben:
Systemberatung (HW + SW); Projektrealisierung;  Performanceanalysen; 
Monitoring; Customizing; Second- und Last-Level-Support; operative 
Taetigkeiten (Programmierung, Installation, Wartung etc.) 

Direkt dem Bereichsleiter `Betriebssysteme' unterstellt. 

Anforderungen: 
* Mindestens 5 Jahre Erfahrung im systemnahen Umfeld 
* Mind. 2 Jahre Erfahrung in UNIX-Systemprogrammierung (ideal: HP-UX) 
* Prakt. Erfahrungen in der Betreuung von UNIX-Installationen, in der
  System-administration, in Performance-Analysen und Monitoring 
* Fundiertes Know-how in in SED, AWK, HP Open View 
* Fundiertes Know-how im Bereich Multi Media 
  (speziell: Video on demand) 
* Alter: max. 45 Jahre 
* Fach-Englisch: sehr gute Grundkenntnisse 
* gute kommunikative Faehigkeiten 
* Reisebereitschaft 

Interessiert?? 
Dann schicken Sie bitte Ihre Kurzbewerbung per email an: 
HMF Corporate Management Consulting 
z. Hd. Dipl.-Inform. Andrea Raupach 
hmf@eupronet.com 

PS.: Wenn Sie mehr ueber uns erfahren wollen, schauen Sie doch 
einmal auf unserer WWW-Seite vorbei! 
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From: afr.hmf@t-online.de (HMF)
Newsgroups: de.markt.arbeit.angebote
Subject: Festanstellung: Consultant MVS Speichermanagement
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CC: ra.hmf@t-online.de

Consultant MVS Speichermanagement 

Wir suchen fuer ein gut eingefuehrtes Systemhaus im Rhein-Main-Gebiet

einen erfahrenen "Consultant MVS Speichermanagement" 

Unternehmen: 
System- und Beratungshaus mit Sitz im Rhein-Main-Gebiet; eigenstaendige 
Tochter eines der groessten deutschen IT-Unternehmen; ca. 65 MA, ca. 28 
Mio. DM Umsatz;  

Dienstleistungsangebot:
Systemberatung, Systemintegration, Installation, Wartung, Schulung,  
Support 

Aufgaben: 
Systemberatung; Erstellung und Umsetzung von Konzepten (methodisch und 
analytisch) fuer SMS-Installationen; Katalogmanagement; operative 
Taetigkeiten (Installation, Wartung etc.) 

Direkt dem Bereichsleiter `Betriebssysteme' unterstellt. 

Anforderungen: 
* Mindestens 5 Jahre Erfahrung im systemnahen Umfeld 
* Praktische Erfahrungen im MVS Speichermanagement
  (in den letzten mind. 2 Jahren zu mind. 50 %) 
* Prakt. Erfahrungen in der Konzeptionierung und Realisierung
  von SMS-Installationen 
* Fundiertes Know-how im Katalogmanagement 
* Fundierte Kenntnisse in den Programmiersprachen REXX oder CLIST
  (alternativ COBOL oder Assembler) 
* Fundierte Kenntnisse in den Plattenarchitekturen und Tape-Roboter 
* Fundierte Kenntnisse im Toolsbereich (SMPE, TSO-ISPF, DFDSS,
  DFSMS etc.) 
* Alter: max. 45 Jahre 
* Fach-Englisch: sehr gute Grundkenntnisse 
* gute kommunikative Faehigkeiten 
* Reisebereitschaft 

Interessiert?? 
Dann schicken Sie bitte Ihre Kurzbewerbung per email an: 
HMF Corporate Management Consulting 
z. Hd. Dipl.-Inform. Andrea Raupach 
hmf@eupronet.com 

PS.: Wenn Sie mehr ueber uns erfahren wollen, schauen Sie doch 
einmal auf unserer WWW-Seite vorbei! 
http://www.eupronet.com/hmf


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From: Ken <glockr@delphi.com>
Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: How long does it take to learn C++ ?
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 96 23:38:04 -0500
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Jesse Liberty <jliberty@libertyassociates.com> writes:
 
>Jon wrote:
>>...  There are tons of books out there on the C++ language, but
>> the books stop giving examples after a certain level, and myself, being
>> very 'hands onish' find this frustrating.  It is an area that I'm sure
>> an author could sell lots of copies with.
 
 I'm also learning C++, and I have found it very frustarating that the books on
the language don't do a very good job of explaining the various function librar-
ies. Since C++ (and C) are so dependent on function libraries, it would seem
that if an example program in a book called a certain function from a library,
it would explain that function. Maybe the inclusion of the function in an ex-
ample program is good enough for an experienced programmer, but it's not much
help to a beginner, especially if they're new not just to C++, but programming
in general. FORTUNATELY, there is a book that explains the function libraries
that come with the C++ compilers I've tried (at least the ones that try to be
POSIX-compliant). It is called "POSIX PROGRAMMER'S GUIDE - Writing Portable
UNIX Programs," published by O'Reilly and Associates. Although they call it a
UNIX book, I've found it a very helpful guide to my Borland C++ compiler.
 
Ken
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From: "E. Charters" <charter@vianet.on.ca>
Newsgroups: misc.invest.canada
Subject: Re: Help with stock search plse
Date: 14 Sep 1996 03:40:48 GMT
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From: purple@quack.kfu.com (Daniel Hsu)
Subject: hiragana font
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I'm looking for a Japanese Hiragana true type font. Does anyone know 
where to get one? Please e-mail me it if you have it, or give me a 
pointer. Thanks in advance!

--
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|     (. .)     Awrighhhht!   |
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From: "Jason Sigurdur" <sigurdur@sas.ab.ca>
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.vb.winapi
Subject: Help! VB Pro Needed
Date: 12 Sep 1996 20:05:53 GMT
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Hello:
  How do i signal the diskfreespace function to check for free space after
the hard drive reads or writes?
-- 
Jay
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From: info@eurofair.co.uk (Bruno Giorgi)
Newsgroups: soc.culture.italian
Subject: EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 1996 16:39:43 GMT
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EUROFAIR '96, the European Fair of International Opportunities 
and sponsored by the 
Chartered Institute of Marketing and the European newspaper, will
take place in London from 21st to 23rd November 1996.  Eurofair '96 -
aims at raising the awareness of opportunities offered by the
countries of the European Union in areas such as business, investment,
jobs, education, training, the arts. The idea is to provide methods
and ideas to stimulate the growth of European companies through market
development (e.g. exporting) or through product development (i.e.
through innovation and creative techniques). 

Among the exhibitors will feature companies such as Banco Bilbao
Vizcaya (BBV), Supernet, S&M and The Institute of Exports. 
The seminar on creativity for international opportunities will be
chaired by Russell Chalmers (Svend Holst Associates). Other speakers
will be Dr David Smith (Market Research Society), Helen Deas
(Department of Trade & Industry), Michael Valdes-Scott OBE (Latin
American Trade Advisory Group), Ronnie Price FCIM (Portuguese UK
Chamber of Commerce) and Steven Cuthbert (The Chartered Institute of
Marketing)


Exhibitors Hotline: 		0181 205 1168

Tickets Hotline:     		0181 905 8699

(Exhibition tickets cost 5 if booked now or 10 on the door.  For
those who book early we are offering a selection of de Bono's audio
cassettes absolutely free. Offer available while stocks last.)

Eurofair Faxline:		0181 905 8629
Eurofair Minicall Pager:	01523 113 935
Email:				info@eurofair.co.uk
Web:				http://www.eurofair.co.uk
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From: rbraver@ohww.norman.ok.us (Robert Braver)
Newsgroups: alt.sport.basketball.nba.orl-magic
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Date: 14 Sep 1996 03:09:00 GMT
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Spam cancelled.  Autocancel spam type: NWNT
Original Subject: !Wide Open:  http://www.nwnt.com/slit
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From: pek@llama.net (Paul Ezra Kautz)
Newsgroups: alt.stupidity,alt.stupidity.spatch
Subject: Re: Speaking of Spatch
Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:41:10 GMT
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In article <50o2ho$1tv$2@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Bill Wilkinson wrote:
* If so, how did he manage to elude our Underseas Reporter,
* Paul Kautz?

He is in the one place my powers cannot reach him.

* --Bill (okay, one more time--huh?)

Paul: Western Massachusetts

-- 
  (c) now me ... Paul Ezra Kautz, Jumbo Yaffa Blocks #94: pek@llama.net
bim http://www.llama.net/home/pek/  1996 is the year of the accordion bom
       bim "Sie sind ein sonderbarer Kautz." --Magnus Mulqvist bom

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From: joseph <Iznt@home.org>
Newsgroups: alt.binaries.pictures.nudism
Subject: SOC....RE: the big name scramble........Playbill.......
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:19:19 -0700
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Cast of Players:
Jessica.................plays Jessica in Nudist Moppets #4 Never SEX
Susanna.................plays Susanna in Nudist Moppets #4 Never SEX
Joy? ...................plays Joy in issue 1 of Lollitots (later issues
                             called More Lollitots. NO SEX.
Berryl..................plays in pics of Kiddie Porn..Is the same girl
                             who is called Joy.
Conney..................plays?  Is the same girl who is called Joy.

Productions:            Nudist Moppets.......NO SEX
                        Lollitots (& More Lollitots)   NO SEX
                        Lollitas........  NO SEX
                        Individual pictures that were shot sometime,
                              someplace show the girl called 
                              Joy/Berryl/Conney having sex.

In the early Greek theatre, which was a religious festival were two 
kinds of plays: A Tragedy and A Comedy.  The comedy involved sex and 
always got so completely out of hand that a God had to be lowered by a 
device from above and come to earth to straighten things out. This 
device of having everything resolved by a devine intervention is refered 
to disparagingly as "God from the Machine"..."deus ex Machina."

Glad to have been of service..........God from the machine.
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From: sleipnir@northernnet.com (JL)
Newsgroups: alt.horror.werewolves
Subject: Re: Rosh Hashanah
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 03:24:09 GMT
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Brokken <gwichi@qntm.com> is rumored to have spoken thusly:

>Happy New Year!

>May the new year of 5757 bring happiness to you all! :)

>Warm Regards,

Gotta ask...
What calendar system is that from?

Blessed Be!
-Oarim

*****************************************************
I am the unqenchable fire, The center of all energy,  
The stout heroic heart, I am the truth and the light, 
I hold power and glory in my sway, 
My presence disperses dark clouds.
I have been chosen to tame the Fates
I AM THE DRAGON

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From: "Stefan Worf" <g5536t@wwr.com>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: HILFE!!! Teles S0/16.3 strzt nach Herstellung einer Verbindung ab
Date: 14 Sep 1996 02:10:16 GMT
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Wer kann mir helfen?

Meine Teles S0/16.3 bleibt manchmal gleich nach dem Aufbau einer
PPP-Verbindung zu meinem Provider einfach 'hngen". D.h., der Computer
reagiert auf keinerlei Eingaben mehr und nur ein Neustart hilft. Ich habe
die Dual-CAPI 3.13 installiert.
Wie gesagt, tritt der Fehler nur manchmal auf, aber dann auch mehrmals
hintereinander (Booten, ISDN-Verbindung, Absturz, Booten, ...)

Kann das was mit Treibern zu tun haben, oder vielleicht mit anderer
Hardware (z.B. Soundkarte, Parallel-Port-ZIP-Drive)?

Bitte sehr um Antwort.

Gru
Stefan



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From: peterb@hoopoe.psc.edu (Peter Berger)
Newsgroups: pgh.general
Subject: Re: Gentleman!
Date: 13 Sep 1996 23:07:35 -0400
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In article <51cu62$72o@joust.lm.com>, tunaman <tunaman@telerama.lm.com> wrote:
>	I've followed this thread wincing at each successive post.  
>Problem is, I see both points of view.  But, may I ask that you please 
>take this to private e-mail?  

John, you facist pig, how dare you suggest that people behave
like reasonable human beings on Usenet!

oh, wait...

:-)


-- 
Pete Berger
Coordinator, Regional Information Infrastructure
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
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From: keith@alumnae.caltech.edu (Keith A. Schneider)
Newsgroups: alt.atheism,talk.atheism
Subject: Re: Is Agnosticism Atheism?
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arcline@phoenix.princeton.edu (Austin Cline) writes:

>>>>First of all, I'm not arguing from a theological position.
>>>You've said that you are speaking from a theological perspective. That is
>>>a fact.
>>No I haven't.  Quote me.
>   "In theology, deists, theists and pantheists are distinct."

That is certainly a true statement, but how does it lead to your
implication that I'm arguing from a theological position?  Michael
Martin says the same thing in his book.  Is *he* arguing from a
theological position too?  If theology is the study of religion, I would
bet that it would have a clear idea of what is meant by theism and
deism.

>You are, of course, using a theological perspective and theological
>definitions here, no other explanation is even remotely possible. 

Except that someone replaced your brain with a sponge!

>>>You have not demonstrated that there is anything wrong with the broad
>>>definition.
>>There are several things wrong.  First, it causes confusion because it
>>is not what most people mean when they use the term.
>It is, however, what most atheists mean when they use they term - by all
>accounts.

By all accounts?  You can't be serious.  I posted the results of my
admittedly shallow literature search of atheist authors, and it
indicated no such thing.  Shall I post it again?

>You have yet to demonstrat the opposite. If you could, you'd
>conclusively prove your case. It is telling that in all your time arguing
>your case, you've never bothered to try.

You've never demonstrated your side either.  In fact, you know very well
that neither of us can demonstrate this to your satisfaction without
producing some sort of scientific poll.  I've produced a literature
search that indicates you are incorrect, and that is the best that I can
do.  I am not saying that those atheist authors represent the views of
all atheists, of course.

>>Second, I think there are very few if any people for whom the broad
>>term is necessary.
>Irrelevant. 

Relevant.  If we are striving for accuracy, it is very telling that
there are few people who even meet the broadest reaches of your
definition.  We're nottrying to create a definition for the extremes
here.

>>Third, it is often used as a strawman in arguments.
>By whom? Quote, please.

I'm not going to search through the whole news database again to satisfy
your curiousity since you are unwilling to do the same for me, but I
have one example of someone actually admitting doing such.  Rick
Gillespie says:

     BTW, I should point out that *informally* I'm strong atheist; that
     is, when I'm not being particularly "careful" I'll say I believe
     gods do not exist (you know, when you're watching a newscast and
     some pinhead is "praising the lawd" and you say "there ain't no
     such beastie").  However, when pressed to be more formal (say, in
     a debate, I'll "retreat" to weak atheism (in general) because of
     the ambiguity of what makes a "god".

Now, to be fair Rick has said that all he was doing when he was not being
particular careful was to overstate his case, but I still think that
this sort of shifting between positions ("retreating" when necessary to
the more logically defensible) is very common, and that the FAQ
definition is all too often used as a crutch in argument.

>>Fourth, its introduction is often based on the faulty premise that
>>one can define the essientials of a word by dissecting it into its roots.
>Irrelevant, if it accurately reflects how atheists use it. It is *also*
>irrelevant if it *doesn't* reflect how atheists use it since the fact that
>they *don't* use it that way is all that is important.

I agree that this flawed argument does not drag down your whole
position, but it certainly does nothelp any, especially when people try
to say that this *has* to be the only definition based on this
derivation.  I was amused to see one poster even go so far as to say
that chariots were actually bicycles because they had two wheels.

>>Fifth, it muddies the disctinction between agnosticism and atheism.
>Agnosticism, which is based on the issue of knowledge, never enters into
>the matter.

Agnosticism and atheism are not as orthogonal as you claim.  It is true
that agnosticism has to do with knowledge, but the agnostic claims that,
unlike the atheist who *does* claim to have knowledge, or who has at
least come to some conclusion, he (the agnostic) is unable to do so.
Huxley said it best:

     ...When I reached intellectual maturity and began to ask myself
     whether I was an atheist, a theist, or a pantheist; a materialist
     or an idealist; a Christian or a freethinker; I found that the
     more I learned and reflected, the less ready was the answer;
     until, at last, I came to the conclusion that I had neither art
     nor part with any of these denominations, except the last.  The
     one thing in which most of these good people were agreed was the
     one thing in which I differed from them. They were quite sure they
     had attained a certain "gnosis"--had, more or less successfully,
     solved the problem of existence; while I was quite sure I had not,
     and had a pretty strong conviction that the problem was
     insoluble.

>>>>I am trying to be honest and objective, and in the process, I have to
>>>>fault many atheists who use this tactic.
>>>Little that you have said has been honest or objective, IMHO.
>>Cite examples of dishonesty of nonobjectivity. 
>An "atheist" doesn't argue from a theological perspective.

I am no more arguing from a theological perspective than is Micheal
Martin.  I don't see how you can claim to know anything about my
"perspective".  All you know is that I admit that those who study
religion (theologists) ought to have a pretty good idea what they mean
when they talk about various types of religions.

>A dictionary is not the final arbiter of how words are used - their actual
>use in the relevant community is. 

A dictionary presents a pretty good survey, though, doesn't it.  It's
the best we can do without some further sort of polling evidence.

>The idea that someone from the academic community and not from a divinity
>school should be assumed to be an atheist.

The best evidence suggests that these people were not theists.  Isn't
this an atheist, according to you?  Aren't all people assumed to be
atheists unless they have belief in gods?  Isn't atheism the *default*
position you claim?

In my literature search, I tried to include only those people who were
defending atheism in some manner.  It is impossible to tell whether
these people were indeed atheists, but this is a good indication.

>Then why hasn't the "mainstream" risen up and agreed with you? 

Why do so few people vote?  Why have so few people rushed to your
defense?  This isn't exactly the most pressing issue, but I think it
nevertheless is an important one.  The definitions one uses (and the
manner in which they are used) reveals quite a bit.

For yoour information, I have received some email support (although not
much).

>Not that you'd notice it on this group, however. Weak atheism is the
>baseline for atheism according to the atheists I've seen, period.

And I have opposing anecdotal evidence.  So what.

>Of course, there is no reason to have more than one word when you can use
>the same word then modify it - like modifying "theism" to represent the
>various theistic beliefs. 

The problem occurs when "weak atheism" is used in place of "atheism".

>>>How few people? I've found many such people on the 'net. You may be
>>>"widely read" as you indicate that I must not be - but that's obviously
>>>come at the expense of getting to know people.
>>Let's have some names here.  I'd like names of people who have not
>>rejected any belief in God, yet still have no such beliefs.
>Austin Cline

Is that all you can come up with?  What happened to the "many such
people" you've found?

>plus, a few people I know personally, not on the 'net.

I'll bet.

>>These "ignoramuses" are the only people for whom the "absence of
>>belief" definition is necessary.
>So, we're "ignoramuses" for not following your definitions? Interesting.

No, I was talking about literal ignoramuses who were ignorant of the
concept of "God".

keith
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Please send me your templates.   "Will trade mine for yours."
   



                                                 Rock On Hackers!!!!!
                                                          
Jammer555@aol.com
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From: jacktrax@aol.com (JackTrax)
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>>I bought mine from Omega Engineering (203-359-1660) for $75.  I have
model
number FPU105.  It delivers 20 ml/min and is not adjustable.  They have
all different sizes for different dosing rates.  Be aware that you w<<

 For $195 you can get their compact *adjustable* model. 
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From: "Stefan Worf" <g5536t@wwr.com>
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Wie kann es sein, da meine Soundkarte (Vibra 16, soundblasterkompatibel)
von meinem Parallelport-ZIP-Drive beeinflut wird? 
Wenn ich im System-Manager unter SCSI-Port... als Modus "mode:fast" oder
"mode:ecpepp..." (welcher vom Parallelportbeschleuniger der ZIP-Tools
vorgeschlagen wird) einstelle, kann meine Soundkarte auf einmal manche
Wave-Dateien (z.B. Windows95-Sound) und einige AVI-Files nicht mehr
abspielen. Ich mu also auf den langsameren ECP-Mode umschalten, was mich
ziemlich nervt...

Im BIOS kann ich ECP, AT und PS/2 auswhlen.
Welche Kombination aus PP-Einstellung und ZIP-Drive-Modus ist wohl die
beste?
Und, kann das ZIP-Drive die ISDN-Karte (Teles S0/16.3) irgendwie
beeinflussen (die muckt nmlich auch rum)?

Bitte um Antwort, am besten Lsung :-)

Gru
Stefan

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I thought I heard Chrissie Hynde's version at the tale end of a movie,
over credits.

Can't remember what it was on  -- Bridget Fonda and a psycho roomate or
something.........

bill m.
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mnorris674@aol.com (MNorris674) writes:

>Yes, the road warriors had a puppet.  But the original post was correct. 
>Rick
>Steiner used to paint his hand like a face and talk to it.  I don't know
>what he called it but it was when he was a heel and a part of Kevin
>Sullivan's Varsity Club.

That was just after the Varsity Club (lame theme music!), when he was a 
face doing that retard impersonation.

 
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American Trade Advisory Group), Ronnie Price FCIM (Portuguese UK
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Exhibitors Hotline: 		0181 205 1168

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will be Dr David Smith (Market Research Society), Helen Deas
(Department of Trade & Industry), Michael Valdes-Scott OBE (Latin
American Trade Advisory Group), Ronnie Price FCIM (Portuguese UK
Chamber of Commerce) and Steven Cuthbert (The Chartered Institute of
Marketing)


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Tickets Hotline:     		0181 905 8699

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From: Ian Anthony <ida@po.cwru.edu>
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I was reading through everyone's opinions on Slang and I thought I'd
post my own. I chose this particular message because I too think
'Deliver Me' is their best song in Slang, but I can't say I think Slang
is their best