TELECOM Digest     Tue, 28 Jun 94 11:47:00 CDT    Volume 14 : Issue 302

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    ITU-TSS vs. ANSI (Stephen Williams)
    Bilingual Telephone Numbers? (Andrew C. Green)
    Satellite Phone Wanted (John Biederstedt)
    Who's That Voice? (Jeffrey W. McKeough)
    Information Wanted on `Set-Top Box' (Lim JaiJin)
    Motorola Digital Cellular Phone (Ian Daniel Plotkin)
    Cellular Phones and Lightning (Shawn Gordhamer)
    Cellular Phone and Tower Handshaking (Shawn Gordhamer)
    Pointers to Information on Cable Modem Details (Steve Cogorno)
    Information on Transponders and Cable Network Development (Kevin Apperson)
    Need 300 mSec Phone Line Delay For Modem Testing (Dave Mc Mahan)
    17.5 No-Surcharge Travel Service (Van Hefner)
    Info: Telephone Country/Area Codes: Anywhere:by Gopher|FTP (Monty Solomon)
    MS-Windows based Centrex Attendant Console (Robert J. Kinder)
    Testing Tool For Tele-Software Wanted (Filip Vertommen)
    SMR Licensees Wanted (Alex Cena)
    Hungarian Portables (Robert Scott)
    Modems for Kenya (Jason M. Githeko)
    Non-Tariffed Long Distance Telecommunications Carriers (Aaron Woolfson)
    GSM Coverage of Indonesia? (Ben Anderson)
    Sending Cross-Stitch by Telegraph: Did Anyone Ever do it? (Peter Rukavina)
    Phone Scrambler, Caller ID Information (John Lundgren)

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From: stephenw@Newbridge.COM (Stephen Williams)
Subject: ITU-TSS vs. ANSI
Reply-To: stephenw@Newbridge.COM
Organization: Newbridge Networks Corporation
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:08:43 -0400


I am having trouble getting any definitive answers on the differences
between the ITU-TSS and ANSI specifications for Frame Relay, etc.

ANSI T1.602 says that it is identical to ITU-T's Q.920/921 combined.
Fine.  ANSI T1.617 says that it is similar to Q.933 and an extension
to Q.922.  And ANSI T1.618 says that it is similar to Q.922 and an
extension to Q.921.

It's those words "similar" that I don't like.  What ARE the similarities, 
and differences?  Are there any?  I have never been able to figure this out 
by looking at any documentation, the ATM-FAQ, RFC 1490, etc.

IE: If I want to implement the data link layer for frame relay, do I
need to even look at the ANSI specs?


Thanks,

Stephen Williams
(Please respond by e-mail:   stephenw@newbridge.com)

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From: Andrew C. Green <ACG@dlogics.com>
Subject: Bilingual Telephone Numbers?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:40:07 CDT


Was waiting in line at the downtown Walgreen's this morning, and
noticed a Caller Name and Number ID box on prominent display. The big
marketing triumph which warranted its $59.99 price was trumpeted in a
large, bilingual (English and Spanish) sticker on the box: "BILINGUAL
NAME AND NUMBER DISPLAY!"

Now, perhaps I'm missing something here, but I must admit I don't know
how I would translate "Green, Andrew C." and "(312) 266-xxxx" into
Spanish without the assistance of this thing. Clearly a bargain at
twice the price!


Andrew C. Green
Datalogics, Inc.  Internet: acg@dlogics.com
441 W. Huron      Chicago, IL  60610-3498   

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From: John@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU
Subject: Satellite Phone Wanted
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 16:52:57 -0600
Organization: Mankato State University


Is there a phone on the market that can use a satellite (not a cell)
to communicate?  Some friends and I want to take a trip to where there
are no phones (obviously) and no cells.  We thought maybe we could
rent a satellite phone, if possible.


John Biederstedt      John@VAX1.Mankato.MSUS.EDU 
Mankato State University   Mankato, MN  56002         


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Wouldn't the ship to shore (or high seas)
service work out in John's case?  I am thinking of Marisat or Maristat?
Can you get portable phones to carry around which use that service?   PAT]

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From: jwm@student.umass.edu (Jeffrey W. McKeough)
Subject: Who's That Voice?
Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 04:26:25


After reading an interesting discussion in the archives about Jane
Barbe, the former voice of the Bell System, the voice of the time in
several cities, and of many Octel systems (at least those that have
not upgraded to a Marsha Graham software release), I was wondering if
anyone has any information about yet another of those famous voices.

The woman in question has done many recordings including the
ubiquitous AT&T carrier identification chime and calling card auto
attendant, the EasyReach voice prompts, RBOC recordings (including
NYNEX's return call/repeat call prompts, and the new "You must dial 1+
the area code intercepts).  I've always found it interesting to be
able to put a name with a voice, so I thought I'd ask.


Jeffrey W. McKeough   jwm@student.umass.edu

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From: jjin@olive.snu.ac.kr (Lim JaiJin)
Subject: Information Wanted on 'Set-Top Box'
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:09:07 GMT


Hi, everyone !

Is there anyone or anysite from whom or where I can get in contact
with some informations about set-top box used in VOD (Video-On-Demand)
as a customer information appliance like VCR ?

Currently I'm studying the OS of set-top box. I'd like to know `OS
requirements' of set-top box.  I'd like to know why `real-time OS'
is requred for set-top box.

Any hints and notices would be greatly appreciated.


NAME:   Lim, Jai-jin
EMAIL:  jjin@olive.snu.ac.kr
ADDRESS: 
 Department of Computer Science & Statistics,
        Seoul National University,
        Sinlim-Dong, Gwanak-Ku, Seoul,
        151-742, Republic Of Korea
PHONE:  +82-02-880-6582 
FAX:    +82-02-871-4912  

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From: idp3286@hertz.njit.edu (Ian Daniel Plotkin)
Subject: Motorola Digital Cellular Phone
Organization: New Jersey Institute of Technology, Newark, New Jersey
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 08:47:45 GMT


Does anyone have any experience with Motorola's new Digital flip-fone?
Is digital cellular as widespread as analog yet?  The local carrier
here in central NJ is Comcast/CellularOne.  Does anyone know if NJ is
covered by a digital network?  While the other (analog) flipfones go
for around $50 /w signon deal, is it worth it at this point in time to
shell out the $300 or so (/w signon deal) for the digital phone?  Any
info would be appreciated!


Thanks,

Ian Daniel Plotkin         idp3286@hertz.njit.edu
(201)824-4701   (800)333-5729 x110   (908)246-3365

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From: shawnlg@netcom.com (Shawn Gordhamer)
Subject: Cellular Phones and Lightning
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 03:04:33 GMT


Someone told me that in a lightning storm, lightning can follow the
radio waves given out by your cellular phone.  I assume this is
because the air is more ionized where the waves are strong.  Is this
true?  Is it unsafe to use a handheld cellular phone in a lightning
storm?  I'm not talking about a mobile phone with a tall antenna.


Shawn Gordhamer shawnlg@netcom.com Rochester, Minnesota USA

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From: shawnlg@netcom.com (Shawn Gordhamer)
Subject: Cellular Phone and Tower Handshaking
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 03:26:00 GMT


I can tell when my cellular phone talks to the tower, because my tape
player near it slows down and buzzes loudly whenever my phone
transmits.  Therefore, I know about how often my phone and the towers
communicate when the phone is on but not being used.

Sometimes when I turn my phone on, it doesn't bother talking to the
tower at all.  Sometimes, it transmits for a short period of time.
But it usually does this once and not at set intervals.  With this in
mind, I have come up with the following theory about how a phone and
tower keep track of each other.  Someone please let me know if there
is any truth in this.

When you turn on a cellular phone, it knows what tower is nearest it.
Each tower must have some unique ID so that your phone knows if it
approaches a different tower.  A tower does not ask a phone if it is
there.  Instead, the phone tells the tower it is there.  Thus, if I
turn on my phone for the first time and it is near tower A, it will
tell tower A that it is near it.  Tower A then assumes, until the
cellular network tells it differently, that my phone is still near it.

I can turn off my phone and turn it back on.  It has in its memory the
tower it last talked to.  Thus, if I turn it off and back on, if it
still picks up tower A as the strongest, it won't even tell tower A it
is there again.  It assumes that tower A still thinks it is there.
There must be some timeout value.  If I left my phone off for a year,
it would probably tell tower A it was back when turned on.

When the phone is on and not being used, it continually checks the
different frequencies of the towers.  If I move closer to tower B, my
phone, and not the tower, realizes this.  My phone then tells tower B
it is there.  Tower B is now the one that will deal with my phone, and
the cellular network will tell tower A that I'm gone.

When actually talking on my phone, the towers themselves must monitor
my signal strength.  I can hear my phone change frequencies quite
often while I talk, even when I am just pasing around one room.  The
phone never transmits tower changes that often when it is not being
used.

Do I have this basically right?

Also, why does my phone change frequencies so often?  I can tell
because the conversation cuts out for about 1/4 second and one or the
other party usually misses a word in the conversation.  Is this
because I am between two towers and they can't decide who gets me?  Or
is this to thwart scanning by moving my conversation all over the
frequency band?  Either way, it's quite annoying, and I'd prefer the
scan risk then always being cut off while my phone changes
frequencies.

Thanks for any info.


Shawn Gordhamer   shawnlg@netcom.com
Rochester, Minnesota  USA


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think what is happening is that the tower
you were on has decided it is time to pass you on to the next tower, but
the next tower has no channels available at that precise moment and it tells
the first tower to continue holding you as long as possible. It is not so
much a question of deciding who gets your call as it is finding a vacant
channel on the tower you should be with. If it has nothing available for a
few seconds or a minute even though logically you are in its range, then 
the earlier tower has to keep holding you, and when it can do so no longer
then it has to give your call to some tower somewhere, even if the most
likely one (nearest you, getting your signal the strongest) has no room
for you. So, it then finds some tower someplace which can hear you at 
least a little better than it can and hands off your call if possible,
otherwise you simply get dropped.  PAT]

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From: cogorno@netcom.com (Steve Cogorno)
Subject: Pointers to Information on Cable Modem Details
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 00:07:40 PDT


Michael S. Pontecorvo said:

> I am looking for information on cable modems.  How the technology
> works, baud rates, error recovery, etc. Any pointers would be helpful.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What is a 'cable modem'?    PAT]

A cable modem is a device that transmits/receives data over two-way
cable lines (cable as in cable TV).


Steve    cogorno@netcom.com

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From: kap@netcom.com (Kevin D. Apperson)
Subject: Information on Transponders and Cable Network Development
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 03:24:07 GMT


When is it ever better to lease than purchase a transponder when starting 
a cable channel?

I really appreciate any references on this, and related information.  

Thanks.

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From: mcmahan@netcom.com (Dave Mc Mahan)
Subject: Need 300 mSec phone line delay for modem testing
Organization:  Dave McMahan @ NetCom Services 
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 06:16:00 GMT


I need to test a product that contains a modem.  One of the
requirements is that it work over a satellite.  This requirement can
be tested if we use a delay line between modems that has up to 300
milliseconds of delay in each direction.

1) The quality of the delayed signal must be such that a 2400 baud modem
   is able to operate over it.
   
2) Ideally, the delay would be adjustable over the range of 200 milliseconds
   to 300 milliseconds.  If it is fixed, I think we can live with it.

3) The delay equipment must have the necessary 2-to-4 wire conversion
   circuitry to convert from telco signal to whatever is required
   internally by the delay.  Ideally, we would just plug in an RJ-11 jack
   to obtain the desired delay.

4) Dialing and ringing via standard telco methods is not required.  All
   I'm looking for is the delay function that is accessible via RJ-11
   jacks.

We are not looking to purchase this piece of test gear.  We would like
to rent it instead.  If you know of a company that makes this type of
equipment or one that rents it, please let me know.

In the interests of brevity, please respond via e-mail directly to the
poster at:

      mcmahan@netcom.com


Dave McMahan   mcmahan@netcom.com

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From: VANTEK@aol.com
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 03:29:10 EDT
Subject: 17.5 No-Surcharge Travel Service


> The article was quite brief, but it seemed to indicate that ATN was
> offering a Calling Card service charging 17.5 cents per minute DAY
> rate, which is pretty good compared to the 23 cents which I am paying
> now.

> There is no surcharge associated with this service, and they didn't
> mention any monthly fees. (Although maybe there are - I'll see when I
> get their literature.) 

ATN doesn't have any monthly fees for their calling card. And yes, the
17.5 cents per minute is accurate. As a matter of fact, they will also
provide you with your own personal (800) number (residential, or
business) for $.18/min., also with no minimums, and no monthly fees.
They just recently added a 'message service' to their calling card,
which will deliver a recorded voice message to any number you dial
that is busy, or has no answer.  The actual long-distance service is
provided by LDDS/MetroMedia.

> I don't know if they offer six-second billing as does ConTelCom

Yes, all billing for the calling card and (800) service uses six
second incriments (30 sec. minimum). ATN resells long distance
services for LDDS, MCI, AT&T, etc. If you'd like any free applications, 
or further info on the company you can also e-mail me.  ATN is based
in Buffalo, NY and I'm currently contracted with them to market their
commercial and residential services.


Van Hefner   VANTEK Communications   vantek@aol.com

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From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.COM>
Subject: Information: Telephone Country/Area Codes: Anywhere:by Gopher|FTP
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 03:12:51 GMT


Passed along FYI:

 From: jayarama@chaph.usc.edu (Prakash Jayaraman)
 Newsgroups: comp.archives
 Subject: [soc.culture.tamil] INFO: telephone country/area codes:anywhere:
 by go pher|ftp.
 Followup-To: poster
 Date: 15 Jun 1994 15:53:27 +0200
 Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA


Archive-Name:
auto/soc.culture.tamil/INFO-telephone-country-area-codes-anywhere-by-gopher-ftpp

Hi,

Telephone Country codes/area codes are available through gopher or
ftp.

The gopher path that I went through was,
Gopher (USC, LA client)
        Other gophers
           Gopher by subject
              Gopher by subject from Rice university
                Geography
                   Telephone country /area codes
                     Telephone country/area codes from U.of.Oregon
                       search for country code/area code

U need to specify the place to get the country/area code.  Spelling is
a problem.

(I searched for Trichy, Tiruchy, Tiruchirappalli and Tiruchirapalli in
vain. Tiruchirappally is there. :) Even places like Somarasampettai,
Tirupparaaiththurai have been listed. There are two 'Hyderabad's. One
in India and another in Pakistan. Both Indian Salem and American Salem
are reported when u search for 'salem')

(README file has some more info.)

If u can't find out the area code by searching (because of wrong
spelling), use ftp.
 
README file can be read through Gopher. Each zone has been given a
number. For example South Asia has been given the number 9. Download
the corresponding file by ftp in the following site. (You can do it
through gopher again.)

The ftp site is:

lcs.mit.edu:/telecom-archives/country-codes

There is a file for each zone. Each is a .Z file. 

'uncompress' the file u downloaded and load it in emacs editor. Now do
a search. It is easy now. :)

Hope it helps.

_J._Prakash


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, I don't know *where* this fellow
is getting the country code files (which started out in the Telecom 
Archives) but as I have them posted they are *not* .Z or compressed
files. They are straight ASCII text as filed in the public directory
he mentions above.  Carl Moore and David Leibold maintain this part
of the Archives, and have for a few years now.  PAT]

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From: rkinder@gate.net (Robert J. Kinder)
Subject: MS-Windows based Centrex Attendant Console
Date: 28 Jun 1994 13:00:49 GMT


I am searching for an MS-Windows based Centrex Attendant Console.
Especially one which uses ISDN as the interface to the switch. Does
anyone know if this is available?


Thanks!

Robert Kinder      rkinder@gate.net         
Software Engineer  Siemens Stromberg-Carlson
                   Boca Raton, Florida      

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From: filipv@arti.vub.ac.be (Filip Vertommen)
Subject: Testing Tool For Tele-Software Wanted
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:11:15 GMT
Organization: VUB AI-LAB


We are a medium sized company in Belgium.  We have developed
tele-software for our customers.

We are currently looking for a testing and monitoring tool: this tool
should allow us to control this tele-service from a customer's point
of view and to test new developments in this area before bringing them
to our customers.

The tool should be able to:

   1. easily register test-flows and the wanted results: in fact to 
       simulate a customer
   2. make comparisons between expected and real results

As the software should be able to make telephone-calls as well as
connection through a LAN, we think that a PC-program (running in
MS-Windows(?)) would be the best solution.

Does anyone know of such a program or does anyone have other
suggestions?

We are willing to pay a reasonable price for such a package.

You can contact us by phone (Belgium: +32.2.422.75.29, Mr. Vertommen) or 
by E-mail (filipv@arti.vub.ac.be).

Thank you, it would help us a lot.

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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 07:27:09 EST
From: Alex Cena <acena@lehman.com>
Subject: SMRs Licensees Wanted


Can anyone supply me with a good source to locate SMR licensees in
foreign markets?


Alex M. Cena, Lehman Brothers, acena@lehman.com

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From: rbs@cs.city.ac.uk (Robert Scott)
Subject: Hungarian Portables
Date: 28 Jun 1994 16:59:05 GMT
Organization: Computer Science Dept, City University, London
Reply-To: rbs@cs.city.ac.uk


I noticed that quite a lot of people in Hungary have portable phones,
maybe even approaching the percentage per population as in the UK
(pure speculation from watching posers with portables on the street).
Apparantly people are turning to portables because it still takes 10
years to get a phoneline installed in Hungary (unless you are a new
convertable currency earning company).

I was thinking that it might be handy to be able to roam between
Hungary and the UK.  Does anyone know anything about such roaming?  It
looked to me like many of the phones were GSM900 type with the smart
card.


Rob Scott, City University, London

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From: githeko@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu (Jason M. Githeko)
Subject: Modems For Kenya
Date: 28 Jun 1994 21:06:48 GMT
Organization: University of Illinois


I am part of an effort to promote the use of simple computer networks
to overcome the great difficulties that people in Kenya (and Africa in
general) have in acquiring information.

A number of sel-help organizations are involved in the effort
including the Kenya Association for the Advancement of Computer
Technolgy (KAACT) to which I belong.

We appeal to anyone interested to help with procurement of modems
(2400 to 9600 baud external) which are badly needed but not affordable
by the health and educational institutions we seek to help. Modems may
be new or used.

You may contact me for further info regarding this effort.  Thanks.


Jason M. Githeko    University of Illinois
1310 S. 6th, #345   Champaign, IL 61820 
e-mail: githeko@uiuc.edu

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From: awoolfso@uop.edu (Aaron Woolfson)
Subject: Non-Tariffed Long Distance Telecommunications Carriers
Date: 28 Jun 1994 04:26:28 -0700
Organization: University of the Pacific


I would like to discuss SLAMMING, and ask for your help to help us
stop it.  Long Distance Carriers, just like consumers, DO NOT like
having subscribers SLAMMED to their networks.  It is generally the
work of UNTARIFFED resellers who work on Commission and Flat-Fee per
account only, not the work of fully tariffed Long Distance Carriers.

SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SLAMMED, IN FACT, that I thought I would
address this problem and ask for your assistance in helping solve it.

Delta Telecommunications, based in Stockton, California, has recently
submitted all of the respective paperwork to become a fully tariffed
long distance telephone carrier to handle calls within the State of
California.

A certain carrier based in Hawaii, which I will not mention for fear
of being sued for slander, has boxes in almost every establishment
here in Stockton, California, advertising "Win a new Car!"  What
people who enter don't realize is the small text on THE BACK and on
the bottom which says that WilTel will become the primary carrier.

I phoned the president of the company and asked them if they were
tariffed.  They said "no" and that they just get a percentage from
WilTel on billings.  This would appear to a lot of people as
"slamming".  I called the Public Utilities Commission and asked them.

IF YOU ARE GOING TO BE SIGNING UP SUBSCRIBERS WITHIN THE STATE OF
CALIFORNIA AND YOU ARE A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM THE RESPECTIVE CARRIER,
THEN YOU MUST FILE A TARIFF.  UNLESS, HOWEVER, YOU ARE JUST AN AGENT
REPRESENTING THE RESPECTIVE TARIFFED CARRIER AND ARE OPERATING UNDER
THEIR TARIFF.  I.E. Phoenix Network D.B.A. Office Depot Communications.  
This is fine and legal.  But ABC Resellers slamming subscribers to
WilTel, Sprint, or AT&T is NOT fine.

IF anyone has any questions regarding the technicalities of California
Public Utilities Code or any of the procedures which Carriers must go
through to become Tariffed, please call the California State Public
Utilities Commission.

IF anyone has a complaint, according to Joe McIlvane of the California
Public Utilities Commission; the commission takes it very seriously.
PLEASE complain if you get SLAMMED.

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From: ben@pipkin.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Ben Anderson)
Subject: GSM Coverage of Indonesia?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 10:28:49 GMT
Reply-To: B.Anderson@loughborough.ac.uk
Organization: Loughborough University of Technology


Hello,

Does anyone know if GSM covers parts of Indonesia - specifically
southern Sumatra. Or is it just a European service?


Thanks,

Ben Anderson
<a href="http://pipkin.lut.ac.uk">LUTCHI Research Centre</a>
Department of Computer Studies   Loughborough University
Loughborough  Leicestershire   UK    B.Anderson@lut.ac.uk

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From: Peter Rukavina <peter@crafts-council.pe.ca>
Subject: Sending cross-stitch by telegraph: did anyone ever do it?
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:48:52 +0100


As part of a "what is digital information, anyway?" spot for local
radio I put together, I used the process of creating a cross-stitch
pattern from a photograph -- essentially, you lay a grid on tracing
paper over top and fill in the 'black' squares with an 'X' and leave
the 'white' squares blank -- as an example of digitizing a picture.

Earlier I had used the example of Morse Code as an example of the same 
sort of thing applied to text.

It occured to me that "in the old days" it would have been possible to
send a cross-stitch pattern (or any sort of similar "digitized picture") 
by telegraph just by using a 'dash' to represent an 'X' and a 'dot' to
represent a 'blank.'

Does anyone know whether anything like this was ever actually done?


Peter

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From: jlundgre@ohlone.kn.PacBell.COM (John Lundgren)
Subject: Phone Scrambler, Caller ID Information
Date: 28 Jun 94 09:40:01 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


I found a couple items of interest.  Sorry about the blatant commercialism.

TELEPHONE CALL SCRAMBLER
from Vol 29 Supplement & Price List
 
Manufacturer: TT Systems 
 
* Intercepts incoming calls with a synthesized voice message asking
 for secret code.  *  Auto disconnect when code is not entered
 *  Three digit secret code is easily programmed by user between
 000 and 999  *  One button on/off control *  LED allows user to
 see if incoming calls are being processed  *  Does not effect
 outgoing calls.  * Simply plugs into telephone jack and AC outlet.
 
Product No. TT-PS1000, Price: $79.83
Also many other catalog items available.  Such as:
Northern Telecom NT-XT Caller ID module $15.99,   NT XT+ $18.97
 
Tele-Com Products, Inc.
1070 Hamilton Rd.  Duarte, CA 91010 USA
(800) 888-7466 / (818) 303-1183
Judi Lomas X413  FAX (818) 358-8485


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oh, don't worry about commercializing the
net ... I do it all the time  :) ... trouble is, the folks who complain
about it had better hope -- they should be so lucky -- that my feeble
little 'commercials' in the past are the worst it gets; but I don't think
so. You should see all the stuff I am junking unused these days if you
want to see what 'commercializing the net' is all about. It comes through
heavily some days. Farewell to Usenet as we knew it ...  :(     PAT]  

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