TELECOM Digest     Fri, 10 Mar 95 00:27:00 CST    Volume 15 : Issue 144

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Voicemail System Wanted (Skot Magnum)
    Re: What is Loop Start? (Tony Zuccarino)
    Re: Tired of S.314 Hysteria (Tony Zuccarino)
    Re: PBS Rumors and Innuendo: Any Truth? (Steve Cogorno)
    Re: Help: E Telco Step-by-Step Switch (John Lundgren)
    Re: Video Dialtone, HFC, HDSL, or ADSL (John Lundgren)
    Re: CONY Baltimnore (Stan Schwartz)
    Marine Communications (Carter Thomasson)
    Inexpensive Caller ID Boxes by Mail-Order? (Darrin Smith)
    LATA Maps Wanted (Phillip Schuman)
    ADCPM and CO's (Steven Bergman)
    Hello Direct on the WWW (Bill Seward)
    Reliability Analysis Programs Wanted (Phil McMillan)
    Help! Telecommuting Options (dperlmutte1@vaxa.hofstra.edu)
    FM Radio Stock Data (ronxx@aol.com)
    Re: AT&T Offers 'International Redial' (Axel Schmidt)
    Re: Europe Postal Services and Datacom (Axel Schmidt)
    Tables of Long Distance Rates (Joubert Berger)
    CPE Outsourcing - Anecdotes Wanted (Mark Peacock)
    Re: Legal Notice: MCI Class Action Settlement (Charleen 
Bunjiovianna)

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From: Skot <magnum@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Voicemail System Wanted
Date: 9 Mar 1995 01:09:07 GMT
Organization: Primenet


sgrossin@carleton.edu (seth) wrote:

> My client is looking for an inbound voicemail/telenotification system 
for
> providing callers with messages ("listings").  This system must meet 
the
> following requirements:

> - A DOS or Windows-based solution;
> - Support for up to five different option levels (e.g. categories, 
subcate-
>   gories, etc. ending with listings);
> - Excellent message management (delete, update, view);
> - Message copy/paste capabilities;
> - Automatic deletion of messages older than two weeks;
> - Support for up to 3000 1-minute messages;
> - Multiple paths to the same listings (e.g. by type, then area, then
listing,
>   or by area, then type, then the same listing);
> - Support for multiple phone lines (two to five).

Yes you can do it all with DUET by Magnum & Ram Research. Call for more
info (818) 701-5051.


Skot Magnum Software

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From: tony.zuccarino@nb.rockwell.com (Tony Zuccarino)
Subject: Re: What is Loop Start?
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 01:30:40 GMT


Is there a reliable way for local telephone equipment to determine
that the remote caller has disconnected?

In other words, when someone hangs up after recording a message on my
answering machine, is there a way for the answering machine DAA to
detect that this caller has hung up, apart from detecting silence for
some time?


Tony Zuccarino        Internet: tony.zuccarino@nb.rockwell.com
Product Marketing     Rockwell Telecommunications 


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Sure there is. I think CPC -- Called
Party Control -- does that. I've had answering machines and voicemail
equipment at various times that did that. As soon as the calling party
disconnected, my equipment did the same immediatly. In fact I have a
Big Mouth card here now which operates that way.   PAT]

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From: tony.zuccarino@nb.rockwell.com (Tony Zuccarino)
Subject: Re: Tired of S.314 Hysteria
Organization: Rockwell International
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 22:24:39 GMT


In article <telecom15.127.3@eecs.nwu.edu>, /G=Brad/S=Hicks/OU1=0205465@
mhs-mc.attmail.com wrote:

> Am I the only person tired of being spammed about S.314, or just the
> first one to complain about it?  Do I have to read seven to ten copies
> of this in every newsgroup, even areas as obscure as 
alt.games.whitewolf?  
> All this, on top of the maybe twenty or thirty copies I've gotten as
> e-mail?

> Can there possibly be anyone on the planet with an e-mail address who
> =doesn't= know about S.314?
  
> The easily alarmed might worry that some court will say that you 
=could=
> have known, and therefore =should= have known.  But that's not up to
> prosecutors, that's up to juries.  When witnesses testify as to how 
many
> kilobytes or megabytes flow through your system per night, no jury is
> going to say that you should have read it all.  If you present 
evidence
> that you couldn't have known, because those bits were all encrypted 
and
> people didn't tell you what was in them, nobody's going to rule that 
you
> =could= have known, let alone =should= have.

So it's ok to be brought up on charges and go in front of jury,
because after all they are going to decide in favour of common sense
and acquit you.

In general I am not in favour of any law that via loose interpretation
nets in just about any information service provider to spend time,
money, and reputation in court just to prove what you seem to agree
would be their foregone innocence.


Tony Zuccarino        Internet: tony.zuccarino@nb.rockwell.com
Product Marketing     Rockwell International


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Neither am I, but remember, none of
the big guys will be affected anyway. It all depends on you having a
lawyer who, umm ... can properly make his point to the lawyers who work
for the government. You and I cannot afford that type, so the law
will apply only to small organizations and individual users, which
basically means if they pass the law we wil be right where we started
out anyway.  Overall, its a dumb idea. I urge a no vote.    PAT]

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From: cogorno@netcom.com (Steve Cogorno)
Subject: Re: PBS Rumors and Innuendo: Any Truth?
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 20:28:04 PST


> Barney and Big Bird would obviously have a life if Federal PBS funding
> were axed.  I'm not sure about the "for a fee, of course" phrase,
> since we *already* pay a fee through our tax dollars.  I, myself,
> enjoy listening to Click & Clack on NPR's "Car Talk," but I would have
> no problems cutting funding for left-leaning shows such as "Morning
> Edition."  There is *much* more to PBS than Sesame Street, boys and
> girls.

"Your tax dollars" amounts to about $0.75 for PBS.  THe federal
government only gives PBS $147 million a year.  Did you know that
military marching bands cost over $250 million a year?  Which would
you rather support?

By the way, Morning Edition is most certainly NOT "left-leaning." The
reporters are fair, generally accurate, and sometimes talk about
controversial topics, but they most certainly are not leftist.

> Did anyone else catch this?  This is propoganda pure and simple --
> the writer is trying to pull the wool over yer eyes, yanking your
> chain with Jingoistic "America First!" language to hide the fact
> that this guy's a socialist.

>> Perhaps the bitter battle over Big Bird and Barney's future
>> makes a bit more sense now.

> Makes perfect sense: "Capitalism is evil, communism is good."

And what exactly is a socialist in your eyes?


Steve    cogorno@netcom.com

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From: jlundgre@kn.PacBell.COM (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Help: E Telco Step-by-Step Switch
Date: 8 Mar 1995 05:49:20 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


nadia (n.) smyrniw (smyrniw@bnr.ca) wrote:

> I am looking for information about an E Telco Step-by-Step Switch.  I
> am looking for any information (Manufacturer, type of test trunk
> ect....)  All I know about it is that it was manufacured in England in
> the distant past, but I don't know by whom.  Maybe Strowger?
> If anyone has any information please let me know. 

Often the old equipment had a 'KS' or 'KSS' on it, and this meant that
the equipment maker was Kellogg Switch and Signal, I think the name
was.  Just something that I remembered from my military days long ago.
I hope I'm not too far off. If so, there will probably be someone
correcting me in a followup.


John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs   
Rancho Santiago Community College District   
17th St. at Bristol \ Santa Ana, CA 92706    
jlundgre@pop.rancho.cc.ca.us\jlundgre@kn.pacbell.com 

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From: jlundgre@kn.PacBell.COM (John Lundgren)
Subject: Re: Video Dialtone, HFC, HDSL, or ADSL
Date: 8 Mar 1995 06:19:45 GMT
Organization: Pacific Bell Knowledge Network


Timothy Kreps (tkreps@netcom.com) wrote:

> Where can I find info or discussions on:

>   - video dialtone,
>   - Hybrid Fiber/Coax (HFC),

We were talking in a meeting with our Pac Bell service reps last week
and we brought up the subject of ISDN and pair gain, and one of the
reps said that if we get the SLICs, they might be connected to the CO
by fiber.  And PacBell is looking into installing fiber into
neighborhoods, and there will be some coax going from the fiber 'hub'
(I don't know what they will be calling it), to the individual
subscribers.  I guess this is what is being talked about among others
besides the telcos because it involves competition for the cable TV
companies' customers.


John Lundgren - Elec Tech - Info Tech Svcs  
Rancho Santiago Community College District  
17th St. at Bristol \ Santa Ana, CA 92706   
jlundgre@pop.rancho.cc.ca.us\jlundgre@kn.pacbell.com 

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From: stans@panix.com (Stan Schwartz)
Subject: Re: CONY Baltimnore
Date: 8 Mar 1995 00:01:01 -0500
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC


Doug Reuben (dreuben@interpage.net) wrote:

> I assume you had automatic call delivery turned "ON" (ie, you had hit
> *350 sometime in the past?). You may want to try that to (A) make sure
> that Call Delivery is ON (or in NACN terms, "Do Not Disturb" is off),
> and (B) to "force" a registration of your phone in the visited market.

I tried that and I received confirmation tones.  I was also able to make
outgoing calls, so I know I was registered.

>> I called CellOne's 800 number, and the rep told me that even though
>> Baltimore is a NACN city, incoming callers had to dial a roamer 
access
>> number! 

> Totally untrue -- you do NOT need to use the access port as a CO/NY 
> customer roaming in Baltimore. Indeed, you may be precluded from doing 
so.

The roamer access numbers for 202 and 410 both reached me.

> Bell that they did indeed have a problem, and all I got from them was
> "poor coverage" excuses (even though they managed to hear me fine on 
*611!).


CO/NY has told me that 611 uses "Separate channels".  Does this sound
like a load or what?  ;-)

> Now without any 
>> CellOne Strikes Again!

> Hmm ... Cell One/DC-Baltimore, sure ... let 'em have it! Cell One/NY, 
> hmmm ... I'd be slightly more hesistant to blame them.

Well their weekend help has once again proven that they don't know how
roaming works.

> The next step is to detect these problems BEFORE the customer can. To
> some extent, for some problems, this may not be possible. Yet I feel
> that if *I* can detect these problems by performing a few simple tests
> when I get to a roaming market, that the major cell carriers could do
> this as well.  It would go a LONG way towards eliminating "surprises"
> like Stan experienced in Baltimore or Canada, and like those which
> CO/NY customers are currently experiencing in Poughkeepsie and most of
> Dutches County, NY.

Sometimes I just get the feeling that I am paying to beta test some
future large communications system.

On a related note, does anyone know why the cell companies won't give
us *70 Call Wait Blocking (other than they won't get twice the air
charges when I answer the second call?)


Stan


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The ultimate *70 Call Wait Blocking is
to take Call Waiting off your cell phone entirely. Do you really need
such a frivilous feature?  That would end the double airtime charges
once and for all wouldn't it?     PAT]

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Date: Thu, 9 Mar 1995 16:55:51 -0500
From: CTHOMASSON@aol.com
Subject: Marine Communications


I am investigating communication alternatives for offshore vessels.
These are not large ocean going ships, but are ones that operate in
coastal (up to a hundred or so miles out) and inland waters. As with
the larger ocean ships these too must have single-side band radio, but
that technology is not suitable for data transmission. Currently the
best alternative seems to be a system and service from "BoatTracs", a
subsidiary of QualCom. They use small satellite antennas on the
vessels to access a satellite and their earth station in CA. This is
the same technology that QualComm uses for the trucking industry. On
ship-to-shore messages the earth station provides a store and forward
service, with an alert process for urgent, emergency messages.
Shore-to-ship messages are passed to the ship within three to five
minutes, there is no store and forward. Messages may be or contain
files.

The major advantages of this technology are reliable data transmissions 
 from all N.  American waters and relatively low costs.  The 
disadvantages 
are that only data traffic is possible, service is limited to North.
America, and the user is tied to Qualcomm as a single source for both
equipment and service. Cellular has been investigated.  Its equipment
costs is less, but it suffers greatly in range and reliability. The
low reliability drives up costs through retransmissions.  It is also
not easily used in other world areas. LEO systems may offer an
alternative, but that is at least three to five years away.  Imarsat 
services, as are used on larger ocean going ships, offer global access
and voice, but with significantly higher costs.  Does anyone know of
other alternatives, either to the technology or to Qualcomm as a
provider?  Is this a sound investment for the user over the next five to 
seven years?  Comments and references will be appreciated, either
directly to my email address or via the Digest. I will provide a
follow-up to the Digest.


Carter Thomasson    CThomasson@aol.com 



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From: dsmith01@ccun.eds.com (Darrin Smith)
Subject: Inexpensive Caller ID Boxes by Mail-Order?
Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:32:00 GMT
Organization: CUSD


The subject says it all.  I'm looking for an inexpensive caller id box
for my home in TX, USA.

Any suggestions?

You may email me at darrinps@aol.com.

Thanks in advance.

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From: Phillip Schuman <72510.1164@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: LATA Maps Wanted
Date: 9 Mar 1995 22:35:16 GMT
Organization: via CompuServe Information Service


I'm looking for a company that sells LATA maps -- I've seen them but
don't have one handy or the names of the folks that market them.

Please respond to the E-mail address - tnx.


Phil - Chicago

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From: sbergman@ix.netcom.com (Steven Bergman)
Subject: ADCPM and CO's
Date: 9 Mar 1995 23:12:10 GMT
Organization: Netcom


Hi,

I was wondering if anyone know of a resource whereby I could determine 
whether a particular CO supported both ISDN and ADPCM.  Also, what 
devices, if any, are out there that currently combine the two of them in 
some way.


Tia,

Steve Bergman   Teleconvergence    Beaverton, OR 

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Date: Thu,  9 Mar 95 18:58:56 EST
From: wjs@nr.infi.net
Subject: Hello Direct on the WWW


Just in case I'm not the last person on earth to see this, Hello
Direct has a WWW site:

http://www.hello-direct.com/hd


Bill Seward     wjs@nr.infi.net

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From: phil.p.a.mcmillan@msmail.bhp.com.au (Phil McMillan)
Subject: Reliability Analysis Programs Wanted
Date: 10 Mar 1995 04:02:04 GMT
Organization: BHP Steel Slab and Plate Products Division


Hi all,

Does anybody know of any commercially available Reliability Analysis
programs of use in the design of high speed computer networks?


Phil     phil.p.a.mcmillan@msmail.bhp.com.au

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Subject: Help! Telecommuting Options
From: dperlmutte1@vaxa.hofstra.edu
Date: 9 Mar 95 23:09:43 EST
Organization: Hofstra University


I am an MBA student researching people's experiences (Advantages/disad-
vantages) with telecommuting.  I would also like some company specific
data regarding their experiences with employees telecommuting.
Whether their employees were more productive or had better morale.

Any response is appreciated.


Thank you in advance.

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From: ronxx@aol.com (Ron XX)
Subject: FM Radio Stock Data
Date: 9 Mar 1995 23:40:47 -0500
Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364)
Reply-To: ronxx@aol.com (Ron XX)


Does anyone know the format of stock market data (baud rate, word
length, etc) transmitted on the sub-carrier of FM radio stations in
major cities?

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From: schmidt@berlin.snafu.de (Axel Schmidt)
Subject: Re: AT&T Offers 'International Redial'
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 04:01:55 GMT


In article <telecom15.139.7@eecs.nwu.edu>, khinedi@bu.edu (Kareem 
Hinedi) 
wrote:

> Actually, as late as 1988 or 1989, there was no direct dial service to
> Syria.  You had to "book" the call with the AT&T operator.  You would

> I am sure this is still used for the few countries which cannot be
> reached by direct dialing.

There is (and has been) direct dial from Germany (at $2 per minute).
Didn't know there's a difference from the country you're calling ...


Axel
schmidt@berlin.snafu.de | FidoNet 2:2410/121.21
Homepage: http://www.snafu.de/~schmidt
Erstellen von WWW-Seiten (HTML)

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From: schmidt@berlin.snafu.de (Axel Schmidt)
Subject: Re: Europe Postal Services and Datacom
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 95 04:06:07 GMT


In article <telecom15.139.12@eecs.nwu.edu>, fvjole@xs4all.nl (Francisco 
van Jole) wrote:

>> I am trying to find out which European countries have postal
>> services that also offer "information highway" services (for example,
>> e-mail, Internet

Here in Germany Deutsche Post AG has invented something they call
ePost: you hand in your letters on disk, they'll "transport" them via
computer networks and print them out at the town of destination, where
it will be delivered as an ordinary letter. Don't know about the costs.


Axel
schmidt@berlin.snafu.de | FidoNet 2:2410/121.21
Homepage: http://www.snafu.de/~schmidt
Erstellen von WWW-Seiten (HTML)

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From: Joubert Berger <joubert@teldata.com>
Subject: Tables of Long Distance Rates Wanted
Date: 9 Mar 1995 19:58:19 GMT
Organization: MindSpring Enterprises


I am looking for long distance rate tables from all the long   
distance carriers. Anyone know where I can get this information? 
 
Thanks in advance ... 
 

Joubert 
 
P.S.  I am having problems my email.  If you can't reach me at 
joubert@teldata.com, try joubert%teldata@mathcs.emory.edu.

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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 13:12:40 CST
From: Peacock, Mark <mpeacock@dttus.com>
Subject: CPE Outsourcing - Anecdotes Wanted


As outsourcing of all types has boomed over the past 3 years, I have
noticed an increasing interest in CPE (customer-premise equipment)
outsourcing, with a specific focus on PBX outsourcing.  I am
researching this area for a magazine article and would be interested
in any thoughts or anecdotes that TELECOM Digest readers could pass
along.
     
In my experience and research, I have seen two types of CPE outsourcing 
scenarios:
     
1) Conversion to Centrex -- A sort of Back-to-the-Future outsourcing   
   scenario; Centrex is what businesses used before the PBX explosion  
   of the late 1970's and early 1980's.  When converting to Centrex as 
   part of an outsourcing strategy, companies are not only buying      
   lines, but also system administration, capacity/configuration       
   engineering and route optimization.  Comparing this to the more     
   common field of data processing outsourcing, conversion to Centrex  
   is similar to moving your data center to an outsourcer's IPC        
   (integrated processing center).  Conversion to Centrex seems to     
   work best for companies with fairly straightforward telecom        
   environments.
     
2) PBX Management -- In this strategy, the company stays on its PBX,   
   but all service and administration is performed by the outsourcer.  
   The assets themselves (PBX, phones, miscellaneous switch room       
   equipment) may be transferred or sold to the outsourcer as part of  
   the deal.  This strategy allows a company to move toward            
   outsourcing without changing their current environment (and so      
   incurring retraining costs), and to move assets off of their        
   balance sheet (without booking a loss for undepreciated equipment   
   if the transfer price is negotiated correctly).  This strategy is   
   similar to facility management deals in the data processing         
   outsourcing industry.  PBX Management seems to be most attractive   
   to companies with more complex telecom applications -- examples     
   include ACD applications, data switching through the PBX, private   
   voice/data networks.
     
And, as with all things in the world, there are also approaches that 
are hybrids between the two.
     
I would appreciate any thoughts or anecdotes that digest readers could 
pass along.  Private e-mail is fine -- I will summarize the results 
and post here if the sender does not indicate a desire otherwise.
     

Thanks,

Mark Peacock

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From: charleen@goonsquad.spies.com (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Subject: Re: Legal Notice: MCI Class Action Settlement
Date: 9 Mar 1995 11:13:10 -0800
Organization: Diadem Vintage Costume Jewelry, courtesy of Internet 
wiretap


In article <95.03.06.02efd@eecs.nwu.edu> TELECOM Moderator
<telecom@eecs.nwu.edu> writes:

> [quoting class action legalese]
> MCI has made available $43 million in long distance certificates 
(herein-
> after, 'Certificates') to cover potential claims by members of the
> Settlement Classes.  [.. ] The Certificates are non-transferrable
> and must be used exclusively toward charges for making future long 
distance
> calls on MCI's network. [...] In addition, $17 million is included in 
the 
> amount of the settlement for attorney fees and Court costs, including 
> the fee of the administrator employed by the Court to oversee the 
> settlement process.

OK, I've got to ask:

If "Certificates" are a suitable settlement for members of the
aggrieved Classes, why is it that the attorneys, Court, and
administrator get $17 million in CASH?

Lawyers make phone calls, too.  Let 'em take their fee in stacks of
MCI long-distance Certificates.  Heh-heh.


Charleen


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ha ha ha Charleen. You're a real riot,
you know that?  Not only that, there are only a half-dozen of them
compared to how many hundreds of thousands of customers to get the
$43 million in certificates parcelled out among them at $40-50 per
person. So a half-dozen lawyers get $2-3 million dollars in cash
each; you get the husks. So what else is old?   I have an idea! This
has probably never been done before: let's tell 'bash-the-lawyers'
jokes ... I'll start!

So these three guys traveling through the countryside one night get
caught in a terrible snow storm, and they have to seek refuge at the
farmer's house. No, the farmer does not have any daughters and this
is not *that kind* of joke ... be quiet and listen up!

One guy is a Hindu; another is a Jew, and the third is a lawyer. The
farmer says well okay, you can stay at my house overnight, but the
problem is I only have two spare bedrooms, so one of you is going to
have to sleep in the barn. Well the three grumble about this at first
but since it is National Brotherhood Week (as Tom Leher nicely phrased
it, "Everyone Smile at One Anotherhood Week") the Jew decides to show
he is a good guy and he agrees to sleep in the barn. So he picks up
his stuff, goes out to the barn and the farmer and his two guests go
to their respective chambers and retire for the night.

Within ten minutes there is a knock at the door. Everyone wakes up and
goes downstairs, only to find the Jew standing at the door with a look
of disgust on his face. "I can't sleep out there," he says. "In that
barn I saw a pig. It is against my religion to have anything to do with
pork at all; I don't even want to be near it." After some debate about
this, the Hindu decides to show he is willing to cooperate so he agrees
to sleep in the barn. Upstairs to his bedroom he goes, gets all of his
stuff and carries it out the door and over to the barn. The Jew now
moves into the bedroom where the Hindu had been, and everyone goes
back to sleep.

But not for long ... a few minutes later there is a knock at the door.
Everyone wakes up, goes downstairs and there stands the Hindu. It seems
in the barn there was also a cow. The Hindu explains that 'in my 
religion, cows are very sacred animals ... why, it would be heresy and
very sacrilgious to actually live in a barn with one ...' and he asks
to trade places. Well, that only leaves the lawyer, and he does not 
like this one iota. Sleeping in a barn is quite beneath his stature
you see. Realizing his options are limited at this point, he agrees,
and after going upstairs and packing his things, he takes it all out
to the barn. Soon everyone has gone back to their chambers and fallen
asleep, only to be awakened a few minutes later by yet another knock
on the door.

Everyone comes downstairs again, and the farmer opens the door, this
time to be greeted by  ...... the cow and the pig standing there.

May your weekend be a pleasant one!      PAT]

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