TELECOM Digest     Sun, 5 Mar 95 07:55:00 CST    Volume 15 : Issue 134

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    New Delphi Forum (Scott Gordon)
    Cubix Remote Access Server (Scott Gordon)
    Radio Commentator Gets a Caller ID Callback (Dave Leibold)
    GSM Roaming (was E(TACS) and GSM) (Mark J. Elkins)
    POTs Wanted! (Jay W. Shoup)
    Analog Interface Parameters (Eli Cohen)
    64 Kbps HDLC PCMCIA Interface (Milo S. Medin)
    Book Review: "USENIX Conference Keynote Address" by Barlow (Rob 
Slade)
    Help Wanted Wtih ISDN Service (Gregory Hicks)
    Pizza Hut in Atlanta (Ted Koppel)
    Re: Pizza Hunt Consolidated Phone Number - All Locations (Chris 
Hudel)
    Re: Pizza Hunt Consolidated Phone Number - All Locations (Scott 
Montague)
    Re: And the Grammy For Poor Planning Goes to ... (Bob Wilkins)

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From: GORDONSBBS@delphi.com
Subject: New Delphi Forum
Date: 5 Mar 1995 04:36:52 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation


SBBS Communications has recently opened a CUSTOM FORUM on the DELPHI
network.  This forum is dedicated to Wireless communications (i.e.
Numeric and Alphanumeric Pagers, Cellular Phones, PCMCIA Modems, Etc.).
In addition to various discussions, wireless products will also be
sold throughout this forum.

Delphi Customer Forum #393 - SBBS Communications - Wireless Forum

The following items are only a small sampling of the products SBBS 
currently
offers:

-    Pagers (Motorola Numeric & Alphanumeric)
-    Cellular Phones (Motorola, Nokia, Audiovox, OKI)
-    Cellular Accessories (Batteries, Cigarette Adapters, Leather Cases)
-    PCMCIA Modems & Data-Links

How To Get A Delphi Account:

1.   Call 1-800-695-4002 Using Your Modem
2.   When your prompted for a USERNAME, enter JOINDELPHI
3.   When your prompted for a PASSWORD, enter CUSTOM393

New users are allotted their FIRST five (5) hours of usage FREE.


* Brought To You By *

SBBS Communications
444 Skokie Blvd. Suite #211
Wilmette, Illinois 60091
Voice: (708) 256-4600
Fax: (708) 256-4488

Scott Gordon - Internet ID: GORDONSBBS@DELPHI.COM
Need A Pager and/or Cellular Phone? You need it, I've got it!

Host Of Delphi Custom Forum #393 - SBBS Communications/Wireless Forum

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From: GORDONSBBS@delphi.com
Subject: Cubix Remote Access Server
Date: 5 Mar 1995 04:36:21 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation


Quoting dmorey from a message in comp.dcom.telecom

> Has anyone used Cubix products?  We are looking at their remote access
> server solution for our dial-in lines.  We have pretty much picked
> their product but I wanted to get some comments from the field.

I've used cubix boards along with Netware Connect.  What info were you
looking for?


Scott Gordon - Internet ID: GORDONSBBS@DELPHI.COM

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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 23:49:13 EST
From: Dave Leibold <dleibold@gvc.com>
Subject: Radio Commentator Gets a Caller ID Callback


Andy Barrie's commentary on CFRB Radio Toronto on 3rd March dealt with
the subject of Caller ID technology. Barrie told the story of a call
he got at 2 am one morning from someone saying "you called me". He was
mystified for a while until the mystery caller identified his last name.

It turned out Barrie was trying to reach someone else with the same
last name (two listings were found for the surname; call attempt #1 was
for the mystery caller who didn't answer at the time; attempt #2 was
the person being looked for). Caller #1 had a call display unit that
recorded the Caller ID transactions, and thus Andy Barrie's unblocked
call would have shown up as one of the calls.

The commentary was on the CFRB 1010 access line at +1 416 872.2372
(872.CFRB) - select 4 on touch tone to hear the feature commentaries;
Andy Barrie's material is then obtained by selecting 2). This will
likely be replaced with Barrie's next commentary as of Monday 6th March.


David Leibold -+- dleibold@gvc.com -+- aa070@freenet.toronto.on.ca

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From: mje@posix.co.za (Mark J Elkins)
Subject: GSM Roaming (was E(TACS) and GSM)
Date: 5 Mar 1995 08:26:44 -0200
Organization: Posix Systems


> GSM is up and running in *all* western european countries except for
> Spain.  Other European countries are Hungary and Russia.  Some none-
> European countries running or opening shortly are:

> Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Australia, New
> Zealand, South, Africa, Namibia, Egypt, Marocco, United Arab Emirates,
> Argentine, Kamerun, China, India, Pakistan, Fidji.  I probably forgot
> about half of them, but my point is that there are more than seven ...

> You can roam within Europe, at least one network per country and the
> "older" nets in Asia, such as Australasia, Hong Kong, Thailand,
> Singapore.

Just had some international people come to South Africa for some 
training.
There were two people from Denmark and one from the UK. Their GSM phones
worked just fine -- without any prior setup -- although the Danes 
reported
that one local carrier - MTN - stopped working after two days -- were as
Vodacom stayed working for the three week duration they were here for.

My carrier says I must swap my SIM card before going overseas. (ie - Let
them know).

Some differences between networks, for voice mail, I am notified via
SMS, they get a phone call from the provider. I can send SMS to other
phones -- they can't (I believe).


Olivetti Systems & Networks, Unix Support - Sth Africa
mje@posix.co.za  -  Mark J. Elkins  -  Postmaster
Tel: +27 11 456 3125  Cell: +27 83 601 0496

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From: jshoup@holli.com (Jay W. Shoup)
Subject: POTs Wanted!
Organization: Advanced Technologies
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 07:53:56 GMT


Cute subject line ehh!

This will sound like a really wierd request. My telco supplier does not
have a telephone that will shortly be needed by one of my customers!
If anyone has the name and telco number where I can locate a phone to
"fill the bill" I would appreciate it!

1. Powered from AC wall adapter NOT telco lines);
2. Line busy indicator;
3. Ringer control (on/off);
4. CHEAP!;
5. Single line;
6. POTS (Plain old telephone service compatable).

I have in mind a Northern Telcom model QT200 (NT2N17AA332) but can not
locate where I bought it or where to get it now. Any help would be
greatly appreciated!

About 30 of the phones will be needed!


Jshoup@holli.com   317-664-2066

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From: gandalf!elic@uunet.uu.net (Eli Cohen)
Subject: Analog Interface Parameters
Organization: Tel-Aviv University Computation Center
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 08:56:46 GMT


I'm looking for information in the form of articles, research papers 
etc.
on the topic: Analog Interface Parameters.
 
The parameters I'm looking for (such as Line Impedance, Dial Tone,
Cadences, etc.) should be categorized be country of origin.

Thanks for your help.
 

Eli Cohen   elic@lannet.com
 
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From: medin@nsipo.nasa.gov (Milo S. Medin)
Subject: 64 Kbps HDLC PCMCIA interface
Date: 5 Mar 1995 08:59:33 GMT
Organization: Nasa Science Internet


Hi.  I'm looking for a way to interface an IBM ThinkPad 755 series
computer with an INMARSAT-A ground station at 64 Kbps, without using a
seperate device such as a router.  Since the TP's onboard serial ports
can't support this, I am thinking that the only way to pull this off
is via some sort of PCMCIA interface, that could support sync. PPP at
64 Kbps (externally clocked).

Does anyone know of anyone that makes such a beast?  I know about ISA
boards that can do this, but the TP has to operate (in this context)
without a dock, so it's only the onboard interfaces or PCMCIA gear
that works.


Thanks,

Milo Medin
NASA Ames Research Center

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Date: Sat, 04 Mar 1995 14:09:22 EST
From: Rob Slade <roberts@mukluk.decus.ca>
Subject: Book Review: "USENIX Conference Keynote Address" by Barlow


CSBARLOW.RVW   950110
 
"USENIX Conference Keynote Address: San Francisco, CA, January 17, 
1994",
Barlow, 1-56592-992-6, U$9.95
%A   John Perry Barlow
%C   103 Morris Street, Suite A, Sebastopol, CA   95472
%D   1994
%G   1-56592-992-6
%I   ORA Audio/O'Reilly & Associates, Inc.
%O   U$9.95 800-998-9938 707-829-0515 fax: 707-829-0104 nuts@ora.com
%P   70 min.
%S   Notable Speeches of the Information Age
%T   "USENIX Conference Keynote Address: San Francisco, CA, January 17, 
1994"
 
John Perry Barlow, lyricist for the Grateful Dead, co-founder of the
Electronic Frontier Foundation (and self-described "retired Wyoming
cattle rancher") was the keynote speaker for the Usenix conference in
San Francisco, January 17, 1994.  This tape includes both his talk and
the question period.  (It is also available on Internet Talk Radio for
those willing to consume that much bandwidth, and possibly spend
longer downloading the file than the playing time of the speech.)
 
Barlow primarily discusses the cultural conflict between the
traditional Internet and the new commercial interests generally
identified with the "information superhighway".  There is discussion
of government, cryptography, censorship, and the evolution of the aims
and work of the EFF.  One point reiterated throughout is the need for
those deeply involved in the technology to study and become involved
in the political forces which drive the use (and abuse) of advanced
communications.
 
A minor theme is the call for "rich media".  Barlow laments the fact
that human beings assimilate text at a very low rate (generally below
1200 bps), but take in experience far faster.  Rich media (or
multimedia) are therefore much more efficient for human communications
purposes.  Barlow ignores two, very vital, factors here.  The first is
that the bandwidth requirements for non-text messages are currently
very expensive, and promote a dependence on an elite level of
technology.  (This is interesting in view of the link with Internet
Talk Radio).  The second consideration is that, despite almost a
century of involvement with multimedia, people seem to be only
marginally capable of generating communications in non-text forms.
Automation isn't likely to effect that.

 
copyright Robert M. Slade, 1995   CSBARLOW.RVW   950110. Distribution
permitted in TELECOM Digest and associated publications. Rob Slade's
book reviews are a regular feature in the Digest.
 

Vancouver        roberts@decus.ca             
Institute for    Robert_Slade@sfu.ca          
Research into    slade@freenet.victoria.bc.ca 
User             rslade@CyberStore.ca         
Security         Canada V7K 2G6               

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Date: Sun, 5 Mar 95 7:12:21 EST
From: Gregory Hicks - Santa Clara Ca <ghicks@ARL.MIL>
Subject: Help Wanted With ISDN Service


Pat:

I've been following -- off and on -- the discussion on ISDN for
awhile, and, since I've been receiving quite a few complaints from my
family (father) about the phone being busy (because of my online
time), I thought I'd investigate ISDN Residential Service with PacBell.

While the lady that I placed my order for a phone to the apartment
with was quite helpful, she just didn't know much about ISDN.  When
the office she referred my call to called back, they grudgingly answered 
my questions, but didn't volunteer any info.  (Most unhelpful.)

My questions to you (or the readership) are:

What equipment is required at the customer's site?  Any recommended 
sources?
Or, for that matter, *any* sources? (PacBell didn't want to provide info
on this other than "We do have some 'associated' vendors")

What are benefits to me?  I want to have high speed access (I'm going
to get *almost* full time access to the net after I get a house).  I'd
like to be able to get incoming/outgoing calls when online (I know! I
know! get a second line!)

Other than cost (metered 8am-5pm M-F) and expense of equipment, what
are potential drawbacks?

Any info will be appreciated.


Regards,

Gregory Hicks

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From: tkoppel@carl.org (Ted Koppel)
Subject: Pizza Hut in Atlanta
Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 09:17:17 MST
Organization: CARL Corporation (Atlanta) / The UnCover Company 
Reply-To: tkoppel@solaris.carl.org


Curiously, the Pizza Huts in Atlanta are moving in a direction
opposite to that in Toronto.  Last fall, there was one number
(662-5555) that was for the entire metro area, and they did the
routing of the pizza order themselves.



Now, a call to 662-5555 gets you to a person who asks your home phone
number (don't they have caller ID?), and asks you to dial the Pizza
Hut in your area (and supplies you that number).

I haven't been buying nearly as much Pizza Hut pizza since they changed
their system here.


Ted Koppel * The UnCover Company * The CARL Corporation * 
tkoppel@carl.org
                  Work: 404 242 8733 Fax: 404 242 8511

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From: hudel@waterloo.hp.com (Christopher Hudel)
Subject: Re: Pizza Hunt Consolidated Phone Number - All Locations
Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:48:09 GMT
Organization: Hewlett Packard (Panacom Division)


Eric Canale wrote:

> Dave Sellers (sellers@on.bell.ca) wrote:
>> "No other food service company in Canada offers this level of
>> convenience for its customers," says Corbett. "Our goal now is to 
make
>> 310-1010 available across the country so no matter what city our
>> customers are in, they dial the same number for a Pizza Hut pizza."

> It's been a while since I lived in Canada, but Toronto based Pizza 
Pizza 
> has had the single (416) 967-1111 delivery number for all its 
locations 
> since the early 80s.  I really don't see how Pizza Hut's system is any 
> different, other than the fact it's 10 years late.  

The difference is that 967-1111 went to only *one* phone number (or
hunt group) and Pizza Pizza dispatched the nearest franchise to take
the order.  With Pizza Hut, the 310-1010 number routes to the nearest
franchise for *them* to take the order.  Which probably saves Pizza
Hut Inc. some money and puts more onus back on the franchises.  Not to
mention that Pizza Hut -- like most franchise operations -- will
likely transfer 2x the 310* cost to its franchisees.  (Unless they are
all store owned in which case, we see another example of the
distributed client-server model biting the dust!)


Christopher Hudel   --   hudel@waterloo.hp.com  --
(519) 883-3013   Technial Support/Marketing               

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From: 4sam3@qlink.queensu.ca (Scott Montague)
Subject: Re: Pizza Hunt Consolidated Phone Number - All Locations
Date: Sat, 04 Mar 95 19:24:50 GMT
Organization: Queen's University at Kingston


>> "No other food service company in Canada offers this level of
>> convenience for its customers," says Corbett. "Our goal now is to 
make
>> 310-1010 available across the country so no matter what city our
>> customers are in, they dial the same number for a Pizza Hut pizza."

> It's been a while since I lived in Canada, but Toronto based Pizza 
Pizza
> has had the single (416) 967-1111 delivery number for all its 
locations
> since the early 80s.  I really don't see how Pizza Hut's system is any
> different, other than the fact it's 10 years late.

It's been a long time since you lived up here, I see!  About five
years after Pizza Pizza instituted their well known 967-1111 number
they stopped using it as their "main" number.  Why?  Because their
operations had spread beyond Toronto, into many small towns outside of
the local calling area.  They first tried to solve this problem by
telling people to call long-distance, and they would reimburse them
$0.50 for their phone call.  This did not go over well (people just
don't like the idea of long distance) so they tried an 800 number
(short-lived).  So, since then, they have just tried to set up vanity
phone numbers in the smaller community that end in 1111 (eg. 542-1111
in Kingston, 697-1111 in Bowmanville, etc.)  Their 967-1111 number was
just a plain old Toronto number.

Pizza Hut's new "PrimeLine" number is a lot different from Pizza Pizza 
...

a) The 310 exchange is a local seven digit call from ALL places in 
Ontario
   (with the exception of some FAR FAR North exchanges), and soon all
   places in Canada (hopefully);

b) When you dial 310-1010, it will connect you to your LOCAL Pizza Hut,
   not a big dispatch which would resend your order to your local store 
(such
   as Pizza Pizza's old 967-1111 service used to do), and

c) Depending on such things as your postal code, your exchange, and the
   time of day, it will forward to the appropriate Pizza Hut.  This is 
so 
   that if I want to order a pizza at 2am, and my local Pizza Hut is 
closed, 
   it will connect me to the next nearest open one. (This would only 
have 
   to be programmed once, not forwarded nightly).

BTW, The jingle <967-11-11 phone Pizza Pizza, yeah-yeah-yeah> was so
well-known in Toronto (and still is) that there were some stories
about customs officials who would ask people who claimed to be from
Toronto and forgot to bring sufficent ID to prove that they were, what
the number for Pizza Pizza is.  If they knew the phone number, they
could get across.

Now a part of Pizza Pizza's jingle is <We're more than a pretty
number, we're what you like best>.  Almost makes a case for the
ownership of a phone number, eh?


Scott

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From: rwilkins@ccnet.com (Bob Wilkins  n6fri)
Subject: Re: And the Grammy For Poor Planning Goes to ...
Date: 4 Mar 1995 11:16:10 -0800
Organization: home in the cAVe


Scott D Fybush (fybush@world.std.com) recently wrote in 
<telecom15.129.4@
eecs.nwu.edu>:

> Seems to me if I were advertising something, especially if I were the
> (well, "a") phone company, I'd try harder to have enough lines
> available to handle expected caller demand ...

I doubt if any carrier would be able to have a quarter million line
touch tone interactive demonstration. Well maybe even a thousand
lines.

They gave a recording to call back in five minutes, sure beats the
re-order you normally get from the rest of the pack.


Bob Wilkins            work    bwilkins@cave.org
Berkeley, California   home    rwilkins@ccnet.com
94701-0710             play    n6fri@n6eeg.#nocal.ca.usa.noam
                      
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