TELECOM Digest     Tue, 31 Jan 95 22:11:00 CST    Volume 15 : Issue 70

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    NYNEX Offers Unlimited Weekends (Stan Schwartz)
    Cellphone Car Antennas - Passive Repeaters Any Good? (Charles 
Beatty)
    SONET Telephony Engineer Needed ASAP (imi@bilbo.pic.net)
    Billing Data Formats LD Carriers <-> RBOCs (Antony Upward)
    Help Wanted With Nokia 6050 GSM Car Phone (Jurgen Morhofer)
    For Sale: Motorola Codex 6525 (Benoit Maneckjee)
    AT&T 500 Number Problems (Matthew Spaethe)
    AudioText Applications (Richard Cayne)
    Another Look at the 'Old Days' (Dale Neiburg)
    Test Line Directory (Steve Coleman)
    Re: Cellular in Israel (Steve Samler)
    What to Look For in Choosing an LD Carrier? (Steve Chinatti)
    Strange Stuff (Stan Schwartz)
    Looking For High-Speed Wireless Tech (Roger Bergstrom)
    Looking For Chip Modem V22 (perretc@eiga.unige.ch)
    Using a Laptop Modem With ATT Public Phones (Thomas Hinders)
    Planning to Start a Pager Network (Thu Ra Tin)
    Pac-Tel New Standard Plus Phones (Dan Srebnick)
    Re: Radio Station Transmission Lines (Alan Sterger)
    Re: Bell Atlantic ISDN, Part II (Dan Brown)
    Last Laugh! Career Opportunities With the RBOCs (David McCord)

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 17:37:51 EST
From: Stan Schwartz <stanschwartz-aviswizcom@e-mail.com>
Subject: NYNEX Offers Unlimited Weekends


As per the ad in today's {Long Island Newsday}, this is NYNEX
Cellular's current New York area promotion:

   One Year Contract:    $29.99/month
                          30 minutes included (peak or off-peak)

                         .69 peak/.45 off-peak beyond 30 minutes

          HERE'S THE KICKER:

                         Free weekend calls through July. (home 
region)

Not only is NYNEX the first in the NY Metro area to offer the 
unlimited 
weekend plans that the rest of the country offers, but their rates are
lower than Cell One and their off-peak band begins at 8pm, rather than
9pm.

Once again, I am forced to re-think my cellular choice!


Stan

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From: beatty@access3.digex.net (Charles Beatty)
Subject: Cellphone Car Antennas - Passive Repeaters Any Good?
Date: 31 Jan 1995 23:03:55 GMT
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA


I am considering buying one of those passive repeater antennas for my
car to get my portable cellphone signal out of the vehicle. You know
the type, a piece inside the glass with a small horizontal antenna, no
wires, about $60 from Hello Direct.

Are these things any good. I use the phone in urban, suburban, and
rural areas. Any comments?

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From: imi@bilbo.pic.net (imi)
Subject: SONET Telephony Engineer Needed ASAP
Date: 31 Jan 1995 03:28:29 GMT
Organization: imi


Major project in Dallas, TX needs High Level SONET Engineer to
conduct JAD sessions, Analysis and Design to assist Major LDS company.
Phase I starting in Feb. - please contact us ASAP.

IMI Systems, Inc.
800-828-0180

Press #3 for Dallas Office
Press #113 for info pertaining to opportunities ...

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 17:36:34 -0500
From: upward@hookup.net (Antony Upward)
Subject: Billing Data Formats LD Carriers <-> RBOCs
Organization: KPMG Management Consulting


I am looking to understand how LD carriers pass billing data to RBOCs
for inclusion on subscribers local statements.

I believe there is a standard data interchange protocol between LD
carriers and RBOCs for this data.

Can anyone supply details of this protocol.


Many thanks,

Antony Upward = Voice: +1 416 691 1560 = Internet: upward@hookup.net
Fax: +1 416 691 3694 = 24 Devon Road, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4E 2J8
KPMG Management Consulting, Business Systems and Technology
Suite 3300, Commerce Court West, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, M5L 1B2
Voice: +1 416 777 8791 = X.400: 
/C=CA/S=UPWARD/G=ANTONY/P=KPMG/A=MARK400

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Reply-To: morhofer@heavyfun.com
Date: Tue, Jan 31 1995 12:50:36 GMT
From: Jurgen.Morhofer.morhofer@heavyfun.com
Subject: Help Wanted With Nokia 6050 GSM Car Phone


Recently I bought a Nokia 6050 GSM car phone with built-in
hands-free-kit and I experienced some trouble with my antenna. Before
switching to GSM I had a NEC P3 (ETACS version; the same system that
is used in UK and Austria too) with a Hands-Free-Kit and external
antenna. During installation of the new Nokia phone I connected the
existing antenna, that always had worked fine with my NEC P3, to it.

When making phone calls everything works fine if I use the handset but
in case of using the hands-free option the called or calling party on
the other side hears some very loud interference-like sounds mixed
together with my voice. First I thought that the hands-free section of
my phone would be defect but then by case I tried to turn off my
antenna leaving the antenna cable connected to my phone and surprise,
surprise, everything was perfect. I called Nokia Customer service but
their representitive did not understand very much about GSM phones as
they are still not very popular here in Italy.  For now I attached a
small FM-antenna to cover the ugly knob that comes out of my trunk,
but I'm afraid to burn my amplifier (8W) without a proper antenna.

Who has any idea of what happened and what I should do?  Please e-mail
to morhofer@heavyfun.com.


Thanks in advance,

Jurgen

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From: bmaneckj@random.ucs.mun.ca (Benoit Maneckjee)
Subject: For Sale: Motorola Codex 6525
Date: 31 Jan 1995 17:33:16 GMT
Organization: NLnet


Spare Unit, Never Used.  Originally purchased from Motorola Canada in 
1992.

SPECIFICATIONS:

Modulus 18 Slot Enclosure with 1 Power Supply
6525 CPU Card (Switch) with 2 80K WAN Ports, 4 high speed ports
Network Port Card w/ 6 high speed ports
PAD port card with 6 19.2K ports
V 2.10 SW dor 6525
6500 SN?SDLC Firmware (applies to all high speed ports)
Complete with all documentation & original invoices
Frame relay ready with firmware upgrade

Willing to part with entire unit or spare parts.  Am willing to trade
for a router or Unix Workstation.

Originally paid CDN $17,000 wholesale from Motorola; will part with it
for much less - need cash.

Please EMAIL serious enquires only to:

bmaneckj@random.ucs.mun.ca


Benoit Maneckjee    President, SiNET Corporation

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From: mspaethe@umr.edu (Matthew Spaethe)
Subject: AT&T 500 Number Problems
Date: 31 Jan 1995 23:50:10 GMT
Organization: UMR


My 500 number isn't scheduled to be ready until Feb 3, but I've been
trying it pretty much everyday.  Well, AT&T completed the call today
(the local switch has been accepting 1-500-367-XXXX for sometime) and
the only billing option was calling card.  Well, I tried that, and
someone other than me answered the phone.  I have no idea who it was,
but I guess I'll have the number when I receive my calling card bill!


Matt :)


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, you have gotten a lot further 
with
it than I have here. My 500 number was supposed to be turned on 
yesterday,
January 30. Still no go as of Tuesday evening, January 31. The AT&T 
rep
suggested calling the Illinois Commerce Commission and asking them to
ask Ameritech to unblock 500. A call to the ICC got me the response 
that
'so far as they knew' (the ICC), there was nothing yet tariffed for 
500
here. AT&T said try using it via 800-225-5288 (CALL-ATT), but guess 
what?
That didn't work either. Since my long distance service is defaulted 
to
AT&T I tried double zero, and ask the operator to get it for me. After
asking someone what to do, she tried dialing it and it went nowhere. 
She
said it was 'blocked' in her computer and would not 'leave'. 

I am sure the AT&T billing department is more effecient and that I 
will
be billed for this month anyway, just as I was for last month. :(   
PAT]

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From: r_cayne@pavo.concordia.ca (Richard Cayne)
Subject: AudioText Applications
Date: 31 Jan 1995 09:23 -0500
Organization: Concordia University


Please send details on audiotext applications currently in use by
retailers to better serve their clients. Am interested in contacting
these organizations to explore how effective are their systems.


Regards,

Richard 
email address: r_cayne@pavo.concordia.ca
Tel: (514) 488 7110     Fax: (514) 488 1629

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:12:34 EST
From: DNEIBURG@npr.org
Subject: Another Look at the 'Old Days'


In TELECOM Digest, v15/58, the Moderator wrote:

> When I was in high school, 1956-60, the school gave us the 'option'
> of using ball-point pens instead of fountain pens, although the 
latter
> were preferred. 

In my high school days (1959-63), ball-point pens were also allowed,
fountain pens preferred.  Curiously, during my later university years
I first encountered some classes where fountain pens were required for
exams.

> large city where television stations could be received. A few people
> had television sets as early as 1946-47. Our family got one in 1949;
> it had a two or three inch screen that was totally round with a very
> large magnifying glass attachment which hooked on the front of it. 
It

Our first set was a '46 model, as I recall.  It was an RCA with a
screen about eight inches diagonal, in a cabinet about three feet
long, a foot and a half deep, and about the same height.  If memory
serves, it weighed about 100 pounds -- but by the standard of the
time, RCA called it a "portable".

It was one of very few sets I've ever seen with channel 1 on the
tuner.  That channel space (44-50 MHz) was originally intended for
low-power stations to serve smaller towns, but was quickly taken away
for FM broadcasting, which was then moved to 88-108 MHz.

> Five digit numbers were common in communities which had automatic 
dialing
> systems in those days but only one exchange in the community. Since 
the
> exchange name was always the same, it was assumed when dialing. In 
your

When we moved to a new house in Washington, DC, in 1953, we still had
a six-digit number (actually 2 letters/4 digits: KEllogg 1528), but
very soon after it received an extra digit and became KE7-1528.

Ten years later, my parents retired and moved to a little town in the
western "corner" of South Carolina.  They had a modern seven-digit
number (646-nnnn, previously released as MIlton 6-nnnn: I have no idea
who "Milton" was), but since the entire town was on the same exchange,
only four digits needed to be dialed to reach anyone else in town.  I
don't believe seven-digit local dialing became mandatory until about 
1970.


Dale Neiburg, STC        National Public Radio  
Phone:  202-414-2640     635 Massachusetts Ave., N.W.
Washington, D.C.  20001  Internet: dneiburg@npr.org


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Channel 1 was gone from television sets 
by
around 1949-50 I guess. There is a national organization which 
provides
educational (but some say infomercial) television to school students 
on
closed circuit called 'Channel One'; you may have heard of them.  I 
have
a General Electric portable color television which still goes up all 
the
way to Channel 83; so you can guess how old it is. Most folks are 
unaware
there is a HUGE gap in the frequency spectrum for television between 
Channels 6 and 7. Where Channel 6 ends at about 88 megs, Channel 7 
does
not start until about 175 megs, way up in VHF. About thirty years ago
when FM radios were still sort of new (they had been around for twenty
years, but not for over fifty years like now) a religious station 
called
WYCA went on the air in Hammond, Indiana, around 88-90 megs someplace.
We have discussed *them* here in the past, a few years ago when thier
station was the cause of many complaints to the FCC. In those days, 
around
1962-63 they had the nerve to tell people, 'if you do not have an FM
receiver, you can still listen to the Word of God daily on this 
station
by putting your television set on Channel 6 then moving the fine 
tuning
dial until you hear our signal.'   How's that for brass?   <g> By the
way, 'Milton' was Milton Berle, one of the first people to appear on
your 1946 television set. <another g>   PAT]

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From: stevecoleman@delphi.com (Steve Coleman)
Subject: Test Line Directory
Date: 31 Jan 1995 20:39:21 GMT
Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation


Does anybody know of an FTP site where a list of test lines can
obtained?  I am looking specfically for 102 type test lines by
NPA-NXX.

I know that Pacbell and GTE in Southern California use NPA-NXX-0002 as
a standard for the 102 test.  In Northern California Pacbell uses
NPA-NXX-0020 for the most part.  USWest also uses the NPA-NXX-0020
format in most parts of Oregon and Washington.  If anybody knows a
standard format for other regions, I would also appreciate that
information if the test line directory is not available.


Thanks in advance,

Steve Coleman   stevecoleman@delphi.com

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 14:44:59 EST
From: Steve Samler <steve@individual.com>
Subject: Re: Cellular in Israel




Celcomm is in NYC; their fax is 212 752 1157.  The international
division of SWBell is in the UK.  I have a phone number 44 483 751 
756.

By the way, SWBell has most of their headquarters in San Antonio now.
Most everybody who was in St. Louis is now there.

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From: chinatti@SRTC.COM (Steve Chinatti)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 10:43:24 -0500
Subject: What to Look For in Choosing an LD Carrier?


Well, I've been following this and some of the other related
newsgroups for a while, and I've finally decided to try to pick a good
LD carrier to cut down on my LD bills.  I use about $60+/mo. in LD for
one residential line, so I don't expect any earth shattering savings,
but I figure that I shouldn't pay any more than I have to.  

I know from reading articles here that I can do much better than the
big three, and I realize that I'll have to do a little leg work for 
this.
The big problem is that I'm not sure exactly what I should be looking
for, specifically what questions to ask and what pitfalls I should
look out for. I've heard of LD resellers, six second increment 
billing;
are there any other important issues?  Should I be concerned with who
the resellers are reselling from?  Is there a good starting point for
finding LD carriers that don't advertise much (my Yellow Pages lists
only two companies in the Long Distance heading)?  

How about LD calls not carried by my LD carrier (i.e. in my area code,
covered by Bell Atlantic)?  Is there anything that I'm not asking that
I should be?  Also, I'll be adding a cellular phone soon, and is there
any way that I can get a better rate by virtue of having two accounts
with an LD carrier?  Thanks in advance for any information that anyone
can provide.


Steve Chinatti    <chinatti@srtc.com>


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I would refer your questions to that
genius Marilyn Von Savant -- the smartest person in the world with
an extremely high IQ whose column appears each week in {Parade 
Magazine} --
but the last time someone asked her the same question you are asking 
here,
namely which long distance company to pick, she admitted that even she
was unable to answer that one.  Put the names of several carriers in
a hat. Close your eyes, reach in and pick one. Live with it for a few
months, then try one of the others.   PAT]

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From: stans@panix.com (Stan Schwartz)
Subject: Strange Stuff
Date: 31 Jan 1995 14:58:31 -0500
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC


I was driving home last night and saw this sign on a bar:

 "Tonight:  Live music with 'Star 69'"

I wonder if any other CLASS service has its own band.


Stan

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From: roger.bergstrom@lkab.se
Subject: Looking For High-Speed Wireless Tech
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 16:02:29 PDT
Organization: Unisource Business Networks Sweden AB


LKAB, a northern Swedish mining company, is planning to use remotely
operated loaders in the production levels of the underground iron mine
in Kiruna. The loaders will be fully automated and operated and
monitored by operators above ground.

Each loader will be equipped with up to 4 CCD-cameras.

For the moment we are investigating the possibilities to transfer data
from and to the remote machines. Since the loaders are mobile we've
considered some kind of some broad-band wire-less technology
(spread-spectrum).  The data transfer is divided into three
categories, the transfer of digitalized video signals the transfer of
status information from the loader and the transfer of steering
information from the operator to the loader.  Anybody out there heard
of: 
 
  - the possibility for high-speed wireless transmission of data and
    video?  
  - any suppliers of such a system?  
  - any similar works or studies?  
  - conferenses?

Please mail any information to roger.bergstrom@lkab.se.

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From: perretc@eiga.unige.ch
Subject: Looking For Chip Modem V22
Organization: E.I.G
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 01:37:38 GMT


Hello,

I'm looking for a modem chip who can do V22 and his alimentation
(power) have to be 3.3 Volt.

Thanks if you can E-mail me the answer.


Perretc@eig.unige.ch    Perret Cedric. 

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Date: 31 Jan 1995 21:43:21 EDT
Reply-To: THINDER@SOFTSW.SSW.COM
From: Hinders, Thomas <THINDER@SOFTSW.SSW.COM>
Subject: Using a Laptop Modem With ATT Public Phones


The instruction for using the Data Port on the ATT Public phones are
confusing (dialing the line waiting for the modem to answer).

Why can't you dial-through?

Thanks in advance ... reply directly and I'll summarize and re-post.


Tom Hinders  thinder@ssw.com  Lotus Dev

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From: thura@crl.com (Thu Ra Tin)
Subject: Planning to Start a Pager Network
Date: 31 Jan 1995 18:45:45 -0800
Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access  (415) 705-6060  [Login: 
guest]


I have been contacted by a brother-in-law of the Deputy Trade Minister
from a southeast Asian country about setting up a pager network in the
country.  The country has been closed for the last 30 years, and about
four years ago, they opened up as a market oriented economy.  
Currently,
there are no pager services there.  I need to find a company that can
set up the whole turnkey pager systems for a country.  If anybody on
here is interested, please contact me as soon as possible.  My E-Mail
address is <thura@crl.com> or my phone number is (415) 552-4653.


Sincerely,

Thu Ra

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From: dan.srebnick@islenet.com
Organization: Isle-Net (908) 495-6996
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 13:53:18 -0500
Subject: Pac-Tel New Standard Plus Phones


I'm the owner of a couple of Pacific Telesis (Pac Tel) "New Standard
Plus 2-Line" phones.  They appear to have been manufactured in Hong
Kong by TeleQuest in 1984.  I require a replacement receiver for one
unit.  I cannot seem to locate anyone in either firm who can refer me
to a parts department.  The service center phone number in the manual
was changed long ago.  Does anyone here know how I may obtain a
replacement receiver for this unit?

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From: sterger@PrimeNet.Com (Alan Sterger)
Subject: Re: Radio Station Transmission Lines
Date: 31 Jan 1995 05:43:30 GMT
Organization: Primenet


In article <telecom15.62.20@eecs.nwu.edu>, Daniel Ritsma 
<ritsma@yu1.yu.
edu> says:

> I am working for a small radio station that is now using two 8kHz
> lines to feed four tansmitters (AM).  On one line we feed three
> transmitters since they are for buildings next to each other; the 
other
> line is for a building some 150 blocks from here.

Are STLs out of the question?


Regards,

Alan Sterger     sterger@primenet.com    75210.1022@compuserve.com    

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From: brown@eff.org (Dan Brown)
Subject: Re: Bell Atlantic ISDN, Part II
Date: 31 Jan 1995 17:02:43 -0500
Organization: Subversive Student Publications un-inc.


In an earlier posting Hersh Jeff <hershj@bah.com> writes:

> In TELECOM Digest V15 #63 I wrote:

>> My office (located in Eatontown, NJ, area code 908) recently had 
two ISDN
>> lines installed for experimental purposes.  We receive our ISDN 
from a
>> #5ESS.  It was obvious, despite what is written about Bell Atlantic 
in
>> "Reengineering the Corporation," that it is very inexperienced and
>> unorganized in providing ISDN service.  All we asked for was two 
ISDN
>> BRI lines with NT-1s.  It took about two months before we were able 
to
>> get the lines installed, and we have already had to replace the NT-
1s
>> once.  Anyone else have experience with Bell Atlantic ISDN?

EFF has actually had decent luck with ISDN service from Bell Atlantic,
though, it hasn't been particularly high volume. We've had a line for
occasional use with our Picture-tel system.

We are in Downtown DC.  When the line was originally installed, we had
it installed and usable in about the same ammount of time as we would
have had a normal telephone line. No complaints.

We did have some trouble (seems like one of the B channels was down) 
but were able to get service for it on a Saturday afternoon. 

We recently moved, and, again, the install went off as planned, no
troubles. We're not probably more than a few blocks from a CO ... so
YMMV accordingly.

I do have a few gripes on other services from Bell Atlantic, such as
our RCF which has been up and down (currently down, supposed to be up
tomorrow AM) a couple times ... first time maybe because of paperwork
shuffle, this time because they are moving over to a "new and enhanced
digital switching center" at the downtown CO where our old lines
(202-347-xxxx) go/went into.


Later,

Dan
(Dan Brown brown@eff.org)

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Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 11:27:13 -0800
From: david_mccord@ins.com (David McCord)
Subject: Last Laugh! Career Opportunities With the RBOCs?


Passed along FYI (For Your Insomnia?) .....

  From: "Mark D. Baushke" <mdb@cisco.com>
  From: fred@cisco.com (Fred Baker)
  Subject: Human Intrusion

  found on com-priv...

At a symposium at MIT earlier this year, a representative of the
Communications Workers of America (CWA) began a presentation bemoaning
the loss of union craft jobs among telcos by drawing on the chalkboard
a sketch representing the telco C.O. of the future:

       +--------------------------------------------------+
       |         ***                                      |
       |        (o o)                      +-----------+  |
       |          ~                        |  ( ) ( )  |  |
       |        /-+-\                      |           |  |
       |       /  |  \                     |           |  |
       |      o   |   o    @@\         /   |    (  )   |  |
       |         / \       ++ \=======/    |           |  |
       |        /   \         /\     /\    |           |  |
       |       /     \       /  \   /  \   |           |  |
       |      ==     ==     =    = =    =  +-----------+  |
       +--------------------------------------------------+

In this picture, there is a single man, a dog and a computer.  The
man's job is to feed the dog and the dog's job is to bite the man if
he touches the computer.


david_mccord@ins.com     Network Wizardry   International Network 
Services
+ 1 415 254 4229 voice      on demand       Mountain View, California, 
USA
+ 1 415 967 3247 fax                                   Thank you 
Sensei!!!

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