TELECOM Digest     Thu, 12 Jan 95 07:20:00 CST    Volume 15 : Issue 26

Inside This Issue:                          Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    About the GIF Incident and Substitutes (Paul Robinson)
    GIF Unisys Response (Stephen Goodman)
    Changes in Hong Kong Dial Plan (Paul A. Lee)
    Problems Calling Zaire (Jonathan V. Bland)
    Is Two Second Delay Still Necessary? (James Baker)
    Northern TeleCom Norstar Key System (Daniel Aharonoff)
    Voice Response Unit Question (Jim McCormack)
    Network Access Wanted in Kenosha, WI - 414 (Erick Bergquist)
    Sonet SDH DCC Information Wanted (Tom Engbersen)
    Digital Exchange Location Problem (Roni Levkovitz)
    Bellcore Standards Question (Craig Harris)
    10-XXX Codes (Eric Paulak)
    "Jitter" as a Quantity (Joe Habermann)
    Wanted: NEC SMDR Software (Daniel Land)
    FCC BBS Invites Calls (Shaun Maher)
    Seeking Canadian Telco WWW Addresses (Helen Vanderheide)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Peter Campbell Smith)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Phil Ritter)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Mitch Greer)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Marko Ruokonen)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Robert Hall)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Judith Oppenheimer)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Clive Feather)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Colum Mylod)
    Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas (Julian Thornhill)

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:21:03 EST 
Subject: About the GIF Incident and Substitutes
Organization: Tansin A. Darcos & Company, Silver Spring, MD USA
From: Paul Robinson <paul@tdr.com>


With the recent problems over the use of Unisys patented LZW
compression in GIF files, there has been suggested people switch to
JPEG format.  Then someone else pointed out that IBM has a patent on
the compression format that uses.

Aparently both are the same algorithm.  David Winfrey 
<dwinfrey@cpcug.org> 
points out that the information on this is in 
rtfm.mit.edu:/pub/usenet/
news.answers/compression-faq/part[1-3].

(Rtfm was busy so I used the site "pit-manager" which is the old name
for BLOOM-PICAYUNE.MIT.EDU.  (Did you know any time you put any
message on a big-7 Usenet group that has the phrase 'pit-manager' in
it, RTFM sends you a nastygram telling you the name is now 'rtfm'?
Even if you were to write, "I was a pit-manager in a casino," in a
message.)

Under current patent laws, if both patents do cover the same 
invention, 
if someone can figure out which one was invented later, the patent on
that one can be overturned.  Also, it may be possible to play one off
against the other, e.g. if they want to fight over this, the other one
can be used to argue the invalidity of theirs.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 12:04 EST
From: Stephen Goodman <0003945654@mcimail.com>
Subject: GIF Unisys Response


FYI -- this came in my e-mail today.  Thought I would pass it along.


Excerpt from ... EDUPAGE.

Edupage, a summary of news items on information technology, is 
provided
three times each week as a service by Educom -- a Washington, D.C.-
based
consortium of leading colleges and universities seeking to transform
education through the use of information technology. 

UNISYS RELENTS ON PATENT INFRINGEMENT

Unisys has backed down on its intention to extract license fees from
software companies that use its patented approach to displaying
graphics online. The Graphics Interchange Format, or GIF, is so
popular, many software companies apparently thought the algorithm was
in the public domain. Unisys now says it will seek fees only for newly
created products that come out in 1995 or thereafter, and only from
major for-profit software developers. (Chronicle of Higher Education
1/13/95 A20)

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:28:34 -0500
From: Paul A. Lee </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com>
Organization: Woolworth Corporation
Subject: Changes in Hong Kong Dial Plan


I've been getting inquiries from some of our international divisions
about a change that's supposed to be coming soon in Hong Kong's dial
plan and/or number plan -- something about adding a '2' at the 
beginning 
of the number.
 
Can anyone provide me with details about the change? Does it affect
only calls within Hong Kong, or will the dial string used to reach
Hong Kong from other "countries" change, too?
 
 
Paul A. Lee                           Voice  414 357-1409
Telecommunications Analyst              FAX  414 357-1450
Woolworth Corporation            CompuServe  70353,566
INTERNET  </DD.ID=JES2CAOF.UEDCM09/@SMX.sprint.com>  <=PREFERRED 
ADDRESS*

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From: OPS@ins.infonet.net
Subject: Problems Calling Zaire
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 16:41:08 +1000
Organization: Viatel


We are having trouble calling certain numbers in Zaire through 
Mercury.
They will only recognize numbers going to city codes 12 and 222 (i.e.
24312 ... and 243222 ...). An example of the numbers we are dialing
starts with 243884.

We know that these numbers are valid as we can reach them when dialing
through MCI.

Mercury has said that they have the French Telco carry this traffic
and that neither of them block any numbers going to Zaire. The
progression of the responses that we have received from Mercury is
that these numbers are invalid (untrue) and that these destination
number can't exist (also untrue). I have proven these numbers to be
valid with Mercury by conferencing them in on calls to the one of the
destination numbers over MCI. After this was done, the technicians
working on the fault said that the only way they could continue to
work on this was by having the name and address of the destination
number. We are unable to provide this information. I have spoken to a
supervisor at Mercury who feels that this is an unreasonable request.

We have been trying to resolve this problem since Dec 16th. Any input
regarding this will be greatly appreciated. Feel free to respond to us
directly or via the newsgroup.


Jonathan V. Bland   Viatel Operations

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From: jbaker@halcyon.com (James Baker)
Subject: Is Two Second Delay Still Necessary?
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:59:03 -0800
Organization: Northwest Nexus Inc.


Is there still a technical reason for the two second delay at the
beginning of a phone call?

I understand that some old analog switches could be fooled into
billing the call incorrectly or not at all if certain tones were
present within the first two seconds of ringing. Thus the FCC
requirements for auto answer stuff is to wait two seconds after
ringing before answering the phone (or at leaset before sending any
signals into the phone wires).

I doubt any such switches are still in use so perhaps it is time to
petition the FCC to remove this requirement from Part 68.

BTW ... here is a rough calculation based on figures out of my head of 
the
national cost of this old regulation still being on the books. Suppose 
250
million people make an average of five calls a day to answering 
machines,
auto-attendants etc. If you value the average person's time at $10 / 
hour
the annual cost is about $7 million. I suspect the real figure is 
higher.


James Baker    Seattle, WA   jbaker@halcyon.com

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From: ilink@netcom.com (Daniel Aharonoff)
Subject: Northern TeleCom Norstar Key System
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 
guest)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 23:19:11 GMT


Would like to get some feedback on reliability, expandability, 
stability 
on a Norstar switch by Northern Telecom. We are also looking to get a
voice-mail that would compliment that system.

This is for a small company of about 30 employees with a high degree
of voice-mail usage and support calls.

Any suggestions or feedback is very much appreciated.


Thanks,

Daniel Aharonoff
Please post to newsgroup and my personal account @ ilink@netcom.com
E-Mail: ilink@netcom.com 
Home Page: ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/il/ilink/infolink.html
infoLink Communications 

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From: as965@yfn.ysu.edu (Jim McCormack)
Subject: Voice Response Unit Question
Date: 11 Jan 1995 13:27:06 GMT
Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH
Reply-To: as965@yfn.ysu.edu (Jim McCormack)


I presently operate a voice/fax response unit using a 486 pc with
analog phone lines directly connected to a Rhetorex voice board.

The software and hardware I have is capable of being used with a PBX
to do call transfers.  I don't have a PBX but I was wondering if I
could purchase a desktop phone which could be configured so that if a
caller asks for my extension the voice response unit would transfer
the call to the phone just like a PBX.

Anybody have any ideas?

Thanks in advance for your help.


Jim McCormack

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 00:30:50 CST
From: Erick_Bergquist@edtng.Kenosha.WI.US (Erick Bergquist)
Subject: Network Access Wanted in Kenosha, WI - 414


Hello,

  I am looking for a way to get network access in Kenosha, WI, even if
it means getting my own direct 57.6k, T1 connection.

  There are no local net providers (besides the university and a BBS
that offers email). I am looking into starting my own service, but
lack the funds, and can't find enough people that are willing to do it
right, and keep it going.

If anyone knows of any service/provider that has local access, please
let me know, or how much a T1, 57.6, would cost directly.

I called many services/providers, and none offers decent local access,
at high speed rates. Netcom is moving into the Madison/Milwaukee area,
and I don't know if they will cover Kenosha locally.

Kenosha is on the border of WI, and IL, on Lake Michigan. Right
inbetween Chicago and Milwaukee. It seems to me that this area is
being left out, as there are plenty of ways I can get access if I were
located south or north of here.
 
If you know of anything, contact me. Network access is kind of
important to me, and I am seeking a stable connection. If you are in
this area, and are also looking for access, then contact me, and maybe
we can work on this problem together.

Thanks for the Help!!!


Erick Bergquist (Erick_Bergquist@EDTNG.Kenosha.WI.US)
Computer Programmer/Analyst, Microcomputer Specialist, and such.

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From: news@zurich.ibm.com
Subject: Sonet SDH DCC Information Wanted
Date: 11 Jan 1995 08:38:28 GMT
Organization: IBM Research Zurich
Reply-To: news@zurich.ibm.com


In Sonet/SDH multiplexer and section overhead, there are the D1..D12
bytes, reserved for "network management and supervision". Can anyone
shed some light on the data transmission protocol which governs these
DCC channels?  Is this (already?) standardized? If so which standard?


Kind regards,

Ton Engbersen

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From: ielavkow@techunix.technion.ac.il (Levkovitz Roni)
Subject: Digital Exchange Location Problem
Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 14:29:44 GMT


I am working on a project of finding the optimal location of digital
exchanges that are connected by optical links.  The problem is to
minimize the cost of connecting new lines and maintaining the existing
once. I have tried , in vain, to find references to other works on
similar problems.  It will be of great help if anybody can tell me
where to look for such references.


Thanks in advance,

Ron Levkovitz    ielavkow@tx.technion.ac.il

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From: charris@coypu.cig.mot.com (Craig Harris)
Subject: Bellcore Standards Question
Date: 11 Jan 1995 16:19:36 GMT
Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group
Reply-To: charris@blue.cig.mot.com


I am looking for any Bellcore specification on an idle T-1 channel.
That is, if the channel is idle, would the T1 equipment send 01111111
or 10000000?


Craig Harris                 email:  charris@cig.mot.com
Motorola Inc.  Suite 1450    pager:  +1-800-759-7243 pin 87119
777 108th Ave. NE            office: +1-206-637-8054
Belluevue, WA 98004          mobile: +1-206-930-1029

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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 00:05:55 -0500
From: ericp@ucg.com (Eric Paulak)
Subject: 10-XXX Codes


FYI

If you're a hospital, university or hotel that is classified as an
aggregator/reseller, and you just upgraged your PBX to deal with the
new North American Numbering Plan, you may have just set yourself up
for a legal nightmare. Here's why:

According to a law that was passed in 1990, all aggregators must
unblock their switches so that a caller can reach their long distance
carrier of choice. What this required so that you wouldn't get stuck
paying for the cost of the calls was that your switch had to pass


through and differentiate calls that started with either 10-XXX-1 or
calls that started with 10-XXX-0.

If you could do this at the time the law was passed, you had to do it
right then. If you could upgrade your switch for less than 
$15/station, 
you had to do this by Jan. 10, 1994. If it cost you more than 
$15/station, 
you have until April 17, 1997. And, if you upgraded your switch 
anytime 
prior to April 17, 1997, you had to offer access at that time.

So, if you just went through an upgrade to be able to accomodate the 
new
interchangeable area codes and the new expanded carrier identification 
codes
(101-XXXX), you are now capable of allowing access to any long 
distance
carrier, and you must do so or be subject to FCC fines.

Another bit of information dealing with 10-XXX codes. The number of
available carrier information codes with the 10-XXX format is down to
around 20. At the present rate that format should expire sometime in
February. At that time, the new format will be 101-XXXX.


Eric Paulak
The Center for Communications Management Information
(301) 816-8950, ext. 327
11300 Rockville Pike, Suite 1100, Rockville, MD 20852

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From: haberman@i11.msi.umn.edu (Joe Habermann)
Subject: "Jitter" as a Quantity
Organization: University of Minnesota, Twin Cities
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 17:13:16 GMT


I need a solid reference for "delay jitter" as quantity w.r.t.  frames
arrivals.  Much of the material that I've read defines jitter as the
variation interarrival times, but what I really want is a quantitative
definition that's effectively "the jitter for two event arrivals is
difference between the expected and observed interarrival times."

I found an example of the use of "jitter" as a quantity recently in a
paper that I was reading: ".. The conference origination application
delivers frames to the network adapter at an aggregrate rate of 1
frame every 33 seconds (with a measured jitter of +- 2 ms)."

But the paper does not define jitter.  It's obvious what is 
meant, but I really need a solid definition from a solid source.


Thanks,

Joe Habermann / haberman@msi.umn.edu

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From: dland@cks.ssd.k12.wa.us (Daniel Land)
Subject: Wanted  NEC SMDR Software
Date: 11 Jan 1995 10:39:04 -0800


Wanted: PC Software for capturing SMDR output from a NEC NEAX2400 IMS
PBX rs232 port --

Software Needed  -  Free or Low Cost

Does anyone have some PC (maybe even Windows) based software to
capture the SMDR output from this model of NEC PBX.

Please respond by e-mail if possible.


Thank you,


Daniel H. Land*              Seattle Public Schools
voice (206) 298-7599                mailstop AF-334
fax (206) 298-7505         4141 Fourth Avenue South
net dland@cks.ssd.k12.wa.us  Seattle, WA 98134-2309

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From: fcclaw@cais.cais.com (Smithwick-Belendiuk)
Subject: FCC BBS Invites Calls
Date: 11 Jan 1995 20:52:32 GMT
Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470


Smithwick & Belendiuk, P.C., a Washington area communications law
firm, offers a free Bulletin Board System - "FCC WORLD."  FCC WORLD
maintains FCC libraries of files, updated daily, Forums on FCC issues
and Classifieds Ads for the communications industries.  The service is
free and has no time limit with two lines in service.  Try FCC WORLD
at 202-887-5718 today!


Shaun Maher   Sysop - FCC WORLD    fcclaw@cais.com  

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From: hvanderh@edtel.alta.net (Helen Vanderheide)
Subject: Seeking Canadian Telco WWW Addresses
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:22:37 MST
Organization: ED TEL


Does anyone know where I can get WWW addresses of companies like:

- Bell Canada
- BCE 
- Northern Telecom
- Mobility Canada
- CANTEL 

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help.


Helen Vanderheide
ED TEL, Information Services
Email:  hvanderh@edtel.alta.net
Voice:  403-441-7877
Fax:    403-424-8312

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From: campbellp@logica.com (Peter Campbell Smith)
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas
Organization: Logica, London
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 11:35:01 GMT


In article <telecom15.24.12@eecs.nwu.edu> Tony Harminc 
<EL406045@BROWNVM.
brown.edu> writes:

> What happens if you dial a Canadian 800 number this way?  Is the
> overseas carrier actually doing an SS7 lookup to determine the 
carrier
> or are they just assuming that country code 1 = USA ?  Sigh -- I can
> guess the answer.  Could someone with a few pence to burn try a
> Canadian number that isn't reachable from the US, such as Bell
> Canada's Ontario business office line 800 668-2355 (or 800 NOT-BELL 
as
> I prefer to think of it)?

> I won't be surprised to hear that you get to pay for a call that 
says
> "the number you have dialed cannot be reached from your calling 
area"

 From the UK you first get the recording saying that if the call is
answered you will have to pay for it, then a few rings, then a
recording saying that the 800 number you have called is not available
where you are calling from, ending with the words '702 7'.  I have no
way of telling whether I was actually charged for the call, though a
non-800 call that gets to North America but ends with an American
recording (such as the number you have dialed is not in service) is 
not 
billed.

One might think that 702 was where my call 'landed' in North America,
but according to my (possibly out of date) list it is Nevada, which
seems somewhat unlikely.  I know international calling used to be a
bit of a gamble ...


Peter Campbell Smith, Logica, London, UK
mailto: campbellp@logica.com


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well I have called 800 numbers which 
were
not in service and wound up getting intercept messages from the 
geographical
area code where the 800 service had been located, such as 'the number 
you
dialed is not in service, 312, etcetera ..'

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From: pritter@nit.AirTouch.COM (Phil Ritter)
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas
Organization: AirTouch Cellular, Los Angeles
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 15:46:09 GMT


In article <telecom15.23.6@eecs.nwu.edu> Mr Robert Hall 
<robhall@HK.Super.
NET> writes:

> Judith Oppenheimer and Ari Wuolle have both discussed the fact that 
it
> is now possible to access U.S. 800 numbers from international 
locations.  
> Following Judith's dialing suggestions, I attempted to call a number
> of 800 numbers from Hong Kong.  For example, I dialed:

> 011                 International Access Code
>    1                Country Code for U.S.
>      800-555-1212   800 Directory Assistance

> The call appears to have been processed by the Hong Kong switch, but 
I
> get a recording in a very American voice telling me:

> "access to the 800 number you have dialed is not free when dialed 
from
> outside the United States.  If you proceed with this call, you will 
be
> billed international direct dial rates for this call.  If you do not
> wish to proceed with this call, hang up now". 

I also wonder how the billing is handled on the US side.  Since the
carrier is receiving revenue for this call on the originating side, do
they still bill the 800 number owner (the terminating party) for the
calls?  If they don't, how do they differentiate these calls.  If they
do, it sounds like the IXC has their hands in both parties pockets.
Not a bad deal (for the carrier, that is).  Sure explains the
incentive to open up 800 for IDDD!


Phil Ritter   pritter@la.airtouch.com


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think the caller is billed for the
portion of the call from his country to the gateway in the USA where
the carrier's switch is located, and the USA recipeient of the call is
billed for the USA portion only, same as before. When we first 
discussed
this a couple years ago, when AT&T was handling international calls to
800 numbers via their USA Direct program, didn't we discover that the
international caller was billed for a call to Pittsburgh, PA at an 
AT&T
office there, and the USA party got billed for an 800 call from 
Pittsburgh
to wherever they were?   PAT]

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From: Mitch Greer@data.InterServ.Com
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas
Date: 11 Jan 1995 20:51:27 GMT
Organization: DCLU - City of Seattle


> I've been wondering about overseas access to non-US NANP 800 
numbers.
> What happens if you dial a Canadian 800 number this way? 

> Could someone with a few pence to burn try a
> Canadian number that isn't reachable from the US, such as Bell
> Canada's Ontario business office line 800 668-2355 (or 800 NOT-BELL 
as
> I prefer to think of it)?

> I won't be surprised to hear that you get to pay for a call that 
says
> "the number you have dialed cannot be reached from your calling 
area".

I tried and was turned back from the local switch with:

"You have reached a number that is disconnected or no longer in
service.  If you feel that you've reached this recording in error..."

I'm in range of Canadian TV from Vancouver and just for giggles I
occasionally try a Canadian 800 and I always get turned back with that
recording.  The last time I was in Vancouver I tried calling a
friend's 800 number in Los Angeles from a coin phone and was turned
back with a recording from the 206 area code.


Mitch

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Date: 11 Jan 95 15:22:16 EST
From: Marko Ruokonen <100031.31@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas


Here's what I have found out about dialing US 800 numbers from Germany
by ISDN and by GSM (D1-Telekom):

First, I tried 001-800-555-1212 (00 international access code, 1 CC 
for US):

ISDN: tri-tone, "Keine Verbindung unter dieser Vorwahl".
(Translation: "No connection by this area code")

GSM: German ringing tone, then the anouncement "Leider ist uns diese
Rufnummer nicht bekannt. Am besten fragen Sie bei der Auskunft nach.-
We are afraid we have no record of this number. Please call the 
information 
service". (Note: there is NO tri-tone with the announcement).

Then, I tried just 001-800:

ISDN: same as above.

GSM: (after a looong delay, 20 sec.): "Die von Ihnen gewahlte 
Rufnummer ist
unvollstandig. Bitte rufen Sie die Auskunft an.", translation (not in 
the
announcement): "The number you have dialed is incomplete. Please call
directory
assistance".

Note: Dialing just 001 on the GSM results in the "incomplete" message,
but only after five seconds. Makes me wonder what is going on in the
switch when someone dials 001-800. I do not think this is a timeout
situation, since on the GSM phone I have to enter the number and press
"SEND" to place the call and it is not possible to append numbers
after SEND has been pressed.


Marko Ruokonen   100031.31@compuserve.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:55:05 HKT
From: Mr Robert Hall <robhall@HK.Super.NET>
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas


Tony Harminc <EL406045@BROWNVM.brown.edu> wrote:

> I've been wondering about overseas access to non-US NANP 800 
numbers.
> What happens if you dial a Canadian 800 number this way?  Is the
> overseas carrier actually doing an SS7 lookup to determine the 
carrier
> or are they just assuming that country code 1 = USA ?  Sigh -- I can
> guess the answer.  Could someone with a few pence to burn try a
> Canadian number that isn't reachable from the US, such as Bell
> Canada's Ontario business office line 800 668-2355 (or 800 NOT-BELL 
as
> I prefer to think of it)?

> I won't be surprised to hear that you get to pay for a call that 
says
> "the number you have dialed cannot be reached from your calling 
area".

Tony:

I tried dialing the NOT BELL number.  Received my same message 
("you'll have 
to pay for this call").  Waited on the line after the message, but the
line was cut.  Something somewhere isn't working, even if I stay on
the line indicating that I will pay IDD charges!


Regards,

Rob Hall

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From: Judith Oppenheimer <producer@pipeline.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 1995 21:57:35 -0500
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas  


The call being completed with the message "this is not a free 
call" are being done by Sprint.


Judith Oppenheimer

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Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 1995 09:41:05 GMT
From: Clive D.W. Feather <clive@sco.COM>


Quoth Tony Harminc:

> I've been wondering about overseas access to non-US NANP 800 
numbers.
> What happens if you dial a Canadian 800 number this way?

> Could someone with a few pence to burn try a
> Canadian number that isn't reachable from the US, such as Bell
> Canada's Ontario business office line 800 668-2355

I got the above message (though with slightly different wording)
referring to the United States, followed by ringing. I then hung up.


Clive D.W. Feather     | Santa Cruz Operation    
clive@sco.com          | Croxley Centre          
Phone: +44 1923 813541 | Hatters Lane, Watford   
Fax:   +44 1923 813811 | WD1 8YN, United Kingdom 

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From: cmylod@nl.oracle.com (Colum Mylod)
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas
Date: 12 Jan 1995 10:32:26 GMT
Organization: Oracle Corporation. Redwood Shores, CA


Tony Harminc (EL406045@BROWNVM.brown.edu) wrote:

> I've been wondering about overseas access to non-US NANP 800 
numbers.
> What happens if you dial a Canadian 800 number this way? [...]
> Canada's Ontario business office line 800 668-2355 (or 800 NOT-BELL 
as

Caling from +44 land: "access to the 800 number you have dialed is
not free from outside the United States..." etc, i.e. the (now) usual
disclaimer before the number rings. I hung up on the first subsequent
ring.

Sorry Canada, you've been annexed.

PS: Access to +1 800 is still blocked from other European countries.

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 95 11:16:32 GMT
From: jth@ion.le.ac.uk (Julian Thornhill)
Subject: Re: 800 Numbers From Overseas


> I've been wondering about overseas access to non-US NANP 800 
numbers.
> What happens if you dial a Canadian 800 number this way?

> I won't be surprised to hear that you get to pay for a call that 
says
> "the number you have dialed cannot be reached from your calling 
area".

Well I just tried it from the UK via British Telecom and got the usual
message "800 numbers from outside the **US** are not free ..." and
then I got the ringing tone, so I guess it works. Didn't stay on the
line to see who answered though!


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