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The system will prompt you for your information. ========================================================================== Category 32, Topic 31 Message 1 Tue Sep 15, 1992 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 18:38 EDT For immediate release CodeHeadQuarters Tuesday, September 15, 1992 --------------------------- ............................................... : : : CodeHead Technologies announces : : : : Warp 9 3.71 -- now with Extend-O-Save, : : the Modular Screensaver! : : : :.............................................: Why Should Mac and PC Users Have All the Fun? --------------------------------------------- One of the most popular utility/entertainment programs in the Mac and PC worlds right now is After Dark (tm), a "screensaver" that is infinitely expandable through external modules. Now, CodeHead Technologies ups the Fun Quotient in the Atari world with Extend- O-Save, the modular screensaver in the new version of Warp 9! No longer do you have to put up with the same dull screensaver graphics day after day -- with Extend-O-Save the possibilities are almost limitless. (Flying toasters, anyone?) Warp 9 now comes with 5 screensaver modules (maybe more by the time you read this). The method for writing modules will be freely distributed, so any programmer will be able to write new modules at will. Some of the features of Warp 9 w/ Extend-O-Save include: o Move the mouse into a corner of the screen to automatically start the screensaver, or move it to another corner to prevent the screensaver from kicking in. (And you can tell it which corners you want to use.) o Pick the types of events that will prevent the screensaver from kicking in (such as modem or MIDI input, or GEM graphics and text), and automatically control the screensaver for individual programs. o Select any 'time-out' interval from 1 to 99 minutes. (The 'time-out' is the amount of time Extend-O-Save will wait before activating the screensaver.) In addition to Extend-O-Save, the new version of Warp 9 has some other major enhancements: o PinHead is now built into Warp 9, so you can remove one more program from your AUTO folder. Full automatic control of the 'fastload' effect for specific programs is included, just as it was in PinHead. o Automatic loading of specific fonts and desktop pictures for each program you run. o A revamped Warp 9 Control Panel, with new controls, and an improved 'Save Config' option. And of course, Warp 9 still has the screen acceleration and other great features (like custom fonts and desktop pictures) that have made it the most popular and most compatible software accelerator ever for Atari computers. Upgrading from Earlier Versions ------------------------------- To upgrade from any previous version of Warp 9 to the new Extend-O-Save version, just send us your original Warp 9 master disk and a check for $15.00 (includes postage and handling). When you mail us the disk, there's no need for a special envelope or disk mailer; simply put it in a normal letter-sized envelope and drop it in the mailbox. If you own any version of Quick ST or Turbo ST, you can upgrade to Warp 9 for just $30.00 by sending us your original disk and a check. (The previous limited $20 upgrade offer has been extended at this new price.) The retail price of Warp 9 is $44.95. CodeHead Technologies P.O. Box 74090 Los Angeles, CA 90004 Phone: (213) 386-5735 (Mon-Fri 9A-1P Pacific Time) FAX: (213) 386-5789 BBS: (213) 461-2095 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 2 Mon Feb 22, 1993 STEVE-J [FunkPopARoll] at 02:17 EST Flying Shapes bombs on my 4MB 1040STE w/ TOS 1.62 also. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 3 Mon Feb 22, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 11:18 EST Josh, I'm not sure what's causing your problem with colors, but Flying Shapes does not even change the color palette. When Flying Shapes kicks in it swaps the foreground and background colors (so the border changes to the same color as the screen), and when it kicks out it reverses the swap. I just tested this in ST medium resolution, setting my colors the way you described, and the colors were properly restored on exiting Flying Shapes... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= To All, The problem between Flying Shapes and TOS 1.06/1.62 has been fixed, and I'll be uploading the new version today. - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Monday, February 22, 1993 8:17 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 4 Mon Feb 22, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 16:55 EST Version 1.1 of the Flying Shapes EOS module has been uploaded, and will be available for your downloading pleasure soon. This fixes the conflict some folks have reported with TOS 1.06/1.62, and also adds a few new features. Enjoy! - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Monday, February 22, 1993 1:53 pm P.S. We have at least two more new modules under development too... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 5 Mon Feb 22, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 21:18 EST Josh, Dropout saves and restores Color 0 (the only color it alters). If your colors are being adversely affected, I think you must have some resident software that is altering colors in the background. I can't think of any other way that you could have these results. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 6 Mon Feb 22, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:08 EST Let us know when you've had enough, folks! I've just uploaded yet another Extend-O-Save module (PUZZLE.LZH, file #27829). This is the familiar Sliding Puzzle. It works in all ST/TT resolutions and has configuration options for size of blocks and speed. Enjoy! John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 7 Mon Feb 22, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 22:19 EST Keep 'em coming, Charles. You guys are getting better and better with your EOS modules! (You too, John Dillenburg. :^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 8 Mon Feb 22, 1993 BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 22:30 EST John, don't stop!!! We will never have enough!! *******Brian********* Written on Monday 22 February 1993 at 11:23 p.m. AST ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 9 Mon Feb 22, 1993 P.MORALES1 [Pat] at 22:35 EST Charles & John, Once again, thank-you. Your creativity and generousity still continue to impress me. Thank-you, Pat ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 10 Mon Feb 22, 1993 M.HILL13 [Mike] at 23:48 EST John & Charles, I owe you guys a million thanks for Mandala...... My little girl (2 1/2 years old) has an ear infection. She woke up in the middle of the night last weekend crying. Since she was in pain and a little too young to understand anything all the normal things to calm her down failed. Both my wife and myself were getting pretty un-nerved since we couldn't calm her down. While walking around with her in my arms I noticed my Mega STE was still on downstairs. I took my little girl downstairs and when she saw the screen saver in action she immediately quieted down and fell asleep in my arms while I sat with her in the computer chair!!!!! Thanks for Mandala. I found a use for it that you may not have considered! Mike P.S. Shes all better now, but she still likes Mandala! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 11 Mon Feb 22, 1993 M.MOTOGAWA [MEL] at 23:50 EST Whooeeeee! With Flying Shapes all sorts of shapes are now whipping about my screen at such high velocities that it seems my cpu has suddenly clock- quadrupled! I knew Warp 9 was fast, but Flying Shapes gives a new definition to speed, particularly if you assign a short tail, set the speed to 4 and non- randomize the delta settings. An excellent demo of Warp 9's speed. Puzzle is also randomizing my screen faster than a whirling dervish. Kudos Charles and John!! - Mel ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 12 Tue Feb 23, 1993 J.SNYDER7 [Cali-Co.] at 00:02 EST Re Colors in Flying Shapes... it's not that the saver isnt clean in regards to reseting colors when it's done, it's just that om My screen with My Color choices, when the screen saver is active you get a Whight screen. This is whats not acceptable. Josh @ Cali-Co. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 13 Tue Feb 23, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 03:16 EST Josh, Oh, now I understand what you're saying. I guess that you'll have to be more selective in your screensaver choices, if you want to invert your palette like that. It certainly wouldn't make sense for Dropout to swap colors before dropping its pieces out. That would counter the whole point of the module. I imagine Mandala will work fairly well with your color choices. Have you thought about writing your own Extend-O-Save modules? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 14 Tue Feb 23, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 05:41 EST >clock-quadrupled! I knew Warp 9 was fast, but Flying Shapes gives a new >definition to speed, particularly if you assign a short tail, set the speed >to 4 and non-randomize the delta settings. An excellent demo of Warp 9's >speed. Puzzle is also randomizing my screen faster than a whirling dervish. Imagine how it would look on a TT030! Pretty fast on a MegaSTE with blitter, too, I would bet.. Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 15 Tue Feb 23, 1993 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:03 EST By the way, those who are annoyed by programs like WordPerfect that write directly to the screen and `bleed through' most screensavers, Flying Shapes is the first module I've seen that completely overcomes this. (I'm still using the original unfixed version on my TT.) Dropout also overcomes it in a way, if you configure it to recycle fairly often: after a WP autosave, the status line will only stay there until the next Dropout cycle. ... and now you tell me there's MORE on the way?! :) gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 16 Tue Feb 23, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:33 EST So what was causing TOS 1.06/1.62 to bomb? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 17 Tue Feb 23, 1993 S.GARRIGUS [Scotty] at 20:04 EST Terry May, I downloaded Moving Pictures and set it up according to the directions but it doesn't seem to be working. Is there some kind of bug? Or maybe it doesn't work on TOS 1.0? Thanks for your help! Charles and John, Thanks a lot guys! Flying Shapes and Puzzle are excellent! We'll never have enough! ;-) Scotty SRG Software ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 18 Tue Feb 23, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 21:09 EST Scotty, Never have enough, eh? Well, I just uploaded a new version of Flying Shapes (that fixes a minor bug) and... another new module that I threw together in a few hours called Fortune Cookie! Watch for the new Flying Shapes and Fortune Cookie as soon as the sysops clear 'em. - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Tuesday, February 23, 1993 6:07 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 19 Tue Feb 23, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 21:51 EST Scotty, Send me GEmail with your MOVEPICS.CTL file and explain in better detail what is happening. (Don't want to infringe on this topic.) __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 20 Tue Feb 23, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:11 EST David Fairweather, The reason that Flying Shapes crashed on TOS 1.06 is that we were checking the system variables for TT RAM to make sure the screenbuffer do not get put there. Apparently, TOS 1.06 has valid flags for TT RAM, but the system crashes when the system TT RAM memory allocation calls are made. It's a buggy version of TOS -- what can I say. I strongly recommend the TOS upgrade to 2.06 for anyone using TOS 1.06/1.62. I can't think of a better value in the Atari world than to upgrade to TOS 2.06 by simply spending $60 and swapping two chips. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 21 Wed Feb 24, 1993 R.BROTHERHO1 [Rog] at 00:25 EST I've had WARP9 for about a month now with no real problems other than a slight incompatibility with C-Lab Notator (this is cleared up when I turn off the screen acceleration in the WARP9.ACC), but lately WARP9 has been bombing and locking up the computer at boot up. I get nine bombs above the WARP9 logo. This doesn't happen every time, and when it does WARP9 always loads perfectly on the second try. Anyone know what's going on? Thanks for a fantastic product, by the way. Rog. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 22 Wed Feb 24, 1993 STEVE-J [FunkPopARoll] at 00:44 EST CODEHEAD - I hate to say this Charles, but when I set up Warp 9's Control Panel to load the Flying Shapes v1.1 EOS module, the Warp 9 Control Panel no longer appears in my desk accessory menu. Odd, huh? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 23 Wed Feb 24, 1993 G.KICHOK [Gerry K] at 00:52 EST Hi CodeHeads, I have a problem: In the WARP 9 Release Notes Version 3.70 with Extend-O-Save on page 3, Automatic Fonts and Pictures there is an example of "USCRIPT.PRG f0 pLOSTNSPC.PC3" for the WARP9.DAT file. Well I tried this and it doesn't work. In my example the line in WARP9.DAT was "STENO.PRG f0 pGRIBNIF.PI3", running on my 520ST w/2.5 ZRAM, TOS 1.4, and a MegaFile 60. I was running XBoot3, Jar19, WARP9 3.75, PoolFix4, DataDiet 2, and NeoLoad 3.03, from the Auto Folder. For ACC's MDD 3.4a which has DataDiet 2, G+Plus 1.5, NeoControl, NeoQueue, IChoose (Gribnif stuff), LoadMAXI (from Trace Tech for Maxifile 3), and the Warp9_C.ACC, the other ACC slot was XControl. This all autobooted into NeoDesk with a background NEODESK.PI3. I set WARP9 Control panel to allocated picture memory and load a defult picture. Then rebooted after saving the new config. When I ran STENO.PRG from the NeoDesk-top the GRIBNIF.PI3 would load and things where OK. But when I quit STeno it bombs 8 times. I thought it was the NeoDesk picture confilicting with it but when I rebooted WIHTOUT NeoDesk loaded, and I ran STeno.prg then QUIT the computer would simply freeze afterward. The mouse could be moved but nothing worked. When I tried another program after warm booting with the picture set, and not the FastLoad (ALAD.PRG pGENIE.PI3 tGEMFONT.FNT) it worked fine so I removed the 'f0' from the STENO.PRG line inside WARP9.DAT and after rebooting it worked fine inside and outside NeoDesk. Now what's wrong??? For one I thought ACC's and STeno and STalker needed the FastLoad turned off, at least it did when I tried PinHead. Everything seems fine, the ACC's and STeno with the FastLoad left ON. What programs DO YOU know of that need the FASLOAD OFF, (any)? I'm a litle sick with a cold, so maybe I missed something in the updates, but I think something is wrong. Thanks CodeHeads, please keep the screen savers coming! Gerry K., HBO-AUG Librarian ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 24 Wed Feb 24, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:14 EST Would I need the TOS expansion board to upgrade my 1040 STE to TOS 2.06 or can I just plug in the chips? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 25 Wed Feb 24, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 10:47 EST Rog, Once the Warp 9 logo appears on the screen at bootup time, it has finished installing. It's most likely the next program you have running that is causing your occasional bombs. Gerry K., I'm not sure why you were getting the crashing problem, but I'd suggest just leaving the fastload setting alone. The only program I know of that requires it to be turned _off_ is UltraScript. Neither STeno nor STalker should require the disabling of PinHead or Warp 9 fastloading, whether running as ACCs or PRGs. Perhaps your confusion about this is caused by the fact that ACCs in general should not have their "fastload bit" set if you _don't_ use PinHead or Warp 9 (or even if you do). This is a GEM problem and has nothing to do with PinHead, Warp 9, STalker, or STeno. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 26 Wed Feb 24, 1993 TQUINN [Terry~Sysop] at 11:26 EST The first 200 messages (or so) in this Topic have been archived and are available in Library 13 as file # 27845 (WARP9_12.ARC). This archive covers the period between January 12, 1993 and February 23, 1993. Terry Quinn ST RT Sysop and BBS Janitor ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 27 Wed Feb 24, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 11:34 EST Steve-J, Try this: run a program, quit it, and then check your desk menu. The Warp 9 CP probably shows up now, right? If so, what's happening is that the extra time it takes for Flying Shapes to set up its configuration dialog box when it loads (it has to call the AES function rsrc_obfix() repeatedly) is allowing the desktop to finish building its menus before the Warp 9 CP has registered itself -- therefore the name doesn't appear until you run a program and quit, which forces the desktop to rebuild its menus again. This situation is also affected by the other accessories you run, and by how much time they take at startup to initialize themselves. I just tried to duplicate this with my usual setup, and couldn't. The best way to avoid this sort of problem is to use MultiDesk Deluxe, and load the Warp 9 Control Panel as the last resident accessory. - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Tuesday, February 23, 1993 10:38 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 28 Wed Feb 24, 1993 M.SQUIRE [Mike] at 21:04 EST John and Charles, I'd like to add my thanks to those of us here who are really delighted to see the new screen savers that you've uploaded to the RT Library. It never fails to surprise me whenever I run across a new one when I'm checking for new files. My favorite of the latest crop, though, would have to be Fortune Cookie. It's very entertaining. I think I'd like Flying Shapes a lot better if it featured color on a color monitor instead of white shapes on a black background. -~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~-~- Mike Hill, I enjoyed your message here about the theraputic effect of Mandala on your daughter during her recent illness. Thanks for sharing that with us. ... Mike Squire ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 29 Wed Feb 24, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:58 EST Steve Johnson, Are you auto-running a program from the GEM desktop (or with STARTGEM)? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 30 Wed Feb 24, 1993 J.TOWLER1 [John] at 23:19 EST John, I noticed that the Mandala screen saver you uploaded recently (great screen saver, too!) doesn't blank the NeoDesk corner clock I use. There is a white rectangle left with black digits. The original modules included with Warp 9 don't leave the clock visible. The modules John Dillenburg produced also leave the corner clock visible. Was this intended, or does NeoDesk's clock pose some problem? - John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 31 Wed Feb 24, 1993 R.MORROW10 [Bob M.] at 23:20 EST David- On an STe, changing the TOS chips from whatever to 2.06 is a simple remove and replace operation. There are also some jumpers that need to be resoldered. Takes 30 minutes total. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 32 Thu Feb 25, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 01:07 EST I love Fortune Cookie! ----but: Would it be possible for you to modify it so as to allow it to display more than one line of text at a time? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 33 Thu Feb 25, 1993 STEVE-J [FunkPopARoll] at 01:55 EST By the way, doesn't it seem odd to have a screensaver that keeps the screen borders white while 'saving' the actual display area (e.g. PUZZLE, DROPOUT, ROLL 'EM, etc.)? Or don't the screen borders NEED to be given 'life?' Speaking of which, is it possible to assign a different color to the screen border or does the screen border ALWAYS have to be the first color in the palette? If so, are there any programs available that WILL allow you to assign the screen borders a different color? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 34 Thu Feb 25, 1993 G.KICHOK [Gerry K] at 02:09 EST John, thanks for the quick reply, the reason I had PinHead disabled in STalker and STeno is in the respective manuals it states in the Tech. Info. section under Using PinHead that STALKER.ACC, STENO.ACC, and STENO.PRG be entered into the PINHEAD.DAT file because the memory must be cleared before running. So, as you stated, and I want to be clear about this, all ACC's and STeno.prg and STalker.prg should _NOT_ have WARP 9's fastload option turned OFF in order to run. (All ACC's that you know of.) And is there any validity in having a *.ACC f32 in the WARP9.DAT file? I wouldn't think so after reading your note. (Are wild card even valid?) Thanks for your help, and your Screen Savers, Gerry K. - HB0-AUG Librarian (Hamilton-Burlington-Oakville Atari User Group Librarian) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 35 Thu Feb 25, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:43 EST Gerry, I know from my TT experience that ARTGALRY needs to have the screen acceleration turned off (on my TT, at least; others may have a different result), but very few applications need to have the fast-load setting off. Please be sure that you have the fast-load bit on each DA and app turned off (the one that is in the actual header of the file), since Warp 9 does the fast- loading in a more intelligent fashion. Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 36 Thu Feb 25, 1993 STEVE-J [FunkPopARoll] at 04:11 EST CODEHEAD - When it happened, I tried it clean (no AUTO programs or DA's other than those associated w/ Warp 9) and it still happened. I just checked it again and it WILL show up after running a program, so at least I have a workaround! By the way, in what order does TOS load desk accessories? J.EIDSVOOG1 - Nope! Like I said, I even tried it clean and it happened. I'll have to see if I can re-create it, though. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 37 Thu Feb 25, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 07:38 EST David, No board needed. Just pull out the old TOS chips, move three jumpers and away you go. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Wednesday, February 24, 1993 - 9:24:36 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 38 Thu Feb 25, 1993 D.FLORY [ALERTsys*Cop] at 08:03 EST I, too, like fortune cookie. Problem, tho', I run a mono monitor and when cookie comes on the text is bright and then it goes dim until its hardly visible. If I turn up the brightness enough to see the cookie text, then when the screen saver goes off I am blinded with the brightness of the screen. Is it possible to squeeze in the ability to larger letters so that enough of the screen is illuminated to keep the letters from fading out. Shapes works fine in this sense and no longer crashes when I have it running at the same time as an Aladdin pass. Something you did in the last two revs fixed that. (-: Happy Bytes :-) Dave Flory, ALERTsys*Cop 23:15 PST - 06/30/79 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 39 Thu Feb 25, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 20:17 EST Gerry Kichok, The STalker and STeno documentation about disabling PinHead's fastloading only pertains to the very first versions of PinHead. Shortly after PinHead came out (several years ago) a feature was added to it allowing you to clear extra memory. That solved the problem with _all_ accessories and there has not been a problem since. That's one of the main things that makes PinHead/Warp 9 better than "setting the fastload bit" (besides the ease of automation). To clarify further, do not be concerned about PinHead or Warp 9 fastloading except with UltraScript. You'll have no problems whatsoever (as long as you don't set the fastload _bit_ on ACCs) and you'll lose less sleep. Don't worry, be happy. Steve Johnson, The border (of a color monitor) is always the background color. To change the border's color in Puzzle, Dropout, or Roll 'Em would completely destroy their effects. Dropout _does_ black out the border color once all of the pieces have dropped and the change won't be noticed. GEM loads ACCs in the order it finds them on the disk. After loading them all, it begins by calling the first one. Each AES call made by an ACC causes the next ACC to be called (and the desktop itself is one of the apps in this circle). This round robin continues for a while, but in the case of Warp 9 CP, the dialog box of Flying Shapes contains too many objects and the CP doesn't get enough turns before the desktop arbitarily decides to cut off its generosity. A future version of the CP will make sure to call its menu register call before initing the EOS mods. Meanwhile, Flying Shapes will fix up its dialog box when the Configure option is called the first time instead. John Towler, Mandala doesn't use the "Alternate Screen" technique of our "newer" modules (that's right...Mandala is old stuff ). I may update it some day to use an alternate screen. If you use the HotWire clock, you won't have that problem. Actually, those who use HotWire or MultiDesk won't have the problem with Flying Shapes hiding the Warp 9 Control Panel either. Good things come to those who use CodeHead Software. We can't force you -- we can only make it extremely pleasant when you do. Maybe a good addition to FORTUNE.ASC would be "Utopia: A system full of CodeHead Software". John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 40 Thu Feb 25, 1993 S.GARRIGUS [Scotty] at 20:30 EST Hi Charles! Wow! Only a few hours to write a whole brand new EOS module?! Is that a new record? We'll have to start calling you a programming god... :-) I'm at work right now, but the minute I get home I'll be downloading those babies! :-) Thanks! Scotty SRG Software ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 41 Thu Feb 25, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 21:03 EST Atari Computers / Graphics (AtariNet), #99 of 100 Date: 21 Feb 93 16:46:12 From: Evan Langlois of 51:202/0 To: All Subj: DropOut Anyone try the new eos 'dropout' ? I wish it would start real slow and speedup as it goes, but its still really nice. Interesting that if something like that happened to a DOS user they'd fear for their hard drives (there is a DOS virus that does what dropout does. Characters in dos will just drop out of the screen while your typing! Then it formats your drive I think or something like that), yet we do it on purpose!! We need an eos that slowly transform the mouse into a set of teeth and have it chase the icons around the screen (eventually eating some of them and most of the screen) - I think that would a real kicker, especially the first time someone ELSE sees it and doesn't know what it is. * CQWK 1.7 * --- Maximus 2.01wb * Origin: Wylie Connection 214-442-2584 ZyXEL 16.8K V32Bis (51:202/0) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 42 Fri Feb 26, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 07:29 EST One thing I noticed about the Warp-9 screen savers. I use Stalker quite a bit and the screen savers will kick in while doing an upload but not while doing a download. And yes I have Warp-9 watching the RS-232 port... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Thursday, February 25, 1993 - 5:27:36 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 43 Fri Feb 26, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 09:27 EST Terry, That's an interesting idea about the rate of Dropout accelerating as it progresses. It wouldn't be hard to do and I may add it to a future version. We've also talked about other various "joke" modules. For instance, a module that starts out be putting a few bombs on the screen, adding a few more, and then gradually deteriorating the screen as some crashes do. Another one, for programmers, might just pop a debugging screen into place (like Templmon or Amon). Ha..Ha..Ha..so funny I forgot to laugh. Scotty, Actually, I think the speed record for writing an EOS module has to be the Stacy Screen Blanker. It only took me about 10 minutes. Of course, there is virtually no complexity to it, but it does provide a needed function for some people. The KickIn and KickOut routines are each two instructions long. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 44 Fri Feb 26, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 10:57 EST Jeff ST'er, Hmmm...that may be because of the way Warp 9 checks the RS-232 port. Instead of slowing down BIOS I/O by looking at every call, it checks a hardware bit which will be set while the hardware is constructing a byte on the port. It "looks at" this hardware bit during an interrupt, so it will only detect activity that is happening at that exact instant. This means it will miss some activity, but it's unlikely that it will miss it on every check within the timeout interval. What is your timeout value? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 45 Fri Feb 26, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 14:17 EST OK, folks; new versions of both Flying Shapes and Fortune Cookie have been uploaded. Both modules have been fixed to properly set screen colors, and the "disappearing Warp 9 Control Panel" syndrome in Flying Shapes has also been fixed. Fortune Cookie 1.1 now lets you load any Warp 9 screen font for displaying fortunes, which should help with the monochrome "fading text" problem -- just load a bolder font. - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Friday, February 26, 1993 11:15 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 46 Fri Feb 26, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 19:48 EST Argh! What order does TOS load desk accessories? Any darn order it wants to. They *seem* to load in disk order, but you can't rely on that order when they are called by the OS. Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 47 Fri Feb 26, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 22:25 EST John, I agree. I think that would be a nice improvement to Dropout (accelerating as it progresses). Have you seen the After Dark module that takes bites out of your screen, with the sound of an apple being bitten? Neat module, but it scared the crap out of me one day when I had my boom box turned up and it kicked in. ;^) -----8<----- Thanks for the updates, Charles!! __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 48 Fri Feb 26, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 23:01 EST Charles, Three problems I found with Fortune Cookie 1.1: 1. You forgot to include docs. :^) 2. If I change the time interval prior to loading a font, the new time is lost and I have to change it again. 3. Any new font I load in medium res gives me garbage output. The very same fonts (and all others I tried) load and work fine in high res. I tried several 8x8 fonts of different sizes, and all caused the fortunes to display as garbage. What's worse is choosing Cancel does not restore the original font. The only way to correct it is to install a new copy. __ /erry .\\ay P.S. The new Flying Shapes works GREAT. I love the palette change! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 49 Fri Feb 26, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:17 EST Jeff, What port are you using? I never have a screen saver kick in with STalker. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 50 Sat Feb 27, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 00:05 EST Terry, Sheesh. Sometimes it seems like nothing goes right. I've fixed those problems, and I'm uploading a new version of Fortune Cookie tonight (including the docs this time). - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Friday, February 26, 1993 8:59 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 51 Sat Feb 27, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 00:39 EST Maybe the Fortune Cookie is trying to tell you something Charles. :-) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 52 Sat Feb 27, 1993 G.KICHOK [Gerry K] at 01:00 EST John, Thanks for the information and I would like to add that things have been much better behaved on my system scince removing all the 'f0's in my WARP9.DAT file, I don't own ULTRASCRIPT,(I do own ART Gallery but don't use it much). Imagine being ill, sitting at home, adding a simple line to the WARP9.DAT file, pSUNSHINE.PI3 to brighten my day with a variety of pictures. Then having my computer CrAsH and bUrN for most of the afternoon, my head Pounding, Sweat running down mY NECK, GETTING MORE AND MORE TenNnSSSe @#$#@!!@@ Well everthing allllll better now, thanks Gerry K. - HBO-AUG Librarian (Hamilton-Burlington-Oakville Atari User Group Librarian) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 53 Sat Feb 27, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 01:08 EST Charles, I actually like the font you used for medium res, and will probably stick with it. But us beta testers are wont to play. ;^) I don't much care for the high res font. I switched to TREK8X16. :^) __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 54 Sat Feb 27, 1993 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 11:10 EST What's code for? To modify right?!? I'd like to be able to put more than a single line on the screen. Any possibily of allowing a different delimiter so that you might use favorite quotes instead of one-liners? Obviously you wouldn't want this thing to be a "memory pig", so how about a randomize function allowing you to make up several quote files and only one loads. At any rate, I like it, I like it, I LIKE IT! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 55 Sat Feb 27, 1993 MYECK.WATERS [myeck] at 11:51 EST Charles and John; Flying Shapes and Puzzle both work A-OK for me! I am now an officially happy camper. Thanks, guys. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 56 Sat Feb 27, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 16:55 EST John, Timeout Value = 2 minutes. And it kicks in everytime I upload. Guess I will have to disable the screen savers for Stalker. Ron, Only one port - 1040STe. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Saturday, February 27, 1993 - 4:36:32 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 57 Sat Feb 27, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 17:46 EST > Timeout Value = 2 minutes. And it kicks in everytime I upload. Guess I >will have to disable the screen savers for Stalker. > Ron, > Only one port - 1040STe. STRANGE I have never had a problem with screen savers sensing RS232 I/O in STalker. Its just standard I/O. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 58 Sat Feb 27, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 21:26 EST Binary Ink, Moving Pictures v2.0 will do what you want. That is, allow you to make up smaller quote files and select them at random (when you boot). I currently have Moving Pictures randomizing my background pics, my EOS modules, my Mandala palettes, my PicFade pictures, and my Soft-Sci IMG files. And I just barely got started. ;^) Filename is MOVPIC20.ZIP. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 59 Sat Feb 27, 1993 D.ALVEAR1 [Dom Alvear] at 21:57 EST I hope this is the "correct" topic since there is both a Warp 9 and an EOS topic here. Maybe we should start an EOS "Suggestions/Kudos" section? To John @ CodeHead: What do you guys do? Program EOS modules in your sleep? I like Dropout and Puzzle. How about a drain module where the screen starts getting sucked into the center? Or corner? To Charles @ CodeHead: Flying Shapes is fun to watch. Now I can't decide which EOS module to use! A randomizer would be nice. [FX: ducking] How about this change for Flying Shapes. Instead of having "Triangle" and "Polygon" how about making the "Polygon" option have a "# of vertices" choice? So if I wanted 3 vertices I'd get a triangle and with 5 vertices I'd get a pentagon, etc. And how about dual triangles and polygons? Of course if you choose to add my N-gon idea, then it would be dual N-gon's. :-) Dom ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 60 Sat Feb 27, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 23:50 EST Dom, See my previous message about Moving Pictures. You can have random EOS modules NOW! It's really the only way to fly, what with all the _excellent_ modules now available. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 61 Sun Feb 28, 1993 STARFALL [Alan] at 03:03 EST This isn't major, but it surprised me when I first noticed it. If HotWire is loaded, Extend-O-Save will kick out at exactly midnight. This is even with the corner clock turned off, and all the EOS "watch" boxes deselected. My guess is that at midnight HotWire resynchs its internal clock with the keyboard clock, and EOS is seeing the time request as keyboard activity. Am I right? / / * / Alan * * ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 62 Sun Feb 28, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 06:02 EST Same thing happens with HotSaver, Alan... __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 63 Sun Feb 28, 1993 S.GARRIGUS [Scotty] at 09:03 EST John, You don't want to be programming god? Okay, we'll let Charles fill that position. You can be his right hand man... first programming angel in charge. We'll have to rename this CAT to CodeHead Heaven... Good code for good people... Scotty SRG Software ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 64 Sun Feb 28, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 14:30 EST Ron, Strange I know, but it happens, especially when it is a long upload and I walk away from the system. I just disabled it in the DAT file anyhow.. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sunday, February 28, 1993 - 2:25:30 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 65 Mon Mar 01, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 00:00 EST John Dillenburg's SWARM Extendo module, seems to have the same TOS 1.6 bug that plagued Flying Shapes. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 66 Mon Mar 01, 1993 P.LATONA at 05:00 EST Can anyone help me? I just purchased Warp 9 today and found it to be almost unusable on my machine. It speeds up text and stuff fine, but Extend-O-Save doesn't work, the mouse paremeters (Block, V/H Wrap, etc) refuse to work and the mouse tries to go beyond the screen width on the right and bottom sides of the screen. It will not load TN2 pics, either. I have only it and LGS in my auto folder, no desk accessories except the one included in the package. I've followed the docs to the letter, but I STILL cannot get it to work as advertised. I have a stock Atari 1040ST/SC1224 and two disk drives-on DS/DD and one SS/DS drive. No internal hardware upgrades at all. Has anyone experienced anything like this before? Thanks, Phil Latona ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 67 Mon Mar 01, 1993 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:40 EST Terry, I downloaded Moving Pictures yesterday and took a few minutes to set it up to randomize my modules and some fonts for Fortune Cookie. Thank you!! I'm still addicted to Flying Shapes and Mandala, but at least now I won't waste any time deciding which one to use. :) gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 68 Mon Mar 01, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 08:40 EST Phil, What are your paths/folders that you are storing the pictures, EOS modules in?. Is everything on your boot disk?. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Monday, March 1, 1993 - 8:29:36 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 69 Mon Mar 01, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 08:52 EST Phil, Also what is the default path that you have set in Warp-9. The pictures and EOS files must be in this path or they will not load. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Monday, March 1, 1993 - 8:50:04 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 70 Mon Mar 01, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 12:51 EST Phil, Do you have overscan installed on your machine? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 71 Mon Mar 01, 1993 F.BELL1 [Frank @ Home] at 15:27 EST John, Charles, Warp 9 (the latest) doesn't work with my MegaScreen overscan card. :-( Do you know if it'll work with the real AutoSwitch Overscan card from OverScan Gbr? If so, at what resolutions. I ain't complaining, just asking. Frank... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 72 Mon Mar 01, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 21:33 EST That's odd, SWARM works on my TOS 1.6 machine. I've noticed that eventually all the bees leave the screen, but other than that, I've not had any problems with it. -----8<----- Gnox, Thanks for the comments on Moving Pictures. Glad you like it... __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 73 Tue Mar 02, 1993 M.MOTOGAWA [MEL] at 00:15 EST What Terry said, Swarm works fine on my dirty TOS 1.6 system. - Mel ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 74 Tue Mar 02, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 05:14 EST >That's odd, SWARM works on my TOS 1.6 machine. I've noticed that eventually >all the bees leave the screen, but other than that, I've not had any problems They are probably killer bees, migrating north... Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 75 Tue Mar 02, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 12:08 EST Frank, We haven't been able to test Warp 9 with an overscan machine. But if it will work, it would most likely be in those resolutions where the horizontal pixel size is evenly divisible by 8. I've heard that the overscan software lets you set the width to any number. I'm surprised that _any_ software works with it set to an odd size. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 76 Tue Mar 02, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 21:32 EST Maybe I got a bad copy of Swarm, I'll try downloading it again. Thanks. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 77 Tue Mar 02, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 22:43 EST >NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] > > They are probably killer bees, migrating north... Grin. You're closer to the truth than what you might think! In fact, the bees _do_ migrate north. That is, they start to gather around the top of the screen, flying 'east and west,' and then one by one start flying 'north' off the top of the screen. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 78 Wed Mar 03, 1993 J.RICE5 [Joe Rice] at 00:54 EST Frank, W9 works with Autoswitch OverScan for the most part. The only problems are text viewing in Maxifile (only partial letters are seen) and some screen garbage with some of the EOS modules (even those that aren't limited to ST resolutions) Everything else is fine, though. One weird thing about OverScan/W9 that I didn't realize until I had OverScan turned off the other day is that with OverScan on, the W9 fint is used by Aladdin when it's doing a session on GEnie. I'd read the numerous messages about the system font always being used with Aladdin, but I didn't really realize that I was getting the Warp9 font where others get the system font until I did an Aladdin session with OveScan off. Strange. joe ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 79 Wed Mar 03, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 05:31 EST >_do_ migrate north. That is, they start to gather around the top of the >screen, flying 'east and west,' and then one by one start flying 'north' off >the top of the screen. At least you can't say they 'went south'. Grin. Getting bad around here.. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 80 Wed Mar 03, 1993 TIMPURVES [Griffin] at 12:40 EST >J.RICE5 [Joe Rice] at 00:54 EST > > One weird thing about OverScan/W9 that I didn't realize until I >had OverScan turned off the other day is that with OverScan on, the >W9 fint is used by Aladdin when it's doing a session on GEnie. I'd >read the numerous messages about the system font always being used >with Aladdin, but I didn't... Aladdin when it starts up, takes a look at the system. If it finds a "normal" system, it uses it's custom high speed, screen drivers, otherwise it uses the VDI (Warp 9 handled) routines. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 81 Wed Mar 03, 1993 W.LORING1 [William] at 18:58 EST John, All the overscan software that I've seen only allows multiples of 8. Or is it 16? Anyway, I'm using Warp 9 3.61 (is there a newer one?) with overscan now. Not too many problems with it, other than the Maxifile viewer not working right (Lookit works), and some other stuff that I forget right now. I've been away from my computer since last March, so I'm a little out of touch. ...bill/daddy ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 82 Thu Mar 04, 1993 D.ALVEAR1 [Dom Alvear] at 03:15 EST In Message 60 on Sat Feb 27, 1993, Terry writes: > See my previous message about Moving Pictures. You can have random EOS > modules NOW! It's really the only way to fly, what with all the _excellent_ > modules now available. I downloaded MP, but I haven't played with it yet. What I am REALLY looking for is something to randomize ON THE FLY. I will install MP as soon as my new HD arrives, but for now, I will keep wishing for a real-time randomize for EOS modules. :-) Dom ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 83 Thu Mar 04, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 21:07 EST I just discovered something rather interesting. I created a couple CodeKeys macros for my Fade Now and Don't Fade corners. I deleted the down event, so that it wouldn't click, but I forgot to deselect Return. I thought this would stop my macro from working, but it doesn't. My macro that goes to my Fade Now (lower left) corner brings the mouse pointer right back where it was (such as the center of the screen), yet EOS kicks in right away! My macro that goes to my Don't Fade (lower right) corner leaves the mouse pointer in the corner, and effectively shuts down EOS, but if I move the mouse, it immediately jumps back to the original position (such as in the center of the screen). Strange that the one macro returns the mouse pointer immediately, while the other one doesn't until you actually move the mouse. Even stranger that they work at all! The advantage of using Return is that when you need to use the mouse or keyboard again, the mouse pointer is right where you left it, rather than in one of your corners. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 84 Thu Mar 04, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 22:32 EST Terry, Wow, that's pretty interesting. I didn't realize that you could have the mouse return to its previous location and still have the screensaver kick in. As a note to other CodeKeys users, if you use an unshifted trigger key to trigger the Fade Now effect, you'll need to put a slight pause before the "UP" command. Otherwise, the lifting of the trigger key will prevent the kick-in. A shifted trigger key will not start the macro until all shift keys are released. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 85 Fri Mar 05, 1993 J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER] at 02:03 EST I didn't notice SWARM in the file listings, maybe aladdin lag. Anybody know the file number off-hand? - Jason Saffer Hercules, California Thursday, March 4, 1993 12:06 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 86 Fri Mar 05, 1993 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:08 EST Terry, Well, I be dipped - you're right! Just goes to show, there _are_ advantages to forgetfulness ... :) gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 87 Fri Mar 05, 1993 P.LATONA at 06:19 EST No, I do not have overscan installed. My 1040ST is a stock, unmodified, right out of the box job. No fancy stuff. No other auto programs (I even dumped the LGS program) and no desk accessories. NOTHING will make it work. The mouse problem I had cleared up when I dumped my RamDisk. (XRAMnnn) But those EOS modules either will run at 100X normal speed or crash the machine. ALL of them. Not a single EOS module will work as specified. They will run properly only when in 'test' mode (if it's available) and that's all there is to it. Everything is indeed on my boot disk. I have all the fonts and stuff in one folder now, called (how original!) WARPSTUF. The default path is set up properly because the modules WILL load. They just won't work properly. I've been tearing my hair over this for the past three days now... I did get the pic to load okay. No problem there. But the EOS modules simply will not work. I was very surprised to see this pop up, because I've always had tremendous respect for the Codeheads. I've read and re-read the Release Notes that were included in the Warp 9 package, but all to no avail. Nothing seems to fix this odd problem. But...I cannot change resolutions. If I try, Warp 9 tries to load the medium res pic no matter what I name the low-res pic. I've gotten them named properly, so I can't figure out what the heck is going on.. Could it be I have a bum disk? (Last gasp at solving this..) Can I get it replaced? There's nothing in the Warp 9 manual that says the Codeheads will replace defective software... ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 88 Fri Mar 05, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 13:52 EST Phil, You do indeed seem to have some unique problems. You mentioned that none of the modules work as specified. Does this include the default internal module? Does it blacken the screen correctly on a color monitor? As for modules running at 100X, I'd love to have a machine that could do that. You must have an 800MHz CPU in that thing! Seriously, if something is causing that kind of erraticism (is that a word?), it would have to be a mangling of the 200Hz clock. Do you have something plugged into the joystick port? the cartridge port? Your problems are truly unique. As you may have noticed, the vast majority of people are having no problems with Warp 9. This leads me to think there's something specific about your setup that's causing the problem. Since you found one of your problems by removing a RAM disk, perhaps you can find your other problems by removing something else. You said you've tried it with nothing installed, but maybe you've overlooked something. The acid test is to try it completely bare -- I mean with nothing at all interfering. This means that you'll have a machine with only a power cord, monitor cable, and mouse attached (nothing else anywhere). Then boot up from a floppy disk which does not have a virus and try Warp 9. I'm sure you'll find that Warp 9 works correctly, and your "respect for the CodeHeads" will once again be justified. You can then begin determining what the real cause of your problem is. If by some strange chance, Warp 9 still doesn't work correctly, we will of course replace your disk for you at no charge. You are correct that our manual says nothing about replacing defective software. But any reader of our support category here will surely have noted numerous offers to replace damaged disks with no questions asked, no charge, and usually not even a wait for the return of the damaged disk. I don't think anyone could expect any more than that from a software company. About your problem with the low/medium res pictures, note that each resolution uses a separate CNF file. This means you must configure Warp 9 separately in each resolution and save your options. The appropriate picture will then load for each resolution. (See page 2 of the release notes.) Please let us know if these suggestions solve your problems. Thank you. John P.S. Your registration card contained the short comment "Too slow". It sounds like you solved that problem. Is that right? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 89 Fri Mar 05, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:04 EST Charles F., I love the Fortune EOS. Most entertaining screen saver of all times. I installed it yesterday and everytime I walk into my computer room I get a laugh of the screen. Thanks ! :-) John E., I dont' know if you'll recall I had mentioned to you I was having mouse droppings problem with Warp9 installed. You said no one else has reported this. So....I embarked on the task of finding the resident program responsible for this stinky problem. Auto folder: I figured I'd remove everything except PINHEAD, DSKMNGR,and of course WARP9. Removed all accessories. (Except Wp9) I still had the problem....I took out _EVERYTHING_ except Warp9 and it's accessorie. The probem remains. If I use the jump feature I get cursor arrows at the top of the screen. This happens in Interlink, Alladin, and every program that has it's own right click features. I am of course disabling the jump feature when I use these not to interfere with regular operation. This is no big deal as I have just stopped using the block/jump features. I thought you might like to know. This seems to be related to Warp9 since I have nothing else installed and I'm very surprised no one else has had this happen. I have a 1040STf TOS 1.0 with four megs of ram. Maybe TOS 1.0 is responsible....any other TOS 1.0 owners using Warp 9 ? P.S. I am looking for TOS 1.4 six chip set. P.S.S. I LOVE WARP 9 :-) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 90 Fri Mar 05, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 23:19 EST > Could it be I have a bum disk? (Last gasp at solving this..) Can I get it >replaced? There's nothing in the Warp 9 manual that says the Codeheads will >replace defective software... > There will probably a reply from the Codeheads before this gets posted, but you won't find a more user-oriented company than CodeHead Tech. I am SURE they will do whatever it takes to resolve your problem. BTW, if your EOS modules run 100 times too fast, send ME the disk, I would LOVE to have a faster machine.... Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 91 Sat Mar 06, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 04:30 EST See Flat, Thanks for the report. I suppose we should have put a warning in the Warp 9 manual about the use of the Jump feature. It goes without saying that if a program uses the right mouse button, there will be some sort of conflict with Warp 9's use of the right mouse button -- because there is only one right mouse button. That's why we allow it to be configured separately for each program. We actually didn't think much of the mouse effects, but rather than remove a function that already existed, we left it in Warp 9 when we updated from Quick ST. And we split the wrap feature into separate Horizontal/Vertical features since vertical wrapping is basically useless (in my opinion) because it's too easy to overshoot the menu bar. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 92 Sat Mar 06, 1993 M.TROUPE [Helium] at 07:59 EST See Flat, I am running Warp 9 under TOS 1.0 and the only time I ever see anything near to what you describe is sometimes when I move the mouse on a return into ARCShell. I get a busy bee on the blank screen for DIGISpec, but have had that for every version of Warp 9. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 93 Sat Mar 06, 1993 P.LATONA at 09:00 EST To: Codeheads -------------- No, I have nothing attached to my joystick port except a joystick. No cartridges at all. Nothing unusual in my hardware setup at all, believe me. No hard drive. I do have a modem (Obviously!) and a printer, but I disconnected those to see if there was something in there that could cause the problem. No dice. Same deal. Believe me, I'm as puzzled as you are. I've not overlooked anything. I DID overlook something in my initial installation which caused the slowdown I mentioned. It seemed to 'hesitate' whenever I performed various operations. The program involved was an old desk accessory that I rarely used but liked to keep handy...I got rid of it and now Warp 9 does speed things up quite a bit. I have no problems with speed at all and I really don't need the accessory at all. As I said, I did the 'bare bones' test. Still no dice. The EOS modules will load, but will NOT work. Not one. The Pyrotechnics module only gives me a series of 4 multicolored dots at the bottom of the screen which seem to flash rapidly. VERY rapidly. Did I give you the impression I was 'coming down' on you guys? NEVER. The Codeheads have a fantastic reputation and this one problem I'm having isn't going to cause me to despair of you altogether...B^) As far as the rest of you comments go, let me tell you...I APPRECIATE anyone who will take the time and effort to help a customer out. I've come across quite a few software companies (Freeze Dried Software comes to mind right quickly) that just don't seem to care about their customers. You guys do. I hope I didn't give you a negative impression--It was NOT intended. About the screen resolutions...well, I'm having a bit of a difficulty there, too. I've tried your instructions. They don't work. Whenever I change resolution, it tries to load the previous picture in. It doesn't matter WHAT I've done as far as the CNF files go--Warp 9 wants that medium rez picture! Maybe it likes that eagle so much, it just can't help itself. Darned if I know. One of our local users made a suggestion that I completely format the disks I have Warp 9 on (NOT the originals, naturally...B^) and try a real bare bones setup. Fresh disks, fresh copies of the programs I'm using, everything. So...I'm going to do that this weekend. If all goes well, I'll let you know. If it doesn't, expect a small package from me soon... BTW...Have any of you guys thought about writing a decent QWKmail utility? I am hurting for one really badly. The ones available here are not pleasant to work with. If I can get them to work at all. To: Ron Hunter -------------- Liked your comments. As I said in the previously, I have a great deal of respect for the Codeheads. I have little use for most of their products--they just don't fit my needs--but they have an excellent reputation among users and professional programmers alike. If I gave anyone any impression that I was disputing this, I very humbly apologize. It was definitely not intended. Sometimes frustration can make a computer nut say strange things...B^) I hope they will begin writing for the Falcon with the same quality and care that the have for the ST. Since I probably will be purchasing a Falcon I want the kind of support and quality the Codeheads are known for. Enough. I've already put half of you to sleep as it is! Phil ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 94 Sat Mar 06, 1993 P.LATONA at 09:02 EST Good God. What happened to the formatting on that last post of mine??? I swear, I'm going to sell this machine...before it kills me! Phil ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 95 Sat Mar 06, 1993 M.SILVERSTE3 [SYNCHRON] at 12:04 EST I have found a conflict with W9 EOS and DCMSAV. Apparently DC's mouse utility must have a higher priority interrupt then the screensaver because I have it set to 10 seconds and when the EOS screensaver kicks in, after 10 seconds, DCMSAV kicks in and causes a portion of the original screen to bleed thru. I now use DCMOUSER which uses a hot key to hide the mouse instead but I like DCMSAV better. I thought maybe you would like to know that. I've also noticed that when running certain EOS Modules (or other graphics Pic viewers such as PICSW7, GIFVIEW) the current Warp 9 screen font goes away and has to be manually reloaded after running a non-GEM based application. This can be tested with TX2 Viewer and Maxifile text viewer. With programs like Tempus or Wordperfect, the current screen font is still there since text appears in a GEM window. I think I have also found another bug (actually, just a slight annoyance) with EOS and memory fragmentation. Apparently, when you start up WARP 9 with a pre- defined EOS module, the amount of Free memory reflects whatever memory is needed by the EOS module. but when you remove it, it doesn't release anything. If you keep loading other modules without doing a 'Remove' before loading in the next one, memory gets very fragmented (as seen by SHOWMEM). However, if you configure Warp9 to have no EOS module (Default Screensaver) then you can load different modules in which eat up memory but whenever you remove them, all memory is released properly. At any rate, I also vote for random modules loaded into memory at bootup time. In addition, out of all the modules I've collected, it seems that the Pyrotechnics 1.1 version is the only one that doesn't release its memory when Removing it or loading in another module. I must say that I really like the modular screensaver, especially the recently uploaded Mandala kaleidoscope. Thanx Codeheads! I've noticed that certain modules which display a graphic use their own color palette (i.e. Mandala, Flying toaster, shapes, etc.) I would like the ability to configure the color palette on those modules which manipulate the screen (i.e. Dissolve, Dropout, Puzzle). Normally, I prefer white text on black background (medium rez) because I'm used to it. But I would prefer the black background for the Screen saver effect because there's always a piece of black background around the edge of the screen and the effect is better. Come to think of it, howsabout cycling thru the entire color palette right before the original screen comes back?? Incidentally, How come the 8X16 high rez screen fonts work in medium rez with Fortune Cookie but not in general with Warp 9?? Be in Synch with the Synchron from Camarillo, CA!! Datestamp: Saturday, March 6, 1993 Timestamp: 8:56:58 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 96 Sat Mar 06, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 13:45 EST Jason, If you do a 'Check for New Files' using Aladdin and that particular file is not released yet, but the file that is right after that is, then it will never get into your Aladdin library listings. It is a GEnie quark and not Aladdin. Only because GEnie assigns a number to a file as soon as it is uploaded instead of assigning it when the file is released. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Friday, March 5, 1993 - 11:57:40 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 97 Sat Mar 06, 1993 AEO.3 [Lyre] at 14:13 EST Phil, I hesitate to make the suggestion, but just on the off chance. Does your joystick have an "autofire" button or something like that? I ask because I once left my joystick's autofire button on and it ended up causing me all kinds of trouble (a couple of years ago). Appearently the autofire will start as soon as the system is operating so it can do some weird things. Just an idea - might be worthless - but it's one less thing to worry about once you know that isn't the problem. Lyre 1:51 pm, March 6, 1993 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 98 Sat Mar 06, 1993 SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT] at 15:15 EST You lost your formatting because you uploaded the text. The GEnie editor wraps the text from line to line, including blank lines, UNLESS the line begins with a space. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 99 Sat Mar 06, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 15:53 EST Phil, Hmmm...curiouser and curiouser. Perhaps you've got a CNF file left over from a previous version of Warp 9 that's somehow getting loaded. Are you sure you're using the PRG, ACC, and CNF all from the save version of Warp 9? Are you sure there's no virus on the disks you're using? About GEnie's formatting, you should use a blank line between paragraphs. Otherwise, GEnie will format all of your paragraphs into one big one. Synchron, The "conflict" you found with DC Mouse Saver, is just the way it is. The problem will only exist with modules which do not use an "Alternate Screen". All of our recent modules (Puzzle, Flying Shapes, Fortune Cookie, Toasters, Night Eyes, Rain Man, Spotlight, and Filled Shapes) have this feature and you shouldn't see any bleeding from DC Mouse Saver or any of a number of programs which will also produce this effect. Basically, anything which produces graphics on the screen without using a "watched" event will draw onto the screen of a module that doesn't use "Alternate Screen". It's a module- specific problem, not a Warp 9 problem. It's also not specific to DC Mouse Saver. Your problem with the removal of the alternate screen font must be caused by some conflicting resident software. It's something that you'll have to track down on your own system as we cannot reproduce it here. As for memory fragmentation, that is a fact of life with Atari memory management. Thank you for reporting the problem with Pyrotech 1.1. It does indeed seem to fail to release its screen memory when removed. There is no bug in Warp 9 or any of our other modules in this respect (except for one of the earlier releases of Flying Shapes). Our code is always written to minimize this as much as possible. I'd rather not repeat a long dissertation on how GEMDOS uses memory, but suffice it to say that it will be handled in the most efficient manner possible. If a noncontiguous block is large enough to be used, it will be used. The fragmentation you're seeing is no worse than what happens normally without Warp 9. (To avoid "serious" memory fragmentation, don't load new modules from within programs.) Warp 9 always calls "Remove" before loading another module so there's no need to manually "Remove" before loading, and no difference in the results. Fortune Cookie does not check a font's "scalable" flag, so it will happily load any font even if it's not designed to be scaled to half-height. This means you can load any of the fonts into Fortune Cookie but you may have also noticed that the ones that are not intended to be scaled look awful in half- height. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 100 Sat Mar 06, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 22:53 EST Phil- Just a wild stab but is the graphic your trying to show in a Degas rez? I ask because I seem to remember having some trouble showing some Degas pics with either Warp 9 (or maybe NeoD.) Although the file extension was .PC?, they wouldn't show unless I changed it to .PI?. It only happened with a few pics, but if it helps, it was worth mentioning. Matt ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 101 Sun Mar 07, 1993 M.SQUIRE [Mike] at 01:13 EST Jason Saffer, SWARM.LZH is file #27731 in the RT library. ... Mike Squire ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 102 Sun Mar 07, 1993 J.TOWLER1 [John] at 02:42 EST >J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] > >Mandala doesn't use the "Alternate Screen" technique of our "newer" modules >(that's right...Mandala is old stuff ). I may update it some day to use >an alternate screen. If you use the HotWire clock, you won't have that >problem. > Aaaah, so THAT'S what I'm doing wrong . - John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 103 Sun Mar 07, 1993 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 06:44 EST John, > All of our recent modules (Puzzle, Flying Shapes, Fortune Cookie, > Toasters, Night Eyes, Rain Man, Spotlight, and Filled Shapes) ... The last 5 there are all news to me! Are they in the library? (Good heavens, my screen runneth over already!) gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 104 Sun Mar 07, 1993 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 13:30 EST > > All of our recent modules (Puzzle, Flying Shapes, Fortune Cookie, > > Toasters, Night Eyes, Rain Man, Spotlight, and Filled Shapes) ... Hmmmm Toasters, Night Eyes, Rain Man, Spotlight, and Filled Shapes are all news to me also. Off to the libraries!! ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 105 Sun Mar 07, 1993 MUSE [Tomas] at 13:34 EST Darn it, John! You've gone and mentioned "Toasters." You know very well that we cannot talk about that module. If the "After Dark" folks find out we're toast! ===Tomas=== March 07, 1993 @ 10:27:46 am PST ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 106 Sun Mar 07, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 15:27 EST You won't find any of those modules in the library, folks. They're new ones, currently under development for a low-priced package of EOS modules and neat utilities to use with Warp 9. More information on this soon... - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Sunday, March 7, 1993 10:56 am ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 107 Sun Mar 07, 1993 G.KICHOK [Gerry K] at 16:32 EST P.LATONA Take a deep breath, close eyes and count to 10. 1,2,3,4,... That's beter isn't it. Are you loading sceen savers and testing them one after another from the warp9cp.acc? I have found that if you _DON'T_ run a program after loading a new screen saver there can be display problems, I think I've read this somewhere in the sceen saver readme files or may be here in the BB's. I have WARP9CP.ACC loaded last in MultiDesk Deluxe 3.4a and when I load new Screen Savers from NeoDesk- top I have to run a program before testing the new Sreen Saver or I'll have problems or 2 bombs. You shouldn't try changing/or loading a new screen saver from anywhere but the _GEM_ desktop as stated in SOME of the screen saver readme files. As for the res change, I only have one, and my sceen files all have the PI3 extention. Gerry K. - HBO-AUG Librarian (Hamilton-Burlington-Oakville Atari User Group Librarian) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 108 Mon Mar 08, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 03:34 EST Oops...it looks like some of my beans are leaking. I guess I shouldn't have spilled them all over the place. I didn't mean to make anyone waste time looking in the library...just trying to be mysterious. More at 11. Gerry K, Yes, it's true that it's best not to load Extend-O-Save modules from within programs. But the reason for this is that you'll be fragmenting memory. And if you're staying in Neodesk, you won't have to worry about the memory fragmentation (unless you're releasing your Neodesk memory and reloading). At any rate, there's no reason that you should be crashing because of loading a module. If you are, I suspect you have something wrong with your setup. You aren't using TOS 1.4 without Poolfix, are you? That's a definite no-no and will cause unexplained crashes. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 109 Mon Mar 08, 1993 E.WISNIEWSK1 [Jeff - ST'er] at 07:35 EST Phil, Have you had your machine checked out by a technician?. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ JSW ^^^^ ^^^^ ST'er ^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Saturday, March 6, 1993 - 10:32:36 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 110 Tue Mar 09, 1993 J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER] at 01:16 EST Mike, thanks for the SWARM.LZH file number. Much appreciated....Jason ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 111 Tue Mar 09, 1993 J.RICE5 [Joe Rice] at 03:51 EST Tim, Thanks for the explanation. I'm glad I finally noticed something for which there was a simple explanation. =) joe ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 112 Tue Mar 09, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:47 EST I managed to get SWARM up and running on my STe but I still occassionally get bombs when I try to load it in. (I get the bombs whether I run from the desktop or from Neodesk.) I know its not a Codehead product, but maybe someone can explain its erratic behavior to me. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 113 Tue Mar 09, 1993 P.LATONA at 22:40 EST To: Lyre No, I don't have an autofire joystick. Thanks for your input anyway... To: J.EIDSVOOG I started off fresh with a formatted disk, fresh copies of the software I I'm trying to use Warp 9 with AND a fresh copy of Warp 9. Since I have only the one copy of Warp 9, it's all kosher as far as the PRG, ACC and CNF files are concerned. Still no luck at all. I checked for a virus, and none are (to the best of the program's ability to detect) present. I tried everything the way the book (and release notes) said--but the same problems exist.I cannot load low-rez pictures if I boot in medium rez no matter what. I saved the rez-dependent CNF files as specified. Whenever I change resolution to low, Warp 9 tries to load the medium rez pic and ignores the STLOW.TN1 file and then the machine crashes. I tried about two dozen different pictures in low rez format. None work when I change resolution. They will work FINE if I do the following: 1. Close down the medium rez picture buffer. (Turn off pictures) 2. Change resolutions. 3. Turn on pictures again and load manually. It then will display the low rez picture properly. Unfortunately, if I try to go back to medium rez with the picture buffer open, it will crash or do some odd things to my display. To Gerry: Yes, I'm loading and testing from the .ACC. I don't have any other way to do it. Do you? Since I'm running a straight (no other accessories, no other auto programs) I can't do much else to clear up the mystery. I don't change anything except from the Desktop--never within a program. I read the warnings, too... To Jeff: No, I've not had my machine checked out lately. I've run various diagnostic programs on it, everything seems to check out OK. But more often than not I do not have the knowledge to interpret the results properly. But one thing is rather odd. During a run of the included benchmark program, everything looked good except for the writing of GEM files. I run at something like 67%. Again, I don't know enough about hardware to interpret this as being good, average or bad. Do you? Phil ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 114 Wed Mar 10, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 05:35 EST Phil, From your latest descriptions, it sounds like the only problem you're having is with "changing resolutions". Is that correct? This is a far cry from your original message which stated that Warp 9 is "almost unusable". Do you change resolutions a lot? If you do, you're going to find that your chance of having problems with ACCs is pretty high if you don't have them loaded into MultiDesk. GEM does not inform accessories about resolution changes. This means that they are simply removed from memory without warning. It's impossible to predict whether this will be a problem or not. MultiDesk has special code which tries to handle resolution changes for the accessories installed in it. Have you tried loading the Warp 9 Control Panel into MultiDesk? (Or don't you have MultiDesk?) If you don't have MultiDesk, and you change resolutions quite often, you may have to resign yourself to not loading Warp 9 pictures. It would help us a lot if you could give us a little more information when reporting problems. You've reported the following problems: too slow Extend-O-Save doesn't work the mouse tries to go beyond the screen width it will not load TN2 pics NOTHING will make it work modules run at 100X normal speed EOS modules will not work...not one It's kind of hard to offer suggestions when there's no more detail than this. Are you no longer having any of these problems? Is the res change problem the only one you have left? I just did some testing with Warp 9 as the only thing installed and I was able to change resolutions back and forth twice before the system crashed. I'm using TOS 2.06. Depending on the TOS version you have, you may have different results. At any rate, if you follow these instructions, you should at least be able to switch from medium to low with separate pictures for each resolution: 1. Boot up. 2. Open the Warp 9 Control Panel. 3. Click on Screen. 4. Click on Allocate Picture Memory. 5. Click on the picture type you want to load and find the file with the file selector. 6. Click on Picture 7. Click on Options 8. Click on Save 9. Click on Yes 10. Click on Exit 11. Change resolutions to Low 12. Repeat steps 2,3,5,7-10 If you follow these steps you should be able to at least change resolutions once or twice. Or you can boot up in either resolution and Warp 9 will load the correct picture. If you find that this procedure does not work for you, please let us know which step fails and in what way it fails (what message appears, etc.). It may also help for you to tell us what version of TOS you're using. When your messages paint a clear picture of your problem we have a much better chance of solving it. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 115 Wed Mar 10, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 09:14 EST Has anyone else noticed that if an Extendo module kicks in while Calligrapher is printing the printing stops? Its happened to me several times on my Deskjet. Printing resumes when I move the mouse to the disable corner. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 116 Wed Mar 10, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 10:28 EST Because of the problems with switching res that John described, I _never_ switch res from the desktop. I switch _configs_ using a hot key in HotWire, which in turn calls Super Boot, which in turn sets up my AUTO programs and ACCs and copies over my low res DESKTOP.INF, and then automatically reboots, cold or warm. Desk Manager also does this very nicely (and was first to do it, in fact). Takes a little bit longer, but not much. And I don't have to worry about ACCs choking or crashes or anything else. I give this method two thumbs up. ;^) __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 117 Wed Mar 10, 1993 T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 18:03 EST What Terry said. -Tom McComb {5:52 pm} Wednesday, March 10, 1993 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 118 Wed Mar 10, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:35 EST Also what Terry said. Switching resolutions from the Desktop with ACC loaded is asking for trouble. If you want to change, re-boot. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 119 Thu Mar 11, 1993 L.TRAPANI [Lou][Machine] at 00:26 EST David, I did not notice that yet (re: Calligrapher stops printing with active EOS). But it is probably do to the same reason why my modem stops transfering files with some EOS. It is due to the fact that some EOS take more processor power and something has to give. -- Lou -- ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 120 Thu Mar 11, 1993 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 05:58 EST David, As Lou said, it depends on what module you're using. Flying Shapes and Mandala take up most of the processor's attention. When I print with PageStream I either use the Don't Fade corner or unload the module; if I forget, printing almost stops dead when the screen saver kicks in. (p.s. It never crashes any more, though! :) gnox ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 121 Thu Mar 11, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 11:45 EST David Fairweather, If you use an Extend-O-Save module that consumes most of the processor's time, background operations of any kind (not just printing in Calligrapher) will virtually grind to a halt. If you don't want this to happen, you should choose another module, or move the mouse to the Don't Fade corner, or disable Extend-O-Save for Calligrapher in your DAT file. You should read the Warp 9 topic. This has been discussed there quite often. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 122 Thu Mar 11, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 21:54 EST I don't suppose it might be possible for you to add a button to the next Warp 9 that disables Extendo while the computer is printing? Sometimes I just forget all about Extendo and walk away from the computer while its printing just to come back ten minutes later and find its still on the first page. I'm not faulting Codehead at all, just asking if you can make it any more foolproof for fools like me. -=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- I think my favorite Extendo module is Chaotic Symmetry. Especially in color. It's so elegant and almost spooky. One time my wife commented "I thought your computer was turned off and then this creepy DESIGN started growing on the screen!" Some of the patterns look quite organic like cosmic squid or manta rays. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 123 Fri Mar 12, 1993 G.KICHOK [Gerry K] at 00:27 EST John, Yes, I'm using Poolfix4 from the CodeHead Utilities Rel.4 on TOS 1.4, I do load and unload Neodesk though. But I have to consider my memory limit of 2.5 megs. This by the way is were I think my problem is. Let me explain in the beginning I had a 520ST on a colour TV. I then increased my memory size to 2.5 meg with Z/Ram 3D, then a month later I bought my Mono SM124 monitor. The problem I have always had has be SCREEN_SHIFT. For example: if I installed CodeRam to <500K I would have the far right of my screen appear at the far left, or worse flickering back and forth franticly. I was told it was the RAM at the speed my dealer installed was okay for colour, but a little too FAST for mono. I think its just because its a different speed from the original 500k. Sometimes with some mono games booted off a floppy, only thing I could think of right now, the screen would get totaly messed up, like the off channel TV snow type of thing. The computer would still be OK just no display, and I could use hot keys to quit. What this has to do with Warp 9. I like the puzzle screen saver the most, and if I attempt to change the speed I get Screen_Shifts when I "TEST" it, unless I've booted up with nothing but the basic TOS fixes and only the WARP 9 ACC. When I'm at NeoDesk and I load Flying Shapes or Fortune Cookies, and "TEST" it I see the screen saver, but when I resume, I get a snow storm. Well I just tried to load different screen savers at the GEM desktop with the basic TOS fixes and only the WARP 9 ACC, and, the snow came back after I changed the screen saver to Flying Shapes and did a "TEST". I tried it again with Fortune Cookie with the same results. Maybe I should be taking the deep breaths or at least get 2 megs of memory at the same speed as the first 2 megs. Gerry K. - HBO-AUG Librarian (Hamilton-Burlington-Oakville Atari User Group Librarian) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 124 Fri Mar 12, 1993 STEVE-J [FunkPopARoll] at 01:51 EST FAIRWEATHER - That's why we have the options to let certain things keep EOS from kicking in. I would think the 'GEMDOS/BIOS Text' option would keep printing from being halted by EOS. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 125 Fri Mar 12, 1993 C.OATES2 [Chris] at 05:26 EST > Darn it, John! You've gone and mentioned "Toasters." You know very well that > we cannot talk about that module. If the "After Dark" folks find out we're > toast! Too Late... I work for Berkeley Systems. :) Actually, seeing what sort of EOS modules I could get for my MegaSTE was one of the main reasons I bought Warp9... but since it doesn't work at all with graphics cards it's not currently installed... if some new ones show up, such as the ones mentioned by John, I might download them and show the folks at work... Although it would be a bad idea to have anything with a real flying toaster in it... ~Chris ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 126 Fri Mar 12, 1993 P.LATONA at 05:38 EST To: J. EIDSVOOG1 No. This problem is in addition to the others I've been experiencing. Warp 9 itself is NOT unusable. I can use it alone, without any of the featues of the ACC, with some of my programs with no trouble. IF, however, I try to use any of the features of the D/A, that's when the problems arise. I honestly thought I had explained this clearly enough before. Apparently my word skills are not sufficient to the task. I do indeed change resolutions a lot. So you think my resolution-changing problem is linked to the fact that I do not use MultiDesk? Okay, I can handle that one with no trouble. I just won't use any pictures anymore. When I explained the problems I was having, I thought I was being very clear about them. However, I will again go over them, one last time, and perhaps we can get somewhere from there. I'll address your problem points one by one in the clearest manner I know how. 1. "too slow".--I thought I had explained this. I was using WORD400 and it seemed to cause the system to hesitate everytime I called it up and tried to type in something--there was a noticeable slowdown in the window opening and closing as well. Since I rarely use it, I eliminated it from my disk and the slowdown vanished. 2. "Extend-O-Save does not work"--It doesn't. Every module I've tried has the exact same result. When the screen saver is activated, the module blanks the screen and it operates at tremendous speed--but crashes the system. The MODULE takes control of the entire system and will not relinquish it. Mouse movement, keypresses, etc, will have no affect--you cannot exit the current installed module. EOS modules (that allow it) TEST fine. They work according to the documentation. They just don't work when used as Screen Savers. I hope this is clear enough. 3. "The Mouse Tries..." this is still happening. It's no big deal and I don't worry overmuch about it. I have shut down all mouse acceleration and other "whistles" so the problem doesn't bother me. I can live without them. But the main reason I purchased Warp 9 was to have these little bells and whistles... 4. "It will not load TN2 pics". It will now. But as I said before, you cannot change resolutions. If you do, EVEN if you have a low-rez .CNF file available, it will attempt to load the CURRENT resolution's picture in. Causing the system to crash unpleasantly. I can load them manually, by shutting off the option, changing resolutions and then reactivating the picture load function manually. 5. "Modules Run At 100X Normal Speed"--That's what is looks like. Believe me, you'd have to see this to believe it. The 'fortunes' (as an example) print so rapidly, they cannot be read. The "shapes" fly around so fast that only portions of them are visible at any one time. But here's something that may help a bit: The "shapes" module, when used as a screen saver (Not in Test mode) displays ONLY single lines. It will not display polygons, triangles, etc. No matter WHAT the setting is (including the RANDOM setting) is used, only single lines are displayed. Maybe this will help? 6. "EOS Modules Will Not Work..."--NONE of them. I've tried six or seven, and none work. They all either crash the system and do nothing, or else they operate at the high speeds I mentioned previously and then lock up. The "pyrotechnic" module, for an example, will only display a line of 4 flashing dots at the bottom of the screen. Again, no way to exit the saver itself. I guess I've covered it all as clearly as I can make it. If I'm still not capable of making myself understood, I'll leave this area and you can go back to doing what you were doing before...B^) ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 127 Fri Mar 12, 1993 FAIRWEATHER [David] at 10:01 EST STEVE-J -- nope the GEMDOS/BIOS text button doesn't keep printing from being halted, I always keep all those buttons activated anyway. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 128 Fri Mar 12, 1993 STEVE-J [FunkPopARoll] at 18:17 EST Has anyone else had any problems with EOS 'freezing' the screensaver (i.e. the screensaver display freezes, but doesn't crash the computer) when moving the mouse to stop the screensaver? I've had this happen with both Mandala and Flying Shapes a few times (Mandala freezes but displays the normal screen in low resolution and w/ a messed up color palette, and Flying Shapes freezes the shapes on screen and doesn't show anything else). ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 129 Fri Mar 12, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 19:17 EST >by John, I might download them and show the folks at work... Although it >would be a bad idea to have anything with a real flying toaster in it... Maybe a flying toaster oven... Or a microwave... Grin. How about a toaster that looks like a fat fish, swimming? ------ P.LATONA, I can say that you have a quite unique machine.. If you could just isolate the 100x speed feature, and market it.... Grin. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 130 Fri Mar 12, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 22:53 EST FAIRWEATHER- You mentioned an EOS module called Chaotic Symmetry. Sounds great, where did you get it? Matt ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 131 Sat Mar 13, 1993 C.CASSADAY [Chris C.] at 02:26 EST I sent in for my Warp 9 upgrade last week on Thursday, and as is the norm, the Codeheads turn-around time was very quick. I've been entranced with Mandala all day... [:^) Thanks guys, and I hope you enjoyed the Star Trek joke that I put in there. One question right off the bat. I noticed that the W9 Control Panel allows you to select the same corners for both the Fade Now and Don't Fade corners. If you move to the that particular corner, the screen saver does not kick_in. Also when using Terry's Moving Pictures 2.0 (thanks!) some screensavers cannot find where they were loaded from when you try to save the configuration. That's not to say that Moving Pictures is causing the problem, but maybe some screensavers are looking for something other than DEFAULT.EXT. Some examples are: Dropout and Sliding Puzzle. The next one is a request: How about some color in Flying Shapes? And finally... A non Warp 9 question. QINDEX22 crashes when performing a floppy disk RPM check on my TOS 3.06 TT030. I originally thought that it was a problem with my old v 3.61 disk, but it also crashes with the new v 3.75. I assume it has something to do with the HD drive. Not a big deal really, just a curiosity. Thanks! Chris Cassaday ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 132 Sat Mar 13, 1993 J.HUGHES23 [Jack ] at 03:56 EST This may have been posted before - but - I have never had great success with FADE using the upper right corner, wherein resides a corner clock. Finally wised up and moved to the lower right. Wouldn't you know, works every time. :-) [( ) Jack ( )] ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 133 Sat Mar 13, 1993 D.ALVEAR1 [Dom Alvear] at 04:45 EST To CodeHead Tech: About that EOS/utilities disk, when, when? [FX: waving $100's around] To P.LATONA: I agree with everybody here. I am using Warp9 on a stock Mega ST4 with TOS 1.04. I've had no problems whatsoever! Where do you live? Maybe somebody reading this lives near you? Dom ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 134 Sat Mar 13, 1993 A.B.SMITH [Barry] at 06:28 EST John- Just got around to trying the new EOS modules. Very impressed. Mandela is great and so are all the others but Flying Shapes set to RANDOM is just plain fascinating. It's staying in my system. Thanks. - Barry ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 135 Sat Mar 13, 1993 M.SQUIRE [Mike] at 08:46 EST Matt, I believe that Chatotic Symmetry is part of John Dillenburg's shareware collection. This collection is located in the RT Library as a file called SAVERS12.LZH (#27557). ... Mike Squire ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 136 Sat Mar 13, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 08:53 EST David Fairweather, The reason there's no button to watch the printer in Extend-O-Save is that it would slow down text output considerably. The purpose of Warp 9 is to give you the ultimate in acceleration for your Atari. We don't want to take steps backwards. Chris, We have a Flying Toasters module in-house, but there's no way we will let it out. Berkeley would not like it at all. I wrote it to see how we could use the principle in coming up with something similar, but different enough to avoid legal hassles with Berkeley. Are you in a position to give us any input on just how far we can go in this respect? Phil Latona, This is the first time I recall hearing about your problems with WORD400 (all your card said was two words, "too slow", not 400 ). We've not had any other reports of this, to my knowledge. Your explanation of "the mouse tries to go beyond the screen" is still no more clear than before. All you've said now is that it's "still happening", that it's "no big deal" and you don't worry about it. But you've never told exactly what the mouse does that you don't like. If you're saying that when you enable HWrap and move the mouse past the right edge of the screen, it reappears on the left side, then Warp 9 is working exactly as it's supposed to. That is what the feature does. If it doesn't work that way, then this is the first report we've had of someone who couldn't get it to work. Neither has anyone reported the problem of modules operating at high speeds. This could only happen from interference with the 200Hz clock. You've said that you tried it with nothing else installed. Since your problem seems to be unique, I can only suggest that either you've got a corrupt Warp 9 disk, or you've got a hardware problem. Please let us know if you'd like us to replace your disk. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 137 Sat Mar 13, 1993 S.KALEITA [SAK] at 10:33 EST Greetings; If there is anyone who repersents CodeHead in this topic, I would just like to inform them that I have been a registered user of Quick ST since the beginning. When Warp9 was released, I had upgraded my version at the last Milwaukee Atari show a long time ago. Well I have yet to receive any update notices and I have noticed that Warp 9 is at higher version then mine (version 3.61). I know that you post your phone number in the manual and in the INFO display in the program it self, but I find it much more convenient to contact you here. Please EMAIL me any info I need to upgrade my version of Warp 9 and if for some reason my registration was lost at the Milwaukee show, please re-register me. Thanks; Steve Kaleita GEMAIL: S.KALEITA ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 138 Sat Mar 13, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 10:50 EST I'm glad to see there are a variety of tastes for what you want in an Extend-O- Save module. We've got a number of them that haven't been released and we're going to put them together with a new CP, and program called Extend-O-View which allows you to install and to demo modules right from the HotWire menu, and an accesory that allows you to use a new module technique whereby the module can make almost full use of system calls! We'll be announcing "Extend- O-Pak" in the near future. Chris C., Yes, the Warp 9 Control Panel allows you to place both "Fade" and Don't Fade" in the same corner. Most of the time, we don't allow the user to do things that don't make sense. But every once in a while when it's non-destructive, we allow it. Someone might turn it into a feature. Can you think of any reason why you'd want them both set to the same corner? I haven't tried Moving Pictures so I don't know what the problem could be. Warp 9 will use the complete path and filename that you have loaded when you "Save" your configuration (separately for each resolution). You don't have it using the name DEFAULT.EXT for two different resolutions, do you? Maybe it's trying to load a module that doesn't work in that resolution? As for Quick Index v2.2, we don't have the source code to that (and neither does Darek) so it's basically a dead program. If it works, it works. I've never had a problem with it on any machine/TOS. Jack, Thanks for that report. There's no problem with using the upper right "Fade" corner and the HotWire clock. Which clock are you using? John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 139 Sat Mar 13, 1993 N.WALKER3 at 14:02 EST Great job on Mandela - it looks great in color. When running it on my Moniterm, it only fills the top 1/3 screen though. Under config, Mandela reports it's in ST Mono, not Big Mono. I'm running the Warp 9 CP from inside MultiDesk 2.1, with 150K free space from within Multidesk, and about 2 megs free RAM (on a MegaST4). Any clues? /s ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 140 Sat Mar 13, 1993 B.CONNOLLY1 [Bud] at 15:52 EST Steve J I've seen this problem, looks like a garbled low rez version of the desktop. It got on my nerves so much that I went back to the NeoDesk screensaver. I originally used Pyrotech and it seemed to work just fine for the first month or so, then it started acting up. Tried Mandala, same problem. I don't recall anything that I added/changed at the time the problem started, and I'm just not in the mood for a game of AUTO folder roulette! Bud ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 141 Sat Mar 13, 1993 M.TETZLAFF [ Mike ] at 18:06 EST I wonder if I'm the only one with this problem? When having Aladdin do an Aotopass, if the EOS module kicks in, Aladdin eventually bombs. Sometimes, the EOS continues and sometimes it eventually bombs also. This has happened using the Flying Shapes module. If this is the way it just is, I guess I'll can go back to the default or look for RS232 activity. Is this supposed/expected to happen? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 142 Sat Mar 13, 1993 NTACTONE [Ron Hunter] at 19:28 EST Mike, Aladdin uses its own RS232 routines, and Warp 9 might not see it working. However, you should be able to keep it from blanking by checking the screen updating. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 143 Sat Mar 13, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 20:29 EST Chris C. If you're using Moving Pictures to randomize your EOS modules, you won't be able to save the settings for your default module. The reason being, the module looks for its original filename, not DEFAULT.EXT (or whatever). This will also prevent the Test button to work, since that has to save its configuration prior to display. What you want to do is manually load your non-default modules, when they still have their original names, and then save their defaults how you want them. This is not exclusive to EOS modules of course. ANY files you randomize, that save their configs to the files themselves, will have problems when you (or Moving Pictures) renames them. I meant to mention that in the docs, but obviously I forgot... __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 144 Sat Mar 13, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 21:46 EST Steve Kaleita, We generally don't send out any upgrade notices, so you needn't worry that you aren't registered. We are actually preparing a bulk mailing to be sent out very soon. You can upgrade your Warp 9 to v3.75 by sending us your original disk and $15. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 145 Sat Mar 13, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 21:48 EST Thanks mike- I'll have to take a look at them! Matt ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 146 Sun Mar 14, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 10:49 EST N.Walker, Do you have Warp 9 running before your Moniterm driver? If not, try it. John ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 147 Sun Mar 14, 1993 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 15:06 EST I updated Warp 9 at Sacramento yesterday and have cause to regret it now. Why were the on-off buttons supressed? Problem is I have AutoSwitch OverScan and I do a lot of reading of files through Maxifile. Warp9 does not permit this, but with the earlier versions it could be switched off. This was not a very elegant solution because it involved extra mouse clicks and I would often forget to switch it back on and consequently Warp9 was inoperative much of the time. But it worked. So, reasoning that the CodeHeads never do anything without good cause and that cause is usually because they have thought of a more elegant way of doing things, I thought: ah-ha! even though that data file thingy never worked with UNISPEC, it's better to do the switching with the Warp9 data file, what they call Automatic something_or_other (sorry, but formerly at this point I would have gone to Maxifile to refresh my memory with the ReadMe file, but now I can't). So I edited the data file to include MAXIFILE.ACC with both nothing after it and with A0. No dice...reading from MAXIFILE is still a mess. So straining a while, I reasoned: maybe the Automatic something-or- other only applies to .PGRs, not .ACCs... sure! that's why the data file never did a thing to keep UNISPEC from bombing out the system. So all that needs to be done is to have MAXIFILE aboard not only as an .ACC but as a .PRG in HOTWIRE so the data file will pick up on it when I want to read something...heck, it's only memory and pulling it up from HOTWIRE would beat all the clicking back and forth bewteen HOTWIRE, the Desk Drop down menu and MAXIFILE f10 the .ACC. No dice...reading from MAXIFLE.PRG is still a mess. Can you tell me where I've gone wrong? If not, can you tell me why the on-off switches were removed? Thanks and my best Stan ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 148 Sun Mar 14, 1993 AEO.3 [Lyre] at 15:32 EST John, In reference to your comment to Chris C.: > Can you think of any reason why you'd want them both set to the > same corner? The only thing that I could come up with is some kind of timed fade in / out causing a strobe effect. Admittedly, most people want a screensaver to be visually pleasing; I would seriously question whether such an effect would be. On the other hand, it might be *very* enjoyable for those who are horror / adventure movie buffs. Their are always some dark scenes in these movies... I can just see the "Alien coming at you from down the dark tunnel" EOS module. Lyre 3:06 pm, March 14, 1993 ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 149 Sun Mar 14, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 16:22 EST Stan, I have version 3.75 of Warp9.....I have on/off switches. Which version do you have? ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 150 Sun Mar 14, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 18:53 EST Stan, I believe they removed the on/off switch to replace it with separate switches for each individual function. Have you tried turning off any or all of the switches on the main screen? In particular, I would try the Screen Acceleration switch. -----8<----- See Flat, He's not talking about toggle switches in general. He's talking about a switch to actually disable Warp 9. That switch WAS removed in recent versions (3.7x?). __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 151 Sun Mar 14, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 20:26 EST Stan, The on/off switch for Warp 9 was not removed; it's now labeled 'Screen Accel.' To get around your Overscan problem, just deselect the 'Screen Accel' checkbox. This switch was relabeled because there are many more features than screen acceleration in the latest version of Warp 9; a simple on/off switch no longer made sense. As for using the automatic control features with desk accessories -- sorry, no can do. Atari, in their infinite wisdom, gave developers no way of knowing when a desk accessory is active. (And knowing when a program is running is only slightly less difficult.) - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Sunday, March 14, 1993 5:12 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 152 Sun Mar 14, 1993 L.TRAPANI [Lou][Machine] at 21:43 EST Steve Kaleita, Upgrade your Warp 9. It is really worth the $15 cost for upgrade. The E-O-S feature alone is worth the upgrade. -- Lou T.-- ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 153 Sun Mar 14, 1993 S.FARWIG [STAN] at 22:57 EST Charles and all: That sound you just heard was a thick fist encountering a fat head. Thanks Charles and all for pointing what would have been obvious if I weren't so dense. Just out of curiosity, Charles: so my guess about automatic control features and .ACCs was right (how did that happen?), but do you have any idea why the automatic control feature didn't work with MAXIFILE as a .PRG in HOTWIRE? It would be easier to run the read function this way, if the .DAT file intervened. And if I may add an aside: along with many others I was in a royal snit when the last delay in the Falcon was announced...I mean I was finally ready to start looking at other platforms as is so often suggested in GEnie messages. Then I read through the messages in other topics and I realized that a major influence in keeping with Atari is its developers...lord, I felt a burst of affection for this bunch. This realization was only strengthened by my encounter with the CodeHeads and other developers and dealers in Sacramento yesterday. After all developers and users have been through in this arena, it would feel like breaking faith to leave it. my best Stan ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 154 Mon Mar 15, 1993 CODEHEAD [Charles] at 01:11 EST Stan, There was nothing dense about your question! (The only dumb question is one that isn't asked.) Thanks so much for the kind words; they truly are appreciated. About running MaxiFile as a program with the 'MaxiFile' button in HotWire -- to do this, you cannot also have MaxiFile installed as a desk accessory. HotWire looks first for the DA, so if the DA is installed it takes precedence. I suspect that's what happened; you were calling the DA, not the program, and therefore your WARP9.DAT file settings were ignored. - Charles @ CodeHead Tech Sunday, March 14, 1993 10:03 pm ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 155 Mon Mar 15, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 02:23 EST STan, You can run MaxiFile as a PRG with the ACC installed by giving the PRG a regular slot in your HotWire menu. When you need to use the viewer, use the PRG version. Keep in mind that you won't be able to run other programs from the PRG version. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 156 Mon Mar 15, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:17 EST Stan, The on/off buttons are in my copy of Warp 9. What version number is yours? Al ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 157 Mon Mar 15, 1993 J.EIDSVOOG1 [CodeHead] at 20:18 EST Terry (and All), Actually, you can indeed run programs by double-clicking on them in MaxiFile, even if it's installed as a PRG in a slot in the HotWire menu. If this is not working for you, it's because you've removed the environment variable "HOTWIRE=". NOTE: HotWire initially comes installed with environment string #12 set to "HOTWIRE=The best thing ever!". This was put there for a purpose. You don't need the entire string -- just "HOTWIRE=". See page 9 of the release notes. ------------ Category 32, Topic 31 Message 158 Mon Mar 15, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 23:09 EST John, Sheesh, my brain must've been on stand-by when I wrote that message. I've ran literally hundreds of programs from MaxiFile installed as a PRG. I can only guess that I was thinking about double-clicking on a program after calling up MaxiFile from the DA menu or from PopIt!, neither of which will allow you to run the program. __ /erry .\\ay ------------