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Users will be credited with points for the information they provide. 211 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 1 Fri Mar 13, 1992 ISD [Nathan] at 14:56 EST TO ALL REGISTERED USERS OF CALAMUS SL USER TO USER - SL Tips and Tricks In this TOPic, SL users share tips and tricks they have learned. We will support this forum in a material way. Users will be credited with points for the information they provide. These points will be converted to monetary discounts on ISD products. Four levels of projects will earn compensation for their authors. Each has a designated point range which may, at the project administrator's discretion, be exceeded for outstanding work. Level 1 - 10 to 25 points An ASCII file describing a problem and solution OR providing additional information to clarify an existing solution or explanation. This file will follow the project guidelines described below. Level 2 - 10 to 50 points An ASCII file describing and solving (or supplying a workaround) for a problem not described in the manual. This file will follow the project guidelines described below. Level 3 - 25 to 75 points A CDK file which describes a problem and solution, or an improvement on a given explanation, or an improved workaround on an existing procedure. This file will follow the project guidelines described below. Level 4 - 25 to 100 points A Level 3 CDK project which is enhanced by the inclusion of cleanly presented graphics in the same style and quality as provided in the manual. A Level 4 project must follow the guidelines described below. BONUSES For Joint Projects The cooperative venture of two or more users will accrue a bonus of 10% for approved projects. For Tested Projects Users who submit a project that has been tested and verified by at least three other users will earn a bonus of 10% APPLICATION of POINTS The administrator will record the points earned and notify the author(s) and ISD. Each point earned will be applied as a $1.00 US discount against any ISD product to a maximum of 50% of the MSRP of the product. The list of available products and their respective prices are subject to change without notice. PROJECT GUIDELINES All project proposals can be submitted either by email to the TOPic administrator or uploaded to a private library established for this purpose. The project administrator will give approval to the project proposal based on need and applicability. Approved projects will then be eligible for project compensation. The administrator will designate the project level and compensation range based on the submitted proposal. The decision of the administrator is final. All projects submitted to the administrator will be checked for accuracy and clarity by a validation team before project points are awarded. *** NOTE: A special arrangement has been made to allow you to upload your projects into Library #43 where they will be accessed by the Project Administrator. Once they have been checked and verified, they will be released into the ISD Library #30. **** A list of suggested titles/topics will be posted for user reference. All approved and credited projects will become the property of ISD Marketing. PUBLISHING GUIDELINES Title/Synopsis Detailed Statement of Problem or Procedure Identification of module, command group and command icons Appropriate manual references Bulleted sequence of steps Use of 2 fonts in 12 pt size The preferred fonts are CG Times and CG Triumvirate GEnie address of author(s) and tester(s) SAMPLES A sample ASCII project has been uploaded to provide a model for Level 1. A Level 2 project file will be uploaded soon. A sample CDK project will be uploaded to provide a model for Level 3 and Level 4 projects. A template CDK with the required text style list and master page will be uploaded for authors to use. Note: Files have already been uploaded into our ISD Library #30. Please do a search by USER to USER TIPS Forum for an up to date list. PROJECT CONTACTS ISD [Nathan Potechin] L.ROCHA1 [Administrator] ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 2 Mon Aug 10, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 23:45 EDT Here is my dumb question... I am using Mario's .SET file. At least I think its his. He has columns set up. I can't get rid of them. I tried zeroing the set column dialog, changing and saving the default master page. I saved setup in all cases, but they never go away. Everytime I create a page, they are there! How do I get rid of them? Here's another... I am working on a double page document with the settings of 7"x8.5". My first page is a right page. My second is a right page. When I insert a third page, the contents of my second page disappears. I end up with my first page still there and two blank pages following. I am inserting the page after page 2. It goes *poof*. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 3 Tue Aug 11, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 01:24 EDT Kyle, I just loaded up the files from MARIOSET.LZH. There are no lines in my layout window. There are no columns set up on screen or in the SET MULTIPLE COLUMNS dialog. There is nothing on the master page (which is named 'STANDARD'). From the sounds of things, you have a master page containing the offending guidelines. Look at the CALAMUS.SET file and locate the name of the ".SET" file. Then double-click that file and check the lines following #MasterPage. You should find "STANDARD" and a number of Grid Parameters set at zero. When you are saving a master page, you must name it in the list, select and save it in the SAVE MASTER PAGE dialog and SAVE SYSTEM SETUP with Style Sheets selected. I admit there is some awkwardness in the way Calamus SL saves master pages. It seems you have to save a master page to disk, and then reload it to make it take effect. I am still a little puzzled how I did it, but I do have a ton of different layout styles which can be loaded and applied to any master page I want. However, when trying to create and save a new master page layout, SL always reverts back to the layout style of the default master page until I delete it and replace with one of the new layouts. I know this sounds real confusing, it is! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 4 Tue Aug 11, 1992 E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen] at 21:14 EDT My dumb questions for the hour: :^) Master pages: If I recall correctly, the manual says something to the effect that text frames should not be positioned in a master page (at least as I understood it). So, should master pages have guidelines set up, for example, and the text frames (for each page) can just be positioned with regards to those guidelines? Lou, last week I think it was, I posted a series of more dumb questions and I saw a message from you that said that you were going to write a text file to answer them and post them. Did you post it and I missed it? One other question. (I'll let you decide if it's dumb or not. Gee, maybe we should stop this idiotic thread, BTW. I'm starting to feel more stupid that I already am. :^) ) The only way to change line spacing (called 'leading' if I'm using the correct jargon, right?) is with a text ruler? Therefore, if I have alternating lines with alternating line spaces between each, for example, I must have different text rulers? Or is there a way to assign line spacing directly to a block of text without implementing another ruler? (Hmmm, now that I think about it a little more, using a text ruler really wouldn't make much difference than marking a block of text, because I'd have to do either one more than once anyway. Or is there some way I can do it with a text style??) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 5 Tue Aug 11, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 21:53 EDT Ed, I'll take a stab at the questions.. they're very good ones, not dumb at all ;-) The manual says that empty text frames positioned on the master page will not show up on layout pages. That is why you could not put page numbering on the master page... the [PG] placeholder was not considered text! BTW, this has been corrected in the update. To answer your question... yes, set up your guidelines on the master page if you wish. However, if you are going to use the same size and placement of text frames on every page, then create them on page one and use the INSERT EMPTY PAGES function with COPY LAYOUT from page 1. You should also set up piping on the first page before adding the additional pages. This way, all frames will be automatically created, positioned and piped on succeeding pages. Your second question regarding leading (or line spacing) asks about assigning a ruler with different line spacing to a text block. Yes, you can do that just like 1.09N. Set up the parameters you wish (Line Spacing, Paragraph Spacing, Justification, Absolute or Relative, etc.). Mark the text block. Click the INSERT RULER icon. You will be asked if you wish to apply the ruler by a MERGE at the cursor position or by using the BLOCK function. Choose BLOCK. In the update, the text macros are working so you can set up a series of different line spacing rulers and apply them by marking text and using the defined key bindings. Finally, I believe I did answer your questions last time. Were they in this topic or in SL (20)? You can check by doing a READ 7 AUT=L.ROCHA1. That way you will get all the answers I've been giving ;-) If you posted in 20, do READ 20 AUT=L.ROCHA1. These questions were definitely not dumb... you will no longer be allowed to post any NDQ's . ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 6 Wed Aug 12, 1992 E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen] at 03:06 EDT Thanks for the help, Lou. Much appreciated as always. I'll look for that message I missed. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 7 Wed Aug 12, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 10:13 EDT You are welcome Ed. Let me know if there are any other things that require assistancd. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 9 Thu Aug 13, 1992 ISD [Nathan] at 18:58 EDT Thanks Jim. We Calamus SL'ers appreciate the attention. For those of you unfamiliar with an archive, basically Jim has taken all of the messages from this topic, compressed them and placed them in the library for easy and fast downloading for your offline reading pleasure and enjoyment. :-) If you own Calamus and haven't stopped by our own Library 30 lately, please do so. It contains an amazing collection of Hints, tips, tutorials, fonts examples and suggestions, a veritable plethora of information. Nathan @ DMC Publishing ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 10 Thu Aug 13, 1992 L.BUDNICK [Lorne] at 22:16 EDT All right folks! I downloaded all the great tips, hints, etc., and now I can't remember which files should be eliminated due to updates to the originals. :^) Lou, might it be possible for you to submit a new file list with descriptions, but this time identify any files that may have been obsoleted or improved upon with an updated file? This sure would be helpful. Lorne.... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 11 Fri Aug 14, 1992 VORTEXT [Daniel] at 10:28 EDT Another Question... Can someone explain to me why, with the caches active for vector and rastor frames, I can't see them on the screen. When I turn the caching off, zingo, they appear, (after a redraw). Second, has anyone ever had SL jumble a line of text on them? On several occasions the program has scrambled a chunk of text, yet looking at it in the editor it is fine and upon sending it back it is okay again. This is strange. We actually had one slip by us in the current issue of Vortext, so if you care to see what I'm talking about, go and pick one up. (Shameless, shameless) Daniel ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 12 Fri Aug 14, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 14:57 EDT Lorne, that's a good idea. I will get to work on it. For others joining this topic, the 4 disk USER to USER set from ISD is a compilation of the best files here on GEnie. As Lorne mentioned, some are now obsolete because of the improvements in the update - like PG_NO_4.ARC (Page Numbering) and FONT_100.ARC (the Font Size problem). Most of the other TIPS are still applicable. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 13 Fri Aug 14, 1992 H.WOOTAN [Harry] at 22:55 EDT Daniel, I've had text "jumbled" by SL. Lou (I believe it was Lou) said that that sometimes happens when you edit the text in the frame itself (instead of via the editor -- PKSWRITE). So, I was certainly glad when I got up to 4mb so I could use PKSWRITE all the time. -- Harry ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 14 Sat Aug 15, 1992 E.KRIMEN [Ed Krimen] at 00:09 EDT What's the best way to incorporate blank lines into an area of text, such as you would find in a contract? Maybe clear the area where a line will be with a tab, and then use a line frame to draw the line? What about using leader tab with an underline character? Any other ideas? (Actually, I finished this already, using the tab idea. It was relatively easy. But I'd like to hear any other suggestions anyone may have to offer.) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 15 Sat Aug 15, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 08:58 EDT Ed, you used the method I have used... tab a space and insert a line. If the leader tab worked (still not in the update ) you could use that. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 16 Mon Aug 17, 1992 D.GORDON2 [DENNIS] at 00:19 EDT Ed, I find that if you make a macro of hard spaces (shift+space) and assign the underlined attribute, adjusting the underline weight and offset, this makes an easy way to slip underlined spaces into a text frame without having to shift your line frames around everytime there's a text change. Of course, I'm talking 1.9n, since I don't have SL...yet. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 17 Mon Aug 17, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 01:37 EDT Lou, I would like to have text on one line that is justified left, centered, and justified right. In other words, like this... Volume 5, Issue 7 News Gazette Page 2 All the text on the same line, but have "Vol..." justified left, "News..." centered, and "Page..." justified right. I can not accomplish this easily with text rulers. It seems Calamus doesn't like more than one text ruler per line. How can I accomplish what I would like? Thanx! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 18 Mon Aug 17, 1992 ISD [Nathan] at 10:52 EDT Kyle...I would use TABs and simply move them until it lined up. I realize this is a manual task but it certianly gets the job done. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 19 Tue Aug 18, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 20:27 EDT Dennis, that is a good idea! I am going to try that on SL. Thanks. Kyle, if you lock each group of words together with hard spaces (SHIFT SPACE) and use a regular space between the groups; and use a soft return with full justification, I think it would work. But I agree with Nathan that Tabs are probably easier. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 20 Wed Aug 19, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 06:39 EDT Lou, I tried the hard space soft space soft return full justafied thing yesterday when I first read Dennis's question. It did not work for me so I did not suggest it. I seem to remember it working in 1.09 however, or maybe that was Enable on DOS. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 21 Thu Aug 20, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 00:21 EDT Joe, what exactly is it you are trying to do with Justification, Maybe ill try to track this thread back to the original point. I'll be back (In my best Arnold Impression. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 22 Thu Aug 20, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 00:35 EDT Oh yeah that old trick, try this; type your line with the following format: Volume_5,_Issue_7 News_Gazette Page_2 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ... and make sure you have the text frame only deep enough for only one line to appear, this will cause the text to appear with the volume and issue onthe left side, the title in the centre and the page on the right. if you use this on the master page and use the insert page number function instead of the page number then the actual page number will be entered automatically. hope this was of assistance. (I guess this is a Mario Tip. I actually used this one years ago with 1.09N) If this doesnt help than let me know and I will upload a sample. All the best ... Mario ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 23 Thu Aug 20, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 06:38 EDT Mario, The Justification question came from someone else. They wanted: Volume One The Begining Page 1 It sounded easy to do full justification and put hard spaces between the words in the groups and a soft return at the end (forced new line due to large word. The only problem is I could not get it to full justify, it just stayed left jusified. I seem to remember this working in 1.09n. It is not a problem for me (at least yet ) Maybe it just does not work the same in SL >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 24 Thu Aug 20, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 20:45 EDT Lou set me straight today at the office, but the solution still stands. You can also do this by using a soft return a the end of the line Full justification will work exactly the same way the only diff is the fact that you have toclick on the right mouse button to effect any stylistic changes to the ruler ... a feature I have really come to love. As a side note ... Nathan just left for Germany today, that leaves me in charge, hmm, I wonder (he grins Mischievously) but seriously folks not enough time when we have so many updates to send out, so I'll see ya. Toodles. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 25 Thu Aug 20, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 23:26 EDT Ok, I need a "User to User" tip. :-) Printer Drivers........ I have a Panasonic KX-P1524 which emulates an Epson LQ-1500. However if I use the LQ driver from SL (360 x 360) it doesn't feed properly. I get extra amounts of feed between lines which cause blank spaces. Now if I go and use the LQ driver from 1.09N (180 x 180) it works fine. Maybe I've got something set wrong in my Dip switches, because if I use the Panasonic driver from 1.09N and try to do 360 x 360 the same thing happens, but if I just use 180 x 180 it's fine. The printer prints fine with every other program I have using either a Panasonic, or Epson driver so I hesitate changing my DIP switches and risking messing up everything else. I've looked at the Printer Generator, but let's just say the instructions that came with it aren't very good. They are fine if you already know what it's saying, but to a layman like myself I haven't a clue as to what to change. Help! :-) Wayne (stuck using 180 x 180 on a 360 x 360 capable printer) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 26 Fri Aug 21, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 00:08 EDT WAYNE, I will try to give your problem a looksee since I do have a 24 pin printer doing the same thing as yours. I never use it for Calamus SL since I have an 804 but I will give it a try. It should be fairly simple to reset the line spacing parameters in the Printer Driver Generator program. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 27 Fri Aug 21, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 06:34 EDT Mario, I just retried the full justafication thing and it worked this time. The only thing I did different was to run it in TT-High res vs the ST-High re I had been using. I'll have to go back and see if there really is a difference, or if I just goofed the first time. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 28 Fri Aug 21, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 23:26 EDT Cool Joe, glad to hear it worked. Wayne, I'll see if there is something we can do at our end. It could just be that the printer driver is optimised to work at 180 by 180. I'll see if i can produce another and get it uploaded to our library here. Your statement about the complexity is true the Printer Driver Gen. is designed for someone more experienced that a novice programmer which excludes me too as i haven't got the foggiest notion about how to program. but I'll give it a try anyway. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 29 Sun Aug 23, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 17:04 EDT All, I will try Mario's suggestion. Sounds okey dokey to me. Thanx! I am making a newsletter and I have a problem of getting the reference to next/previous page function to work. My article starts on page 1 and flows to page 6. I used flow frame to frame so the overflow from frame one has somewhere to go. At the bottom of the frame on page one, I type "Continued on page [reference next page indicator]." On page 6, at the top of the frame, I type, "Continued from page [reference previous page indicator]." When I do a reformat document, the statements turn out to read "Continued on page ???." and "Continued from page ???." Should I have also used the flow to next page function in addition to the flow frame to frame function? Is that true for using flow from previous page too? Or do I really need them since I manually flowed frame to frame myself? Do the reference to next/previous page indicators need to be in a header/footer frame? Can they be in regular text frames? Thanx! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 30 Sun Aug 23, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 20:35 EDT Kyle, it sounds like you are having the problem with page numbering because you did not select a style in the PAGE NUMBERING function first. The fact that you are getting Page ??? indicates that the placeholders are working properly. Your second question- yes, you can use the next/previous page indicators in regular text frames. They do not have to be in a header footer frame. BTW, all page numbering functions are working on the master page in the update. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 31 Mon Aug 24, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 02:28 EDT Kyle, Lou is correct in what he states, you first have to set a number style and then do the reformat. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 32 Tue Aug 25, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 18:20 EDT Lou, Mario, I appreciate anything you can do for me on the 360 x 360 printer problem. The driver (Epson_lq.cdt) only works at 360 x 360, so it "shouldn't" be optimized for 180 x 180. For now I'm using the EPSONLQ.CPD driver from 1.09n, but that one only goes to 360 x 180 (or vice-versa), as well as 180 x 180 (what I normally use). Hmmm you know I don't recall what happens with that driver when I try to go 360 x 180, I'll give it a try and let you know. Now if I had the printer generator compatible source code for the old 1.09n EPSONLQ.CPD driver I might be able to figure out what's going on and configure it to also allow 360 x 360. If the newer EPSON_LQ.CDT from SL allowed anything but 360 x 360 I might be able to figure it out also. Sorry to take so long to reply to your quick offers of help. Aladdin gagged on the ST RT and in the mess I lost your messages. I had to go back and get them manually. Wayne ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 34 Wed Aug 26, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 19:19 EDT Thanks Mario, I'll keep an eye out for the new driver. Any chance of also releasing the Printer Generator Source code also? By looking at the old and new code it would give me a great insight into what all the settings mean. Wayne ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 35 Wed Aug 26, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 20:59 EDT Wayne, if the source code is available then Nathen would be the best option for this kind of request. I will however ask one of our local software Gurus to check out the existing driver for validity. All the best, Mario. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 36 Sat Aug 29, 1992 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 11:04 EDT Mario, They did release the printer source code for the new LQ driver with the Printer Generator archive here. Now if I just had the printer source code for the old LQ driver from the 1.09n package to compare it to I probably could have figured out how to adjust the new one (or the old one) to do 360 x 360 properly on my printer. :-) Basically this is a plea to Nathan to release and printer sources that didn't come with the Printer Generator archive, and to also try and get all of them from DMC for us. Actually what I should do is just go buy a BJ-10E if I want 360 x 360. :-) Now if I just had the $300 for one..... Wayne ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 37 Sat Aug 29, 1992 POTECHIN [ Nathan] at 17:44 EDT I'll see what I can do obtaining printer source code. I used to have it around here someplace. ;-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 38 Sun Aug 30, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 00:28 EDT DMC, I got my upgrade and I have a few reports. A terrible thing happened with my old SL and I don't want to find out if it will happen to the new. I was working on my newsletter with automatic save on for every 15 minutes. My CDK was somewhere close to 500k. It did an automatic save and I was ready to quit. I exited SL and turned the computer off. When the Mount module came in, I was ready to printout the newsletter and see how it looked. I went to load the document only to find it was 0 bytes long! A whole weekend's worth of work gone!! The only thing I can figure is that I knew my hard drive was close to maxing out on hard drive space and SL didn't recognize that fact. When it went to save and didn't have space, instead of alerting me there was no space, it saved it 0 bytes long. I think the disk full error checking routine needs to be checked so things like this don't happen. I started over this weekend and I am back in business. I am not using automatic save. Here is a problem with my update. It's snap to frame and guideline functions do not work as well as the old version. For some reason, it snaps with a slight offset. All my offset readings are set to 0. It does not snap right on the line or another frame. And those two functions were among my most heavily used. Sometimes, when I adjust a frame, the snap functions don't even work!?!? Problem three: I have made my newsletter in magazine format with pages that are 7" by 8.5", double page. I want mount to print two pages on a legal size sheet of paper. When I try, it says my pages are too large. So I adjust them to be .1" smaller in each direction. That didn't help. What do I need to do to get mount to print two 7" wide sheets on a legal size sheet of paper on using the DJ500 driver? Thanx! P.S. Thanx for fixing the custom dpi setting/text rotation problem! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 39 Sun Aug 30, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 01:14 EDT Lou and Mario, Thanx, I will try setting a number style and reformat. [Late breaking news: It worked!!] Now if I can get those pages mounted onto legal size paper! :-) I was just curious if DMC keeps track of how many features a decked out Calamus SL package has. Just counting icons, it seems like 1,000. The #1 DTP package for Atari! [DMC, hit up David@Toad Computers to move on over to Calamus. I just received his catalog, which is very nice. I would like to see what he can accomplish using the tools of Calamus. :-)] ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 40 Sun Aug 30, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 11:49 EDT P >roblem three: I have made my newsletter in magazine format with >pages that are 7" by 8.5", double page. I want mount to print two >pages on a legal size sheet of paper. When I try, it says my pages >are too large. So I adjust them to be .1" smaller in each direction. >That didn't help. What do I need to do to get mount to print two 7" >wide sheets on a legal size sheet of paper on using the DJ500 driver? 13.4.1 Page 12 Paper size: letter, A3, A4. Sorry no legal listed. I don't think Mount works with legal. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 41 Sun Aug 30, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 12:13 EDT Kyle, I have taken a close look at the update and tried to replicate the problems. >When it went to save and didn't have space, instead of alerting me >there was no space, it saved it 0 bytes long. I think the disk full >error checking routine needs to be checked so things like this don't >happen. I just tried to save a large file on a full partition and got a DISK FULL alert from Calamus SL. If you did not get that message, I suspect that Calamus had opened a new file but had not finished saving it when you quit the program. Did Calamus return you to its desktop and did you do a regular QUIT? BTW, what happened to your BAK file? >Here is a problem with my update. It's snap to frame and guideline functions >do not work as well as the old version. For some reason, it snaps with a >slight offset. All my offset readings are set to 0. It does not snap right on >the line or another frame. And those two functions were among my most heavily >used. Sometimes, when I adjust a frame, the snap functions don't even >work!?!? Hmmm, I checked these functions and aside from the appearance on screen, all SNAP to GUIDELINE and MAGNETIC FRAMES functions are working accurately and print perfectly. In Actual View, the frames did not appear to touch the right and bottom snap lines, but when I zoomed in, everything was fine. Have you tried printing to check accuracy? >Problem three: I have made my newsletter in magazine format with pages that >are 7" by 8.5", double page. I want mount to print two pages on a legal size >sheet of paper. When I try, it says my pages are too large. So I adjust them >to be .1" smaller in each direction. > That didn't help. What do I need to do to get mount to print two 7" wide >sheets on a legal size sheet of paper on using the DJ500 driver? > The Mount module will only work with predefined page sizes. This is covered in the manual addendum and has been posted in the Calamus SL topic several times but perhaps you missed it. In your case, you could print two HALF pages (5.5 x 8.5) on LETTER size paper. Since there is no HALF-LEGAL, you could not print two 7 x 8.5 on a LEGAL sheet. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 42 Sun Aug 30, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 15:04 EDT It seems that lou anticipated all my questions and answers ... its good to know everyone is helping on here. Keep it up boys... On another note, look for my Spell check dictionary early this week. We will also be uploading a recommended reading list, I have prepared. See ya ... Mario ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 43 Sun Aug 30, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 15:41 EDT >L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 12:13 EDT > >Kyle, I have taken a close look at the update and tried to replicate the >problems. > >I just tried to save a large file on a full partition and got a DISK FULL >alert from Calamus SL. If you did not get that message, I suspect that Calamus >had opened a new file but had not finished saving it when you quit the >program. Did Calamus return you to its desktop and did you do a regular QUIT? >BTW, what happened to your BAK file? I did not save with backup. I had SL save every 15 minutes for me. It was on automatic save. When you saved with a disk full, was it you doing it manually or was SL doing it automatic? The automatic save it was failed me. I did get the QUIT dialog box. I didn't quit immediately after it saved. >Hmmm, I checked these functions and aside from the appearance on screen, all >SNAP to GUIDELINE and MAGNETIC FRAMES functions are working accurately and >print perfectly. In Actual View, the frames did not appear to touch the right >and bottom snap lines, but when I zoomed in, everything was fine. Have you >tried printing to check accuracy? Well, when I zoom so close that my face is right on the page and don't see the lines snapped together, I assume that SL is giving me a WYSIWYG result. If it prints differently than what it looks like even when my face is right on the paper, then that seems to be a new problem. My old version appeared to be snapped right on the line even at 1:1. Trust me, I use those functions to death. >in the manual addendum and has been posted in the Calamus SL topic several >times but perhaps you missed it. In your case, you could print two HALF pages >(5.5 x 8.5) on LETTER size paper. Since there is no HALF-LEGAL, you could not >print two 7 x 8.5 on a LEGAL sheet. Now that is really silly. :-( You get a lot more paper to work with in legal and the newsletter comes out looking more like a minature magazine than a pamphlet. Mount is not a very smart module, is it? I figured that you would be able to mount pages of different sizes and by using automatic orientation, it could figure what the best way to fit the pages on the paper you're using. If you didn't like what it picked, you could manually set the orientation. When it comes to printing, Mount could just multiply the width of what your printing by two, IF PAGE_WIDTH + PAGE_WIDTH > PAPER_LENGTH THEN PRINT "Sorry, your paper is not large enough." How come they only gave us one size for U.S. users? Now, if I can't find this other paper, I just lost $50. I would never make a newsletter in letter size when I can get more space using legal. ho hum... maybe something will show in the future. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 44 Sun Aug 30, 1992 H.WOOTAN [Harry] at 15:42 EDT Kyle/Lou, I had the same 0-byte thing happen once. I wasn't using auto-save, though. Mine happened when I got a "Not Enough Memory" message _DURING_ the save operation. The result was that I had only the .CDK file that was 0 bytes in length. All my work was gone. I had not set up properly (at that time) to save with backup. BTW, this was SL before the recent upgrade. -- Harry ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 45 Sun Aug 30, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 16:37 EDT Mario, your spellchecker works very well and has LOTS of entries. I can't wait to give it a really thorough workout ;-) Kyle, I used the Automatic Save to a full partition and got the correct DISK FULL alert message. BTW, it doesn't take any longer to save with a BAK file but it does take more space, obviously. Yes, there may be a problem if the SNAP does not show as true WYSIWYG. I wonder if this has something to do with the new screen rasterization feature? I will check this out. On the MOUNT module, agreed. I raised the same concerns when I first started beta-testing and writing the docs but I also posted these limitations and I believe it was covered in the mailout. While it may not do what you want for this project, I am sure you will find uses for it in future ones. And don't forget that this module *can* be upgraded to include other features and sizes. Let's hope that happens. Harry, thanks for the note. "Not Enough Memory" indicates a different problem... we'll have to keep track of this phenomena. BTW, might you have encountered this during the early days when we were just learning about System Memory in the System Parameters module? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 46 Sun Aug 30, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 16:38 EDT DMC, I have another problem. Since Mount won't do what I want, I was going to do it all manually by refeeding sheets of paper and printing page by page. My first page is a right hand page, but when I print in landscape, it prints on the left hand side of the paper. This is vice versa for the left hand pages. I have to print in landscape orientation in order for the pages to print correctly. Is there a way to get my right pages to print on the right hand side of the paper and my left hand pages to print on the left hand side of the paper, not the other way around like it is doing? If it would work, I can print page 1 (it would then be on the right side like the cover of a book is) and I could refeed the sheet and print page 16, a left hand page and the last page of the document. The whole printed paper would look like it should. Help! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 47 Sun Aug 30, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 17:24 EDT DMC, I take that back. They are all printing on the left hand size of the paper, regardless of it the left or right hand side page positioning. I am trying to avoid all the pain of having to sit there and tape together a newsletter at the copier. All I want is to print my 16 page newsletter, where each page is 7"x8.5", onto a legal size sheet with two pages per sheet. I want it all to print with page one being on the right side, so you can read like a normal magazine or book. How can I achieve this with the options I have under SL? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 48 Sun Aug 30, 1992 REALM [Joey] at 19:33 EDT I think a 0 size file will occur if the program opens a file to be written to and then doesn't close it when finished. This may happen if you turn the system off during a save or something else like a crash takes place. I'm not sure about this but when I was debugging a program I forgot to Close a file and the file had a 0 length. I would think the file is actually being written to the disk but the data containing size and location are being skipped. I would suggest saving before you quit always. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 49 Sun Aug 30, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 22:10 EDT Kyle, the very best way to do this is to paste up individual master pages in the order you want. However, if you want to do this job on your printer... enlarge your layout to legal size but keep your actual working document at half-legal. Set up left and right half guidelines; group frames and snap them to the proper position; and print one page at a time, feeding its "partner" back in to print the other side. For example, set up page one on the right half of the legal page and print. Put the paper back in. Set up page 16 on the left side and print. The other method is to group the contents of each half-page and then move it to its proper position on the legal layout. This avoids reprinting each page but also means you may have problems with page numbering and piping chains. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 50 Sun Aug 30, 1992 S.SAMUELS [ICE CREAM] at 22:12 EDT Hi Lou and all.... just started looking into the index and footnote functions of SL. Since I don't have the update as yet, perhaps these questions are all answered in the later version. Anyway, here goes. 1) The manual says (pg# 10 of the text module 5.6, lower paragraph) that SL will use a superscript number to indicate a footnote in the text. I find this NOT to be the case. A normal size number is used. Indeed, it SHOULD be a superscript number since the normal size is missleading and confusing, not to mention a pain to go and change by hand. (for any more than two footnotes that is ) 2) When doing index's, I get no indication of the page numbers in the index frames...i.e. along with each entry in the index. I did catch some mention of a similar problem from someone recently, but at least they got ??? for the number. I get nothing. I think I followed the manual's instructions. Went over it several times. HUH??? I'm trying to use these functions on a small doc. of 12 pages. Working on the TT030. Please advise. Thanks much. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 51 Sun Aug 30, 1992 S.SAMUELS [ICE CREAM] at 22:46 EDT Kyle, I would suggest the same method as Lou's second method...with a variation or two. Make a dupelicate of your original doc. (save as 'version2.cdk) to try this with. Then, go through the doc and cut all the piping chains so that whatever text is in a frame is free and clear and 'on it's own'. Same for page numbers, etc. Next, draw up a raster frame the size of one of your pages...what were they????....5 by 7.5??? Make this frame with No outline and no fill...in other words, just an empty, invisible frame. Position it so that it covers exactly one page. Copy it to the clipboard so that you can paste it in to every page. Now go page by page and select ALL and group everything on the page. Each group should be the same size, ie. your single page size. Next, create a new doc of the legal size you wish to print, with the number of blank pages you will need to hold all your original pages, counting two oringinals per new page. Cut and paste with the clipboard from your grouped frame doc. to the new doc. Save often!!! If your new legal size doc. has a master page with appropriate guide lines, you can snap the group frames into the right places. If not, (the way I do it...) just figure out and type in the x,y for each grouped frame. The only problem that might arise with this method (that I've encountered anyway) is that if you have rotated text and/or graphics frames that extend beyond the size of the blank raster frame that is holding your group. This of course would give you a larger (ie. off the page) than normal group frame. In this case, it just takes some carefull measuring, and a bit of additional math to place the group for printing. It works pretty well. I've had to do it seveal times now. Sounds like the Mount Module is not tooooo bright! Like Lou says...'perhaps' it will get an education! I don't have it in hand yet, but did buy it also. Calamus users give the best support I've ever seen....if you know what I mean. %^) ice cream oh yeah....I'm back from vacation. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 52 Mon Aug 31, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 00:11 EDT Stephen, the index entry function is NOT working. Hmmm, I just noticed this is also missing from the inactive list in the README for this update. The problem with the superscript footnote number system is that the superscripting is showing up in the footnote text. Another bug discovered. Damn! Off to ISD/DMC.... Re the MOUNT module, I have hopes that there will be more flexible parameters in an upgrade (if there is one ;-). ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 53 Mon Aug 31, 1992 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 05:53 EDT Kyle, I have used both methods Lou has suggested and I have found the past up method best for me. BTW I generally use 11x17 pages for newsletters. >> Joe Meehan << ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 54 Mon Aug 31, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 21:51 EDT Will test observations to check and see if something is being missed, otherwise will report the bug to germany. will also check for a workaround ... Mario ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 55 Mon Aug 31, 1992 H.WOOTAN [Harry] at 23:15 EDT Lou -- You're correct in your comment that I might have had the "Not Enough Memory" 0-byte problem when we (i.e., _I_) were just learning about System Memory. I think everyone else knew, but I was slow in coming along. :) Also, I was still running at 2mb at the time. Joey -- Of course, the "Not Enough Memory" appeared and "caused" me to crash. I THINK I was actually trying to do a save at the time I got the message. What a terribly sunken feeling to find that 0-byte file! -- Harry ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 56 Tue Sep 01, 1992 ISD [Mario] at 23:41 EDT Harry, the problem can be circumvented if you use the autosave feature and save with a back-up, of course this does nothing to help recover your lost document, but will help avoid similar disasters in the future. I'm glad that recreating a file takes a substantially smaller amount of time than doing it from scratch does. Good Luck ... Mario of DMC Publishing ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 57 Wed Sep 09, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 22:46 EDT Lou, Working on it... thanx! I hope a Mount upgrade is in the future to avoid these headaches. I would like to be the first to include legal size paper support in mount. Anyone second the motion? :-) [Late breaking news! I finished the newsletter! Thank goodness!] I have another question. How come when I insert a ruler in the middle of a text box and redefine the left margin, only the word wrapping adjusts to the new margin? If I move in the left margin, the first sentence of every paragraph sticks to the edge of the text box, not the left margin. I have to set a tab right next to the left margin and insert a in front of the first word after a so I don't have sentences hanging beyond my left margin. Argh! Any report on this or fix action? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 58 Thu Sep 10, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 08:07 EDT Kyle, I think you missed something on the margins and indents. In the text ruler there are TWO flags. The black one is the margin and the white one is the paragraph indent. It is the latter that you also need to move in your case. Without moving it to the right of the left margin flag, you do get a "hanging indent". BTW, I presume you already know that you must click the right mouse button to reformat the paragraph. This was not mentioned in the manual but should be in the update's README under Manual Corrections. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 59 Thu Sep 10, 1992 F.LOWE1 [FRANK LOWE] at 09:17 EDT Lou, I was playing around with your USER to USER tips today, namely DEFAULTS.CDK. Whilst I thought I understood the ramifications of PKS I could not, for the life of me, pour your text files into PKS (or the alternate editor). I was able to save the ascii text to a file on my hard drive though, it worked perfectly. What is different about your way of entering text into a frame than the way I do it? I was not even able to operate the mag glass to determine the settings of your fonts and sizes. But I could alter them, mind you. I seem to be locked out of certain operations. Hope to hear from you soon. Frank ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 60 Thu Sep 10, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 20:05 EDT Frank, I don't know what I did! Really. But I have not been able to replicate it in a couple of months now. In the early days of using SL, the text frame would "lock" and not allow any onscreen editing or export to the text editor. Perhaps it has something to do with the System Parameters (I used to fool around with that a lot). Perhaps it was the Text Style module whose awesome power I have just begun to fully realize now that I am working in color on a TT030/8. When I first experienced this text frame lock, I would create a new text frame, pipe the new frame to the old ones and sometimes everything worked fine again. Other times this did not work. I really can't tell you why but it happens no more or why it happened before. Sorry, there is no secret to share ;-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 61 Fri Sep 11, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 22:03 EDT Ice Cream, Thanx for the tip! Here's the SCOOP on what I did. 1. Changed the document to a single page document with legal size paper in landscape orientation. 2. Drew guidelines that I would using to snap grouped frames to. 3. Grouped all frames on pages that needed to be adjusted. 4. Turn on the snap to guideline. The pages that need to be adjusted fell into place. Lastly, I had to adjust my Page 2+ master page. Doing it this way also helped when it came to reformatting the document. All the page holders kept the proper pages. Oh yes, I printed all the odd number pages, re-fed them into the printer, and then printed all the even. I still have not tried using the sort Up and Down arrows in the print dialog box. I remember in the old version, it did not work properly. I need it because the DeskJet drops the product in reverse order, so I need Sl to print in reverse order so everything comes out in order. Piece of cake, right? DMC, I would like to put my two cents in about Mount. My hand is raised high in the air for a future upgrade of Mount. It is only 9k and it shows. Please... :-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 62 Sat Sep 12, 1992 POTECHIN [ Nathan] at 12:28 EDT My hand has been raised since the second I got the "finished" version. There is clearly much more that could be done in this area BUT even what it does currently can be a real benefit. Nathan @ DMC Publishing ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 63 Sat Sep 12, 1992 K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller] at 21:20 EDT Lou, I see. I was just moving one flag! Can one flag sit on top of another so it looks precise? I notice that you can not set a tab 'under the flag.' Now I know what I was doing wrong, thanx! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 64 Sun Sep 13, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 00:16 EDT Kyle, the MOST precise way to set a margin or indent flag is by going to the text editor, double-clicking the [R]uler button, and inserting the settings you wish (to 2 or 3 decimal places I think). ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 65 Sun Sep 13, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 12:50 EDT FOCOLTON.LZH will soon be released in Library 30. This file is a color list containing all the colors found in the Focoltone module. Load this color list (Replace or Merge) and you will be able to see all the Focoltone colors without having to copy them from the System Colors dialog box to the regular Set Color/Fill Pattern dialog. Additional hint: You can use the SET DOCUMENT PARAMETERS to delete unused colors when saving your work. This will save a little disk space. USER to USER.... now over 5000 downloads in 6 months. Continuing support from DMC Publishing. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 66 Fri Sep 18, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 10:08 EDT About 40 people have dowloaded the FOCOLTON.LZH. Has anyone had a problem with this color list? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 67 Sat Sep 19, 1992 C.ALLEN17 [Cliff] at 13:58 EDT Lou, I have a tendency to download every file connected with SL in hopes some day of getting the TT and color monitor. So, to answer your question, haven't had any problems but I haven't used it yet. Cliff (Ashevillite) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 68 Sat Sep 19, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 14:43 EDT Cliff, I was in the same boat until two weeks ago. Since I got my TT and color monitor, my appreciation and understanding of SL has grown immensely. The whole area of color rasterization and color separation MUST be seen in order to be understood. On a similar note, I chatted with Mario yesterday about the Calamus SL classes in Glendale. It sure sounds like the "students" learned a lot and left very satisfied. I know a couple of them are regular GEnie folks so I would like to invite them to leave their comments, in the hopes of continuing to improve this part of customer support. Regarding an earlier request for uploading of the Glendale handout, I think Nathan would likely agree but everyone should know that there are several places in the handout where a "Mario" provided key instruction/information. Nevertheless, it is my opinion that most folks would find some useful info in the package. BTW, the CDK prints to a 24 page letter size booklet that looks really neat off the Ultre Setter! Pages 1 to 4 contain "Marionotes" on layout and design. Pages 5 to 14 contain the Beginner tutorials on Basic Elements, Text Styles and Layout Tools. Page 15 and 16 contain more Marionotes on Color Systems, Color Sep and Rasterization. Pages 17-22 contain the Advanced tutorials on Text Styles and Layout Tools. In the last two pages Mario has included a good bibliography for design, dtp and color work. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 69 Sun Oct 04, 1992 L.ROCHA1 [Lou (Sysop)] at 17:00 EDT New USER to USER TIP from Stephen Samuels: 26019 TILETIP3.LZH contains a tutorial, a work file and and additional sample file. This is the third in a series of three files demonstrating the uses of the TILING frame function in Calamus SL. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 70 Sat Oct 17, 1992 P.LONG [PB] at 14:32 EDT Hi, I just got my upgrade to SL, and have been enjoying it very much. However, I would like a better printer driver. I have a Panasonic Laser Partner KX- P4450. None of the drivers on the distribution disks have any way of changing the bins from lower to upper, and for envelopes. The old 1.09N driver had all that and more. It was nice. I anyone can help I would appreciate it, Patrick ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 71 Sat Oct 17, 1992 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 19:07 EDT Patrick ... Please just load in the driver that you used with 1.09N. It works perfectly in Calamus SL. Glad to see you here. :-) Nathan @ DMC Publishing ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 72 Sun Oct 18, 1992 P.LONG [PB] at 16:33 EDT Nathan; thanks. I (not being a daring soul) was a little reluctant to try that remedy. Patrick... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 73 Sat Nov 14, 1992 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 16:32 EST A number of new Calamus related files were placed in the library this week. For your quick reference... 26505 INVSON_1.ARC X J.KUDRON 921112 87552 Desc: Invsion msg archive 6/26/92~11/5/92 26499 PKS_1.LZH X POTECHIN 921111 15104 Desc: PKS Write Archive 10/13/92~11/08/92 26482 BOOKLIST.TXT X ISD (Mario) 921109 6016 Desc: DTP & Design reference & Book list 26472 CAL_LIB1.LZH X ST.LOU 921108 110976 Desc: Catalogue of GEnie Calamus Files 26451 DASHEETS.LZH X S.SAMUELS 921107 64512 Desc: Make font sheets FAST! for SL ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 74 Wed Dec 16, 1992 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 00:54 EST Announcing two new USER to USER files in Library 30 for use with PKS Write. 26921 PKSINDEX.LZH X A.VALENT 921213 52352 Desc: Reference of all key bindings 26922 PKSMASTR.LZH X A.VALENT 921213 29440 Desc: Update macros for PKS Write These should be considered a MUST HAVE. The new macros have been updated and streamlined. Perhaps Mike Valent should post some further details. ;-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 75 Thu Dec 17, 1992 J.RENNER1 [Jim] at 00:50 EST Mike V. or Lou, I got the quotes working okay inside and outside of PKS, but the Em-Dash is still giving me a problem. I have the "Built-in Macro Keys" setting for Em- Dash as "#(superscript)3". The PKS Macro works, but in the layout area it gives me a regular hypen. Can ayone help? Jim. (Slowly learning the ways of SL macros ;^} ) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 76 Thu Dec 17, 1992 J.RENNER1 [Jim] at 01:14 EST SL/PKS Macro Update (i.e. My life with macros) I've been playing some more with the macro and discovered a few things. The Em-Dash works like a charm if the "built-in macros" setting is "#-" (not the superscripted 3) that is shown. The other thing is that the Hard spaces (e.g. Cntrl-#1) do not work in PKS (as stated) and are not listed in the built in HELP file for PKS macros ([L][HELP]). Can anyone confirm this (or deny it-- i have been wrong before), 'cause it's driving me nuts. I never really got into the macro before (other than a few common ones) but now i want them all. Jim. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 77 Thu Dec 17, 1992 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 21:12 EST Jim, I will check out your report. Perhaps the author and tester (Mike Valent and Stephen Samuels) would also try out your report. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 78 Fri Dec 18, 1992 S.SAMUELS [ORCA] at 03:31 EST Jim, best to wait for Mike's reply but in the meantime, try shift space for a hard space. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 79 Fri Dec 18, 1992 A.VALENT [Mike] at 18:02 EST Lou, let's use the PKS topic. I'm quite sure that the new bindings will elicit comment... and probably some confusion. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 80 Fri Dec 18, 1992 A.VALENT [Mike] at 20:11 EST Jim, you are correct that the Built-In Macro Keys binding for the Em-dash should be '#-'. 'hard space' is as shown on the printed template Nathan sent with the updates: [left Shift][Space Bar]. Where the template lists 'Show Space', it should read 'Fixed Space'. The preset fractional Em-spaces listed for the Layout Module do not apply in PKS. Thus the [C]#1-4 and [C]#0 have no use in PKS. Instead, PKS allows you to set your fractional Em-space to EXACTLY the width needed. 'Fixed space' - [Control][Space Bar] used in PKS will invoke a dialogue box asking you what fraction (in 1,000ths of an Em space!) you want to insert as your space. Each 'Fixed Space', no matter how large or small it may be, is shown in PKS as a grayed-out '>> <<'. 'Hard Space' works the same in PKS as it does in Layout, producing a nonadjustable full Em-space. Hard Space is [left Shift][Space Bar]. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE... do not rely on the [L][Hlp] onscreen help file. None of the 'm-code' macros appear in that list (because I couldn't figure a way to make them appear). Print out my MACRO MASTER template and rely on that while you commit these 150 or so macros to memory. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 81 Sat Dec 19, 1992 D.GORDON2 [DENNIS] at 01:32 EST Mike, Stephen: Great work on the new lists. One question though, isn't the 'hard space' equal to a 'thin' (word) space not an em as you stated? And is there a way to set up an 'en' (numeral) space as well as an em simultaneously? I've gotta update my topic list so I can check out the PKS topic... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 82 Sat Dec 19, 1992 M.SHANNON at 01:32 EST Lou, Thanks for the offer to get my "lost" messages... In the meantime I figured it out: Went to the "Mark-Reply old TOPICS" and in the TOPS I wanted in CAT16 I press and entered the date "921197"... worked like a charm. Have a Merry Xhristmes Holliday! MS ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 83 Sat Dec 19, 1992 J.RENNER1 [Jim] at 02:20 EST Mike, thanks for the confirmation. I thought for i while i was going nuts. Now i know why you have done all these macros. They are GREAT! Thanks! The Capitalization macros are very handy. :^) Also, where was the [C][SPACE]/"Fixed Space" macro mentioned. In your U2U for the PKS manual? Jim. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 84 Sat Dec 19, 1992 A.VALENT [Mike] at 19:50 EST Dennis - For all I know, the 'hard space' may actually be a Foobar Space in width. I'm learning the jargon as I go along. I haven't found anything yet in SL or PKS that specifically produces an en-space. Jim - it wasn't. I'd had [C][Spc] 'Show Space' listed in the template, but hadn't paid any attention to what it did. Your question drove me to check it out in PKS and dicover that the dialog box lists it as 'Fixed Space' and that it is user-settable from 1/1000 Em on up. Didn't have any idea that the macro worked in PKS as well as in the layout window until you asked the question. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 85 Mon Feb 22, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 17:09 EST New TIPS files in the library, courtesy of Stephen Samuels: No. File Name Type Address YYMMDD Bytes Access Lib ----- ------------------------ - ------------ ------ ------- ------ --- 27803 SPOTCOLR.LZH X S.SAMUELS 930221 436480 3 30 Desc: Spot Color Tips for SL 27804 STICKY.LZH X S.SAMUELS 930221 28416 4 30 Desc: Tab Tutorial for SL 27805 STYLE_1.LZH X S.SAMUELS 930221 59136 3 30 Desc: 1st Tutorial for Text Styles Thanks for the efforts, Stephen. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 86 Tue Feb 23, 1993 S.SAMUELS [ORCA] at 04:52 EST Yer very welcome, enjoy! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 87 Fri Mar 05, 1993 A.H.DAVIS [Al Davis] at 23:28 EST I'm not sure if this has been covered but just in case, here goes. While using the MOUNT module and creating large booklets, I have found that the original text file is enlarged to incredible amounts of saved CDK's. What I have been doing is proofing the pamphlet page by page, then saving the file when done. A text file inported into a blank booklet turns a 60k text file into a 500k document. So I did some research and found that formating information was being saved. This information on the page layout just eats up disk storage and ram. For example; A 79,764 file size becomes 205548. A 102,946 file size becomes 246,614 and, To correct this 'enlarging' of the document I pose this solution. First if you are 'flowing' the text file into the mulitiple pages of a doument, go to the first page of each flow, and open the text editor, Alt+T and enter a space charater (or whatever) and then backspace it out and then reflow it to the page. Now save the file and you should have saved a considerable amount of space. Go to each first text frame (in case of documents with multilple text flows and repeat. If you do this, you should be able to save incredible amounts of space. All the formating information can be restored by paging through the document. Hope this helps those with large files. Thanks, Al Davis ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 88 Sat Mar 06, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 01:05 EST Good tip, Al. I believe Mario and I knew it, but I am not sure if someone has posted it before. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 89 Sat Mar 13, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 15:26 EST Calamus 1.09N and Calamus S and SL users will likely be interested in these files from Steve Blackburn: No. File Name Type Address YYMMDD Bytes Access Lib ----- ------------------------ - ------------ ------ ------- ------ --- 28041 BUS_01.LZH X S.BLACKBURN 930312 104704 1 30 Desc: Brochure I use to market DTP 28040 BUS_02.LZH X S.BLACKBURN 930312 74240 1 30 Desc: Samples of DTP Marketing Materials 28039 BUS_03.LZH X S.BLACKBURN 930312 19968 1 30 Desc: User Help Files for Marketing DTP Steve has qualifed for User to User points for his submissions. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 90 Sun Mar 14, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 08:42 EST Congratulations and thanks Steve. This is very much appreciated. Nathan@DMC ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 91 Sun Mar 14, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 12:58 EST Hmmm, I see today is the first anniversary of the USER to USER program. Let me be the first to congratulate all the users who have joined discussions in this topic and uploaded so many of the USER files. As you probably know, a four disk set has been made available at DMC Publishing. I am also working on a fifth and sixth disk for the next mailout. USER to USER has been a unique, exciting and helpful program thanks to people like Stephen Samuels, Mike Valent and many others. Thank you to all the contributors and to Nathan for sponsoring this program. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 92 Sun Mar 14, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 14:49 EST And to Lou for administering it. We should all be proud. Thank you. Nathan@DMC ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 93 Tue Apr 13, 1993 D.HOHENSTEIN [PRIMETIME] at 20:34 EDT Hello! I finally figured out how to use the round table section of aladdin!!! Okay, now I get to ask all the questions that have been nagging me since I unwrapped my copy of Calamus S at the end of December!!! 1) page numbers. I downloaded the "PG_NO_4.ARC" and it told me that master frames could not hold empty text frames and that page# holders were not considered text. A message from Lou Rocha on Aug 14, 1992 (four months before I ordered Calamus S) said this problem had been fixed, but not only does page numbering not (seem to) work in my S, but I can't get ANYTHING BUT GUIDELINES to be integrated into master pages. So, my question is: HOW DO I CREATE A MASTER PAGE? 2) Spaces. I used to use spaces to create wonderful titles in 1.09N. I'd put spaces between the letters in a word of the title, and justify the text. The result would be evenly spaced letters filling the whole line. When I try this in S I get randomly spaced letters. What gives? Also, concerning this upgrade, and my own upgrade to SL from S, do I have to upgrade to SL to get my master pages to work properly? And is the upgrade price from S to SL still $125 CDN? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 94 Tue Apr 13, 1993 D.A.BRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 21:15 EDT Welcome to GEnie! And congratulations on figuring out Aladdin! ;-) I'll let the SL gurus answer your questions, though. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 95 Tue Apr 13, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 21:21 EDT Doug, welcome to the Calamus area! The page numbering and guideline functions all work properly. I just checked my copy of Calamus S to be sure. Let's try this step by step. Page Numbering o Go to the Master Page and draw a small text frame. o In PKS or in the Text Module, click the icon for Insert Current Page Number (see 5.6.1.1) o Go to the Page Module and click Select Page Number Style [5.4.1.4] then insert your starting number and page range. o Go back to the layout window and you should see the page number display on each page. For Master Pages o First go to the master page (click the icon in the top row) o Now go to the Master Page Command Group and click CREATE MASTER Page and enter a name. o Now install your guidelines and all the frames (rasters, lines, etc) you need. You may also install text frames for page numbering and other control codes. o Click LOAD/SAVE Master Page icon, select the MP you just created and then click SAVE. Now enter a FILENAME.CSS in the selector. Let us know how you do. If something doesn't work, please post a step-by-step account so we can isolate the problem. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 96 Wed Apr 14, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 00:13 EDT Doug H. Welcome to the Calamus family! Don't feel bad about taking so long to pop in here :-) It took me _months_ before I figured out there even _was_ an Aladdin. Feel free to ask away, there are plenty of lurkers around here that were in the same situation not to long ago. Heck, we ALL were! Many of these people are _really_ excellent at helping. Let me back you up a few messages and introduce ST.LOU to you. Lou Rocha is our resident (and official DMC) Calamus support person here on GEnie. If you need an answer, either Lou has it or he will find it - 7 days a week. This on top of his second...er, oops, day job as a High School principal! :-) Doug7 (heh, heh, lottsa Dougs now!) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 97 Wed Apr 14, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 07:35 EDT Welcome to GEnie. Let's see, what's left for me to answer...oh yeah, price. You are correct, it hasn't changed. ;-) And never mind what Doug7 ;-) says, I still don't use Aladdin. ;-) (By the way, this :-) is a smiling face, this one ;-) is winking.) We stress a relaxed and informative atmosphere here or we get sent to the principals office and he don't want us! ;-) Nathan @ DMC ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 98 Wed Apr 14, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 08:05 EDT Doug Walter, thanks for the intro to Doug H. However, I am only one of many Calamus supporters here. Don't forget Nathan, Mario, Rolf, Stephen, Joey, Daniel, Mike, etc. etc. Lately we have added some new faces like yourself and Bob Voorneveld, to name a couple. I am sure Doug H. is going to run up a healthy GEnie bill now that he has found us here :-) Speaking of Aladdin, I have just completed a 12 page illustrated tutorial in Calamus.CDK format. If anyone is interested, send email or post here. BTW, I am an elementary school principal. No WAY I'm going near those high schools! Nathan.... I'm not the kind of principal _you_ knew in your school days :-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 100 Thu Apr 15, 1993 J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ] at 07:47 EST Primetime, Just a guess, but spaces are not spaces. There are different kinds. Spaces between letters are not all the same size as they are in a typewriter. Could it be your spaces from 1.09 did not import as the same kind you had in 1.09? Maybe you are using a different font? Anyway the answer to your question is to increase the inter-character spacing using the feature in Calamus not by adding spaces. >> Joe M << ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 101 Thu Apr 15, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 18:42 EDT Exactly Joe. Character spacing and word spacing are user configurable in both Calamus 1.09N and Calamus SL. This is done by adjusting those settings in the respective text ruler. The effects are very flexible. When discussing actual spaces, remember that kerning is built into fonts and then added/subtracted based on the text ruler governing that text. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 102 Thu Apr 15, 1993 D.HOHENSTEIN [PRIMETIME] at 20:07 EDT Lou, Thanks. I think that's what I've been doing, but I'll try again. Doug7 (does that make me Doug 8?), Thanks for the welcome! Nathan, Thanks all the same :) I've been BBSing for three years, I just haven't been able to figure GEnie out (Waste of two degrees!). Ciao, Doug (PRIMETIME) PS-I left a post with basically the same question in the SL category. Sorry for the semi-redundancy. Okay. I did exactly as you instructed, Lou. I went to the mater page menu, clicked on "create master page", created the text frame, put in the page number, set "Select Page Number Style", saved my master page. I didn't know if it worked cuz all I had was my original page. I stuck in 9 blank pages using the new master page. Nothing was on them. I set page number again, from page 1 to 10, then reformatted from page 1 to 10. Still nothing. I've also tried creating master pages with simple lines on them, and nothing. Just to see if I understand this, let me try to explain it to you. 1) click on "create master page" in the master page menu. 2) stick all the elements I want in the master page on my present page. 3) save the master page. Right? Thanks, again, Doug 7.2 :) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 103 Thu Apr 15, 1993 D.HOHENSTEIN [PRIMETIME] at 20:22 EDT Joe, No. I used the exact same font and size. When I imported. I ended up trying to re-do the effect, to no avail. It's like SL randomly determines spaces between words in a justified line! As I entered each letter separated from the rest by a soft space, each should be treated as a separate word and they should have come out evenly spaced. I realize I could have done this with character spacing, but why go through all the trouble of guessing which spacing would give me the perfect results when Calamus should do it for me all by itself (as 1.09N did)? Lou, could you fill me in a bit more on the kerning aspect. Specifically, how do SL and 1.09N deal with kerning differently in justified lines? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 104 Thu Apr 15, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 20:45 EDT Almost Doug. I think you did not ASSIGN the new master page to your original. Let me explain it this way. When you CREATE NEW DOCUMENT, the default master page that SL loads is assigned to the first page in your new document. When you add pages to a document, you can select the master page or copy the layout from a range of pages. When you create a new master page, you have to assign it to specific pages in your document (which are still 'controlled' by the original master page). You can do this manually or using the icon for ASSIGN MASTER PAGE. AFter you have created a new master page, go to the layout window. Now click the mp icon. The current mp will be highlighted. Click one of the other mp names and it will be applied to the layout window. If you still can't get this right, please upload your CDK to Library 43. Just describe the file as TEST for DMC - Lib 43. Here's another thought. Perhaps you have inadvertently turned OFF your Master Page display? Check in the Frame Display Command Group [5.5.5.2]. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 105 Thu Apr 15, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 20:58 EDT Doug, they don't deal with kerning differently. Kerning is internal to the characters in a font. Better fonts also have special kernings for certain pairs of letters... like the new Berthold fonts. I was making the point that the spaces between each word can be different size because the word spacing for a particular text ruler or the type of justification will add/subtract to the natural size of the space character. You could also manually kern more or less space on each side of a space character. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 106 Fri Apr 16, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 00:29 EDT Doug H, Perhaps you are not getting into your master page in the first place? before you can create or modify, you need to "go" to the master page. Left-click the tiny master page icon located above the page number selector's right arrow (in the top menu bar). Easy one to miss :-) Well...I suppoooosssse that kinda sorta makes you Doug8 :-) This could get _real_ crazy though... You gotta nickname? And don't try and tell me it's "Doug", either ;-) Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 107 Sun Apr 18, 1993 G.GORMAN2 at 23:02 EDT Lou, I'd sure like a copy of your .cdk tutorial for Aladdin. I'm sure that there are lots of features that I'm missing out on. Like how in the world do you quote someone. I can't figure that one out for the life of me. And I've got the docs all printed and in a binder. Whenever I try it, I get the GEnie banner in my messages. Go figure. Glenn... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 108 Mon Apr 19, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 00:12 EDT Glenn, be sure and download Lou's file. ALAD_MAN.LZH, file # 28457 In the meantime to quote someone, here's what I do. With the original message showing, click REPLY ALT-C to save the original post to the clipboard ALT-V back into your reply (Edit it down to what you want to quote) HIGHLIGHT the quote by click-n-drag ALT-X to cut from your reply to the clipboard ALT-Q back to your cursor position. Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 109 Mon Apr 19, 1993 D.HOHENSTEIN [PRIMETIME] at 20:19 EDT Lou, I have been doing that. I assign the master page to one page, to several pages, to all pages... nothing changes. The thing is, I don't think I'm CREATING my master pages properly. Doug7, I really don't HAVE a nickname. Everyone calls me "Doug". Go figure. I use the alais "Primetime", however. It's based on a bad habit I used to have of calling BBSes during prime-time (big bucks). I was very quickly cured of this habit upon receipt of my first bill from Compu$erve. Lou, again, I tried it again. I seem to be genetically incapable of creating a master page. I load pages that I DLed from GEnie, and assigned them to pages, but I simply CANNOT figure out HOW to CREATE one of those buggers! Let me outline a typical attempt. I want to create a master page so that I can have the same swooping arrow on every page. 1. I get the settings all ready in the line module. 2. I go the page module, go to the master page sub-menu. 2.5 (I may click "create new master page" here) 3. I draw my frame with the arrow. Perfect. 3.5 (I may click "create new master page here, if I didn't before) 4. I save the new master page to disk. 5. I assign the master page to blank pages of my document. 6. I check the other pages of my document. They are blank! No arrow 7. I smash my head against the kayboard and load up Drachen. What's not working??? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 110 Mon Apr 19, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 21:27 EDT Doug, from your description, it looks like you were in the Master Page command group of the Page module BUT you were not ON the master page itself! Did you click the little master page icon in the Top Row? See [5.1.1.6] in the manual. BTW, I just noted an error in the manual. Going to the master page does not call the Page module. Your screen will display whatever command group you were last using. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 111 Sun Apr 25, 1993 G.GORMAN2 at 00:07 EDT In the meantime to quote someone, here's what I do. With the original message showing, click REPLY ALT-C to save the original post to the clipboard ALT-V back into your reply (Edit it down to what you want to quote) HIGHLIGHT the quote by click-n-drag ALT-X to cut from your reply to the clipboard ALT-Q back to your cursor position. Doug7 ---------- Thanks, gee now why couldn't I do that before. Glenn... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 112 Sun Apr 25, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 12:09 EDT Glenn, you can save a few steps this way: Use ALT-C to copy the message to the clipboard (SCRAP.TXT); then use ALT-Q to paste the whole thing as a quote; use [Shift][Delete] to erase each line you don't want. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 113 Sun Apr 25, 1993 D.HOHENSTEIN [PRIMETIME] at 13:09 EDT Lou, Ugh! (whine). I'm just totally confused. Oh, Wait!!! I think I see now! I'll try this out and get back to you. Okay. I did it! That little box up in the top next to the page numbers! That was the key! Either I'm an idiot, or the manual isn't very explicit. But I've got it working now, and that's all that matters! Thanks for all your help! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 114 Sun Apr 25, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 16:36 EDT Doug, if it helps, you are not the only person to have encountered this oversight. The manual is not perfect (by a long shot ) but in this case I can say you had the problem because the information about the Master Page icon is found in the section about the Top Row [5.1.1] in the Standard Elements chapter [5.0]. BTW, have you downloaded the USER file for master pages? Regarding the manual... during the 16 months we worked on it, we all tried to read it with a 'fresh eye' as a completely new user might. Sometimes we made the mistake of anticipating that the user had read _all_ previous related material. Such was the case in this matter. If you find other items that are not clear, PLEASE post your observations here. Whether you are right or not, it is valuable for us to know where we need to do some tidying and rewriting. For example, the Text Ruler Command Group does not properly describe the click and drag method for moving tabs and flags in a text ruler. This was a complete oversight. On the other hand the System Parameters chapter [5.11] and the Text Style Command Group have been vastly expanded in USER to USER files and that information will be incorporated if and when we do a new manual. In the upcoming newsletter I have written a column with a number of tips. I have also compiled 5 new USER disks which will be available to help you and others. This makes 9 disks in total and I highly recommend them if you are a new user. When printed, these 9 disks will fill a 3 inch 3-ring binder! In addition, many of the USER files have data files that are useful... color lists, master page layouts, dictionary, etc. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 115 Mon Apr 26, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 00:10 EDT Lou, it's hard to read with a fresh eye after 16 months, isn't it!:-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 116 Wed Apr 28, 1993 G.GORMAN2 at 02:03 EDT > >Glenn, you can save a few steps this way: Use ALT-C to copy the message to the >clipboard (SCRAP.TXT); then use ALT-Q to paste the whole thing as a quote; use >[Shift][Delete] to erase each line you don't want. > Thanks Lou that worked great. But ya know, I tried it that way before and it would work. Hmmm. These late nights can sure get to ya. I downloaded your Aladdin manual but had trouble printing it out. I loaded it into SL then turned it into a double page document. I then printed out the odd pages and everything was O.K. After flipping my paper and starting to print the even pages it went haywire. Well not haywire, but it printed page #2 on the back of page #1. It then ejected page #3 and printed page #4 on the back of page #5 and so on. I haven't had the time to mess with it anymore since the night that I downloaded it. I'm using a 4 meg 1040 STe with an Adspeed STe (Sure wish that I'd here from Jim Allen. Sent him GEnie mail too and no responce.) And my printer is an HP Deskjst 500. Glenn... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 117 Wed Apr 28, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 19:15 EDT Glenn, the Aladdin manual is a 1.09N file and should print very easily without going to SL. When you did load it into SL, did you MERGE or LOAD? Since it was a single page layout in 1.09N, I don't know why it would become a double page in SL.... Oh! You turned it into a double. Hmmm.... that should have worked. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 118 Fri Apr 30, 1993 D.HOHENSTEIN [PRIMETIME] at 02:01 EDT Lou, Hmmm, I'll have to consider getting the U2U disks along with my S to SL upgrade when I get paid, then. Is there an updated price list coming out with the new newsletter? I done went and misplaced my envelope with all my DMC mailouts. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 119 Fri Apr 30, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 08:40 EDT Doug Hohenstein, the new newsletter began mailing on Monday. You should have it momentarily. There is a description of the five new USER disks. If you want to read about the first 4, email Nathan to send a copy of the previous newsletter. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 120 Sat May 01, 1993 S.BLACKBURN [STEVE] at 15:13 EDT I d/l the Aladin CDK manual the other day and printed it. There are 20 pages in the statistics menu but only 12 pages had anything in them. The rest of the pages printed with just the page number and ALADIN QUICK TOUR frame at the bottom (pgs 13-20). Is my file missing something or was this done for a reason? Steve ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 121 Sat May 01, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 17:03 EDT Steve, I forgot to delete the unused pages . ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 122 Sat May 01, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 17:10 EDT Steve ... Lou forgot to delete the unused pages (SMACK) and he should be blushing. ;-) Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 123 Sat May 01, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 18:36 EDT I thought that Lou was reserving those pages for Aladdin 2.0 * , * \__/ Bob ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 124 Wed May 05, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 19:19 EDT Doug E X C E L L E N T J O B !!! What a teriffic piece of work. Thank you! If there is anyone out there that is using color or even thinking about it, these 2 user to user's are a must have. Bob ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 125 Thu May 06, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 01:34 EDT Thank you Bob and Nathan! (Blush) I suppose this means now I HAVE to finish the RasGen U2U now, huh? LDW Power + S/SL users: wait 'till you see the "K:tell RASTA_MATIC" - coming soon, to a terminal near you. Heh, heh, heh. Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 126 Fri May 07, 1993 VORTEXT at 22:45 EDT Doug, Wonderful tips file. It would seem a fair amount of hard work went into these files and I, for one, certainly appreciate them. Nice work. Daniel ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 127 Sat May 08, 1993 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 12:02 EDT Doug: I must add my name to the list of appreciative folks for your posting of the color conversion charts and U2U files. Very professionally done and very useful to me. THANKS! -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 128 Sun May 09, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 02:05 EDT Dan, thanks for the kudos :-) Looks like the raster generator one is going to be even bigger. I'm still in the late research/testing stages, but things are coming together nicely. I have discovered some amazing things :-) Anyone - Is it worthwhile to include a LDW spreadsheet? Does anyone here ever use LDW? What the sheet does is automatically calculate - for any DPI/LPI/LPCM/screen angle combination - the maximum number of color steps (grays or color) and lists the correct values to use for each available step (among other things). I just don't know if it is worth the inclusion. Right now the sheet alone is about 310k big! Any thoughts? Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 129 Sun May 09, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 09:25 EDT Make it available as a separate file please for those that own LDW or anything compatible. For those that are not into spreadsheets, please import the spreadsheet into your Calamus document. Thanks. Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 130 Mon May 10, 1993 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink] at 07:14 EDT Doug: I, for one, would appreciate and use the LDW spreadsheet for raster calculations. I would suggest that you post it as a separate file to allow the person doing the download to decide if it will be useful to them or not. Barring that, I'd appreciate F-Mail, but the library seems more logical to me. Thanks again for the color conversion U2Us -- WELL DONE! -- Dave @ Binary Ink ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 131 Mon May 10, 1993 A.VALENT [Mike] at 07:39 EDT Doug - yes! ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 132 Mon May 10, 1993 J.HICKEY6 at 10:54 EDT Dug; ZIP that spreadsheet and include it separately. I for one would use it. Jack ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 133 Mon May 10, 1993 M.WEILERT2 [matt] at 23:38 EDT Doug, RE: msg 128 I use LDW! I'm not a "power user" and am always willing to learn: I'm sure I could pick up stuff useful from both an SL and LDW standpoint. From a downloaders perspective, I'd suggest what Sam Stephens has done, make your upload several posts. Simple, let the description help people decide rather than dL'ing stuff they mightn't use to get what they would. Regards, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 134 Tue May 11, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 01:58 EDT Nathan, Dave, Mike, Jack, and Matt, (phew!) OK guys, thats what I'll do - seperate package with readme instructions for those who want it. I just optimized it considerably, and it now packs down to about 80k without text file. Expect the whole thing in about 2 weeks, barring any more disasters. Matt - you don't have to be a spreadsheet 'power user' to use this 'sheet. I'm certainly not - I learned as I went :-) I tried to make the interface very simple to use. But if you want to play with some of LDW's more powerful functions, there are quite a few buried in there. You will DEFINITELY learn about SL's functions! Nathan - I just uploaded a beta copy of the sheet to lib 43. I would appreciate your thoughts on this _before_ I release this :-) If nothing else - it will help lay to rest a LOT of confusion out here about _what_ RasGen does. :-) Dave - Your comments are much appreciated! Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 135 Tue May 11, 1993 J.HICKEY6 at 10:42 EDT I'm looking forward to that spreadsheet. Anything that will help one to understand RasGen better will be a blessing. I've been playing around with it, viewing my pages at printer 1:1, then print and whoops! No WYSIWYG. I'm sure it's real simple. I may even have done it before. But, this time I'll paste the instructions on my monitor. Jack ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 136 Sun May 23, 1993 M.WEILERT2 [matt] at 21:27 EDT I'm having a dickens of a time getting the same results that Orca did in his Spreadum.LZH :-(. I'm using LDW Power 1.1 and saving an .LDP to file. 1. First off, I'm not being presented with the dialog box he shows on page 4 of his tipsheet. This is apparently fouling up my ascii import since I'm getting blocks of the spreadsheet separated from each other, kinda like tiling gone awry (sp? heh, mispelling's awry too). 2. Perhaps my rulers are off, my columns aren't lining up like it seems they should. 3. I've read the sticky tabs U2U as well and so far haven't had any success. I was planning to put the results of our market surveys into a Calamus report so I'm quite motivated to establish a routine path between LDW and SL! Regards, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 137 Mon May 24, 1993 S.SAMUELS [ORCA] at 01:32 EDT matt.... on yer item 1., ...it sounds like you are not getting the dialog for the ascii import, right? Ok, look in the Modules folder for the ASCI.SET file and delete it. That's right, just toss the sucker! Then re-start SL and try it again. You'll see the dialog this time and can resave your choices to a new ASCI.SET file if you wish, or (my way) just live without one and -always- have the dialog come up. That way you can adapt the asci import to the current needs. I hope this will solve your problem, but if not write back. Orca out.....~ ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 138 Mon May 24, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 09:23 EDT Actually Stephen, you don't have to toss the ASCII.SET in order to access the ASCII dialog box with all the options. Just hold down the control key when you click on IMPORT. Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 139 Tue Jun 01, 1993 TPHOMMEL [brother Denn] at 07:32 EDT Nathan, I just printed out Doug Walter's K_256ALL file on my LJ II, and was very impressed. It got me to wondering what the printout would look like at 2400 dpi or similar resolution. Knowing you have the facilities and equipment to do such printouts, I was wondering if you might make an offer to us Users to supply sample printout of certain files at high resolution. Watcha think, huh? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 140 Tue Jun 01, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 08:05 EDT I think that if a few hundred people asked for hi-res samples it would cost me a few thousand dollars I can ill afford at the present time Dennis. Unless there is a specific reason for doing so, I doubt I could justify the cost. Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 143 Thu Jun 03, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 03:27 EDT Daniel, Brother Dennis laser printed the "K_Table" 256 gray test sheets from the "Color Conversion" U2U set, and was wondering what the gray scales would look like at high Rez om DMC's Ultre Imagesetter. Being sorta familiar with the sheets myself, I was wondering too. ;-) Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 144 Fri Jun 04, 1993 S.BLACKBURN [STEVE] at 01:37 EDT >TPHOMMEL [brother Denn] at 07:32 EDT > >Nathan...Knowing you have the facilities and equipment to do such >printouts, I was wondering if you might make an offer to us Users to >supply sample printout of certain files at high resolution. Watcha >think, huh? ** Nathan, would you consider offering a deal whereas you would print and ship us say 4-5 pages of Personal Promotional Materials, which would be anything the user could use for personal promotions. If the price could be kept to reasonable (I don't know what kind of trouble using the Lino machine entails) it would provide those of us who would like to promote ourselves with a sample of what REAL HI-REZ would look. You could put a stipulation that everything had to be delivered via Genie to keep it simple if you wish. ---- >01, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 08:05 EDT > >I think that if a few hundred people asked for hi-res samples it >would cost me a few thousand dollars I can ill afford at the present >time Dennis. Unless there is a specific reason for doing so, I doubt I >could justify the cost. ** Maybe you could try PAY-PER-VIEW? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 145 Fri Jun 04, 1993 VORTEXT at 03:09 EDT Thanks Doug for the clarification. I guess I missed that particular topic thread. Would be interesting to see them I agree. Daniel ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 146 Fri Jun 04, 1993 TPHOMMEL [brother Denn] at 07:30 EDT Nathan, I was expecting printouts for free! How can we work it that you have it 'printed' ie by a printshop, and we buy them from you. I reaaly think that you personally printing several hundred copies would put a lot of wear and tear on your equipment. Can we work something out? Can you print to film, which I buy from you , have printed, and 'sell' to others for the costs only? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 147 Fri Jun 04, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 07:56 EDT We do own and operate an Ultre Setter which can produce from 400 to 3000 dpi although we never use it above 2400 dpi, on either typesetters paper or film. I am not adverse to helping out with promotional materials, in fact, we just mailed out our service bureau prices. If someone wants to discuss something that they feel does not fit into any of the pricing offered, please contact me via email. Sincerely Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 151 Wed Jun 09, 1993 S.BLACKBURN [STEVE] at 10:42 EDT >POTECHIN [Nathan] at 07:56 EDT > >I am not adverse to helping out with promotional materials, in fact, >we just mailed out our service bureau prices. If someone wants to >discuss something that they feel does not fit into any of the pricing >offered, please contact me via email. > **I assume that means no....I guess I don't blame you, without some kind of profit incentive, it would probably be a major pain in the *ss. The hassle of processing each order would be a headache. But, maybe a one-time or minimum purchase requirement would allow us access to such fine output. We don't really have any other options. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 152 Sun Aug 08, 1993 P.HIGHET [p. highet] at 21:26 EDT Well, being new here I just can't seem to stop coming up with questions. Excuse my precocity, please! In scrolling this topic I notice mention of tutorials. Are there any tutorials I could d/l to help my daughter learn Calamus so she is not calling me every three minutes? This is driving me crazy. Again, I'm running 109.6. Also, the Aladdin manual for Calamus. Where might I find it? (for that matter, I haven't found Aladdin itself to d/l, any kind directions appreciated. This is absolutely my last message today (I think my other two Calamus related questions are in topic 2). Thanks much p.highet ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 153 Sun Aug 08, 1993 G.GORMAN2 [Glenn Gorman] at 23:55 EDT Mr. P. Highet, Call a few of the Atari related computer stores and ask for a book called: 'A Guide To Calamus Desktop Publishing'. This is a must have book for anyone running Calamus 1.09?. Also, you can find and download the latest version of Aladdin and it's docs in the Aladdin ST RT. It's at page: 1000. Hope this helps. Glenn... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 154 Mon Aug 09, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 08:53 EDT Glenn is exactly correct. :-) Thanks Glenn. The User to User tutorials are for Calamus SL, not 1.09. The Guide to Calamus Desktop Publishing is great for 1.09x. The Aladdin manual for Calamus is of no use to you until you have Aladdin. It is a navigation program to get you in and out fast and efficiently. Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 155 Mon Aug 09, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 22:49 EDT P.HIGHET, this is the file you are looking for. The Aladdin program is available on Page 1000 in the Aladdin RT. This illustrated manual is for version 1.50. Aladdin is now at 1.60 but the manual still applies. There is also a 50 page text manual with further information. >Number: 28457 Name: ALAD_MAN.LZH >Address: ST.LOU Date: 930416 >Approximate # of bytes: 117888 >Number of Accesses: 48 Library: 30 >Description: >This archive contains a Calamus 1.09N CDK and a replica system font. >The CDK prints out to a 12 page illustrated tutorial for configuring >and using Aladdin. This is a sample file for beginners - not a >definitive Aladdin manual. The complete Aladdin manual can be >downloaded from the ST Aladdin RT on Page 1000. > ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 156 Wed Aug 11, 1993 P.HIGHET [p. highet] at 02:39 EDT Again, thanks for the help and suggestions. I definitely have the Guide to Calamust Desktop Publishing. My problem is I can't train my family to use it when they know they can go the old-fashioned route: HOLLER FOR HELP! I was hoping someone had put together a PD tutorial or something, as I'm not ready to do the major upgrade. I posted a few questions in topic 2, now I'm going to run over for the Aladdin program! Thanks guys... Sincerely, Not Mr. P.highet ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 157 Sun Aug 22, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:24 EDT DMC, By golly, I was printing out the U2U files from the last set of disks that came with an upgrade. To my dismay, there are 2 fonts required, ARROW.CFN & STYLDUM.CFN are the names I believe, used in 2 of them that are not included on the disks. I did a search of the lib files and could not find them. At least I think I entered the search keywords correctly. The great and wonderful Aladdin manual is of no value here! Are the fonts in the lib, and does anyone know the file #'s? I'm going to try another search on this pass. This is easier than reading all the files listed on the U2U disk 9. :-) Ken S. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 158 Sun Aug 22, 1993 C.STEWARD1 at 22:44 EDT These "missing" fonts can be a great annoyance as I, a relatively new arrival in Calamus SL land, know. As I tried to print out my User-to- User help files, I found that I didn't even have the Trium set of fonts which are usually used. So I used this and that (usually something from the font collection in the Calamus Font Editor set. But as for dingbats ... well you get used to U-2-Us with odd holes and frames which need pushing around before you get a passable copy. I understand the need to protect and support professional font designers (I've worked with some in my pre-computer days and am filled with respect for their skill and artfullness). But that still doesn't explain the User to User files and the fonts which clearly their authors assume you all have. Trouble is when they bought their SL some time ago, these fonts (true?) were included in the price of admission. More frustrating yet, I received my SL with these Trim, etc fonts on "my" discs -- but they were not coded to match my serial number. Now, since I'm not one of those swashbucklers who take fonts and wash them clean of these serial numbers (or whatever it it they do -- I don't want to know and I don't want to play those games), I sit hhere, as I suppose you now do, looking at these User-2-User files I bought and then to those SL discs I bought with those files of fonts which I'm told I didn't buy. Somehow this could be better. But I love Calamus and I'll be ordering a bunch of "real" professional fonts this month ... but not that Trim set, et al, those I'll just look at on my original discs .. and remember them when I read my User-2-User printouts which are kinda overlapping a bit and kinda mishmashed in fonts and speckled with odd ink dropings where dingbats were intended to reside. I have called DMC about this and have been told either a) you were too late to get those fonts included or b) we'll send you some of them. Based on what I've seen in my post box, I think a) is the winner. Tough. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 159 Sun Aug 22, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 22:44 EDT Hi Ken. The ARROW.CFN was created by Mike Valent for use with the PKS related files. STYLDUM.CFN was a dummy font create by Stephen Samuels. Both fonts should be on those disks in the folders with the respective tips. Change your font path to those folders. Just in case, I will try and dig out those two fonts and email them to you. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 160 Sun Aug 22, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 23:05 EDT Cliff, CGTimes and Triumvirate were chosen as the standard for the USER files because all SL owners had them. I believe they were part of the first upgrade package. But don't despair if you missed out... the only two fonts you need are CGTM4RE.CFN and TRIU7BC.CFN. If you have other USER files that are missing any custom made fonts, please let me know and I will email them to you. However, I think they should have been on your USER disk. If not, please let me know that too and I will rectify the problem. Ken, I found the two fonts... they are ARROWKEY.CFN and STYLDUM1.CFN. I also included STYLDUM2.CFN, STYLDUM3.CFN and the CSL file. Cliff, I sent you a copy as well. These should have been in the folders. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 161 Mon Aug 23, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:24 EDT Lou, Red face time. Sorry. They're there, should have paid more attention to the directory line in the file selector. I'm so used to seeing *.* there for file selection that I rarely remember to check this when I can't find something. Golly, you get so used to things being easy, small things can sure get in the way. Ken S. PS, email to you in error. Sent it before digging out the disks to recheck for this post. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 162 Mon Aug 23, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 23:44 EDT No problem, Ken. So I can assume that all those missing files WERE on the USER disks? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 163 Tue Aug 24, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:48 EDT Lou, you may assume to your little heart's content, in this case, and be correct! They were on the user disk. Ken S. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 164 Wed Aug 25, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 00:19 EDT HELP! I'm not sure if this is the place to be posting this... but the name of the topic sounds right! I'm trying to get high quality hardcopy color laser output of some old low rez Degas Elite graphics. To date, I have had to convert them to .TIF format for output through Quark ala Mac. (Calamus SL ordered and on the way, but not here yet.) The output has been tiny, (2.5x4 in) and all but the primary colors are either pixelated or seem to be made up of wavy patterns of two colors which if mixed, might be close to the original, desired color. I had asked over in the DTV topic, hoping perhaps getting the graphics to videotape might be of some help. It was suggested I might need to get them to film. A positive, which I could then enlarge at will. Ultimately I would like to see some of the files at poster size, or printed to silk/cloth. Any help is welcome. Thanks, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 165 Wed Aug 25, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 02:02 EDT Matt, input = output. If you start with a low res graphic, you are going to have a low res graphic in the output.... especially if you are enlarging them. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 166 Thu Aug 26, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 00:54 EDT Lou (ST.LOU), Thanks, that's what I thought the outcome would be. My thought was to maybe scan it into Photoshop on a friends Mac. (4-600 dpi color) Then enlarge and 'redraw' to clean up jaggies and re-color. Perhaps using Pantone colors. Possible? Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 167 Thu Aug 26, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 02:31 EDT Matt, there are tricks you can do when scanning that will increase optimization. If you are going to print a final at 300 dpi and scan at, say 1200, your image will be 400% larger when optimized for printing. You can use Pantone colors with the Brush module to colorizing. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 168 Thu Aug 26, 1993 SANDY.W [sysop] at 14:16 EDT You might be better off looking for graphics that are in a higher resolution format to start with. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 169 Thu Aug 26, 1993 ISD [Mario] at 21:35 EDT I think that Vectorising the graphic will yield better results than relying on a bitmap. This should be considered for details that may be lost in a bitmap and it would allow better rendering at any resolution. Mario @ DMC Publishing ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 170 Thu Aug 26, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 23:22 EDT ******************************************************************* * Birth Announcement * ******************************************************************* Fellow RasGenians, Calamites, U2Uies, and otherwise Lurkers! I'm proud to announce the arrival of the long-awaited Raster Generator U2U Tutorial into Library 30. This "little" package covers _in detail_ most of the functions, uses, shortcuts, and mathematics involved with Raster Generator Module (RasGen) of Calamus SL/S. This little bundle of joy weighs in at 1.7 megs (decompressed), and is spread over 4 archives: RG_U2U_1.ZIP #29815 * RG_U2U_2.ZIP #29814 RASM_LDW.LZH #29812 RG_U2U_3.ZIP #29813 The first three archives contain the main tutorial and auxiliary files. (All three RG_U2U_x files are necessary to use the tutorial): RASGEN_1.CDK\ The main 71 page tutorial with sections on RASGEN_2.CDK - halftone theory, using gradients, RasGen theory and RASGEN_3.CDK/ math, Calamus 1.09n, hands-on tutorials, a grand tour, etc. Includes 34 pages of related tables. K_TABLE2.CDK - Updated printer/screen halftone & grayscale test sheets with all 256 possible gray shades listed & shown. For testing RasGen settings (2 pages). K_ALL256.CFT - All 256 K (black) color-list file. ULTRE .CDT - DMC's Ultre imagesetter job "dummy" printer driver. 22 resolutions, ranging from 400 to 3000 dpi! RG_STORY.TXT - The newly discovered "Ancient History of Essell" from the North Sea scrolls (tongue-in-cheek). IMPORTNT.CDK - Last minute information/test for the 7/93 release of RasGen. Please print and read this CDK before attempting the main tutorial! (1 page) READ_1ST.TXT - Accompanying text file for this U2U package. * Calamus SL/S users who also own the LDW POWER 2.0 spreadsheet program might be interested in the OPTIONAL 4th archive, RASM_LDW.LZH. This package contains "K:tell RASTaMATIC" RasGen simulator spreadsheet. Although not necessary to understand the main U2U, this file is handy for visualizing and predicting the results of various RasGen settings. In fact, this 'sheet was initially developed to test theory and math during the research phase, and later was used to create the actual tables used in the tutorial. No text file or instructions are included as the 'sheet is pretty much self-explanatory. Again, you must have LDW POWER and the main U2U to enjoy this little ditty :-) Obtaining the entire package makes for a fairly large download (343k), but I think you'll find it _more_ than worth the trouble :-) Toodles! Doug7 Interface Services ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 171 Fri Aug 27, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 00:03 EDT Ladies and gentlemen, the Raster Generator files created by Doug Walter are by far the most technical and well written of any that have been approved for release. Doug's work in this area is of publishable quality and is worth the look even if you don't have immediate need for high resolution printing. His tour of raster fundamentals is a natural extension to the Fundamentals chapter of your Calamus SL manual. I am sure you will all enjoy his work and learn a lot in the process! Lou Rocha, Project Administrator Dennis Gordon, I have downloaded your CONTRACT.ARC file (29808) and would like to congratulate you on a fine piece of work by awarding 25 USER points. Do you accept? :-) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 172 Fri Aug 27, 1993 D.GORDON2 [DENNIS] at 00:57 EDT Lou: you mean like I could like apply that to my SL upgrade? Well then...you bet! Thanks.... ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 173 Fri Aug 27, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 06:54 EDT Thanks Lou, I was hoping something like that would work. I don't mind putting the time and effort in, it's the saving the cash for the modules that does me in! Later, Matt ---------- Sandy W. - I'd love to use a higher rez graphic. The problem is that these are originals (by me) that were done in a low rez paint prg. Thanks, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 174 Fri Aug 27, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 08:05 EDT The User to User Tips prepared by Doug are a MUST! They are really informative and accurate. I recommend them highly to anyone that uses Calamus SL! Dennis ... That's a big YES! You can apply your User to User points to any non- hardware DMC products. Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 175 Fri Aug 27, 1993 SANDY.W [sysop] at 13:46 EDT Doug - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU !! Matt - Have you considered importing those graphics into a higher resolution program for fine tuning? (You probably have, it was just a thought.) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 176 Fri Aug 27, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 20:10 EDT Mario- Vectorizing sounds good, from what little I know of it. If you'll pardon the ignorance, will vectorizing change the color palette in any way? Do I need to vectorize in grey scale, then re-color? It wouldn't be a problem, just need to know what to do and how! Thanks, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 177 Fri Aug 27, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 20:53 EDT Sandy, you liked it too? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 178 Fri Aug 27, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 23:40 EDT Sandy- Re: importing into a hegher rez prg for fine tuning... Wish I could. My set up at home is limited to ST high, and I'm not too sure what to use. If I can get it into Illustrator or Photoshop on a friends Mac, I'd have all the tools I need. (I think) Have not had a chance to try this though. Thanks, all ideas welcome! Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 179 Sat Aug 28, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 00:27 EDT Sandy, Gee, YOU'RE WELCOME! :-) (Now that's the kind of feedback I just LOVE!) Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 180 Sat Aug 28, 1993 C.ALLEN17 [Cliff] at 23:36 EDT Doug, down loaded the ras gen tips (tutorial). If I could just tape the print out to my body and absorb the info through osmosis (sp?). Just a short note to say "Thank you" for the hard work you did in an attempt to edumicate this individual. Now to brew another pot of coffee and start reading againing. Cliff (Ashevillite) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 181 Mon Aug 30, 1993 TPHOMMEL [brother Denn] at 07:30 EDT Doug, super package!! Thank you for putting a tonne of work into it and then sharing it with the rest of us. Dennis ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 182 Mon Aug 30, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 23:52 EDT Brother Denn, Thank you for downloading the U2U. Yes, it _was_ a lot of work, but personally worth it. The moment I finally "cracked" RasGen's logic was one of the most gratifying experiences I've ever had with computers. :-) Cliff, Thanks! Bet you can't stay awake while reading it :-) I tried taping the SL master disks to my forehead when I first started. No luck ;-) Just as I suspected, the only thing I pick up through osmosis is _confusion_ :-) Doug7 ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 185 Tue Aug 31, 1993 SANDY.W [sysop] at 19:51 EDT Matt - I see what you mean. There are quite a few graphic conversion programs in the Software Library. One of them should be able to convert your DEGAS pictures into some format the Mac recognizes. All graphic utilities are in Library 28. Just use option 8 to select Library 28, and then use option 3 to select on whatever keyword you think would be appropriate. I know CONVERT will give you quite a list. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 186 Tue Aug 31, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 22:19 EDT Thanks Sandy, The conversion is easy... it's the size thing that's driving me nuts! Because it was done at 300x200, it prints out (as TIFF file) at 2.5x4 inches only. I have a couple of ideas, let you know what happens. Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 187 Tue Aug 31, 1993 SANDY.W [sysop] at 23:01 EDT Matt - There is really not much you can do other than just enlarging the thing, then spend a lot of time smoothing the lines and cleaning! I've done that with some bit mapped graphics I needed larger but still usable. Very time consuming, but slightly easier than creating it from scratch, depending on your drawing ability. Converting to a raster graphic is also a slim possibility, depending on the amount/type of detail, but that is not simple either. Good luck. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 188 Wed Sep 01, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 09:15 EDT Matt ... If you want, email us a sample of one of your Degas drawings, tell us what you want and we'll see if we can enlarge it for you with something or other we might have lying around here. Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 189 Wed Sep 01, 1993 S.KALEITA [SAK] at 20:17 EDT Matt.. printing the designs on cloth? Just how large are yor trying to go? There are some screen printers tricks that I use to help hide the jaggies when I increase the size of a low rez image. And if that is not acceptable, I just re-art the design by hand from photo blow-ups. Let me know if you need any assistance. Steve Kaleita SAK ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 192 Thu Sep 02, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 01:41 EDT Thanks again, Sandy - As soon as I get some time on my friends Mac, I'll try to do a bit of fiddling around. Matt ------- Nathan, I may take you up on the offer. I'll try a few things on this end first, though. If I do Email one or two... just Email to your address, or is there another I should send to? Thanks again, Matt BTW, should have Calamus SL installed sometime this week! ---------- Steve (SAK) I really haven't gotten as far as to imagine the size of the cloth. Some of the graphics will do very nicely as scarves. (2.5 or 3 ft.sq) Perhaps larger. There are two I'd like to blow up to maybe 5 or 6 feet for a wall hanging. (At that size, I will no doubt have no choice but to spend mucho time fixing, or simply re-draw.) I figure I'll see _if_ I can get them to a workable size, then deal with the details. I have an old friend whose father owns a textile mill. If I'm very, very lucky I might be able to get them to use one or two and actually weave a fabric. (doubtful, but it _could_ happen!) I will keep your offer in mind though. I guess you do this type of thing often? Thanks a bunch, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 193 Thu Sep 02, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 03:57 EDT Matt, I think a Degas file is under-rated for a 6 foot explosion.:-) What you might try is finding a way to Auto Trace the Image into a Vector file format. That will expand nicely with very few jaggies. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 194 Thu Sep 02, 1993 C.ALLEN17 [Cliff] at 09:30 EDT Doug, You were right. I couldn't stay awake and the info wasn't absorbed through my; were it ended up when I fell asleep. Cliff (Ashevillite) ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 195 Thu Sep 02, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 11:51 EDT This email address is fine. Steve Kaleita does this professionally. And the autotrace route was one I had in mind depending on the graphic. ;-) Nathan ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 196 Thu Sep 02, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 20:36 EDT REALM (Joey), Yeah, I thought I might be stretching it a bit (no pun intended!) with a low rez Degas pic. The main graphic I'm working on now is mostly a few solid color fields, (one is approx. 2/3 the picture) defined by some abstract black lines. I would think the autotrace-> vector route do-able. OK, so which programs can I do that with ? In color? Today, I had a bit of a breakthrough. Scanned the 2.5x4 inch color laser hardcopy into PhotoShop. I will be able to redraw/recolor it there, but the file size!!! Lucky we had an extra cart near by. File size at that size was 3.69 megs. Greater than 24 megs when I enlarged it to 5x7. WOW. All from a 32K Degas file. I started to recolor using Pantone colors today. I guess I'll see if I get a good hardcopy _that_ way, (and small), then worry about enlarging it. For some reason, Photoshop wouldn't read the TIF file from my Mac disk. I could get it recognized in Quark, but not PhotoS. That's why we scanned it in. I'll try to get more time on the Mac tomorrow. ----------- Nathan, Yes, he rather sounded like he knew where of he spoke! If you see above, I did get some time with it in Photoshop today. I guess I'll first see how clean I can get the output, then worry about size. (If I can clean it up once...) Thanks again, everyone, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 197 Fri Sep 03, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 05:35 EDT MATT, I think Nathan mentioned something about color auto tracing in the near future? Could be wrong but I believe it's an Upgrade for Speedline. You could use Speedline by saving each color seperate and tracing each one individually. Save all 16 frames as a Postscript file. A Vector file will stay it's initial size no matter what you do to it. Since vectors are based on X,Y coordinates they're not effected by streching and such, unlike Pixel Images. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 199 Fri Sep 03, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 18:10 EDT Hello all! Well, I had the time today and installed Calamus SL. So far it looks pretty nice. I do have one problem though. I'm using a loaner 1040 STe while my 4 meg system is in for upgrades, and even when I boot with a clean system (supboot.prg, desktop.inf) then run DATAlite, this 2 meg machine just doesn't seem to have the RAM to run with more than one or two Calamus modules. Sysinfo reports free ST RAM at 1627K. So you might guess I've been doing a lot of deleting and reloading of mods. (even with VM running and 5+ megs free on partition) I guess I could set up macros to do this for me? At least until I get my machine back. Is it OK to say, set CSL to load with frame and text mods, create DOC and frames, save doc, then delete frame and enter text with text editor? or PKS Write? Then continue to save/delete/load the doc and various mods as I need them? Is there a recommended config. for using machines with less than 4 megs? It took some time to figure out the work around, but so far... I Like It! All help welcome, and thanks, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 200 Fri Sep 03, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 20:22 EDT Matt, you can set up the macro using the Macro Recorder function. Turn it on with ALT ESC then step through the process of deleting modules one at a time. When finished, use ALT ESC to end the recording session. Assign any unused keybinding for this macro. Now use another recording sessions to reload your modules and assign a different keybinding. Regarding your second question... what are you trying to do? ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 201 Sat Sep 04, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 04:35 EDT Good question, Lou! All I'm trying to do is get Calamus SL to load and run. I think I've got it though. Since the machine I'm using (a loaner) has only 2 megs, I've set SL to load only a few modules to start. Then, as I complete each part of the doc, I delete and load what I need. Not quite as handy as if I had lot's of RAM. To get the Frame, Text and Text Style mods to load on bootup, I have to boot from a floppy, with only the Supboot.prg in AUTO. Then run DATAlite from floppy and set the cache to 4K and reboot. That's the only way I've found to run SL and have more than one small mod loaded. Until I get my machine back, with it's 4 megs, I will forget about running it with Warp9, SilkMouse, or NeoDesk, not to mention Geneva! Man, I'm starting to see why my Mac friends are always screeming for more RAM! (most of them are graphic artists) Thanks again, and by all means, keep those hints and tips rolling in! Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 202 Sat Sep 04, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 10:19 EDT Matt, now I have a better idea what you mean. Calamus SL does need lots of RAM and you are at the minimum (as if you didn't know ). Stephen Samuels suggested a new feature... the ability to boot different setups from a number of CALAMUS.SET files... that emulates Superboot or Deskmanager. I sure hope it gets done for users with your kind of problem. In the meantime you are doing the only thing possible by loading and removing modules as you need them. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 203 Sat Sep 04, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 13:49 EDT And now, another call for help! Which modules need to be loaded to enable printing? I tried to output a simple page, one text frame and one line of copy. Loaded the BJ_10e driver (that's what I have), hit print. I get the right window, but the page is set to A5 and none of the arrows to change page size are working. AND... no output. This afternoon I will be re-reading the manual to see what I missed. Even though I changed the page size to US standard letter in the page mod, the print screen still states it's A5. Guess I should read that part again! I think I'll get some lunch, and start re-reading NOW! Thanks all, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 204 Sat Sep 04, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 14:11 EDT Thanks once again Lou. See my latest post? Any suggestions? (except RTFM) Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 205 Sat Sep 04, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 18:29 EDT Matt, the Page module is used to Set Page Format. The page size can also be defined in the Print Document dialog box. Check the settings there too. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 206 Sat Sep 04, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 18:35 EDT And then check your dip switches on the Canon. ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 207 Sat Sep 04, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 21:25 EDT >.... ability to boot from different CALAMUS.SET files...< This would be nice! I do something like that with my DATAlite.SYS file. Because I need to boot from a _very_ clean system to run Calamus with any efficiency, I keep Datalite (prg & sys) files on the boot floppy. The DATAlite cache is set to less than 10, just enough to allow acces to the drives. This way, when I boot for Calamus, I first run a boot with MouseBoot to clear all AUTO prgs and ACCs. Then I re-boot from the floppy and voila! That's the only way I've found so far to keep from altering the cache set up in DL on the HD. I did it once, and it was a bear trying to get things back. The cache was at 3k, with no GEM caches at all. What a mess, but I was able to load and use many SL mods. Ya' know... the more I work with it, the less I mind waiting for it to change mods, etc. I'm still enthralled by the VM! If I could only get it to printout on my BJ 10ex! Take care, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 208 Sun Sep 05, 1993 S.BLACKBURN [STEVE] at 00:24 EDT Matt: There is something you can try to improve the quality of the Degas images but you have to go out of the computer for part of it. It could probably be done with a computer if you had the right equipment, if not you could do the following. Take a printout to a good quality copy machine, enlarge the image to about 8x10, re-touch the image manualy with pencils, chalk or pen and then scan the image. The higher the scan rez the larger or better the quality. If the images arn't too complicated you can scan them with Speedline and them export them to Outline Art where you can add raster fills (very time consuming) and end up with a vector graphic that might give you what you want. Even if you don't vectorize the images, the process will increase the quality of your image. Adding shades with a bitmapped drawing program could hide some of the imperfections with the different sprays and fills available (including those you can create yourself). It's all a lot of work, but if these are images that you just can't live without it might be worth a shot. You can also change the backround and alter the images (smooth out some jaggies etc) while you are playing with the hard copy. Steve Blackburn ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 209 Sun Sep 05, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 01:45 EDT OK, I've got the _team_ on it now! Lou and Nathan, Thanks for the reply. The dips on the Canon are set for 11 inch paper and for BJ 130e mode. In 10ex mode the printer gave me nothing but symbols on paper (lots of ?'s and aL?'s) and continual error beeps) I was able to get some print out in 130e mode. Roughly A5 sheet size. (approx. 4 5/8 x 7 3/4 inches) Left and right page were highlighted and Automatic chosen. I got most of the graphic but none of the copy at the top. (it was printed in landscape!) Until I grouped all frames, I kept getting the no frames visible msg. What didn't I do? When I set it to portrait, I got most of the copy. (cut off left edge) The printout was roughly 5.5 x 7.75 in. Missing more than the usual 1/4 inch edge, I'd say. Re: page size: So I get the Frame and Page mods installed. Set page size in the Page mod, then create new doc and text frame. Save doc. Juggle the mods until I have copy on the page as I like it. Save doc. I then exit out of CSL, and re-ran it. Loaded in the doc (with Style and Page mods loaded) and went to print. Printer screen still says A5 paper size. Still won't let me adjust via the buttons in the print screen. I did try to load another BJ driver. It was for a 24 pin so I didn't use it, but while at the print screen _it_ read the proper page size, and (I think) let me adjust it. I imagine it must be something I'm doing/not doing, but I'm still in the dark about it. Paper size gadgets aren't working in the print screen. Also, must I have loaded, when I go to print, all of the mods used in a particular doc? Can I get away with just having the Style and Text mods loaded? While these are certainly a novices questions, I am gaining quite an education just reading the manual. Thanks for your help and patience, hope you don't mind my being a pain! Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 210 Sun Sep 05, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 03:09 EDT Mr. Blackburn, (Steve) Thanks for the input! I hadn't thought of that route. At the monent I have scanned the mediocre laser print into Photoshop and am recoloring with Pantone palette. This, I hope will at least get me non-pixelated color fields on next printout. The problem of size, I think will call for vectorizing. So far, the 300 dpi scan (color) is 3.69 megs. When I increase the size in photoshop to full legal size, (8 1/2 x 11) it jumps up to 24+ megs! I'm working on a friends spare syquest cart so I can store it, but I'm affraid to think of how long it would take, and how much it would cost to print out that file at the printers. (Remember, the orig. Degas pic, converted to TIFF, printed out at only 2.5 x 5 inches) Next, I'll try to see if I can't somehow get the 32k orig. tiff (converted from Degas) into PhotoShop directly. That should help filesize. If I can recolor and resize there... I'm in! If my current attempts fail, I will most likely try yours out. Thanks again, Matt ------------ Category 16, Topic 7 Message 211 Sun Sep 05, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 10:00 EDT Actually, if Matt is going to vectorize the graphic with SpeedLine, he may as well do it with the original pic. The vector graphic will be smaller in byte size and can be stretched to the desired page size as he wishes. From there the Vector Editor could be used to touch up or colorize as needed. Matt, do you want to upload those graphics to Library 43 and I will try to SpeedLine them for you? Regarding your printing problem, you don't have to have any modules loaded while printing. The print function is in the File menu.. it is not part of a module. Oops, technical correction... if you were doing color separation you would need the Color Sep. module loaded. This is not the case for your job. In the Print Document dialog box you should see the word 'Letter' on the Paper Size: line (3rd from top). If not, click the arrows beside it until you do. The alert for No Frame visible means that Calamus is finding frames with their contents display turned off. Check in the Frame module Display Command Group... the last one... to see that all frame types are turned on. It sounds to me like you are running out of RAM. After you have saved your document drop all modules and print. If it is wrong, reset your System Memory to 8192 bytes and print. If that doesn't work, turn on the Virtual Memory and have a cup of coffee (it could take a while). If that doesn't work, upload the file to library 30 with a note to me or Nathan in the file description. It is possible that you have some components that are causing your problem. If you are using PD fonts, include them in the upload. Just a thought... do you have a _lot_ of grouped frames? These can often slow things down considerably. Do a Select All and ungroup everything before printing. ------------