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(AMEX: ATC), the founder of the video game industry and the creative force behind some of the world's best- known titles, has announced the launch of a revolutionary new multi- media entertainment system, the Atari Jaguar. The launch will be supported by aggressive advertising, promotion and marketing efforts to be centered in the New York market in the fall, with a national roll-out of the product within one year. The Atari Jaguar, housed in a futuristic casing, is an interactive multi- media system based on an Atari-designed proprietary 64-bit RISC processor. The 64-bit system is four times the technology currently seen in the market today. The Atari Jaguar features over 16 million colors in 24-bit true-color graphics and produces shaded 3-D polygons to be manipulated in a "real" world in real time. The Atari Jaguar also has real-time texture mapping and creates spectacular video effects. The sound system is based on Atari's proprietary, high-speed, Digital Signal Processor dedicated to audio. The audio is 16-bit stereo CD quality and processes simultaneous sources of audio data, allowing for very realistic sounds, as well as human voices, which are essential for future multi-media applications. The Atari Jaguar is truly expandable and will include a 32-bit expansion port which allows for future connection into cable and telephone networks, as well as a digital signal processing port for modem use and connection to digital audio peripherals such as DAT players. The unit will also have a compact disc peripheral, which will be double- speed and will play regular CD audio, CD + G (Karaoke) and Kodak's new Photo- CD(R). Currently, there are multiple software titles in development, which will be available on MegaCart(TM). Atari, known for such groundbreaking 3-D titles as "Battlezone 2000(R)" and "Tempest 2000(R)," will issue spectacular new versions for the Atari Jaguar. New 3-D game titles will include "Cybermorph(R)," "Alien vs. Predator(R)," "Jaguar Formula One Racing(TM)" and many more. Atari will license third-party publishers to join the Jaguar family. "The Atari Jaguar system will revolutionize the state of home entertainment as we see it today," said Sam Tramiel, president of Atari. "The idea of a 64- bit system is earth shattering and kids and adults will be amazed at both the imagery and manipulative capabilities. And we are proud that our entry into the multi-media entertainment category will be fully made in America." The Atari Jaguar will retail for approximately $200 and will be available nationwide next year. The Atari Jaguar packaged unit will include one software experience and a Power Pad(R) Controller with a ten-key pad and other special features. Atari Corp. manufactures and markets personal computers and video games for the home, office and educational marketplaces throughout the world. Atari headquarters are located at 1196 Borregas Ave., Sunnyvale, CA 94089. CONTACT: August J. Liguori of Atari Corp., 408-745-2069 ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 2 Thu Oct 28, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 01:10 EDT I looked at the 4 page Jaguar spread in one of the game mags today. Sorry, I not a regular reader of them and I don't recall which one, but I will say that I was very impressed. I hope Cybermorph is as impressive as the folks here have been saying, 'cause I wasn't too impressed by the screen shots. Not being into games a whole lot I may not fully understand what I'm looking at, but I will say that the shots of Alien vs Predator looked great! Better than the others in the add. (IMHO) Don't misunderstand, all the shots were good. I just happened to think A v P looked best. If they play as good as they look.. Atari is 'in there'! Matt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 3 Thu Oct 28, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 03:18 EDT I think Alien Vs. Predator will turn out to be a great game. Really, really great. And if some of the "things" I've heard wind up in the finished product, AvP will earn the "Awesome!" rating. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 4 Thu Oct 28, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 16:56 EDT There's been a sighting of a Jaguar advertisement. Check out message number 76 in CAT 14 TOP 44 for details. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 5 Fri Oct 29, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 00:33 EDT There's also a 2-page Lynx ad in that same magazine, toward the back of the magazine... Just seeing the two ads made the mag worth the $4 newsstand price, IMHO. [:-) -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 6 Fri Oct 29, 1993 SAM-RAPP [<>] at 02:20 EDT I heard someone mention that the new issue of "Game Informer" (hmmm, not sure thats right...) has a Jaguar AD in it. Something about a Jaguar (cat) chasing Mario and Sonic around... ==========> Sam "We're taking the competition apart bit by bit." ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 7 Fri Oct 29, 1993 A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti] at 05:11 EDT Game Informer is a small magazine run by a mail order house! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 8 Fri Oct 29, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 06:19 EDT If only GAME INFORMER were available somewhere! I've never even HEARD of that magazine before, which makes me wonder why the first ads showed up there instead of GAMEPRO or somesuch. Is that magazine a NY or SF only magazine? ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 9 Fri Oct 29, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 10:13 EDT I bought the Game Informer mag at B. Dalton, if that helps anyone out. I live in Maryland. I think the reason they showed up there first is the fact that it's the first "December" magazine on the newsstands, and I'd say that Atari will be doing lots of advertising in December issues of lots of magazines. [:-) Actually, the ad said "Chewing up the competition bit by bit", I think (I don't have the magazine in front of me). -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 10 Fri Oct 29, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 10:28 EDT Dateline:Atari! held on Thursday instead of Friday next week? YES! Cool, that means I can make it to this one (finally!). Thanks to whoever made that decision, just to accomodate my schedule. I really appreciate it. [;-) -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 11 Fri Oct 29, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 13:28 EDT Will there be any TV ads for the Jag? --Kevin ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 12 Fri Oct 29, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 13:52 EDT I know definitely that their wil be Jaguar ads in the December issues of GamePro and VG and probably all of the others as well. -That's Jaguar Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 13 Fri Oct 29, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 20:44 EDT Tony, the Dateline Atari will be coming to you live from the New York site of the Jaguar rollout. Please do join us at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 14 Fri Oct 29, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 21:28 EDT Lou, You can bet I WILL be there! Say, you don't know if there's gonna be any TV coverage of the press conference itself, do you? Either live or taped, or whatever? THAT would be cool. [:-) -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 15 Fri Oct 29, 1993 J.NESS [Jim] at 23:05 EDT Tony - Live coverage of the news conference? Even Bill Clinton has trouble getting live coverage. Sam Tramiel may well be taped, though, for a later appearance on various cable business news shows. -JN ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 16 Fri Oct 29, 1993 M.LYDA [mike] at 23:35 EDT Why would they put ads in Gamepro or EG? They already have 2-3 page reviews in every game magazine you pick up on the newstand! (well.. except the SEGA and Nintendo specific ones..) Anybody catch the Gamepro??? (can't remember) cover that shows the 3DO and has the word HYPE on it!!! aahhahahahhaa Glad I didn't plunk down $699. A low rent ad in Game Informer makes sense.. actually, it probably was the closest issue they could get it in to Nov 4-5 when they are supposed to start the ad campaign, and they can now show investors and such a print ad. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 17 Sat Oct 30, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 01:01 EDT //// Tony, I was talking with Bob just a few hours ago. I passed on your "thanks" for having moved the November RTC to Thursday night, and Bob replied, "Tell Tony the ST RoundTable and I are glad to offer such personalized service!" //// ALL, Bob was working very very late tonight, and he was kind enough to spend nearly an hour bringing me up to date on Jaguar news. One tidbit that I can relate to everyone now (and that's because someone else talked!) is the name of one of the new Jaguar developers: Park Place Productions. They've done work under the Electronic Arts umbrella, most notably John Madden Football for the Sega Genesis. Park Place is working on a football game for the Jaguar, and have been signed on for almost two months now. (Bob told me about them after the September Dateline: Atari RTC.) Park Place is also developing a title called (from what I can gather) "3D Football" for the 3DO system. Bob couldn't say if Park Place is doing John Madden, 3D Football, or a different title for the Jaguar. Rest assured though, there will be a quality football game for the Jaguar in 94. (Personally, I am pleased.) But what else? In addition to Cybermorph (the pack-in), there will be three other games for sale this holiday season (Crescent Galaxy, Raiden and Evolution Dino-Dudes). Plans are to have fifty (50) games available by the end of 1994. Doing some simple math indicates an average of almost four games per month (close to a game per week!) in 94. Now don't go off saying that there WILL be a new game every week. Who will carry the Jaguar? Electronic Boutique, Babbages, Toys R Us, Good Guys and others. (Garry Tramiel just inked a deal with a nationwide retail chain - not an electronic/software chain - that may be announced this Thursday.) The Thursday press thingy will take place in the Time/Life building in New York. Read into that (or not) what you will. Ron Kovacs will be there, and there will be a full report in next weekend's AEO. There are still things up in the air that may NOT be announced Thursday, so if you don't see NN new developers mentioned, don't panic. I'm going to be busy working on AEO (and personal stuff) this coming week, but I'll drop by every so often to try and field any questions. To sum up, where do we stand? The Fuse Is Burning Fast. The Jaguar is only days away from exploding onto the scene. I am totally convinced that Atari's rebirth starts now. --Travis P.S. Oh yeah, there will be ads in other gamign magazines also - TV commercials too. Atari is making a major push here. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 18 Sat Oct 30, 1993 A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti] at 02:17 EDT Game Informer Magazine 10120 West 76th Street Eden Prarie, MN 55344 Six Information Packed issues for $17.88 68 pages or call Gary Gillem at the circulation department 1-612-946-7245 Associated with Funco, Inc. Same address 1-612-8883. Every issue comes with an eight page catalog for discount price mail order games. The company also lists the price that they will buy the game from you (used) and resell used and new! Tony Wetmore, Who do you write for? Al Giovetti, ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 19 Sat Oct 30, 1993 MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 02:36 EDT Saw a picture and a mention (as kind of an also-ran) of the Jaguar in the November Wired. Mostly talk about 3do. Mike Allen ST HelpDesk~Sysop Written: 11:27 PM Mountain Time Friday, October 29, 1993 ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 20 Sat Oct 30, 1993 M.POCHE [Mick] at 04:31 EDT Travis - Your last post contained the best news I've heard so far about Jaguar developers! I've never really been satisfied with _any_ football games for any Atari systems, including NFL Football for the Lynx. If Park Place comes up with a John Madden beater for the Jag, we'll finally have a great football game! Can't wait for that one!! A one game/week average would be better than most people could afford, and even half that would be more than enough for my to totally wipe out my bank account, so that number should be pretty good as long as most of the games are of high quality. I think that just about anyone, anywhere should be able to find a E.B., Babbages or Toys R Us (Hmmmm, where's that backwards R key?) in their area, so Jaguars should be easily accessable to everyone! Again, this is all great news. For the first time in a LONG time, I actually feel that Atari's going to do this one right. The ball's in their hands, and they need to take that pigskin and run with it! We can't settle for a field goal this time either! Thanks for the updates on everything Atari.... - Mick BTW, it hurts every time I see your "[!] FSU #1 [!]" up there. I live just a couple of miles from LSU! Ughhhhhhh. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 21 Sat Oct 30, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 08:15 EDT Al, Ummmm, I write for uhhh, hmmmm... Wetmore Publications. Yeah, that's right - I =OWN= my own publishing company. In fact, I'm getting ready to buy out Ziff-Davis and several other smaller competitors. [;-) Seriously, I don't write for anyone. Did something I say give you that impression? I'm a lowly programmer/slave, who has sort of a "problem" with video games (I can stop anytime I want, really! ). -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 22 Sat Oct 30, 1993 L.FULGENZI [Chas] at 09:43 EDT Mike, I think that was the November issue of Electronic Games. The title was "3DO, supersystem or superhype?" The actual article was much more a tame and just rehashed the basic info on the system that every other gaming magazine has printed. Ah, Game Informer is that magazine the Funco people are always pushing on me . Now I know where to go looking for it! -Chas ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 23 Sat Oct 30, 1993 M.LYDA [mike] at 13:01 EDT chas; yep, that was it! Cover of Nov. issue of EG: "3DO, blah blah SUPERHYPE" ;^) Those two words together on the cover of a gaming magazine... well, bet Trip wasn't happy about that. I did see the ads in Game Informer.. in all the book stores and Software, ETC in the mall. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 24 Sat Oct 30, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 14:12 EDT Mick, Well, at least we share the same opinion of the &@*!$%# Florida Gators! I'm using FSU #1 for a nickname because we've been so close to winning a "national championship" the past few years, but we've always let it slip away ("Wide right"). Bobby Bowden is one of the hardest working coaches, and he deserves to win it all this time. This year seems to be our best chance ever (with a mighty tough schedule still to go - Notre Dame (we'll have to rewrite RUDY) and the &@*!$%# Gators both on the road), hence my sticking my neck out on the line with the nickname. Don't worry, if FSU stumbles, you'll get to rub it in my face! (I'm sure Bob Brodie will.) --Travis P.S. Uhhhh, to stay on topic, how 'bout those Jaguars? :-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 25 Sat Oct 30, 1993 A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti] at 14:41 EDT What is the address of Wired and the phone numbers (voice and fax) for subscriptions and editorial information? ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 26 Sat Oct 30, 1993 H.NAGRA1 [HARJ] at 16:26 EDT The latest issue of Video Games magazine had a review of the Jaguar. But somehow they have the impression that the Jag is a 32-bit machine. Someone from Atari should let these guys know that the Jag is a true 64-bit cat. Misinformation like this has a tendency to spread quite rapidly and could put a damper on Atari's efforts. Their review of Crescent Galaxy was quite scathing too. Is it true that CG does not have parallex scrolling, are the backgrounds just like 'wallpaper' with no depth? Harj ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 27 Sat Oct 30, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 19:08 EDT Harj, VideoGames had their information and specs all screwed up. The magazine has gone the way of EGM since Andy left. Glad he is with GamePro now. That Chris and Mike guy seemed all gunho to hype the Nintendo vaporware 64-bit in their editorial. VideoGames should stick to what brought them this far and that is covering videogames and not try to pretend that they are hardware experts. VG looks like it has become a little kiddy magazine. -That's JAGUAR Jim Travis, Please find out from Bob what time the big Jaguar bash is set to kickoff on Thursday and where we may be able to see some coverage about it on any of the networks (evening news, CNBC or other). -Still Jaguar Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 28 Sat Oct 30, 1993 AEO.7 [Gregg] at 21:03 EDT Anyone else notice that the Carolinas have a new NFL Pro Football team? Called the Panthers???? Pity, We came so close to having a household name already well known all at someone else's expense ..... Ah well, Jaguar or Panther..... Let's all pray for a MAJOR success!!!! Gregg ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 29 Sat Oct 30, 1993 L.FULGENZI [Chas] at 21:21 EDT I had it explained to me over in the Games RT, VG meant "32 bits" as in 32 bit graphics (the 24bits + 8bits for special effects thing). I agree it was presented in a confusing manner that most people (including me) would think they meant "32-bit" machine. Especially in light of their questioning of the 68000's function. Don't sell the review of Crescent Galaxy short. It was reportedly done by Chris *Bieniek*. One of VG's "old-guard" reviewers who's usually very accurate about game quality. We need to keep our fingers crossed on this one. -Chas ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 30 Sat Oct 30, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:48 EDT John Dvorak, high prince of computer columnists, mentions the jag in his column in the current issue of PC Magazine. (Maybe I'm the clown prince of computer columnists? Anyway, I'm writing about the Jag in two weeks.) Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 31 Sat Oct 30, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 21:57 EDT aL, What publication will your article be in and what issue? -Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 32 Sat Oct 30, 1993 S.WOLF4 [T/A Sandy] at 23:06 EDT FSU, LSU, &@*!$%# Gators. How about those ROARING Columbia Lions? An alma mater of mine! 3 cheers: oi, oi, ouch. I live right across a small stream from the Col. Univ. athletic fields, and get a live view of the Lions devouring themselves every 2nd week. Always accompanied by lots of band playing and cheering, Ivy League style. --Sandy PS: Oops, just realized lions and jaguars are related cats. Sorry 'bout that. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 33 Sun Oct 31, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 00:18 EDT HARJ: Yes, that description of the CG backgrounds is fairly accurate. I must point out that the 'wallpaper' is about the prettiest ever seen in a game. It is kinda flat. This was predicted a long time ago when CG was supposed to be the pack-in. This is no reflection on the abilities of the Jaguar. It can do parallax scrolling like you wouldn't believe. I have the feeling the game designer was not familiar with the hardware, and/or was not familiar with game programming, and/or was more concerned with making the 'wallpaper' pretty than adding depth. Check out the 'Alien vs. Predator' screenshots in the library. They are awesome. This game is getting pretty good reviews and it is not done yet. ____________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 34 Sun Oct 31, 1993 E.JOLLEY [Eric] at 00:56 EDT >Their review of Crescent Galaxy was quite scathing too. Is it true that CG >does not have parallex scrolling, are the backgrounds just like 'wallpaper' >with no depth? > >Harj As far as I could see (from CBS This Morning), the backgrounds are just wallpaper. Very flat. Very disappointing, IMHO. Atari should send CG back for cosmetic surgery. Things like parallex scrolling are important. Atari seems to be out of touch with what wows the kids. -Eric ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 35 Sun Oct 31, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 01:56 EST Travis, anyone... OK, so we now know that the Press Conference is the 4th, at the Time Life building... What time does it begin, and is it open to the public? I just happen to be taking the day off, and would like to be there!! Matt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 36 Sun Oct 31, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 04:31 EST Tetris doesn't have parallex scrolling and it did OK.:-) I'd rather see a good game first. Then use the graphics and sound neccessary to get the job done right. Knowing what not to use is just as important as knowing what to use. I would guess the programmer knows better then us after spending 5 or 6 months working on it everyday. I've only seen it for about 3 seconds at 7am in the morning. Possible mutliply scrolling layers with millions of flying eyeballs and ships was too confusing. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 37 Sun Oct 31, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 09:16 EST Steve-J, Who do you work for that enables you to know these secrets? Also, what time does the big sh-bang start on Thursday? -Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 38 Sun Oct 31, 1993 J.ROY18 [Jonathan] at 09:17 EST Heck, I'd be happy with a 24bit Xenon or Xenon II on the Jaguar. :) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 39 Sun Oct 31, 1993 L.FULGENZI [Chas] at 09:21 EST DrH. LOL!, you dog,....you evil dog! -Chas ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 40 Sun Oct 31, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 10:12 EST Al, Writing about the Jaguar? 'Tell it like it is' your Highness! Matt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 41 Sun Oct 31, 1993 A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti] at 10:17 EST just sounded like you were a lowly writer like me ? I guess my curiosity got the better of me. How do you like your job? Funco yea funco! The Electronic Games article on thewas by Bill Kunkel following the Ed Dille article on 3DO. Again on the phones, addresses, faxes, etc. on editorial and subscription for Wired. I want to subscribe and write! Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 42 Sun Oct 31, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 12:52 EST Gregg, Being from the Charlotte area originally (and now in Atlanta), I noticed the Panthers. --Kevin ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 43 Sun Oct 31, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:17 EST Jim, I write a syndicated column that runs in 100 papers in the U.S. and Canada, along with two other columns that run in my local paper in Syracuse, New York. I don't have a list of the papers that run the syndicated column; I can't afford a clipping service, and the syndicate doesn't have one, either. But readers have seen it in San Francisco, Chicago, Portland, Dallas, Minneapolis/St. Paul, and a few other big cities, along with a lot of smaller cities. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 44 Sun Oct 31, 1993 DABRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 23:48 EST Al, how does this column wind up in one's local paper? Does the public ask for it, or do you approach the paper in question? Is it a weekly column? ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 45 Mon Nov 01, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 23:19 EST Al, Do you know if your syndicated column runs in any of the Gannett papers??? Matt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 46 Mon Nov 01, 1993 BOOJIBOY [BOOJIBOY] at 23:53 EST Speaking of Toys R Us, the last few times I had been at their stores here in San Diego, they no longer had the Lynx or the game carts on display. Today I was at a Toys R Us and, guess what? The Lynx carts were back on display! Hmmm.... And today, 11-1-93, Atari stock closed at 10!!!! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 47 Tue Nov 02, 1993 A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti] at 00:14 EST I have to agree that the Jaguar review in Video Games did appear to be a little confusing. The comment concerning the 16-bit Motorola 68,000 chip seemed to imply that the machine was 16-bit and that the Motorola processor did more than the minor role that it aparently has in this product, while they seemed to spend less important rhetoric on the four 64-bit processors contained in the Tom chip (DRAM memory controller (up to 48 megabit carts), object processor for video output (32-bit color), GPU (Game Processing Unit???) with 4K SRAM, and Blitter, and Jerry chip, which is a 32 bit processor which handles sound, joystick, clock, timers, Uart (?), and DSP(?) with 8K SRAM. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 48 Tue Nov 02, 1993 R.MOORE12 [Moe] at 02:38 EST Steve-J, when you said that incredible universe in Arlington would probably carry the Jag, was that Arlington, VA? I am presently in Arlington, VA and would like to check it out if possible. let me know and I can check for everyone. Thank you, Ron ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 49 Tue Nov 02, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 04:35 EST A.GIOVETTI - GPU, I think, stands for "Graphics Processor Unit" just because it's the main section of the entire Tom chip. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 50 Tue Nov 02, 1993 JIM.K [Jim~ST Sysop] at 10:48 EST Messages #2-156 have been archived and are in the library-File #30588. JAGUAR_4.ARC 10/11/93 to 10/27/93 Jim Kudron 2Nov93 ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 51 Tue Nov 02, 1993 TOWNS [John] at 13:07 EST BTW.. I saw an interesting first ad for Jaguar.. At the Century 10 Movie Theatres here in Mountain View, CA there was a three slide ad before the movie showing screen shots of Jaguar games, talking about the system, and the last slide is an ad looking for senior game designers, animators, and producers. Interesting ad, no? ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 52 Tue Nov 02, 1993 C.FLUEGEL [Curt] at 19:52 EST Al : I live in Saint Paul.. is i in the Star Trib or the Pioneer PRess? and im new to this topic.. whats your column? Curt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 53 Tue Nov 02, 1993 DMJ [dmj] at 20:10 EST Moe: No, it was probably Arlington, TX, between Dallas and Fort Worth. This is, of course, a rumor... -dmj ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 54 Tue Nov 02, 1993 J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey] at 22:35 EST A.GIOVETTI, >object processor for video output (32-bit color), GPU (Game >Processing Unit???) with 4K SRAM, and Blitter, and Jerry chip, which >is a 32 bit processor which handles sound, joystick, clock, timers, >Uart (?), and DSP (?) with 8K SRAM. GPU : Graphic Processor Unit (shading, antialias, morphing...) UART: Universal Assynchronus Receiver/Transmitter (serial/parallel ports) DSP : Digital Signal Processor (astounding sounds, data compression) Moe, >Steve-J, when you said that Incredible Universe in Arlington would >probably carry the Jag, was that Arlington, VA? I am presently in >Arlington, VA and would like to check it out if possible. Let me >know and I can check for everyone. Arlington, TX. John L. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 55 Wed Nov 03, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:37 EST Curt, Star Tribune, as far as I know. I call it "Technofile," but some papers run it under any standing head they want. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 56 Wed Nov 03, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 05:56 EST By the way, I think it was mentioned a week or so ago that Jaguar TV ads would start airing in the test markets as early as this coming weekend. So keep an eye out, you lucky NY'ers and SF'ans! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 57 Wed Nov 03, 1993 E.WINDELL [GENE] at 17:51 EST Al, How 'bout posting your syndicated article on Jagaur right here in this topic? I would really enjoy reading it. I assume there will be no editorial bias in favor of the Atari product. Gene ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 58 Wed Nov 03, 1993 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 22:19 EST Gene, GEnie's worries about the distribution of copyrighted material extends to text as well as software. It would very much depend on if Al owns the copyright to his article in total or if it's split between him and the news service that signs his checks. Also, there is likely to be some kind of restrictions on the distribution of the text in his contract with his publisher (I know, for example, that some writers in the SFRT had to receive specific permission from their publishers to upload the first chapter of their new novel; never mind that the writers owned the text, they had sold the right to publish that text in ANY form under specific conditions. In that case the publisher agreed to it as an experiment in a new marketing promotion). Even if Al is willing, the sysops may HAVE to pull such a message unless we can be sure that all the legal I's were dotted and T's crossed. Etc. I'm really not at all familiar with the details of publishing in a newspaper syndicate so, if it comes down to it, I'll pass that buck to some other sysop, thankyouverymuch. ;-) Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 59 Thu Nov 04, 1993 ICD.GMBH [Jeff W.] at 14:45 EST Today on Paul Harvey's mid-day broadcast of "Paul Harvey News & Commentary," he spoke briefly about Atari. I haven't heard the word "Atari" over the radio or television airwaves in so long that hearing it today stunned me! Paul Harvey spoke about how huge the video game industry is in the United States and how it is currently dominated by Nintendo. But, he said, another player is about to enter the scene: Atari. He said the new game system, Jaguar, will be released in New York and San Francisco in mid-November and nationwide "probably not-before-Christmas." He was upbeat about Atari and the Jaguar. He also noted that he's an Atari stockholder. :-) - Jeff Williams - ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 60 Thu Nov 04, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 19:13 EST Accolade has announced that they are a third party in California newspaper today. I think it was in a Mercury or Mercy (sp?) County paper. -Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 61 Thu Nov 04, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 19:24 EST Yep, Accolade is confirmed! Several sports titles. See y'all in the RTC. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 62 Thu Nov 04, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 19:49 EST Jeff W. - Are you the same Jeff W. that used to sysop here on GEnie??? If you _are_... How ya doin'? ;-) Good to see you around here again. If your not... "never mind!" Matt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 63 Thu Nov 04, 1993 RHETT [Mr.Anderson] at 20:43 EST It's great to see Accolade on board as a Jaguar developer. Hope there are more big developers soon. --Rhett ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 64 Thu Nov 04, 1993 C.CASSADAY [Chris C.] at 20:49 EST Jeff!?!?!?!! Is that *you*??? If so, glad to see you again! Chris ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 65 Thu Nov 04, 1993 I.FILLMORE1 [Tristan] at 21:49 EST John C. Dvorak did, in fact, mention the Jaguar in his lates column (PC Magazine, Nov. 9, '93) but the article was rather negative. Actually, it was almost mean. The title was "Game Machines: Trend or Fiasco?" Basically what he said was that if it costs more than $100, no one's going to buy it. Many times (like, 5) he called the Amiga a "trivial game computer", and said that it "failed miserably", and so will the "Expensive game machines". Personally, I think he'll be proven wrong. "People don't want to spend over $100 on a games-only machine. Period." Well, I don't know about you, but I think the Jag is worth even MORE than $250. Doesn't the SNES go over the $100 mark? And the Genesis only recently dropped below. "People are playing games on the PC, now that sound and SVGA dominate the scene and make game playing at least as fun as it is on the Sega or Nintendo machines." Does anyone else get the feeling this guy has never picked up a game controller other than his mouse? I'd like to see you TRY to run "Cybermorph" or "Alien vs. Predator" on a PC. Well, enough for now... Tristan (NewGuy) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 66 Thu Nov 04, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:51 EST Gene, I'll try to post it here. I have to make sure the original copyright owner has no problem. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 67 Fri Nov 05, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 00:27 EST Bob, I wanted to ask these question in the RTC tonight but got skipped over. Anyway, I was wondering, with the other manufacturers selling millions of units per year, isn't 500,000 Jags per year a SMALL number of units to produce? Is that the numbers Atari plans on producing? I also wanted to know if you knew when the press conference/interviews would be aired on CBS, CNN, etc.? By the time you respond, I feel it will be too late though. Anyway, congads on the reception of the Jag and the Stock price. I hope Atari will come back in full force and take the market by storm. Good luck! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 68 Fri Nov 05, 1993 DMJ [dmj] at 00:32 EST Tristan: Yeah, I read that column too... but then, I take _everything_ I read in a PC magazine with a healthy grain of salt. You gotta remember, these magazines are in the business to make money. They make money by selling advertising. If they're not hyping the latest greatest _PC_ products, what do the advertisers think? Keep that in mind as you read PC mags. Also keep in mind that 99% of PC users (and even programmers) have no appreciation for how technically inferior, backward, and idiotic their hardware and software really is. Just today I was reading some of Microsloth's developer documentation... and I _swear_, they must deliberately make these things complicated and hard to understand. They probably have a set of docs they use "in-house" that is actually usable, but what they sell is utter junk. But I digress. Don't let Dvorak's negative attitude discourage you. The Jag is an awesome cat, and it's going to take more than a PC-hawk to kill it. -dmj ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 69 Fri Nov 05, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 00:49 EST Wayne, I am sorry I missed you in the RTC. It was the busiest one I have every hosted and there were a few 'corrections' during the evening :-) I have forwarded your question to Bob. If he answer in email, I will post here. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 70 Fri Nov 05, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 01:54 EST Wayne, Sure, Sega and Nintendo sell in the millions of units (systems). They've also been on the market a long time, and have lots of software available. What I think would be interesting, though, is how many units did each system sell in its first year. Does anyone know that? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to start a war or anything. After tonight's RTC, I'm going to try calling Atari tomorrow to see if I can place a pre-order for a Jaguar (and 2 or 3 games) with them. I can dream... [:-) -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 71 Fri Nov 05, 1993 E.WINDELL [GENE] at 06:00 EST Tristan, Like you, I disagree with John C. Dvorak's opinions about expensive game machines. If the Amiga was a failure, it was only because people like him couldn't contend with color graphics, multitasking, and a GUI until Microsoft said it was okay. He has overlooked the fact that the hardware required to adapt his PC for use as an on-line multimedia terminal will cost him a lot more than a Jaguar. The guy is past his prime. Al, Thanx. Maybe you could wordsmith the article a bit to comply with the copywright law. Gene ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 72 Fri Nov 05, 1993 T.FINCHER [Tommy] at 08:00 EST Yea, He's the same butt head that was raving about how great his IBM & green monochrome monitor was over the color of the Atari ST's & Amigas. If Atari of Commodore had marketed right in 1985, there wouldn't even be a windows today, or even better, a John C. Dvorak. trf ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 73 Fri Nov 05, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:42 EST A quick note on John Dvorak: He's about as distant from Microsloth and Windows as anyone could be. John doesn't have a fave operating system, and his major failing is, in fact, his confusion of the Amiga with the ST a couple of times. In other respects, he's am astute gadfly that Microsloth would love to muzzle. Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 74 Fri Nov 05, 1993 ICD.GMBH [Jeff W.] at 09:20 EST Matt & Chris - Yep, it's me. It's nice to see Atari receiving so much attention. I heard Atari mentioned on American Public Radio's "Marketplace" program on my way in to work this morning. I couldn't stick around for the entire RTC last night so I look forward to downloading the transcript. Nice job, Lou! - Jeff - ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 75 Fri Nov 05, 1993 MIKE-ALLEN [NM~SysOp] at 18:04 EST Jeff! Good to see you around again! We've missed you. Now, explain the ICD.GMBH moniker. Are you working for ICD in Germany? Just curious. Don't be such a stranger. Mike Allen ST HelpDesk~Sysop Written: 3:42 PM Mountain Time Friday, November 5, 1993 (Sorry, TopiCops, but I couldn't resist. Just for the record: "how about that RTC last night? Over 110 folks showed up to hear about the Jaguar Roll Out." Ha, now on topic!) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 76 Fri Nov 05, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:35 EST Thanks Lou. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 77 Fri Nov 05, 1993 L.FULGENZI [Chas] at 18:49 EST I wasn't able to stay for the whole RTC. I thought the 50,000 units shipped figure was for the rest of this year. Surely Atari plans to move more than 50,000 of this cats in 94, yes? -Chas ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 78 Fri Nov 05, 1993 J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey] at 19:59 EST The Atari Jaguar 64-bit Multimedia Entertainment System is on the SKU price list of the Incredible Universe store in Dallas, TX as of this morning. Available the day after Thanksgiving for $247.99. John L. Battey ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 79 Fri Nov 05, 1993 DMJ [dmj] at 20:30 EST John Battey: Thanks, I'll be picking mine up then. (Assuming they're not sold out by the time I get there. ;-) -dmj ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 80 Fri Nov 05, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 20:44 EST //// John, Another rumor becomes reality! Thanks for the news, sir. ////Chas, Yes. Atari plans to sell 500,000 Jags in 94, and hopes to sell as many as one million. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 81 Fri Nov 05, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 20:55 EST Thanks, Jeff.W. It was a very pleasant surprise to see you online in your old stomping grounds. Don't be a stranger, eh? :-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 82 Fri Nov 05, 1993 M.RIVMAN1 [MATT] at 20:59 EST And a teriffic job you did too! (in the RTC, Lou.) Thanks for a job well done! Matt ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 83 Fri Nov 05, 1993 M.BISHOP8 [mike] at 22:09 EST Could someone tell me if the Jaguar could be purchased directly from Atari prior to January? If yes, what address or phone number could I use to order it.I appreciate any reply as I am not very adept at getting around Genie yet. thanks. *s ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 84 Fri Nov 05, 1993 J.FOUCH [JIM FOUCH] at 22:40 EST Mike, Yes, one can purchase a Jaguar directly from Atari. Call Don Thomas at Atari, there number is 408-745-2000. Or fax them @ 408-745-2088. Jim Fouch ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 85 Fri Nov 05, 1993 J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey] at 23:48 EST If the Atari 2600 lead the way for the current generation (single processor/coprocessor) of personnal computers, what does the Jaguar foreshadow? I wonder how closely related the Jag is to the graphics engine(s) that went into the Atari Transputer Workstation? John L. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 86 Sat Nov 06, 1993 J.ROY18 [Jonathan] at 01:18 EST I managed to miss the RTC, but I'm hoping all the important info is (will?) be posted here. :) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 87 Sat Nov 06, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 03:46 EST Does anyone have a clue as too how much Atari is selling this thing for? If 247 is the list/selling price. We can assume that Atari is selling it for about 180? ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 88 Sat Nov 06, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 04:53 EST L.FULGENZI - That is correct. Atari plans to sell AT LEAST 500,000 in 1994. J.BATTEY1 - The Jaguar chipset and ATW video processors are COMPLETELY different. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 89 Sat Nov 06, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 05:03 EST J.BRENNER1 - $249 is the MSRP. While I don't know for sure, I've heard that the dealer cost is right around $200 (+/- $10). Someone in the Games RT mentioned a store that's advertising the Jaguar for $225. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 90 Sat Nov 06, 1993 ICDINC at 09:20 EST From what I can tell, Sega is selling about 2-3 Million 16 bit systems a year. Not the 1 Mill per month that was previously reported. In these calculations, 1/2 to 1 Million Jaguars the first year fits quite well. - TOM - ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 91 Sat Nov 06, 1993 M.WARNER8 at 10:07 EST I have a feeling that Atari will have little problem moving the million units they plan on producing in 1994. Mark ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 92 Sat Nov 06, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 12:33 EST There will be a new Atari owned 800 number in effect in the next few days or week or two. We will be able to order Jaguar T-shirts, caps and probably even the Jaguar itself. Would anybody like to take a crack at the number? Ok, I see the suspense is getting to you. Drum roll please!!! 1-800-GO JAGUAR Jaguar Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 93 Sat Nov 06, 1993 RHETT [Mr.Anderson] at 13:21 EST Tom, The million units wasn't a per-month figure. It was a single month (September, I believe). Probably Mom and Dad buying one and hiding it in the closet for Christmas. The number comes from the Software Industry Bulletin, which is generally reliable. --Rhett ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 94 Sat Nov 06, 1993 J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey] at 14:52 EST Jonathan, ST Roundtable Library file #30622, BRODIE15.ARC. John L. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 95 Sat Nov 06, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 16:15 EST Hey all. I'll be uploading AEO tomorrow. Check the AEO topic (CAT 15, TOP 20) for the skimpy details! :) --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 96 Sat Nov 06, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 16:20 EST I'm gonna get me one of those T-Shirts ASAP! GO JAGUAR! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 97 Sun Nov 07, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 00:34 EST I would say Atari expects to sell a lot more then 500,000. After all if your trying to make your company look good it's always betetr to beat your own predictions. That way at the end of the year they can claim they sold 500,000 over their estimation instead of we feel short by 500,000. It's probably a really safe number. I wouldn't doubt they expect to sell more then 50,000 before Christmas. BTW, Now that Jaguars almost real shouldn't it get it's own Category before long? We need a place to start game topics.:-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 98 Sun Nov 07, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 04:46 EST J.THORNHILL - '1-800-GO JAGUA' will also work. Thanks for the info! I'm looking forward to buying a T-shirt and/or cap. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 99 Sun Nov 07, 1993 ICDINC at 05:26 EST Rhett, I am basing my estimate from a yearly sales figure I gleaned from an article in the Wall Street Journal. Where can I get a copy of this industry newsletter article? - TOM - ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 100 Sun Nov 07, 1993 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 08:57 EST We are working on just that....a home of its own. :-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 101 Sun Nov 07, 1993 K.STEVENS1 [Capt. Marvel] at 11:41 EST Can somebody take the Bob Brodie file, Brodie15.arc and the upcoming AEO file (on the Jaguar and either upload it as text or in a LHarc format? I have macintosh and there aren't any utilities to unstuff an arc file; though there is one to unstuff a Lharc file. Thanks. Marv ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 102 Sun Nov 07, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 12:47 EST Marv, I'll start uploading a copy of AEO to the libraries in LZH format. AEO always includes the Brodie conferences, so you can get that there too. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 103 Sun Nov 07, 1993 RHETT [Mr.Anderson] at 13:22 EST Tom, >Where can I get a copy of this industry newsletter article? I'll try to track it down. I might still have a copy in my office. --Rhett ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 104 Sun Nov 07, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 14:04 EST Travis, When the new AEO be uploaded? There is aguy on Prodigy saying that his company is now a Jaguar 3rd party but won't tell us who it is. He says that Atari will be announcing it soon. He says that they have 6 games scheduled for the Jaguar nex year which is good considering that they only have 4 planned for the Genesis. He said that on their project board that 3 of the Jaguar games are in red meaning that they have top priority. Thay are also a 3DO developer and all the programmers were goo goo on it until the Atari rep visited them twice and showed them the Jaguar and after getting a chance to see the Jaguar internals are absolutely goo goo over the Jaguar and have even been singing a Jaguar rap song. So far they have two RPG's scheduled and a Flight Simulator. He said the flight simulator will utilize every key on the controller. Apparently the company he works for has made a popular series of RPG's for the Genesis. Does anybody know what company this may sound like that Atari hasn't announced yet? -Jungle Jaguar Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 105 Sun Nov 07, 1993 L.FULGENZI [Chas] at 14:53 EST JJ Jim, RPGs for the Jag?!! You my friend just made my WEEKEND!! -Chas p.s., I'm stealing you post and moving it o the Games RT, please let me know if this is tacky and I won't touch them in the future. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 106 Sun Nov 07, 1993 C.SMITH89 at 15:56 EST The only third-party Genesis developer I can think of who's done a number of RPGs would have to be Rennovation. They had the Genesis versions of Y's 3 and Exile. Clint Smith Editor Atari Power Entertainment Newsletter ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 107 Sun Nov 07, 1993 J.THORNHILL [JAGUARJIM] at 17:34 EST I am thinking that the third party I mentioned may be Sierra but I am not sure if they do Genesis games. Hopefully we will know soon. Clint, when will the next APE be going out? -Jim ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 108 Sun Nov 07, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 17:43 EST Lou, I'm happy to answer Wayne's question here. Thanks for making it possible for me to play "catch up" after the RTC! And BTW, I was so drained after that very long day I didn't take the time to thank you for one of your best jobs hosting an RTC ever! Considering the amazing response we got to this CO (much bigger crowd than I had expected!) I thought you did a fabulous job. Thanks! Boy, was I tired! I was very glad that Ron Kovacs was around, I needed to step back from the keyboard and just dictate my responses to him. :) Whatta luxury!! OK, now for Wayne... The number of units that we have projected to manufacture for next year is quite realistic. Bear in mind that the Jaguar is being handled much different than we ever handled a product before: a domestic manufacturer handling shipping and warehousing for us, as well as developing a network of resellers for a major home entertainment product. The other companies have established track records, lots of software and good distribution. We have a superior product that we believe is going to capture (and to an extent, alreads) the attention of the marketplace. Our number may appear to be conservative, but for a brand new machine...we think it's on target. Part of the production numbers will be software driven. That is, if a really terrific game comes out (Say, Alien vs. Predator in Januar) and the marketplace goes BONKERS..we'll build more. :) If the killer game is later than that (or let's say there is _more_ than ONE killer game!) that will affect our plans, too. :) I'm sorry, I don't know when CNN et all will be airing their clips. Cunningham Communications should be making copies of those available for us. I'll have a look at them when they come in. Did you see the article in Thursday's USA Today in the LIFE Section? :) Your warm wishes for success are appreciated!!! best regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 109 Sun Nov 07, 1993 C.SMITH89 at 20:09 EST Jim, next issue is being mailed tommorow(I'm going back to envelope stuffing when I finish this message). ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 110 Sun Nov 07, 1993 RHETT [Mr.Anderson] at 20:30 EST Jim, Sierra has not done any Genesis games. Dynamix (a division of Sierra) has done two for the Sega CD. --Rhett ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 111 Sun Nov 07, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 20:46 EST Hey Bob! Thanks for answering Wayne's question and for the appreciations. Doing Dateline Atari with you has been one of my most enjoyable tasks as a sysop. The sheer excitement on the first Friday of each month is something I eagerly anticipate. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 112 Sun Nov 07, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 20:57 EST //// Jungle Jaguar Jim, I really can't say what company's profile that is. I am sure there are many developers for the Jaguar I am unaware of. If P* has Internet mail access, have the gentleman drop me some EMail here on GEnie. AEO_0219 has just been uploaded in ZIP and LZH formats. IMHO y'all should read it. //// Bob, Can that _really_ be you? Online? What will they think of next? --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 113 Sun Nov 07, 1993 SAM-RAPP [<>] at 21:34 EST T-Shirts? WHO would want one of those? ;-) ========> Sam _ _ ____ _ _ _ ____ ||| Atari | | / |/ ___\| | | | / | _ \ ||| | | / | | __| | | | / | |_| | / | \ /| | |/ / | | |_ | | | |/ / | _ < | |_| / _ | |__| | |_| / _ | | \\\ \___/_/ |_|\____/ \___/_/ |_|_| \\\ \\\ ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 114 Sun Nov 07, 1993 L.FULGENZI [Chas] at 21:45 EST Hmm...been thinking about what developer JJ Jim could be speaking with on Prodigy. One name that came to mind was Treco who put out Sorcerer's Kingdom, an average RPG. I'm not sure, but they may have also developed Warsong, an excellent RPG/strategy game. -Chas ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 115 Sun Nov 07, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 21:56 EST Bob Brodie: In the conference you stated that the Jaguar has an RS-232 port on the expansion connector. Can you elaborate on this? What I'm really trying to find out if the port is a true RS-232 port which would allow the connection of an off-the-shelf modem, or if it's a nonstandard serial port that would require a dedicated modem. Thanks. Also, can you tell us when and where to look to see Jaguar ads on TV? Thanks... _____________________ \hunderbird P.S. I've got your Jaguar logo proudly displayed as the wallpaper on my MS- Windows (blech!) at work... Go Jaguar! ;-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 116 Sun Nov 07, 1993 A.GIOVETTI [al giovetti] at 23:01 EST bob-brodie, can you tell us how many units will be available to the press and who is getting them? Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 117 Sun Nov 07, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 23:15 EST Al, Nothing personal, of course, but... If you're a press-type looking for a evaluation copy of a Jaguar, I would say that posting messages in this Bulletin Board really isn't the best place for you to make your contact with Atari. Or so it would seem to me, an outsider. Maybe you should call the press relations types at Atari Corp? Just a thought... [:-) -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 118 Sun Nov 07, 1993 SAM-RAPP [<>] at 23:17 EST I don't know Jim. I did see a usenet post from a fellow who works for a company called "Id Software". Aparently they make a game for the NeXT called "DOOM" which is also scheduled for a before Christmas release for the PC. He said that they are now a Jaguar Developer and that they were putting thier SNES port of the game on hold and doing a Jaguar version instead! Looks like the Jag may be THE THING for 1994! Bob! I knew you would find a way for me to get a Jaguar this year AND get a nifty Hat and T-Shirt! Thanks! ;-) ==============> Sam ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 119 Mon Nov 08, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 00:07 EST Sam, Great ASCII art! Al ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 120 Mon Nov 08, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 02:37 EST Travis, Hey, you just can't ever tell what's gonna happen any more, can ya? :) Twice in ONE DAY! (I'm missing Ghost, but I've seen it before!!) And I'll take your advice and go read AEO, too! :-) Sam, NICE ASCII ART!!! Really well done! Congrats! Jim, There are a number of developers that we're working with, both that have signed up, and are waiting for evaluation units. I don't have any info about who uses what online service. I can say that in my opinion they should all use GEnie! :) You're correct about ID Software being one of the new firms working on the Jaguar...Doom is the game that they will be doing. I believe that they are the ones that did Wolfenstein 3D, as well. T-Bird, The RS-232 port is nonstandard, sorry. I don't have a copy of the broadcast schedule yet either. From what I have been told though, you shouldn't have to hunt for the ads. They are scheduled to run enough that everyone should see them at least three or four times. Travis says Pete Denoso of AEO already called him to say that he's seen them, and Ron Kovacs of AEO called me today and said that he'd heard them. So, the teaser ads are out there now! If you're not in the NYC area, try checking on WOR. Tony, Actually, Al did send a fax to our CFO, Augie Ligouri. Augie has forwarded it to my boss, who forwarded it to me. So, he's really not out of line to ask about it hear, as we haven't responded to him yet. Getting ready for the NYC rollout event was our priority, and we just had to put some things on the back burner. Al, Sam Tramiel told me to expect review units this coming week, week after in the very worse case scenario. I have your fax to Augie Ligouri, our CFO on my desk in the office. When I return to Sunnyvale tomorrow I'll take a look at your request. Yes, I do have a tenative list of reviewers that I want to send Jaguars to. At this point, you're not on it. But I'm probably going to have to review the list at least one more time, so I'll consider your request. With all due respect, we're looking at dealing directly with the publications first, rather than the free lancers that sometimes are published in the mags. I hope you understand that decision, and take it in the spirit it is intended. Regarding your request as to how many review units, and whom will be getting them; at this point I respectfully decline to answer that question. We're certainly looking to get as much coverage as possible, and are developing the plans necessary for us to do so. best regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 121 Mon Nov 08, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 03:04 EST Go Bob Go! Well, at least I know what's going to happen Saturday in Northern Indiana. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 122 Mon Nov 08, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 03:42 EST Bob Brodie, This is certainly none of my business but....... Al would be a great guy to review a jag. Fisrt: Although he is freelance I believe he mentioned at one point that his column appears in hundreds of papers. I imagine we could assume many thousands read it. Second: He knows what the heck he is talking about, so if your product is good he will recognize it immediatly. Third: He loves Atari stuff so he will he will probably write a very convincing, positive piece. Fourth: heck......Al is here 365 days a year helping all of us Atari users. Surely you can recognize him as one of the good guys! John Brenner ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 123 Mon Nov 08, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 05:30 EST Thanks for the response Bob. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 124 Mon Nov 08, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 05:53 EST Okay, just to update the Jaguar developer list: Anco Software Ltd. Maxis Software Telegames Beyond Games Inc. Microids Tiertex Ltd. Dimension Technologies Midnight Software Inc. Titus Eurosoft Ocean Software Ltd. Tradewest High Voltage Software Rebellion Software Ltd. Trimark Interactive Krisalis Software Ltd. Retour 2048 U.S. Gold Ltd. Loricel S.A. Silmarils Park Place Productions Virgin Games Accolade Microprose ID Software Interplay UBI Soft Gremlin Graphics Millenium Atari Games (to use Jaguar hardware in arcade units) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 125 Mon Nov 08, 1993 S.WINICK at 06:48 EST Bob (Brodie), Al's column is syndicated and appears in a plethora of newspapers in the northeast -- an area I understand will be one of the primary rollout areas for the Falcon. His column is indeed well read. I have customers who are always telling me about things he writes about Atari computers. Atari would be missing the boat on some potentially excellent press coverage for the Jaguar if you don't get an evaluation unit to him for a review. Lets see...... the cost of an evaluation unit divided by the number of papers that carry Al's syndicated column, divided again by the number of readers per paper........ gosh, that comes out to almost nothing per reader! Sounds like a pretty good addition to your advertising budget to me! ;-] Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 126 Mon Nov 08, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 11:36 EST Guys, There are _two_ Als being spoken of here. One is Al Giovetti, who has FAXed Atari asking for a press unit, and Al Fasoldt, longtime ST RT fixture and author of the syndicated column. Sorry for sticking my nose in.... --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 127 Mon Nov 08, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 13:21 EST Al Fasoldt, I wonder if I'd see your column in the NY Times? Or the Atlanta Journal/Constitution? What type of column is it? --Kevin (Atlanta) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 128 Mon Nov 08, 1993 TOWNS [John] at 13:50 EST Atari Games is going to use Jaguar hardware in their Arcade Games? Wow! That is interesting news. Travis.. you should mention to Bob that Atari's PR Firm should get off their butts and issue some Press Releases on this sort of stuff! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 129 Mon Nov 08, 1993 BOB-BRODIE [Atari Corp.] at 18:15 EST Travis, Thanks for sticking your nose in...you're 100% correct. There are TWO Als being spoken of here. Since I was responding to a message from one of them directed to me, I _assumed_ that everyone would recognize which one I was writing to. Silly me! :-) Let's see, from what Sheldon says, I think he's referring to Al Fasoldt. I certainly see nothing referring to a newspaper column in the fax from Al Giovetti! But to all that responded...thanks for your input! It's always nice to see such a high level of concern about who we should be in contact with in the media. I appreciate your input. Towns, :) You were here long enough, surely you remember the drill. The deal gets cut, we call the PR firm, and go online as post about it. :) :) The PR firm is working on press releases, with full backgrounders on all of the new developers we signed up, including Virgin, Interplay, and ID Software. Of course, they also had to do an event in the Newport Mall in New Jersey this past weekend, and again this weekend, too. Come to think of it, most of their staff working on our account is still in NY as I write this. :) Give 'em a break, John. They'll do the job well. Most of our PR efforts right now are more focused on magazines, with a longer lead time than say...AEO. :) regards, Bob Brodie ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 130 Mon Nov 08, 1993 W.VELTING at 18:53 EST What is the number to order a Jaguar, and how soon will Atari be accepting orders for them? William D. Velting ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 131 Mon Nov 08, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:05 EST Bob, Al Giovetti! .......oh......uh......hmmmm.... Never mind. ;-) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 132 Mon Nov 08, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 20:22 EST Bob, That's not the drill. It's supposed to go like this: Atari cuts a deal, Atari calls the PR firm, then Atari goes online and debates whether or not what it did was a good thing. Atari should be concentrating on the magazines, look at all the guff caused by one magazines calling the Jaguar a 16-bit machine in their October issue. They should have been careful. That's not to say AEO isn't grateful for the attention given to it. "Lead time?" Gee, give me a phone call and a few hours and *poof* there's an issue. Atari users expect instant details and "in the boardroom" stuff. What other corporation has to deal with the likes of us? Bob, y'all do a great job at Atari keeping us informed. A mall show this weekend and next? Wow. AEO lost a story. That's ok, we had the Targas first. --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 133 Mon Nov 08, 1993 J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey] at 20:53 EST Bob Brodie, Will there be any ads in the Dallas market? I have confirmation from Inredible Universe that they will have Jaguars the for Christmas season. In fact, it showed up on a new SKU price sheet that the employees were given when they got to work on Friday. What are the chances of getting together something with or by the IU folks to show off the Jag in the foyer of the InfoMart during the Users' Group meetings on the 20th of November? Seems to me that trotting it out in front of 4000+ technojunkies a week before it hits the store might boost sales and give you an inexpensive News Event. Also, there is a somewhat misinformed blurb on the front page of the Business section of today's Dallas Morning News (Monday, Nov. 8, 1993). Is the Rumour Patrol overtaxed yet? ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 134 Mon Nov 08, 1993 T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 20:55 EST Bob- what was going on in the Newport Mall? and what is going on this weekend? Where is the Newport Mall in NJ? I live in Staten Island (y'know- the part of NYC that's seceding) and NJ is just a stones throw and tank of gas and a ton of NYC Bridge tolls away. -Tom McComb {7:58 pm} Monday, November 8, 1993 ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 135 Mon Nov 08, 1993 AEO.MAG [!] FSU #1 [!] at 20:56 EST //// William Velting, I was talkig with Bob about an hour and a half ago, and Atari will have a order acceptance arrangement ready very soon. Very soon. I'm pretty certain that when that information is released, it will show up here in this very topic, just as fast as it can be keyed in. Rest assured, you are in Jaguar Info Central. //// All, You may know this already, but if you don't, the 1-800-GO-JAGUAR number is NOT, repeat NOT a number to order Jaguars from. This number isn't ready yet anyway (I just checked.). --Travis ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 136 Mon Nov 08, 1993 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 21:01 EST Thunderbird, Off TOPIC... How did you get that picture on the Windows Desktop. Mainly how did you convert it to a BMP? On TOPIC... Which stores are gonna handle the JAGUAR in New York. It would be a three hour drive for me, so I would like to narrow down the places to look once I got there. ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 137 Mon Nov 08, 1993 D.SHORR at 22:41 EST The System Comparison table in AEO_SE_J states that the Jaguar has a resolution of 720*576. I plan on using my SC1224 for the display, but it only goes upto ST Medium. Where am I going to get all those extra pixels:)? At work today I looked at the Jaguar articles in the October 1993 Computer Select CD-ROM. One of the articles referred to the Jag as a 32-bit system(it wasn't a game mag either):(. Are there any Cybermorph pix? Dave ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 138 Mon Nov 08, 1993 S.WINICK at 23:16 EST Bob (Brodie), >> Let's see, from what Sheldon says, I think he's referring to >> Al Fasoldt. Absolutely correct! Good to see you back online on a more regular basis again, Bob. ;-] Sheldon (Computer STudio - Asheville, NC) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 139 Mon Nov 08, 1993 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 23:23 EST Spud Boy: I printed out the IMG file with pagestream and scanned in the resulting file on the PC at work. I forget the name of the scanner software, but it has BMP as an output file. Easy! _______________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 140 Mon Nov 08, 1993 SAM-RAPP [<>] at 23:49 EST Travis---------> You think you could get the pin-out of the Jags expansion port for us? Also, I thought there was supposed to be some info on Atari Direct sales of the Jaguar in this weekends edition of AEO? Thanks! ==========> Sam ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 141 Mon Nov 08, 1993 DMJ [dmj] at 23:51 EST T-Bird-- Why didn't you just take the IMG file and convert it to BMP directly? Dave S.-- I would imagine you get the 720x576 through some sort of interlace. Before you fall apart in spasms of anxiety, remember that your TV is interlaced... and you don't notice it. Why? Because of all the colors. I suspect with all the colors the Jag can crank out, the interlace won't look too bad. (Please note: this is pure speculation on my part.) -dmj ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 142 Tue Nov 09, 1993 WETMORE [Tony] at 00:23 EST I think somebody uploaded a color version of the Jaguar logo in .GIF format. Finding a program to convert .GIF to .BMP is real easy (though I don't know of any off the top of my head). I had one and converted to an OS/2 bmp which I used as a background for awhile. I'll probably go back to using it again, it's kinda cool. [:-) -Tony ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 143 Tue Nov 09, 1993 AEO.MAG [ B-Day ] at 01:26 EST //// Dave, Dunno about the extra resolution. Maybe interlace combined with overscan? The Jag _IS_ a 64-bit machine. Bob needs to work a little harder on these mags. ;-) I have some Cybermorph Targas, but they're very... smudgy and dark. I've been debating whether or not to upload them for fear that Jaguar detractors would have a field day with them. What say, people? They're not a decent representation of what the game will look like, but they're all I have. Should I upload one as a test? //// Sam, I can try (on the pin outs), but that may be a tricky one. I may do another Jaguar Special Edition this weekend. MAYBE. By then, Atari should be close to being set up to take orders. They're not ready just yet. //// All, Here's a tidbit I gleened from a FAX Bob sent me. Atari (themselves) are working on a VR Jaguar helmut "for the future." This is neat. I thought some third-party was going to do that, but Atari apparently is. Bob Brodie was still in his office this evening at 7pm Pacific time. I think we all owe Bob a round of applause for all of the extra work he's putting into making this marketing drive work. --Travis (I think I'll be busy today, see y'all in about 24 hours.) ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 144 Tue Nov 09, 1993 STEVE-J [DrHfuhruhurr] at 06:31 EST BOB-BRODIE - Has Atari considered a Jaguar 'core system' for those who don't care for a pack-in game? WETMORE - GEM-View will convert .GIF to .BMP. AEO.MAG - I just hope any Jaguar VR helmet doesn't suck like the Victor Maxx one for the Genesis! ------------ Category 14, Topic 45 Message 145 Tue Nov 09, 1993 C.OINES1 [Chazz] at 07:20 EST If it looks bad, I don' wanna see 'em ;) ------------