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The IAAD is the four year old association of Atari Developers which are dedicated to the ATARI platform. I don't want to give anymore details at this time since one of the purposes of this RTC is to become more familiar with the IAAD [grin]. There are three of the four other board members here tonight: J.ALLEN27 (Jim) POTECHIN (Nathan) NEVIN-S (Nevin) All four will be in talk mode and if you wish you can direct your comments to any member. Welcome Dot, do you have a few words to begin this evening RTC? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Certainly, thanks, Brian! The IAAD is an organization of third-party hardware and software developers supporting the ST family of computers. Many of our members are assembled here tonight. If you have a question for a specific member, please let Job #11 (BRIAN.H) know that. Our Board members are prepared to answer any questions you may have about our organization and the Atari market in general. Most of the Board is here tonight, too. I am the President, and our Board members are Nathan Potechin of DMC... Jim Allen of Fast Technology, Nevin Shalit of Step Ahead, and Chet Walters of WizWorks! Our organization is now in its fourth year. OK, Brian, you're on! Thanks Dot! Our first question is from Andreas! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Hi, Andreas. <[Andreas@AEO] AEO.2> For the Codeheads! Hi! I was wondering what the status of Calligrapher3 was and the situation with supporting SpeedoGDOS! In case they are not here I have a SECOND question ready!!! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> They are indeed here. <[IAAD John] J.EIDSVOOG1> We uploaded the press release for Calligrapher 3 a couple of hours ago. The demo for Calligrapher 3 is in the hands of the sysops and is being considered for the Treat of the Month. (I hope I didn't spill any beans here). As for SpeedoGDOS, we've asked Working Title UK about whether they'll be supporting it. I imagine they will wait until its actually released before deciding. Calligrapher already has its own outline font system at no extra cost and that might be a determining factor. <[IAAD John] J.EIDSVOOG1>Oh, I've just been informed that it _is_ the treat of the month. <[Bad IAAD Dog] CODEHEAD> BTW, did we mention that Calligrapher 3 now bypasses GDOS entirely? (Which means it's _much_ easier to install and configure...) <[Andreas@AEO] AEO.2> For Jim Allen can you comment on the Tiny Turbo for the F030? <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> The Falcon030's expansion port is very much like a 68000 chip so all we'll need is an adapter board to allow the ST model to plug right in!! <[Andreas@AEO] AEO.2> Thanks! Thanks for the great answers!! You are next Bruce <[bruce] B.WELSCH> I just want to say thanks for the great support over the years and hope you all keep it up. THANKS, Hope to see you all soon!!! Well, that was quick [grin]. [IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Was that for the group as a whole, Bruce? If so, thank you on behalf of the IAAD. ;-) What is the difference between the IADA and IAAD? It is confusing to me. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Brian, the IAAD is a group of developers. The IADA, the Independent Association of Atari Dealers is a group of dealers. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Independent Atari Dealers Association? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Another difference is that we thought of our name first. ;-) I am a member of both, as I have a VAR business as well as developing my own software. Do they have overlapping members other than yourself? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I don't know of any other than myself, Brian. OK, Dave Stuart is next. <[D. Stuart] AEO.7> Dorothy: Any prerequisites for membership? And are there any plans for IAAD to come out with a magazine or some other media? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Dave, the qualifications for membership include registration as a commercial Atari developer and a commercial product. Applicants are expected to hold all information gained through member discussions in confidence. And they must be admitted by a vote of the Board. <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> May I interject for a moment please Dorothy? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Nathan Potechin, by the way, is also a dual-member of the IADA/IAAD it turns out. ;-) <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN The main thing that we do as IAAD members is to help each other and by so doing, help ourselves and strengthen the market at the same time. The level of cooperation and communication within the IAAD is unprecedented in the industry. I had that prepared. Could you tell? ;-) <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> (Nathan has come prepared, I see.) Would any other Board member like to add something here? <[D. Stuart] AEO.7> So far I am interested, but I don't seem to fully qualify! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Dave, we don't have any current plans for a publication. Thanks Dave Stuart. You are next Joe. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> What specific accomplishments can be attributed to the IAAD over the past 3 1/2 years? Also, approximately how many members are there now? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> JD, we have over 50 members. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> Also, Nathan, as a registered Apple developer I think that I can take issue with the "unprecedented in the industry" comment. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Nathan, suppose you discuss some of our accomplishments? (and defend your "unprecedented" claim ;-) <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> Congrats on being a registered Apple Developer JD. ;-). I don't recall an organization such as the IAAD, meeting online on a regular basis, for any other computer platform. :-) <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Apple devs aren't nearly this friendly on as wide a scale ;-) <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> The IAAD was responsible for a fairly nice piece of marketing, a small booklet that contained information on many of our products. This booklet was enclosed with Atari computers from the warehouse, as well as provided as an insert. It was done at cost and was a very effective and positive accomplishment. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> We've acted as an information source, bringing the attention of developers to various opportunities for user group shows, working with Atari, etc. We've helped several new developers get up and running, too. We support the developers so that they can provide better support of their products. <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> We share information, probably our most valuable asset. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> Thanks, Nathan. That's all for me. Thanks JD. You are next Keith <[Keith] K.BROOKS1> Is Calligrapher 3 available now John? Warp 9 3.61 bombs Speedo in mid-print at least on the beta I am using of Speedo. Talk about FAST!! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Please let John E talk again Brian...Sounds like the CodeHeads ought to have a Calligrapher RTC! <[IAAD John] J.EIDSVOOG1> Calligrapher will probably start shipping next week. The demo will be released any minute now. We'll have to do some testing of SpeedoGDOS if there's a problem. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Who's next, Brian? I would like to know what changes are planned for the future for the IAAD? Is there any advertising or other strategy planned? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Jim, want to comment? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Jim is head of our marketing committee. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> We are planning a new IAAD product flyer, which thanks to some low printing costs will really quite nice, and available to all the dealers so people can quickly get an overview of all the neat stuff available for the ST!!! Thanks Jim.you are next Rob. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Hi, Rob. <[Rob] R.ANISKO> Hi, two quick techie questions. Is there a hardware/software fix (a la 50/60hz switcher) to allow ST's to use a higher sync speed, so as to work in color on VGA/multisync monitors properly? Is there a way to increase the khz? (between the ST and monitor?) <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Jim, could you handle this one please? ;-) <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Hmmmm, the ST's color output is at 15Khz, which is too low for typical multisyncs. You need to buy a multisynch that can operate that low....OR....buy a CrazyDots or ISAC card (blatant IAAD product plug). No way to get around it. There is an Amiga product called Flickerfixer that does what you want, but no one ever did one for the Atari. Of course you can get a Falcon too!! That works with multisyncs. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> And VGA and SC1224 and a bunch of other monitors. ;-) <[Rob] R.ANISKO> OK, and 2) some programs check graphics MODE (a Falcon no-no no doubt) rather than screen size - so say using a virtual screen won't work in some modes - any way to "fake" a graphics MODE? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Jim, could you tackle this one? <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Yes... <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I can say that, for programs that look for ST resolutions, the Falcon offers these resolutions, so you needn't give up your old software on that account when upgrading to the Falcon030. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> You could I suppose. The ones that check look at a low address variable, and do it through an OS call, so a little patch program could be made to "fake" what ever mode you wanted. Hmmm, wonder why no one's done that? Thanks Jim! OK, your turn for a question JD <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> Dorothy, you stated that the IAAD has about 50 members. Has the IAAD considered relaxing its commercial tier registration requirement? This would allow many more people who actively write software to come on board. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> No, we haven't, JD. We require the registration status because some of our discussions pertain to matters covered by non-disclosure. We also are interested primarily in encouraging commercial development. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> I suppose it is difficult to keep the different subject matter separate. But an "associate" membership with reduced privileges might be one way. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Nathan, would you care to add something here? <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> We have also made a solid effort to acquire new members in the recent past. There are many commercial Atari Developers that were not aware of GEnie (oh my) and were not really aware of the IAAD. As this changes, our membership grows. As well, new developers are coming on board and we fully intend to welcome them and make them feel at home. I cannot pass up the opportunity to mention that the largest center of Atari people online in the world is right here on GEnie. Atari themselves, Atari Developers and Atari computer owners from many parts of the world congregate right here. (Blatant GEnie plug.) :-) <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> People who aren't doing software/hardware development for commercial reasons don't need the help we predominantly offer anyway. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> Thannks, Nathan. That's all for me. Thanks JD <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> JD, Jim had a cogent comment in there, too. Our discussions would largely be of interest only to folks like ourselves who are actively trying to market commercial offerings. You are next Mike <--- our new sysop!! <[Curious Cat] MIKE-ALLEN> I have always been impressed by the quality, if not quantity, of the software in the Atari market as well as the support. My Q is can one really make a living in the Atari market? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Well, Mike, _I_ can't. ;-) <[IAAD Member] NEVIN-S> Nope. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Hey we only want serious questions here Mike ;-) <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> But I do hope that will change with the with the Falcon's release here. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> 100,000 Falcons could change the whole picture in a hurry ;- <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Not many developers in North America _are_ doing Atari software as a full-time activity. But many would love to drop their day jobs! <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> And hardware is barely a winner either. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Any further questions, Mike? <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> It's not easy Mike. As you've probably guessed, none of us can really excel until Atari puts some additional computers on the Dealers shelves <[Curious Cat] MIKE-ALLEN> To the CodeHeads: How goes things with CodeHead products in re: the F030? I am especially interested in W9, MDD and Callig3. <[IAAD John] J.EIDSVOOG1> Hmmm.... well Charles is the one with the Falcon. We're looking at it and have fixed some minor bugs in Desk Manager and MaxiFile. <[Bad IAAD Dog] CODEHEAD> Calligrapher 3 is fully compatible with the Falcon, and with MultiTOS. MultiDesk is compatible with the Falcon's built-in ROM TOS, but not (at the moment) with MultiTOS. Warp 9 is "under construction." Early reports are favorable. <[Curious Cat] MIKE-ALLEN> Good news about Callig3. Would one really use MDD with Multi TOS? <[IAAD John] J.EIDSVOOG1> MDD with MultiTOS? Hmmm...There is a mechanism for launching ACCs from MultiTOS. Actually....yes. MultiDesk will still be useful with MultiTOS. The current method of installing desk accessories in MultiTOS is less than optimal, in my opinion. It works with many ACCs. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Congratulations on your sysopship, Mike. Thanks Mike. You are next Lyre. Lyre has three questions. <[18] Lyre] AEO.3> First and foremost, I would like to thank all of the IAAD members for attending and sharing your experiences and information with us. I have a couple of questions. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Shoot! <[18] Lyre] AEO.3> Lexicor: How is the development of Leonardo Board progressing? And do you have a *tentative* release date? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Can the Lexicor gang respond to this? Lexicor or John Cole? <[IAAD Lexicor] J.COLE18> I'll take it. <[IAAD] LEXICOR> Cole will take this one! <[IAAD Lexicor] J.COLE18> Leonardo is being developed by Dover Research otherwise know as Jay Craswell of ISAC fame. We were going to market it when it was ready with full software support. When/if that ever happens is not up to us. Currently, we have no plans to announce a release date. The cards are finished and only need a 24 bit VDI, something Jay is having some trouble in getting. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> I can comment somewhat on Leo if you wish? Go Jim <[18] Lyre] AEO.3> I don't mind if you do Jim :) <[IAAD] LEXICOR> It's OK by me but check with Cole18 first <[IAAD Lexicor] J.COLE18> :-) <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Dover has the hardware all set, and awaits a 24bit VDI. THere are some folks in Germany who happen to have one all done and running on another board. So they are talking to each other about working something out. No promises, and this is purely off the record, but Jay IS working on the situation!!! <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> By the way, Jay is also responsible for the Moniterm board for the Atari. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> And his current ISAC (for MegaST) and AlberTT (for the MegaSTE/TT) boards...either one only $299 while they last!!!!! <[18] Lyre] AEO.3> Thanks. Next question....Dragonware: I noticed that you announced the release of D_GRAPH on the bulletin board. Could you tell me a little more about it? <[IAAD Chris r] DRAGONWARE> D_Graph is a GDOS, FSMGDOS, and SpeedoGDOS application. It makes graphs. It will export the graphs in various ST graphic formats. It will make vertical line graphs and horizontal line graphs with or without projection graphs. Pie and bar graphs Stairstep pie graphs, 3D graphs and 2D graphs and will import tab separated data files from just about any data base. It will export in IMG, Color IMG, CVG, GEM, MAC, PI3 , PC3 ,and SPC. <[18] Lyre] AEO.3> Thanks Chris. My next question is for NewSTar - the producer of Straight FAX! I was wondering how the response to Straight FAX has been? <[IAAD Member] C.S.SMETON> Thank You, The STraight FAX! has been going though a few changes lately. NewSTar Technology Management (the company that developed the STraight FAX! is now marketing it with help from Toad Computers in Severna Park, MD. Toad is providing technical support and marketing advice on the software and is aggressively marketing the product overseas. We are trying to contact all STraight FAX! owners to re-register with NewSTar so that we can provide them continuous support during our transition. We also apologize for any delays in shipping updates, etc. from the previous marketer. The re-registration is free -- just send your info to us - details are in Category 4, Topic 24. Thanks Lyre, you are next JD. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> Dorothy, a while ago you seemed to imply that the widespread release of the Falcon is just around the corner. Is this true? I get conflicting reports. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> OK, JD...Let me read this. ;-) At the Dateline Atari! RTC last Friday, JD, Bob Brodie said that the Falcon's release in the US would probably be delayed until March. <[jdb] JOE.WATERS> Any estimate of initial quantities? Thanks, I'll check that info. That's all for me. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I wasn't happy to hear this, of course, but I am hopeful they will have the minor problems he described ironed out by then so that there will be a smooth entry into the US/Canadian market. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> I hear there are warehouses full of Falcon boxes out in Sunnyvale!!! Thanks JD!! Dot, What is your vision of the future of Atari ST(E)/ Falcon? Is there a future for the ST(e) itself? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> There's a future for _my_ STe. ;-) Jim, no need to fuel the rumor mills. ;-) <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> I believe we have a few people here from Atari tonight. Perhaps they are in a better position to respond with accuracy. :-) <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Oops, I was watching "The Prize", so fuel was close to my thoughts, sorry ;-) <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Bob, could you comment on Atari's plans for the STe? We have no plans at present to discontinue the STE line. We feel that it is the perfect entry level machine. <[Bill@Atari] B.REHBOCK> The Falcon will eventually replace the STe, just as the STe replaced the 512 color ST. However, we will of course, weight that against the markets interest in the STE after the Atari Falcon030 is widely available. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Ah, good conflicting answers! Straight from Sam... :) <[Bill@Atari] B.REHBOCK> I did say eventually :-) <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> That makes perfect sense, thank you. Eventually...is the key word there...Indeed Bill. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I guess it would be safe to say that STEs will be available for quite a while? Thanks Bob, Bill. A question for Dr. Bob. Tell about the current and future plans for your MGV, eg Falcon, new modules, etc. <[IAAD Dr.Bob] W.PARKS3> Ahh... MVG is currently under re-construction. It is advancing from a strictly monochrome application to a full VDI-compliant Color graphics editor. (note: I've been told to explain what MVG is... strange that this isn't well known already ;-) With the advent of the Falcon's new video modes, we've been working overtime to support the True-color and 256 color modes as well. MVG, as it is available now, have several external modules on separate disks. These are also all being rewritten to accomodate the new color support. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> You'll be supporting TGA then, Doc? <[IAAD Dr.Bob] W.PARKS3> I think it would be best for to check out CAT#7 topic 5 for further details OR...... better yet... just about ANY RTC here on Mondays or Wednesdays. (am I taking too much time? I see the red light blinking;) Wow sounds fantastic!! Thanks for the info. If any of the developers want to add a pitch or something at the end please let me know. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> For the Ultimate in speed....buy TURBO030 from Fast Technology.....508-475-3810 <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I think Brian meant at the VERY end, Jim. ;-) Thanks Jim, you are next Dave Stuart. <[D. Stuart] AEO.7> Any IAAD person ... I would be content with $20k - $30k per year regarding 'making a living' on the ATARI platform. I could probably do that easily on the INTEL, but my preference is for the ATARI! It is just a superior piece of hardware and could be a much more widespread one - given the proper marketing. Or so it would seem! And what would be the best development tool currently? TT or FALCON? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Hmmm...Nathan, you work with both. This one is yours. ;-) <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Lattice C and Devpac from HiSoft are unquestionably the BEST in development software!!! That would depend upon your application. DynaCADD uses Lattice C from HiSoft. Calamus uses Turbo C still. :-) We use the TT at this time. <[D. Stuart] AEO.7> What about hardware? <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> The HiSoft tools are being "Falcon'd" as we speak! Pure C is also a powerful package from Gribnif, that gives you what you need!! <<[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I think Dave would like us to choose the Atari platform: TT or Falcon for current development. Actually, I don't see why you wouldn't support all Ataris, that would greatly increase your potential customer base. Thanks Dave <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Is that helpful, Dave? <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> The Falcon holds vast new opportunities in multimedia related pursuits, there will be lots and lots of neat things you can dream up. So if they sell enough, making $30K/yr won't be too hard to accomplish. <[D. Stuart] AEO.7> Well, I was thinking in terms of the complete ATARI line, but asking after what machine would be best to do it on! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I think it's important to own the latest hardware, but also to have a variety of beta testers using different systems. <[D. Stuart] AEO.7> It would seem reasonable to use the FALCON provided the end results will run on a ST 1040! <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Don't look at it that way, the Falcon will be a whole NEW market, and have a whole NEW audience, the best opportunities are in making the best of the new machines super duper attributes!!! Ok, on to Mike. Go Mike. <[Curious Cat] MIKE-ALLEN> For GRIBNIF: What is the future of NeoDesk under TOS 4.x? I assume you'll find things that Atari has left out. Any REMOTE chance of English Docs for Pure C? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Dan, this one is for you. <[Dan - IAAD] GRIBNIF> Mike, NeoDesk 3.03 (which is now ready) does work with MultiTOS but you'll have to wait for NeoDesk 4 for some of the really hot new features of MultiTOS to become apparent. As for Pure C docs in English, no, unfortunately the agreement that Pure Software has with Borland Germany does not permit this. However, I have not found this to be a major drawback, as I (like most Atari programmers) have lots of other sources of info. <[Curious Cat] MIKE-ALLEN> Thanks, Dan. One more .I understand that there was a mention of the F030 on last weeks Computer Chronicles. I missed it, although I understand they said the F030 delivery was July - did any one see CC and are there any comments? <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> No mention that I saw? <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> I did not see it Mike. Anyone?. <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> I think we'll have to ask in the BB and see if the episode you saw originated in the twilight zone. :-) <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I'm not familiar with it either. Thanks Mike <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I believe Hutch has an announcement regarding his products... Go Hutch <[IAAD Member] FAIR-DINKUM> Thanks, Dorothy, Brian. We've got a couple of announcements. First, at long last, Crossword Creator II now has a FINAL quality print driver for HP printers... DeskJet and LaserJets included. Next, Cyberdrome-The Hoverjet Simulator has a brand new revision 1.1 available which includes enhanced hallway graphics in the memory mines and a new X-Weapon. Great stuff. Both are available for just $5 for registered users. Lastly... Hopefully, next month we will have a significant announcement of a MAJOR new product which will be of great interest to all Atari programmers out there. Stay tuned. Thanks to all. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Mark O'Bryan of Paradigm has some comments, too... Thanks Hutch. you are next Mark... <[IAAD Mark] M.OBRYAN1> Thanks. We offer a universal MIDI librarian, called Omni-Banker ST, that supports scads of different instruments from over 50 manufacturers. Scads is defined as >350+ as of version 1.7. Principle features of Omni-Banker are its ease of use, it's ability to run as a DA, so you can load & audition new sounds without leaving your sequencer, and support of lots of gear that's not popular enough for anybody else to do it. Check out our listing in Atari's new International Software catalog, or give us, Paradigm, a call at (616) 372-5972. Thanks. Dorothy. Thanks Mark! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Glad you mentioned the International Software Catalog, Mark. I think it's an excellent resource for all Atarians! <[IAAD Chris r] DRAGONWARE> DragonWare is looking for good application software to market under the DragonWare name. Interested developers please send GE-Mail to DRAGONWARE. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Call Overscan Chris...they need a US distributor. <[IAAD Chris r] DRAGONWARE> Thanks Dot, and Brian . We hope to expand the DragonWare line to a full fifty Atari products by the end of '93. Thanks Chris! We're drawing to a close for the formal portion of the IAAD RTC. Before I put the room into Frenzy Mode, do you have any closing words, Dot? If any of you other developers have a final comment then please /send to me NOW? <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I believe all of the present Board members have some final words. ;-) Nathan, you're on! <[IAAD Board] POTECHIN> Thank you. As you can determine from the many and varied questions and answers tonight, the IAAD is made up of members from all aspects of the development community. Dorothy mentioned the membership requirements earlier. A complete list of the IAAD members is available in the library for your downloading pleasure. ALL members are available right here on GEnie on a regular basis to offer complete and responsive support to all of their product line. We invite your questions and answers and thank you all for attending this evening. Jim? How'd I do Dorothy? ;-) Thanks for hosting us Brian. <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Good night Gracie. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> Well put, Jim! <[IAAD Member] J.ALLEN27> Thanks for coming, we're all over the RT BB so anytime you need help just scream and one of us will be there!! <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I'd like to thank Brian. It's been a strange and hectic RTC and he's done a fantastic job, all things considered. Thanks Dot. <[IAAD Prez] D.A.BRUMLEVE> I'd also like to add that any developers interested in joining our group may apply to PERMIT$ in GEMail. We welcome information from user groups and others who would like to communicate with many devs at once. I wish to thank you Dot and ALL of the other developers for attending tonight RTC. I also wish to thank all the attendees for their questions and patience. In frenzy mode ...now! ************************************************************************ Post Conference Information ------------------------------------------------------------------------ <[Curious Cat] MIKE-ALLEN> As the recent sysop for the Sunday Nite Help RTC 9 pm EST (7pm MST - The forgotten time zone) I'd like to invite everyone to drop by. Often the questions have to do with your products. I surely would appreciate having you drop by once in a while to help me out! Thanks, <[IAAD Member] MLAKE> For a complete horse racing simulation call TEAM Software at 703-533-2132 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Independent Association of Atari Developers (IAAD) Board and members who attended were: Dorothy Brumleve of D.A. Brumleve, President of the IAAD, Nathan Potechin of DMC Publishing, Jim Allen of FAST Technology, Nevin Shalit of Step Ahead Software Inc., Doug Wheeler of ICD Inc., John Eidsvoog and Charles Johnson of CodeHead Technologies, Chris Roberts of Dragonware, John Trautschold of Missionware, David Fletcher of Ditek, Craig Harvey of Clear Thinking, John Cole, John Stanford, and Lee Seiler of Lexicor, David Beckemeyer of Beckemeyer Development Tools, Mark O'Bryan of Paradigm Software Products, John 'Hutch' Hutchinson of Fair Dinkum Technologies, Greg Kopchak of It's All Relative, Marshall Lake of TEAM Software, "Dr. Bob" Parks of Dr. Bobware, Charles Smeton of NewSTar Technology Management Dan Wilga of Gribnif Software Norm Weinress of Weinress Consulting. Jim Yegerlehne of Apprentice Software For a complete list of ALL IAAD members please refer to file number 27187 (IAAD_DIR.ARC) in the ATARI ST Round Table library on GEnie. ======================================================================= You are also invited to drop in on Monday or Wednesday evenings each week. Numerous developers attend on those nights too! All Real Time Conferences begin at 10:00 p.m. Eastern Time. =======================================================================