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The picture viewing and manipulating program Dieter Fiebelkorn. 209 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 1 Fri May 07, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:25 EDT ----------------------- OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ------------------------ N E W D I S T R I B U T O R F O R .______. ._____. .__ __. ._. __.._. ._____. ._. __ / ._____! | .___! | \ / | | | / / | | | .___! | | ._. / / | | .__. | !__. | . \/ . | ._. | | / / | | | !__. | | / | / / | | !_ | | .__! | |\ /| | !_! | | / / | | | .__! | | / ! | / / | !___! | | !___. | | \/ | | | |/ / | ! | !___. | |/ /| |/ / \.___/!_! !_____! !_! !_! !___/ !_! !_____! !___/ !___/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Cybercube Research Limited, Canada has acquired the exclusive rights to distribute Dieter Fiebelkorn's GEM-View in North America. Effective immediately, Cybercube Research Ltd. will solely handle all customer support, registration, upgrade and marketing related issues. The existing versions of GEM-View will remain SHAREWARE while the new versions will only be available as a COMMERCIAL product. For more information about our extensive upgrade policy, a full list of the new and extended features, the next release or pricing simply refer to our upcoming GEM-View press releases. If you have any additional questions, please send your e-mail to CYBERCUBE or contact us at: Cybercube Research Limited 126 Grenadier Crescent Thornhill, Ontario, Canada, L4J 7V7 Tel. (416) 882 0294 Fax (416) 886 3261 BBS (416) 882 5895 GEnie CYBERCUBE We would like to thank all GEM-View users for their continued support and look forward to a exciting and new co-operation. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 2 Tue Jun 22, 1993 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 09:23 EDT INET# Document Id: UX010.BUX0001328 Item 2722874 93/06/22 10:09 From: FIEBELKO@CHARLY.INFORMATIK.UNI-DORT@INET# To: DARLAH Darlah Potechin Sub: offical announcement From fiebelko@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Tue Jun 22 13:11:05 1993 Received: from waldorf.Informatik.uni-dortmund.de by relay2.geis.com with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA23183; Tue, 22 Jun 93 13:11:05 +0100 Received: from charly.Informatik.uni-dortmund.de by waldorf.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UniDo 1.0.28) id AA25633; Tue, 22 Jun 93 14:09:32 +0200 Message-Id: <9306221209.AA20854@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de> Received: from loopback by charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de id AA20854; Tue, 22 Jun 93 14:09:30 +0200 To: darlah@genie.geis.com, cybercube.research@canrem.com, drnibble@wpi.WPI.EDU Cc: fiebelko@charly.informatik.uni-dortmund.de Subject: offical announcement In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 08 May 93 20:42:00 -0400. <9305090045.AA19655@relay1.geis.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 93 14:09:29 N From: Dieter Fiebelkorn For GEnie.Graphics.GEM-View: It is allowed to upload newer versions into GEnie. --------- All agreements with Cybercube Research Limited are herewith reinstated. Cybercube has been granted the right to collect and bundle registration applications on my behalf. Cybercube will send these applications to my address in Germany for registration. Lexicor requested the right to provide customer support. Lexicor has been granted the right to explain the registration procedure on my behalf. However, Lexicor is not authorized to accept or relay any registration applications, cheques or payments. 1) The SHAREWARE versions of GEM-View may be freely copied. These copies of GEM-View must be provided as: a) a SHAREWARE product, and b) free of charge. In case the GEM-View copy is being requested by mail, a maximum $3 shipping and handling fee may apply. 2) All interested users may discuss GEM-View related topics. Efforts to explain the formalities of the registration process will be kindly appreciated. Discussions must be limited to the existing and available SHAREWARE versions. The creation of any new GEM-View forum or topic requires my prior written permission. 3) The right to accept registration applications and the handling of such applications requires my prior written permission and may be obtained if applied for. No charges greater than $1 per GEM-View copy should incur to the user due to such services. 4) I will solely and personally handle all registrations of the SHAREWARE versions. The user will, depending on the version, either receive a personalized registered copy or his personal registration key directly from me. The party that collected and bundled the registration applications will not be involved in the actual registration process. 5) GEM-View must always be provided on its own disk(s). If GEM-View is being distributed on a disk or disks containing files or applications which are not a part of the existing GEM-View package, a special file containing an appropriate copyright notice must be obtained through me and added on the same disk(s) along with the other GEM-View files. Users that obtain their copy of GEM-View from such disks still have to register their copy. It is not allowed to include the registration fee in the price of the disk containing the GEM-View package. In all cases, I require prior notification of any intentions to provide GEM-View in conjunction with other files, applications or utilities and a copy of such a disk must be forwarded to my address. 6) Any interested party may compile and distribute any form of documentation for GEM-View. Special care must be excercised to make the user aware of the fact that he still has to register his copy of GEM-View even if he acquires any such documentation. - customers must be made aware of the additional registration. - if the documentation is being provided in printed form: a special notice on the cover page must be included, stating that an independend third party is responsible for the contents and that the author of GEM-View was not involved with the process of compiling the documentation. - if the documentation is being provided on a disk or other form of electronic media: a a special notice on a highly visible area (e.g. label) must be included, stating that an independend third party is responsible for the contents and that the author of GEM-View was not involved with the process of compiling the documentation. - If the customer requests both, the documentation and a copy of GEM-View at the same time, the distributor/retailer must make sure to avoid any suggestion or impression that the customer aquired the rights on the GEM-View program as well. The customer still has to separately register his copy. I would greatly appreciate the receipt of a sample of any such documentations made available for GEM-View users. 7) All of the above listed rules apply to the SHAREWARE versions of GEM-View only. These are (at the present date) all versions up to and including 2.30! SHAREWARE versions can be easily identified in the dialog box 'About GEM-View'. Dieter Fiebelkorn, 22.06.1993 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Dieter Fiebelkorn | | Gruener Weg 29a | | D(W)-4370 Marl 1 (Germany) +---------------------------+ | 1. Juli 1993: D-45768 Marl (Germany) | With a rubber duck :-) | | fiebelko@sally.informatik.uni-dortmund.de | one's never alone! :^{ | ----------------------------------------------+---------------------------- =END= ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 3 Thu Sep 09, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:19 EDT Greetings, before we start to discuss all the new messages, I would like to announce a couple of changes: Effectively immediately, Cybercube Research Limited will handle all GEM-View Registration related issues directly from Toronto. We have entered a new licensing agreement with Dieter Fiebelkorn and we have obtained the right to send you your personal registered copies of GEM-View. This will speed up the registration process and make things a little easier for all. If you would like to take advantage of the new registration options, you just have to send your request and your registration fee to: Cybercube Research Ltd. 126 Grenadier Cr. Thornhill, ONT, L4J 7V7 Canada. Please mark your payment CLEARLY and make your cheque or money order payable to Cybercube. If you prefer to register through Dieter in Germany, please follow the instructions in the GEM-View documentation. Registration fee for GEM-View 2.4x is U.S. $30 or Cdn $42 (includes all applicable taxes). Should you have any additional questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. Simply send e-mail to CYBERCUBE, or leave a post in this topic. Thank you! OK, here are the answers to your posts: Dave B., More than 4 or 16 colors on a regular ST: We've discussed this a couple of times, Dave. But you have to understand that GEM-View is a GEM based program. It is designed to work on any Atari compatible machine, beginning from the ST up to the Falcon. Dieter has taken great care to adhere to all the GEM guidelines and programming rules, to make his program as flexible and verstile as possible. Adopting the program to utilize some specific features on one machine will ultimately result in total incompatibility on other systems. GEM-View offers a wide variety of dithering modes to compensate for those shortcomings in certain video modes. These features have been constantly improved to provide a better display quality. We will concider your suggestion and maybe if there is enough response, there might also be a specialized version that can display more colors on the regular machines. Please note that this is just speculative, but if you would like to see such a product, drum up some support, get people interested and we will try to do our best to cater to your needs. *,* \_/ J.BRENNER1, glad you found the ENGLISH documentation. The error message you mentioned says: 'NOT ENOUGH MEMORY'. Sorry that this slipped through, I will notify Dieter that he still has some GERMAN error messages in the installation program. +.+ \_/ When you try to install GEM-View and you repeatedly get that message, try to remove all unnecessary *.ACC files and AUTO folder programs (Just as long as you install GEM-View). Afterwards you should be able to run GEM-View as long as you have approx. 400 KB of free RAM (depends largely on the type of images you want to display!). Please let me know if your installation still fails after those mentioned changes! Jim, congratulations to your registered copy! I am glad you liked the service. *,* \_/ I will forward your thanks to Dieter. Bob, thanks for helping out. Seems I should have read the messages till the end... *,< \_/ OK guys, what a message this has become. Hope you don't mind me talking that lot. If you prefer small, tiny, little messages... just let me know! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 4 Thu Sep 23, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 18:58 EDT Joey, You can also use the F1, F2 & F3 keys to change the picture background. F1= Clear F2= Grey F3= Black ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 5 Thu Sep 23, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 23:57 EDT Bob, thanks for the tip. Now I got a chance to learn something too. *grin* Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 6 Fri Sep 24, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 05:10 EDT Both you guys are right, it actually works!:-) It's close to what I wanted, there's still a white border. It needs to turn the 0 color black so the border turns black as well. The reason I'm suggesting this is the white is distracting when your trying to adjust the color values and brightness. I prefer a solid black background. Ralf, I thought of a format I would like to see added. The Seurat IMG format. If you need the actual format specs I have them. It works just like normal IMG except it uses the register color palette instead of VDI color palette and the image is stored 1 complete bit-plane at a time. They actually load into GEMview but they appear as four stacked black and white images. GEMview doesn't assemble them correctly. In other words it wouldn't take much to fix it.:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 7 Fri Sep 24, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:31 EDT Joey, I am a bit confused about what you said in respect to the white border. Since you can select three different background styles (clear, grey and black) there should always be the perfect color match be available. If you suspect that there might be a color problem, use the GEM-View COLORS setting and set it to 240 (256-16... to really preserve the system colors 0-15) and then save this new configuration. Seurat IMG files: OK, I will look into that as well. But believe me, the *.IMG handling with all it's substandards has become rather complex in the meantime. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 8 Sat Sep 25, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 07:18 EDT Ralf, The background gets set to Black but the monitors non resolution area stays white. I haven't checked but I can probably just swap my colors on my desktop. Now 0 is White and 1 is Black. I'm assuming GEMview fills the screen with color 1 for the background so color 0 leaves the unused border white. Does that make sense?:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 9 Sat Sep 25, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 13:05 EDT Joey, Buy saying "non resolution area of the monitor" do you mean the outter edges of the screen ? If you do, my non resolution area is always black not white. When I use the black fill the whole screen is black except where the picture is of coarse. :>) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 10 Sat Sep 25, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 14:35 EDT Joey, Yes, I'm almost certain it has to do with the way your palette is set up. If you swap the two primary colors (giving you white on black), I'll bet you'll get a completely black background, including borders. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 11 Sun Sep 26, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 01:28 EDT Yeap, swapping my colors work but then all my windows are White text on Black backgrounds.:-) What would be nice is Atari's Color CPX would allow you to save different palettes! Is there away to save a default palette in GEMview? Think I'll go check that out... ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 12 Sun Sep 26, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 12:46 EDT Joey, If you have Warp 9, it would be a simple matter to set up a background picture for GEM-View that has the colors you want. Or, you can use CFJ's shareware Desk Switch to load the settings of any *.INF, so that you can change your colors prior to loading GEM-View. What's especially nice about Desk Switch is that it takes up NO memory. __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 13 Sun Sep 26, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 13:24 EDT Ralf, GEM-View 2.46 seems to have some problems reading TIF files created with ImageCopy 2.01 from ST Club. I spent the better part of day futzing with this. If you want more detail, I'll put it on paper and mail it. It would make for a horrendously long post. Ken S. PS- Is there a way to get GEM-View to convert a color TIF to monochrome TIF without dithering? Whatever the compatibility problem is, getting some of the screwed up files converted was a piece of cake, and the results were exactly what I wanted. So far the dithering steps I've tried have not given me what I wanted. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 14 Mon Sep 27, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:27 EDT Joey, please clarify: what mode are you trying to use when you get the problem with the white border areas ? Ken, I haven't heard about this particular TIF problem. But there are quite a number of different ways you can save TIFs, and making sure you have a routine that loads them all takes some efforts and time. Are there any source images here on GEnie that produce the same effect ? If so, can you point out at least one image so that we can test this ? Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 15 Mon Sep 27, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:18 EDT Ralf, I have no idea whether any of the TIF's on GEnie will load improperly. What I was doing was taking screen shots of the start up screen of Invision Elite 2.0 with Imagecopy 2.01, and some were okay, some were not, some looked okay, but gave a warning message during loading, etc. Hmmm, let me think. I might experiment with creating a file to send you with my screen shots in it. I try not to upload files, because a) it is slooooow, and b) I login via long distance phone. Let me know if you want me to pursue this uploading to you. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 16 Tue Sep 28, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 03:59 EDT Just send a little tiny TIF file Ken. It shouldn't take a very big Image to find the problem if you can create one. Ralf, Let me experiment some I'm not sure which res it was... I believe it was TT Medium. I tried it in True Color last night and it worked perfect! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 17 Tue Sep 28, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:32 EDT Ken, check if the error still persists if you save a small portion of a TIF file (a few KB is probably enough!) Most of the time errors can be located very quickly if we have the images which caused the problem in the first place. You can also just U/L that test file into the GEnie library and we'll get it from there! Joey, I would have to check this, but I do not think that there is a way to control the white border in TT Mid other than setting color 0 to a new value. Remember, GEM-View is a GEM program and does not fiddle around with any of the registers. Just the plain OS calls. +.+ \_/ Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 18 Tue Sep 28, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 23:52 EDT Ralf and Joey, I'll create something in the next few days, and email to you. Any desires on the archiving method? Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 19 Wed Sep 29, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 03:06 EDT Ken, I like LZH.:-) Ralf, Dah... it dawned on me last night if your viewing a paletted image the colors are changed to match. It does stay black if the image doesn't use all the colors. My fault, Dieter did good.:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 21 Wed Sep 29, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:14 EDT Ken, anything is fine, ZOO, LZH, ZIP whatever suits you best. Joey, go into the RASTER or GLOBAL menu (I don't have GEM-View right in front of me right now) and set the number of colors in your system to e.g. 14 (if you are using 16 color modes) or 240 (if you are working with 256 colors. Then save your configuration. This will then preserve (some of) the system colors and avoid any changes to the colors used to draw the menus, windows and stuff... *,< \_/ Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 22 Wed Sep 29, 1993 R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 21:50 EDT Is GEMVIEW programmed to take advantage of a Math Coprocessor to speed up the display of graphics? I noticed it does one hell of a job, but at the same time, it is slow even on the Falcon. I'm just curious if a Math Co-Processor would speed this up. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 23 Thu Sep 30, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 05:45 EDT Ralf, Oh... good idea!:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 24 Thu Sep 30, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:23 EDT Rodney, Joey, how do you guys manage to be so fast ? You know more and better things even before Dieter announces the new features or completes the next release! *,* \_/ OK, seriously now. There are a lot of things in the making right now and you will see quite some changes happening to GEM-View in the coming weeks. But until these improvements are fully tested, I will have to ask you to be patient for a few more weeks. *.< \_/ GEM-View already makes good use of the JPEG DSP decoder on the Falcon and adding math co-processor support where it is feasible would be an very interesting idea. I'll forward your suggestion to Dieter. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 25 Fri Oct 01, 1993 R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 00:21 EDT Ralf, Thanks for the fast response! I have not registered Gem-View yet, but I intend to ASAP. If Gem View will take advantage of a FPU (Math Coprocessor) that would be fantastic. I mean the slot is suppose to be there and ready in the Falcon to just plug in, and if it speeds up graphics displays then why not right? I'd be interesting to see this incorperated into the next release. On another note, I've basically put aside all my existing Graphic Viewers with exception of a couple now since the Falcon is capable of much more than the previous software can handle. Thanks for the support! Rodney ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 26 Fri Oct 01, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 03:29 EDT Rodney, A Math chip speeds up math.:-) It definately helps out things that require heavy calculations like DynaCADD and Phoenix but very few things actually benefit from it. Don't buy one unless you have a program in mind that will use it. It won't affect the overall performance of your computer. In my experience about the only things that really reflect a difference is DynaCADD, Phoenix and Chronos. I think I also have a fractal program that takes advantage of it. It won't help graphics but it might help in uncompressing the pictures but then the DSP is suppose to excel in that area. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 27 Fri Oct 01, 1993 J.STANFORD2 [John] at 04:44 EDT Rodney, To elaborate on what Joey said, a FPU chip speeds up FLOATING POINT math (numbers with decimal points) and does nothing for integer math (whole numbers). Naturally every algorithm is implementation specific so only Dieter can answer, but typically image decompression, color fitting and the other main features of Gemview are based almost entirely on integer math. So therefore it seems unlikely to me that one would see much of a difference were Gemview to utilize a FPU. John ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 28 Fri Oct 01, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:53 EDT Rodney, we welcome any suggestions and we will discuss your idea with Dieter. However, in all the present GEM-View versions there was just a fraction of the calculations that actually were performed in floating point format. Most of it is, as other have already pointed out, based on integer arithmetics. GEM-View is not a collection of hand-optimized` routines. It is rather a very elaborate union of file format processing tools. GEM-View never set out to be the fastest file/image viewer. There might be other programs that have been tuned towards those type of applications that need the fastest response possible. This said, I want to assure you that Dieter takes every opportunity to improve the code and the processing speed whenever possible. It's continuous development has lead to an increadible versatile file/image viewer. Our hope is, that we can further improve it with your help. GEM-View 2.48 started shipping: All those of you that have registered over the last few days will automatically receive the new GEM-View 2.48 version. We would like to thank Robert A. Dolson, David R. Hamm, Herman A. Lueking, Lonny Pursell, Jim Austin, Fred J. Nelson, Bill Menach, Norman A. Taylor, Duane Brankley and all the others for registering your copies. Expect version 2.48 in the mail in the next few days. That's all for this week. Have a nice weekend! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 29 Fri Oct 01, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:57 EDT Oops, forgot to mention two things: 1. Some users have reported installation problems when using the GEM-View installation program that comes with version 2.46 These errors can be avoided by using the installation prgram from the 2.48 release. 2. We will U/L GEM-View 2.48 shortly so that all those that want to upgrade their revisions <=2.46 may download the file from the library at their own convenience. OK, hope I did not forget something again. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 30 Sat Oct 02, 1993 R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 02:15 EDT Joey, Thanks for the information on the Math Chip [:-)] I'm learning more about the DSP as well, and yes... I understand it really does speed up the display of graphics as well. Has anyone heard of a 040 upgrade for the Falcon yet? ---- John, I have a book on the way regarding the FPU. Thanks for the information regarding interger and Floating (decimal) asspects of the FPU. It would seem that decompression of some graphic formats would benefit from an FPU, I could be wrong still. --- Ralf, It would seem that I am alittle confused regarding FPU and compression. I had thought that an FPU would speed up 'decompression' of 'packed' graphic formats, as it does on compression programs for files... i.e. Zip, Lzh etc. Am I 'out to lunch' on this subject? GEM-View is awesome as is. There isn't a single program that I know of that can do all what GEM-View can do. Again, thanks for an excellent product. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 31 Sat Oct 02, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 04:04 EDT Rodney, Your welcome!:-) John, I just remembered something I came across the other night by accident. It might help you out when writing manuals. GEMview loads RSC files and lets you scroll through the dialogues and Icons, plus you can save them as raster images! That could come in really handy for programmers. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 32 Sat Oct 02, 1993 J.STANFORD2 [John] at 04:53 EDT Rodney, Actually ARC, LZH, ZIP, GIF, TIF, Targa and any other Lempel-Zif based compression/decompression are entirely integer based. Its pretty much a must for lossless compression, since as soon as you introduce floating point you encounter errors. I can't speak for lossy formats like JPEG though. Joey, Hey, thats pretty neat! I still think your Pixel Grabber utility is the best tool for that though! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 33 Sat Oct 02, 1993 DMJ [dmj] at 11:55 EDT JPEG is (I believe) based on a Discrete Cosine Transform, a wonderfully math- oriented (floating-point) process. A decompression routine written to take advantage of an FPU or DSP would decompress JPEG data faster. Fractal compression is also a math-intensive process, as far as I know... Just about everything else is integer-based (because just about everything else is lossless). -dmj ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 34 Mon Oct 04, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:59 EDT Rodney, thanks for your kind words about GEM-View. But you don't have to thank me for it, you have to thank Dieter. It's his program and we are just trying to give you a better support and faster feedback. Please read Damien's and John's excellent posts about the involvement of the FPU in the decompression processes. Thanks for helping out guys! Now, I have to talk a bit about some more unpleasant business. There have been a number of irritating and very misleading posts about GEM-View over the last little while and I would like to point out two things here. I would recommend to anybody interested in registering GEM-View, to read this topic (and related archives in the library). Further, those who still are in doubt about the registration process, might find some valuable insight by reading the GEM-View >=2.30 related press releases in library 14. We have so far tried to avoid any further controversy by ignoring the frequent attacks on Dieter Fiebelkorn's GEM-View. But the whole situation has reached a point where we see it necessary to post some of Dieter's comments regarding this very sad issue. The following is part of a file called AGREEMENT.TXT and can be found in any GEMVIEW.PAX archive (version 2.30 and up): ======== Genaral agreements for GEM-View outside of GERMANY ======== All agreements with Cybercube Research Limited are herewith reinstated. Cybercube has been granted the right to collect and bundle registration applications on my behalf. Cybercube will send these applications to my address in Germany for registration. Lexicor requested the right to provide customer support. Lexicor has been granted the right to explain the registration procedure on my behalf. However, Lexicor is not authorized to accept or relay any registration applications, cheques or payments. ... Dieter Fiebelkorn, June 25. 1993 ------------------------ Since Dieter's statement, we have been granted the right to handle all registration related issues directly from Toronto. This has been done in order to provide faster service and better support. I would welcome your comments regarding the kind of service we have provided. We are sincerely interested in discussing our past performance in order to provide an even better support in the future. Further, we hope that we can clear any remaining misunderstandings and continue with a more constructive discussion. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 35 Wed Oct 06, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 21:14 EDT The following is a transcript of a message we have received from Dieter Fielbelkorn concerning the recent confusion regarding the status and distribution of GEM-View. We have been asked to post this message here, so that all Atari and GEM-View users may have access to the latest informations in this issue: To: cybercube.research@canrem.com (Cybercube Research) Subject: FORWARD to GEnie and NEWS! Date: Tue, 05 Oct 93 12:27:14 N From: Dieter Fiebelkorn Hi folks, o Refer to 'DOCUMENT\ENGISH.DOC\AGREEMENT.TXT' to check how GEM-View may be copied and distributed. o Additions: - Cybercube has the exclusive right (in the meaning that they are presently the only party) to distribute GEM-View in North-America (USA & Canada). - Cybercube has the right to accept and handle registrations from all interested users in the USA and Canada. Cybercube may further handle registration requests outside the United States and Canada if the applicant is already a Cybercube customer. - GEM-View may be included in a third party utility package if it is being provided on its own disk and if I have granted such a right in writing. ALL GEM-VIEW FILES MUST BE INCLUDED ON SUCH DISKS. - I am further interested to sign up additional 'representatives/ distributors' in other countries. I am pursuing this idea to simplify the registration process and to provide better customer support. I would welcome any applications from intersted Atari users or Atari userclubs. Please mail your inquiries to: Dieter Fiebelkorn Gruener Weg 29a D-45768 Marl (Fed. Rep. of Germany) Dieter Fiebelkorn ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 36 Thu Oct 07, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:51 EDT Greetings, GEM-View 2.48 has been cleared and can now be downloaded from library 28. If you previously had some problems with the 2.46 install program, please try the 2.48 version (#30301). The new GEM-View release can be found in file #30303. For more details about the most recent changes, please consult the press release (#30308). Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 37 Sat Oct 16, 1993 B.AEIN [B Man] at 22:38 EDT I just Downloaded the latest GemView for my Falcon and found that the DSP is not speeding up GV. Is there a file that I need to get this to work? Please advise. Thanks Bman ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 38 Mon Oct 18, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:26 EDT Hi Bman, In order to speed up GEM-View on the Falcon, you also must have the DSP JPEG decoder (Brainstorm, France) installed. GEM-View has a built-in interface to utilize this external program. So, GEM-View won't just run faster when you run it on the Falcon. It needs a little help to accomplish this feat. I have not yet had a chance to check this myself, and I will ask Dieter for instruction on how and where to get this DSP JPEG decoder program. Ralf. Installation problems with GEM-View 2.46: A few users reported apparent problems with version 2.46. If you experienced such irregularities, we would like to hear about it. Release 2.48 is said to fix this install bug. Most errors occured on 4 MB 1040ST systems. If the error still persists, even after upgrading to 2.48, please send a bug report to CYBERCUBE. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 39 Sun Oct 24, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 17:38 EDT Joey, I thought I'd take this in the proper area. I'm sure you have it marked :-) I have successfully loaded the dinosaur with Gem-View on the Falcon. I guess I just had a corrupted file! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 40 Sun Oct 24, 1993 B.AEIN [B Man] at 20:59 EDT Any news on how to use the DSP for Jpegs? I have the Brain storm .LOD file, but don't know how to tell GV to use it. Bman ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 41 Mon Oct 25, 1993 REALM [Joey] at 02:27 EDT See Flat, Yeap, I'm here!:-) Glad you got it working! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 42 Tue Oct 26, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:34 EDT B Man isn't there a small paragraph about the installation and usage of the DSP JPEG decoder & GEM-View in the GEM-View documentation ? If not, I am going to check it out and post the results ASAP. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 43 Sun Oct 31, 1993 V.PETERS1 at 19:56 EST Where can I find Gemview? The last time I was on here I read a message saying it was file #28073, but now it's not here! I'm looking for something that will show >IMG files. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 44 Sun Oct 31, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 20:40 EST V.Peters, there are a number of image viewers available but if you want the latest GEM-View it is version 2.48. Check these files: >Number: 30308 Name: GEMVW248.ZIP >Address: CYBERCUBE Date: 931007 >Approximate # of bytes: 4992 >Number of Accesses: 145 Library: 14 >Description: >This PR announces the availability of Dieter Fiebelkorn's >GEM-View 2.48 (SHAREWARE). Also contains paragraphs describing >changes and additions, registration procedure and archive contents. > > >Number: 30301 Name: GV248INS.ZIP >Address: CYBERCUBE Date: 931006 >Approximate # of bytes: 29824 >Number of Accesses: 109 Library: 28 >Description: >This file contains the installation program for Dieter Fiebelkorn's >GEM-View 2.48 (SHAREWARE). Use latest version of ZIP utility to >extract this file. Also contains short text files describing major >changes and additions, registration procedure and archive contents. >For more details, registration procedures, general information, >also refer to GEMVW248.ZIP from library 14 (press releases). >Please note: This release offers a 14-days UNRESTRICTED Trial Period. >Make sure to get GVW_V248.PAX (file #30303) with this file! > >Number: 30303 Name: GVW_V248.PAX >Address: CYBERCUBE Date: 931006 >Approximate # of bytes: 358144 >Number of Accesses: 127 Library: 28 >Description: >This file contains Dieter Fiebelkorn's GEM-View 2.48 (SHAREWARE). >Use GV248INS.ZIP to extract this file. Also contains english docs >describing changes and additions. For registration procedure >and archive contents see GV248INS.ZIP. >Please note: This release offers a 14-days UNRESTRICTED Trial Period. >----------- >File is archived SPECIFICALLY for installation with GV248INS.APP > available as file #30301 > ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 45 Mon Nov 01, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:18 EST V.Peters, Lou, thanks for the help, Lou. V.Peters, please check the press release and the file descriptions for the details how to uncompress and install GEM-View on your system. If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask. *,* \_/ Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 46 Tue Nov 02, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:26 EST Hi, some users reported problems with the GVW_PIC0.PAX and GVW_TOL0.PAX files available here on GEnie. We could not determine any specific cause of these problems. Nonetheless, we will replace the files with fully tested versions. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 47 Tue Nov 02, 1993 S.SHIRLEY5 [Sam] at 21:08 EST Hello. Please excuse my ignorance if I am wrong. In the version of GEM-View I have(I'm not sure which), it seems that I am able to convert other image formats into GIF but not the other way around. Is this possible with the latest version of GEM-View? ie. Let's say convert a GIF into TIFF or PCX? ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 48 Wed Nov 03, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:18 EST Sam, yes, GEM-View does allow you to convert GIF pictures to TIFF images. I am not so sure about PCX. Have a look at the documentation of the last few versions. It tells you about the export formats. Right now, the currently available release is 2.48 . BTW, you can even process True Color pictures on a normal ST. Select the 'DO NOT SHOW' option of GEM-View, then load the 24 bit file, process it (like rotating, scaling, cropping, change colors, change brightness etc), then save it in any of the output formats (you can even convert an 24 bit image to a monochrome or 256 color file as you do that). Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 49 Wed Nov 03, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 19:05 EST Sam Gem View version 2.48 [Sept 2, 1993] converts GIF's to TIFF's and some other formats as well. Bob ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 50 Thu Nov 04, 1993 S.SHIRLEY5 [Sam] at 00:04 EST 24-bit on a normal ST? Interesting. Thanks. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 51 Thu Nov 04, 1993 J.ROBORECKY [RAILROAD] at 02:58 EST Ralf, I'm sorry that I might have mislead you about the two files in question. I did not download the files from GEnie, the files were on my registered GEM- View disk (v 2.48), that you sent to me after I sent in my shareware payment. I hope this clears up the misunderstanding. Joe. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 52 Thu Nov 04, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:45 EST RAILROAD, or Joe... sorry that I didn't realize this earlier. *,* \_/ Do the new files work now? Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 53 Thu Nov 04, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:46 EST Gregg, if you would like to register GEM-View, please send US $30 (cheque or money order) to: Cybercube Research Ltd, 126 Grenadier Cr, Thornhill, Ontario, L4J 7V7, Canada. Please mark your payment clearly and make your cheque payable to Cybercube. We will then send you a personalized disk with the latest version of GEM-View. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 54 Fri Nov 05, 1993 S.SHIRLEY5 [Sam] at 00:37 EST 24-bit images on an ST? Now that's interesting. Thanks. I'm going to d/l it. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 55 Fri Nov 05, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:31 EST Sam, yep, but although GEM-View will do it's best to try to dither any images you choose, we recommend that you use the 'DO NOT SHOW' option in order to speed up the process if you are working on a ST. If you have any more questions, please let me know. Reducing the number of colors in any image: GEM-View offers you the unique ability to actually set the max. number of colors you would like to have in a image. Once you select a number that is lower than the # of colors in the corresponding image, GEM-View will use several techniques to reduce the colors to an optimum approximation of the original. This feature is really great if you are 'pasting' several images together and you have e.g. only 256 colors in total to work with. How to use the DSP JPEG decoder on the Falcon: You will need: The Brainstorm DSP JPEG decoder program called DJPEG.PRG and a copy of GEM-View. Installation: Simply copy the DJPEG.PRG file into your \AUTO\ folder. Reset your Falcon. Next, start GEM-View. Open the Extra|Global dialog and select the USE DSP option. This will instruct GEM-View to use the faster DSP JPEG decoder routines every time you load a JPEG image. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 56 Thu Nov 18, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:00 EST Major new GEM-View upgrade pending: The GEM-View 3.0 BETA testing phase has been completed successfully. We will upload the exciting new GEM-View 3.01 release shortly. Watch out for the next GEM-View press release. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 57 Mon Nov 22, 1993 T.MAGEE1 [Todd] at 20:30 EST What is the newest version of GemView and how much is it and where do I send my payment? I am very interested in getting it. Todd ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 58 Mon Nov 22, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:47 EST Hi Todd, the latest version is GEM-View 3.01. This represents a major upgrade and I would recommend that everybody interested in this upgrade should have a look at the GEM-View 3.01 Press Release we are going to U/L today. It contains all the details about the new version. To register, please send your us US $30 (Cdn $42) to: Cybercube Research Ltd. 126 Grenadier Crescent Thornhill, Ontario L4J 7V7, Canada Please mark your payment clearly, and make cheques payable to Cybercube. The best thing is: there is _NO_ increase in price nor any additional upgrade fee if you want to upgrade/register now! Again, please look for the GEM-View 3.01 Press Release to be available shortly in library 14! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 59 Tue Nov 23, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:49 EST GEM-View 3.01: We will U/L GEM-View 3.01 shortly. Yep, we skipped 3.00. Why? Unfortunately an error occured during the compilation of the main *.PAX (GEM-View archive) file, which lead to some erratic behavior, once you left GEM-View alone for a few minutes. (talk about a program with it's own mind). *,* \_/ Dieter regrets the inconvenience this may have caused, but assured us that the new 3.01 version does not display this fault anymore. Please refer to the GEM-View 3.01 press release for more details about the new and improved release. New GEM-View 3.xx modules: GEM-View 3.xx is now modular. All file format processing features have been moved into seperate modules, increasing GEM-View's flexibility and providing the necessary framework for a greater variety of loading, processing, converting, saving and printing modules. This week, we've are pleased to announce the availability of these new modules: HP DESKJET PRINTER DRIVER for GEM-View 3.xx - supports B&W, YMC and YMCK printouts. - produces printouts with 75, 100, 150 and 300 dpi - images can be positioned at 9 different spots - brightness of the output can be increased from 0-18% InShape IIM LOAD DRIVER MODULE for GEM-View 3.xx - supports InShape image files of the following types: * duochrome * greyscale * true color InShape IIM SAVE DRIVER MODULE for GEM-View 3.xx - outputs InShape image files of these formats: * duochrome * greyscale * true color Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 60 Wed Nov 24, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 00:47 EST Ralf, what do you mean exactly > outputs InShape image files ? >* duochrome >* greyscale >* true color Can Gem View load the InShape format, and convert it to true color TGA ? John ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 61 Wed Nov 24, 1993 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 09:28 EST Ralf: Looking forward to seeing 3.01 vers. I saw the press release and was hoping. Perhaps I better check out the library this morning to see if it has been uploaded. Thank you! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 62 Wed Nov 24, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:15 EST John, yes, GEM-View 3.01 can import all three types of the InShape IIM images. From then on, it's up to you what you do with it. *,* \_/ You can process the images in any way you like (add/reduce colors, scale, rotate etc) and then save it in one of the many available GEM-View output formats. It's that simple. Darlah, I'll U/L the complete package ASAP. GEM-View 3.01 consists of four *.PAX (GEM-View archive files) and one installation/help ZIP file. This new release is definetely the biggest and best update yet. A must have! /// *,* \_/ Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 63 Wed Nov 24, 1993 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 19:37 EST Looking forward to it, Ralf! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 64 Thu Nov 25, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:51 EST Darlah, we will U/L GEM-View 3.01 ASAP. We are checking all the files, archives the documentation and the file sizes. As soon as this process has been completed, we will upload this interesting new upgrade. e HP DeskJet Drivers will be available as FREEWARE: The new Color/B&W DeskJet Module for GEM-View 3.01 will be made available as FREEWARE. The modules will be supplied as binaries only. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 65 Wed Dec 01, 1993 JIM.K [Jim~ST Sysop] at 15:43 EST Ralf, I thought you were going to upload v3.1 of GEMview. I've been waiting patiently for it. Did I miss it? Jim Kudron ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 66 Wed Dec 01, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 23:13 EST Jim, no you did not miss it. Sorry, we've been kind of tied up with too many things that have to be done... or should already be out of the door... *,* \_/ I hope I will find some more time towards the end of the week to try again and U/L 3.01 (all was prepared to U/L 3.00 just as the order to stop it came in). But it will be worth your while! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 67 Wed Dec 01, 1993 T.MAGEE1 [Todd] at 23:25 EST Will Gemview 3.01 diasplay .RAW files or Photochrome .PCS files? Todd ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 68 Thu Dec 02, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 21:47 EST Todd, since GEM-View has been changed into a modular system, we've seen a sudden increase of drivers and additional modules to support all kinds of formats. There is a whole _SET_ of modules pending that will support a number of different Atari specific formats. I'll check if the types you asked about will be included. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 69 Fri Dec 03, 1993 T.MAGEE1 [Todd] at 02:35 EST When will Gemview 3.01 be ready to ship? I sent in my check already. Could you list all the modules coming out? And how do we get these modules? Todd ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 70 Fri Dec 03, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:46 EST Todd, as of today, GEM-View 3.01 is shipping! And we U/L the free 14-days TRIAL version here on GEnie as well... so watch the new uploads listing! GEM-View 3.01 already comes with a list of standard modules. I don't have the list handy right now, but you can get a pretty good idea by looking at version 2.48... all the previous formats are there plus a couple of new things! Additional modules will be uploaded by the parties that create or handle them. We've just U/L the InShape modules and you will see more coming in the next little while!@ *,* \_/ Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 71 Fri Dec 03, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 21:50 EST Ralf, For those who have already paid, will our "secrect number" convert the new modular version to something more that a 14 day program? Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 72 Fri Dec 03, 1993 T.MAGEE1 [Todd] at 23:04 EST Is my copy of Gem-View 3.01 in the mail? Don't I have to be regiterwed or something for that 14-day trial version to work? Todd ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 73 Sat Dec 04, 1993 R.BENNETT7 [Rodney] at 01:42 EST I like to see GemView support .EPS 'color' formats as well. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 74 Sat Dec 04, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 13:40 EST Did I miss something in the files? There's file 30955 GVW_DOC1.PAX, 30956 GVW_MDL1.PAX & 30957 GVW_TOL1.PAX, but I can't seem to find GVW_V301.PAX. Is it lost or did it not get uploaded yet? Is the old 248 instal program still good or do I need the new 301 install program? Bob ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 75 Sat Dec 04, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 18:51 EST I just found GVW_V301.PAX it file #30967. It was just released this afternoon. The 248 GVW_INST.APP works just fine to unpack the 301>PAX files and you can use your "secret" numbers if you're registered, so that you remove the 14 day limit. *,* \_/ Bob ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 76 Sun Dec 05, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 00:58 EST Todd, your copy is in the mail. It should arrive shortly. You do not need a personal code to activate the 14-days FREE Trial Period offered by GEM-View. *,< \_/ Bob, glad to hear that the installation worked fine for you. Enjoy your new version of GEM-View! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 77 Sun Dec 05, 1993 T.MAGEE1 [Todd] at 02:55 EST I have looked at the 14-day trial GemView, and was wondering, is there something out there that will let me print to my HP Deskjet 500? I am very interested in printing stuff. I am glad 3.01 is faster at JPEG files. nice improvement! Todd ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 78 Sun Dec 05, 1993 OUTRIDER [Terry] at 15:19 EST Todd, Look for PrintAll (PRINTALL.ZIP?) in the Library. It is an _excellent_ program for printing pictures on the DJ500! __ /erry .\\ay ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 79 Sun Dec 05, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 20:39 EST Ralf, I'm getting very near the day of registration for GEM-View. I don't mean the test period either. I mean that now that I have a color card I need such an application. I have been testing it a little and I guess that is what I need at this point. I do find it slow though. Is this something that is built into the demo. If so how much faster is the registered version. Also, I assume the registration fee gets us version 3.01. Can I Email you credit card account or do I have to send you a check? John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 80 Sun Dec 05, 1993 T.MAGEE1 [Todd] at 22:08 EST Thanks, Terry. What I want to find out is if there is a module or somerthing for use with Gemview for printing pictures on my DJ500 using Gemview. I thought there was. Todd ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 81 Wed Dec 08, 1993 J.ROGOZINSK2 [Rogo] at 18:04 EST I just sent my check to register GEM-View 3.01 this morning but I have a question. Does Cybercube send me the program and modules on disks or am I suppose to download GEM-View and the related files and Cybercube send me some sort of 'key' or 'personal code' or unlocking program? Thanks for any information. === Joe Rogo === Wednesday, December 8, 1993 4:10 pm ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 82 Thu Dec 09, 1993 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 18:42 EST Rogo, When you register Gem-View you will receive a disk in the mail with your own personal code on it and the "latest" version with all the modules, pictures etc. Bob ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 83 Sat Dec 11, 1993 J.ROGOZINSK2 [Rogo] at 10:12 EST >Message 82 >R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] > >When you register Gem-View you will receive a disk in the mail with >your own personal code on it and the "latest" version with all the >modules, pictures etc. > Bob, Thanks for the info, now I just have to wait. :) === Joc@ j Saturday, December 11, 1993 9:23 am ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 84 Sun Dec 12, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 11:12 EST Ralf is currently on a business trip in Germany but will be back by the December 22, at which point he will be happy to answer your questions. Regards, Ulrich Cybercube Research, Ltd. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 85 Fri Dec 24, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 11:15 EST Merry Christmas and a Joyous Holiday Season to you all! GEM-View 3.01 has been growing at a stunning pace and there are many new modules ahead in '94. We hope to see you all again next year and we would like to thank all user's and supporters for their patronage. On behalf of Dieter and the entire Cybercube Team, enjoy your Holidays! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 86 Sat Dec 25, 1993 D.FARRINGTO1 [David <>< .] at 15:43 EST SYOPS: It looks like time to change the topic title since GEM-view is now at 3.xx. David <>< ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 87 Sat Dec 25, 1993 BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp] at 23:34 EST Done. It now just say GEm-View. ~~Brian..Written on Sunday 26 December 1993 at 00:31 a.m. ADT ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 88 Sun Dec 26, 1993 JWKUEHN [Wolf] at 22:31 EST I have sent in my registration fee 3 weeks ago and not received the new version as yet. Is it just a delay caused by the Christmas rush? I am looking forward to receiving the program. Wolf ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 89 Mon Dec 27, 1993 ATARIAUSTRIA [J.Widi] at 17:37 EST Hi! Has anyone else experienced strange behaviour of Gem-View 3.01 when installed as an accessory? Whenever I call up the fileselector it displays the text 'Gem-(X)Image' where the file path should be visible. In fact it displays whatever GEMVIEW.INF does assign to the 'DfltSavingMono'-Variable. Changing the drive produces a path like 'D:\GEM-(X)IMAGE'. When I manually edit the path and then try to load any picture GemView exits with two bombs. I have already disabled all accessories and auto folder programs and use the original GEMVIEW.INF file that came with the distribution. I use a TT030 with 8 Megs of memory and TOS 3.06. The problems do not appear when I start Gem-View as an application. Can it be a defective copy? Any other ideas? Johannes ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 90 Mon Dec 27, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 18:13 EST Ralf, Can I pay myu registration fee for GEM-view with a credit card account number via Email? Lot's easier than a postal order thingy not to mention I save $0.42 postage. :-) John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 91 Tue Dec 28, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:49 EST Wolf, I just went through the stack of orders and registrations that came in... it's all a bit confusing due to the Holidays but we'll be back to normal in a couple of days... yep, got your order here. It will be processed ASAP. Thanks for asking. Johannes, thanks for the bug report. No, we didn't know of any such problems till you mentioned them. I'll check it out and send a message about this to Dieter. John B., sorry, we do not accept any credit card payments for GEM-View. Cheque or money order are preferred. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 92 Wed Dec 29, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 18:27 EST Ralf, I guess I'll send you a check then. Credit cards seem so much more efficient that I'm surprised you do not offer the service. While you were away I asked this question but I don't recall getting an answer. Is the registered version of GEM-view faster than the un-registered one. I'm very impressed with GEM-view. I'think that I've only scratched the surface of it's usefulness. John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 93 Wed Dec 29, 1993 D.HELMICK [Dan] at 20:58 EST Now that we have this terrific new version of GEM-View, is there any chance Dieter can turn out a PCX export module for us Ambiance users? Fantastic as it might be in true color mode, the ordered dithering of Studio Photo just doesn't cut it for my desktop... Dan ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 94 Fri Dec 31, 1993 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:29 EST John B., the GEM-View registration service we offer is handled separately from our other business operations. Credit card payments are being considered. There will be quite some changes in '94, maybe this is one of them. Thanks for your input. *,* \_/ Speed: There is no speed difference between the registered/unregistered versions of GEM-View. However, V3.01 now offers GIF uncompressing at speeds up to 500% faster than the previous versions. JPEG decoding and many other functions have been optimized and run faster as well. Dan, after we've designed the *.IIM import/export drivers, we are now working on the *.PCX export stuff. Guess why! *grin* In the meantime, have a look at the new HP Deskjet 500/550 drivers we'll upload today. Sort of a nice New Year's present for all GEM-View 3.xx users. On behalf of the Dieter and the entire Cybercube team, have a Happy New Year and all the best for '94! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 95 Fri Dec 31, 1993 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 20:12 EST Ralf, Version 2.46 had settings for converting to greyscales. Did it get left out of 3.01, or have I just not found them? Enjoy the new year. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 96 Fri Dec 31, 1993 C.CASSADAY [Parrot Head] at 21:30 EST Ralf, I was just wondering if you've received my order for GEM-View 3.01. I sent it in on or about December 6. Could you please update me? /\----/\ | * * | The Orginal | /\ | Robot Parrot \ \/ / Head ---- ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 97 Mon Jan 03, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:59 EST David, there are a lot of new parameters concerning the conversion and the dithering of images (in case you selected/activated them). Please look under your PRESET menu, then click on the COLOR DITHERING button. GEM-View will then open a completely new menu in which you can select a multitude of conversion options (you can set the number of colors, color scaling etc). Select something like NEAREST COLOR, then click on the GREY button. Load the image (it will be converted to greyscale). Now you can play with the scaling to adjust to your particular application! Chris, yes, we've got your order, and has already been shipped. *,< \_/ Thanks for your inquiry. (Nice parrot BTW!) *grin* Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 98 Mon Jan 03, 1994 D.HELMICK [Dan] at 19:08 EST Incidentally, Ralf, I _love_ the range of color dithering options in the new GEM-View! Statistical calculation of the colormap is perfect for squeezing every bit of color out of a 24-bit graphic. Great news about the coming PCX module, too! Dan ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 99 Mon Jan 03, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:28 EST Dan, Dieter made some great efforts to provide the best possible dithering and color adaption procedures for GEM-View. I think that especially users that do not have the ability of working in 256 color modes or even Hi-Color/True Color modes will benefit the most! The new range of options gives you unparalleled flexibility to determine the way HOW things will be displayed on your screen, no matter how many (or few for that matter) color you might have at your disposal! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 100 Tue Jan 04, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 03:11 EST Ralf, is there a way to make several image use the same pallete? Say I have three small GIF files and I want to use on screen. Can GEMview take the three Images and remap them using a composite palette from all three. It might be nice to have a Greyscale palette as well where all the images can be remapped to the same palette. Also how do you get the Mouse unstuck after you hit the right mouse button? Occasionally when i try to hold the rigth button and scroll the image the mouse will switch to Delta coordinates or something. I can't figure out how to get back to normal.:-) It pretty much kills the use of the mouse. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 101 Tue Jan 04, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 18:15 EST Ralf, got arround to sending the registration fee this morning. looking forward to seing what 3.xx looks like. So far, I've been most impressed with some Jpeg images of paintings I've d/l from the graphics RT. I've been hearing for so long that Jpeg wasn't very good. I guess everything is relative. These pics look wonderful. How does the upgrade path work once we have registered? Dieter seems to be improving this thing on a daily basis! :-) Until what version is shareware payment considered reasonable? John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 102 Tue Jan 04, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:48 EST Joey, go to the PRESET menu, select COLOR DITHERING, then switch on the NEAREST COLOR option and enable USER (TOP WINDOW). This will allow you to use the same color palette for several windows/images! I am a bit puzzled about your 'stuck mouse' problem. Can you be a bit more specific? John B., once you registered and got your own personal key, you simply need to D/L the update files, run the install program again, enter your key, install the new files and you got a complete NEW & UPDATED release! No additional charges. *,< \_/ Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 103 Tue Jan 04, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 23:40 EST Ralf, Stuck mouse happens to me also, except Joey seems to get Gem View to do something. Clicking on the right mouse button with the mouse cursor is inside the graphic window seems to simply lock things up for me. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 104 Tue Jan 04, 1994 C.CASSADAY [Parrot Head] at 23:56 EST Ralf, Just got my tax forms in the mail today, and preliminary indications show that I'm going to get back $500. That's half way to a Cyrel card. A perfect match for GEM-View. I'm starting to save as we speak... /\----/\ | * * | The Orginal | /\ | Robot Parrot \ \/ / Head ---- ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 105 Wed Jan 05, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:32 EST Go Parrat Head!!:-) Ralf, You place the cursor inside the Window then click the Right Mouse Button. Sometimes you can hold the Right mouse button down and the picture scrolls. Sometimes it changes the coordinate display to a little triangle 1,1. Which I think is delta 1? In other words I've set a new origin for the picture. After that I can't figure out how to get back control of the mouse. Nothing works but the keyboard. It's done this for several versions and at first I thought it was a bug until I noticed it switchs to little Delta's. Thanks for the info! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 106 Wed Jan 05, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 02:46 EST Ralf, really? That's nice......but what is Dieter going to use to buy groceries when everyone is registered? ;-) John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 107 Wed Jan 05, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:12 EST Ken, if you press the right mouse button withing the graphics window you should normally be able to 'scroll' the image around (supposed it is bigger than your window). Depending on the image size, you can sometimes 'see' a short lagtime. Chris, nice to hear that you get something back... most of us never see any 'return'. *,< \_/ Joey, hmmm... have to try this for myself and I'll let you know... strange. John B., well, Dieter always welcomes any kind of contributions, donations, thick envelopes (filled with bills)... you get the picture... +.+ \_/ Seriously, the whole concept only works if there are enough registrations, which in turn heavily depends on the honesty and the vision of our users. If you would like to see your platform supported (and I am not only speaking for GEM-View, PLEASE support your professional and shareware authors!) Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 108 Thu Jan 06, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:31 EST Joey, I've not been able to reproduce the 'delta' bug you reported. Can you tell me which type of image you were using and with which version of GEM-View ? Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 109 Fri Jan 07, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 04:01 EST Ralf, Let me se if it's related to something else I'm using. I haven't really had time to test it much. I'll at least try a clean system and see if it still does it. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 110 Fri Jan 07, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:51 EST Joey, the only time I saw a delta sign was when I press the left mouse button and open a 'rubber-band box' to select a new clipping rectangle to crop the image. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 111 Fri Jan 07, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:46 EST Ralf and Joey, Hmmm, I've forgotten where the delta box showed up for Joey. Was it in the mouse coordinates box in the graphic window? If so, today when I was using 3.01, I got the graphic to scroll one direction using the mouse inside the window and the right button, but then it locked up, apparently. If I remember right, when the mouse was placed in the window, and one of the buttons pushed, I got a 1 w/delta and a 1 in the coordinates display area. Give a yell if you want me to try something 'testworthy'! Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 112 Sat Jan 08, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 01:03 EST Thats it Ken! I'll see if I can come up with something repeatable. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 113 Sat Jan 08, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 03:35 EST Ralf, it's caused by Warp9 so thats probably why you couldn't find it.:-) I thought it happened in True Color as well but it seems to work fine now. It seems to be associated to Warp9 though as it runs fine on an empty system. If I turn Warp and it's ACC on it happens. Although it scrolls fine for a couple tries then locks up. You can't use the mouse after that even if you exit back to the desktop. The bug does this... you click and hold the right mouse button inside a picture Window to scroll but nothing happens when you scroll. Then if you click your left mouse button it jumps to the spot where the right button was when you clicked it and displays the 1 Delta, 1 Delta. I think it's trying to enter the clip mode but the mouse no longer works so nothing happens you just get the change of coordinate display. It's somewhat easy to avoid as I mostly use the Cyrel Card for viewing/clipping images unless I'm doing something in 16 color mode, then I need TT Medium.:-) Then you can scroll using the Window bars so it's nothing critical. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 114 Sun Jan 09, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 11:13 EST Joey, Maybe it's just caused by the mouse settings themselves. Sounds like a candidate for the WARP(.DAT file. Ken S., who just this afternoon decided to read his WARP9 manuals and readme's! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 115 Sun Jan 09, 1994 R.HOEKSTRA1 [RandyH] at 15:41 EST Does GEM-VIEW have the ability to save files in .PNT format? I have some pics I would like to use on the desktop, but Warp 9 requires this .PNT format and I have nothing that can save in that format. Also, can the color pallette be manipulated so the picture looks ok without messing up the colors used for the icons on the desktop? Thanks, RandyH ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 116 Sun Jan 09, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:47 EST RandyH, Warp9 supports other format than PNT. Do you mean for another EOS module that requires PNT? My version of GEM-View (2.4) does not support PNT and I don't know if 3.1 does either. Ralf will tell.:-) I did hear the Dieter had said he would implement it at one point. John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 117 Tue Jan 11, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 03:43 EST RandyH, Prism Paint uses the PNT format. It'll load a GIF and save it as a Paint. You'd have to buy the progam though. It's sort of like Degas Elite for the TT. It also supports FLM files by the way if your interested in running animation files. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 118 Tue Jan 11, 1994 J.HICKEY6 at 18:07 EST Joey, tell me more about Degas Elite for the TT. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 119 Tue Jan 11, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:31 EST Ken, yep, that's right. If you press the right mouse button, you can move an image within the window (in case the image is larger than the window). If you press the left mouse button, you get a 'rubber-band' box which allows you to select a new clipping (crop) area. It works fine on my system. Can you give me some specifics as to when it 'hangs' on yours? Joey, good point. Hmmm... let me check if I find a WARP9 copy here somewhere... then I am going to check it out. RandyH, yep, you can tell GEM-View to rearrange colors so you can later use such a 'processed image' as a background image for your desktop without messing up the icons etc. John B., presently, GEM-View does not support the *.PNT format. But since GEM-View 3.01 is now modular, every manufacturer and developer can write import/export modules to support all sorts of special formats ...including the *.PNT format. Docs and sample source files can be found with every GEM-View copy! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 120 Tue Jan 11, 1994 R.HOEKSTRA1 [RandyH] at 20:49 EST John B., yes Warp 9 can handle other formats for the desktop pic, but are these other formats workable in 640x480 16c or 256c Falcon modes? I didn't think Degas files would work and I don't have a clue about the TNY format. Maybe I should ask the question differently. I would like to use GEM-VIEW to manipulate either GIFs or JPEGs into a format suitable for display on the Falcon desktop (actually I would be willing to use any program that can handle the task). What's the best way to accomplish this. Ralph, so how do you manipulate the pallette. I suppose it is in the docs, maybe I should look at them. :) Maybe I should register too, hopefully soon. Thanks, Randy ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 121 Tue Jan 11, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 20:55 EST I am having problems with GEMView and Geneva. I can't seem to clip images when using GENEVA. Has anyone else had problems with this? ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 122 Tue Jan 11, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 23:36 EST Ralf, Just like Joey, I've got WARP 9 on my system. Solve his problem, you'll solve mine. BTW, I also tried it without W9 after seeing Joey's post, and it worked fine. Interestingly, I discovered just this weekend that the DynaCADD dongle prevents the W9's screen saver from kicking in. Is Dieter thinking of adding any conversions for vector graphics? Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 123 Wed Jan 12, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 03:16 EST RandyH, Well, Prism paint can handle any resolution but is picky as far as it will only display in the resolution you have saved it. As far as converting images, why don't ask Codehead Tom how he did it. He converted a bunch of files into PNT format for Falcon Warp9 screensaver thingy. Cat 32 top 31. John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 124 Wed Jan 12, 1994 MUSE [Tomas] at 03:21 EST RandyH, Prism Paint can take GIFs and turn them into W9 desktop pics in whatever resolution you are in on the Falcon030. I recently sent up a batch of files in PNT format that were made in this manner. ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 125 Wed Jan 12, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 03:33 EST J.HICKEY6, Prism Paint is basically Degas Elite for the TT. It has the same feel but supports TT resolutions and some of the Cyrel Resolutions as well. Randy, Prism Paint imports GIF files and saves them as .PNT fine. After all, .PNT is it's native format.:-) I also have a Screen Grabber Utility that will save the screen or part of it as a .PNT file. It only works as an ACC though so you'd get the GEMview window too. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 126 Wed Jan 12, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:44 EST RandyH, there is a new feature in GEM-View now that let's you display and dither images using the palette of either the OS (GEM) or the palette of the top most window. Maybe one of those features will do the trick for you? Tim, yep, that's correct. Although I start to believe it's a problem with GENEVA. I've encountered the same problem with e.g. Papillon (another german drawing program). Ken, are you trying to run GEM-View as an ACC under WARP9? Vector support: GEM-View 3.xx is now modular. Everyone who want's to add modules or support new formats may do so now... just look into the GEM-View docs and the source file samples and you can start programming your own add on modules! *,* \_/ PS: Someone should inform Gribnif about the GEM-View/GENEVA bug. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 127 Wed Jan 12, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:30 EST Ralf, > are you trying to run GEM-View as an ACC under WARP9? Nope. Haven't looked at the docs, but I don't know anything about the individual file formats anyway. One of the nice things about the Atari, you don't have to program the d*** thing to get it to do something. No batch files, bazillion drivers, etc. That's why I stick with it. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 128 Thu Jan 13, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 06:31 EST Ralf, Firstly, What is the Geneva/GEM-view bug. Gem-view 2.4 works fine as far as I can see, except it screws up my desktop colors. Secondly, >p.s. Someone should inform Gribnif....... Since you know what it is, why don't you let them know? John B. ....puzzled..... ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 129 Thu Jan 13, 1994 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 10:52 EST Ralf ... You can email Dan Wilga of Gribnif using their GEnie email address of GRIBNIF. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 130 Thu Jan 13, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:58 EST Ken S., hmmm... this is getting a little weird. I simply can't find a way to reproduce the effects you described. The delta sign only appears when I open up a clip box within the image window and it all works the way it should. No lock-up or anything close. Maybe it's time we try this on a certain file (best if it available online), with a defined OS version and with a clear machine (from disk, no ACCs or other \AUTO\ stuff to be sure). Do you think you can reproduce the error under these conditions? If you can, please send me via e-mail the VERSION and date stamp of the copy of GEM-View you are using. John B., OK, I just know myself... and I tend to forget things once in a while. I'll inform Dan @ Gribnif. *,< \_/ The problem with GENEVA/GEM-View 3.xx apparently happens when you try to define the clipping rectangle within a window. It simply does not allow you to do the second mouse click to finish the operation... thus you have a dangling rectangle with nothing else to do. Nathan, I'll send a message to Gribnif. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 131 Thu Jan 13, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:09 EST Ralf, System set up for test: TT 030, 4 megs ST ram anly, no mem boards installed at the moment. NeoDesk reports TOS 3.06, GEMdos 0.20, GEM version 3.20. Running in TT med. NeoDesk not installed for the test. 2 auto prgs, Xboot III and Warp 9 for TT, version 3.75. 1 ACC, the control panel for Warp 9, version 1.4. W9 set up with screen acceleration on, default mouse acceleration 2 selected, substitute font installed, extendo save enabled. Gemview 3.01, the version you last uploaded to the library. Loaded a JPEG, although file type seems not to make any difference. Made the view window smaller than the graphic. Put the mouse inside the window. As soon as I click the right mouse button for scrolling the pic, locks up. No menu selection, no scrolling, no nuttin'. Press the left button, and I get one delta symbol next to the first 1 in the coordinate display. Remove W9, scrolls fine. In all the boot combos I tried, it appears if W9 is installed, I've got probs. No W9, no probs. Have not made an exhaustive, thorouh check with the other boot setups I have with XBOOT. The JPEG came from the Photo RT. IF you want me to try a specific graphic, uh.........guess you'd better email it to me unless it is in the ST RT, Graphics RT, or Photo RT. If it's in one of these RT's, just tell me the file number, I may have already downloaded it. No use paying to do it twice. OK, so I can be cheap at times (Chuckle) Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 132 Fri Jan 14, 1994 D.BOWMAN9 [>>dave b<<] at 01:27 EST hello all, the new SOL--speed of light--30 can read a gif and turn it into a PNT. later, dave b ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 133 Fri Jan 14, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:39 EST Ralf and Ken, Mine does the same thing with Warp 9 and I think I have different versions running. I'm 99% positive it's adding Warp 9 that causes the problem. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 134 Fri Jan 14, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 18:05 EST I started using GEM-view a few weeks ago and I was impressed. I still am, it's just that I havent' used it in over a week and am now confused. Let me explain. I started converting some graphics for a friend that has moved onto another platform. This was so easy I couldn't believe it, not too mention his being impressed that I could do this with my ST. Almost makes my machine more compatible than his. I was loading all types of images, PCS, IMG's, TNY's, PC?'s , NEO's, and happily converting them to BMP format so he could be nostalgic in a few years on his clone. What I'm getting at is......I haven't done this procedure in over a week, and now that I had time to return to this task, I can't do it it. When I try to Export/Save from the picture window, the only choice I'm offered is the IMG format. I tried checking the default save format but am only given a choice of three IMG modes. I have scanned the docs and have tried every switch. I know I've skipped something but I'm sure the answer is so simple I don't feel like waising hours to do figure out how to do something that was so easy a few weeks ago. Hope someone can give me an easy solution. Sorry about the long story. :-) John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 135 Fri Jan 14, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:16 EST Ken, thanks for the update on the 'lock-up' problem. Seems that something is not working out between GEM-View and Warp9. I'll notify CodeHead about it. Joey, OK, got it. See message to Ken. John B., have you gotten your registered version yet and installed it with the keys on the label (or YOUR_KEY.TXT file)? Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 136 Fri Jan 14, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:34 EST Update: New GEM-View 3.xx module available on-line We've just received another GEM-View module to load images of the ARROW 24 renderer into GEM-View. To add this module to your list, please download the R24ARROW.ZIP file and place the module into your GEM-View LOAD MODULES directory. The archive also contains a small but funny R24 image. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 137 Fri Jan 14, 1994 J.STANFORD2 [John] at 21:11 EST JBrenner: Are you sure you're not in an unpaletted (32K or 16M colors) graphics mode? ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 138 Fri Jan 14, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 21:14 EST Ralf, I have'nt received the registered version. I'm still using 2.4 ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 139 Fri Jan 14, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 21:19 EST John Stanford, uh....actually I'm sure I'm in an unpalleted 32k mode. I thought that was the resolution I was using it from originaly since I have some "True Color" BPM's saved. Thanks John, why do I feel embarassed......:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 140 Fri Jan 14, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 21:52 EST Frozen North, How did you get 4 Megs of ST ram with no memroy board installed. Either you have 2 megs or you have a memory board. TT's come with 2 megs soldered to the motherboard. All other ram comes on memory boards. See Flat, Click on the letters IMG.... ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 141 Fri Jan 14, 1994 J.STANFORD2 [John] at 23:47 EST John Brenner: What do I know? I've only seen paletted BMP files so I assume, but that doesn't mean there can't be. The last time I tried Gemview though I seem to recall it would only output images in formats compatible with the current resolution? ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 142 Sat Jan 15, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 01:39 EST Flat, You hit the same oddity that I did, and it's because GV disables most of its extra features after two weeks. Personally, I heartily dislike that kind of thing. I may go ahead and buy the program anyway, since it does SO darn much, the strange interface notwithstanding. (And it's ideal under Geneva.) Al ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 143 Sat Jan 15, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 01:46 EST Spud Boy, ole boy! > How did you get 4 Megs of ST ram with no memroy board installed. Memroy board, memroy board, hmmmmmm........ What's a memroy board? Well, should have been more specific I guess. I really meant no TT ram board. Hmmmm, and if what you say is true about ST ram, may have to look into adding more of that. I have an 804. With any luck, I'll be okay. We'll just "play it by ear". Apologies for the topic drift. And the "memroy". RASTER, and I get another window with a title 'NO NAME xxx x yyy'. If I click on the fuller button to make the window full screen, GEM View crashes every time. I tried this on a completely bare system, as well as my regular setup. I also tried this under MultiTOS and Geneva with the same results. I am sending you my DESKICON.RSC in GE-Mail for testing. I also think I was able to reproduce the Delta crash that others have experienced. I'll have to reread some of the messages to double check. Chris ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 151 Mon Jan 17, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:58 EST John B., your GEM-View registration has been received and processed. You should get it soon. GEM-View 3.xx saves in as many formats as you have SAVE modules available.... so, simply by adding a new SAVE module to the appropriate GEM-View folder, you'll automatically have a new supported output format. The same goes for loading, printing and processing. Chris, thanks for the info about the RASTERIZE bug. But I think I saw a message somewhere in the documentation to the effect that this function has not been fully debugged yet and is highly dependable on your system. I'll send a note regarding the RASTERIZE issue toDieter. I also get the file you mentioned. Thanks. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 152 Sat Jan 22, 1994 JWKUEHN [Wolf] at 19:47 EST I have tried to print out from GEMVIEW with the 550C driver. However, it does not work. Actually I have an HP1200C which is a YMCK printer. Anything in the works? Wolf ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 153 Sat Jan 22, 1994 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 22:49 EST Wolf, The 550C driver works fine with the 550C printer. I suspect that since the 1200 has 4 cartridges to print and the 550C only has 2, there may hve to be a completly new driver configured for the 1200. Bob ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 154 Mon Jan 24, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:02 EST Wolf, sorry to hear that the HP driver does not work with the 1200. But maybe we should compare the color control commands to check if there is a possibility to add the 1200 support. Bob, thanks for the update on the status of the 550C driver. Have you had the chance to D/L the updated version of that driver? There are actually two of them... the first one sometimes gave you a 'printer not ready' message. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 155 Mon Jan 24, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:04 EST Dieter's answer to the 'rasterize' bug: Dieter told me that he uses a lot of 'negative LINE-A' variables to achive the conversion of META files into RASTER files. He recommends the use of that function ONLY in one of the native ST graphic modes... since a lot of add-ons and graphics cards will be confused by the 'surgery' involved in the process. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 156 Tue Jan 25, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:31 EST How do you cut two images together? I actually printed out the manual and learned all kinds of stuff but I can't figure this out. Doesn't mean it's not there, I just haven't found it.:-) I know it says you can clip images together. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 157 Tue Jan 25, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:58 EST Joey, you apparently can supperimpose two images... but I have to admit that I can't describe you the procedure right away. *shame* I'll check it out and let you know. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 158 Tue Jan 25, 1994 R.VOORNEVELD [BOB] at 19:34 EST Ralf, Yes the tests on the 550C were done with the updated version of the driver. Bob ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 159 Wed Jan 26, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 00:22 EST Ralf, I received GemView and key today. Thanks John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 160 Wed Jan 26, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 01:45 EST I there a way to save a 256 image file when running in true color? I was trying to assemble an animation I did with InShape (which has true color output) as a series of GIF's. However, I was only given true color save options if I am running in a true color mode. I had to drop to a 256 color mode to get Gif to appear as an option in the save dialog. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 161 Wed Jan 26, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 03:38 EST Ralf, Thats Ok, I couldn't figure it out either.:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 162 Wed Jan 26, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:37 EST Bob, OK, glad they work fine now. John, enjoy your copy! GEM-View sure has grown, not only in the number of features but also in the number of registered users. Tim, whenever you want to save it in a different color mode than you actually running in, you have to select the CONVER IMAGE option from the GEM-View menu. You will then be asked for the source and destination names as well as the image format and color depth. Joey, went to a seminar yesterday and had too many meetings today... so I haven't had the chance to check the 'merge' option out... I'll hope to do it tomorrow. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 163 Mon Jan 31, 1994 ATARIAUSTRIA [J.Widi] at 06:42 EST Ralf, have You been able to duplicate the problems I reported when using GemView 3.01 as an accessory? Does anybody use it successfully as an accessory? -Johannes ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 164 Mon Jan 31, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:55 EST Johannes, I talked with Dieter about this problem. He knows that 3.01 cannot be fully used as an accessory. For now we have to ask you to use GEM-View as a application/program. The next release is supposed to fix the *.ACC problem. Please note also that if you use GEM-View as an accessory, you have to load it directly and not through some ACC loaders like CHAMELEON. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 165 Mon Jan 31, 1994 D.BOWMAN9 [>>dave b<<] at 22:17 EST Johannes, I have the demo version of GemView 3.01 and have not gotten it to work a an ACC yet. but to be trueful the only time I tried was to try to get it to work with STzip 2.4's view feature. Off topic---Has anyone gotten it to work with STZip's view picture feature???? later, dave b ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 166 Thu Feb 03, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:22 EST GEM-View as *.ACC: Dieter found the problem that caused GEM-View 3.01 to behave rather erratic when loaded as an accessory. This bug has been fixed and a new release (3.02) will be available shortly. Watch those U/L listings and the file description for more details. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 167 Wed Feb 09, 1994 ATARIAUSTRIA [J.Widi] at 03:31 EST Ralf, thanks for the information. I'm looking forward to 3.02. Johannes ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 168 Tue Feb 22, 1994 ATARIAUSTRIA [J.Widi] at 07:15 EST After downloading and installing Gem-View 3.02 life with my Atari is pleasant again. In the process of installing Gem-View as an accessory I discovered an undocumented (?) feature of GEMSHOW.PRG that I'd like to share with You. GEMSHOW is a utility that works together with MultiTOS. It allows You to easily replace the desktop file view/print function, so Gem-View does that all for You, and very comfortable too. What I found out is that GEMSHOW is also handy together with TOS 2.XX or 3.XX when You have installed Gem-View as an accessory. You simply install GEMSHOW as an icon on Your desktop. If You then drag files onto it, Gem-View is automatically called up and displays these files. I may be wrong but I don't recall having seen this documented anywhere. I think this is so useful that it really should be mentioned in the docs in the future. -Johannes ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 169 Wed Feb 23, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:19 EST Johannes, thanks for the update on your progress with GEM-View 3.02. We'll be uploading it shortly here as well. 3.02 has a nice set of extended drivers and modules and we are very excited about it. About the 'undocumented' feature you found: Yep, you are right, we should mention a lot more in the docs... but with Dieter's pace in implementing new things... writing docs has become sort of an race... *,< \_/ Nonetheless we appreciate if user's share their experiences and tricks. Well done! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 170 Sat Feb 26, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 13:31 EST Cool, I am happy to see another version of GEMview. Is there any chance of getting the PNT format supported in GEMview? ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 171 Sun Feb 27, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 03:33 EST I'll second the .PNT vote! There's a text file in the library right here on GEnie explaining the format. BTW, It's incredibly simple... ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 172 Mon Feb 28, 1994 S.WOLF4 [Sandy] at 03:47 EST After downloading and installing GV several days ago, I am now getting into the documents. I would appreciate one bit of help to run a very simple application before my 2 weeks run out. My immediate need is to convert .PI3 files (from the SNAPIT program) into .GIF files which some PC users can read in another RT. If someone can give me a 3 step (4 ?) recipe to do this quickly, then I can procede with learning GV and then register it next week. Looks like a very useful program, but it needs time to learn properly, and I am a slow learner. Thanks, --Sandy ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 173 Mon Feb 28, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:45 EST Tim, OK, I've noted your request and I am going to forward it to Dieter. Joey, can you find out the file # for the *.PNT description you mentioned? Sandy, converting pictures is a rather simple process. Here is what you should do: 1. Run GEMVIEW.APP and browse through the menus until you find the CONVERT PICTURE/IMAGE entry. Select this one. 2. A new dialog will pop up and you will be prompted to tell GEM-View your source files, the destination directory and the destination format. First, click on the top most box and select the image you intend to convert, then click on the next box and tell GEM-View where you want to save the converted image to. Now, select the proper output format (GIF or whatever you need). 3. Start the conversion with the appropriate button in the dialog. There is another method which is a bit more flexible since you can actually see the image on screen, crop it, adjust colors etc, and then save it. In order to do this, load in the image as normal, make any necessary changes (like rubber-banding a clip of the image), then select from the menu bar in the IMAGE WINDOW the EXTERNAL|SAVE option. Let me know if you have any more questions. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 174 Mon Feb 28, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 20:45 EST Sandy, what Ralf said. :-) One thing to note, the dialoge box for converting pic's doesn't really show the format box clearly. The bottom line reads something like 'select output format' with three boxes on it, one for Mono, one for colour and one empty. At first I didn't realise that clicking on that third, empty, box brings up another dialoge where you choose the actual format. It seemed to my (simple) mind that I could only choose mono or colour. Aside from that, the whole process is a snap. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 175 Mon Feb 28, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:07 EST Ralf, Is Dieter working on the Warp 9 conflict? Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 176 Mon Feb 28, 1994 C.CASSADAY [Parrot Head] at 22:23 EST Ralf, I will send the file for the PNT file format to you in E-mail... /\----/\ | * * | The Orginal | /\ | Robot Parrot \ \/ / Head ---- ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 177 Tue Mar 01, 1994 MUSE [Tomas] at 01:59 EST Ken S., What is the conflict between GEM-View and Warp 9? ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 178 Tue Mar 01, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:53 EST Ralf, I don't have the number right off hand but I can drop it to you in E- mail. Opps... just noticed Parrot Head is sending it! If you have any questions let me know. I'd like to see it support both uncompressed and compressed .PNT files as well. That would make the format easier for begining programers to use much like .PI?. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 179 Tue Mar 01, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:48 EST Charlie, thanks for clarifying that 'third box' syndrome. I've been discussing a whole new interface for GEM-View with Dieter. You won't see it happen right away in 3.02 but it's coming. *grin* Ken, what WARP9 conflict? Did I miss something _AGAIN_ ? Warp 9 is not very wide spread in Europe, so these things tend to crop up only after a product is released and considered to be bug free. +.< \_/ Parrot Head, thanks for the information about the *.PNT format. I got the file and I'll make sure Dieter gets it ASAP. Realm, thanks for your offer to help us out in case we come up with a lot more questions than answers. *grin* Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 180 Tue Mar 01, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 22:07 EST Tomas and Ralf, Gem-View locks up when you try to drag the pic with the right mouse button when Warp 9 is installed. Installed, not just turned off. And yes, I tried a clean system also. :-) Joey and I both noted this. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 181 Tue Mar 01, 1994 S.WOLF4 [Sandy] at 23:08 EST Thanks Ralf and Charlie - - I've got conversions from PI3 into GIF, TIF, and BMP, and am sending them to the PC users. They will let me know which format they prefer. Unfortunately, I could not work the "other method". I loaded the converted GIF version using ^Load, and was able to manipulate it just a bit -- I couldn't even see it during the straight conversion process, which I assume is correct. However, I couldn't find that "EXTERNAL|SAVE" command, and was unable to save it. The ^Save command on the same line as ^Load didn't do it. I think it gave me a GEMVIEW.INF file. I used the 'Like Pic' option for TIF. I've passed by other messages asking about the different TIFs, so will back track and look through them. Seems like a nice program. --Sandy ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 182 Wed Mar 02, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 19:41 EST Ken, I am wondering about this apparent problem with WARP9. Maybe this is a WARP9 bug! Since I know that a lot of GEM-View users have NVDI, the regular VDI or even our own CyReL VDI, with which GEM-View works rather nicely. Sandy, the 14-days free trial version disables some functions after the trial period is over. The SAVE option in the windows menu should work in all cases if you have a registered version. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 183 Wed Mar 02, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 21:49 EST Ralf, It may be a Warp 9 bug. Since Tomas asked, I'm sure the word will get back to the Codeheads. Tomas, BTW, my version of Warp 9 is 3.75 if you go to check out the conflict. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 184 Wed Mar 02, 1994 T.HEBEL [Spud Boy] at 23:25 EST Ralf, Cool, I think the PNT is the only format that is useful to me that isn't already supported by GEMview. The modules are "user designable" so maybe someone out there could write the module. By the way, has GEMview 3.02 been released yet? Sandy, try the Key Command ALT-S to save the picture in the window. Seeing the picture during a conversion is an option you can choose from the file menu. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 185 Wed Mar 02, 1994 S.WOLF4 [Sandy] at 23:33 EST Ralf - - I downloaded GV maybe a month ago, but only installed it last week. However, when the registration dialogue popped up, I just hit a few times and left it blank, except for the bottom line I think, whatever that was. Maybe my copy was never even turned on. ANYWAY____ I've seen enough of GEMVIEW, and the support behind it, to conclude it is worth US$30--. Am I correct that, if I send this to CyberCube, you will send me a disk copy of the latest version, together with _printed_ instructions? I tried to print out the lengthy instruction file in the library version -- it's really tough to learn such a complex program by reading 80 pages of instructions on the screen -- but the formatting fouled up the printing process. I started to reformat the file, but saw it was only introducing other problems, and would take lots of time anyway. So I would want to receive a printed copy of necessary documentation. I also assume updates will usually be distributed via the library here, and will otherwise be without extra charge. (?) If you need anything beyond my name, address, and US$30 check, let me know. --Sandy ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 186 Thu Mar 03, 1994 MUSE [Tomas] at 00:27 EST Ralf, If most of your users are using NVDI you must not be working the American market hard enough. Ken S., 3.75 eh? We will most likely test this with v3.80.3.81. If it works, your solution is obvious. If I understand the problem, you lock up when you load a picture and try to drag it using the _right_ mouse button? ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 187 Thu Mar 03, 1994 M.POCHE [Mick] at 02:52 EST Tomas & Ralf, (Man did I want to type Thomas & Ralph) I can confirm the lock-up with GEM-View and Warp 9 v3.80 on a MSTE with TOS 2.05. Does that help any? - Mick ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 188 Thu Mar 03, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 18:48 EST Ken, I've sent a note about this to Dieter just in case. Let's see what he has to say about it. Tim, I am quite sure we'll see a *.PNT module soon... who created that format anyways? Sandy, yes, you can register directly with us. We'll then send you a personal copy of GEM-View, registered in your name. However, I do not have a printed manual for GEM-View. I'll ask Dieter about this since he mentioned that someone is looking after the updating and 'modernizing' of the GEM-View docs. Tomas, GEM-View registrations in Europe are much stronger due to a larger user base and since GEM-View has been around longer over there. *grin* It has turned out to be one of the most popular shareware programs for the Atari and Dieter is very happy about the growing number of registered users. This is a perfect example of shareware fees funding and justifying the time and efforts spent do continue the development of this versatile utility. If you want Dieter to keep up the good work, consider supporting him and other shareware authors by registering their fine products. Mick, you may call me Ralph or Ralf, I don't mind. *,< \_/ Thanks for your update. As stated earlier, I'm waiting for a response from Dieter. Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 189 Fri Mar 04, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 00:21 EST Sandy, Gemview isn't really that complex, it just seems complex.:-) It's actually pretty easy once you get the hang of it, kind of like Aladdin. What would probably help the most is just a couple of pages with a run down of what each setting does. Maybe a most asked question section as well. A quick reference guid then you could use it with the manual and avoid having to print out the entire thing. BTW, Cybercube sends you a set of disks with your password. Once you get the password you can update from the library by using your password with the install program. You don't get a printed manual. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 190 Fri Mar 04, 1994 MUSE [Tomas] at 01:16 EST Ralf, Whew! Six big files, a mysterious archiver and hours later... I'm with Al on this one. (I can't remember ever disagreeing with Al .) It is a powerful program, if a little odd. Anyway, there is a problem involving the right mouse button. I'm not qualified to say what's causing it, but I mentioned it to John and Charles this morning. > If you want Dieter to keep up the good work, consider supporting him > and other shareware authors by registering their fine products. I'm hip. ===Tomas=== ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 191 Fri Mar 04, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:34 EST Tomas, :) Al ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 192 Fri Mar 04, 1994 CYBERCUBE [Ralf] at 20:03 EST Joey, thanks for your nice sales pitch. We could use a lot more people like you! +,+ \_/ We appreciate your support. Tomas, glad you like it. Enjoy! Have a nice weekend! Ralf. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 193 Fri Mar 04, 1994 S.WOLF4 [Sandy] at 20:25 EST Ralf - - The editor of a PC version of GEnieLamp confirms that the converted picture I sent him is fine for his use. My check is already in the mail. I agree with REALM. A digest of 'need-to-know' features and commands would be a valuable addition to any rewrite of the instruction file. Then, one can work through the full manual after getting into the program's basics. Al - - I take it that if I can use GEM View, the other program will be superfluous (?) Or does it have other useful features? --Sandy ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 194 Sat Mar 05, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 00:25 EST Tomas, Seems you have confirmed the problem. Sorry for not answering you inquiry sooner, but spent last night even farther north than I am now. No TV for entertainment, no Atari for fun. Looking forward to a fix. Really like both prgs. Right now I just avoid the problem by using the scroll bars. Ken S. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 195 Sat Mar 05, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:06 EST Ralf, No problem! I still get 30% off each one I sell, right?:-) ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 196 Sat Mar 05, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:23 EST Sandy, GEM-View probably will do everything you want. I must be honest in saying that I feel GV has one of the worst interfaces I have ever come across. I know it is powerful, but I see no need for that kind of interface in a modern app. Al ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 197 Sat Mar 05, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 04:01 EST Al, Gem-view has alternate key commands for everything. What part of the interface you do dislike so? John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 198 Sat Mar 05, 1994 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 15:43 EST As much as I like GV, I consider the interface to be somewhat clumsy too. Obviously, this is all personal preference, so no flames intended. I don't like the seperate command window. Yes, I know I can close it and use key commands, but I don't - I'm a mouser type by choice (memory stack overflow when it comes to the zillion key commands out there). As the window ends up behind or blocking the pic I've loaded, I end up using the top menus anyway. Seems like a waste. The other thing that bothers me is having to access the seperate pulldown/slide-across menu in _each_ pix window to do any pic manipulation. I would much rather have all those functions available fulltime as left-side icons (ala Calamus) or in pulldown windows across the top of program's main Gem bar. Why _do_ we keep reinventing the wheel? Oh well, I use the registerd version nearly every day, and I haven't gone any crazier yet :-) Doug7 ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 199 Sat Mar 05, 1994 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:07 EST Doug7, You could keep the command window beneath the picture you are viewing with only the Icon display showing. If you press the right mouse button while you left click on the desired function you want to perform, the action will be immediate and the "buttons" window will remain in the backround. John B. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 200 Sun Mar 06, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 00:09 EST Flat, Compare the interfaces of Studio Photo and GEM-View. One is pure GEM, the other is not, and for no good reason. (Maybe there are some non-good reasons, but I see no rationale for turning an interface such as the one GEM provides into a pastiche.) This does not mean GV isn't powerful or useful or fast or whatever else it is. and interface design is an art and not a science, and so we can argue over the merits of art without ever being right or wrong. Al ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 201 Sun Mar 06, 1994 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 01:18 EST See Flat, Thanks John, I'll try that :-) Doug7 ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 202 Sun Mar 06, 1994 CBARRON at 01:31 EST >What part of the interface do you dislike so. CONFLICTING documentation! ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 203 Sun Mar 06, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:08 EST The interface works pretty decent. The method uses as much of the screen as possible for displaying images. Putting Icons on it would take that much room away from the picture display area. The interface Window is really only needed for tracking information, everything else can be done with a key command or Menu option. I leave mine off as it gives 1 more window you can load an image into. However, if there's an error in the image or you need some info, you can call it up and have a look at the entire process used to load it. That comes in handy ever now and then. Personally, I'd like to see the slider bars removed from the Windows. Two or three Windows and you've lost a bunch of room to slider bars. Be kind of cool if they only showed on the active Window. Wonder if you could have a load history stored in the individual Window? Then you could pretty much get rid of the global Window. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 204 Sun Mar 06, 1994 ST.LOU [Lou Rocha] at 09:24 EST Slider bars could easily be replaced by a pan-scroll method using only the mouse cursor/grab hand. This feature is built into Invision Elite and TouchUP so it is not new technology. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 205 Sun Mar 06, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 10:12 EST Joey, At least under Geneva you can make the sliders very narrow. Al ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 206 Sun Mar 06, 1994 K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH] at 12:36 EST Joey, Removing the slider bars maybe should be an optional setting. After all, right now, if you have Warp 9 installed, you cannot grab with the right mouse button without locking up. Did'ja fergit that? Ken S. Now that I've thought about it, perhaps any fiddling with things like scroll bars and other window gadgets should be made optional by any programmer, so the user has as much flexibility and familiarity as possible. ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 207 Sun Mar 06, 1994 S.WOLF4 [Sandy] at 16:35 EST I appreciate the debate about the GEM interface in GV. However, what is _not_ present in the discussion is more interesting, namely any serious complaints about its usefulness, and/or programming bugs. To someone like me, just getting into this aspect of graphics processing and cross platform compatibility, that is reassuring. I think I can adapt to some minor inconvenience at the top, as long as it fills the bill otherwise. My initial "test" of GV worked very well, so I look forward to getting more deeply into it. Thanks --Sandy ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 208 Sun Mar 06, 1994 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:37 EST Lou, And the grab-hand method works very well in STraight FAX!, too. Al ------------ Category 7, Topic 33 Message 209 Sun Mar 06, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 23:59 EST You guys misunderstood... I said remove the sliders on the NON-ACTIVE Windows. You can't scroll them anyway since their not active. I didn't forget the Warp 9 problem, I do it all the time by accident.:-) Right grab works good for scrolling but removing the side bars would also remove the corner puller block for resizing the Window. You'd have to provide for it some how. Building a good interface is tough.:-) ------------