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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 1         Thu Nov 26, 1992
J.PIERCE5 [Rob]              at 23:04 EST
 
I'm about to buy a used DeskJet Plus for $250.  What exactly is the difference
between the Plus and 500, besides the 500 having more fonts?  The printer I'm
buying comes with the Times Roman cartridge, and I think two ink carts.

The local OfficeMax office supple store (seems related to Office Town and
Office Depot) has the high capacity carts for $26 each, and the refills as
well.  I figure it's worth it to just get the HC's. I'll also check at SAM's
as someone mentioned before.

BTW, does anyone know how much Outburst costs, and where I can buy it?

Thanks!

Rob


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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 2         Fri Nov 27, 1992
EXPLORER.1 [ Ron ]           at 00:08 EST
 
Rob,

  The 500 has a Times and Gothic font and may be a little faster than the
Plus.  There is a demo of Outburst in the libraries that will contain ordering
information.

                Ron @ Atari Explorer

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 3         Fri Nov 27, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 08:45 EST
 
Anna,

Thanks for the info on P.S. Inc., and the refills.. Sounds good!

I will be contacting them for sure, in the next couple of days..

I found two empty carts that have been lying around for over six months.. Do I
understand, that what you are saying is, that they can refill these with out a
problem?? I always thought that if the sponge inside dried out they were
pretty much useless??

Also is the address "Booye Terrace"?? Is that correct?? Funny street name,
eh??

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Friday, November 27, 1992 - 8:17:02 am
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 4         Fri Nov 27, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 10:26 EST
 
I've had very mixed results with refilling old ink carts.  Since I use a hypo
and bottle of ink, all I'm out is a few cc's of ink if it  doesn't work.  If I
were using the $14.00 refill kit, which only works twice, I might be a bit
upset.

Just to clarify something posted earlier:  The ink that most people seem to
prefer is Sheaffer's Skrip  (not 'script').  This might be why it's a little
hard to find a bottle of 'script'. :)  They've recently  changed their
packaging and the new boxes are red, and say "Sheaffer" more prominently than
"Skrip"...if they even say the latter at all.

  Gordon
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 5         Sat Nov 28, 1992
DARLAH [RT~SYSOP]            at 11:18 EST
 
Falconer:

I believe Sandy has made contact with Scott. That is SANDY.W (one of the
sysops here).
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 6         Sat Nov 28, 1992
SANDY.W [sysop]              at 12:28 EST
 
I have been able to contact SDS at 310-595-9114, but I know nothing about the
status of the DJ programs.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 7         Sun Nov 29, 1992
TVCOM [MICHAEL M.]           at 11:20 EST
 
Does anyone have a printer dreiver for 1st Word Plus that will allow you to
use the onboard fonts of the 500 or 500c ?  I have the only driver I could
find in the library, but as far as I can tell, there is no way to use the
other fonts from this driver.  Any help would be appreciated.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 8         Sun Nov 29, 1992
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 11:53 EST
 
Michael, if you check your printer manual you will find the ESC codes for
accessing fonts or the cartridge. If you use WordWriter you could embed those
codes in your first line or wherever you needed them. Perhaps a DJ owner like
Joe Meehan could tell you how to do this in 1st Word Plus.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 9         Sun Nov 29, 1992
A.VALENT [Mike]              at 12:43 EST
 
Way, way back in this topic the originator of this refill technique posted a
detailed set of instructions - the how & why of refilling. Can't find my
printout of it now, but maybe one of you can point the new  users to the right
message number.

IMHO, Scrip ink prints cleaner (less feathering) and prints blacker than HP's
ink formula.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 10        Sun Nov 29, 1992
STEPHENSON [Bob in ABQ]      at 18:16 EST
 
Michael,    This is how I made 1st Word Plus make use of the other fonts.  At
the bottom of your FW screen you can choose an extended character with the
mouse.  In the driver you can substitute a string of code for one of these
characters.  I substituted the DJ code for the Times font, for instance, for
one of these characters.  So to change to Times of a partucular size, I click
on that character and the code goes to the printer to make it print in the
desired font and size.
   Have I lost you?  If you want to give this a try and get stuck, I will try
to help you further.  I have a classic DJ with a Times cart, so I don't know
if my driver would do you any good.

        Bob in Albuquerque

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 11        Sun Nov 29, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 19:00 EDT
 
 



  >Perhaps a DJ owner like Joe Meehan could tell you how to do this in
  >1st Word Plus.


         I never had 1st Word Plus (I used WordWriter and First Word,
 now WP)  I used the embeded technique, it worked just fine.  I also
 did some adjustments to the drivers to add such things as super and
 sub script.  How easy that is depends on the program.


 >> Joe M << 






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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 12        Mon Nov 30, 1992
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 22:56 EST
 
Ted,

Yep...the address for P.S. Inc. is "Booye Terrace".  I thought it was strange
myself when I first saw it.

As far as the 6-month old cartridges, I suggest that when you contact them,
you ask them if they are still refillable.  They are very quick in responding
to any correspondence (and orders).....I give them 4 stars (or is that
5???<grin>) for service.

            Anna @ Atari Advantage


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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 13        Mon Nov 30, 1992
TQUINN [Terry~Sysop]         at 23:04 EST
 
The first 190 messages have been archived and are available in Library 13 as
file # 26764 (DSKJET10.ARC).
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 14        Tue Dec 01, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 19:54 EST
 
Anna,

OK!! 'Booye Terrace' it is, then...  :)  I wonder if they mis-spelled Buoy, or
is it more like "Hear ye, hear ye", (Boo ye, boo ye), get it??   :)

Yeah, I know I'm corny, but I have fun...  <g>..

A letter to P.S. is going out today, or tomorrow...

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Tuesday, December 1, 1992 - 10:18:32 am
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 15        Tue Dec 01, 1992
J.PIERCE5 [Rob]              at 23:46 EST
 
  My DeskJet Plus came today.  It works great, except for one minor annoyance:
Print darkness varies greatly.  I've done everything the manual suggested --
from removing and cleaning the print cartridge and the contacts, to using the
Prime key, etc.  No change.  There are some lines missing, and some lines are
darker than others.

When I did some printing using the internal fonts, the main missing lines (one
very noticable, a few above it not as noticable) were almost halfway down the
character (10 point Times Roman).  The top half of the character was lighter
than it should, with those lines showing, the next third down was good and
dark, and the very bottom of the characters were light again.

(Time has passed)  It's now much later, and I tried printing an envelope.  It
printed perfectly.  I changed to some other paper.  The first stuff I was
using was some Hammermill recycled paper for lasers and copiers.  Now I'm
using Xerox 4200 DP paper, which is considerably better.  It's still not
perfect, as there's a little streaking in areas that have lots of black.  What
is the best paper you've found?  Also, what is a good brand of colored paper,
like pastels, bright colors, and good stuff for resume printing?

The cartridge in it is almost new.  It's a high capacity cart too.  I might
just return the new HC cart I just bought.  Hmmm...

Any help would be very much appreciated.

BTW, without OutBurST, printouts from PageStream are pretty doggone fast, at
least compared to my Panasonic 1124!  I wonder just how much faster it is WITH
it. ;)

Rob




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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 16        Wed Dec 02, 1992
M.POCHE [Mick]               at 02:09 EST
 
Rob -

Paper preference varies quite a bit between users, as do the results. My usual
paper is Hammermill Laser paper, 500 sheets for about $6.00. I've recently
begun using Southworth Watermark Electronic Paper, 25% cotton. Printouts are
noticeably clearer, but it is quite a bit more expensive.

Printing with PageStream with OutBurST is about 4 times faster than without it
(guesstimate really). If you'd like to see for yourself, download the demo
from the library here. If you use PageStream much at all, you'll definitely
want to buy OutBurST!

- Mick

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 17        Wed Dec 02, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:49 EDT
 
Rob,


         Congratulations.  


         If you are still getting streaks (white lines) in your
 printouts it is most likely a bad cartridge.  HP will replace it for
 you.  


         Paper is a very personal thing.  What works best for me in
 Columbus, Ohio may not work for you at all.  It may have something to
 do with the local weather and altitude; maybe it's the moon. <grin>
 The best thing to do is find someplace that will let you try a page
 or two of all the promising paper as samples.


         You should expect some banding in large areas of black or
 smooth raster areas.  You should not have distinctive white bands.
 White bands can be a software problem a cartridge problem or a
 printer problem.


 >> Joe M << 



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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 18        Wed Dec 02, 1992
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 11:48 EST
 
Off the top of my head I would guess thta the differences are based on
temperatue, altitude, and relative humidity. <  G>
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 19        Wed Dec 02, 1992
D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 23:07 EST
 
Rob,

Joe is right, humidity and altitude DOES make a difference in the quality of
printout.

>IF< you live in an area with mid to high humidity AND the elevation is +/-
1000 feet, then try the following paper choices:


 Gilbert Neu-Tech 25% cotton 24lb.    Excellent but expensive
 Manufacturers order number 0161

 Weyerhauser First Choice Premium     Very good, mid to low priced
 Manufacturers order number 1176

 .....  and for colored paper

 Gilbert Oxford                       Very Good, mid priced
 Manufacturers order number 2183


If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask, I've always found that
there are lots of helpful and well informed individuals roaming around this
topic.

         Dave
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 20        Thu Dec 03, 1992
J.PIERCE5 [Rob]              at 00:15 EST
 
Everyone:

Thanks for the recommendations on paper.  A local DeskJet 500 owner
recommended some Hammermill Laser Plus with Wax Holdout.  The label says Long
Grain, and "For Prepress proofing and Camera-Ready Masters.

It's a very interesting paper.  You can only use one side, as the other side
has a faint green watermark on it, but the print comes out VERY well. 
However, he pays in the neighborhood of $7.00 a ream, so I'll probably go for
a cheaper cotton-bond.  The Xerox stuff I'm using now is acceptable for the
time being.

I do need to break down and buy OutBurST. As soon as I can wring the cash out
of my budget, I'll do it.

Thanks again!

Rob

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 21        Thu Dec 03, 1992
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 20:32 EST
 
I have also found the Hammermill papers to be excellant choices. At the price
though, I only use it for stuff that needs the quality. It last me a long time
since I do the drafts on regular Xerox paper and then the final print on the
Hammermill.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 22        Sat Dec 05, 1992
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:25 EST
 
Ted,

<grin>...I think your sense of humor is great!  I think you will be please
with P.S. Inc.  The hard part is deciding which color you want to get!

          Anna @ Atari Advantage

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 23        Sun Dec 06, 1992
S.LIVERSIDGE [STEVE L]       at 09:36 EST
 
Michael:

I recently upgraded from a DJ+ to a DJ500C, and, being a First Word Plus
owner, and more than a little handy, decided to write my own printer driver
that covered the built in typefaces of the new printer.

To my chagrin, after it was (mostly) complete, I discovered that a DeskJet 500
driver covered most of what I wanted to accomplish.

I'm not sure of the file, but it is available here on GENIE.

It uses the built-in courier for normal text, but when you choose
"proportional," it uses the built-in CG Times.

To the best of my knowledge, another complete driver is needed to have access
to the built-in Letter Gothic typestyle. I think it is a simple case of re-
configuring the above-mentioned DJ500 driver.

(I just checked, and it is. I have a LET_GOTH.CFG in my printer folder,
although I rarely use it. I _may_ have devised it myself, I dunno - no name is
in the file. Check GENIE for the DJ500 drivers, and if you can't find one for
Letter Gothic, let me know, and I'll upload it. From the way that 1st Word+
works, I don't think you can have Courier, Times, and Letter Gothic all in the
same driver.)

A.VALENT: The book "Deskjet Unlimited" gives a good description.

J.PIERCE5: Your DeskJet Plus has a built-in Times Roman?


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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 24        Sun Dec 06, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 11:27 EST
 
 >Category 4,  Topic 9
 >Message 22        Sat Dec 05, 1992
 >A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:25 EST
 >
 >Ted,
 >
 ><grin>...I think your sense of humor is great!  !
 >------

Anna,

Why, thank you!!  Yours must be pretty good too for you recognize mine..  :)

 <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, December 6, 1992 - 9:08:38 am
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 25        Mon Dec 07, 1992
J.PIERCE5 [Rob]              at 00:16 EST
 
Steve L:

My DeskJet Plus came with the Times Roman cartridge when I bought it used.  I
like the font, but it's proportional, so I can't make much use of it.

There are a few other cartridges I wouldn't mind getting for mine -- Helvetica
and Prestige come to mind.  Anybody know where I can score some of them
cheaply?

BTW, I left Frank P. GEmail the other day about purchasing OutBurST 3.0.  I
hope he replies soon!

Rob


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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 26        Mon Dec 07, 1992
A.VALENT [Mike]              at 20:18 EST
 
Steve - thanks for the answer... I've forgotten what I asked.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 27        Thu Dec 10, 1992
S.LIVERSIDGE [STEVE L]       at 19:56 EST
 
Mike: Yeah, sorry. Good answer, but I think I wrote it a week ago. A-lag!
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 28        Sun Dec 20, 1992
T.FERREIRA                   at 20:12 EST
 
Can the DeskJet 550C print full page of graphics (How much memory does it
have?) Also, what Atari programs will print color printouts. I have Pagestream
2.2. Will it print color with PGS 2.2? As for speed, how long to print a
picture to DESKjet 5550C. Tom Ferreira

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 29        Sun Dec 20, 1992
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 23:40 EST
 
Tom,

You're in luck!  I just uploaded PRINTALL.LZH, which is a program that will
print a variety of picture formats (including GIF and SPC) in color on your
DeskJet 550C!  It also supports grayscale for 500s and 'C's alike.  Great
program, and it's FREEWARE!

Since I don't have a 'C' (I simply have a 500), I'm interested in hearing how
this program works in color.  So please give us a review.

(tm)
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 30        Mon Dec 21, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:17 EDT
 
Message: 28, left on December 20, 1992  From: T.FERREIRA 


  >Can the DeskJet 550C print full page of graphics (How much memory
  >does it have?) Also, what Atari programs will print color printouts.


 Tom Ferreira,


         The DeskJet will have no problem printing full page graphics,
 it does not need  massive memory like a laser because it does not
 construct a full page at a time, just a line or two.


         In addition to he suggestion already offered I understand
 both current versions of Calamus SL and PageStream will print Color
 graphics on the DeskJet 500C.


 >> Joe M << 






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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 31        Mon Dec 21, 1992
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:02 EST
 
One feature that PRINTALL has is the ability to print to disk.  This means
that if you have a DJ500C at work (or elsewhere) you could print your pictures
to a disk, and then use the other machine to actually spew 'em out to the
printer.  I hope to test this after the holidays, but if anyone beats me to
please let us know how it works.
   Gordon
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 32        Fri Dec 25, 1992
R.BROWN30                    at 16:26 EST
 
PRINTALL does work quite well on the 500C. I've tested Spectrums, PI1's, and
some GIF's. On GIF's, especially 752x480 NTSC overscan grabs, the picture size
can get a bit obtrusive, burning a lot of ink even at 300 dpi. (Remember, it's
nearly 80 cents a page just in ink for color printing on the 500C!)

My question: Do I understand it correctly that the 500C and 550C utilize the
same driver, that is to say, the added black cartridge info is handled within
the 550 itself, and not in the color driver?

-Richard Brown
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 33        Fri Dec 25, 1992
POTECHIN [RT~Sysop]          at 21:24 EST
 
Calamus has separate drivers for the HP 500C and the 550C because of the added
Black Richard. That may or may not be indicative of anything at all. :-)

Nathan @ DMC
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 34        Sun Jan 03, 1993
S.JOHNSON10 [Steve]          at 03:19 EST
 
Are there any HP DeskJet/DJ Plus drivers available for programs like
WordWriter ST and WordUp 3.0?  I know WordWriter comes with its own printer
configuration program, but I had the manual and disks stolen a while back and
I didn't have the printer config. program on my hard drive.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 35        Sun Jan 03, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 14:04 EST
 
Steve,

I downloaded a Word Writer driver from the GEnie Library, when I first got my
DJ500.  I don't know the filename, but if you do a search on DESKJET, it will
surely come up.  I've only used it a couple times, but it seems to work ok.

                                ((( Terry )))

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 36        Sun Jan 03, 1993
E.BETZ [Bud]                 at 14:41 EST
 
S.JOHNSON10 [STEVE]

There is a program for the ST called Outburst ST 3.0.  According to the add in
STI, it works with all paralell printers but is especially effective with the
HP DJ and LJ printers.  I myself do not use WW nor do I currently own a DJ
printer.  But I have had my eye on them for quite some time.  I have also been
monitoring this section of the BBS and according to what I recall, Outburst is
THE program to use with the HP printers.  Good luck!
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 37        Sun Jan 03, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 16:38 EST
 
 Outburst will, or so I've heard, dramtically increase your printing time.
 It won't handle the special effects, etc that the DJ is capable of.
 That's the responsiblity of the software and printer driver.
 Gordon
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 38        Mon Jan 04, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 03:30 EST
 
Anyone who has successfully refilled a DJ ink cart,

I have a DJ500 and my double capacity cart ran out.  I bought me a bottle of
ink and through a lot of trouble, a needle.  I filled my needle with ink,
stuck it in the top of the cart, and started to fill the cart.  The only
problem was that the ink was coming out of the jets not longer after the ink
was going in.  I tried filling it slowly, but it didn't help.  I tried taping
the jets closed, but the ink still came out.  I made sure the needle wasn't
completely covering the hole at the top.  I know there needs to be somewhere
where escaping air needs to go.

Nothing I do seems to keep the ink in the cart.  What am I doing wrong?  Is
there a special way to hold the cart?  Help!

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 3, 1993 - 11:45:42 pm

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 39        Mon Jan 04, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:53 EDT
 
Message: 38, left on January 4, 1993  From: K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]


  >Anyone who has successfully refilled a DJ ink cart,
  >  I have a DJ500 and my double capacity cart ran out. 


 Kyle,


         I have never used a double capacity cartridge.  I understand
 they are different from the standard in construction so them may need
 a different load instruction.


         Sorry I can't help.


 >> Joe M << 




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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 40        Mon Jan 04, 1993
F-D-PERCIVAL [Fred P.]       at 06:24 EST
 
Kyle,

I've never used a double cart either. What type of ink did you use and how
much did you put in? I've heard reports of a siphon effect in regular
cartridges if they are overfilled.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 41        Mon Jan 04, 1993
DENNYA [Denny Atkin]         at 12:11 EST
 
Seems like I read somewhere that the double-capacity carts use a bladder
arrangement to hold the ink and aren't refillable.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 42        Mon Jan 04, 1993
SANDY.W [sysop]              at 15:47 EST
 
This was discussed previously in this topic. That discussion is probably in
the archives by now, but I didn't look. The consensus then seemed to be that
the larger cartridges were not refillable.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 43        Mon Jan 04, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:01 EST
 
Yup, the high capacity cartridges are not refillable.  The regular carts have
a sponge-type-thing inside that soaks up the refill ink. Once you puncture a
high-capacity cart you're left with a sieve, as you discovered.
 Gordon
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 44        Tue Jan 05, 1993
S.JOHNSON10 [Steve]          at 00:56 EST
 
Thanks all!  I had Aladdin do several library searches for 'HP' and 'DeskJet'
and found some of the things I needed.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 45        Tue Jan 05, 1993
W.PIKE [PACMan]              at 21:05 EST
 
Salutations Steve,

 The ONLY driver that I know of for the DeskJet and WordUp 3 is TurboJet.  It
is/was a commercial program with about a $40 tag on it.
 TurboJet was produced by Neocept, the same people that produced WordUp.  I
have no idea as to who has the copywrite now if anybody.

Salutations Kyle,

 The HIGH CAPACITY cartridges are NOT refillable.  The standard cartridges
are, however only a couple of times due to wear on the jets.  Don't use a
refilled cartridge for high quality printing.

 The standard cartridges have an air hole in the top while the Hi Capacity
have the hole covered.

 PACMan

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 46        Tue Jan 05, 1993
SANDY.W [sysop]              at 22:22 EST
 
Migraph also has a GDOS driver for the DeskJet. I remember it as working
better than the Neocept driver.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 47        Wed Jan 06, 1993
T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.]        at 02:27 EST
 
There is a DeskJet GDOS driver in the Font GDOS package.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 48        Wed Jan 06, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 03:11 EST
 
Fred,

I used Higgins ink from Faber-Castell.  Instead of the question of how much
did I put in it, I think how much did I NOT get in it would be better.  I
couldn't get any in it.  It went in, and then went out.
 )-:

Everyone,

Doubles are refillable... ok.  Thanx!  I am not insane!  (-:

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 6, 1993 - 1:37:12 am

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 49        Wed Jan 06, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 03:13 EST
 
OOOOPSSS!!

My last message should have read "Double carts are NOT refillable." Thanx for
telling me fellas!

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 6, 1993 - 2:13:24 am

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 50        Wed Jan 06, 1993
F-D-PERCIVAL [Fred P.]       at 05:47 EST
 
Kyle,

I think Higgins ink might be a poor choice to refill any type of cartridge.
You want an ink that is at least nominally water soluble for compatibility
with the ink already in the cartridge. Most refillers use Scrip ink, but
people have also had success with Quink.

For a long time I've been trying to use colored Scrip ink for refills, but
have always run into serious clogging problems. I've been having better
results recently. I think it's because I've started storing the 'off line'
cartridges in sandwich-size baggies instead of the various containers I'd
tried previously.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 51        Wed Jan 06, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 20:58 EST
 
Steve,

If you are going to use Word Up & the DJ.. Try to get "TurboJet" which was put
out by Neocept, makers of WU..

I think that perhaps some dealers like TOAD or E. Arthur Brown, may have a new
copy left in stock. if not contact me and I may sell you mine....

The only problem with 'OutburST is you cannot use a software print spooler..
There was/is a new version of OutburST which will included a built in spooler,
but I have not seen it, as of yet..

 <-:}Ted{:->  Monday, January 4, 1993 - 8:18:46 am

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 52        Thu Jan 07, 1993
S.JOHNSON10 [Steve]          at 01:00 EST
 
W.PIKE - Yikes!  Neocept wanted $40 just for a driver?  That makes me even
less sympathetic about them going under, not to mention them releasing a
horribly buggy program to begin with.  WordUp COULD have been one of the best
word processors ever made if only the bugs were eliminated.  I LOVED the
dictionary and thesaurus on it (as well as many of the other features)and
kinda miss it.  I don't miss the random system crashes it caused, though.
<grin>


SANDY.W - Is the Migraph GDOS driver PD or does it come as part of Touch-Up or
somesuch?


Are there any other GDOS drivers for the DeskJet?  Also, has anyone here tried
the Epson MX-80 (I don't recognize the 'MX' in that) emulator for the DeskJet
that's available in the library?  If so, how is it?
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 53        Thu Jan 07, 1993
A.VALENT [Mike]              at 07:30 EST
 
Yet I've bought refilled hi-cap cartridges from P_S, Inc (colored ink) and
they sell refills for those cartridges. Looks like there must be some way to
do it?
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Message 54        Thu Jan 07, 1993
F-D-PERCIVAL [Fred P.]       at 07:46 EST
 
I used Turbojet with WordUp until I got FSM. Then I started using the Atari
FSM GDOS H-P printer driver. It's better than Turbojet; the only flaw is that
somebody forgot to put in the code for a formfeed at the end of a page, so you
have to manually eject every sheet. Perhaps the Font GDOS, which is in the
library here, has an 'improved' driver.
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Message 55        Thu Jan 07, 1993
SANDY.W [sysop]              at 10:58 EST
 
Steve - The Migraph driver was a seperate product. I don't know its current
cost.
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Message 56        Thu Jan 07, 1993
M.ALLEN14 [Mike Allen]       at 21:23 EST
 
Steve,

The MX-80 was the very first 9-pin printer that Epson made.  The original
version had the TRS-80 Model I graphics set in it.  There were 2 or 3 other
versions, the latest with Graftrax+.

I bought my MX-80 about 10-12 years ago and paid $500 for it.  I have just
retired it in favor of a Canon BJ-300.  I gave me good, reliable service for
all these years.

Has nothing to do with DeskJets, but I couldn't resist the historical trivia. 
8^}

        Mike Allen

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Message 57        Fri Jan 08, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:59 EST
 
I have good success with Schaeffer's blue Skrip ink, but haven't tried any of
the other colors.  For a long time I couldn't find any black ink in this
entire area, must have been alot of refillers around. ;) I did try some Quink,
but it clogged my cartridges too much, probably just a run of bad luck though.
   Gordon
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Message 58        Fri Jan 08, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 22:31 EST
 
Anyone,

Has anyone had trouble using the Avery labels 5351?  My DeskJet is having
trouble feeding it.  It starts to feed fine, but eventually, the right side
slows down and the page starts coming out slanted.  It ends up jamming the DJ.
Is there anything I can adjust to fix this and am I doing something wrong?

Thanx!

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 8, 1993 - 9:15:40 pm

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 59        Fri Jan 08, 1993
D.OWENS                      at 22:54 EST
 
Joe

I don't have any Double Capacity Cartridges but you can buy refill kits from
Computer Friends, Inc. 1-800-547-3303, or they will refill them with color for
you. I bought the kit and the instructions says: When refilling double
capacity cartridges make certain not to punch center hole just take the
special tool and punch out the plastic ball in the back corner which is the
fill hole and the cartridge will hold 30 to 40 cc of ink.

Denver

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Message 60        Sat Jan 09, 1993
S.JOHNSON10 [Steve]          at 02:18 EST
 
Unfortunately, you HAVE to buy TurboJet if you want to run WordUp with a
DeskJet (or LaserJet) since WordUp 3.0's installation program REQUIRES
TurboJet to install such a WordUp 3.0 setup.  Could Neocept have been MORE
lame???
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Message 61        Sat Jan 09, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 11:27 EST
 
SYSOPS:  The just released PRTALL.LZH is the same exact file that I uploaded a
few weeks ago under the name PRINTALL.LZH.  (I expanded the stupid CI$
filename. :^)

That is, I _assume_ it's the same file, since it does the same thing and is
the same exact size.  :^)

                                ((( Terry )))

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Message 62        Sat Jan 09, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 12:01 EDT
 
Message: 58, left on January 8, 1993  From: K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]


  >  Has anyone had trouble using the Avery labels 5351?  ... Is there
  >anything I can adjust to fix this and am I doing something wrong?


         I have never had any problems.  Maybe you should give HP a
 call and see what they have to say.


 >> Joe M << 





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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 63        Sat Jan 09, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 16:50 EST
 
Steve,

WordUp sold the printer driver(s) for Laser and Deskjets as a separate
package.  I think it was called their "TurboJet" package or something.  After
Neocept went under, E. Arthur Brown Co. WAS selling WordUp 3.0, but I don't
know if they still are.  If you want to contact them, their address, etc. is:

E. Arthur Brown Co.
 3404 Pawnee Dr.
 Alexandria, MN 56308
 1-612-762-8847

For orders only call:

1-800-322-4405

          Anna @ Atari Advantage


*******************************************
 Bud,

I THINK Outburst somehow uses a programs' printer drivers (that the software
company supplies) to speed up a document's output.  With WordUp, unless
someone has the Deskjet printer drivers/fonts, Outburst cannot do its job.  I
know, at one time, when Outburst was fairly 'new on the scene', I wanted to
try it with my Deskjet 500; because I was missing the printer driver(s), I
couldn't use it. (When I originally bought WordUp, I didn't own a Deskjet and
therefore did not order the extra printer drivers (see above message).


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Message 64        Mon Jan 11, 1993
J.E.HARDIN                   at 21:23 EST
 
HP 500 Problems???
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Message 65        Mon Jan 11, 1993
J.E.HARDIN                   at 21:28 EST
 
What No. 64 was supposed to say was..... I am having a real problem with my HP
500. It doesn't work!!!
  I have run it from a Radio Shack m100, but on my Mega ST it doesn't work. I
get error messages that the printer won't accept data. I checked the  cacable
and tried an old printer from the Port - they work.
  Is there something I'm missing here???
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Message 66        Mon Jan 11, 1993
T.MCCOMB [=Tom=]             at 23:08 EST
 
Turn the printer on BEFORE the computer.

-Tom

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Message 67        Tue Jan 12, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 07:07 EDT
 
Message: 65, left on January 11, 1993  From: J.E.HARDIN 


  >HP 500. It doesn't work!!!
  >  I have run it from a Radio Shack m100, but on my Mega ST it doesn't
  >work.


         Turn on the printer before you turn on the printer and it
 will be fine.  You can also do a quick fix to the printer cable for
 about $0.50 and a little time to get around this problem.  If you
 would like the instructions let me know.


 >> Joe M << 







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Message 68        Tue Jan 12, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 15:55 EST
 
 
 >         Turn on the printer before you turn on the printer and it
 > will be fine...

Joe, do you mean turn on the printer before turning on the computer [grin].

                                *******Brian*********
        Written on Tuesday 12 January 1993 at 04:24 p.m. AST

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Message 69        Tue Jan 12, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:57 EST
 
..and if you forget to turn on the printer before the computer, use one of the
handy utilities (here in the library) to 'revive' your DJ so it will listen to
your ST.
  Gordon

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Message 70        Tue Jan 12, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 21:51 EST
 
Or do what I do:  Leave both the printer AND the computer on 24 hours a day!

                                ((( Terry )))

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 71        Thu Jan 14, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David]          at 10:17 EST
 
I am trying to find the best program for printing mailing lists to Avery 5160
laser labels using a Deskjet Classic.

I've been reading about problems that people have had trying to do this with
Cardfile.

I've used Jetlabel 1.1 available here on GEnie, but it doesn't align the
addresses with all the labels and ruins half the page.

I've tried the Jetlabel Elite demo which seems to work pretty well and I am
considering sending off $25 to Mike Young for his working version but I need a
labeler right away, and since I'm lucky enough to have a good inexpensive
local Atari dealer who can get things quickly, I'm still considering other
programs such as:

The Deskjet Utilities Pak:  Has anyone here used this program for mailing
lists?  I need a program that will easily import an ascii text list.

Tracker:  Does this work well with the Deskjet and Avery labels?

Thanks for your suggestions.
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 72        Thu Jan 14, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 15:16 EST
 
The new Cardfile is much better at label printing than the prior version. It
is easy to use and very reliable.

Tracker also works well with labels, and has a bit more flexibility.

(Yes it does have a DJet driver and an Avery Template.)

THe DJet Util. Pack is competent, and should "someday" get the promised
upgrade. The first two are well supported here ion GEnie, the last is not
presently.

There is also a Pagestream template in the libraries which is excellent,
particualrly since you have an ASCII list.

The first two will give you much more than just label printing!

Brian D Gockley @ ST Informer
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Message 73        Thu Jan 14, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 23:36 EST
 
There was a program in the libraries that worked with the 5160 labels. Try
searching on 5160 or Chet Walters or labels. It worked real well when I tried
it.

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Message 74        Fri Jan 15, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David]          at 02:22 EST
 
 The Chet Walters program was specifically for Avery 5260's.  It
 didn't work too well with my 5160's and also did some very strange
 things when I tried to import a large Ascii file even though I
 thought I was following it's recommended format for the file.

 My dealer also suggested Mail Manager ST.  Does anyone here use that?

 I just downloaded the Tracker demo (350,000+ bytes!) and will give it
 a looksee.
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Message 75        Fri Jan 15, 1993
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 02:44 EST
 
You have to have the text formatted properly for Chet's program to work. I use
it all the time because it simple and quick. (And _that_ list has always been
a straight ASCII text file.)

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Message 76        Fri Jan 15, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:36 EDT
 
Message: 74, left on January 15, 1993  From: FAIRWEATHER [David]


  > The Chet Walters program was specifically for Avery 5260's.  It
  > didn't work too well with my 5160's


         I believe there was a second program for the 5160's.


 >> Joe M << 







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Message 77        Fri Jan 15, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David]          at 10:28 EST
 
Joe, if there was a second Walters program specifically for 5160's, it didn't
show up when I did a file search on "labels" or on "deskjet".
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Message 78        Fri Jan 15, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:44 EST
 
I think Tracker ST would be your best bet.

                   Anna @ Atari Advantage

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 79        Fri Jan 15, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 22:05 EST
 
The latest MEI/Micro Center catalog has HP refill kits for the standard size
cartridges.  Price is $8.49 for 2 or more kits; each kit is good for two
refills.  Phone number:  1-800-634-3478.

                                ((( Terry )))

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Message 80        Sat Jan 16, 1993
FAIRWEATHER [David]          at 01:08 EST
 
Thanks Anna, I looked at the Tracker demo today and came to the same
conclusion.  It's the way to go!
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 81        Sat Jan 16, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 06:11 EST
 
 >Message 73        Thu Jan 14, 1993
 >R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 23:36 EST
 >
 >There was a program in the libraries that worked with the 5160 labels. Try
 >searching on 5160 or Chet Walters or labels. It worked real well when I
tried
 >it.
 >
 >----------

All:

 I found the Chet Walters porgram the ideal one with the DeskJet..

 You could 'send' the address from CardFile..  You can use the Avery #5260
Laser Printer Labels, which means 30 labels per sheet, all printed nice and
neat, or just one lable, if that's what you wanted..

 And with Chet's program you could save the sheet, or many sheets.. You know,
one sheet for personal use, or 1 sheet of "A thru M", or an Xmas list..  Good
program....

I didn't like tracker.. I have Mail Mananger, but haven't fooled with it
yet...

 <-:}Ted{:->  Friday, January 15, 1993 - 8:01:10 am

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Message 82        Sat Jan 16, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 09:05 EST
 
 >Message 79        Fri Jan 15, 1993
 >OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 22:05 EST
 >
 >The latest MEI/Micro Center catalog has HP refill kits for the standard size
 >cartridges.  Price is $8.49 for 2 or more kits; each kit is good for two
 >refills.  Phone number:  1-800-634-3478.
 >----------

Terry,

Yes I saw that too..  But they state that it will not work with the bigger, 
newer DJ carts... Which I am now using.. I may just go back to the old ones,
now though........

They also state/recommend that you refill the cart just before it runs
completely out.. So it's not all dried out, I guess..

This may be the way to go, fellow DJ users...  :)

 <-:}Ted{:->  Saturday, January 16, 1993 - 8:56:20 am
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Message 83        Sat Jan 16, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 22:39 EST
 
Ted,

Same here.  I switched to the high capacity carts, but I think I'll go back
now, and use MEI's refill kits.

Actually, they say to refill "immediately after or just before" it runs out. 
So I would guess that you can refill as soon as you start seeing streaking,
and all will be fine.

I know I could do it cheaper, but I'm lazy.  I'll just buy the kits! ;^)

Btw, I got some address and disk labels from MEI, but have yet to test them
yet.  I'll try to get to them in a few days...

                                ((( Terry )))

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Message 84        Sun Jan 17, 1993
J.STRAND1 [John]             at 12:16 EST
 
TO ALL,

I talk to one of our club members at our last meeting and he brought up a
possible solution to refilling the extra capacity DJ cartridge.

He said at work they have a HP machine, (I think it's a HP fax) that had a
bladder type cartridge.

They cut a hole in the cartridge, used a needle to refill the bladder, then
put a piece of Scotch tape over the hole.

He said it is still working like a camp.


...... John (PSAN)
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Message 85        Sun Jan 17, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 14:43 EST
 
 >Message 83        Sat Jan 16, 1993
 >OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 22:39 EST
 >
 >Same here.  I switched to the high capacity carts, but I think I'll go back
 >now, and use MEI's refill kits.

I've got one high capacity cart left!!  I usually buy 2 at a time from MEI...
So you will be getting one ahead of me.. Let us know what you think of the kit
when you get your hands on one....

 >Actually, they say to refill "immediately after or just before" it runs out.
 >So I would guess that you can refill as soon as you start seeing streaking,
 >and all will be fine.

You know that's funny.. Mine never start to 'streak', when they are done.. The
print just starts to fade and gets very hard to read....

 >I know I could do it cheaper, but I'm lazy.  I'll just buy the kits! ;^)

I'm with you here too, besides I don't know where to get a needle for
refilling, or where to get the ink you need around here..

 >Btw, I got some address and disk labels from MEI, but have yet to test them
 >yet.  I'll try to get to them in a few days...

Yes do let us know about them.. I'm running low on both a will be buying some
shortly..

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, January 17, 1993 - 1:14:42 pm
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 86        Sun Jan 17, 1993
J.STRAND1 [John]             at 21:22 EST
 
Terry,

I can't believe that you like to spend an extra $22.00 for refilling your
cartridges.

A bottle of Sheaffer Skrip Jet Black Ink costs $4.00 and the needle costs .30.

You get 6-8 refills depending on how much the used cartridge will accept.

...... John (PSAN)

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Message 87        Sun Jan 17, 1993
E.BETZ [Bud]                 at 23:39 EST
 
I have been monitoring this topic for about 6 months now, and it (they, ie DJ
500/C and DJ550) seems to be the printer of choice for the ST line.

My question is, of the three, is there any significant difference in the
printers besides the obvious (500=black, 500C=black+color but requires swaping
carts, 550C=black+color but no swaping) difference? The main reason I ask is
Sears has the DJ500 for about $489 and the DJ500C on sale for $549.00, and I
value the BBS users' opinions!  To DJ500 or not to DJ500 (or look for a 550),
that is the question?
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 88        Mon Jan 18, 1993
M.POCHE [Mick]               at 04:13 EST
 
Bud -

I use a DJ+, but I think one other advantage the 550C has over the 500C is the
fact that since the 550C uses both color and black carts, you get true blacks
when printing in color, whereas the 500C mixes the colors to produce blacks in
color printouts. The mixing, from what I've heard, causes black to actually
look a little muddy-green.

I've seen the self-running demo printouts from the 550C and it looked really
nice, but it was quite slow compared to black printing. Could have something
to do with the software the demo was using, though I would guess that any
color printing is slower than plain black.

No matter which you choose, I think you'll be quite happy with the DJ's, and
they are well supported in the ST world.

- Mick

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 89        Mon Jan 18, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 07:53 EDT
 
Message: 87, left on January 17, 1993  From: E.BETZ [Bud]




  >Sears has the DJ500 for about $489 and the DJ500C on sale for
  >$549.00,


         I would look for a better deal!


 >> Joe M << 








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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 90        Mon Jan 18, 1993
J.LYONS16 [JPL]              at 14:42 EST
 
Bud,
     You might want to check around on pricing for the DJ500.  I think I saw
it at Bizmart or Mei Microcenter (I forget which) for $349 which is down from
their regular $399.

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Message 91        Mon Jan 18, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:25 EST
 
John, & Bud:

John: In your note to Terry.. It's not $22 to refill the carts.. It's more
like $4-5.00, with the MEI kits.. You get 2 refills per kit.

Bud: I just read in Sunday's paper the the "INKJETS" have passed the Laser
printers in sales volume for the first time.. And since the HP is the leading
seller of "inkjets", it looks like we all made a wise choice in printer
selection, huh??  I don't think you can go wrong with an HP..  Now, if we
could just say that, about our 'computer of choice'... Just kidding, guys...
:)



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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 92        Tue Jan 19, 1993
D.SEBERG [IceBerg]           at 00:08 EST
 
Bud,

Not considering the price $$ factor, you need to ask yourself what your
primary use of the printer will be.

Currently, there aren't a whole heck of a lot of programs that support the
color output of the 500C or the 550.  PageStream and Calamus do but I can't
think of too many others.  If you do a lot of Desktop Publishing or enjoy
writing your own programs that would take advantage of the color output then
by all means get the DeskJet 500C or 550, otherwise you may be better off with
the excellent black and white output offered by the DeskJet 500.

**********

Ted,

You're right, at least we went MAINSTREAM in our choice of printers. :^)

         Dave
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Message 93        Tue Jan 19, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 02:12 EST
 
John,

How do you figure it's costing me $22 to refill my cartridges?  The refill
kits are $8.49 for each kit, and each kit will refill two cartridges.

                                ((( Terry )))

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 94        Tue Jan 19, 1993
T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.]        at 02:46 EST
 
Bud, our local Bizmart has the Deskjet 500's for $399.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 95        Tue Jan 19, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 19:53 EST
 
I don't see where the commercial refill kits are any less hassle than doing it
yourself with a needle, the steps are the same.  But to each their own,
afterall...it's good for the economy.  ;)
  Gordon
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 96        Tue Jan 19, 1993
B.MADDREY [BUCK]             at 21:10 EST
 
Desakjet and font Cartridge I have a dj+ and the times Roman font cart. What
is the secret to using it with STWriter and getting it to fill out a complete
line?
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 97        Tue Jan 19, 1993
T.MCCOMB [=Tom=]             at 22:59 EST
 
What do you mean fill out a complete line?

It's probably not a mono-spaced font, it's probably proportional.

 -Tom McComb
  {10:22 pm}  Tuesday, January 19, 1993


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Message 98        Tue Jan 19, 1993
J.STRAND1 [John]             at 23:28 EST
 
Ted & Terry,

I guess you didn't read my hole message. I didn't say that it would cost you
$22 to refill a cartridge. I said I couldn't believe you like to spend an
extra $22.00 for refilling your cartridges. A bottle of Sheaffer cost $4.00
and a needle is .30. You get 6-8 refills depending on how much the cartridge
will accept.

Ok lets start some addition. A kit costs $8.49 for two refills, lets say a
even $9.00 because you have to pay for shipping.

So you buy 3ea Kits at $27.00 and get six refills.

I buy Ink and a needle for $4.30, lets say a even $5.00, I have to pay Tax. I
get 6 to 8 refills for $5.00.

$27.00 - $5.00 = $22.00, how about that addition, works every time (smile).

------------------------------------- BUD,

My local Sears store has the DJ 500 for $399. The new DJ550 looks like a
better deal if you could afford one.


...... John (PSAN)

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 99        Wed Jan 20, 1993
R.BROWN30                    at 00:52 EST
 
Regarding Avery label printing on the HP. I wrote the PageStream macros for
Avery 5160, 5164, and 5196 labels, available here on GEnie as FREEware. For
those owning PageStream who want labeling power that exceeds any expectation
in terms of quality and versatility that you may have, please check them out!

Here is a sample of the power of these macros, taken from the included README
file that comes in the _tiny_ download (something like 2-3K as an LZH):

                 AVERY 5160 Labels and PageStream
                           Macro Magic

WITH THIS MACRO SET YOU CAN:

*  make 30 identical labels with infinite text & graphics. *  make 15
identical labels as above, half the page, from top. *  make 10 identical
labels as above, vertically from the top. *  make  3 identical labels as
above, horizontally, from left.

*  make any combination of unique or identical labels (2 of this,
   4 of that, 7 of these, 1 of those, etc.)

*  erase one label and replace it with its north, south, east, or
   west neighbor with ease (text, graphics, or both).

*  add a graphic element to any or all of the labels on a page.

*  make a master label pre-centered for four lines of 12 point
   text with 1 point leading (like a return address label).

*  make use of Cardfile for instant address entry (reduce finger
   wear: type it ONCE, use FILTERS, etc.).

Actually, the true utility is virtually infinite and limited only by your
ingenuity. The term "identical" is sort of a misnomer, as it is easy to have
30 different address labels using Cardfile as your input device. The point is,
you could vary the style, graphics, etc. to the labels, singly or multiply,
maintaining perfect positioning all the while, with a WYSIWYG preview... and
on and on... It's also _FAST_.

--Richard Brown

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Message 100       Wed Jan 20, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 21:13 EST
 
Dave:

I am always right, don't you know that by now??  :)....

Gordon:

The big problem for most people, I am sure is getting the 'needle'..

John Strand:

Where do you purchase your needles??

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Wednesday, January 20, 1993 - 1:05:20 pm


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Message 101       Thu Jan 21, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 02:21 EST
 
David,

Do not buy the DJ Utils Pak!!  Save your $$$!!  You can find programs as good
and better on GEnie.

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 16, 1993 - 1:20:28 am

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 102       Sat Jan 23, 1993
AEO.5 [Ed Krimen]            at 01:04 EST
 
I haven't gotten a needle for my DJ carts yet either, but someone in another
roundtable also suggested trying to get a needle from a vet/farm animal store.

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Message 103       Sat Jan 23, 1993
M.DEMETZ1 [  Miked]          at 07:53 EST
 
We got a color DJ at work. I did not notice if it was the 500C or 550C but I
did notice it has a 10 envelope feed system.
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Message 104       Sat Jan 23, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 08:27 EST
 
 >Message 102       Sat Jan 23, 1993
 >AEO.5 [Ed Krimen]            at 01:04 EST
 >
 >I haven't gotten a needle for my DJ carts yet either, but someone in another
 >roundtable also suggested trying to get a needle from a vet/farm animal
store.
 >
 >----------

Ed,

And when you ask for it, they will all look at you like you're a drugie...  :)

 <-:}Ted{:->  Saturday, January 23, 1993 - 7:58:18 am
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Message 105       Sat Jan 23, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 09:22 EST
 
        I got my needle from my doctor who is also interested in
 computers.  He gave me a hand full.  But he does know me well and I
 doubt if you just came in if he would pass out needles.


 >> Joe M << 

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Message 106       Sat Jan 23, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 11:27 EST
 
Miked,

If it has the envelope feed system, it is the newer 550C....

 <-:}Ted{:->  Saturday, January 23, 1993 - 8:35:04 am
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Message 107       Sat Jan 23, 1993
D.CHARTER                    at 13:32 EST
 
Buck,
 The Times Roman is a proportional font.  This causes the characters to be
closer together.  With WordPerfect I need to set the margins to 7 and 94 to
get a full line.

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Message 108       Sat Jan 23, 1993
J.STEINGROBE                 at 14:53 EST
 
Hello.  I have   a Deskjet 500 and I am having a few problems.  Actually only
1 pe p roblem.  The problem I am having is a kind of banding effect when I am
printing grao phics or from Pagestream.  I don't have the problem when
printing just plain text from WP.  I won't say that it is real bad but it just
eb nough to really annoy me.  I just changed from the regular capicity c ink
cartridges to yj  the high capicity one and this problem has started to
happen.  It may be circumstat ntial or maybe not, but could the high high
capicity cartridge be the culprit.  

 When using the lower capicity cartridge there was a little bit of banding but
after copting the documeb nt on a good copy machine it was gone.  This
particular type of banding has just a small white line about every 1/8 to 1/4
of an inch an it really help    bugs me  .  

Any help or ides as, I would appreciate them.
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Message 109       Sat Jan 23, 1993
B.GOCKLEY [Brian G.]         at 20:23 EST
 
That is a clear signal that one of your jets is clogged. In theory, the
lititlle buggers can be cleaned with a toothbrush style brush. Sometimes it
seems to be the cartridge's fault.

Try a new cartridge or some magic!

Brian D Gockley @ ST Informer
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Message 110       Sat Jan 23, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:38 EST
 
You're welcome, David.  Tracker is a powerful program and I don't think you
will be disappointed.

        Anna @ Atari Advantage

-------------------------------------------
 E.BETZ [Bud]

The Sears in our area is selling the DJ500 for $399.  I would check other
places for their prices before plunking down $489.

I have a DJ500 and love it!  I wouldn't mind having the DJ550C, but my
checkbook doesn't agree at all [grin].



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Message 111       Sat Jan 23, 1993
G.ZEPKA1 [Greg]              at 23:47 EST
 
  I have had a simalar banning problem, it seems more pevelent in winter then
in summer.  I am not sure if it is the heat or other weather or just
coencedence. Greg
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Message 112       Sat Jan 23, 1993
J.STRAND1 [John]             at 23:48 EST
 
Ted,

I picked up a needle from a local Kirk Drug store. I called first and told
them what I needed it for, I must have gotten the head Pharmacist or I wasn't
the first to request a needle to refill inkjet cartridges. I asked if there
was a law in (WA) that prevented him from selling me a needle and he said
there wasn't.

When I went to the Drug store to buy the needle the counter person was very
reluctant to sale me a needle, she had to ask the Pharmacist. I said I was the
one who had call and he OK the sale.

When buying a needle to refill the DJ cartridge I would suggest a 1-1/2 inch
needle with 6cc volume.

I picked up my Sheaffer Skrip Jet Black Ink at a local J. K. Gills
Book/stationary store for $3.50. This was their last bottle and it was in a
yellow box. I think their new price is $4 now and Sheaffer comes in a red box
now.

I have found as far as for the best paper to use with the DJ is a cotton base
paper of 24lb. Capitol bond,25% cotton, 24lb works very well and is available
at some of the COSTCO stores. The best results that I have had is when using
Southworth Resumes 100% cotton, white, 24lb. I buy this paper at Office Depot
for around $4.30 for a 100 sheets.

PAPER Direct has a InkJet cotton paper, 25% cotton, white, 28lb. for 11.95 for
100 sheets. I might have to give this a try. The InkJet Ultra they sell seems
to bleed a little.


...... John (PSAN)


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Message 113       Sun Jan 24, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 08:36 EST
 
John Strand,

Thanks for the post... I'm willing to bet there is a law here in Pennsylvania
preventing needle sales.. There is a law against everything.. :0

Do you fill your cart, before it is empty or after??

I have been using the resume' paper lately for premium quality print outs.
(Real important stuff).. I, actually my son bought it for doing his resumes..

It is put out by Eaton and comes 100 sheets to a box with 50 envelopes.. It's
called the "Resume' Ensemble", and is a real nice watermarked paper..  The out-
put using this paper is the best I have discovered thus far with the DeskJet..
I'm afraid to ask him what he paid for it.. :)

Later,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, January 24, 1993 - 7:24:42 am

P.S.  Yes, I did try the sampler from Paper Direct.. But this resume' paper is
the best looking output yet..
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Message 114       Sun Jan 24, 1993
DARLAH [RT~SYSOP]            at 09:45 EST
 
Could you find out whatthe cost is? Now you have my curiosity.
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Message 115       Sun Jan 24, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:46 EST
 
Message: 108, left on January 23, 1993  From: J.STEINGROBE 


  >  The problem I am having is a kind of banding effect when I am
  >printing grao phics or from Pagestream.  I don't have the problem
  >when printing just plain text from WP.


         1)  You may have a bad cart.  You might try cleaning as
             suggested

         2)  The different ink many not be spreading (feathering) as
             far.   You might try different paper.


         3)  You might have a machine problem (rather unlikely)


         It does not show up as much in WP since you don't have as
 large raster or fill areas.  As suggested even changes in humidity or
 altitude can make a difference.


 Good luck


 >> Joe M << 







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Message 116       Mon Jan 25, 1993
J.STEINGROBE                 at 00:53 EST
 
Thanks for the help on the be anding problem.  I will look into it. I was
wondering about cleaning the jets, where would I find info on doing that It
could be a bad cartridge.  I don't know how to clean them (jets). Any ideas on
doing it.  I also do think it is the paper.  I am using  Weyerhauser First
Choice and it is great.  I a have tried other papers but none compare to First
Choicewhen     wheb n it comes to quality on the DJ. THanks for the quick
reply, I appreciate it.
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Message 117       Mon Jan 25, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 02:55 EST
 
The DeskJet manual gives complete cleaning instructions...  RTFDJM!  ;^)

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Message 118       Mon Jan 25, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:02 EST
 
        I use a wet Q-Tip for cleaning and it seems to work well.  As
 for paper, I would never say what I am using is great so I should
 dismiss that as a problem.  With a change in ink (sometimes they
 don't tell you they did a reformulation) or just a change of
 humidity, your paper needs can change.


 >> Joe M <<
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Message 119       Mon Jan 25, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 07:15 EST
 
J.STEINGROBE,
  I don't know what you are using to edit you messages but, they do not come
out right when you edit stuff. You need to use your backspace key or make sure
you have GEnie setup to do a destructive backspace or something. Just thought
I would let you know.

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Message 120       Mon Jan 25, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 09:48 EST
 
People who live in states so panic stricken that they have outlawed  needles,
and don't happen to know how to obtain one outside of normal channels, might
try looking at their local hobby store.  I don't know if it's still the case,
but I recall from my youth that hobby stores used to sell syringe-like devices
used to oil small parts on model trains, slot cars, and the like.  
   Gordon
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Message 121       Tue Jan 26, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 00:13 EST
 
Ted E.,

I know what you mean when you talk about them looking at you like a druggie. 
I told the man at Eckerds that it was for my dog.  I found that every druggist
I told the truth to I received a straight, firm NO.  I had to fib to get a
needle.  Oh well...

John,

I found Hammermill Laser Print paper to be pretty good for the inkjets.  It
runs a little less than $7/ream.

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 23, 1993 - 11:13:58 pm


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Message 122       Tue Jan 26, 1993
R.BROWN30                    at 00:32 EST
 
Reading the current string on papers, I'd like to mention the LaserEdge line,
trademarked by CF, Incorporated of Miami, FL, and manufactured by Schoeller
Technical Papers, Inc., Pulaski, N.Y.

Their papers: HR-10 (medium weight) and HR-20 (heavy weight) are specially
coated, and designed especially for laser _and_ inkjet printers. I've worked
with the developer of these papers (and seen awesome things from the 'drawing'
board), and comparing these papers with literally dozens of others, have found
HR-10 and 20 hands down _best_, optimizing all aspects of DeskJet printing.

Another Schoeller paper, IJ-30, is optimized for the Deskjet 500C and 550C, as
the color cartridge's "inks" are not really inks, but moreso like dyes, and
need a different coating for optimized contrast and saturation on color
printing. ** IJ-30 IS NOT FOR BLACK INK DESKJET PRINTING (if you want to see
something _bad_, try it) **

IJ-30 is absolutely eye-popping in the way it enhances color intensity out of
the 500C. It is _so_ dramatically different from _any_ other paper that you
have to tweek the color levels of the TIF or whatever file you happen to be
printing. Odd to think of 'too _much_ color' relative to DJ output. It's
amazing stuff.

Price is an object, however. Expect to pay more than $.10 a _sheet_. For this
reason, LaserEdge papers come in 250 sheet quantity.

I believe Paper Direct carries these papers, but under another brand name.
They indicate "OK for Inkjet" (but they also say this for other papers they
carry).

-Richard Brown
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Message 123       Tue Jan 26, 1993
J.STEINGROBE                 at 00:36 EST
 
To the people who helped me with my DJ problem Thanks.  I appreciate  it .  To
the OUTRIDER: Does RTFDJM mean what I think it does.  If it does well you can
do the same . If it doesn'y t, then I am sorry. I am just looking for a litl
tle assistance.  To the guy who wrote me the  mea ssage about my messages,
thanks I know but I can't seem to figure out what is wrong with my bc ackspace
key.  I don't use GEnie a  whole lot so I am Kind of inexperienced. Thanks for
your help.  I will try so of the ideas/ .
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Message 124       Tue Jan 26, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:50 EST
 
J.Steingrobe,

Hey, it was just a year and half ago, and I was new to GEnie too. I know how
overwhelming it feels at first.. But after a while it becomes very
comfortable.. There is a wealth of knowledge here, & help when ever you want,
or need it.. "RTFM", is an exression and it means what you think it meant..
But really it is said with tongue in cheek and not meant as an insult..

Do your self a favor... Get a handle or a nickname, J.Steingrobe is a bit
awkward.. :)

Number 2, if you want to make GEnie easy to use, get Aladdin the automated
front door for GEnie.. You will find it so much easier to navigate the info &
help packed halls of GEnie...

Later,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Tuesday, January 26, 1993 - 7:36:28 am
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Message 125       Tue Jan 26, 1993
L.BUDNICK [Lorne]            at 21:43 EST
 
A question for TT030 users with HPDJ500's.

I am looking for suggestions on what drivers are available for the HPDJ500
that will work with a TT030, to support the 'print screen' function.

Any help in this regard will be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance,

Lorne....


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Message 126       Wed Jan 27, 1993
S.JOHNSON10 [Steve]          at 02:40 EST
 
I bought some Hammermill 'Laser Print' paper today for my inkjet and I think I
may have finally found a nice paper for inket printing.

I was also having 'dropout' problems with my printer (Royal CJP-450, which is
DeskJet Plus compatible) in that some of the nozzles didn't seem to be
printing correctly and putting in a new HP High-Capacity ink cartridge seems
to have cleared that up (cleaning the contacts and such on the Royal-brand ink
cartridge that came with the printer didn't seem to do much help).  However,
since the High-Capacity ink carts have are bigger (higher) than normal carts,
now I can't close the top of my printer (I guess I'll have to remember to just
buy the regular-capacity carts next time -- in several months!).  Anyway, I
just wanted to let people here who have DeskJet-compatible printers (or
inkjets that use DeskJet ink carts) and not genuine DeskJets that the high-
capacity carts were bigger than normal carts, so you may want to make sure the
high-capacity carts will fit in your printer before you buy one.
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Message 127       Wed Jan 27, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:26 EST
 
Lorne,


         None of the ST's will do a direct screen print.  There are a
 couple of utilities that will patch in and allow you to do a screen
 print to printer or to file.  One is Print-or-Save by Chet Walters.
 There may be a copy in the Library.  


 >> Joe M << 
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Message 128       Wed Jan 27, 1993
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 14:50 EST
 
Is there a DA that uses a GUI that allows you to Form Feed a sheet of paper a
certain amount?

Let's say you used the top third of a sheet of paper for a scratch print and
you want to print on it again. Click on the second third of the   paper's icon
and the paper loads to that point.
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Message 129       Wed Jan 27, 1993
SANDY.W [sysop]              at 15:04 EST
 
I don't know of anything like that, but if you are just proofing, you can
always just insert the used page backwards and print on the lower half.
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Message 130       Wed Jan 27, 1993
T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.]        at 20:40 EST
 
J.Steingrobe, RTFDJM means Read The DeskJet Manual.  As for the message about
your messages, What it is is that it looks like when you make an error you use
the arrow keys instead of the backspace key.

 In your message #123 you had mea ssage for message once and
 bc ackspace for backspace once.

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Message 131       Wed Jan 27, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 21:27 EST
 
Has anyone gotten the recently uploaded DeskJet screen emulator to work?  I
can't open the .PRT file that comes with it, nor can I open any files created
with PrintAll.  In all cases, I get an error saying something-or-other was not
found.  Anyone else?

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 132       Wed Jan 27, 1993
L.BUDNICK [Lorne]            at 22:48 EST
 
Joe M,

Thanks for the response re:  print screen drivers.  I have tried HP_RSave.prg.
This works in ST High res, but does not handle the TT Med res appropriately. 
It is not a real high priority, but just one of those things I wanted to try
to find a solution for. :^)

Lorne....

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Message 133       Thu Jan 28, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:53 EST
 
Lorne,


         Interesting about HP_RSave not working in TT res.  I have had
 a TT for some time.  I guess it says something about how long it has
 been since I have tried the program.


 >> Joe M << 




                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....


 Kenne@SFRT


         A form feed is always a full sheet unless you can tell your
 printer the sheet size is less than standard.  The DeskJet lets you
 set only a few sizes.  Even if you could set the page size to an
 short page I would guess a FF would eject the page and clear the
 printer.


         What I suggest is one of two things.  First you could use a
 DA text editor like EdHak.  Just use return to go down the page to
 the line you want and send the result to the printer.  You may need
 to add some kind of marker at that point; a "." maybe.  Just make
 sure your text editor does not send a FF every time it prints 


         Second you could use a DA like MaxiFile where you can define
 a list of printer codes and send them at you need them.  You could
 use " 027 038 108 ### 069 ".  It will set the top margin where ### is
 the number of lines you need.  You could make up several with
 different sizes (1/4 page 1/2 page 3/4 page for example)


 >> Joe M <<
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Message 134       Thu Jan 28, 1993
SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT]       at 12:41 EST
 
Edhak is more trouble for this than just loading the paper and advancing it. 

I know the DA _could_ be done because Chet's HP_5620 takes care of that kind
of thing. 

I may try the Maxifile trick.

Sometimes I suspect us Atari users are too clever for our own good when it
comes to work-arounds...

<sigh>
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Message 135       Thu Jan 28, 1993
M.DEMETZ1 [  Miked]          at 20:05 EST
 
Some DJ5xx questions. Is their drivers for Printmaster Plus? Is the a CPX
control program for them on GENIE? Has anyone gotten good results with
PRINTALL to a file then dumping to a 500C or 550C from a PC?
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Message 136       Thu Jan 28, 1993
FB [ST Librarian]            at 22:32 EST
 
Terrry,
 I checked the DeskJet screen emulator and it worked fine for me (hope so I
released it). Do you have enough ram? The small file included with the file
uses 1.05meg of ram. I tested a file from PageStream that worked correctly and
tried to view the DeskJet printer file that the was uploaded by the Codehead
of the fonts for Callig and that one messes up alot.

 Fred Beckman
 ST Librarian

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Message 137       Thu Jan 28, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 23:55 EST
 
Fred,

It's possible I didn't have enough ram free, but the error I got indicated the
problem was with the files themselves, not with a lack of memory.

I'm downloading v1.1 on this call.  I'll see if I have any better luck with
this version.  Thanks.

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 138       Fri Jan 29, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:47 EST
 
Miked,


         The DeskJet will not work with PrintMaster Plus without the
 Epsum (sp) emulator.  If you look for an emulator be sure to get the
 right one.  There are different emulators for each DeaskJet and the
 dealers do not seem to know this.  Check your manual and check the
 emulator package.  If you have the DeskJet + I have a cartridge I
 might consider selling.


         I think the CPX modular is here on GEnie.


         I don't know a think about PRINTALL.


 >> Joe M <<
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Message 139       Fri Jan 29, 1993
T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.]        at 19:10 EST
 
Terry, In high resolution with TOS 2.06 I was able to get the DeskJet screen
emulator to work.

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Message 140       Fri Jan 29, 1993
J.E.HARDIN                   at 20:44 EST
 
  I got it fixed.... I tried another cable and off it went. Spent an hour
making Sheets out of my Fan Fold stock!!! Neat Printer!!!
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Message 141       Fri Jan 29, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 23:34 EST
 
Okay, turns out the problem I was having with JET_EMU was indeed a lack of
free memory.  The error message is poorly conceived, at best, since it leads
you to believe there is something wrong with the file you're loading (it says
something is missing; not a valid print file).

Anyway, the PGS1.PRT file looks great on screen.  However, a GIF I printed to
disk with PrintAll came out looking like nothing but garbage.  That was not
unexpected, though, as the more detail in the graphic, the less accurate the
screen representation will be.

I'm not even sure why I NEED JET_EMU, but I guess I'm collecting just about
anything that supports the DeskJet.  ;^)

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 142       Sat Jan 30, 1993
K.MILLER69 [Kyle Miller]     at 01:16 EST
 
Richard Brown,

Thanx for the notes on paper brands.  I know I will be keeping my out for 'em.

- Kyle A. Miller
  San Antonio, Texas
  January 27, 1993 - 6:10:56 pm

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Message 143       Sat Jan 30, 1993
B.MADDREY [BUCK]             at 17:25 EST
 
D Charter,

Thanks for the input. You are probably right being a proportional font. ST
writer uses 80 columns. I use it with the left margin set at 10 and the right
at 70. It prints fine using the Epson printer or the epson emulator cartridge.
When printing a document using the Times Roman cart, the right margin ends up
about 2/3 acrosss the page. I have tried changing the right margin to lets say
90+. This causes the end of that line to be cut off and un-used. The next line
is started but has left out several words from the previous line. Any
suggestions?

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Message 144       Sat Jan 30, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 17:27 EST
 
Terry -  I was really excited about Jet_Emu for a while too, then I  realized
that I'm not sure how I'll actually use it.  But it certainly is a neat idea,
and well done too.
  Gordon
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Message 145       Sat Jan 30, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 20:31 EST
 
I'm really enjoying PrintAll.  What a fantastic program!  Has anyone tried it
on a color DeskJet?  I'm interested in hearing if it does as well in color as
it does in mono.

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 146       Sun Jan 31, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:28 EST
 
BUCK,


         It sounds like a software problem.  What software are you
 using?  Do you have some other program that can print more than 80
 columns?  How about another word processor.  I have no problems
 printing over 90 columns on my DeskJet in the TimesRoman fonts using
 WordPerfect.  I think I was able to do so with Wordwriter as well.


 >> Joe M <<
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Message 147       Sun Jan 31, 1993
G.KICHOK [Gerry Kichok]      at 13:42 EST
 
Joe M, WOW, I have only had Maxifile for 7 or 8 months and didn't even know
about the printer setup. It's not why I bought Maxifile so I guess I must of
brushed past it in the manual, why didn't I notice that before. I must be
slippin, thanks for the tip. Gerry %)
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Message 148       Sun Jan 31, 1993
J.STRAND1 [John]             at 19:48 EST
 
Ted,

I refill my cartridge when the print just starts to fade. Some times I only
get one refill from a cartridge, other times I get four refills. Each time you
refill you use less ink. The first time you might get 12 to 16 cc, the next 8
to 10 cc and so on. I think the sponge starts drying out.

I'm going to buy a large capacity cartridge and try to refill it per my
earlier post.

Ted the only way you will know if it's against the Law is ask. Pin them down,
what state statute? or is it just local policy, after all if you are asking
for a needle you must be a Drug user.

If straws were used to do drugs I'm sure they would be against the Law to have
one on your person let alone let your kids drink milk with one.

...... John (PSAN)







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Message 149       Mon Feb 01, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 07:49 EST
 
John,

Thanks for the words... I am going to go the 'refill my own' route "RSN"... :0

The needle thing is much like the anti-gun thing.. Outlaw them, and only the
baddies will have them!!! :0->--<

Later,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Monday, February 1, 1993 - 7:24:12 am
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Message 150       Mon Feb 01, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 21:34 EST
 
John,

Straws ARE used to do drugs (cocaine)...

...at least that's what I've heard.  ;^)

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 151       Mon Feb 01, 1993
S.LAPHAM1 [Scott L.]         at 21:53 EST
 
Terry,

     I printed some 256-color GIF's to a DJ500C using PrintALL and was knocked
over!!  The quality is outstanding!!  I even took some of them to work (PC-
land) and they thought I used something much more expensive than a DeskJet. 
Wish the drivers in PageStream and Calamus were as good!  Cheers.
                            Scott L.

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Message 152       Tue Feb 02, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 21:58 EST
 
Scott,

Thanks for info on printing color with PrintAll.  Makes me want to get a DJ
550C all the more!

I've been sending some black and white pics to a friend of mine who has worked
with Mac graphics for a living, and he now sets up and troubleshoots Mac
systems for a living.  Even HE was impressed, asking me how I managed to print
them so large at such a high quality.  :^)

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 153       Sat Feb 06, 1993
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 17:19 EST
 
Hi All,

I have a DJ and noticed all of the talk about Jet Emu and Print All. Could
someone please explain what these programs do?

Thanks--Rob
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Message 154       Sat Feb 06, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:44 EST
 
Rob - Jet Emu wil take a file that you have printed to disk, as if you were
printing to your DJ, then allow you to show it on screen.  In other words, the
program interprets the DeskJet commands as the printer itself would, except it
doesn't put 'em on paper.
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Message 155       Sat Feb 06, 1993
OUTRIDER [Terry]             at 23:45 EST
 
And PrintAll is an _awesome_ multi-format picture printer with a myriad of
options, and support for both mono and color printing.

     __
     /erry .\\ay

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Message 156       Sat Feb 13, 1993
R.SCHILLING [Rob]            at 19:18 EST
 
Thanks guys, I think I'll have to download those two programs.

Rob

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Message 157       Tue Feb 16, 1993
R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson]    at 19:36 EST
 
What is the lowest everyday price someone has seen for the DJ 500C and DJ 550C
and where?

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Message 158       Sat Feb 20, 1993
J.LYONS16 [John L.]          at 20:07 EST
 
I just saw the Deskjet 500 on sale at our local Bizmart for $349.99. I did
have to get a raincheck since they only had the display model left.

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Message 159       Sat Feb 20, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 23:28 EST
 
The DeskJet 500 goes for about $359. around here, the 500C for around $650 or
so...last time I noticed.  (Chicago area)
  Gordon
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Message 160       Sun Feb 21, 1993
M.SQUIRE [Mike]              at 07:48 EST
 
    I am considering purchasing a HP DeskJet 500 for use with my
 Mega4 ST w/TOS 2.06.  I presently have a 9-pin Epson LX-810.  I plan
 to use my DeskJet to do word processing (using Calligrapher 3),
 envelopes, and spreadsheeting (using LDW Power) as well as text file
 printouts.  Since I am new to the DeskJet, I have some questions that
 I'm hoping someone can answer:


   1) The store at which I wish to buy also carries the 500C for
 approximately $100 more.  Should I consider purchasing that instead
 even though I'm not into graphics and have no present requirement for
 color?  Does HP offer any special accessories for the DJ 500 that I
 should consider purchasing up front (e.g., larger printer buffer)?
 Also, I hear that there is a model 550?  How is it better than the 500
 and would I be well advised to purchase a 550 instead of a 500?  What
 is a "DeskJet +"?


   2) What sort of commercial software is available that a new DeskJet
 owner might need?  For instance, I wish to be able to print
 envelopes, do screen dumps, and print in landscape orientation as
 well as portrait.  I've heard of Scott Sanders DJ Utilities package
 (doesn't it go by another name now?) and OutburST.  Would I be well
 advised to purchase those at the same time I bought the printer?


   3) Will I need to use any type of special paper in order to get
 best results?


 Thank you for your help with any or all of these questions.


 ... Mike Squire





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Message 161       Sun Feb 21, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 10:30 EST
 
Mike,


         You will love the DeskJet.


         1) Color is great and I would buy it, but you are not I.  If
 you have no use for it save your money.  Are you sure you won't want
 it later?  


         The original model was the DeskJet the next model was the
 DeskJet+  Then came the 500, 500C and the 550.  Since the DeskJet and
 DeskJet+ are no longer current models (I believe) don't worry about
 them, unless you can get one for a reduced price, they lacked some of
 the newer models features.


         I don't remember the features of the 550 (or is it the 550C?)


         2) There are several commercial programs or packages for the
 DeskJet.  If you read the older messages you will find a lot of
 opinions about them and their marketers.  I suggest:


 A shareware package PrintorSave by Chet Walters available in the
 library


 A label program called JetLable Elite available from:
  Michael Young
  JetLabel Elite
  4120 Harlem Road
  Galena, Ohio  43021
  Home phone: 1-614-965-1519


 And of course CardFile 4 from:
 Gribnif Software
 Post Office Box 779
 Northampton, MA  01061
 Work phone: (413) 247-5620
 Fax line: (413) 247-5622


         If you need the diode fix so you can turn on your printer
 after the computer let me know and I will E-Mail you the text or you
 can check in the library (search for DJ and you should find it and a
 lot of other great stuff).  I also will send you a diode if you send
 a self addressed envelope.  As it is you need to turn on your
 DeskJet  before turning on the computer.


 Best of luck


 >> Joe M << 






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Message 162       Sun Feb 21, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 19:36 EST
 
John L,

Good price...

 <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, February 21, 1993 - 11:43:02 am
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Message 163       Mon Feb 22, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 06:55 EST
 
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POST -------------------

Mike,

Like Joe said you will love your DeskJet, as we all do!!

The 500C is discontinued I believe!  Plus I thing it can not print true
black.. Sort of a dark grey!! I also think it was much slower than the regular
500 when printing.. And I think that you have to change inkcarts and do
several passes to get color output....

The 550C is a big improvement with most of those limitations gone.. And it
uses 2 ink carts instead of one.. The color -vs- regular DeskJet I answered
with:  There are only a few programs which support color printing..  Calumus
and Page Stream are a couple..  I'm sure there a a couple more.. And do I need
color output?? I will buy one for sure when there are more programs that
utilize it's color features.. The real nice thing about the 550 and the 550C
is the envelope basket.. But that won't make me run out and buy a new one.. I
have no trouble feeding them one by one into the printer.. It is 1,000% better
than feeding envelopes into a dot matrix.. :)...

Software: I would recommend "JETON".. An small acc/prg to turn your DJ on
after you have booted up, in case you forgot...

Chet Walter's label program is a must, if you want to print labels..

And GEMvelope if a must have if you want to print envelops, and CardFile if
you want to send the address information directly GEMvelope..

Paper: I found that for drafts, the cheapest paper you can find does well..  I
use something called 'COPYPLUS', from Staples..  500 sheets of $2.79.. I tried
"FIRST CHOICE from Weyhauser that every one else seems to use, but I found
that regular resume paper works best for me.. I think you kind of have to
experiment here.. I only use the 'ggod' stuff for final printing amd the
important stuff...

Get Paper Directs sampler.. It's $19, but that is refundable on your first
order, and you will have fun playing with the 100 or so assorted papers they
send you.. Just write down what they are as you use them.. You will be able to
see what paper looks best when finished.. Here is the address and phone
number..

PAPER DIRECT 205 CHUBB AVE. LYNDHURST, NJ  07071-0618 1-800-272-7377 Have your
credit card handy.. :)

OutburST will speed up printing.. But you can't use a print spooler like the
one in the Codeheads Utility disk..  So it's a trade off.. Frank P. author of
OutburST was suppose to come out with new version with a built in spooler..
Anyone seen it?? I thought it was due out a couple of months ago??

Scott Sanders of SDS I believe, has closed up shop and left the ST market..
The only thing I use his program for is printing those cheesy, plain disk
labels.... :)

Also if you are like me and have a lot of programs, older ones that do not
support the DJ.. Buy an Epson emulator cart for about $65.. So you can print
all those files, and calendars, and spreadsheets you used to on the 9-pin.... 
:)

Memory: I never found the need for extra memory I use a 150k spooler and it
works well and the DJ is pretty fast.. I tried OutburST and noticed a slight
increase in speed over the spooler.. But I do a lot of printing and I need the
spooler.. You will find that HP memory is quite expensive, to say in the
least....  If your computer is cramped for memory. it would probably be better
to upgrade to 4 megs.. The DJ is not like an Atari laser, or some of the other
lasers on the market.. You don't need a whole lot of memory for it to print...

Hope some of this helps you..  Wow this baby got long, didn't it??

 <-:}Ted{:->  Sunday, February 21, 1993 - 9:26:12 pm





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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 164       Mon Feb 22, 1993
DENNYA [Denny Atkin]         at 11:05 EST
 
Has anyone ever tried hooking computers to both ports of a DeskJet? IE: An ST
on the parallel port and a PC or Amiga on the serial port?

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 165       Mon Feb 22, 1993
R.BROWN30                    at 19:17 EST
 
I own the DeskJet 500C, which is "near true color" in its ability, using
yellow, mageneta, and cyan colors in various dithered combinations to create
"near true color" printing of anything from simple color tones to PMS colors
to 24 bit color imagery.

The 550C, annoyingly introduced not 4 months after I purchased the 500C, is a
true 4-color process, featuring a second cartridge cradle so that, side by
side, you have the CMY cart and the "K", or black cart. CMYK is for genuine
"true color" work.

Where the 500C completely lacks black with the color cart, having instead a
"dark green", the 550C, with the black cart, obviously will add black to the
color dithering, making for superior color imagery as compared to the
"outdated" 500C. There are new drivers available for the 550 for both
PageStream and Calamus.

This is not to say the DeskJet 500C won't print black. It does, simply by
switching carts from color to black ink. That's called black mode, not unlike
the DJ500.

Software wise, for color image printing, or black image, for that matter, you
can't go wrong with PageStream (my personal favorite), or Calamus (very, very
powerful, but somewhat cryptic and without PostScript support at this time).
Both, however, will do great things on the DeskJet, either in color or black
and white. I have uploaded to GEnie several DeskJet macros for PageStream for
Avery label making: #'s 5160, 5162, 5196.  5160 and 5162 labels are good for
addressing with Cardfile (with graphics if you want), and the 5196 is for 3.5
inch floppy labels.  The macros are very versatile for label production, but
you'll need PageStream to use them.

For speeding up your printing DEFINITELY get OutburST! Even its little
brother, FPPRNT.PRG, perhaps still here on GEnie, makes life better (for non-
TT Ataris). There is soon to be a TT version of Outburst. My TT really needs
it: my STe is faster than my TT for the DJ with FPPRNT!!!!

Paper wise, there is one best paper company, specifically manufacturing COATED
papers for use in laser OR DESKJET printers. I know the developer of the
emulsion technology personally, but the papers are from Schoeller Technical
Papers, and they are LaserEdge Lite, LaserEdge HR-10, and the heavyweight
LaserEdge HR-20.

For dramatically, and I mean DRAMATICALLY increased color saturation, you'll
want to try LaserEdge IJ-30. The difference with IJ-30 is unbelievable to the
point that the color and saturation levels of the original source pictures
must be adjusted for optimum, awesome results.

Now, you may find Schoeller papers hard to find, but, rumor has it that Paper
Direct, the king of cool paper companies, offers HR-20 under the name "Inkjet
Ultra" product number JU1000, and the super saturated IJ-30 under the name
"Inkjet Color" product number CJ1001. Call Paper Direct to order at: 1-800-272-
7337. Paper Direct has a fabulous catalogue with about a billion products (+/-
). Get one!

Also, for paper, HP makes it own, but only for COLOR mode called HP51630Y CX
JetSeries CutSheet Paper. This paper is yellowed to compensate for CMY's lack
of blacks. (I recommend the LaserEdge).

For specialty papers, certain office supply stores and stationers will carry
the diverse "The Paper Company" line of papers.

Other companies also offer similar stuff, but The Paper Company is the best
that I've come across.  Of note, their nice A6 envelopes and matching 6 1/4 x
9 inch note paper make for great personal stationary. I happen to have
uploaded to GEnie a PageStream template for both non standard paper and
envelopes that makes using this stuff a breeze, perfect every time.  Once
again, this has a PageStream bent. Calamus, and I'd bet Calligrapher could do
just fine with this. Caveat: avoid the nice Oriental papers: they are handmade
and too porous, bleeding badly with inkjet printing. These papers are really
for laser printing.

Paper Direct               ** will sell direct and features many 205 Chubb
Ave.                products similar/identical/acquired Lyndhurst, NJ 07071   
to/from The Paper Company 800-272-7377

The Paper Company          ** does not sell direct, only through 731 South
Fidalgo Street      dealers, but they are very nice Seattle, WA 98108         
people and may direct you to the 206-762-9128                  dealer nearest
your location.
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Message 166       Mon Feb 22, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan]            at 19:33 EST
 
Solid post Russ. Thank you for sharing it with us.

Nathan @ DMC
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 167       Mon Feb 22, 1993
EXPLORER.1 [] Ron []         at 21:07 EST
 
Denny,

  HP has strongly stated not to hook anything up to both serial and parallel
ports simultaneously.  I have not had enough guts to try it myself :-)

             Ron @ Atari Explorer Magazine

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 168       Mon Feb 22, 1993
M.OSTRANDER1 [Mike O]        at 21:14 EST
 
Mike Squire,

Here's my opinions, to add to the others you're receiving.  I'm using a
DeskJet500 with my MEGA4 and ancient TOS 1.02.

1)  I've had a ("classic") Deskjet, a Deskjet Plus, and now this DJ500.  If I
were buying a new DJ at this time, I'd pick the 550C, with the 500 as a second
choice.  I wouldn't bother with the 500C, even at just $100 over the plain
500.  Why the 550C?  Not because I _need_ color output, but just because it
would be nifty to print the occasional color flyer from PageStream.  I've
never felt any need for hardware add-ons (more memory, cartridges) for any of
my DJs. Closely related to a hardware add-on is the diode modification to the
printer cable.  It's relatively easy and it's a whole lot more convenient than
the utilities that "reawaken" DeskJets.  More than once, I've simply turned
off the power switch on my DJ to interrupt a printout in progress; flip the
power switch back on and no need to call up a utility to recognize that the DJ
is back online.

2)  Buy OutBurST!  Period.  It works great (noticeable! speedup with any
graphics output) with Calligrapher3, PageStream, etc.  The built-in spooler in
version 3.0 is only for ASCII (non-graphics) output using the printer's own
fonts.  Other recommended programs: GEMvelope (for the obvious) & HP-5260 for
Avery address labels.

3)  Paper ... very subjective.  Get in touch with PaperDirect, as already
suggested.  I use Weyerhauser First Choice for everyday first-class printing
and Ink Jet Ultra for the occasional page that must be PERFECT.  Anything
that's handy is good enough for my drafts and temporary printouts.  Try a
variety of papers and pick out whatever esthetically pleases you.

Enjoy your DeskJet, whichever one you choose!

- Mike

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 169       Mon Feb 22, 1993
S.LAPHAM1 [Scott L.]         at 22:17 EST
 
I've seen the 500C at $529.00 everyday ($449.77 on sale) and the 550C at
$699.00 everyday ($639.77 on sale) at MicroCenter here in Fairfax, Virginia. 
(703-204-8400 for info)  Cheers.
                                              Scott L.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 170       Mon Feb 22, 1993
S.LAPHAM1 [Scott L.]         at 22:37 EST
 
A previous post suggested buying the HP Epson Emulation cartridge for the HP
DeskJet printers.  Fine suggestion, EXCEPT for any of them that end with a
"C".  THEY WILL NOT WORK!  It will work on a DeskJet, DeskJet+ and DeskJet 500
but NOT with a 500C or 550C.  It's in the manual.  Cheers.
                     Scott L.

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 171       Tue Feb 23, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:59 EST
 
        Memory note:


         The DeskJet does not need additional memory like a laser may.
  The DeskJet forms it's image line by line as it is received.  lasers
 however form a full page image in their memory so they have a much
 greater need for their own memory.  The Atari laser used the computer
 memory to form an image so it does not need it's own memory.


 >> Joe M <<
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 172       Tue Mar 02, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 19:11 EST
 
I've been doing some casual hacking, and have a had a modicum of success in
reverse engineering the printer definition files for Print Master.  This may
mean that a honest-to-gosh DJ driver is possible, tho it's a bit early to say
for sure.  Since I don't use PM that much, it's not a huge need on my part. 
However, if there is some interest, I might be convinced to investigate this
further.
  Gordon
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 173       Wed Mar 03, 1993
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 07:11 EST
 
Gordon,

Hey! Hack away!!  I used PM a lot, then I needed space and had to sell my 9
pin.. I also used Lablemaster.. Do/did you use that at all??

I can still use PrintMaster with my Epson Cart.. But a DJ driver would be
sooooo nice..

Later,

 <-:}Ted{:->  Wednesday, March 3, 1993 - 6:24:44 am
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 174       Thu Mar 04, 1993
M.SQUIRE [Mike]              at 01:02 EST
 
Joe M, Ted E., R.BROWN30, Mike O, and Scott L.,


     Thanks to each of you for your suggestions on what I needed to
 consider in purchasing a Deskjet for use with my ST.  I purchased a
 Deskjet 500 on Sunday for $349.99 which is the best price I could find
 and a ream of Hammermill LaserCopy which has worked out real well so
 far.


     I am in the process now of converting my software over from the
 Epson FX printer to the Deskjet with most of it done except for LDW
 Power which is going to take a little time since each worksheet will
 need to be modified.  I have another question, though.  The Deskjet
 manual states that it will only print on envelopes that have the
 dimensions of 9 1/2" by 4 1/8" - is this true in actual practice or
 are they only referring to the size that the built-in envelope feeder
 was designed for?


 ... Mike Squire

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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 175       Thu Mar 04, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:36 EST
 
Mike,


         I think you can have a little variation in size on envelops,
 I believe I have used both #10 and #9.  I don't do many envelops as I
 use window envelops and labels a lot.


 >> Joe M <<
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Message 176       Thu Mar 04, 1993
W.PIKE [PACMan]              at 10:28 EST
 
Salutations Mike,

 The envelope referred to is a size 10 standard 4 1/8 by 9 1/2 inch envelope. 
This is what is referred to as Legal Size.  I use them all the time in my DJ
without any problem.

 PACMan
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Category 4,  Topic 9
Message 177       Thu Mar 04, 1993
R.SNYDER6 [Roger]            at 18:06 EST
 
Mike,

     I have run a few different sized envelopes through my DJ500 with little
trouble. They have to be big enough that the drive wheels will catch them,
(envelopes than are not are rare anyway). You do have to check sometimes that
they fed straight. The only time I've had some trouble is feeding envelopes
made from heavier/thicker paper--i.e. a 70# felt finish. They tend to feed
crooked.

--Roger
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