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Topic 24        Fri Nov 13, 1992
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:16 EST
Sub: DMC Miscellaneous

It has become clear that we require a single topic to discuss subjects which
simply don't fit in any of the other topics. :-) In order to streamline
support, let's cover those subjects here!
203 message(s) total.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 1         Sat Oct 09, 1993
G.GORMAN2 [Glenn Gorman]     at 04:55 EDT

John, my complaint had to do with my on-line time. I've been reading this
topic since I joined GEnie. To my knowlege it has only been used for
miscellaneous Calamus messages.

Since I am not rich, have moved to a new state and started a new job my funds
are limited. What should I do, drop this topic??? Then I'd miss out on all of
the non-specific Calamus help messages.

I don't mind non-Calamus messages. It's just that I hadn't been on-line in a
week or so. And since I use Aladdin, it automaticly grabs the messages in the
topics that I specify. This being one of them. Imagine my surprise when I got
to read a bunch of those other messages.

Thanks for letting me air my grips.

Nathan, will DMC be releasing a new Template to go along with the newly
upgraded Calamus SL?

Also, will you be releasing an updated index section for the docs? I just
looked up something and since a few sections have been replaced/added to, the
index refered me to the wrong section. An example would be Tabs. The index
refers the user to section 5.6.3.1. But the scetion on Tabs is now at 5.6.5.

I know that it was most likly stated in the read me file, but after a few
upgrades, read me files become a whole new binder.

Glenn...

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 2         Sat Oct 09, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 09:03 EDT

Glenn, it is not really appropriate to redo the index at this time since all
the changes occur in the reorganized TEXT chapter. As you guessed, this info
is covered in the README and, as usual, you have Help Line messages that
included the new chapter references.

As for a new template, the old one should still be matched to your macro set.
If something is missing, let me know and I will update the CKT and put it up
in the library.

John T..... nice to see you smiling again <grin>.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 4         Thu Oct 21, 1993
J.DERNAR                     at 20:33 EDT

I hate to butt into all of this baseball.... any word on a driver for  the
Epson action 1500 laser that is written for 109N ? Remember the  problem with
margins being off?
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 5         Fri Oct 22, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 12:34 EDT

Can you not remove the margins altogether from the Epson driver using the
CPDG?
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 6         Sun Oct 24, 1993
J.DERNAR                     at 21:09 EDT

I thought the printer generator was for the SL version, I have the  109N
version. Please clarify. (margin problems- Epson 1500 laser)
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 7         Mon Oct 25, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 18:30 EDT

All Calamus printer drivers work with both 1.09N and SL. The only change is
the file extension name, CDT or CPD.

Thanks John and yes, another season looms. ;-)
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 8         Mon Oct 25, 1993
J.DERNAR                     at 21:29 EDT

OK, all printer drivers work with both versions of Calamus. Is there an Epson
1500 Laser driver? If not , then will the program used to generate your own
driver work with the 109N version and if so where can I get a  copy of the
program? Phewwwww!  Thanks.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 9         Mon Oct 25, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 22:06 EDT

The Calamus Printer Driver Generator program is available for your downloading
pleasure in the DMC library 30. I am not personally familiar with the Epson
1500. Does it emulate the HP line perchance?
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 10        Tue Oct 26, 1993
J.DERNAR                     at 21:56 EDT

The Epson is supposed to be HPLJIIIsi compatible, supposed to be. I'll check
out the generator program, I was under the opinion that it did not work with
the 109N program. Thanks again.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 11        Sat Nov 20, 1993
VORTEXT                      at 19:50 EST

Question regarding the TIFF subject. For starters:

  I recently purchased a CD with a number of TIFF textures for 3D mapping and
backgrounds. They are indeed in DOS format and read just fine on an IBM type
machine. On my Atari however, they read as two files, identical names, one
containing the large info for the image, the second a 727byre file that i can
only assume might some type of header info.

   The IBM does not see these files as two files. I only read one image.
Second: if i copy said image on an IBM from the CD to a disk, I can then use
it on the Atari.

  Does anyone have any clue what might be going on and have any ideas of a way
to fix the problem?

  Daniel


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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 12        Sun Nov 21, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 12:01 EST

Daniel, I am sure that Mario can provide an answer for you when he returns
later today. If you don't get an answer in two days, please point him back to
Message 88. I will do the same.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 13        Sun Nov 21, 1993
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 14:21 EST

Hey all,

Can or will SL be able to import JPEG's? I fear converting them might lose
some detail.

Tom
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 14        Sun Nov 21, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 15:09 EST

So far there is no JPEG import.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 15        Sun Nov 21, 1993
R.VOORNEVELD [BOB]           at 16:35 EST

Tom,

JPEG's can be converted to TIFF (Truecolor) without loosing any detail with
GEMVIEW, here in the library Files #30301 [ Install Program] & #30303
[Program]

This should help until and if JPEG import is added to SL

Bob

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 16        Sun Nov 21, 1993
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 20:02 EST

I've just purchased a TT (my first) and I'm now confronted with "the monitor
question" i.e. WHICH?  My primary use will be Calamus SL and assorted graphic
oriented utilities.  I _love_ my MoniTerm monitor and have become quite
spoiled not having to scroll around with a small window and all.  I must also
profess meager knowledge of VGA or Multisync monitors. SO. . . what I'm
looking for is your advice and experience with monitors for the TT.  I would
like to keep things manageable in terms of cost, but I'm not on a shoestring
either.

Okay -- make me smart.

                               -- Dave @ Binary Ink

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 17        Sun Nov 21, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 21:43 EST

Dave, the CyRel card with a non-interlaced SVGA monitor from 15 to 21
inches... depending on your budget. The boys from Cybercube have been
reviewing monitors lately and should be able to give you the best info.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 18        Sun Nov 21, 1993
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 21:54 EST

Bob,

Thanks for the input. I do have GemView, but have only used it for viewing.
I'll give it a shot.

Tom
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 19        Mon Nov 22, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:05 EST

Message     93, Sun Nov 21, 1993 D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]

    > I've just purchased a TT (my first) and I'm now confronted    <
    > with "the monitor  question" i.e. WHICH?  My primary use will <
    > be Calamus SL and assorted graphic                            <

         If you liked your Monoterm, take a look at the Atari TTM194.
 Many of them were made by Monoterm.

 >> Joe M <<



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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 20        Mon Nov 22, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 10:35 EST

The TM194 and TM195 came from either Moniterm or Phillips. If you wish to stay
with a 19" monochrome, either go that route or figure out how to convert your
Viking for use with the TT. If it is color you are now after, you definitely
want a SVGA multi- frequency monitor from whomever. Personally we own a 17"
MAG and we love it but there is an amazing variety of quality monitors
available. When you get up to 17", 19" or even 21" the price rises
dramatically. You'll also need to decide which graphics card fits your needs.
If you want the best, check out the Cybercube topic right here in Cat 16. It
is a hi-end quality card backed by excellent support from Cybercube Research
Limited. You can get cards for less, even 24 bit cards. Again, personally, we
love our Cybercube card, for the speed and quality and ease of  use of the
software/hardware combination. 1ST Class! Regardless, Calamus SL works on
everyones cards although please stay away from 15/16 bit cards as Calamus SL
runs in 1,4, 8, 24/ 32 bit only. We will be happy to help you out whatever
your choice.

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 21        Mon Nov 22, 1993
R.VOORNEVELD [BOB]           at 18:55 EST

Dave,

Congratulations on the new TT. SL should really fly for you now. :>)

As far as a monitor goes, I would suggest a TTM195 for your primary monitor.
Eventhough it's a B/W monitor it will give you the large screen that you're
use to and you'll be able to use the B&W graphic programs such as Touchup,
Avant Vector, screen.

If you want color you probably should get a card  and multi scanning monitor.
I originally had a PCT 1426 Atari and I found it to be not very good for DTP
applications (mainly size & resolution). For any serious DTP work 17" and up
is the way to go.

I have a 17" MAG and a Cyrel Card and that combination along with the TTM195
has given me a very good graphic environment.

CyberCube by the way gives excellent support and is constanly working to
improve its product both in increased speed and program compatability.

Bob


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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 22        Tue Nov 23, 1993
REALM [Joey]                 at 05:16 EST

    Joe, You might try and find a 17" color monitor that supports TT high.
You can get a really good 17" model for about $200 more then the TTM.  I think
it would be worth the extra bucks!  It should be possible to find something.
Porbably require a special cable.  You could get a switch box and switch
between the TT's color resolutions and TT High.  Then later, when you add the
all incredible Cyrel card, you'll be set monitor wise!  It's an extremely nice
card!
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 23        Tue Nov 23, 1993
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 07:19 EST

Lou:

RE:  My request for monitor recoomendations:

I _do_ plan slam a CyREl card in the TT down the road but not immediately.
Will the TT drive a large, non-interlaced SVGA monitor _without_ the CyRel
card?  Obviously, what I'd like to do here is select a monitor that will work
(well) with the CyRel card rather than kludge together a system that will
require a new monitor when the CyRel is added.

Thanks for the tip on CyRel checking out monitors.  Who should I contact
there?  Ralf?

                                -- Dave @ Binary Ink

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 24        Tue Nov 23, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 14:52 EST

Ralf knows his monitors. ;-)

As I mentioned earlier, we have a 17" MAG. We can easily remove the monitor
plug from the card and plug it in directly to the TT instead. The TT medium
resolution will drive all the fancy monitors, albeit not at their most
brilliant resolution.

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 25        Tue Nov 23, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou]                 at 20:16 EST

Dave, I have an AMAZING 14" SVGA hooked up to my TT. It works out of the box.
The SVGA is capable of 1024 by 768. However, the AlberTT card I have needs a
different kind of cable so I am waiting for a custom made cable.  I also know
that I will need a non-interlaced monitor to replace this one when I move up
to the CyRel card. It's a shame because the difference in price was only
50.00.

Ralf offered to post some test results a while ago. Bug him in the CyRel topic
:-)
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 26        Tue Nov 23, 1993
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 21:52 EST

Nathan:

Thanks for your informative reply regarding monitors.  You guessed right
regarding color.  At the present all the color work I do is spot color stuff,
I always look to the future when purchasing hardware.  It's saved me a bundle.
I'm looking at the MAG and NEC multi-sync jobs probably in a 17" version.
What I'd really like to find is a place that deals in used or remanufactured
Mags or NECs (Anyone out there have a source???)

BTW -- is what model NEC is that Mario had with the "Road Show" in Asheville?

The CyRel Card is already on the wish list along with more RAM, a MicroTek
flatbed, more RAM, a CD ROM, and more RAM. . . you get the picture.

Thanks for the informative post,
                                  -- Dave @ Binary Ink

Bob:

Thanks for the information you provided -- more fuel to the fire....

                                  -- Dave

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 28        Sat Dec 04, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 11:04 EST

Nathan,

Whatever happened to Type Art? Did it ever get released?

Did you ever come to a decision on releasing Tms Cranache Studio as far as
pricing and existing documentation goes?

Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 29        Sat Dec 04, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 11:17 EST

Type Art never had an English manual written for it unfortunately but it can
be obtained in German if you'd like.

The last time I spoke with the Dutch representative of TMS, he was working on
completing the English translation of the  program itself, again. It seems
that TMS lost our original translation of almost 2 years ago. We are all to
blame on this one but mostly the bottom line was that the market conditions in
terms of new sales caused TMS to reconsider their direction on the Atari
platform. I still hope to have an English version of  Pre-Vision (the
replacement upgrade from Cranach Studio) in the near future. In fact, I'll
call Holland again on Monday and get a status check.

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 30        Sat Dec 04, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 23:42 EST

Thanks Nathan.

I don't even remember _what_ Type Art was. As to German versions, I gave up on
trying to figure it out long ago. I have enough problems understanding English
translations of German interfaces ;-)

Keep us informed, especially about Pre-Vision. Sounds interesting.

Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 31        Sun Dec 12, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 23:51 EST

I would like some opinions from all interested.

I'm shopping for a new 600 dpi printer. I have looked at and printed samples
from the HP4 and the HP4p. I have also read a little about the new TI 600 and
the Brother 10 series. What I want to know:

Those of you with the HP LJ4, 4m or 4p -

 1) Do you have any problems with the SL drivers @ 600 dpi? For
 instance, can you access the enhanced mode in 600 dpi?
 2) Is the LJ4p "limited" in some significant way, other than being
 slower?  (I've have different printouts from each, and it's pretty
 hard to compare, but they look to be of similar quality. Salesmen are
 no help with this question.)
 3) How long can a parallel printer cable be (with a TT) before it
 needs boosting? I need about 12-15'.
 4) Any problems at all?
 5) Cartridge life/cost?

And does anyone have thoughts on, or experience with, the other 600 dpi
printers. For instance, the TI 600 comes with true PS level 2 _plus_ PCL5 for
the same price as the plain LJ4.

How much memory do you _really_ need for 600 dpi full pages in SL?

BTW, in the Twin Cities, the price of a LJ4 has jumped up $150 in the last
month. Yikes! :-\

 Thanks,
 Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 32        Mon Dec 13, 1993
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 01:02 EST

Doug:

 > 1) Do you have any problems with the SL drivers @ 600 dpi? For
 > instance, can you access the enhanced mode in 600 dpi?

  By "enhanced" I presume you mean the RET. That is hardware controlled at the
printer and not configurable by the driver, so it doesn't really matter. The
original LJIV drivers, while not fully developed have always worked fine with
my HP. I understand that the newer drivers had problems so I never bothered
with them....

 >How much memory do you _really_ need for 600 dpi full pages in SL?

   I seem to be the only person who runs his LJIV with only the stock 2 megs
on board, but I swear that 95% of what I print in SL prints great at 600dpi.
The exceptions are grey raster areas bigger than about 5" x 5" or some raster
graphics bigger than that. The complexity of the page seems to have little
bearing on whether the LJIV will print at 600 dpi or automatically downshift
to 300 dpi. This includes full landscape legal pages with lots of graphic
stuff and pages full of cvgs and whatever (say the RasGen Tutorial for example
;-) If I were to place say a 5% transparent screenover a page for a background
however, the printer will only output at 300 dpi, so I avoid doing that :-).
I'm sure my MSTE would print a bit faster with more printer memory, but it's
still plenty fast with only the 2 megs on board. Of course I'm not exactly a
power user, but I do use lots of rotated tifs and greycale things and get very
good results. So if you go with the HP, you might want to see what your limits
are before you pop for the extra ram.

    Hope that helps...

                      The frugal benday

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 33        Mon Dec 13, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 23:06 EST

Doug and Dennis, I believe you would need 6 megs if you wanted to tackle
Landscape mode in letter size.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 34        Tue Dec 14, 1993
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 00:01 EST


 >Doug and Dennis, I believe you would need 6 megs if you wanted to tackle
 >Landscape mode in letter size.

Lou, I just loaded a CDK of a 5-panel J-Card that is in legal landscape
orientation. I then added a couple of fairly complex cvg's just to clutter it
up. My LJIV output the page perfectly at 600 dpi in 2-1/2 minutes using only
its stock 2-megs of memory. I realize that everybody says you need the 6-megs,
but with the exception of the aforementioned large raster areas, I ain't ever
needed it. Maybe I'm just lucky ;-) Anybody else out there have these results?
I hate to think I'm the only cheapskate around here....

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Message 35        Tue Dec 14, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 01:02 EST

Thanks, Dennis and Lou.

I am weighing the options with a wary eye at the moment.

Why is it that when you decide to expand, something  you already have goes
belly-up? Tonight my internal Quantum developed a severe case of stiction. Or
should I say, "stuction". A few quick raps with the channel-locks finally got
it going, I have my doubts about longevity now, however :-)

Anyway, I find 3 LJ4 drivers dated 10/24, 12/4, and 12/5/1992. Are these the
drivers you are using?

Dennis, what do you do for drivers with other software?

Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 36        Tue Dec 14, 1993
R.VOORNEVELD [BOB]           at 20:55 EST

Dennis, Doug7..

I just pulled out my extra 4 megs from my LJ4 so that it would become stock 2
meg.

I tried printing 4 of my Leagal size brochures & flyers. one dropped down to
300dpi and another didn't print the bottom inch. The other 2 printed fine. I
guess you could get away with 2 megs if you keep it simple and not use large
rasters, but that's what I bought this printer for. :>)

The printer drivers that is working the best so far is the ones you listed.
        the 10/27 is for European A4 paper      2551 bytes
        the 12/04 is for letter                 2560 bytes
        the 12/05 is for legal                  2560 bytes

As far as drivers for other software goes most HP LJ III drivers work.
(300dpi) In fact I still use 1.09N with the HP LJ II driver and it works at
300 dpi on the HP JL4.

Bob

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 37        Tue Dec 14, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 22:18 EST

Now try using the A4 driver on your HP4 in letter mode. It also works fine.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 38        Tue Dec 14, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 23:53 EST

Dennis, cheap or not... it's great that you were successful. A one page CDK in
landscape is probably pushing the RAM limit. Why not copy page 1 to page 2 and
post your results. I am very interested.

Bob, thanks for the post. I, for one, really appreciate that kind of detailed
report. In fact, I have saved it in my REFER folder.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 39        Wed Dec 15, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 02:30 EST

Well guys, HP4 it is!  Heh, heh, I was so excited when I hooked it up that I
forgot to install the extra 4 meg SIMM. My first CDK printout was a 600 dpi
full-page grayscale in landscape.  Gee, I was kinda dissapointed until my son
asked me about the SIMM laying on the kitchen counter. :-)

Great printer <many grins>

  Thanks for all your help!
  Doug7
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Message 43        Wed Dec 15, 1993
R.VOORNEVELD [BOB]           at 18:57 EST

Doug,

Wise choice... You won't regret it.

Have fun with all those 600 dpi rasters. ;>)

Bob
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 44        Wed Dec 15, 1993
J.RENNER1 [Kheldar]          at 22:45 EST

So let me see if i've got this right. I can buy Brush ($30), Color Sep ($50),
Vector Editor ($100), and Mask ($150), for $330. Or i can buy the NT version
of SL, with all this stuff, plus working printer drivers, plus PS output, for
$300. Gee Wally, you think i oughta'. To me this is a fairly large slap in the
face considering the fact that i've have support ISD/DMC for many years now. I
too can see the writing on the wall for the ST/TT line but i had hoped to get
a little more use out of it. What else can i say except that i'm disappointed,
and disheartened.

Isn't marketing wonderful.

Jim. (A sad, and lonely Atari SL user)

P.S. I just ran SL and there are still at least 5 functions that are not
working. I think i complained when the last update came out, and we were
forced to buy modules like compress. I don't mean to whine but i am very
frustrated. When will OUR SL be (as Tasha Yar once said) "fully functional."
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 45        Wed Dec 15, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 23:08 EST

Jim, just for clarification, printer drivers (including PS) are part of the
Windows NT system. They are not specific Calamus drivers in the Windows NT
version.

The CWNT price quoted for Atari Calamus owners is a substantial discount over
the release price. In that regard your point about the 300.00 limited time
purchase of CWNT does not incorporate other factors, like the need to first
purchase MS Windows NT and a new computer, laser printer, etc.

As for being disappointed... you shouldn't be. In working daily with both
systems, I personally prefer my TT to the 486 with Windows NT for running
Calamus. You should also understand that Calamus SL development continues for
the Atari version. There has been ongoing work on new modules as well as bug
fixes and feature activation. I am not sure the 5 functions to which you are
referring. Would you please post them for me to check out in the November 1993
version?
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 46        Thu Dec 16, 1993
J.RENNER1 [Kheldar]          at 00:03 EST

Lou,

Thank you for responding, the follow is a list of inactive functions:

Module Info             5.5.3.8 PKS Text Block          5.6.4.1 and 5.6.4.2
Monochrome              5.5.2.17 Grayscale               5.5.2.17 Color
5.5.2.17 Protect Text            5.6.1.14 Set Ref Mark            5.6.1.12
Select Ref Mark         5.6.1.9

My point about the NT version is that people buying it outright as new users
(say for $550-600 discounted) will get things that we didn't with our
versions. Why?

The amoung other problems with SL, Master Pages still don't allow you to
create different guidelines for different master pages with out going through
some stupid load/save workaround. The "new" raster generator was bad from the
start and we haven't heard a peep about a new one (I paid for it I want it).
And everybody has had problems with printer drivers. Mine was the HP, and was
told, "Oh, just rename and use the 1.09 driver it works fine." NOT! When can
we get some driver that work. Oh and one more thing. The Printer Driver
Generator has some major problems. Try changing measurements from cm to in.
You can't set the margins in inch mode. Oh well, guess i'll have to wait
another year for another version.

Jim.

P.S. I reported that Master Page bug after the original release of SL and it
is STILL not fixed.
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Message 47        Thu Dec 16, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 01:03 EST

Thanks for the encouragement, guys. Maybe I should pass out cigars...

Now all I have to do is sell twice as many jobs to offset the increase in
hardware costs. Hmm, lets see... 1x2=2   Uh oh...

Of course, within hours of spending everything on this beast, Nathan uploads
another flyer with more toys. Geesh!

Bob, what's a raster?  ;-)

Doug7

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Message 48        Thu Dec 16, 1993
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 01:06 EST

Lou or Nathan: I'm rather intrigued by the upcoming SL/NT release, because we
are in the midst of moving everything to desktop from Compugraphic and Quark
3.1 has not proven to be as robust as I expected and Archetype
Designer....well, about as many people have heard of that here as Calamus and
it's really limited. My constant harp about Calamus' superiorities is
considered amusing by my colleagues but it's the same old Atari deal in the
end. Therefore the thought of seeing SL running on our PC's has me very
interested.

I know that you have been reluctant to discuss SL/NT prior to its release, but
could you at least mention the minimum hardware requirements? We have 5 - 8meg
486SX33's w/250 meg HD's. From what I've heard of Windows NT, that's about the
minimum you can get by on. Will SL run all right on such machines? And do the
Windows drivers mean that we can output at 1200 dpi to our Xante just as we
would from Quark? And just how much is NT selling on the street? If SL will
run with our existing hardware, than I want it...BTW Lou, what exactly is it
that you personally prefer about SL on the Atari platform?...

Back in Atari land...I noticed in the mailout that although LineArt is $150,
you can upgrade from OL3.0 for $50 and you can upgrade to OL3.0 from 1.0 for
$70. Therefore (ahem) could one upgrade from OL1.0 to OL3.0 and on the LineArt
for $120? ($70+$50) and still get the 5 free typefaces? Now that would be a
deal. Just wonderin'.....


Hey Doug, I hope you enjoy your new LJIV. It is a nice piece of plastic. As
Nathan once said: you'll never worry about hinting again ;-)



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Message 49        Thu Dec 16, 1993
REALM [Joey]                 at 05:23 EST

    I'm glad SL/NT is finished!  Hope they sell a million!  We'll have other
people (not on GEnie) that actually understand what we're talking about for a
change.:-)  Besides the more copies they sell, the longer they'll be in
business.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 50        Thu Dec 16, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 09:30 EST

As Lou mentioned, the NT version of Calamus will use all the standard Windows
NT drivers. This includes PS. The NT version of Calamus is a true NT version,
taking advantage of what's there in the first place.

I am the Publisher. The suggested retail price that I set is US $795.00 for
the base package. I discounted that price more  than half to our loyal Atari
customers because they deserve it. We have NOT discontinued Calamus SL. It is
still being improved, enhanced and upgraded and new modules have appeared
without fail every few months all year long! Jim, many of us will have no
reason whatsoever to purchase the NT version. Many of us have a rather
substantial investment in our Atari platform and are really quite pleased with
the quality of the product we are able  to produce using Calamus SL, even with
its idiosyncracies, perceived or otherwise. BUT, some of us use PC's at the
office in our day job and some of us work for companies that, for the first
time, will seriously consider Calamus because it is  available for a platform
other than Atari. And every single one of those people that purchase Calamus
strengthen the company overall and put us in a better position to service our
entire customer base. AND, since the NT version will take SL's CDK's, this
opens up another aspect that will have a positive impact on our Atari
workstations.

Hopefully, 6 months from now, people you've never met, will come running to
brag about the stuff they can now do on their PC and then think of the
pleasure you'll get saying "big deal, I've been doing this for years on my
Atari!"

Dennis ... If Windows NT is installed, Calamus will run! Microsoft recommends
8 meg. Personally, I think 12-16 is a more viable RAM figure, marketing hype
aside.

One of our workstations here is a 66 MHz 486 with 16 meg RAM and a 200 meg
hard drive. Both Windows NT and Calamus run just fine.

And yes, you've found a loophole re: Line Art. ;-) The bottom line is that
Line Art is a GREAT new module!

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 51        Thu Dec 16, 1993
R.VOORNEVELD [BOB]           at 18:57 EST

 >Bob, what's a raster?  ;-)
 >
 >Doug7
 >
 >----------

Instead of going into it here maybe you        :       rU  $   W    C of the
User to User tips. There's some interesting stuff by a guy called D.WALTER7.
Or you can search the library here on GEnie under D.WALTER7.

        ~~~
        *,*
        \_/

Bob
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 52        Thu Dec 16, 1993
H.WOOTAN [Harry]             at 23:31 EST

Nathan,

Thanks for confirming Dennis' question about the double-upgrade from OLA-1 to
Line Art.  I had wondered the same thing.  Now if Santa can just surprise me
with a stocking full of upgrade cash ...

  -- Harry

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 53        Fri Dec 17, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 00:38 EST

Bob,

Ah, thanks, but I'll pass on the search for D.WALTER7 files. Guy's a bum!

Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 54        Fri Dec 17, 1993
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 00:59 EST

Good to hear about the "loophole" in the upgrade to LineArt. You'll be hearing
from me...

 >Hopefully, 6 months from now, people you've never met, will come running to
 >brag about the stuff they can now do on their PC and then think of the
 >pleasure you'll get saying "big deal, I've been doing this for years on my
 >Atari!"
 > You know, I never worked DTP on a PC before this year, and I've always
thought that a certain amount of the word on SL was hyperbole, but the last
few months have really opened my eyes to to just how cool it really is. The
words "big deal, I've been doing this for years on my Atari" have been uttered
more than once in the past six months along with "What! You mean I can't do
that in Quark? Well I sure can on my stinky ol' Atari" and "Hey, how come the
WYSIWYG sucks...I'm used to *dead-on* display." If SL/NT really works like the
Calamus we know, it's gonna slay 'em...I eagerly await the brochure....

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 55        Fri Dec 17, 1993
REALM [Joey]                 at 05:48 EST

   Doug,:-)
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 56        Fri Dec 17, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 23:47 EST

Jim, thanks for listing those features. Here are some answers to your
questions.

 >Module Info             5.5.3.8

 This is not a function but a potential link to external programs
 that might be created by a third party. If you are familiar with OLE
 (Object Linking and Embedding) in the PC world, you would have some
 idea of what I speak.

 >PKS Text Block          5.6.4.1 and 5.6.4.2

 The cited chapter numbers are from the previous version of the Text
 Module. BTW, it is simply Text Block, not PKS Text Block. In the
 August 1993 version of the Text Module the Start Block and End Block
 functions _do_ work!

 > Monochrome              5.5.2.17
 > Grayscale               5.5.2.17
 > Color                   5.5.2.17

 These functions were never implemented in the Frame module due to the
 inability to stabilize the conversion process within that command
 group. However, these functions work perfectly in the new Bridge
 module with the added ability to vary between 1-bit, 4-bit, 8-bit and
 24/32-bit planes. _And_ you can flip between color plane formats! All
 in all, the original concept for these functions was not feasible to
 implement because of the evolving complexity of the various color
 formats. However, as you can see, development -DID- continue and a
 finer product is now available.

 > Protect Text            5.6.1.14

 The Protect Text Block function was moved out of the Text module to
 the PKS Module. The control codes can be inserted for Start and End.
 Unfortunately, the function does not seem to function as intended. I
 will add this to my list.

 > Set Ref Mark            5.6.1.12
 > Select Ref Mark         5.6.1.9
 >

 As above, these functions have been moved to the PKS module. It is
 quite possible to use these functions when applied inside the editor.
 I will continue testing in order to provide a more detailed report.

 >Master Pages still don't allow you to create different guidelines for
 >different master pages with out going through some stupid load/save
 >workaround.
 >

 The master page functions work properly. There is an oddity in the
 way guidelines are applied to all newly-created Master Pages.
 However, as you pointed out, saving and re-loading master pages with
 different guidelines works properly. I am sure a small bug in this
 area could be fixed.


 > The "new" raster generator was bad from the start and we haven't
 > heard a peep about a new one (I paid for it I want it).


 It has been fixed and our best beta tester has put his stringent seal
 of approval on it. A number of betas were sent back to us in the last
 few months that did not pass our standards. You are correct...  you
 didn't hear about the beta testing. It is not usually public
 information. BTW, you get this fixed module for free if you request
 the November 1993 Calamus SL update (assuming you had the August
 version).

 > And everybody has had problems with printer drivers.
 >

 Not really, Jim. SLM owners have never had a problem. HP II owners had
 problems for which fixes are still being sought. As for the Printer
 Generator, this free utility suffers from niggly errors and
 inadequate documentation. I freely admit that more work is required.
 Hopefully it will not take the year you predict.


Perhaps I could close with a general comment: the development of Calamus for
Windows NT has not hindered the development of products for the Atari
platform. If anything, it has helped things. The list of new and coming
modules for the Atari version continues to grow because of DMC Publishing and
its loyalty to its customers. If I had the time, I would find the post I made
a few months ago listing some the many fixes that have been made since the
Feb. 1992 release of Calamus SL. It is more than adequate to demonstrate that
the Atari version will continue to grow.


Dennis, nice catch :-) I was wondering who would be the first to realize that
a couple hundred dollars of free software was available for a little bit of
careful reading.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 57        Sat Dec 18, 1993
J.P.C.                       at 10:00 EST

Kudu's to DMC for the upcoming release of SL/NT! GO GET-UM Nathan!

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 58        Sat Dec 18, 1993
J.RENNER1 [Kheldar]          at 13:55 EST

Lou,

Thank you for your prompt reply. I know i come across as a complainer, but it
just seems as though the few remaining problems with SL all affect me. Thanks
again for your professionalness. (Is that a word?)

Nathan,

AS you pointed out many of "us" SL users won't be interested in NT/SL. How
about you have some special offer for us (in place of, or along with the font
offer) that would give us $100 off a $400 purchase of SL modules. That would
be a deal. But Mask, and Bridge and get the Vector Editor FREE! Please give it
some thought.

Thanks for your continued Atari support, sorry if i ruffled your feathers.

Jim.

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 59        Sat Dec 18, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 14:15 EST

Jimmy, I thought someone was sending me a demo of your Paper Plates stuff. Did
I misunderstand?
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 60        Sat Dec 18, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 15:45 EST

Jim, all customers have a right to complain if they are not getting what they
want. It is DMC's policy to rectify the problems as soon as possible and to
offer honest information in the interim. I have had the pleasure of hearing
some of Nathan's calls to Germany. You think _you_ are complaining? :-)

Regarding your marketing suggestions... I am sure Nathan will give them some
careful consideration. OTOH, you should also know that the Eurpean price for
Calamus products is much higher than in North America. Mask, for example,
sells around 500.00 US in Germany. Bridge will be in the same ballpark, I
hear. We don't usually discuss this kind of stuff and Nathan is probably going
to smack me, but I thought you should have this bit of background.

Lou,

<running and hiding>

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 61        Sat Dec 18, 1993
K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH]   at 23:39 EST

SL users-

This is just a public thank you to Gregg Rodgers of Genus 2.

When I got my upgrade, a copy of his Border Bundle was included.  I asked him
how I could make and install my own border designs into BB. The result is file
# 31118, a new border bundle zip file.  If I understand Gregg's email to me,
it will contain all the necessary utilities to add your own designs.  As for
me, I have an IMG of a mosquito that is just itching to become a border on a
goofy certificate for travelers to the Alaskan bush to take home.

Hopefully, this is another Atari developer we can get to stay around!

Many thanks, Gregg!

Ken S.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 62        Sun Dec 19, 1993
J.P.C.                       at 10:07 EST

Lou:

I think what we have encountered here is a simple misunderstanding. If my
memory (not to be trusted too much since I've reached the half- century
mark!!) serves me correctly, I offered to send you a copy some time ago. In
reply, you were going to see if someone could do a review

of PAPER PLATES but, you never got back to me. Maybe that's wrong.

In any event, I would be more than happy to send you a copy ASAP, if you would
be so kind to give me an address.

All of the product registration cards that I've received indicate that
everyone who has purchased PAPER PLATES is more than satisfied. In fact, one
person bought Calamus 1.09N just so he could use PAPER PLATES!!

Only one person mentioned any problems, that being that he considered it a
real "pain" to convert the templates when loading them into Calamus S. I'm not
real sure just what the problem is.

Again, let me know to whom/where to send a review copy of PAPER PLATES.

Happy Holidays to all.

Jimmy Carter
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 63        Sun Dec 19, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 11:22 EST

Not a bad idea Jim. Let me think about the possibilities for the next mailout.

Jimmy ... The precision in S and SL is greater than in 1.09N. The result is
the spacing can be off slightly from a 1.09N template when loaded into S or
SL.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 64        Sun Dec 19, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 12:25 EST

You are quite right, Jimmy. I must have misunderstood. My apologies. Please
see email.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 65        Sun Dec 19, 1993
R.VOORNEVELD [BOB]           at 12:32 EST

I would also like to thank Greg Rogers for his Border Bundle files. This is a
must have for anyone that uses any version of Calamus and has ever tried to
make dotted line coupon boxes. Seems that there is always one dash to short
and makes the box look like a bad cut & paste job.

Using border bundle all those dashes line up for a symetrical box. And eveven
if you don't make dotted line boxes there's over 60 other borders to choose
from and you can make them any size you want up to 24"X24". The even a crop
mark feature.

And... if you need a new border you can even design you own.

Thanks, Greg !
                @ @
                 *
                \_/

Bob

BTW the files are:

        31118 B_BUNDLE.ZIP ( the program with 64 borders)
        31133 BB_LIBRN.ZIP ( the creation program)
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 66        Mon Dec 20, 1993
ISD [Mario]                  at 20:44 EST

Dennis, Calamus for NT will print to the Xante using the Windows NT drivers,
It will also do so over a Network (meaning more effective  handling of your
facilities. As we get closer to the release of CWNT as Nathan has called
Calamus for NT, I think the benefits will  become all too apparrent, the
release of CWNT will mean a larger  base of users and enhance service bureau
availability through this continent.

The benefits will also mean that existing users will benefit from many of the
things that exist and that will exist on the NT version.

Mario @ DMC Publishing ... Oh and Seasons blessings on you all...
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 67        Tue Dec 21, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 01:16 EST

Guys, I received the newsletter today. I noticed that Type 1 fonts are not
mentioned in the CWNT compatability list.

Tell me it ain't so!

Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 68        Tue Dec 21, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:48 EST

        Was the Calamus NT flyer done with Calamus?

 >> Joe M <<

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 69        Tue Dec 21, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:47 EST

Once ATM is available for NT, so will compatibility. We are waiting for ATM,
Doug.

Yes, Joe, the flyer was done in Calamus.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 70        Tue Dec 21, 1993
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 18:41 EST

Nathan & Crew:

I recieved my Customer Update in the mail yesterday and I must say I was
impressed the full color brochure for Calamus for Windows NT. Did Mario do the
design and layout?  Every now and then that boy has a _glimmer_ of genius.
Nicely done.

Of course the brouchure raises a question:

  o Can we expect stochastic rastering on the Atari version of CSL?

On another note, I recently saw in one of the trade journals were Bill Gates
was speaking to publishing folks at Seybold and he spoke of rich, full
featured publishing solutions made posssible by Windows NT.  Could he have
been making reference to Calamus for Windows NT? If so, the future looms
large.

                                      -- Dave @ Binary Ink

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 72        Tue Dec 21, 1993
J.BATTEY1 [J. L. Battey]     at 19:24 EST

Greg,

 >        31118 B_BUNDLE.ZIP ( the program with 64 borders)
 >        31133 BB_LIBRN.ZIP ( the creation program)

I downloaded Border Bundle & there seems to be a problem.  If I run BB right
after boot, it works fine but anything I try to run afterward results in 2
bombs.  If I run something else first, then the first attempt to run BB
results in 3 bombs and all further attempts to run anything (BB included)
gives the 2 bomb result.

Among other things, this means that I can't run BB from MultiDesk Deluxe
because it runs first.

I run Calamus 1.09N on a JRI rev. C upgraded 4 Mbyte 520STfmd with TOS
1.04/2.06 switchable & a Dallas Semiconductor No-Slot Clock.  I can give you
the full rundown on my AUTO & ACC but the problem exhibits on both ROM
versions with no AUTO or ACC's engaged.  Version 2.5 showed the same symptoms.

I will test some more and see if I can pin it down better.

                                John L.

PS: I have to reboot before & after using BB, a hassle, but it IS
        worth it.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 73        Wed Dec 22, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:35 EST

   >  Yes, Joe, the flyer was done in Calamus.                     <

         Very impressive, congratulations.

 >> Joe M <<

 Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 74        Wed Dec 22, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 11:58 EST

Yes, we can expect stochastic rastering for Calamus SL and yes, it will be
expensive.

I hope everyone has a great holiday.

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 75        Wed Dec 22, 1993
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 16:46 EST

I saw some samples of stochastic rastering with a 25x lupe at Comdex and the
difference compared to traditional screening is incredible. Maybe Nathan can
remember the name of the magazie that had those samples...
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 76        Wed Dec 22, 1993
J.P.C.                       at 20:11 EST

Nathan:

Thanks for clearing up the 'problem' with loading 1.09N templates intp "S"
and/or "SL".

The new brochure looks great!

It's almost... HO - HO - HO time! Happy Holidays all!

Jimmy Carter
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 77        Thu Dec 23, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 01:05 EST

Oh, no! Just when I thought I had all my wishes granted (and paid for),
something as advanced as stochastic screening comes along ;-)

Nice stuff, hey!

Doug7
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 78        Thu Dec 23, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 09:49 EST

The magazine was E C & I.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 85        Wed Jan 05, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 02:47 EST

Just curious about something:  It is seeming like the new Line Art Module will
more than replace the old Vector Module but...  is anything being done to fix
the problems with the last Vector Module? Mine does really ugly (if at all)
screen redraws that leave lots of garbage around.  This happens after each
change of an object, like re-setting the line width, etc.  Often the garbage
include the control boxes around the object frames.  More disconcerting is
that when working in a large zoom, new line widths are displayed incorrectly.
If I zoom all the way out and then go back in they appear correct.  A simple
Clr-Home does not solve this one!

Also, (I don't have the Nov. update yet so can't check this) I wonder whats
being done about the color table in relation to Focoltone colors.  Here's the
thing.  If I load a doc that uses several FT colors, and have the FT module
loaded as well, and then go into the color table and select a FT color I will
see the CYMK values for that color.  This is as I would expect, but if I then
select another FT color the area that displays the CMYK values vanishes.  I
have to quit the color table and re-enter it and thusly examine the FT colors
one per each time of entering the color table.  This seems might odd???

I also can reproduce very solid crashes by manually deleting colors and
replacing with another choosen color.  This is especially true when choosing
the first color in the list as the replacement!  Vat's da scoop???


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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 86        Fri Jan 21, 1994
R.BOARDMAN [Robert Board]    at 18:20 EST

About six - eight weeks ago we had a short discussion about grammar and
spelling in Calamus. I said I thought I had seen some errors with the
hyphenation using English.CWB and said I would keep track of any more I found.

The other week I was sure I had found three: stand-ard, cat-ego-ry, and knowl-
edge.

I started writing a note to Lou to let him know. I pulled out an old Webster's
(1962 editon I think) just to prove to him I was right. Turned out I was wrong
and Calamus was right. So I had to edit my message before I sent it out - or
look foolish when Lou corrected me.

Not that I'm going to stop looking for errors, and rely on Calamus entirely
for hyphenation. However, it remembers things better and longer than I can. If
I think there's an error I hope from now on I will check first and then point
my verbal finger.

Robert in Toronto
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 87        Fri Jan 21, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 20:07 EST

Thanks for checking, Robert. ;-)

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 88        Fri Jan 28, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 16:41 EST

Nathan: will there be a networking version of CWNT? and how much would that
be? Also do I understand it correctly that CWNT eliminates the need for the
softRIP? So you can plug directly from the PC into say an Ultre? I was
freelancing at a shop yesterday and the guy is getting ready to spend upwards
of $40,000 for a Mac/Birmy/Scanner/imagesetter deal. While that price is great
compared to a coupla years ago, I was wondering if he could save with CWNT by
eliminating the RIP. Any other info on CWNT would be appreciated. The color
piece is very nice, but not terribly specific. Is there any other info
forthcoming?

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 89        Fri Jan 28, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 17:02 EST

One of the main strengths of Windows NT is its networking capabilities. From
its release, Calamus for NT will have that ability.

You are correct on the "softripping". Calamus will continue to build the page
internally and output the resolution of the output device. We already have a
driver for the Ultre setter in place.

There will be more complex info forthcoming. Frankly, we haven't finished it
yet because Calamus itself is still a moving target. In the past 2 months, 200
features were changed.

Thanks for asking. Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 90        Sat Jan 29, 1994
J.P.C.                       at 09:06 EST

And GOD said, "Let there be light" and, along came Calamus!
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 91        Sun Jan 30, 1994
D.HADLAND [STUSER]           at 04:08 EST

I Would like information on how and where to get a subscription to Steve
Llewellyn "Calamus User" Magazine. Please drop me a note to my Mail Box.
Address is D.Hadland     Thank You.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 92        Sun Jan 30, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 10:09 EST

DMC here has very little to no association with Steve's magazine although we
did receive the first two issues. It illustrated to us that there is a world
of difference between the perception and handling of Calamus in the U.K. vs
here and that Steve does not have access to GEnie. ;-) If you like, I'll look
up his address from the masthead on Monday and post it.

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 93        Sun Jan 30, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 10:36 EST

Dave, CALAMUS USER is a British user magazine put out by a Calamus user. I am
not sure if he is a user group guy or a dealer. In any case, I just read the
first two issues and it was quite interesting. The most astounding fact is
that DMC Publishing North American prices are _substantially_ lower than those
in England. As I recall, Toolbox sells for L250 (about 400.00 US). Mask and
Line Art were selling around 500.00 US. This kind of pricing makes me _very_
happy to be living on this side of the pond.

They also acquired an undocumented English version of Type Art and reviewed it
favorably. No price was quoted nor date for a manual. BTW, I have that version
and it is extremely powerful.

Other goodies you would find in this 16 page newsletter-mag include some Tips
for 1.09N and SL. I don't want to brag, but our own USER to USER files are
eminently more informative, sophisticated and valuable. Nevertheless, they had
a few things that I did not know.

As you would expect, the magazine is full of British ads for DTP software and
hardware. The ads comprise about 40% of the magazine. I am not sure about
subscription prices. Maybe Nathan can find that information for you.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 94        Sun Jan 30, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 13:13 EST

I have just been asked yet again, in email, about the cost of purchasing a
second binder as the first on is full for many of you. I keep forgettingto put
it on the price list. You can buy a second Calamus SL binder for $15.00 should
you require it, plus shipping which is a pain for this thing. ;-)

Nathan
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 95        Mon Jan 31, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 18:09 EST

Type Art??  Was that a typo, a slip-by from Lou or a slip-by from me?

Yanick @ CGA

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 96        Mon Jan 31, 1994
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 18:38 EST

STUSER (D. Hadland),

Is there such an animal as "Calamus User" magazine? I'd *love* to get it.
Please post details here or on my e-mail.

Tom
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 97        Mon Jan 31, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 20:51 EST

Yanick, Type Art is real. I have it and use it. It's just doesn't have an
English manual yet.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 98        Mon Jan 31, 1994
G.GORMAN2 [Glenn Gorman]     at 22:32 EST

 >
 >I have just been asked yet again, in email, about the cost of purchasing a
 >second binder as the first on is full for many of you. I keep forgettingto
put
 >it on the price list. You can buy a second Calamus SL binder for $15.00
should
 >you require it, plus shipping which is a pain for this thing. ;-)
 >
 >Nathan
 >----------

What is the shipping price for a new binder? $10.00? Does that include the
handy box that I keep slipping my back into? The reason that I ask is that I
may be purchasing another module or two. Yea I know. Should have ordered them
all together. But we got our bouns about one week after my last order.

Glenn...

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 99        Tue Feb 01, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 00:03 EST

Yeh, me again.

My father is in the boat business.  He has to make some design on the sides of
the boats, with paint, and would need some kind of stencil. The design in
question is pretty comlex and hopefully, he will have to make many many of
them.  Do you know of a way to print CVG on a very large scale?  This thing is
30 feet long;  it would probably need to be plotted on plan size sheets and
tiled together.  Any other suggestion?

(I don't have a plotter <G>, anyone offering this service?)

Yanick @ CGA

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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 100       Tue Feb 01, 1994
REALM [Joey]                 at 05:03 EST

   Yanick,  They do make plotters that are fed off a roll so 30 feet by 4 foot
shouldn't be hard.  How complex is it?  You might try asking in the DynaCADD
topic.  It's pretty easy to import a CVG into DynaCADD then Plot or Cut from
it.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 101       Tue Feb 01, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:19 EST

Message 176    Tue Feb 01, 1994 Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]


 > Do you know of a way to print CVG on a very large scale?  This
 > thing is 30 feet long...

        Tilling will do it.  You should be able to find someone to offer
plotter as well; that would be best I believe.

>> Joe M <<


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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 102       Tue Feb 01, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:00 EST

Glenn ... $5 for shipping. It's a lot lighter without the manual inside. ;-)

Yanick ... You could either tile in Calamus SL or find someone with DynaCADD.
As Joey mentioned, DynaCADD handles CVG's no problem and there are LARGE
plotters out there.

Nathan
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Message 103       Tue Feb 01, 1994
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 17:57 EST

Nathan,

I, for one, would love to have the address for Steve's magazine. To get
another perspective on Calamus would enhance my usage, IMO.

Tom
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Message 104       Tue Feb 01, 1994
J.P.C.                       at 20:03 EST

RE: plotters

I'm almost positive that Sheldon Winick @ Computer Studio in Ashville North
Carolina has a TT030/Calamus/DynaCaDD/plotter system. After all, he is a
professional architect.

Try E-mail to S.WINICK

Cordially,

Jimmy Carter
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Message 105       Tue Feb 01, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 21:56 EST

Lou,

All right, within this quantum universe it is, but WHAT is it?  I haven't seen
it in any of the newsletters.

Yanick @ CGA

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Message 106       Tue Feb 01, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 22:51 EST

I'll try and remember to post the address tomorrow. I have it at the office.

Sheldon definitely has a serious DynaCADD workstation. ;-) So does REALM. I've
heard Joey's hooked up a 250K laser cutter to DynaCADD and cut out Cyclops
like objects. ;-)

Nathan
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Message 107       Tue Feb 01, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 22:55 EST

I recently received a letter in the mail from the ex - President of TAF, the
Toronto Atari Federation, John Sheehan, now known as the Rev. Fr. John R.
Sheehan, SJ.. I thought I'd take the liberty of sharing it with you.

The letterhead is that of The Society of Jesus in Nigeria and Ghana. John is
the Communications Coordinator in Nigeria at this time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Nathan,

      Greetings from the Dark Continent! A voice from the dim and distant past
- but someone is going over to the States, which means that mail can go - we
have officially given up on the Nigerian Postal system, so we only send mail
out when someone is travelling, or if we bunch a batch together and use a
courier service. On the other end, the Provincial's office in New York is also
sending over weekly packets of mail by private courier. So we are telling
everyone - DON'T WRITE TO NIGERIA! Send mail to me c/o Kohlmann Hall, 501 East
Fordham Rd, Bronx, New York, USA 10458, ATT: Fr. Wood, and it will be passed
on.

      Actually, you have been on my mind for a while; I just wanted to let you
know what an impact Calamus has made in Nigeria. I perhaps have the only Atari
in the whole country - and when the dirt and the dust and the ants in the
machinery finally crash me, I'm not entirely sure what I'm going to do - but
in the meantime, I have been knocking off the collective socks of the Jesuits
and the general populace. I - who have the artistic and design ability of a
mildly retarded chimpanzee - have been put in charge of the Regional
Newsletter. From the rave reviews, you would think I had re-invented booze! I
have been asked to do brochures, letterheads, bulletins for churches - all
because Calamus makes me look so good. I have a Stacy 4, and a Canon Bubblejet
- not brilliant hardware, but it is so far above anything they have seen
around here that people are breathless.

      Unfortunately my floptical drive developed a terminal hiccup shortly
after I arrived - it is back at Purple Mountain and I am hoping to see its
smiling and recovered face soon - so my 40 megs of art and extra fonts are
inaccessible. But even without that, thanks to Calamus, I have developed a
reputation for knowing what I am doing. As an old theatre friend used to say,
"Well, fooled'em again."

      So if you ever need a testimonial from deep in the African bush, count
me testimonialized. One question - this is the old Calamus, not the SL - any
reported glitches on the minimal margins setting on the page layout feature? I
don't get consistent margin settings when I invoke that function, even though
the page size remains constant - I always use A4 - but there are two different
settings that can appear, and there seems to be no pattern. Only one is
correct - ie, the printer observes the "true" setting no matter what the page
shows - and I have learned to keep an eye on it and ignore the "phony" setting
when it appears. But I wondered if that had been noted by anyone and if there
was a correction.

      Otherwise life proceeds here apace. We are now in our fourth or fifth
straight day without electricity, major travel snafu's for several of our men,
bad brakes on the car, heavy rain - life in Lagos is relatively normal. The
country is calm at the moment, although several student groups are promising
more strikes, and the Petroleum workers are talking strike - which will
quickly return us to a fuel shortage situation from which we have only
recently emerged. (John continues here with some political commentary that I'd
better not post publicly.)

      I have heard nothing from TAF. I brought over a FAX modem but the phone
lines and phone system here are generally so dreadful I haven't even unpacked
it. In the normal course of events, you can wait up to two minutes to even get
a dial tone, and the average call to the States takes somewhat between 50 and
70 attempts to get through. The line usually disconnects before the number is
completely dialed. I've learned not to count on the telephone.

      Greet your lovely wife for me, take care of your own charming self, and
a belated but ongoing thank you for having helped bring this lovely program
into the world. It certainly makes me look good, and I just wanted to say
thank you. I had used the program in Canada and the U.S. - but over here, I am
using it several hours every day - the more I use it, the happier a puppy I
become. I just finished a 1994 Calendar for the region that's going into
several thousand copies - it was originally intended just for our men, maybe
100 copies - but when the Superior saw it, he started adding people he wanted
to send it to. (I think I'm rambling.) Greet anyone for me who should be
greeted, and until our paths cross again in person...

                  John S

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

In my opinion, John would really enjoy receiving a packet of information from
North America. I thought that before I send back my response to John, I could
encourage any of you out there so inclined to either send me email to enclose
with my response to John, post here which I will capture and enclose or send
mail directly to John care of the New York address I indicated above. I will
be happy to forward anything on to John. I intend to leave email for PMC now
to inquire about the status of his floptical so that I can advise him of the
status if I'm able.

Any little Calamus-related thing would most certainly be appreciated by him. I
intend to send out all the latest versions to him. As an Atari type person
like ourselves, I'm sure he'd be interested in any of your local Atari
newsletters or anything that any of you might consider interesting. John does
not know I've gone public on this but I'm hoping we can put together a solid
response from us Calamus and non Calamus types so that perhaps he doesn't feel
quite so distant from other parts of his life while he does what he does in
Nigeria.

If you wish to send anything to me to enclose in my own package to John,
please send it to me at DMC.

Sincerely

Nathan Potechin - DMC Publishing
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 108       Wed Feb 02, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 00:00 EST

Type Art is a very powerful font editing program with a myriad of functions
for doing special characters, cut copy and pasting, kerning pairs.... as I
said earlier, it has not be released or advertised due to the lack of English
manual... although the program is completely in English now.


Nathan, send John my best wishes. I still have vivid recollections of this
many in blue jeans stomping around the ACE 92 Show in Toronto with a cellular
phone in hand... barking questions to the hundreds of volunteers. We met in
one of the dark hallways where he was sneaking a smoke and a coffee, chatting
with Dorothy Brumleve who was doing likewise :-)

Later that day I recalled John visiting the booths, chatting with vendors and
asking if things were OK. When the show closed on Sunday afternoon, he was
right there with the volunteers helping slug boxes and equipment to the
elevators.

I didn't know John as President of the Toronto Atari Federation but I do know
that he was greatly respected. It was only when I heard he was going to the
Jesuit Mission in Nigeria that I realized he was a priest. If I was a betting
man, I would bet that John gets the Atari franchise for the Vatican! :-)

Please send him my best. I am sure you are going to make up a great CARE
package for him with all of DMC's latest programs, modules, USER files, etc. I
know John will be eternally <grin> grateful to you.
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Message 109       Wed Feb 02, 1994
REALM [Joey]                 at 04:53 EST

   Nathan, Your close!  We have the 70K Plasma cutter since the 250K Laser
wouldn't cut metal thick enough for us.  I would love to have a laser for
cutting out Cyclops and such but beggers can't be choosers.:-)
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Message 110       Wed Feb 02, 1994
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 07:06 EST

Papageno:
 >
 >(I don't have a plotter <G>, anyone offering this service?)
 > As a matter of fact I DO have a friend in the vinyl sign cutting business
AND he's using .CVG to do his cutting.  He routinely does the sides of trucks,
etc.  Contact me in E-Mail (D.STMARTIN) if you'd like to get in touch with
him.  He lives in South Carolina, and has a modem, but is not on GEnie.

                                        -- Dave @ Binary Ink
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Message 111       Wed Feb 02, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 07:51 EST

I was guessing Joey. ;-)

That's good to know Dave. Tell your friend to get on GEnie. He'd probably pick
up some business hanging around here, more than enough to justify the few
dollars to join. ;-)

Yes, I can also remember John at the ACE show, just as you described him Lou.
;-)

Nathan
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Message 112       Wed Feb 02, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 11:25 EST

From the U.K., CALAMUS USER, The Independant Magazine for Calamus DTP Users.
The Editor is Steve Llewellyn. P.O. Box 148, Deal, Kent, U.K., CT14 7QN

Nathan
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Message 113       Wed Feb 02, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 19:16 EST

Jimmy, Nathan, Joe and Joey  <ouf!>

The graphic is pretty complicated but after discussing with the great master
of the enveloppe pushers (dad),  We will probably punch the graphic in a
fiberglass sheet and use that to mark the boat, and then mask the whole thing.
So, I would really need one of them to make the master.  The main point is
that the design is in two colors and that they must be masked separetly.

I'll Email Sheldon.

BTW, anyone looking for the best fast-cruiser in the world?  If you have a
couple of hundred grants sleeping, let me know!  <g>

Yanick @ CGA

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Message 114       Wed Feb 02, 1994
J.P.C.                       at 20:23 EST

Nathan:

Thanx for the CALAMUS USER address.
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Message 115       Thu Feb 03, 1994
PMC.INC                      at 00:58 EST

Nathan, when you send out info to John, please include a note from me asking
about the status of his drive.  The letter from him was very interesting... I
haven't talked to him since he left for Nigeria.  It sounds like he's doing
great work out there!

Thanks, Oscar @ PMC (Purple Mountain Computers)
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Message 116       Thu Feb 03, 1994
REALM [Joey]                 at 02:22 EST

   Nathan, Your guessing, looks like my wishing so don't feel bad.:-)

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Message 117       Thu Feb 03, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:30 EST

Thanks for posting Oscar. I will pass that along.

While you are wishing Joey, wish for something for us too. ;-)

Nathan
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Message 118       Sat Feb 05, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 02:39 EST

...and then God said, "let there be some gray areas in the light..."

...and then She said, ....
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Message 119       Sat Feb 05, 1994
J.P.C.                       at 09:40 EST

ORCA:

<...and then She said, ....>

Do you mean Darlah? <g>
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Message 120       Sat Feb 05, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 13:56 EST

J.P.C. ...actually I meant God herself, but Darlah is close enuff. %^)
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Message 121       Sat Feb 05, 1994
JIMGROSS [Jim]               at 15:17 EST

 This has probably been mentioned before, but I didn't catch the response.
Are there any plans to port Calamus SL to a Windows 3.1 (or whatever) version
for the PC user, since it may be awhile (if ever)  before most of us see NT on
our everyday work machines.  I would buy one for my own use at work if I
could.  I am continually frustrated by the "tools" we have to work with in the
"real" world!

 It would also be interesting to hear the rationale for the NT target.

 Is there a topic anywhere on GEnie for Calamus NT discussions?

 --Jim
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Message 122       Sat Feb 05, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 20:03 EST

Jim, you are in the right place to discuss Calamus and Windows NT. For
discussions about Windows NT, you can go to that specific RT... but you won't
find any Calamus discussions there.

You are correct in recollecting a previous comment about a Windows 3.1 version
to follow the NT version. Can't remember who said it but that would seem to be
the plan. As for the selection of NT initially, I would guess it has something
to do with the sheer power of those systems with 150 Mhz CPU's, vast memory
and storage, etc. These power features are an incredible advantage for
professional DTP'ers.
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Message 123       Sat Feb 05, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 21:26 EST

NT was chosen for many reasons, not the least of which was the fact that there
are already NT versions for the Alpha and MIPS RISC chips, Pentium and
standard PC. Both SGI and PowerPC have announced soon to be released versions
as well. So NT should be not only readily available but on multiple platforms.
The folks at DMC are still trying to figure out what happened the last time
they wrote a great program, Calamus, for a great computer, the Atari. Seems
the computer all but disappeared. Thankfully we have enough of us Atari type
Calamus owners to keep us going regardless of how many Atari computers sold
last year. ;-) The pending release of the NT version will strengthen us all.

Another reason for the NT version is the 32 bit architecture. This was far
more appealing to us than the old 16 bit in Windows 3.1. We'll stick with NT.
Eventually Chicago will be released or whatever they call it at that time and
it will replace Windows  3.1 with a low-end 32 bit Windows system. And then it
will have all come together.

Hope that helps explain our thoughts.

Sincerely

Nathan
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Message 124       Sun Feb 06, 1994
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 08:17 EST

 >
 >...and then God said, "let there be some gray areas in the light..."
 > Actually it was the graphic designer, (pleading vioce here. . .  ):

      PAAAALEEEEZZZZEEEEEE let me have some white space!!!

<<GRIN>>

                                      -- Dave @ Binary Ink

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Message 125       Sun Feb 06, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 10:18 EST

Jim,

        If you can buy Calamus NT you should be able to purchase MicroSoft NT.
I would believe it would be worth the cost if you are going to be doing high
end work like DTP on a Intel based machine.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 128       Sun Feb 06, 1994
D.FINTON [d/Thor]            at 23:22 EST

Nathan-- Does your refernce to "Chicago's" 32 bit architecture indicate that
Calamus NT can be expected to run on Chicago?
  I loved 1.09n, but have since moved to a 386 and a Mac II. Would love to see
Calamus on either platform, but really can't afford to spring for the hardware
upgrade needed for WinNT (fast 486 and 20 megs of ram).
  If Calamus NT is going to run on Chacago, I'll start saving my pennies now.
     ----=|Thor|=-----

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Message 131       Tue Feb 08, 1994
JIMGROSS [Jim]               at 08:38 EST

Thanks for all the response to my Calamus NT question.  I knew that would
liven up the topic! :-)

 It certainly makes sense to pick the multi-platform solution.  That should go
a long way toward expanding the user base.  I had forgotten the 16 bit vs. 32
bit issue, too.  So now we're waiting for Windows to "mature" to the point
where it's powerful enough to run Calamus.  In other words, waiting for the
rest of the world to catch up.  I love it!

 Joe, I could buy Calamus NT only because of Nathan's generous offer to Atari
users.  I'm not sure Microsoft would be so generous!  Besides the cost of
Windows NT, I would still have the problem of upgrading my office PC hardware
to run it.  Actually the cost of  upgrading the PC hardware and OS would
certainly overshadow the cost of Calamus NT.  And last, but not least, I would
have to talk my company into upgrading the PC.  I can make the Calamus
decision myself!

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Message 132       Thu Feb 10, 1994
D.HARRIS8                    at 22:37 EST

 I heard a coworker cussing at his computer the other day (he was working
 in PageFaker). I told him how I felt about PFaker and how much better
 Calamus worked. He gave me a dirty look. I wonder why?
 8^)
 Don
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Message 134       Sat Feb 12, 1994
J.P.C.                       at 09:56 EST

I'll _never_ forget the time I showed my _ex_ live-in girlfriend that I could
rotate text with CALAMUS 1.09N. Something she couldn't do with anything she
had at access to at work, which was _anything_ and  _everything_ available for
the MacIIfx at the time (1988). <grin>
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Message 135       Sun Feb 13, 1994
D.HARRIS8                    at 08:41 EST

 Joey, believe me, I don't. I usually get surprised looks or just smirks
 when I mention that I wouldn't own a DOSmonster at home and do all my
 work on an Atari... until they see the quality of product. I have the
 Nissan NSX that was drawn in Outline Art hanging on my wall at work (can't
 remember the guy's name, but he puts me to shame artistically). When I tell
 them the stuff Calamus SL does that PageFaker won't, or will do but
 grudgingly (such as simply grouping items), they don't know what to say.
 I'm looking at upgrading to one of the new HP4's to get that 600dpi output.
 Anyone using one have any problems with it and SL?
 Also, how much memory does it have to have? I'm used to the SLM804 being a
 'dumb' printer with no memory, and I will only grudgingly buy any to put
 into a printer that won't give me something to use in my computer, too.

 8^)
 Don
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Message 136       Sun Feb 13, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 11:30 EST

Don, I am also saving up for the HP4. The price is now around 1400.00 CDN with
2 megs of RAM. From the tests I have seen, it really needs the 6 megs to
handle all kinds of SL pages, including Legal/Landscape. I have emailed the
drivers to many people and so far I have not heard of any problems. One of our
users modified them to get correct Letter and Legal sizes. Other than that,
the print quality and process is excellent.
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Message 137       Sun Feb 13, 1994
D.HARRIS8                    at 22:04 EST

 The HP4 is selling here for less than $1000 with 2 megs. I hope to be able
 to try one out before too long. My SLM804 is 6 years old now, and needs
 another drum. I'd just as soon not put one in it if I can go ahead and get
 a new printer. If Calamus creates the page within the computer's memory,
 why does the printer need so much memory just to print it? I don't under-
 stand, but then I'm a user, not a techie.
 8^)
 Don
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Message 138       Mon Feb 14, 1994
REALM [Joey]                 at 03:56 EST

   Don, I'm lucky.  I can already use all the computer stuff at work better
then anyone else, which isn't saying much.:-)  They don't give me any grief.:-
)  We also have several TT DynaCADD systems that get used constantly.  I'm
afraid they'll eventually be clone DynaCADD systems but still DynaCADD.
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Message 139       Mon Feb 14, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:16 EST

Message 137    Sun Feb 13, 1994 D.HARRIS8


 > If Calamus creates the page within the computer's memory, why does
 > the printer need so much memory just to print it?

        Calamus computes the page then sends it to the printer, the printer
needs to be able to receive the whole page in its memory before beginning to
print.  A dot type printer only prints one line of dots (8,9,or 24) at a time
so it does not need much memory, it just tells the computer to hold up till it
prints the last line.  The laser wants to know about a whole page before it
starts printing that page.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 140       Tue Feb 15, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 00:18 EST

Just to precise what Joe M said about laser printers:

Non Atari laser need to hold the entire page in memory before printing it
because the parallel port can't transfer the data fast enough for real time
printing.  Since the DMA allows 10 Mbit/sec, it's possible to transfer the
page while it's printing assuming you won't need more than 10 million points
per second of printing.  It would theoreticly allow the printing of a letter
page with no margin at 1034 DPI in ten sec.  Pratically, 600 DPI printing
should be possible.  I only other computer plateforms had a DMA port <GRIN>.

Yanick @ CGA

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Message 141       Tue Feb 15, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 23:26 EST

Sorry that I don't have the user's name handy but someone just reported having
a driver for the HP DJ55C that does include Letter size as an option.  Mine
only has A4 and A5.  Could I have the new one in email?  Thanks in advance.
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Message 142       Fri Feb 18, 1994
D.HARRIS8                    at 22:48 EST

 So it's not the printer's fault that it can't print fast enough but the
 port that it gets fed from. I see. Thanks. It would be nice to be able
 to hook up to the DMA, wouldn't it.
 Don
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Message 143       Mon Feb 21, 1994
AEO.5 [Ed Krimen]            at 20:16 EST

From another topic, Sam said:

 >Now they've been reporting about both the 32 bit OS for PC's (code
 >named Chicago) and the NT version (code named Cairo).  Though they
 >seem to expect Chicago to hit sometime this year, they don't expect NT
 >to really take hold until 1997.  Interesting?

NT and Cairo are different.

NT is a niche product at this point.  It's used for software development and
high-end users for server applications and the like.

Chicago is the mainstream product upgrade like Windows 3.x.  Chicago (Win 4.x)
uses the Win32 (32-bit) API, whereas Windows 3.x uses the Win16 (16-bit) API.
(API is Application Programmers Interface.)

NT currently uses the Win32 API, but can also use the Win16 API for software
development.

Cairo is something different, which will come after Chicago.  Cairo is a 32-
bit object-oriented OS.

As far an NT not taking hold until 1997, I don't think Microsoft expects it
not to take hold anywhere except its niche market.  The system requirements
for NT are simply too demanding for you and me to have a personal NT machine.
In fact, I'm almost sure that Microsoft expects NT to take hold in its niche
market well before that time, if it hasn't already.

Chicago won't be available until next year at the earliest.  Sure Microsloth
said this year, but come on' -- what do you think? ;-) You'll be better off
waiting for the x.1 version anyway. ;-)




Actually, I was kinda surprised when DMC announced Calamus for NT.  I mean,
why NT?  The NT market is barely the size of the Atari-capable SL market (I
think they said that NT had shipped 1mil copies so far), so why focus on NT?
Your grandmother isn't going to have an NT machine to run Calamus on because
the system requirements are too severe.

My guess is that the DMC folks didn't want to deal with Windows 3.x; that
would be a step backwards in time, since they're accustommed to the ST/TT
after all of these years.  Preparing themselves with NT, DMC is probably
licking their chops for Chicago.  I am too. ;-)
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Message 144       Tue Feb 22, 1994
R.COOPER2 [Rob]              at 00:45 EST

Ed:

 >Actually, I was kinda surprised when DMC announced Calamus for NT.  I
 >mean, why NT?  The NT market is barely the size of the Atari-capable
 >SL market (I think they said that NT had shipped 1mil copies so far),
 >so why focus on NT?  Your grandmother isn't going to have an NT
 >machine to run Calamus on because the system requirements are too
 >severe.
 >
 >My guess is that the DMC folks didn't want to deal with Windows 3.x;
 >that would be a step backwards in time, since they're accustommed to
 >the ST/TT after all of these years.  Preparing themselves with NT, DMC
 >is probably licking their chops for Chicago.  I am too. ;-)

        Nathan has said that it was because of the requirement of a 32 bit OS.
Also that SL will be available for Windows "Chicago".

Rob

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Message 145       Tue Feb 22, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 09:12 EST

The available NT machines have already far exceeded every ST ever sold. :-)
Anyway, there was many reasons we went with it. We liked the fact it is
available on many platforms: RISC, Pentium, PC, PowerPC, SGI etc.. 32 bit was
a major factor. We intend to become firmly established in that "niche" prior
to the release of Chicago, which will eventually replace the 50 million or so
Windows owners operating system. We will definitely have a Chicago version. It
all makes sense in the long run based on the information available to us a
year ago when the decision was finalized.

Meanwhile, here I am, happily typing away on my Atari. ;-) I'll be brought
kicking and screaming to any other platform,  personally speaking. My current
needs are completely filled with Calamus SL, thankyouverymuch! ;-)

Nathan
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Message 146       Wed Feb 23, 1994
DMCPUBLISH [Mario]           at 20:58 EST

Some of the systems Nathan mentioned are actually 64 bit environments and are
amazingly fast...
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Message 147       Fri Feb 25, 1994
JIMGROSS [Jim]               at 08:19 EST

Be sure to read David Troy's entertaining and informative article on "Chicago"
in the February Current Notes.

 --Jim
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Message 148       Fri Feb 25, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 10:11 EST

We always read Current Notes around here. After all, they use Calamus to
publish it. ;-)

So does Atari User and the new Falcon magazine about to begin shipping from
TWP for that matter. We read them all. ;-)

Nathan
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Message 149       Sat Feb 26, 1994
M.VONSEGGER [Marky Mark]     at 10:12 EST

Thanks to DMC. I have received the update to the bridge, lineart and raster
generator modules. Thanks again.

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Message 150       Sat Feb 26, 1994
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 11:50 EST

Mario (or whomever),

Since there is no manual for All Curve, could we possibly get either a
tutorial or something to explain *all* its functions. Some particulars:

1. I think, Mario, you mentioned something to the effect of utilizing curves
found in PhotoShop to use in All Curve. Please clarify.

2. There's an area under the curve selected called "type"; underneath it says
"Bezier". It appears there could be other choices available due to the arrow
next to it. I can't get anything to happen here, and would like to know what
it does.

Anyway, maybe I'm just a bit daft here, especially on such a straight forward
module, but I need to know. Then again, until I read the Raster Generator U2U
file, I never knew how powerful this module was.

Also, Mario, I sent you e-mail on some Raster Generator topics (i.e. supercell
screening, etc.) Any response?

One other loaded question. In monochome mode, you are able to see your dot
patterns. Excellent function, can't find that anywhere else. Will it be
possible to see the CMYK patterns (rosettes) on a color screen? Maybe this
would be prohibitively processor-intensive, but it seems the technology is
there, if you can make out dot patterns in monochrome.

Lou,

HERE! HERE! on getting MOUNT to be used with legal sheets. I'd even like to
see that module expanded to cover even more areas (Saddle stitching, perfect
binding, 3-up consecutive (for brochure spreads), 4-up, etc.) Please reference
the addition in Pagemaker calld "Build Booket". (Sorry, Nathan, but I had to
compare it to *something*).

Tom

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Message 151       Sat Feb 26, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 12:12 EST

Tom, saddle stiching? Re the raster generator... yes, you see the rosettes on
a color screen.
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Message 152       Sat Feb 26, 1994
G.NORTON [Falcon Systm]      at 13:13 EST

Nathan,

Is there any chance there might be an import driver for RTF in the works for
S/SL? It would be nice to be able to import text from Atari Works/Word Perfect
PC etc.

Graham @ Falcon Systems
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Message 153       Sat Feb 26, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 15:05 EST

I second the request for RTF import and export drivers.  RTF, 'rich text
format', is intended to be the format that allows text to be moved between
many various programs and most modern programs on all platforms have ways to
import and export it.  It is something that is sort of a 'must' for SL.
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Message 154       Sat Feb 26, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 16:56 EST

I honestly don't know if their is any work being done on a Calamus RTF driver.
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Message 155       Sat Feb 26, 1994
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 20:44 EST

Wow great idea Graham! I will third that request for RTF!

~~Brian..Written on Saturday 26 February 1994 at 09:33 p.m. ADT


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Message 156       Sat Feb 26, 1994
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 21:13 EST

Lou,

Re: Saddle Stitching.

Actually, SL and the MOUNT Module will let you do this. I would just set a
gutter value in my page setup, and just set MOUNT to print 2 pages on one
sheet. Comparing to what Pagemaker does is the difference that you adjust for
gutter/creep within their equivalent module, as opposed to within the main
program

The difference between 2-up saddle stitching and 2-up perfect bound is that
the former prints 2 pages side by side. MOUNT already does this. Perfect bound
is for when a series of booklets are put together, collated and bound (like a
book). If it were to be incorporated into MOUNT, What you might do is tell it
how many pages to cluster into an intermediate booklet, and then when those
books are stacked, the booklets are arranged so the page numbers are properly
consecutive.

Re: Rosettes

Have I missed something? First off, I thought the only way you could see any
WSYWYG dot patterns is in mono mode (I've seen them), but I've not seen them
in color. I do have my Raster Screen Display on, if I remember correctly. I'll
check again, but in the meantime, could you tell me how this is done? Note I
have a Crazy Dots 8 board, which gives me 256 colors. Don't know if this makes
any difference.

Tom

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Message 157       Sat Feb 26, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 22:36 EST

Lou ...about the RTF driver (CIR -and- CER) ...I believe you 'honestly don't
know' if any work is being done on these.

I wonder who could find out about that info.  To not have drivers like that in
this day and age is plain silly.  Almost like not having and ascii in/out
would have been a couple of years back!


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Message 158       Sun Feb 27, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:58 EST

Stephen ... Once again I'll remind you that DMC is not customizing Calamus
specifically for you. Lately I'm starting to get that impression from your
posts. I wish I could wave some magic wand and have everything fine in the
universe, then I wake up and start my day. I got your messages in half the
topics in Cat 16 and I appreciate them. Now stand back and see what results.

I can tell you that the RTF driver has been written for the NT version
although that's not what you wanted to hear. I can also tell you that I've
requested I get an RTF driver for the SL version, of course. I can further
tell you that right now the relevant programmer is working on the completion
of the NT version. As a result, I do not expect to get the SL driver until
they get the NT version out the door. Again, not what you wanted to hear but a
reality nonetheless, that insures our future. Can you understand that?

Sincerely

Nathan Potechin - DMC Publishing
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Message 159       Sun Feb 27, 1994
DMCPUBLISH [Mario]           at 20:00 EST

Tom, Yes, I should have gotten back to you sooner, I am sorry about  not
responding, so here goes.  1. Photoshop curves can be utilised by visually
copying them, several publications about photoshop actually show the curves in
dialog form. You simply duplicate these curves in All-curve.   Not too hard,
eh? however duplication does not mean copying ...  I mean adapting ... this
should be done with full knowledge of what photoshop curve is actually doing
to your elements.

2. The Type function is not active in Allcurve it simply allows you other
types of definition (ala Calamus).  The supercell screening issue is basically
the same principle as is discussed in the Manual you were referring to.

The Rosettes will only appear on colour modes that are 4 bits  (16 colours -
TT medium resolution or graphic Cards supporting 4 bit. The 8 bit and 24 bit
modes use different display codes and therefore  do not support the display of
rosettes.

Stephen ... The RTF driver will have a *.CIT extension and it  will be
available after the NT version is released.


Mario @ DMC Publishing
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Message 160       Mon Feb 28, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 01:08 EST

Got it Nathan, ...reality is not really what I wanted to hear.  %^)

...I understand it ain't your fault.

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Message 161       Mon Feb 28, 1994
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 19:44 EST

Mario,

Thanks for the info, in particular the rosette pattern issue. (Thanks to you
too Lou, at least now I know how I can see the patterns) Anyway, I'll try 16
color mode agiain. My VDI drivers for 4 bit seem buggy, or else its somewhere
in my Turbo board/CrazyDots/NVDI combo.

Re: All Curve stuff

OK, now I understand. I certainly can try some of those curves for PhotoShop
with AllCurve. A friend showed me a curve he applied to text to give sort of a
metallic or shiny effect. I know the shpe of the curve, but can't seem to
apply it in SL. Not blaming SL, 'cause I still have a lot to learn with
PhotoShop. BTW, could you recommend a few of these books? You know I already
have The PhotoShop Bible; or better yet, how about uploading a few you may
have created? ;-)

Re: Supercell screening

I wanted to be sure that the Raster Generator did supercell screening as
described, so I can use it as a reference.

As always, I appreciate the support.

Tom

P.S. Nathan, got my Bridge manual today. THANKS!


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Message 162       Tue Mar 01, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 00:08 EST

Tom, I believe there is a Mario file called SUPRCELL.TXT in Library 30.
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Message 163       Tue Mar 01, 1994
T.HENRY12 [Tom Jr.]          at 21:15 EST

Lou,

Thanks! I'll check it out.

Tom
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Message 164       Wed Mar 02, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 01:19 EST

Mario,

I wonder if you might elaborate on some points of the Bridge manual, as well
as about a tip you have posted, concerning the converting of color images?

My thought is that you might do this via an example by using an image, say a
Kodak Photo CD image, and then describe the steps and settings to convert it
to a CYMK file suitable for Lino output at 2540 dpi., for four color
separations.  Perhaps you could pick a medium resolution and a higher
resolution sample of the same Photo CD image? Further, perhaps you could do
the same for a scanned color image, say a TIF scanned at 300 dpi, and one at
600 dpi???

Now part of my confusion around this question comes from your tip and the
'hint' in the manual about setting the screen resolution in the System
Parameters and then optimising the image for 'printer' at 1:1 before doing the
Bridge conversion.  It is clear enough when thinking of a printer that uses
300 x 300 dpi.  (still a rather large file results, no?) ...But a Lino
'printer' at 2540 by 2540 dpi seems an unlikely setting for the Sys.
Parameters.  You see my confusion, I'm sure!

I know this isn't the most fun for you, but explaining it by use of an example
all the way through would possibly clear up a lot of questions for many users.
Whatchatink?


Thanks in advance,

Stephen

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Message 165       Thu Mar 03, 1994
DMCPUBLISH [Mario]           at 21:19 EST

The crucial thing to remember here is to forget about your output  device and
to consider the line screen density you are looking for lets say you want a 4
x 4 photo at 133 lpi. You would scan the image at 266 dpi and then enter 266
dpi in the system parameters module. You import the scan and click on optimise
to screen, you the use the  raster generator to apply the screen values (133
lpi) and set the  resolution for your output device in the dpi entry field (in
your case 2540 dpi) the optimised graphic would be approximately 4 x 4 inches
based upon your scan. The reason you forget about the resolution of of your
output device for screens is that the scans are unaffected by the resolution
of your imagesetter when you apply the 2xlpi rule.

hope this helps ... Mario @ DMC Publishing
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Message 166       Fri Mar 04, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 03:33 EST

Great Mario, ...that clears up the confusion perfectly!  Thanks again.

Best,

Orca
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Message 167       Fri Mar 04, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 10:21 EST

I knew there was a reason Mario wanders around this place. My 5 year old
dropped by with my wife yesterday. His second comment after saying hello to me
was "Hi Beetlejuice" to Mario. ;-)

Nathan
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Message 168       Sat Mar 05, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 00:43 EST

Stephen,

        The tip mario talked about is this:  If you want a picture to be
output at 2540 DPI, you're going to need the picture to be scaled at 266 DPI
so the ratio DPI/LPI is 2/1 for a 133LPI output.  Thus, you would set the
screen rez in the Sys.Param. Mod to 266 and optimize for _SCREEN_.  The
picture will be scaled at 266.

Yanick @ CGA

(Sorry for the delays, this was written offline wednesday night but I couldn't
get online yesterday) YD
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Message 169       Sat Mar 05, 1994
REALM [Joey]                 at 02:07 EST

  Nathan,:-)
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Message 170       Sat Mar 05, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 18:31 EST

Thanks much Yanick, ...Mario came on a explained it also.
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Message 172       Thu Mar 10, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 08:56 EST

Can anyone direct me to a nice hot dog clip? I found one in the library but it
had too many potato chips on the side for me to use. I can always scan a pic
at work tomorrow but then I have to find a pic and I'm lazy...so I thought I'd
query some of you Calamus hot dogs :-) Thanks much...

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Message 173       Thu Mar 10, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 17:36 EST

If you happened to have the Brush Module you could delete the  potato chips.

Nathan
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Message 174       Thu Mar 10, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 21:29 EST

Don't have Brush. Nor Speedline (yet) which I'd need to blow the .PI3 up to
size. I'll try the Corel CD library which has lots of food shots...or I could
draw one....naah.

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Message 175       Thu Mar 10, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 22:03 EST

Excuse me if this is a dumb question, but it's something that I've long
wondered: Why are we limited to the same standard 32 GEM fill patterns? Are
they built into TOS? Hasn't anyone ever come up with an alternate set? I like
having the ability to assign a GEM fill to an object, particularly in Line
Art, but the same cross hatching, raindrops, hearts and Fujis are a bit dated.
No one ever talks about it, so I've assumed that's just the way it is. It'd be
neat if we could load different sets like the PS textures in Corel Draw. Just
wondrin'...

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Message 176       Fri Mar 11, 1994
G.FUQUAY [GGF]               at 20:59 EST

I don't know if this is the right topic or not, but can anyone tell me if
several objects can be grouped into one object in Outline Art? I can't seem to
find that option in the pull down menus.

Thanks, Gary
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Message 177       Fri Mar 11, 1994
K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH]   at 21:43 EST

Dennis,

I've often wondered the same.  Silhouette allows you to create custom fills in
its vector window, but I haven't played with trying to get them into SL.

Ken S.
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Message 178       Fri Mar 11, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 23:02 EST

Gary, yes you can group and ungroup in the NEW Outline Art 3.0 but not in the
original OA.  Getting the new version is plenty much worth the upgrade fee.

All material contained in this item is protected by the following copyright
(c) Copyright by Orca Publishing 1994 _ all rights reserved
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Message 179       Sat Mar 12, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 08:53 EST

Ken: A GEM pattern editing module would be great for SL...


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Message 180       Sat Mar 12, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 16:14 EST

Dennis...  yeah, that would be great but don't hold yer breath!  I know it's
sort of ancient history, but Degas elite had a wonderful ablility to not only
edit fill patterns but to also start that process by 'grabing' a section of
the screen and then to save libraries of the fills thusly created.  Also, in
DE the fills could be made of up of whatever colors are on screen at the time.
An advanced version of that would really be super keen.

In the 'meantime' one can achieve some limited approximations of a custom fill
look by creating bit map 'fills' as various kinds of bit image files in other
programs, import them into SL and use Mask along with another shape to make
what you want.  Not a click-click process but it does produce some interesting
results. %^)

While we are on the subject of fills, something that would make bit map
gradient blended fills, say of three colors, would be pretty nice too!

All material contained in this item is protected by the following copyright
(c) Copyright by Orca Publishing 1994 _ all rights reserved
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Message 181       Sat Mar 12, 1994
G.FUQUAY [GGF]               at 20:19 EST

S.Samuels,

Thanks for the info. Now I just need to know what to do to get the upgrade. I
have purchased a used copy of Outline Art Ver. 1.00, the serial number is
0300871. I have the original disks, manual and I believe I even have the
original owners copy of the invoice. Do you know what the procedure is, and
how much the upgrade fee is?

Thanks, Gary

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Message 182       Sat Mar 12, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 21:25 EST

Gary, you are in luck. The last mail out to DMC customers is still in effect
and you can upgrade to Outline Art 3.0 by sending email to POTECHIN. Include
the serial number and the name of the previous owner for validation. Do not
post here. I believe the current upgrade price is 70.00 US. Nathan will accept
your order in email if you provide VISA or MasterCard. Do not post here.

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Message 184       Sun Mar 13, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 01:59 EST

Gary, I think you got it all now, right, ...but listen, if you really want to,
you -can- send me your credit card number in email.  Mine are all full and I
could certainly use someones!  (joke, joke)  Hope you enjoy OA3.0...  it is
much better than the original release.  Gosh, I can hardly wait for version
4.0!
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Message 185       Sun Mar 13, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:55 EST

As a rule, do not ever post your serial number in public. Sadly there are some
less than ethical types around that will take advantage of any public
disclosure of this nature. Same thing applies for a credit card number. You
can order in email in complete privacy. Do not do so in the bulletin board.
The upgrade cost from Outline Art 1.0 to Outline Art 3.0 is US $70.00.

Welcome to Cat 16 Gary.

Sincerely

Nathan Potechin - DMC Publishing
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 186       Fri Mar 25, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 00:46 EST

   Can anyone fill me in on video capture options with Calamus? Here's why I'm
interested: Last weekend, my company did a show for kids at the Merchandise
Mart. Part of our booth had a Pintaar Video System set up which allowed us to
blend people into the cover of one of our publications (Chicago Parent), along
with Barney or Bugs Bunny or Bill Clinton etc. We printed via a Mitsubishi
video printer at low rez on cheap fax-like paper, stapled it into a folder and
charged a buck. We made $600, which just about covered the equipment rental
and the operator for 2 days :-). It was a hit.
   Anyways, at the theatre I work at we take a lot of Polaroids of customers
in various gag and/or amorous poses with showgirls/guys/each other. The
Polaroids probably cost a buck a piece and we sell them at cost as a
promotion. The video output is B/W and probably costs 2 cents on the cheap
thermal paper -but- it is video oriented and I saw how people went wild
queuing up to get on TV. We'd like to try it at the theatre, but who wants to
rent or buy a system if we can roll our own with what I already have.
   So...my question is, is there a way to import live video into SL, merge the
picture with graphics and output them *quickly* to a printer such as the
Mitsubishi? Quick turnaround is the key. The Pintaar system was a camera
feeding to a laptop (looked like a Stacy...naah, couldn't be) and to the
printer, very compact and fast. That's the key. So if anyone here has any
wisdom on this, I'd like to hear about it. Thanks....


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Message 187       Sun Mar 27, 1994
R.BOARDMAN [Robert Board]    at 14:11 EST

I have been thinking about switching from an SLM804 to a "standard" laser
printer, possibly one with Postscript ability. I train people to use IBM type
computers, so must have a DOS box on my desk as well as my ST, and must
produce documents with DOS WordPerfect to show trainees what can be done with
that system. At the moment I have both a dot matrix for the IBM and the SLM804
hooked up to my ST. I need better quality output from WordPerfect and I would
like to have just one printer on my desk that I could use with both machines.
Unfortunately that can't be the SLM804.

I have 1.09N on my ST. Are there any serious deficiencies or differences
between the output of an SLM804 and a "standard" HP laser (not the desktop 500
series) using 1.09N? The Calamus manual seems to imply that each Calamus page
is sent to the printer as an image. While that would mean 2MB (or more) of RAM
in an HP compatible, it also would mean no problems with rotated text on an HP
machine, among other things.

If I bought a new printer which was Postscript compatible (either Level 1 or
2) is there a Postscript driver for 1.09N?

I want to gain back some desk space without sacrificing the joys and results
of Calamus.

Robert in Toronto
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Message 188       Sun Mar 27, 1994
DMCPUBLISH [Mario]           at 16:42 EST

Sorry Robert, there are no PostScript based drivers that are suitable for use
in 1.09N ... however, the HP LJIV is a good printer that will work with both
your Atari and PC. The quality difference between the SLM and the LJ IV is
substantial and I would easily recommend it for both Calamus and your PC apps.
The SLM is only a dumb printer and will not work with any other CPU but the
Atari.

Mario @ DMC Publish
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Message 189       Mon Mar 28, 1994
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:02 EST

Robert,

        When you go to a HP laser you will need additional memory in the laser
since it cannot use the Atari memory.

        If you want improved output you will need to go to a 600 dpi or better
printer, HP does make a few.  There should be a little improvement from you
SLM to a 300 dot HP with resolution enhancement, but not a lot.

>> Joe M <<
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Message 190       Mon Mar 28, 1994
K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH]   at 22:21 EST

Robert,

 >If you want improved output you will need to go to a 600 dpi or
 >better printer, HP does make a few.  There should be a little
 >improvement from you SLM to a 300 dot HP with resolution
 >enhancement, but not a lot.
 > >>> Joe M <<

Gotta disagree with Joe just a bit.  Did a doc in a word processor, and
printed on both a real HP III and the 804.  You could tell a major difference
in the quality of the text just by looking.  The doc did not contain any
graphics.

I think you best bet is to try a printer before you buy it.  I looked at new
printers while on vacation (I live in the remote part of Alaska, and I took a
STacy with me to the stores and plugged in <G>), and a case in point is the
Okidate 410e.  The graphics printing wasn't really any different, but the reso
enhancement made a big difference in the text quality.

Take a good look at what you will be printing, and then try them. All lasers
are not created equal.

Good Luck.

Ken S.
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Message 191       Mon Mar 28, 1994
S.BLACKBURN [STEVE]          at 23:32 EST

Does anyone out there use Border Bundles as a DA with Calamus? After I set it
to the size desired I click on the BUILD BORDER button and the computer
freezes up.

Is there a seacret to using BB that I'm missing somewhere? Or should it be
used as a .PRG file only. There was only one file in the .zip and that was a
.prg file. I changed the extension to .acc to use it as a DA (which I think is
ok)

Any suggestions?


Steve
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Message 192       Tue Mar 29, 1994
R.BOARDMAN [Robert Board]    at 19:17 EST

Joe & Mario:

Thanks for the info.
 I know about the 804 using my Mega's RAM, so anticipate buying a laserjet
with at least 1MB, probably 2MB of its own RAM.
 Don't know yet if I can afford to step up to 600dpi, but it seems to be
becoming the new laser standard.

Robert in Toronto
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Message 193       Tue Mar 29, 1994
ST.LOU [Lou Rocha]           at 20:46 EST

Steve, I have used BB on many occasions. The only time it locked up was when I
had a large RAM disk installed. I think BB needs some overhead to run. In
recalling your recent problems getting the system setup, I wonder if you have
stumbled on the same problem again. Did you try it as a PRG?
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Message 194       Tue Mar 29, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 21:17 EST

Robert ... Try 2 meg minimum to output graphics on the HP, 6 meg preferred.
The street prices on the 600 dpi HP4 around town are around $1,400.

Nathan Potechin - DMC Publishing
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Message 195       Tue Mar 29, 1994
K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH]   at 22:15 EST

Steve and Lou,

Good ole BB! <G>  I've not run it as an ACC, but do know it will not run in TT
med.  If I remember correctly, Gregg told me it only runs in mono, and then
maybe only ST high.  He doesn't have color for his Atari.

Same applies to GENUS II, but I know it runs in both mono modes.

Ken S.
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Message 196       Wed Mar 30, 1994
S.SAMUELS [ORCA]             at 04:16 EST

Steve and Ken... I would suggest using BB as a prg. only, and not an ACC,
...especially on a TT.  It was written for the ST line of machines and has
some problems with the TT rez's which show up especially when run as an ACC.
You are right though, ...it is 'susposed' to be renamable to acc or prg.

BB will run as a prg. in TT med, or TT hi.  Also Ken, there is or will be RSN
an update for GENUS II that does indeed run in TT med!



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Message 197       Wed Mar 30, 1994
D.STMARTIN [Binary Ink]      at 07:19 EST

Steve:

 >Does anyone out there use Border Bundles as a DA with Calamus? After I set
it
 >to the size desired I click on the BUILD BORDER button and the computer
 >freezes up.

It sounds like you have a scrambled Border Bundle file or something running
interference.  I run Border Bundle under the CodeHeads MultiDesk with no
problem at all.  You should get the file selector box at the point you mention
(be _sure_ to include a .CVG extension when you enter the name).  My other
guess would be to check your file selector.  I use UIS III.  If you're using a
non-standard file selector I'd disable it.  One other thing you might check is
the location of the of the files, they should all be in the B_BUNDLE folder.

Border Bundle has saved me a _bunch_ of time and allowed me to produce _much_
more professional result than the competition (called a "leg up" <G>).  One
other suggestion I would give to anyone using Border bundle, particularly if
you have a bunch of borders such as on an advertizing mailer, is to turn
vector caching ON.  It'll save you quite a bit of time.

                                     -- Dave @ Binary Ink


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Message 198       Wed Mar 30, 1994
Y.DUFRESNE [Papageno]        at 18:38 EST

Steve,

I don't recall having problems using BorderBuldle as an ACC.  I'll try it
again.  One very good solution would be to get Geneva.  This way, you could
run anything you want all simultaniously.

Yanick @ CGA

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Message 199       Wed Mar 30, 1994
J.P.C.                       at 21:17 EST

Steve:

I use Border Bundle as as ACC, with _no_ problems. I'm running 1.09N on a MEGA
ST4, UIS_III and NeoDesk_3.

You might try downloading the BB file again.

Good luck!
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Message 200       Wed Mar 30, 1994
S.BLACKBURN [STEVE]          at 22:03 EST

Lou,

I don't have a ramdisk set up in my system. I've used it successfully as a
.prg file but was hoping I could get it to work properly as a DA since it
would be a valuable asset. Maybe I'll try deleting things in the auto folder
and see what I can find.

You mentioned that you don't use things like POOLFIX, TOSFIX, OR SERIAL FIX in
your auto folder. Are these things really necessary, what happens when they
arn't present. They could account for some of the problems I've been having.

To all, thanks for the help...Steve

P.S. What is GENUS II?

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Message 201       Wed Mar 30, 1994
K.SPRINGER1 [FROZEN NORTH]   at 22:12 EST

Stephen,

Never have tried BB as an ACC.  Maybe it's the catalogueing utility that
doesn't run in TT med.  I remember something doesn't work right, which is why
I use ST HI.

RSN, how many times have we heard that?  That's not meant to be read as a
nasty comment aimed at Gregg, just an observation.  My GENUS II runs in TT med
now, but I'm not sure that the kerning operation is correct in TT med.  I have
not delved into this, but I think I get different results.  It'll be nice to
have the real manual also. Supposedly, someone is working on one using SL.

Ken S.
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 202       Thu Mar 31, 1994
POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC]      at 08:06 EST

I believe Genus II has its own topic. It is not a DMC product. Please take
your questions/comments directly to the author, Greg Rodgers.

Thanks.

Nathan Potechin - DMC Publishing
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Category 16,  Topic 24
Message 203       Thu Mar 31, 1994
D.GORDON2 [DENNIS]           at 08:27 EST

I asked about a week ago and got no reply so I'll try again...

Is there a means to capture live video into Calamus, combine the image with a
graphic mask and output to a video printer? The deafening silence hear leads
me to believe that I may have to look elewhere, but I thought I'd ask again.
Thanks....

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