========================================================================= (C) 1993 by Atari Corporation, GEnie, and the Atari Roundtables. May be reprinted only with this notice intact. The Atari Roundtables on GEnie are *official* information services of Atari Corporation. To sign up for GEnie service, call (with modem) 800-638-8369. Upon connection type HHH (RETURN after that). Wait for the U#= prompt.Type XTX99437,GENIE and press [RETURN]. The system will prompt you for your information. ========================================================================== ************ Topic 55 Fri Feb 10, 1989 A.KASHI1 at 22:13 EST Sub: Removable Hard Drives This topic is for discussion of the new removable hard drives for the ST 201 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 1 Tue Feb 23, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 23:55 EST Let's try this again. I am looking for a place with good prices on the 88 meg CARTS. I have seen $100 but was wondering if anyone has seen better and where. Thanks. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 2 Wed Feb 24, 1993 J.DINGA at 19:19 EST What is the current status of support for IOMEGA 90 and 150 meg removeable media drives at ? I would like to get one in the next two months, but would like to know if ICD's new software will talk to the drives properly ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 3 Thu Feb 25, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:41 EST J. Dinga, I have asked Iomega to send one for evaluation (the 150 model), and I will report on how well they work with ICD's software. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 4 Thu Feb 25, 1993 R.MARTIN22 [NETWORK 23] at 21:54 EST Can Syquest 88's read 44's? And can they write to 44's? Live And Direct [9:23 PM-24/Feb/93], Rod Martin, Network 23/ST Connection ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 5 Fri Feb 26, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 00:47 EST Rod, There is a bread out there that can read & write to 44s also. The average 88 can only read them though. From what I hear, there may be an upgrade in the offereing not too long down the road. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 6 Fri Feb 26, 1993 PMC.INC at 22:04 EST Rod, I think Wayne meant breed, unless there's some molded mutant bread out there... ;-) Anyway, the 88's will read 44 carts, we also have 88+'s that will read AND write 44 carts. oscar ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 7 Fri Feb 26, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 22:49 EST Oops! Yeah, breed, that's it. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 8 Sat Feb 27, 1993 J.HAYDEN [JOHN] at 03:20 EST Rod, Syquest 88meg can read the 44meg, but only the new Sysquest 88+ model can WRITE to the 44meg cart. John A. Hayden Friday February 26 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 10 Tue Mar 02, 1993 K.HOUSER [Kevin MQ Def] at 00:43 EST Is there a way to upgrade an 88 mech to an 88+ mech ??? --Kevin ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 11 Tue Mar 02, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 01:30 EST Kevin, Supposedly there may be an upgrade in the works for us. I am waiting of news of one myself. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 12 Tue Mar 02, 1993 J.DINGA at 21:41 EST Al, I would appreciate info as soon as you get the 'bugs' out. But will this apply to the 90 meg units as well? I think the 150 megs are SCSI-2 in design, but could be wrong...ttyl Jon ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 13 Thu Mar 04, 1993 R.MARTIN22 [NETWORK 23] at 01:48 EST Thanks, guys. I don't know if I have a +, but I'll find out soon enough! Live And Direct [12:21 AM-4/Mar/93], Rod Martin, Network 23/ST Connection ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 14 Thu Mar 04, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 19:17 EST Rod, I think the 88+ has a number something like SQ5110C or something like that. The plain one is just SQ5110. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 15 Thu Mar 04, 1993 PEAVEY [Larry] at 21:07 EST Hello! I'm a new STe owner and need some help! I want to purchase a removeable drive and have looked at several syquest 44 and 88 meg drives. I am curious what type of HD port my STe has since it is not SCSI. How do I connect my STe to a drive with a SCSI port? Any other help would be much appreciated! THX Larry M ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 16 Thu Mar 04, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 22:23 EST Larry, You will need what is called a Host Adapter. The only one you should seriously consider is an ICD Host Adapter. They are the best and ICD's software is THE BEST around. There is nothing that can match it. You will also need a power supply and case to put it all in. You can buy the system ready to plug and play so to speak. There are quite a few companies selling them (the 44s & 88s) ready to go. Ask or look in the Commercial Sale topic. I know Lotsa Bytes is running a sale on them. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 17 Thu Mar 04, 1993 PEAVEY [Larry] at 23:21 EST WAyne, Thx for the fast reply!! What is the Ste's port called? Is it a DMA port? This Host Adaptor: Is it a cable? box? I must purchase the adaptor, a power supply & a case to put it it? Does this case include the drive also? Can a drive with a 50 pin connector be connected to the Ste with this adaptor? Does this affect SCSI I.D. 's, etc. (can you tell I'm a new ST user? !!!!!!!!!!! THX again Larry M ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 18 Fri Mar 05, 1993 D.RENNER2 [HONDA] at 00:30 EST Larry, I use a Syquest 44 with the ICD host adapter called "The Link". This adapter allows you to connect any SCSI device (Syquest, CDrom, Floptical) to your DMA port on your machine. All you need in addition to the LINK is a standard DMA cable. The LINK retails for about $110 and is available from ICD or many retailers. I am in agreement with Wayne that ICD host adapters are the best, as is their software to format, partition and boot your drive. ICD has its own area on GEnie on Page 1220, or they are located at: ICD, Inc. 1220 Rock St. (interesting that their address and page # are same) Rockford, Il., 61101-1437 Phone (815) 968-2228 GEMAIL: ICDINC ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 19 Fri Mar 05, 1993 PMC.INC at 01:49 EST Larry M, we sell Syquest drives. Leave me e-mail and I'll be more than happy to give you full details of what will be the best setup for you (and the best price). oscar ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 20 Fri Mar 05, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 05:30 EST The ST/STE/TTs port is called the DMA port. It is Atari's own port and you must have a Host Adapter (in my case it is a circuit board). It just converts the Atari info to SCSI info (or something like that) so that you can run SCSI devices. As HONDA said, you should get the LINK. You can then have a case, power supply and hard drive with an SCSI C50 (?) connector on it. This will allow you to unplug the LINK from the case and then move it to another platform/computer with very little hassle. You can purchase the complete package which includes all of the stuff required. The DMA cable goes to the Host Adapter/converter which then has a 50 pin connection. This does not effect SCSI IDs. As HONDA stated, there is an ICD category that you can get all your answers to as this is getting beyond this topics purpose. Check with your local Atari dealer or check out an Atari (US) magazine for dealers. Most will have what you want/need. There are quite a few and It would be a little hard to list them all here as I am sure I would leave some out. There is a topic in this RT that discusses some dealers and who to look out for and who generally has a good reputation. I can't think of it at the moment. If you find someone to purchase one from, ask in that topic before you purchase as there are some that are not so trustworthy. This is RARE but... ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 21 Fri Mar 05, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 19:14 EST Larry, if the SyQuests that you are looking at are the SyDos ones that have their own case and power supply, then you should get in touch with ICD about getting one of their Link host adapters which will draw its power from the drive and will allow you to chain other SCSI drives without trouble. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 22 Sat Mar 06, 1993 D.GLISH [DAVE GLISH] at 09:14 EST Does anyone know much about the Puma drives. I know they are a regular Syquest drive just in a case. Could they be removed from the case and easily mounted in a internal type drive bay. The reason I ask is that the Puma as a stand alone unit is less expensive than a bare drive. I have a four bay drive case with only one drive in it. I am considering getting a Syquest and might be able to get a good deal on a Puma ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 23 Sat Mar 06, 1993 R.SKYBOY [Rick Wllms] at 10:25 EST Howdy, all-- I have had a SyQuest 44 for over two years now, and have been wondering about something. While I have been pretty happy with its performance, my SyQuest has never gotten much more than 600k/second in transfer speed. Its seek rate is around 30ms. What I'd like to know, are there any utilities to tweak my numbers up a bit? My drive has an ICD host adapter and I am using the latest ICD host software. Also, how long does the clock battery in these things usually last? And how hard are they to fix? Rick ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 24 Sat Mar 06, 1993 EXPLORER.1 [] Ron [] at 21:57 EST Dave, I bought a Puma and replaced the IBM Centronix to SCSI adaptor cable with a 50 pin DIP to SCSI connector and plug it directly into the Atari Falcon030 or TT. Using the ICD Link, it can then be used with ST computers. I still can't figure out why the Puma in a case with power supply is cheaper than a bare drive ;-) I've noticed a recent ad (Computer City, CompUSA) offering a "free cartridge" with the Puma. I don't know if this is an additional cartridge to the one packed with the drive or not. Ron @ Atari Explorer Magazine ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 25 Sun Mar 07, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:43 EST Dave, Puma drives attach to the serial port of PCs. If you take that cable off and work up a standard SCSI cable, you'd probably be OK. But stand-alone SyQuest drives cost about $278 or so (cheapest I've seen). It's hard to believe a Puma drive is that cheap. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 26 Mon Mar 08, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:25 EST I want to add a Syquest 88 to my system. I am now using a Megafile 30 hooked to a 1040Stf. I'd like to know if I can stick The Link host adapter on the output of Megafile or will I have to do away with it? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 27 Tue Mar 09, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 01:58 EST See Flat, If you mean daisy chain the LINK off of the DMA port on the Megafile, then yes you can, IF it has one. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 28 Tue Mar 09, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 02:40 EST Wayne, That's exactly what I meant. The guy at the store where they build the Syquests told me it might not work. I didn't quite understand why but I thought I'd ask here before taking his word for it. He is also selling "THE LINK" for 180$ (Cdn) I think that's high but I'm not sure. if the price is 120$ us by the time it gets here that would be about right. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 29 Tue Mar 09, 1993 ICDINC at 08:42 EST J.B., The US retail is $119.95 so you are not far off. I just found out what the US $ was vs. the CD $. :-( The US dollar has really climbed over the past year. You shouldn't have any problem plugging The Link in the DMA port of the Megafile., - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 30 Tue Mar 09, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:57 EST I have seen the LINK prices a lot lower than $120 US. Shop around. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 31 Tue Mar 09, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 20:30 EST Tom, Thanks. Does any software come with it. Wayne, Maybe I can pick up a used one from someone changing systems and want's to keep his scsi and no longer needs a LINK. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 32 Thu Mar 11, 1993 ICDINC at 09:27 EST The Link ships with our Link software package which includes CD-ROM supporrt, FLoptical support, RM support, etc. Go to the ICD RT (m1220;1) for a complete press release. I have seen USA street prices for as low as $95.00. (Includes DMA cable) - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 33 Fri Mar 12, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 02:33 EST I purchased a LINK soon after they were released and didn't get Link software, just the ICD HA software. Where can I get the Link software? Thanks! ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 34 Fri Mar 12, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 07:21 EST From what I have read in the ICD RT, yes the Link comes with the required ICD software. You should also be able to daisy chain up to a floptical drive as well. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 35 Fri Mar 12, 1993 ICDINC at 09:02 EST Rich, The Link software is only available with the Link or as an update to registered owners. Did you send in your registration card? What version of software did you receive? I believe you should really call our ST tech support guy and allow him to sort this out. 815-968-2228 from 10-2pm CST. Ask for Howard. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 36 Sat Mar 13, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 05:21 EST Thanks Tom, I'll call the number. I didn't get a warantee card. When I bought my Toadfile drive, I asked Toad to give me a Link rather than the ICD H/A. Probably others have too. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 37 Sat Mar 13, 1993 R.SNYDER6 [Roger] at 19:41 EST I have a Syquest cart that I can no longer read, write to, or even format. It takes a long time to come up, then all I get is a flashing green light and sense code $19. It was one of my backup carts, but I have given up the thought of getting any data of it. It would by nice to be able to format it and use it though. Any ideas are welcome. Thanks--Roger ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 38 Sat Mar 13, 1993 J.HAYDEN [JOHN] at 23:11 EST Roger, A sense code of $19 and a flashing green means that the drive is unable to read the defect list table on the cart. In this situation I am not sure that much can be done unless the defect list can be reconstructed otherwise the SyQuest will not allow you to format the cart. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 39 Mon Mar 15, 1993 ICDINC at 08:40 EST Roger, Syguest tech support may be able to fix it for you. I think that they are the only ones (other than the guys in France that they are sueing) that can write the servo tracks to the disk. That is probably your problem. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 40 Tue Mar 16, 1993 R.SKYBOY [Rick Wllms] at 05:25 EST Hello? I wrote a message to this topic about tweaking my SyQuest's performamce. Did it get here, did anybody see it? If not, here it is again. My SyQuest is giving me a 597kb/sec throughput with a 33ms access rate. Id' like to know if it can be made better. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 41 Tue Mar 16, 1993 R.SNYDER6 [Roger] at 18:05 EST Thanks for the replies. I'll get in tough with Syquest and see if they can help me. In thinking about it, I seem to remember that this was the cartridge that I sometimes lost partition info on and kept haveing to have Clean-Up restore it. Maybe the cart is just flakey. --Roger ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 42 Tue Mar 16, 1993 R.SNYDER6 [Roger] at 18:44 EST Those figures look pretty good to me. If you are run a cache you can improve apparent throughput, but of course not actual disk speed. Optimiseing the disk will also help. --Roger ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 43 Tue Mar 16, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 21:18 EST Has anyone had trouble with a scraping (sounds like metal) noise when the cart spins down? Right before it stops completely, I will get this noise. I called Syquest and they said it was normal but, I don't know. After it did it the first time, I ran Cleanup and when it went to map bad sectors, it slowed down and did several rereads on the last partition. There were no bad sectors, it just got slow in the check. Any comments on this? The drive is less than a month old and so is the cart. The cart is the PLI platinum 5 year warantee type. I only have the one cart so it hard to know if it may be the cart. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 44 Tue Mar 16, 1993 SFRT-ASST [Kenne@SFRT] at 21:31 EST They do that sometimes. Drives me crazy but It hasn't died on me. The spindle got dirty once and I took it to the shop; they cleaned it and it was ready the next day. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 45 Wed Mar 17, 1993 D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter] at 00:45 EST Syquest directly sells a spindle/cart hub cleaning kit for $21.95. It _helped_ the noise on a couple of my carts, but did not completely eliminate it. The kit includes a dummy cart with about a dozen cleaning pad inserts, each usable until visibly dirty. Ought to last me a lifetime. :-) Because the noise bothers me batty, I run my Syquest with NO cart in it unless I am going to access it for backups. Doug7 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 46 Wed Mar 17, 1993 J.HAYDEN [JOHN] at 03:22 EST Wayne, There is information about the SyQuest in Atari libraries. My understanding was that a scraping noise during spin down is normal or it could mean that the metal hub on the cart is dirty, not likely . I would retry the cleanup program and map bad sectors thru the SCSI setting instead of thru the BIOS or FAT. This will bypass SOME of the error correction. I would also set the retries at 2 or 3. If I think that the cart is going bad I would try to reformat one more time. The cleanup program is designed to go into slow mode when it finds a marginal sector and stays in the slow mode after a period of time with no more marginal sectors is found and then goes into fast mode. John A. Hayden Wednesday March 17 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 47 Wed Mar 17, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:44 EST Rick, What did you test it with? ICD RATEHD? I'll test mine (two of them) and let you know what I get. ... 505 and 33 on one, 495 and 31 on the other. One is on the TT SCSI bus and one is on an ICD adaptor. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 48 Wed Mar 17, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 03:50 EST My carts have made the metal noise but only if I turn on the the drive when cold with them inserted. Now I boot without the cart and insert it later, do a warm boot and all is fine. Rich ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 49 Wed Mar 17, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 13:37 EST Wayne, Yes, I get that sound now and then. I have two SyQuest drives, and the older one behaves perfectly all the time and has never had a problem with a cart. (I have quite a few carts.) The newer SyQ has been misbehaving, and makes that metallic sound most of the time. I can't do without my SyQuests, even for a few weeks, so I am going to order a replacement (I've seen them for about $280) and then send this one back. When it's replaced, I'll have three SyQuest drives, which will let me back up my HDs and the other two without a worry. I use a StudioFile case, which is very classy, along with a Toadfile combo HD- SyQ unit. I'll have to try the SyQ cleaning kit. One problem that I face is that ICD's software retries disk accesses 10 times, and usually completes its attempts, but on a platter with thousands of files, a full copy can take hours, with all the retries. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 50 Wed Mar 17, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 19:34 EST John, Thanks. Yeah, it goes into slow mode alreight and stays there for a long time. It will finally speed back up near the end. What would mapping bad sectors through the SCSI do on a cart? I figured that should only be used on fixed drives. I thought about reformatting but have yet to do it. Al, I also have the StudioFile case. It is a very nice case. I had to put a cookie sheet (cut to fit) under my power supply in mine though because it interfered with the drive in the top bay. It would give me all kinds of bad sectors. I tied the cookie sheet to the case ground and all is well now. This Syquest is less than a month old. From what I read hear, it must be normal for some to do this. It just makes my skin crawl when I hear it though. I am not used to hearing that from a HD. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 51 Thu Mar 18, 1993 J.HAYDEN [JOHN] at 03:52 EST Al, I am getting the same numbers as you, 505 and 33 on my TT. With my Maxtor 213meg I am getting 1025 and 22. Wayne, I have three fixed drives and the slow mode should last only about a minute or less usually 30 seconds or so. You should use the SCSI mapping if the drive controller can do sector resignment. The point is to map out marginal sectors because they can cause problems in the future. I am getting the feeling that maybe your cart is not good. The ICD format program checks for bad sectors on the SyQuest thru the SCSI controller and you should do the same with the cleanup program on the SyQuest. I am using the Cutting Edge case on my SyQuest. Take care! John A. Hayden Thursday March 18 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 52 Thu Mar 18, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 06:57 EST Wayne, Tell me more about the cookie-sheet shield. Sounds like I should do the same. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 53 Thu Mar 18, 1993 J.HICKEY6 at 10:15 EST Al, Disk Drive Depot in Sunnyvale CA(1-408-738-3895) has the SQ555 44MB units(factory refurbished) for $139.00(minimum order 2 units). BTW, I get 507 and 31(TT DMA & BMS 200) on my Syquest which is a new unit replacing my older defective one(which gave a flashing green LED). Replaced at no charge by Syquest in Fremont just yesterday. John, I get 1250 and 15 with my Fujitsu 680meg. But---I saw a Maxtor 1.2meg 8msec(could be related to its 256k cache) unit at Disk Drive Depot for $1300. It also spins at 6300RPM!!!! Can the Atari ST/TT platforms and/or host adapters handle that? Does anyone know how to facilitate interchange of files from DOS to TOS using Syquest cartridges? I can read sectors from DOS formatted Syquests, but can't read the directory. I want to PKZIP large databases(>100meg) onto 44's, and then ST-unZIP them to my Fujitsu. Jack ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 54 Thu Mar 18, 1993 FB [ST Librarian] at 19:13 EST Jack, I format my SyQuest carts on an IBM all the time and use them on both the ST and IBM. The formatter is not the standard IBM format but a utility that came with the DTC SCSI controller board that drives the SyQuest when it is hooked to that machine. Fred Beckman P.S. I only get 497 and 34 with the Syquest. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 55 Thu Mar 18, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 19:55 EST Al, All you do is go to the store and buy you one of those thin disposable cookie sheets (actually any type of aluminum sheet will do even foil) and cut it out the size of the brace under the power supply. then cut holes to match the standoff post for the power supply and slide it down over it. You can then attach a wire to it and attach the other end to the case ground (a screw on the back of the unit next to the power plug). Reinstall the power supply and you are ready to go. Should take care of any problems you might would (or do) have. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 56 Thu Mar 18, 1993 L.BUDNICK [Lorne] at 21:50 EST Al, I'm getting 505K/s and 32ms on my SCSI SyQuest SQ555, and I am getting 1111K/s and 22ms on my Quantum LP105S. This is on a TT using Atari HD software. Both drives are SCSI attached, the Quantum is internal and the SyQuest attached to my external SCSI port. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 57 Fri Mar 19, 1993 J.SAFFER [JASON SAFFER] at 01:06 EST How can I run a speed test on my Syquest if I don't have an icd host adaptor?. I do use Atari software to boot, etc. but couldn't find anything in the Atari software to run the speed tests. - Jason Saffer Hercules, California Thursday, March 18, 1993 10:02 pm ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 58 Fri Mar 19, 1993 G.FUHRMAN [gnox] at 03:41 EST Rick, I saw your message, but don't know the answer to your question ... maybe nobody else does either! gnox ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 59 Fri Mar 19, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:44 EST Jack, Thanks -- I'll call them and order two. One will come in handy as a spare, or maybe I'll just add it to the mix. What I really should be doing is putting a VLSI (very large stupendously immense) hard disk in the TT drive bay, to replace the spunky little 50-megger in there now. Any SCSI drive can be handled by the TT, BTW. The cache or rpm has no bearing on the SCSI bus. ICD has a little note about DOS-formatted drives. Let me dig it out... - ICDBOOT now recognizes hard disks formatted and partitioned with MS-DOS and FDISK on a PC. This should simplify the transfer of files between PCs and STs using removable media (SyQuest, etc.) much easier. NOTE: (a) although reading and writing MS-DOS partitions is supported, most of the ICD utilities will not work with MS-DOS partitions. (b) very large DOS partitions have too many data clusters, which confuses TOS, so some DOS partitions will not be entered into the drive tables and will not be useable. Wayne, Lorne and all: Thanks for the help, Wayne, and thanks for the HD times, guys. There are some FAST drives out there in STs and TTs! Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 60 Fri Mar 19, 1993 J.HAYDEN [JOHN] at 04:15 EST Jack, I can format the SyQuest cart under MS DOS 5 and I have no problems reading and WRITING to a IBM format cart. You use the FDISK first under DOS to make one DOS partition and then use the format command under MS DOS 5 and my friend IBM machine have no trouble reading the files I put on the cart on my TT thru the SCSI port. I hope that this helps. The only problem I found so far is that I loose about 3meg under IBM format as compare to the ICD format and I should add that I have no problems reading my friend PS files made on the IBM thru my TT. I kind of find that great! Jack, I believe that you are talking about the Maxtor 1.2 giga drive and that is a 5.25 inch full height drive and it is one of the biggest drives I have seen. You need a external case with a good size power supply to drive it. John A. Hayden Friday March 19 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 61 Fri Mar 19, 1993 ICDINC at 07:16 EST Our RATEHD.PRG is the standard program that people are using to test their hard drives. It is not really a very good benchmarking program but should only be used for comparing different drives. RATEHD does not go through TOS nor your hard disk driver so it will give the same result regardless which driver you are using. Caches obviously also do not affect the results. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 62 Fri Mar 19, 1993 J.HICKEY6 at 10:44 EST John, mega/giga, what's a few bytes among friends? Sounds like the SyQuest solution is at hand. Now all I need is that stupendous(even Chris at BMS says it's the best) ICD software to replace HDX 5, or-r-r, maybe Atari has upgraded HDX to support IBM formatted HD's. Hello, Atari, are you there? Jack ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 63 Fri Mar 19, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:23 EST Jason, I have a lot of utilities for hard drives. I'll see which ones will work to test a non-ICD setup (if any...) Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 64 Sat Mar 20, 1993 ICDINC at 07:30 EST Jack, YOu should also be aware that we sell a package called ICD SCSI Pro Utilites which runs on most other SCSI host adapters, TT, Falcon, ST Book, etc. I think the retail is around $50 and it includes Cleanup ST. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 65 Sat Mar 20, 1993 POTECHIN [Nathan] at 09:30 EST That's great news Tom. Thanks for posting. I want one. ;-) Nathan@DMC ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 66 Sat Mar 20, 1993 JKUEHN [John] at 10:13 EST All, I'm getting 398K/s and 32ms on the new 88 mb extra drive that reads and writes 44's. That's with a 44 mb cart in it. ICD AdSCSI ver 6.07 and ST ver 2.06. I'm able to read and write to Syquest removable 44's formatted MS DOS with Sydos software on a PC. However, I have noticed a disasterous problem. Specifically, when I format with MSDOS into one large 44 meg partition, and write to the disk from TOS, at a certain point (don't know whether its number of files or amount of data), writing to the platter WIPES the DIRECTORY by overwriting it with non directory garbage. Sometimes it kills the root directory sometimes a sub-directory gets clobbered. And not the directory that was currently being written to. It seems to happen when a platter gets full to a certain point. Looks like around the 32 meg point. Reading MS-DOS files is no problem in Tos-land and reading TOS files on an IBM is also fully compatable. But when the disk gets close to being full (>32 Meg) writing from TOS kills it. I hope this information saves someone a headache. John Kuehn ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 67 Sat Mar 20, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 12:49 EST John, I get over 900K/s & 28ms on my 88. Also, the problem with directories getting wiped may be due to a 44 meg partition is BGM and you will probably have to set it up as BGM in your ICD booter. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 68 Sat Mar 20, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 23:03 EST Thanks, John. Have you told ICD of this? Or do you have your ICD sector-size marked properly? Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 69 Sun Mar 21, 1993 PMC.INC at 15:04 EST John, you're running into a 32 MB limit. I also tried getting a gig drive to work, it's a no go unless the partitions are 32 MB or smaller. Partition it into 2 partitions. oscar ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 70 Mon Mar 22, 1993 R.SKYBOY [Rick Wllms] at 18:54 EST Wayne-- I get scraping sounds occasionally, but not at any predictable time. I had one disk go bad with LOTS of scraping sounds and very slow disk reads for bad sectors. I traced my trouble to a bad connection on my CPU, which I suspect was screwing with my disk controller. If you only were going to buy one disk, why did you get a SyQuest? Just curious, a 44meg conventional disk woulda been a lot cheaper. Al: Yes, I used ICD's RATEHD.PRG. My figures are actually 497k throughput and 31-33ms seek rate, so looks like we are quite alike. Thanks for the test! BTW, I use an ICD adaptor. Tom--Thanks for the info. What test program would you recommend if RATEHD is not a very good benchmarking program? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 71 Tue Mar 23, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 00:28 EST Rick, Do you ask because you don't know why people buy removable cart drives or do you want to know why at this particular point in time I only have the one cart? Who said ANYTHING about only buying the one cart? I don't even remember stating that in my message. RATEHD.PRG is a very good benchmark as it gives the drive's ACTUAL rate instead of an inflated one. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 72 Tue Mar 23, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:43 EST Thanks, Rick. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 73 Tue Mar 23, 1993 ICDINC at 08:15 EST Rick and Wayne, I don't think RATEHD is a good benchmark program. It is good for comparing two drives side by side. But not for getting an accurate representation of how your drive would work in your system. There may not be a "good" benchmark for the Atari ST although there is a bunch of good software in Germany that we are not fully aware of. A good benchmark program should include DOS overhead when testing and also show the effects of caching. RATEHD does not take the driver's speed into account since it bypasses the HD driver. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 74 Wed Mar 24, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:43 EST A quick note to all who frequent this topic: I ordered two SyQuest 44-meg drive mechanisms from Disk Drive Depot today, with delivery by 2nd day air. They were $139 each. The folks there said they were the last two in stock. They're refurbished, with a 90-day warranty, instead of the two-year warranty on new SyQuests, but the price was too attractive to pass up. They have a lot of other refurbished drives in stock. Disk Drive Depot Sunnyvale, CA 408 738-3895 Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 75 Wed Mar 24, 1993 WAYNED. [Wayne] at 20:11 EST Let us know how they work out Al. I bought a refurbed drive as my first HD on my Atari 800 with ICD MIO board. It lasted about 30 days and they didn't want to hear about taking it back. (i.e. no warranty) It wasn't from the place you ordered yours and after my experience I started hearing other horror stories about the place I bought mine. For the life of me I can't recall the name of the place, but it was a relatively big on in California back around 1984 or so. Wayne ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 76 Wed Mar 24, 1993 J.HAYDEN [JOHN] at 22:51 EST Tom, Do you think that the RATEHD is a good benchmark for comparing drives on different ATARI setups? For example, if someone have better rates on the Mega than the drive I am using on my TT will the Mega drive show better real word results than the drive I am using on the TT? Is there any plans for ICD to support IBM format disks greater than 32meg like the SyQuest? John A. Hayden Wednesday March 24 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 77 Thu Mar 25, 1993 ICDINC at 07:10 EST John, No, it is not a good benchmark for that because you will probably be using different driver software on the two different computers. If you are both using ICD drivers of the same vintage and same cache settings then it may be OK as a benchmark. Presently we support 32 Meg IBM partitions. YOu can use two of these on a Syquest 44 Meg cartridge and then it can be fully compatible. Supporting larger partition compatibility requires a major kludge. I am not aware of any plans at this time. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 78 Sat Mar 27, 1993 R.SKYBOY [Rick Wllms] at 22:50 EST Wayne-- I retract my thoughtless question. When I get into a good session with Aladdin, I read messages and rap off replies on the spur of seconds, without putting much thought into it. Sorry. Rick Tom, Thanks for the info. Although I read a little German, I might have trouble using German software. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 79 Sat Mar 27, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 23:40 EST Rick, No problem. Just wanted to clear it up. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 80 Tue Apr 06, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 21:46 EDT Help! I've been thinking about adding a Syquest to my system and don't quite know how to go about doing it. (I don't quite know enough yet to be dangerous...) I've presently got an 80meg Seagate housed in a 2-bay under-the-monitor case w/ power supply and ICD hardware. The case will hold a second HD, and it appears to have the wiring for a second drive (there's a big ol' ribbon cable w/ an open plug, and what appears to be a second power cable). NOW... if I got a Syquest stand-alone drive, could I use an ICD Link cable to go from the "DMA" port on back of my current HD case to the Syquest? Would that make the path from the Syquest to computer too long? How long is too long? OR, would it be possible to get a Syquest mechanism and pop it into my current case? In that case, is there some sort of A/B switch I can buy that will let me choose between the Syquest being connected to my computer or to a synth? In EITHER case, how do I change the device ID number on the Syquest? And I seem to remember hearing something about "terminating resistors..." What is that and what do I do about that? Is that something I could easily do to my existing hard drive? Finally, if I somehow modify my existing HD (e.g. terminating resistors), can I still use it even if I take the Syquest off-line to use with the synth? Is there anything else I should know? Sorry for the long post. But thanks in a big way in advance for any and all help... you guys have got to talk me through this one! --Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 81 Wed Apr 07, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:09 EDT Gerry, The SyQ will pop right into the drive bay. It must be a different SCSI ID than the other drive, and it must be terminated. The Seagate is terminated now; all you need to do is use the same terminating resistors and switch them to the SyQuest. I keep adding and taking out SCSI drives on my system all the time, since I test and review them. It's easy. If the Seagate is SCSI 0 (probably is), the SyQ can be SCSI 1. The plastic jumper goes either in the first slot or the second; I've seen both positions used for SCSI 1 on SyQ units. All you need to do is run the ICD boot util and set it to poll all SCSI addresses, and then see what it shows when it does. It will tell you what ID each one has. I don't know about a switch to let you use the drive on two different systems. Maybe someone else has tried that. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 82 Wed Apr 07, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 09:06 EDT AL -- Thanks a lot for the help! Sounds pretty simple to me. Lemme back up one question: *COULD* I use an ICD Link and the DMA port of my existing HD to go to a self-contained Syquest, or will that make the cable too long? I ask because, if this "source switch" doesn't exist, I'll have to get a stand- alone Syquest, and manually switch the cables from the computer to the synth. If the Syquest is in the Seagate case, I won't be able to do that. Just thought of that this morning... Again thanks! -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 83 Wed Apr 07, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:25 EDT Gerry, There should be no problems running the Link off of the existing DMA port on the HD. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 84 Wed Apr 07, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 22:07 EDT Thanks for the help you guys! Between you and Oscar at PMC, I've finally got enough info to be dangerous. I'm ordering a Syquest from PMC tomorrow. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 85 Thu Apr 08, 1993 S.KIEPE [Steve@CNOTES] at 00:02 EDT Gerry, Adding a second drive is relatively easy. If you already have a ribbon cable with an unused plug, that will plug in directly to the new drive, just make sure the cable is properly aligned (look for the red end). To change the scsi ID on a syquest, look for a group of small copper pins on the back end of the drive, arranged in pairs (fore and aft)- I think 4 sets but not sure. There should be a black plastic connector on just one of the pins, not a set of 2 - at least that is typical for an ID of 0. Put this connector on the first 2 pins to the left, oriented fore and aft, that changes the ID to 1. Now, as to the terminating resistor. On the syquest, look for a set of black, yellow, or blue long shiny looking ceramic pieces of material, oriented from left to right across the back of the drive (along the width axis). They should appear to be connected by many small pins at the bottom, around 8 pins or so (if you can even see the pins). Those are the terminating resistors. You want to remove them from the drive in the middle of the cable, but they must remain installed on the drive on the end. That's it... just enter the ICD format program, choose the drive (if you get this far and it doesn't register, you have hooked it up wrong) and then format and partition as desired. Make sure you don't wipe out your good drive though! Hope this helps, I've done it several times without difficulty. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 86 Thu Apr 08, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 21:14 EDT Thanks, Steve -- EXTREMELY helpful information. I've saved a copy of your post for not-too-distant future reference (I ordered the Syquest; should be here next week). I appreciate it. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 87 Fri Apr 09, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:25 EDT Gerry, Sure, that should work OK. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 88 Fri Apr 16, 1993 J.MORRISON38 [~ Jimmo ~] at 01:12 EDT My Atari dealer has one of the new SYQUEST 105-meg removables installed in a PC clone; only the IDE version is available so far. He has not received the SCSI version yet. I've been thinking about one of the new 88C drives that read and write 44 and 88 meg carts (but don't format 44's!), but now I may reconsider. This 105 looks great! I sat down and tinkered with it for a while, and I was impressed. 3.5" mounting; quiet; fast; nice small cartridges; (Sorry, I have no actual specs). I want one!!! (along with...) ~ Jimmo ~ ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 89 Fri Apr 16, 1993 ICDINC at 08:49 EDT We have the SCSI version. IT is very fast. DOes he have prices yet? - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 90 Fri Apr 16, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 19:54 EDT Will the current ICD host adaptors and software that is available here on GEnie support the new SyQuests? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 91 Sat Apr 17, 1993 D.D.MARTIN [Swampy] at 01:44 EDT TOM Z - Yes. I use an ICD host adaptor on my 44meg Syquest and format all my cartridges with the ICD format utilities. BTW Diamond Edge also works well on my carts. Hugs...Swampy ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 92 Sat Apr 17, 1993 T.ZENTHOEFE1 [Tom Z.] at 08:14 EDT Swampy, I was taking about whether or not the current host adapters and software would work with the new 3.5" SyQuest drives. Currently I have a SyQuest 88 along with an Adaptec 4070 with two Seagate RLLs coming off of an ICD host adapter. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 93 Sat Apr 17, 1993 D.D.MARTIN [Swampy] at 21:22 EDT TOM Z -- Oh, okay. I thought it was just a general quesiton about ICD stuff working with the Syquest. %^) Hugs...Swampy ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 94 Tue Apr 27, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 21:23 EDT WOW! I recently ordered a Syquest 88 mail order and it, like everone else's, arrived without a manual of any sort. Called the folks at Syquest, who said that they'd send one out right away. "Right!" I thought. It arrived today, only a week later. No charge. THAT'S what I call customer support. Way to go Syquest! -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 95 Wed Apr 28, 1993 R.MARTIN22 [NETWORK 23] at 00:50 EST GERRY: I have the same story to tell. I bought my Syquest 44 from ABCO, which came with no manual. One call to Syquest and I had a manual within a week. ------------------------------- + ON-AIR [11:28 PM-27/Apr/93] + ------------------------------- + LIVE AND DIRECT + ROD MARTIN, NETWORK 23 SOFTWARE ------------------------------- ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 96 Wed Apr 28, 1993 ICDINC at 06:40 EDT Tom, YEs, we work fine with the new SQ3105S. It is really a nice drive as well. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 97 Mon May 03, 1993 JLS [John STanley] at 02:47 EDT Anyone hear of a source for the new SyQuest 105meg (scsi) drives and/or media? Also, anyone know of a good source for the 120meg or 650meg optical WARM drives and/or media? Finaly, Tom, what's the current cost to upgrade from the regular ICD software or the Link software to the current ICD-Pro software? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 98 Mon May 03, 1993 ICDINC at 07:56 EDT JLS. ICD SCSI Pro isn't really an upgrade from our other software so there isn't an upgrade plan. The purpose is for TT or Falcon owners or owners of oddball host adapters. The retail is $49.95. I am sure it is discounted somewhere. - TOM - PS Try Toad or PMC for the Syquest drives. According to Syquest, they are available. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 99 Mon May 03, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 23:44 EDT >JLS [John STanley] at 02:47 EDT > > Anyone hear of a source for the new SyQuest 105meg (scsi) drives and/or >media? John -- I've seen 105 meg carts in an OFFICE supply discount store, no less. (I'm in Minneapolis.) Didn't notice the price, tho. Sorry. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 100 Tue May 04, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:04 EDT John, There is a WORM drive but, there are also the optical drives that you can write to just like a regualr hard drive. Look in Computer Shopper. The drives are EXPENSIVE but, the media cost is REAL cheap. SOmething like $60 for 120 meg. The magazines are saying that Opticals are the way to go and they will be the storage of the future. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 101 Fri May 07, 1993 L.MCCLURE at 22:21 EDT G.LEONE [Gerry]: I've seen an ad in AmigaWorld by one of the advertisers there (easy to find if you want the contact info), and in Computer Shopper (hard to find...I didn't mark the page in that 800+ page monster). ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 102 Sat May 08, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 20:53 EDT >L.MCCLURE at 22:21 EDT >I've seen an ad in AmigaWorld by one of the advertisers there (easy to find L -- Thanks for the info, but... uh... why ME? I just BOUGHT an 88 meg SyQ. There was someone here who wondered if the 105 Meg units and carts were out yet. But thanks! -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 103 Mon May 10, 1993 JLS [John STanley] at 21:19 EDT G.LEONE [Gerry], >John -- I've seen 105 meg carts in an OFFICE supply discount store, no >less. (I'm in Minneapolis.) Didn't notice the price, tho. Sorry. Since I'm in Minneapolis too, this sounds very interesting. can you recall which office supply store? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 104 Tue May 11, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 22:55 EDT >JLS [John STanley] at 21:19 EDT > Since I'm in Minneapolis too, this sounds very interesting. can you recall >which office supply store? Greetings to a fellow Minneapolitan! I saw the 105 meg carts at Computer City -- about 78th and France in Edina. I'm not sure if that's the only Computer City in town or not. Office Max (formerly Biz Mart) stocks the 44 and 88 megs, but I haven't seen the 105s there. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 105 Wed May 12, 1993 D.OWENS at 23:11 EDT John Dirt Cheap Drives had 105 meg cart listed in May Computer Shopper for "Cartridge Qty 1/Qty 5 $99/$90, and the bare IDE drive for $599.00. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 106 Tue May 18, 1993 PMC.INC at 02:02 EDT Too bad the ST line doesn't work with IDE's, eh? oscar ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 107 Tue May 18, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 22:39 EDT Here's a quick question looking for an easy answer: I just bought an 88 meg SyQuest that has a pushbutton SCSI number selector on back, and jumpers inside. The pushbutton SCSI selector doesn't seem to affect anything. No matter what number is showing in the window my STe (with ICD software) always seems to recognize the SyQuest only as SCSI 1 (it's the 2nd of 2 hard drives). Not that I'm gonna screw around with it (it *IS* working, after all)... but what am I missing or doing wrong? -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 108 Wed May 19, 1993 ICDINC at 10:38 EDT Gerry, THey probably didn't connect the pushbotton switch (the drive assemblers). There is usually a common wire and 3 id wires. They connect to the 3 ID jumper blocks. The common goes to the ground side of the jumper blocks (one side of all will be tied to ground) and the ID wires go to the other side of the jumper blocks on the appropriate terminal. Good luck. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 109 Wed May 19, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 22:05 EDT Thanks for the info, Tom. I'll have to poke around inside and take a look. Not that I understood a word you said, mind you... -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 110 Sun Jul 04, 1993 D.GILLOGLY1 [FunkyKitchen] at 16:08 EDT Hi all, I'm in the market for a removable HD. I want to run it with my Mega4STE and my EPS 16+ (sampler). Who has the best prices? I've heard the Syquest is the one to get. Are there any others I should look into? Tanx In Advance. Be Back Soonly. == -- FunkyDan -- == ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 111 Mon Jul 05, 1993 F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 19:56 EDT FunkyDan, I sure love my Syquest (Toadfile 44). They have a newer system than mine that reads 88 and 44 meg cartidges, I'd sure look in to this one. I got my system through Toad Computers and am completely saftisfied. Pick up a copy of ST Informer, Current Notes and check out the ads for the best deal and give 'em a call. I can't comment on any other systems, as this is the only one I have. Regards, Frank PS, You might drop E-Mail to S.WINICK from Computer Studio in NC and I'm sure he will be most helpful. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 112 Mon Jul 05, 1993 DABRUMLEVE [kidprgs] at 20:12 EDT I too have been absolutely completely satisfied with my Syquest Toadfile. It was a lot more expensive than the one my husband picked up, but his has been very unreliable. Mine has been perfect! ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 113 Mon Jul 05, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 21:25 EDT They also have one that will read AND write to 88 and 44s. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 114 Mon Jul 05, 1993 R.COOPER2 [Rob] at 21:36 EDT FunkyDan... I'm currently using a SyQuest 44meg removable HD on my 1040 ST... I love it... As for your situation... There are 88meg capacity drives out, which might be better in your situation. Also, if you want to run it off both your STe and EPS 16+, do yourself a favour and grab the ICD Link Adaptor (ASCSI->SCSI), and a SCSI drive... Your EPS has a SCSI port, so if you get a Hard Drive with a DMA port (Atari's HD port), you won't be able to use it with the sampler. The Link is an external adaptor that plug in-line between the computer and the hard drive. Also, ICD's software is the best on the market (IMO). As for other manufacturer's, the only other suggestion I'd make is Dynatek... they are a Canadian HD manufacturer, and make some of the most rugged drives I've seen... If you plan on using your EPS for gigs, Dynatek make a line of rugged, rack-mounted HD in a number of configurations (including 44/88meg Removable Media). If you would like more info, I've got some of their pamphlets here somewhere. I could email you specs, etc. I know this wasn't much, but I hope it helps. Rob ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 115 Tue Jul 06, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 05:05 EDT There is also the 105 meg 3.5" removable cart. drives from Syquest. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 116 Tue Jul 06, 1993 K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT] at 22:00 EDT There's mention of a new technology on the horizon. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 117 Tue Jul 06, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 22:44 EDT Danny -- If this helps you decide on size, a blank 88 meg cartridge holds about 172,000 sample "blocks." I've got a little over 130 samples and i've only got about 32,000 blocks of free space on my cart. Doing what I'm doing would be impossible with a 44 meg cart, and I feel that 105 megs would be overkill for the Atari. Now that it's working, I absolutely love it. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 118 Tue Jul 13, 1993 PMC.INC at 01:43 EDT D.GILLOGLY1: We've got a special on 105 mb drives: $499 for the mech, $79 for the case, $79 for the carts. Call me we have them in stock. oscar @ pmc 206-399-8700 ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 119 Tue Jul 13, 1993 ICDINC at 09:02 EDT That is a good deal. Most of the IDE versions are selling around there. The SCSI version costs about $75 more. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 120 Fri Aug 20, 1993 SESCHNEIDER at 00:09 EDT Hi Folks, I'm new to the Syquest--just bought a PLI 88 meg mechanism along with the Link. I'm very happy except I don't know how to keep the access speed up as the partitions get full. Unfortunately I'm still in the stone ages, on a Mega ST with Tos 1.2, so I've got slow hard disk access. I use Fatcache for my regular hard drive, but it warns against using it with a removable. What are the alternatives? Also, any suggestions about other handy Auto folder/CPX programs I ought to have for the Syquest would be appreciated. Thanks! Steve Schneider ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 121 Fri Aug 20, 1993 S.DEITZ [Steve] at 04:25 EDT Nice choice, I'm sure you'll ove it. I recommend putting FMC (Force Media Change) in your AUTO folder. This prevents wiping out the FAT when you change carts. I don't think it's needed w/ the ICD utils, but it's a *tiny* program so it never hurts :) ----STEVE---- ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 122 Fri Aug 20, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:47 EDT Steve, This isn't the advice you wanted, but I suggest upgrading to TOS 2.06. The new desktop itself will make you very happy, and of course the newer TOS will get rid of the problems you are having with the hard-drive access. CodeHead sells a TOS 2.06 upgrade kit. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 123 Fri Aug 20, 1993 F.LAWRENCE2 [FRANK] at 20:06 EDT Steve, The more you put on and take off of your partitions can create a lot of fragmemted files. Do you use a de-fragmenter or optimizer program to de- fragment you hard drives? Frank ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 124 Fri Aug 20, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 20:36 EDT FMC? Is that PD or shareware? Can you send it up here? Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 125 Fri Aug 20, 1993 SESCHNEIDER at 21:57 EDT Wow! Thanks for all the quick replies! As regards fragmenting, I don't think that's the problem, because I am seeing the problem as I transfer files to the Syquest for the first time. I believe this is just the old Atari problem of a slow FAT lookup routine. Is the FMC program compatible with usalso running Fatchaache or Fatspeed? I know I should upgrade, but I'm pretty happy with my current TOS since I also run Neodesk. Isn't there anyone else out there with old TOS and a Syquest? ---Steve ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 126 Sat Aug 21, 1993 R.SNYDER6 [Roger S.] at 00:04 EDT Steve, I've used a Syquest (44) for several years, mostly with TOS 1.2 and with 1.4 for a while now. I used FatSpeed and ICD's chache. I thought the hard disk access was quite fast (much quicker than the IBM clone at work). I did keep an eye on the partitions when they got real full and de-fragmented them often. I never have a problem switching carts, the ICD software senses the switch, though I only do it at the desktop. I guess some of the newer hard disks a pretty quick, but I never thought the ST/ICD/Syquest combo was a slouch. oger S. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 127 Sat Aug 21, 1993 O.CONTRERAS1 [Olivo] at 00:06 EDT Steve: I'm running a 1040STF with TOS 1.2 and a Syquest 44 meg removeable hard drive. Fatspeed works flawlessly on my system. Give it a try. Olivo ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 128 Sat Aug 21, 1993 K.ESTES [Kenne@SFRT] at 01:15 EDT Get TOS 1.4. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 129 Sat Aug 21, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 08:24 EDT Steve, Even going to TOS 1.4 will make things much better. The disk access difference is quite noticable. I also suggest a good Optimizer program. HD Sentry is nice and Oregon Research sells Diamond Edge which I have heard is nice also. Force Media Change is a good suggestion. I got it a long time ago to fix my problem with Drive A being buffered and needed a fresh copy of the directory. It also works with your HD. It is in the libraries here. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 130 Sat Aug 21, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 09:28 EDT Go to 2.06. Skip 1.04. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 131 Tue Aug 24, 1993 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 00:36 EDT Has anyone experience with the PLI 105M removable syquest drive? Sanjay. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 132 Tue Aug 24, 1993 ICDINC at 08:48 EDT I have experience with the Syquest 105 3.5 inch mechanism. It is a fantastic drive. I assume PLI put their case on it and it is still a great product. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 133 Wed Aug 25, 1993 S.AGARWAL [SANJAY] at 23:31 EDT Tom, Is the 105M syquest significantly faster than the 44M/88M drives in daily use (real) terms? Sanjay. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 134 Thu Aug 26, 1993 ICDINC at 09:13 EDT Sanjay, IT is a minimum 30% faster. The unit I tested ran around 900 K/sec. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 135 Sat Aug 28, 1993 SESCHNEIDER at 21:44 EDT Roger, Olivo: Do you know if there's any difference between Fatcache and Fatspeed? Fatcache claims to be an improved version, but warns against use with removable media, while Fatspeed wais probably too old to have anticipated such a warning. I'm guessing that forcing a media change prevents the problem that Fatcache warned about. (I'm guessing that the old FAT could be kept in memory when a new disk is inserted, which isn't a problem for me since I only have one disk so far!) Anyone know if ICD utilities force the media change independent of this AUTO program? ---Steve ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 136 Sat Aug 28, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 23:21 EDT Steve, ICD's software will detect a media change on the removables and flash the Media Change message in the upper right hand corner of the screen when another cart is installed. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 137 Sun Aug 29, 1993 PMC.INC at 17:11 EDT 105's are awesome. We just sold our last one (the ones that were on sale for $499), I highly recommend them... oscar @ pmc ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 138 Sun Aug 29, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 21:09 EDT >R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 23:21 EDT > > ICD's software will detect a media change on the removables and flash the >Media Change message in the upper right hand corner of the screen when another >cart is installed. Wayne -- are you talking about the ICD boot software? If so, I'm using 6.0.8 (admittedly not the latest) and it doesn't do that. Does v 6.2.0 ? Or am I misunderstanding you altogether? -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 139 Sun Aug 29, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 23:55 EDT Gerry, ICD's booter software has been able to detect a media change on removable drives for awhile now. I use 6.0.6 now with an AdSCSI ST (the one without the clock). When I change carts. or take out the one I have in and put it back in, it will give me the Media Change message. You can also use the ICD AdSCSI CPX to RELOG Hard Drives and it will reread all the drives and even bring online drives that were not there before. If I bootup without a cart. in the drive and then later on stick in a cart., I can use the CPX to bring the cart. online and have access to the partitions. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 140 Mon Aug 30, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 20:36 EDT Thanks for the info, Wayne -- I've never seen that "media change" message, but then maybe it's because I use my SyQuest drive as my second drive (partitions H - L), with an ICD Link. I'm familiar with the ICD CPX for detecting new partitions. I use that, plus ICD's HDUTIL.PRG (which scans for new drives upon being run). Thanks! -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 141 Tue Aug 31, 1993 M.PAULI [Small Mike] at 08:56 EDT I'm using for a while now the Floptical (PLI) as a removable HD... Things work quite well but I always wanted to re-partition the floptical discs which was not possible so far. A new software from ICD was supposed to allow that but when I tested my set- up by using ICDFM606.PRG to re-partition a disc the new format was not recognized, no matter what sizes I tried. Only the default format of one partition of 20.8 Megs was recognized but that I had already before...:-( Did anybody successfully use the new ICD pro-utilities yet for this purpose? I'm running TOS 1.4 on a 520 STFM (4meg); ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 142 Tue Aug 31, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 23:57 EDT Small Mike - I had good success with the LINK software from ICD. I have partitioned one floptical into four and another into a 5 meg boot and and 15 meg storage area. I have since moved up to the Pro version but have not tried it with the floptical. With the link you get to choose an Atari format that allows auto- boot and partitioning or a standard format that can be read by CLONES and others, with no boot capability. As always, if you have trouble with ICD call Howard. He writes the programs, he has the answers. Just be aware that the longer you keep him on the phone, the longer between upgrades to the fine ICD programs. =-= Grouch (:{ =-= ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 143 Wed Sep 01, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 01:38 EDT Gerry, You'll see the media change msg any time you switch carts during a session. Guaranteed. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 144 Wed Sep 01, 1993 M.PAULI [Small Mike] at 09:53 EDT Grouch, Thanks for your remarks here...which is not quite the ICD-topic...but I didn't yet figure out how to reply in a topic where there were no messages d/l yet...back to the manual-I guess...:-) I used the pro-prg from ICD (ICDFMT606.PRG) but no luck...it formated & partitioned but TOS did not recognize the ATARI-formats if there were more than one partition...well...I'll bug Howard !! Mike ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 145 Wed Sep 01, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 21:42 EDT Wow... I'll have to look for that media change message, Al. I honestly have never seen it. But then, I think I've always run either ICD's HDUTIL.PRG or their CPX before accessing the disk. (I'm so good...) I'll watch for it. Thanks. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 146 Wed Sep 01, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 21:59 EDT Small Mike - Aladdin is a great program, I surly do miss it on the Falcon. To reply to a topic that nobody has spoken in, but which you have in your topic list is fairly easy. Simply click the topic button, find the topic in your topic list and press "R" for reply. You will be given a blank message screen to write your reply to the topic on. You can even do this when you are not reading a topic by selecting "Mark/Reply Old Topic" from the pull down Roundtable menu. Aladdin is really a nice program. I want it I want it I want it on the Falcon! =-= Grouch (:{ =-= ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 147 Thu Sep 02, 1993 ICDINC at 12:57 EDT Small Mike, The current version of ICDBOOT.PRG included with the SCSI PRo Utilities is 6.2.3 I believe. SOme of the versions earlier than 6.1.2 may have troubles with the Flacon. (Make that Falcon) Atari has changed the SCSI handling and IDE drives a few times so we have been updating as needed. - tOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 148 Fri Sep 03, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:26 EDT Gerry, No need to run any ICD utility before changing disks. You'll see! (I've been using Syquests (two of them) for years, with great success; how else would I back up all these megs? Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 149 Sat Sep 04, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 19:21 EDT >A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 03:26 EDT >No need to run any ICD utility before changing disks. You'll see! (I've been ooooooooooo... that sounds like HERESY to me! But I'll give it a try. Thanks, Al! -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 150 Sat Sep 04, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:16 EDT Gerry, The ICD booter always monitors the disk-change status. That's why you don't need to do anything else. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 151 Sun Sep 05, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 09:21 EDT Gerry, If you pop out a cart. and put a new one in and then get a directory of one of the partitions on the drive, you will get the Disk Change message. You have to access the drive in order to get the message. It will not happen automatically when you pop the cart. in. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 152 Sun Sep 05, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 11:21 EDT The OS does not know when you have put a new disk in until it is told to access the disk, so in that sense the disk-change function is automatic -- it automatically senses the disk change the first time it is told to access the disk. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 153 Mon Sep 06, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 20:25 EDT OK, you guys... I saw the little < DISK CHANGE > message tonight when I changed SyQ carts as I was running the system. I realized, though, why I never saw it before. Probably 95% of my SyQuest activity involves disconnecting the SyQ from my STe system and attaching it to my sampler, or vice versa. THAT'S why I've been running the ICD CPX or the HDUTIL.PRG -- to let the computer know what's online and what's not. Again, thanks for the help. -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 154 Tue Sep 07, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:40 EDT Gerry, I hope you do not disconnect the Syquest without turning off power. If you do, you will burn out some stuff in the computer and/or the HD. You may have had luck so far but, it will get you sooner or later. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 155 Tue Sep 07, 1993 G.LEONE [Gerry] at 21:06 EDT Wayne -- I'm really cautious about that stuff -- I always turn off both the SyQuest and the synth, or the SyQuest and the computer AND primary hard drive before doing anything. I remember reading too many stories about people who fried their STs just by plugging or unplugging their printer! -Gerry ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 156 Wed Sep 08, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 00:00 EDT Gerry, It just sounded like that was what you were doing by the way your message read. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 157 Sat Oct 02, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 13:07 EDT Hi, I bought (quite a while ago) a Link to eventually use with a removable drive. I have been asking around lately and since there are no real dealers that know anything about Atari in Montreal, when inquiring about drives I get the question "what do you have, an IBM or a MAC". This implies that the connectors are not the same. When I say neither, I have an Atari with a SCSI adapter, I am asked what type of connector it is. When I am inquiring to drive manufacturers for specs and prices, what should I tell them my needs are? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 158 Sat Oct 02, 1993 T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 18:33 EDT You want an external Mac model. Plug in your LINK and away you go. -Tom ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 159 Sat Oct 02, 1993 J.MORRISON38 [~ Jimmo ~] at 21:51 EDT Does the ST/TT (and ICD software) support any Magneto Optical drives, either the 128 MByte or the larger capacities? ~ Jimmo ~ ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 160 Sun Oct 03, 1993 L.MAZZERI [Cybey] at 03:24 EDT Does any one out there have an extra adapter that I could buy for my 1040 STf. I need to hook up a scuzzy drive. I've never had a HD before. I'm trying to understand everything I need to do so. cybey ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 161 Sun Oct 03, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 08:11 EDT See Flat, Just about ANY SCSI drive will work. You can get MAC drives in an external case that has the SCSI connector on the back with a pass-through also. If you get the drive from a PC place, tell them you do not need the bus card. All you need is a drive mech., case and power supply with an SCSI connector (it looks like a parallel port connector). All you do then is connect the Link to it. As far as drives go, Maxtor, Quantum and Micropolis are very nice drives. I only have experience with these drives and the Segates but, I tend to shy away from Seagate drives. Make sure they are SCSI I drives. There are also some drives that will accept SCSI I & SCSI II connections. If you plan on ever getting a Falcon, you may want to consider one of these drives. They are a little more expensive but, the SCSI II drives are faster and is what is better at doing Direct to Disk recording on the Falcon. The faster the transfer rate, the better. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 162 Sun Oct 03, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 10:30 EDT Flat, The best reply I can give is to call Toad or Computer Studio and buy a removeable drive from them. They support the Atari whole-heartedly, and know exactly what you need. If you are sure you don't want to go mail-order, are you need to do is buy a SyQuest (or other removeable drive) that works with a Mac. You'll need a standard SCSI cable. This attitude of computer-peripheral retailers is gradually changing, whether they like it or not. A buyer may have an Amiga, a NeXT, a Sun, a Sun clone, an ST, a TT or a Falcon instead of an "IBM or a Mac." SCSI is about as close to plug 'n' play as you can get in the computer business, so there should not be a problem matching up the drive with your Atari. I added a Mac-specific Floptical to my system for a few months, and it worked fine - plug 'n' play - but replaced it with the same company's PC Floptical to get an eject button. (Mac drives use a software-based eject, although you can also stick a pin into a tiny hole in the case to force the disk out.) The PC Floptical is also SCSI, with standard connectors, and the cable that came with the Floptical plugged right into the TT. (This isn't a plug - speaking of plugs! - for the specific brand of Floptical drive, but I will say that the drive is made by Iomega and has performed exceptionally well. It may not work properly with the Link, however, without a small change in one of the power-supply lines; this may have been changed in later production, but my version, one of the first Iomega Flopticals to be sold, does not have the 5-volt line connected at the SCSI port, and so the Link doesn't get any power. The Link is not self-powered, and requires a hookup in which that line is active. All SyQuest drives supply that line, and the InSite Floptical supplies it, also.) My first suggestion is really the best course. The dealers who know Ataris are always the best choice for hardware you will use on an Atari. Those dealers are: Sheldon Winick Computer Studio Work phone: 800-253-0201 Fax line: 704-253-3461 Toad Computers 570-F Ritchie Highway Severna Park, MD 21146-2925 Work phone: 800-448-8623 Fax line: 410 544-1329 Modem line: 410 544-6999 Tech support: 410 544-6943 Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 163 Sun Oct 03, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 12:40 EDT Cybey, A Link from ICD (or from any decent Atari dealer) will do what you want. The Link is about $100. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 164 Sun Oct 03, 1993 L.MAZZERI [Cybey] at 13:17 EDT Does anyone out there have an extra Link to part with? CYBEY. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 165 Sun Oct 03, 1993 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 13:44 EDT Cybey, see the messages addressed to See Flat. The easist solution is to buy an adaptor called the Link from ICD. It's just a small box that connects to your STf's DMA port on one end and the drives SCSI connector on the other. It costs about $100 last I heard, though you'd have to ask your Atari dealer for the current correct price. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 166 Sun Oct 03, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 14:39 EDT Wayne, Thanks for the info. I have a Seagate, I dont' want another. "make sure you get a SCSI 1 drive.......SCSI 2 is faster" I'd like the faster drive, are you saying that the Link is SCSI 1? I thought I'd read it did both SCSI 1 & 2 ? I do not plan on getting a Falcon but I'd like to play animations from disk and the faster the better. Al, thanks for the info and recommendation. I have spoken to Sheldon on and off and he has always been more than helpful. At this time however with the economy the way it is we are tagged with a 35% exchange rate, 7% GST tax, UPS than charges another $18 surcharge to cross the border. That kind of ruins the deal for Sheldon and me. It is funny that you mention your first idea was the best. You see, my first thought WAS to buy it from Sheldon. So, possibly, if I feel totaly uncomfortable with local hardware dealers I will give Sheldon a ring. Comfort is invaluable! :-) ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 167 Sun Oct 03, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 22:54 EDT Flat, Argh, the exchange rate again! You get good health insurance, we get cheaper hard drives. I wonder which is more important? :) SCSI II and SCSI I (there never was a "SCSI I" until SCSI II came out, by the way) are fully compatible. A SCSI II drive will look like a SCSI I drive to a SCSI I host adaptor. The latest SeaCrates are much better than the old ones. There was a middle period in Seagate's history in which it made substandard drives, but that's not true any more. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 168 Sun Oct 03, 1993 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 23:33 EDT See Flat, there is also a company called Micro Drives Canada. I have their flyer here from a recent show. Their toll free number here in Canada is 1-800- 268-4389, with the office based out of Toronto. I'm quite sure they understand what SCSI is as they divide their flyer into SCSI and IDE sections for each drive manufacturor. ;-) The flyer says they deliver anywhere in Canada so I think you'd be safe calling them (at least until after the election ). They're also one of the few places I've seen to promote the Bernoulli removable drives. They seem to really like them.... Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 169 Sun Oct 03, 1993 ST.LOU [Lou] at 23:38 EDT The other place you can check out is Global Drives in Markham... very knowledgable people and great prices. What size you looking for? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 170 Mon Oct 04, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 08:10 EDT Charlie, And Bernouli prices recently were cut just about in half. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 171 Mon Oct 04, 1993 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 14:29 EDT Al, yes. From the looks of this flyer the Bernouli 150 meg removable is about $200 cheaper than the Syquest 105meg. Naturally, I can't afford either.... :-) Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 172 Mon Oct 04, 1993 R.WATSON15 [Wayne Watson] at 18:06 EDT See Flat, I believe that the Link also speaks SCSI II. I am not sure though. You can get the SCSI II though and it will act like an SCSI I to an SCSI I device. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 173 Mon Oct 04, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 18:09 EDT Al, I'm very happy with medicare. I only use it once every five years but am glad to know that if I need brain surgery to try and cope with the currency exchange rate I won't have to morgage my life! Charlie, I have taken down the number ot Micro Drives Canada. Both of you, Thanks for the info. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 174 Mon Oct 04, 1993 J.BRENNER1 [See Flat] at 19:00 EDT I have heard a few things things about the Bernouli. The ones I recall are, They are cheaper in the long run. They are safer to ship via messenger. The access time to disk is too slow for certain applications. Any experienced users care to comment? ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 175 Mon Oct 04, 1993 L.MAZZERI [Cybey] at 20:07 EDT Charlie, is there really a 150meg HD that's removeable? Could I get that in a Toad case? How much are they? Cybnot. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 176 Mon Oct 04, 1993 J.ZENTZ1 [wintermane] at 23:37 EDT If you look in computer shopper one company is making 250 and 500meg removables... mind you i didnt see a price and as yet they didnt have anything but ide drives. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 177 Tue Oct 05, 1993 R.NELSON48 [Grouch (:{] at 01:03 EDT Cybey- Have I got a deal for you. Maybe you can use it, maybe not. I have an ICD case with power supply and Host Adaptor, fan, all that good stuff and it is yours for the low LOW price of $50.00. If needed I will even throw in a Hard Drive Controller. Tell me what scsi drive you have, I'll tell you what you need and how to make it work with your 1040. Chances are I have had the same hooked up to mine at one time or another. I popped my drives out and put them all in a tower case with a CD-ROM and a SYQUEST to run with my Falcon. The Falcon has it's own SCSI-II controller and does not need the adapter. Happy Nerding (:{ Grouch. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 178 Tue Oct 05, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:37 EDT Flat, The latest Bernoulis are supposed to be quite a bit faster than the older ones. Iomega is one heck of a fine company, I do know that. I love the Iomega Floptical. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 179 Tue Oct 05, 1993 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 22:39 EDT Cybey, yes according to this flyer I have in front of me, Bernoulli sells a removable drive mechanism with an 18ms seek time that accepts thier 35, 65, 90, 105 and 150 meg cartridges. As Al points out, Bernoulli is made by Iomega and you should really check with them for more info. I'm afraid I don't know any more than what I'm reading on this flyer. :-( Oh, the cost of the drive is listed (in Canadian dollars, here) as $699 'powered' and $739 'transportable', and I really don't know what the difference is. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 180 Wed Oct 06, 1993 K.OLSON10 [KenO.] at 07:05 EDT Hi! Seacrates? I have had 2 of them one was dammaged by a power surge due to a storm. The other was dammaged due to my mistake. Both times Seagate replaced them with a reasonable fee and quick turnaround. In fact the second one came back up dated and is a much more quiet and faster drive than when I sent it in. KenO. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 181 Wed Oct 06, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 20:12 EDT Charlier, Bernoulli "transportable" drives are portable versions, with handles. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 182 Wed Oct 06, 1993 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 22:16 EDT Oh, I see, Al. Hmmm. Can't think of how I would have a use for such a thing but I suppose someone does or they wouldn't keep making them that way. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 183 Sat Oct 09, 1993 M.SKIPPER1 [SKIPPER] at 11:37 EDT I recently purchased a SyQuest 44MB Removeable and am trying to connect it to my TT030. If I read the past messages correctly the double row of eight copper pins on the rear of the drive are for ID selection? The unit I have has nothing connected to any of these pins. When I tried to power up, it comes up with the same ID as the internal drive. What do I need to do to change the ID? I assume that the three flat eight pin things that plug in are the terminating resistors. If so are there more located inside the TT and do I have to remove them? Thanks Miachel Skipper ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 184 Sat Oct 09, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 19:24 EDT Michael, You are right about the pins. They are for selecting the SCSI ID of the device. You need a little plastic jumper, or you can make one out of some tiny gauge coper wire (which I've done in the past - but just make sure you don't let the wirer contact other pins). The jumper connects a pin in the top row with the corresponding pin in the bottom row. SCSI 0 is no jumper; SCSI 1 is one jumper in ... ahem, I can't recall the position, but if you experiment with jumping the first or last set of pins I think you'll find it is one of those. The last device in a SCSI chain must be terminated. The TT's drive may or may not need to be terminated, depending on how the internal host adaptor is configured. Some of the others here may know for sure. If we can't get an answer soon, I'll volunteer to take my TT's HD bay out to check my drive; I have a TT internal drive and two other drives on the SCSI bus. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 185 Sat Oct 16, 1993 M.SKIPPER1 [SKIPPER] at 06:45 EDT Ron @ Atari Explorer Magazine Where did you find a 50 pin DIP to SCSI connector cable? I tried TOAD but they didn't have one. I also purchased a Puma44 for a whole lot less than I found a bare drive. I have the cover off the unit now with ribbon cable hanging all over the place now. Miachel Skipper ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 186 Sat Oct 16, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 12:59 EDT Skipper, Sheldon at Computer Studio in Asheville, NC has 'em. Give him a call. That's where I bought my cables for my Puma 88. --Kevin Houser ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 187 Sun Oct 17, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 00:23 EDT Miachel, (Is your name really Miachel? That's an unusual spelling...) Bare SyQuest drives sell for about $250 to $350,. sometimes less. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 188 Mon Oct 18, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 02:54 EDT I've seen the Puma 44 meggers being blown out for 299 here in Austin. The 88s are going for 399. No 88 Pluses at this price tho. They include a case and PS and are SCSI. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 189 Mon Oct 18, 1993 M.SKIPPER1 [SKIPPER] at 03:39 EDT Al That is the correct spelling. I had an Irish nurse. I have a Puma44 that I purchased at Sam's for $176 with a cartridge. It was set up for use on a IBM for the parallel port and came with case and power supply. I'm looking for a cable to pluge straight into the SyQuest and straight into the back of my TT. Miachel Skipper ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 190 Mon Oct 18, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 07:50 EDT Rich, Could you post a phone # where you got/saw an 88 for $399? CompUSA in Atlanta had them for $499 last week or so. I'd love to get another one if I found it at a $399 price. Thanks! --Kevin ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 191 Mon Oct 18, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 18:25 EDT Miachel, $176!! Surely they did not know what they were selling. The cart sells for $65 to $70 alone. Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 192 Tue Oct 19, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 03:03 EDT Kevin: I saw the $399 Puma 88s at a Compuadd "Backdock" sale in Austin TX. The drives were new, just being blown out. I don't know if they would sell one through the mail. But you can call them. Compuadd Express 512-219-1800. Make sure you refer to their Backdock sale, which they hold on Saturday's only when they open their warehouse to the public. Rich Al, I've seen prices on IBM style 44's at 199. They did not come with a controller, which you had to buy extra at another 99. ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 193 Tue Oct 19, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 07:47 EDT Rich, You don't need a 'controller' for the SyQuests. If you already have a hard drive (I've got oodles of 'em) setup for your ST with an ICD Host Adapter then all you need is the drive & a cable. Also, with the Falcon030 all you need is a cable. Period. I'll call 'em. Thanks. --Kevin ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 194 Thu Oct 21, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 00:53 EDT Al, Kevin and any HD gurus out there: Does anyone know how to hook up a bare old RLL drive from my megafile60 to the HD system. I have a 2 bay Toad case with a LINK H/A with a maxtor scsi 120 meg and a syquest44. I want to put the syquest in its own case to transport it to work and put the Seagate 251-1 in its place (its non SCSI). Is this possible? (If not, does anyone want to buy a used 60 meg bare seagate?) Thanks! Rich ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 195 Thu Oct 21, 1993 PG.MUSIC [PG-Kevin] at 07:33 EDT If you can find an Adaptec (izzit the 4000A????) controller, that should adapt the SCSI of the Link to the RLL &/or MFM type of drives. They used to be popular with old ST & Amiga owners. I dunno how easy they are to find these days. --Kevin ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 196 Thu Oct 21, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 07:34 EDT Rich, If it's not a SCSI drive, it won't work as a SCSI device. Are you sure it's not a SCSI? Al ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 197 Thu Oct 21, 1993 ICDINC at 10:12 EDT ICD has Omti RLL controllers on closeout for around $40. They are supported in our software as well as Adaptec cards. There is a guy in another topic of this catagory looking for a 60 MB drive for his SH205. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 198 Fri Oct 22, 1993 R.THUROW [Rich] at 05:51 EDT Tom, Thanks for the info on the Omti controller. Is it just a board to install in the HD case? Does it come with installation instructions? Is it easy? Thanks! rich ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 199 Fri Oct 22, 1993 ICDINC at 07:23 EDT Rich, It is a PCB and in a 3.5" form factor vs Adaptec 5.25" form factor. IT comes with 2 pages of instructions which just cover plug ID and jumper IDs. Installation is up to you. :-) The cables are a bit different from Adaptec 4000 type. Omti uses pin headers instead of edge card connectors (like the 50 pin on Adaptec) for the 20 and 34 pin connectors. We also have cables in stock. - TOM - ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 200 Sat Oct 30, 1993 F.HARRIS5 at 16:00 EDT Hi, Has anyone tried a MDS 44 Meg removable? I have an ICD plus host adaptor with a hard drive. Is it just a matter of daisy chaining? Fred ------------ Category 4, Topic 55 Message 201 Sat Oct 30, 1993 A.FASOLDT [Al Fasoldt] at 21:47 EDT Fred, What's an MDS drive? Is it a SyQuest mechanism packaged by someone? if so, and it has a SCSI port, it will work fine. Al ------------