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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 1         Sat Jul 11, 1992
SESCHNEIDER                  at 21:25 EDT
 
Hi Folks, I'm a new user of Pha$ar... just pulled out the old STart magazine
with version 3.02 on it, and am quite impressed. (Yes, I'm that far behind in
my reading!)

Now for my question/comment. I've read through all the messages on here, and I
too was not happy about the way some "transfers" did not appear on my
statement. I can deal with the monthly delay of credit cards, but for car
payments, I regard that as an expense (given that my car will probably have
zero value by the time I finish paying it off!).

But I think I found a solution--or perhaps I'm just deceiving myself because
I'm a new user. I created a "standard transaction" with a transfer from
"checking" to "Ford Credit", and then I got sneaky. I next make a "SPLIT"
payment for $0 from Ford Credit to "Interest" and "Car Payment" for $50 and
$250 (or whatever). The program doth protest briefly, but it lets you get away
with this even though 50+250 doesn't equal 0. In fact, I can even go back and
edit the standard transaction and eliminate the first line of the SPLIT
payment completely.

The result seems to do what I hear some folks wishing for on here. The payment
registers as a decrease in my Ford Credit liability account, and it appears on
my monthly expense list, but it does NOT double bill me in any of the summary
financial statements as far as I can tell.

Have I just done something brilliant or utterly stupid? Your comments
(especially if the former) would be much appreciated.
   ---Steve
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 2         Sun Jul 12, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:53 EDT
 
Steve,

        I think you found a good solution for your needs.  If I remember
correctly the "problem" some users had was a result of the way they were
keeping their records.  Not a real problem with Pha$ar, but rather the lack of
a feature they would like to have.  You should not have a problem.

        BTW that is about the same method I use.

>> Joe Meehan <<
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 3         Tue Jul 21, 1992
J.KUDRON [Jim~ST Sysop]      at 05:57 EDT
 
Messages #1-187 have been archived and are in the library-File #24989



 Jim Kudron
 <ST Sysop>
 21Jul92


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 4         Fri Jul 24, 1992
R.RIDDLE3 [The Riddler]      at 00:13 EDT
 
I'm having a printing problem with PHA$ER.

I have a Tandy 24 pin Dot Matrix printer. I've set the "UserPrefrences" to my
printer (Dot Matrix and Screen print) and have run a test print.

 It prints: This is the top printable line. This line should be in condensed
mode. (which it's not) The numbers in the next line (50,100,132) should be
right justified.

Then on the next line there is a 50 and a line that goes off the page. --------
--------------------------------------------------------------- (If I try to
run two "print tests" in a row ,the second does not print unless I turn the
printer off and then back on.)

I save the user preferences and then go to "Print Cash Flow Summary" and
nothing happens. The printer just sits there like no messages are being sent
to it. I've tried turning the printer of and then back on to reset it and
still nothing happens.

Any ideas on how to get this working would be greatly appreciated.

RIDDLER

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 5         Fri Jul 24, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:50 EDT
 
Riddler,

        I would start by checking the manual with the Tandy and resetting it
to standard defaults.  Most Tandys use the control pannel to set the defaults.

        Second is Pha$ar.  The print default should be to "Printer" or Query. 
If you are set to print to screen, it won't print to printer will it?

        If after resetting all the printer settings back to their defaults you
might need to change some Pha$ar setting in the custom printer settings, you
will need your printer manual.

>> Joe Meehan <<
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 6         Sun Jul 26, 1992
M.PASEK [HUMANIST]           at 15:07 EDT
 
I've been a PHA$SAR user for awhile. I just checked out the HOME ACCOUNTS 2
demo and for my money PHA$AR wins hands down.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 7         Mon Jul 27, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:33 EDT
 
M.Pasek,

You seem to be a new face here, and now you're popping up all over. Welcome
aboard!

I'm happy with PHA$AR, and can't imagine why I would even want to check
another similar(?) program. It's good to hear that you support that
conviction.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 8         Mon Jul 27, 1992
A.DIPIETRO [Anthony D.]      at 20:04 EDT
 
I checked the demo of Home Accounts, too. The interface seems OK and some of
the features seem OK, but not enough to invest my money in...I didn't like
some of the interface elements...

While PHASAR is no beauty, interface-wise, it is OK for what it does... hope
there's an upgrade int he future though (ie, v5)...

             Anthony
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 9         Wed Jul 29, 1992
R.RIDDLE3 [The Riddler]      at 00:38 EDT
 
Hi Joe M:

Thanks to you I have my printer working with Pha$er!

RIDDLER
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 10        Thu Jul 30, 1992
L.DOWDLE1 [Scott Dowdle]     at 02:59 EDT
 
Gee Whiz Gang,

     I'm expecting my newly purchased USED copy of Pha$er to arrive any day. 
I saw someone selling it in the For Sale Topic so I grabbed it up with a few
other things.  The only financial program I've purchased in the past Home
Accountant from the defunct Habba Software.  I like it... but my wife has
gotten used to Quicken on my brother-in-laws MS-DOS clone.  I'm hoping that
Pha$er will rival Quicken.  Any comments?

     Our main feature need out of a financial software package is to inter-
relate accounts... we have a lot of medical bills stemming from a newly born
son (with renal problems).  Luckily, I have great insurance but I still have
to pay some... and there are a lot of people asking for money.  Does anyone
have any suggestions on how to manage insurance claims, payments and balances?

    Oh yeah, yet another question... the version of Pha$er I'm getting is
supposedly the next to newest version.  What is the latest version, what are
the differences, and is anyone supporting upgrades right now?  If so, how
much?


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 11        Thu Jul 30, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:22 EDT
 
Scott,

        Congratulations on Pha$ar.  I believe you and your wife will like it.

        There are a number of ways to set up accounts to track you insurance
payments.  Do you know at the time of the first bill, how much will be paid or
is it a guess until you get the check?  When do you pay for the services (when
received, when billed, after the insurance has paid it's part?)

        I would likely set up an account for insurance due. When I paid a bill
that I expected to be reimbersed for I would pay the bill from Checking and
add a transaction to the insurance account for (negative) their amount due,
resulting in a account payable.  When the inusrance was paid I would then show
a transfer from the checking account to the insurance account.

        Use the "Note" field to indicate date of service, type of service etc
to help you identify  the transaction later.

>> Joe Meehan <<
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 12        Thu Jul 30, 1992
M.PASEK [HUMANIST]           at 19:01 EDT
 
Thanks for the welcome. You're right. I am popping up all over. Hopefully I'll
get the hang of the board soon.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 13        Thu Jul 30, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 20:44 EDT
 
  Scott,

Latest version of Phasar is V4.08 and is being handled by Pysnosis (Terrific
Corporation is now one of their divisions).  How good the upgrade is will
depend on what version you are getting.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 14        Thu Jul 30, 1992
L.DOWDLE1 [Scott Dowdle]     at 23:39 EDT
 
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ],

 JM> Do you know at the time of the first bill, how much will be paid
 JM> or is it a guess until you get the check?  When do you pay for
 JM> the services (when received, when billed, after the insurance
 JM> has paid it's part?)

     Well, so far... most of them are billing insurance directly and sending
us an FYI copy.  Then we get a copy of the benefits paid as the insurance
fields through things.   My wife has been doing all of this in Quicken and I
haven't paid a bit of attention to anything except the checking account part
of it.

     Luckily my wife has had some accounting so hopefully she will know what
all you guys are talking about. [grin]  I haven't gotten the program yet
(expecting it any day now)... and I'm not sure of the version number yet
either... other than the description I gave earlier.

     I'm sure to have more questions when I get the program and try to set up
the accounts.  I just decided to ask a few questions to see how well you
Pha$er users thought it would suit my needs.

- - - - -

J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er],

 JW> Latest version of Phasar is V4.08 and is being handled by
 JW> Pysnosis (Terrific Corporation is now one of their divisions).
 JW> How good the upgrade is will depend on what version you are
 JW> getting.

     It is certainly good to hear that the program is still being supported. 
Hmmm, I'm not famliar with Terrific Corporation... and I've only heard of
Psynosis as a Britian based game publisher.  Could you give me some more
information please?  Is there a GEnie online contact for them?


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 15        Sat Aug 01, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 00:26 EDT
 
  Scott,

Terrific Corp was a division of Antic before they sunk and Pysnosis bought it
or something like that.  I don't believe that they have a contact on GEnie at
all.  I will give you the address/phone number on Saturday when I dig it out.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 16        Sat Aug 08, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 07:36 EDT
 
Scotti,

Have you seen my PHA$AR?? The Klingon's are comming!!

Capt. Kirk...
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 17        Sat Aug 08, 1992
L.DOWDLE1 [Scott Dowdle]     at 10:54 EDT
 
Hi Ted & All,

     Yes, I've seen Pha$er.  I a package in the mail about a week ago
containing Pha$er v3.02 and I've been reading over the manual.  I hope to
start setting up my own account structure this weekend but would appreciate
any help anyone would like to offer.  I did like the manual.

     Can anyone tell me what the differences are between v3.02 and the newest
version?  Oh, did anyone come up with an address for Terrific Corp? ...or a
phone number? ...so I could see how much an upgrade would be.

Thanks in advance for all of the help!


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 18        Sat Aug 08, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 15:44 EDT
 
  Scott,

    Terrific Corporation (Pyskgnosis)
    29 Saint Mary's Court
    Brookline, MA  02146

Changes from 3.02 to 4.08, faster, better reports, better view/edit
transactions and many other improvements.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 19        Mon Sep 21, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 04:12 EDT
 
        I have just been working with the latest verions of Pha$ar and I would
like to note that in addtion to the improvements previously memtioned the
programs handling of split or multible transactions has been improved.  Now
when you edit a existing split transaction, the rest of the transactions that
were part of the split are also updated and if the amount is changed the
origional (or total) entry is also update.

        I consider this a major improvment.

>> Joe Meehan <<


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 20        Mon Sep 21, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:50 EDT
 
Joe,

That sounds like a great improvement. I haven't upgraded yet, because it
seemed to little had changed. I think that will make the difference. Thanks
for the good news.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 21        Mon Sep 21, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:42 EDT
 
Joe,

What version are you working with?

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 22        Tue Sep 22, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:26 EDT
 
Ted,

        I am working with version 4.08.

>> Joe Meehan <<
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 23        Tue Sep 22, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:19 EDT
 
Joe,

Thanks,  I'm thinking aobut purchasing Pha$ar.. Is that the latest version?? 
What do you think of Pha$ar.. You can Email me if you want??

A good friend of mine has it but can't see to get it working right..

Of course he is a little retarded.. <Grin>.. No he is _NEW_ to computers. I
thought I 'buy' and then try to 'teach' him,  the drone...

Thanks in advance, & I'll see ya at WAACE,

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 24        Wed Sep 23, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:54 EDT
 
Ted,

I like PHA$AR 4.0, and just ordered the upgrade after Joe's recent post. I
wasn't sure it was worth it before hearing it takes care of split files
better.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 25        Wed Sep 23, 1992
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:13 EDT
 
Joe,

        Hi!  I'm new to this board but I've been working with Phasar for 5
years now.  I love it.  I only upgraded once and that was to version 4.  I've
always wished that they would make it work with Check Free like Quicken.  So
can you tell me what the difference is between ver. 4 and ver. 4.08.



                                                Bill

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 26        Wed Sep 23, 1992
R.JANSSEN1 [DAMIAN]          at 23:01 EDT
 
  Anybody care to list the improvements that took version 3.0 to 4.0
(again!:>)?  How much are they getting for an upgrade?

          'Dig you later,    \\\\
                              o-o
                  Damian.      ~
               (R.JANSSEN1)   \_/

                              [X]

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 27        Thu Sep 24, 1992
R.KOHORN                     at 00:42 EDT
 
Two major improvements that I have noticed from version 3 to  4.03 are  being
able to  alarm standard transactions (tell you when your bills are due) and
the ease of entering transactions using frequent payees.
 Minor improvements in the reports section are also present but you don't  
use reports everyday, the other two benefits you do. Ron
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 28        Thu Sep 24, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 01:03 EDT
 
  Price to upgrade from version 3 to 4.08 is $24.95.  As for listing the
improvements, lets just say that if you are using version 3 and you like it,
upgrade and it will be well worth it.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thursday September 24th 1992   00:50 am
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 29        Thu Sep 24, 1992
L.DOWDLE1 [Scott Dowdle]     at 20:13 EDT
 
Hello Gang,

     I bought Pha$er used (an older version... this being a rehash of
information here - grin) and I'm interested in upgrading.  I have the address
of the new support company somewhere.  Can someone save the time and trouble
of writing a letter or making a phone call by relaying what the upgrade
procedures are?  I have version 3.02.

Thanks in advance, TYL, Scott

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 30        Thu Sep 24, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 21:15 EDT
 
Ken,

If/when you get the time, let me know what you think of v 4.xx??

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 31        Thu Sep 24, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 23:03 EDT
 
  Scott,

Cost of upgrade is $24.95 and you mail in your original disks to:

  Customer Service
  Terrific Corporation (Pyskgnosis)
  29 Saint Mary's Court
  Brookline, MA  02146
  Work: (617) 731-3553


         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thursday September 24th 1992   08:51 pm

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 32        Fri Sep 25, 1992
CHAZ                         at 04:06 EDT
 
Ron - how do you set the alarms for bills due?  Don't remember reading about
that one...

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 33        Fri Sep 25, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:54 EDT
 
Damian,

$24.95 from 4.0, more from older versions. From 4.0, I understand there is
more speed and, for sure, split files are all updated when a change is made in
one of them. You might best drop Terrific a line and ask them.

Jeff usually is right, but I got him on one thing this time. Don't send your
disk. Send a photocopy of your manual cover and your disk, and send that in
with your check and request, including address. It's been about a year since I
posted the prices I got over the phone from Terrific, and forgot the prices
that go with different amounts of upgrade, but I talked with them a few days
ago to find out the procedure and know that's correct. I thought sure that
they said at that time that the upgrade was more for versions less than 4.0,
and I KNOW it is more for some older versions. Call to be sure, and post the
info here.

Ted,

I just ordered it this week. Will do when it gets here.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 34        Fri Sep 25, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 19:25 EDT
 
  Ken Van,

I am always right.  <Grin>.  When I upgraded, they told me to send in the
original disk and not the photocopy of the manual and disk.  I upgraded about
6 months ago or so.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Friday September 25th 1992   07:14 pm
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 35        Fri Sep 25, 1992
R.KOHORN                     at 23:48 EDT
 
Chaz- When you are in the standard transaction, you can list whether that
particular bill is monthly, weekly, biweekly or quarterly.  Then when you pay
the bill Phasar will figure out when the bill is due next.  Then under the
setup menu chose "alarm standard transactions" and when you initialize PHA$AR
the screen will tell you if standard transactions are due, post due  etc. 
This has saved me more than once from being late with a credit card payment.
Ron
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 36        Sat Sep 26, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 08:48 EDT
 
Jeff,

Well, the policy was different as of Monday(?) of this week. Sometimes it's
hard to keep up.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 37        Sat Sep 26, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 12:09 EDT
 
 >Message 34        Fri Sep 25, 1992
 >J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 19:25 EDT
 >
 >  Ken Van,
 >
 >I am always right.  <Grin>.  When I upgraded, they told me to send in the
 >original disk and not the photocopy of the manual and disk.  I upgraded
about
 >6 months ago or so.
 >---------------------

??????.... Send them a photocopy of your disk??? Sounds cool.... That way
everyone gets the upgrade... <Grin>... DUH, Jeff...

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 38        Sat Sep 26, 1992
CHAZ                         at 13:54 EDT
 
Thanks Ron - I've been using Pha$ar for years and somehow missed that feature.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 39        Sat Sep 26, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 22:58 EDT
 
  Ted,

Want to borrow my glasses so you can read the message correctly, I did not say
to send in a photocopy of the disk.  But that is something that you would do. 
<Grin>.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Saturday September 26th 1992   05:05 pm
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 40        Sun Sep 27, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 14:59 EDT
 
Ted,

        I have been out of town so excuse the late reply.

        I like Pha$ar.  It is fine for all my home accounting.  I might even
work for a small business.   It is not sutable for any complex business even a
small one.  I help out a friend with a dance studio and it would not help
there at all.

        It is not perferct, and I have seen features in some other programs I
would like to see in Pha$ar, but I have not seen another program I would use
inplace of Pha$ar.

        The best manual in my estamation was the older one with the Eggberts. 
It had a nice way to lead you through setting things up. I don't think most
people, experienced with Atari, should have too difficult a time setting
things up.  The real problem is decieding what you want the program to do for
you.  Pha$ar has a lot of flexability and you need to set it up for your own
use.


        I bleieve the version I have is the latest out.

>> Joe Meehan <<


                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more.... Bill,

        I think a list of some of the differences were posted here a few
messages back (mmm I see we are at message 25, maybe they have been cleaned
out).  I don't remember other than they did some bug fixes and speeded some
things up.

        I understand you desire to use Check Free.  Manybe someday.

>> Joe Meehan <<


                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....

                        UP GRADES


        When you request an upgrade be sure to tell them you want the ATARI
version.  When you get your upgrade don't worry about the refference to Amiga
on the cover of the new instruction book.  <grin>

>> Joe Meehan <<

                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....
 >Thanks Ron - I've been using Pha$ar for years and somehow missed
 >that feature.

        Same here.

>> Joe Meehan <<
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 41        Mon Sep 28, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 06:25 EDT
 
Ted,

They said a photocopy of the cover of the manual and of the disk. I laid the
manual on the copy machine with the disk partly under it, and got them both on
one sheet. If that's a problem for you, call them and check for yourself. They
may have list of registered owners, also.

Jeff,

I'm not sure I understand what's happening here. These are the new rules.
Wasn't I clear enough?

Ken Van Dellen d8^)


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 42        Mon Sep 28, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:07 EDT
 
Joe, Ken...

Thanks...  I'll probably get it at the WAACE Fest, along with a dozen other
programs.  :->...

See ya there,

 <-:}Ted{:->

Ken,

I was just trying to make a 'funny', sorry... Let me know what you think of
the .PRG when you can??

Thanks,

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 43        Tue Sep 29, 1992
D.OWENS                      at 20:53 EDT
 
I guess it is according to who you talk too at Terrific as to how you upgrade
to Pha$ar 4.08, because I called Monday and asked the lady I talked with how
to upgrade from Pha$ar 4.01 to 4.08. She told me to: Send a photocopy of the
first page of the MANUAL with the word PHA$AR. OR Send a photocopy of the
Original DISK with the Antic label on it. OR Send in the Original DISK with
the Antic label on it.

EITHER of the above and send a Check for $24.95.

So I sent off Monday a Photocopy of the Disk and a check for $24.95. Hope this
helps

Denver






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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 44        Tue Sep 29, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 23:26 EDT
 
Ted,

I don't remember the "funny", and I have a pretty good sense of humor, so it
must have been pretty weird. I like PHA$AR very much.

I don't think you can get from Atari dealers. Check with Terrific.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 45        Wed Sep 30, 1992
MIKE.KELLER [ST Aladdin]     at 00:24 EDT
 
I'd say the most important part of the sequence is the $24.95!<g>

 mike.k

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 46        Wed Sep 30, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:21 EDT
 
Ken,

Yeah, it wasn't that 'funny', after all :->..  I'll look for it a WAACE next
week.. If it's not there I'll go and order it direct..

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 47        Sat Oct 10, 1992
CHAZ                         at 02:59 EDT
 
How long has it been taking to receive upgrades?  I sent a check in a couple
weeks ago...
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 48        Sat Oct 10, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 09:16 EDT
 
Chaz,

You should get it any day. I got a phone call less than a week after sending
in my check with a photostat of the disk and manual cover. I guess I assumed
they could tell from the disk that it was Atari, so I didn't bother to give
them a note, and they wanted to check with me. That was decent! Less than a
week later I had it, as I recall.

I thought the previous version was pretty fast, but this one is definitely
faster. It flies! I like the relinking with editing multiple entries, too. I
wonder if I can now delete no longer active accounts, etc.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 49        Sat Oct 10, 1992
L.BUDNICK [Lorne]            at 09:30 EDT
 
Chaz,

I received my upgrade within about a week.  I live in the Twin Cities area of
Minnesota.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 50        Sat Oct 10, 1992
CHAZ                         at 15:03 EDT
 
Thanks for the eta's, mine arrived today.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 51        Sun Oct 11, 1992
D.DANTONIO [DOM D'ANTONO]    at 09:59 EDT
 
Hi, I've used PHA$AR for over 2 years now and love it!  I've set up a
PHA$AR.REG file that can be adapted to your needs.   I can upload it if anyone
wants, but remember, it's a Canadian form.  The best example .REG file I've
seen is the one that is was included with PHA$AR 3.

I currently have version 4.03.   What is the difference between 4.03 and 4.08?
I notice that the check printing feature does not work proplerly on 4.03?  Is
this fixed in 4.08?

I have a TT030 and PHA$AR V4.03 works extremely well with the TT in TT Medium
res.  I've had no problems as of yet.

I don't know all about Quicken PC, but I've seen it running and I still think
Phasar is much better.  Is it true that PHA$AR is out for the IBM?

Enough said!
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 52        Sun Oct 11, 1992
R.KOHORN [Ron]               at 15:29 EDT
 
Dom, ATDT555-1212

Phasar is available for the IBM.  I called Tom Marks of Marksman Tech, who
wrote Phasar and for (?can't remember exactly how much) he sent me a disc with
the Phasar.EXE and a converstion from ST reg to DOS reg.  However, I have
since bought a new Mega STe and have not tried the DOS version.  What problems
are you having with the check writing.  Mine works very well (vers. 4.03).

Ron
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 53        Sun Oct 11, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 16:36 EDT
 
Dom

Check printing is supposedly fixed. I haven't tried it. There are also many
bug fixes. It's a lot faster. Split files are automatically updated when
edited.

There is an IBM version. Probably not as nice as ours.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)


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Message 54        Sun Oct 11, 1992
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 20:18 EDT
 
  Split files are now auto updated in what version?
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Message 55        Mon Oct 12, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:59 EDT
 
Flakes,

In the latest one (4.08?). I just got it.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Message 56        Tue Oct 13, 1992
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 00:26 EDT
 
Ken,

I'm sorry, but I missed it.  Could you explain what was fixed with split files
in which version?

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Co-Editor
 Monday, October 12, 1992 -- 11:58:04 pm

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 57        Tue Oct 13, 1992
CHAZ                         at 04:35 EDT
 
4.01 Calculator fixed Transaction printing bugs fixed Various bug fixes

4.02 Various bug fixes

4.03 Reduced memory requirements Enter/edit transactions, other routines
polished Added choice of currency symbol Various bug fixes

4.04 Printing with running balance routine fixed Numlock & Capslock status
shown on main screen Allows list-management operation (running w/o .REG file)
Fixed check-printing routines Various bug fixes

4.06 Various bug fixes

4.07 Rewrote disk error routines Updated to 1991 tax forms Various bug fixes

4.08 Multi, Xfer In, Xfer Out category names not blanked Various bug fixes

Note:  "Various bug fixes" means that several specific routines which caused
errors when operated in a particular way were changed sxo that this did not
happen.  Questions about specific bugs should be directed to:

 Terrific Corp.
 29 St. Mary's Court
 Brookline, MA  02146
 (617) 731-3553


 **This was the info included on the realease notes included with the
   4.08 update
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 58        Wed Oct 14, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 23:15 EDT
 
John,

The newest version (I think 4.08) has eliminated the message "this is part of
a split file - the other parts will not be updated". It now links with other
parts and corrects them when you modify one part.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 59        Thu Oct 15, 1992
K.CAVAGHAN2 [OakSprings]     at 01:26 EDT
 
Hello All,

Hopefully one of you 'gents' can help me out here.  While we currently have
Phasar (4.0) here, we didn't start using it till lately.  Since we run 2
business (both small) from here as well as our personal books, we wanted to
use Phasar for all three.

The problem is that Phasar does not provide (apparently) some very important
reports such as: Balance Sheet, Trial Balance, Profit/Loss Statements, and
Income/Expenses Statement.  Our bookkeeper is currently trying to get us to
use Bedford on her machine, but we have no wish to for various reasons.

So... could any of you tell me whether these reports are indeed available in
the new version, or will there be a chance that these will be included in
future updates?

Kent
 OakSprings Software

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 60        Thu Oct 15, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:49 EDT
 
Kent,

        Pha$ar will do Balance sheets etc, but you need to go to the P-TAX
part of the program and define your own reports.  It is somewhat like using a
spreadsheet program.

        It is not real easy, but it can be done and once done it will update
itself very easy each month.

>> Joe M <<
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 61        Thu Oct 15, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 08:02 EDT
 
  Kent,

Those reports are not abvailable in the most current version of Phasar. 
Remember that it is advertised (or was) as the complete HOME financial
manager.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 62        Fri Oct 16, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:30 EDT
 
 >Those reports are not abvailable in the most current version of
 >Phasar.  Remember that it is advertised (or was) as the complete HOME
 >financial manager.

        Page 121 of the Current manual is section 9.5.7 Tax Forms, Net Worth
Statement...  The Net Worth Statement is a balance sheet. You can add to or
delete from for you own use.

>> Joe M <<


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 63        Fri Oct 16, 1992
K.CAVAGHAN2 [OakSprings]     at 07:43 EDT
 
Jeff & Joe,

Thanks for the replies guys.  My bookkeeper was looking over my shoulder as I
read it and she said "L:J<&***^%&%"  <G>.  Looks like we may have to look
elsewhere for our business books :(.

Any one have any experience with Sales Pro?

Kent

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 64        Fri Oct 16, 1992
T.EVANS21 [<Ted E.>]         at 18:09 EDT
 
You tell 'em , Joe... :->...

 <-:}Ted{:->
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 65        Fri Oct 16, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 23:08 EDT
 
  Joe,

As far as what Kent was looking for, it is not in the program.  I tried to set
Phasar up for a small business, it took so much time and fiddling, that it was
not worth it at all.

         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
         ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
         ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Friday October 16, 1992 - 07:14:18 p.m.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 66        Sat Oct 17, 1992
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 00:52 EDT
 
Kent,

I have to agree with Joe.  Although the PTAX program that is provided has a
moderately steep learning curve, once you get the hang of it it becomes a
_very_ powerful report generator.  It will do everything you need.

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Co-Editor
 Friday, October 16, 1992 -- 11:25:46 pm

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 67        Sat Oct 17, 1992
CHAZ                         at 04:11 EDT
 
Ken - I had read about the "multi-part transaction" fix in previous messages,
but the same error message has appeared since updating to 4.08.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 68        Sat Oct 17, 1992
HUMPHRIES.JR [Roger]         at 16:29 EDT
 
I have been using PHA$AR for years, and like it a lot.  I recently got a TT
with monochrome screen, and find that it does not work properly on the 19"
screen.  I have read that it work on the colour monitors, and the program runs
ok with the 19", it just does not display things properly. It appears that the
screen draws are very specific to a 640x400 monitor, and things end up
incorrectly drawn, and invers does not come out the way it should.  Some
things are inverted that should not be, and some that should are not.


Does anyone else have experience with using it on the TT?  right now I have
kept it running on the old Mega 4, which I still have set up, but I would like
to see a version that runs properly on a 19" monitor.

I am running v1.08, which I think is the latest.

 -- Roger
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 69        Sat Oct 17, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 16:40 EDT
 
 >As far as what Kent was looking for, it is not in the program.  I
 >tried to set Phasar up for a small business, it took so much time and
 >fiddling, that it was not worth it at all.

Jeff,

        I generally agree.  Pha$ar will only do for a -basic- business.  It
will do some basics, but many businesses need more. You can do a lot with P-
Tax, but this is not a ready to run thing for a business.

        For home use, however, it works fine out of the box.

>> Joe M <<


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 70        Sat Oct 17, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 17:10 EDT
 
 Roger,

 >I have been using PHA$AR for years, and like it a lot.  I recently got a TT
 >with monochrome screen, and find that it does not work properly on the 19"
 >screen. ...

        Yep.  It works on the TT in TT-High, but it is not very graphicly
pleasing.  Somethings are downright confusing.

        I have both monitors and I use the High Res even if it does not look
right.  I hate to heat up the Color monitor just for Pha$ar and I won't give
up the TT-High.

        I also would like to see a version that will work better with TT-High,
but I am betting against it.  Pha$ar uses a lot of methods that would be a lot
of work to use on Hi-Res. (Note the sliders etc. These are not GEM.

        Lets you and I and anyone else who has or thinks they might get a
large screen monitor (like Monoterm) write to:

 Terrific Corporation
 29 St. Mary's Court
 Brookline , MA  02146

        And let them know we want a combatable version.


 >I am running v1.08, which I think is the latest.

        COuld that be V 4.08.  <grin>

>> Joe M <<


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 71        Sun Oct 18, 1992
CHAZ                         at 14:56 EDT
 
Roger - on a color monitor/TT I've noticed screen redrawing problems. Things
don't always appear as they seem, but leaving a screen and returning to it
generally corrects it.  If only the CodeHeads would buy the rights to Pha$ar
:)
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 72        Sun Oct 18, 1992
MIKE.KELLER [ST Aladdin]     at 19:14 EDT
 
It depends on the needs of the business as to whether PHA$AR will handle the
books adequately. For a service oriented biz (like photography), it is fine. I
and a couple of other photographers in my town use PHA$AR for finances.

 mike.k

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 73        Mon Oct 19, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 06:26 EDT
 
Chaz,

I don't know how to explain it. I changed part of a multiple transaction, got
no error, and it appeared it was being written to disk. I think I also
verified that the other parts HAD been changed, but can't be sure, now.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 74        Mon Oct 19, 1992
HUMPHRIES.JR [Roger]         at 18:20 EDT
 
Joe M,

Yeah , it _could_ be v4.08 -- gotta watch those fingers!

Thanks for the response.  Now that I know you have a TT running in high res, I
may have some more questions for you.  I have been having some very unusual
problems with mine, and you may have some comments or experience with your
machine that could help me track down the problem. I will be away on business
for the rest of this week, but will e-mail you sometime after I get back.  I
think the discussion may cross several topics.

Good suggestion -- I will write to Terrific Corp. and let them know.  Hope
everyone else with a TT/mono system does the same.

 -- Roger
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 75        Sun Nov 29, 1992
MIKE.KELLER [ST Aladdin]     at 20:21 EDT
 
OK, here's a Pha$ar question. I am a member of an investment club,
 where each member contributes money each month (the amount can vary,
 but is multiples of $10), then the group decides what stock to buy
 that month (or decides to hold the money if things aren't favorable).


 Now, independently of that, one might also decide to invest in stocks
 or mutual funds. How would one set that up as an account _and_ as an
 income, or would it be an expense and an income? Would one consider
 it an account like Visa (except hopefully positive), and then try to
 how ups and downs?


  mike.k




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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 76        Sun Nov 29, 1992
J.WISNIEWSK2 [Jeff - ST'er]  at 22:33 EST
 
  Mike,

Consider setting up an income account for the money that you have to spend and
have not used yet.  Then another account set up like a checking account to
handle the stocks/mutual funds.  Since both of them are basically money that
you can draw upon (not saying that you will, but that is how I look upon it),
this way the money only shows up once.  After that it is handled via transfers
from one account to another.

                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                ^^^^    JSW    ^^^^
                ^^^^   ST'er   ^^^^
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sunday, November 29, 1992 - 10:10:54 pm
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 77        Thu Dec 03, 1992
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 21:08 EST
 
Mike,

        It is hard to have a stock as an account because the value changes
from day to day.  Reconciliation would be a nightmare.  I tried it that way
for a while.

        I dont include my stocks as account, expenses, or income.  I have them
on my net worth statement with a cell for #of Shares, a cell for current price
and a cell that multiplys the 1st two cells. Then I have a cell that that adds
all the 3rd cells together for a total value of all stocks.  My mutual funds
are also set up the same way.
        I do however have nocashflow income and expense catagories for things
like commissions, cap. gains, dividends etc.
        I have a Schwabb 1 acct. that does have a margin acct. within it and I
keep the margin acct as an acct. in Phasar.

        Also on the subject of Phasar, its getting close to tax time.
 Has anyone started working on Phasar Tax Forms.  If so, what forms and can we
help eachother out?

                                                Bill Davis



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 78        Sat Dec 05, 1992
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 12:41 EST
 
I've played with the Phasar Tax before but its too labor intensive. You must
assign a code to all transactions for the Tax program to use your register. 
But what about Tax Wizard II from A&D?  Has anyone used this before.  Is it
simple and interactive like the tax programs for the DOS machines?
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 79        Sun Dec 06, 1992
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 20:02 EST
 
Ron,

  I'm sure I will be ordering Tax wizard soon. I hope they include the
estimated tax forms. Ask again in a couple of months and I'll tell you all
about it.

                                        Flakes

P.S. I have Phasar also... love it!
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 80        Mon Dec 07, 1992
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:23 EST
 
Ron,

        When you say A&D is interactive, what do you mean?  As far a Phasar
goes, if we had a bunch of different people, each making a different form, we
could really save a bunch of time.  I'd gladly share a Sch. E if I got a 1040,
Sch B, etc etc in return.  One person could be a coordinator and put it all in
an LZH for anyone to use. Do it each year and we would all be set up in
January to do projection for that year not to mention getting our taxes done
on time.  Hey maybe there even an accountant out there who would be interested
in joining in.  We COULD really get something going here. Oh well!  I know I'm
dreaming.


                                                Bill

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 81        Tue Dec 08, 1992
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 01:17 EST
 
Bill, Apparently TurboTax actually "interviews" you as an accountant would.
 I have never used it but it doesn't just fill out the forms.  It actually
helps determine how to file in order to pay the lowest legal tax.  I don't
know how good it is but I wanted to see if Tax Wizard is similar.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 82        Tue Dec 08, 1992
R.JANSSEN1 [DAMIAN]          at 21:19 EST
 
  Dosen't Phasar provide the updated tax forms with user upgrades?

          'Dig you later,    \\\\
                              o-o
                  Damian.      ~
               (R.JANSSEN1)   \_/

                              [X]

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 83        Wed Dec 09, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 23:15 EDT
 
Message: 82, left on December 8, 1992  From: R.JANSSEN1 [DAMIAN]


  > Dosen't Phasar provide the updated tax forms with user upgrades?


         No.


 >> Joe M << 


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 84        Thu Dec 10, 1992
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 20:58 EST
 
Ron,

        Sound nice!  If you decide to check it out, let me know what you
think.


Damian,

        It might upgrade a couple of the common forms, put they dont upgrade
every year as far as I know.

                                                Bill

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 85        Tue Dec 29, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 19:08 EST
 
It's the time of year that I write my year-end checks for charitable
contributions, and I'd like to use PHA$AR, as I did last year. If get this
thing working, I'll have to keep notes this time. I tried to use LaserBrain
with my SLM804 (I should have gotten tractor-feed checks for my dot-matrix
printer, but didn't), and am having trouble with creeping lines and the buffer
holding data. I'm using manual feed.

Can I set up the program to run without LaserBrain? Can anyone give me the
basic setup? Not specific locations on the check, but stuff like page length,
printer configuration, etc. I need help soon. I have to mail these before the
end of Thursday.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 86        Wed Dec 30, 1992
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:40 EDT
 
Ken,


         Since my set-up is different than yours I can only make a few
 suggestions that have helped me.


         First I know nothing of LaserBrain.  I'm more of a
 candleBrain myself.


         Most lasers cannot print a full 66 line, 11 inch page.  Most
 programs like Pha$ar expect a 66 line (6 lpi) page.  You may need to
 do some adjusting.


         Work with your set up in Pha$ar.  It's not too difficult to
 get right.


         Bu sure your Laser is turned on -before- you run Pha$ar.  It
 does not like it if it does not find a printer online when it loads.


         Pha$ar is funny about buffers and Lasers.  Without one it is
 very slow.  With many it will not print at all.  I am using CodeRam
 with no problems.


 >> Joe M << 



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 87        Wed Dec 30, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:06 EST
 
Thanks, Joe. I wonder if I used Diablo before. Or GDOS. I'll experiment.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 88        Wed Dec 30, 1992
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 19:54 EST
 
I got my contribution checks printed today, 42 of them, and in the mail before
the end of the year. The SLM804 worked like a charm with LaserBrain. Thanks
for the help, Joe.

I shortened the page length to 63 lines, and made sure I had the printer
turned on _before_ booting PHA$AR. I think the page length was probably not
the critical factor. After Joe mentioned it, I recalled hearing that printer
story before.

I entered all of the check data, and then did a search in the "view/edit"
option for the checks I had written, with the selections set for printing
checks and sorting by check number. That allowed me to experiment, because I
could select for printing any check I wanted to. I kept some that had printed
OK yesterday, and renumbered (in PHA$AR) some that had not come out so well.
(I noticed that renumbering the main item in a split series evoked a question
about renumbering the sub-items when in the "enter new" option, but only a
warning in the "view/edit" option. I thought the new version _always_ did an
update, but it doesn't. The slider on the listing of entries in the "enter
new" option allows the user to go back and edit previous entries and return to
entering by pressing ESC. That is where an update on splits occurs. It's a
nice feature.

Something strange happened while printing, and I recall having a problem with
it a year ago, also. Somehow the numbers of the checks get changed in PHA$AR
in the "view/edit" option. For example, I found that the numbers might go 43,
43, 44, 44, 45, 45, etc., when they had been input as 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, etc.
I had to do some renumbering to fix it. I just renumbered in the option,
clicked on the item that had the same number as the blank check I was holding,
and fed the check into the manually feed. It worked fine.

Ken Van Dellen
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 89        Thu Dec 31, 1992
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 14:00 EST
 
Can anyone suggest a simple way to handle this.  One of the most frequent
transactions that I do is transferring money from checking to cash via an ATM.
But version 4 cannot have another account as a frequent payee so you have to
enter the whole line manually (I know you are all crying out there for me!) 
To set up a standard transaction for this is not the answer since you would
always have to exit the enter transactions mode and then re enter (that's even
a lot of work to just think about it!).  Any ideas?
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 90        Thu Dec 31, 1992
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 17:08 EST
 
Ron,
        Why not a fast paste of a frequent transaction called "cash"

That is what I use for ATMs.

                                *******Brian*********
        Written on Thursday 31 December 1992 at 05:58 p.m. AST

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 91        Fri Jan 01, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 12:18 EST
 
Brian, by doing that you transfer money to a catagory called "cash" not to the
account "cash".  Money spent from your "cash" is not reflected in cash flow
and you cannot track where you spend your cash from (I think).  Let me know if
I'm wrong.  Thanks

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 92        Fri Jan 01, 1993
BRIAN.H [ST~SysOp]           at 15:01 EST
 
Ron,
        I stand corrected, you are right. Sorry, I am afraid to keep track of
my cash flow [grin].

                                *******Brian*********
        Written on Friday 01 January 1993 at 03:54 p.m. AST
 Have a Happy New Year everyone/Souhaiter la Bonne Annee a tout le monde!

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 93        Mon Jan 04, 1993
GRMEYER [Gordon/Sysop]       at 18:17 EST
 
Ron -   For my ATM txns I send them to Cash also.  Then I save the sales
receipts for things I buy and enter them under the Cash... account. Works fine
for me, but I use Pha$ar to track expense categories.  I don't use the 'cash
flow' option at all.  In fact, I have a feeling my method  might produce some
screwy cash flow results, but for me it's more important to see that I spent
$xxx on groceries and $yyyy on gasoline instead of the balance between income
and outgo. ;)

If Pha$ar isn't letting you set things up the way you want with the  standard
txns, don't forget about the ^L shortcut when entering transactions manually. 
It isn't as fast as the standard txns but it will retain all your amounts etc.
  Gordon
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 94        Mon Jan 04, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:53 EST
 
Ron and Brian,

        I've been using Phasar a long time now, and I think you better check
into the conclusion you just came to a bit closer.  As I understand it, the
cat. and acct. are basically on in the same. When you put something in the
cash ACCT. it is added to the Cash CAT.
 There are actually 2 Cash CATs. One is total cash, the other net cash.  In my
manual, it is explained on pg 140.  If you dont have the same manual, look in
the table of contents for a Chptr. on Transactions then look down til you come
to a topic called "Cash Account and Cash Transactions".
        Hope this helps some.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 95        Tue Jan 05, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 01:25 EST
 
Gordon, I appreciate your suggestion but to go to the trouble of entering
everything in Phasar and then not getting all the info possible out of it is
wasting one of the programs most valuable assets.  however Bill's
suggestion... Hmmm.  the manual, never did think about reading that
carefully..!!  I looked over the pages you suggested and YOU'RE RIGHT.  This
seems to be the solution and I tested it out.  It still tracks expesnses
correctly.  You see Gordon, your way would double the amount Phasar thinks you
are spending.  But thanks to both for your time in giving suggestions,  but I
like that Manual reading suggestion (I'll have to try that on some other
programs!!!).
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Message 96        Thu Jan 07, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:32 EST
 
Ron,

        Glad I could help someone else out for a change. :)


                                                Bill

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 97        Sat Jan 09, 1993
DAEDWARDS                    at 01:16 EST
 
Well, if you WANT to track your cash accurately, just set up an account named
"Currency" or something like that.

Pha$ar won't know that it's a cash account.  You will.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 98        Sat Jan 09, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 12:01 EDT
 
Message: 97, left on January 9, 1993  From: DAEDWARDS 


  >Well, if you WANT to track your cash accurately, just set up an
  >account named "Currency" or something like that.  Pha$ar won't know
  >that it's a cash account.  You will.


         Why did I not think of that..


 >> Joe M << 







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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 99        Sun Jan 10, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 18:43 EST
 
Why not use the built in CASH account?  It funny you should be talking of cash
spending because I've been having some questions about it.  The manual dosen't
really explain 'cash flows' very well, and the expense 'Cash...' is a non-cash
flow expense.

Does anyone know what this means?  Can anyone give a good example of non-cash
flow useage?  If I'm using the Cash... expense item, is this causing me to
skew my cash flow reports any?

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 100       Sun Jan 10, 1993
C.COOK7 [Cliff]              at 20:42 EST
 
John:

Cash Flow is Income - Expenses - Account Contributions.  If you mark one of
these as no cash flow, it will not be used in the equation.

All cash flow tells you is how much more money you have in your pocket and
bank accounts than you did at the beginning of the period.  That's why you
mark your bank accounts and credit card accounts as no cash flow.

Cliff

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 101       Mon Jan 11, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 21:12 EST
 
Daewards,

        I dont understand what it is you would gain from an account called
Currency?  What could you do with that that you cant do with the Cash Acct? 
If your talking about tracking to the last penney, you can do that with the
Cash Acct. as long as you are sure to enter every thing you spend.  If you
want to know how much cash you are suppose to have you can just look at the
netcash Cat.
        To All,

        Has anyone thought about electronic transfer of their Phasar Tax forms
to the IRS?  I've been working hard on mine and am concidering uploading some
of them for others to use.  Is there any interest in these things?

                                                Bill D.


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Message 102       Mon Jan 11, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:15 EST
 
All,

        Remember, Cash flow might be a negative amount also.  As for Cash
being nocashflow, there is a cash exspense and a net cash exspense.  Lets say
you write a check for $10 over purchase.  When you enter the transaction on
Phasar, you use spilt trans.  The purchase goes under the proper cat.
Groceries etc.  The Cash goes into cash cat.  When you put the $10. in cash,
it actually goes into to cats. Cash(cash total) and Net Cash(the amount of
cash you have left in your pocket, and or the cash you spent without enter the
spending in Phasar).
        Now when you spend cash and enter it into Phasar, the amount in Net
Cash will be reduced by the amount of that transaction, but the Cash total Cat
will remain the same.  So what you do is budget an amount that can be spent
without being entered into Phasar.  This budgeted amount SHOULD BE what is
left in Net Cash.
        When you go to an ATM and take money from your checking acct. that
should be transfered to the Cash acct.  This is actually puting money into the
total and net cash cats. and works just like the above example.  In other
words the account and cat. are the same thing.
        As for Credit cards etc. these accts. can be made cash flow or no cash
flow.  If you want to make sure you are bringing the balance down on an acct. 
make it a cashflow acct. and budget it for the amount you want it to come down
each month.  If you know you will pay it off each month, then just make it
nocashflow.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 103       Mon Jan 11, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 22:59 EST
 
Cliff,

Simple, concise and to the point!  Thanks a million!

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 104       Tue Jan 12, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 18:22 EST
 
Bill,

I, for one, would love to have a copy of your tax file!  When you're talking
about budgeting a charge account (leaving it a cash-flow account) what exactly
do you budget?  Can you make an account the same type of item like
"Groceries"?

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 105       Tue Jan 12, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 22:45 EST
 
Bill,

I figured out how to budget accounts (gee, just select the 'Account' button in
the budget screen - how unique!)

I'd still be interested in you tax templates!

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 106       Tue Jan 12, 1993
MIKE.KELLER [ST Aladdin]     at 23:09 EDT
 
 >Has anyone thought about electronic transfer of their Phasar Tax 
  >forms to the IRS?  I've been working hard on mine and am concidering 
  >uploading some of them for others to use.  Is there any interest in
  >these things?


 I thought you had to go to an authorized tax service and use their
 s/w (read: pay them to do what you should be able to do)?


  mike.k



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 107       Wed Jan 13, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 23:10 EST
 
John,

The term "cash flow" merely refers to your "flow of wealth" or what you spent
your Money on, not necessarily from cash alone.  Don't confuse cash flow with
what is happening in your cash account.

Ron


Bill,

I still don't understand why you wouldn't want to have your credit cards
included in cash flow.  If you track each individual charge and put them in
their proper cat.  (i.e. resturant) and then you have the card account as a
non cash flow, then you won't see these included in your totals for their
respective catagories.  Isn't this right?
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 108       Wed Jan 13, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 23:34 EST
 
Bill,

I was under the impression that in order to file your income tax
electronically, you had to use a specific tax preparer that was licensed (?)
to do this <so that they can charge an additional fees as well!!).

         Anna @ Atari Advantage

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 109       Wed Jan 13, 1993
K.CAVAGHAN2 [OakSprings]     at 23:53 EST
 
Hi All,

Could anyone tell me how to contact the people who are handling the clone
versions of Pha$ar?

Thanks,

Kent
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 110       Thu Jan 14, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:10 EDT
 
Message: 108, left on January 13, 1993  From: A.MASON4 [Anna]


  >  I was under the impression that in order to file your income tax
  >electronically, you had to use a specific tax preparer that was
  >licensed (?)


         I believe you are/were correct, but I believe what is being
 suggested is printing out IRS acceptable forms, to be mailed.


 >> Joe M << 







                 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~  more....




 Message: 109, left on January 13, 1993 From: K.CAVAGHAN2 [OakSprings]


  >  Could anyone tell me how to contact the people who are handling the
  >clone versions of Pha$ar?



         Coming to you direct from CardFile:


  Terrific Corporation
  29 St. Mary's Court
  Brookline , MA  02146
  Home phone: 1-617-731-3553
  Fax line: Pha$ar Program


 >> Joe M << 










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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 111       Thu Jan 14, 1993
K.CAVAGHAN2 [OakSprings]     at 21:49 EST
 
Thanks Joe,

My sister will very much appreciate it <G> (I told her not to sell her ST :}
).

Kent

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 112       Thu Jan 14, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:48 EST
 
John,

        Glad you were able to figure out how to budget accounts.  It really
can help bring thoughs balances down.
        As for the Tax templates, I hope to have them ready by the end of the
month.  For those of you who have keeped accurate records in Phasar, I will
(hopefully) have a list included of Tax Codes, either from the Phasar Manual
or that I made up if the manual didnt have them, so that you can just go into
your budget and enter the codes, then go into the Phastax.prg and fill in a
few cells ie. name SSN, verify the figures and your done.  The template will
include 1040 long, Sch A & B, and Form 8606(nondeductible IRA Contributions).
I am also concidering the IRA worksheets on Page 19 & 20 of the tax book.
        If anyone has comments, suggestions, or would like to make
contrbutions to the template, let me know either here or by E-mail.


Mike,

        You may very well be right!  I don't know.  That is why I brought it
up.  I dont see why we cant send E-mail to the IRS with our forms printed out
in ASCII?  I was hopeful that there might be someone with Ideas about this. 
Is there really something I can read on the subject?

                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 113       Fri Jan 15, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 00:08 EST
 
Ron,

        No thats not quite right.  Puting a charge account as Cash Flow is
done so that you can see how much money is going into or comming out of that
account.  Example:  George has put to many things on his Master Card.  Now he
wants to bring the balance back down over time.  To make sure he is bringing
the balance down, he makes it a Cash Flow acct.  He budgets $25. a month to
that account.  Now if he still spends to much money with his Master Card, say
$50. more than what he puts into that account, his Cash Flow Report will show -
$75. Cash Flow to that Acct(Note that was a negative amount).  Now that will
tell George that he had more money going out of his Master Card acct than he
had going in.  Also, his overall Cash Flow will be $75. more positive(or less
negative depending on Georges spending habits) than if he had not spent that
$50. and made a payment of $25.
        Making an acct. Cash Flow or NoCashFlow will have no effect on
exspense catagories.  Either way, if George uses his Master Card to go to the
restarant, and enters that into the Restarant Cat. the Restarant Cat. will
show the money spent.  If the Master Card acct. is made a Cash Flow acct
though, it will also show that much less going into the Master Card acct.
        Hope this helps, but if not let me know.

Anna,

        You are probably right!  Maybe what I need to do is ask Genie If they
have a way to do it, or if it must be done through a licensed Preparer.
        I just feel as Mike Keller does, that we do have the ability to do it
so it SHOULD be allowed.

Joe,

        I have used my Phasar forms in the past to mail my return without any
problem.  If I cant send them E-mail, I will use them via U.S.P.S.

                                                Bill


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 114       Fri Jan 15, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 20:38 EST
 
Bill,

I would like to contribute some help making the templates.  If you could tell
me the ones which you have not gotten to and would like to include, please let
me know.  I've done some work with the templates (making a net worth statement
and a consumables expense report) so I may be able to muddle through on a
simple one.

The budgeting accounts was a _real_ help in making a realistic budget.  Let me
give an example on how helpful this is.

I have been putting $150 a month into my savings account for school. The month
my bill is due I have $1200 budgeted in the 'Education' expense.  I transfer
$700 from the Savings to checking that I have saved and pay the bill.  Even
though I have a close to $0 cash flow for the month, I find myself with plenty
of money in my checking account!

What happened?  I didn't budget for the influx of $700 from my savings
account.  Usinf the Accounts budget, I budget my savings account for -$700
that month and, viola, my cash flow is now faithfully reflecting how much
money I have to spend.

Thanks all,

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 115       Fri Jan 15, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:44 EST
 
Bill,

I agree with you 100%!  Here we all sit with modems and the ability to 'send'
our own tax forms to the IRS, but we can't!  I'm sure that there is a valid
reason <besides the $$$ side of it....hmmph!>.

                      Anna @ Atari Advantage :^)
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 116       Sat Jan 16, 1993
DAEDWARDS                    at 01:27 EST
 
J.Gniewkowsk:

Some people were trying to do things which they said the Cash... account
wasn't doing.  But which ordinary accounts do.

So using an ordinary account (i.e. not "Cash...") as a cash account is one
solution.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 117       Sat Jan 16, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 08:51 EST
 
John,

That's "Voila!", not viola. <grin> Your fans are going to wonder how to fiddle
(uh, viola) with their cash flow.

When I transfer money, I just put the destination account in as payee. For
example, Savings 1/15/93 Checking [I think it automatically puts XFER OUT in
the next location] $700; then it automatically puts in Checking 1/15/93
Savings [I think it puts XFER IN in the next location] $700. I'm not into cash
flow, so I don't know if that is done right or not.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 119       Sun Jan 17, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 08:07 EST
 
John,

        I am near completion with the forms I will be using in Phasar.  What I
had in mind when I mentioned contributions, was forms that others may have
need for or would like to see in a template that is to be uploaded.

        So John, if you want any other forms that I have not mentioned, or if
someone else has a request for certain forms, I'd be glad to have those forms
made so that I might include them.  Who knows, I might need them myself
someday.  One form I might suggest is a Schedule E.  I dont need one, but I
have in the past and someone else may love to have it included.

        I'm also glad to hear that I was able to help you in budgeting
accounts.  Another way to use that feature is this.  I do not have budget Cat.
for vacation.  I have a savings Acct. that I have named Vacation.  I budget a
certain amount to that Acct. and at Vacation time I make a NoCashFlow
withdrawel from that Acct.  Works great.


Anna,


        Are you absolutely sure that we cant send our returns in via E-mail? 
If so I will give up the Idea right now.  If not, let push for it and see what
we can find out.
        I KNOW there must be a whole lot of people that want to file this way.
There is STRENTH in numbers....:)


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 120       Sun Jan 17, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 08:37 EST
 
John,

        Ken Van is correct.  I do transfers that way all the time. Another
interesting point, you can include transfers as part of a multiple transaction
too!
        Suppose you want to put $25 from Checking to savings.  Lets say you
are going to have Phasar print a check to do this also.  You wont want the
payee on the check to say "Savings", you will want it to have the name of the
institution where the savings acct. is.  To do this, put the payee name you
want on the check in under payee, then under catagory enter SPL for (Split
Transaction).  Next enter the check # and the $25. amount.  Phasar will then
ask for the 1st exspense catagory.  Now type in XFER.  Phasar will then bring
you back to the payee entry on the 2nd line of the Split Transaction. you can
now enter the acct. you want to transfer the money to.  you then just finish
the transaction as you normally would.  When you go to print the check, the
payee will be the name of the bank where your savings acct. is.
        This is just a little trick which has come in handy for me. Hope I
didnt bore any one.

                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 121       Sun Jan 17, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 16:07 EST
 
Ken,

Danm, tranpsoing lettres again!  I've been fiddling with my cash flow trying
to keep it from always going negative, But violaing with it?

I use the cash flow to see if my budgets are in order - it's pretty useful to
me (my wife an I can go out and spend $250 a month on resturants, so sticking
to a budget is important!)

Bill,

The XFER trick is a great undocumented feature!  For the past three years, I
really only 'violaed' around with Phasar, but withthe new year and all I
decided to buckle down and have recently realized how powerful it is.  Thanks
a million for your help and templates!

Thanks,

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 122       Sun Jan 17, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 17:54 EST
 
John and anyone else interested,

        I have discovered a problem.  There doesnt seem to be a way to add
forms to the Phasar.tax file other than to make them.  This is not a major
problem, because if someone needed a form that wasnt in their Phasar. tax
file, but they were able to d/l it, they could put it in a seperate Phasar.tax
file and use it that way (it just would not be able to automaticly share info
with the other Phasar.tax file).

******************WARNING WARNING WARNING**************************

        I just had a big set back!  If you are making tax forms in Phasar, DO
NOT ALLOW THERE TO BE TOO MANY CELLS REFERENCING NONEXSISTING CELLS!!!!  I was
renaming forms.  This is done by cloning & deleting.  To make a long story
short, Cells were referencing cells on other forms with the old names.  Ram
must have overloaded or something because I was making a back-up, everything
locked up, the back-up didnt complete, and both the back-up and original were
DESTROYED!!!!  I was 3/4ths done.  OH HEAVY SIGH!!
        I'm not giving up though.  I am able to do SOME salvage.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 123       Mon Jan 18, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:13 EST
 
John,

Hee hee!

Bill,

Thanks for the XFER idea. Sorry about the bad luck.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)


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Message 124       Mon Jan 18, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 18:06 EST
 
Bill,

I figured that you would have to do all the work in one PHASAR.TAX file (after
volunteering my services, I thought, "Well, great, how is he supposed to merge
this?")

Sorry to hear about the lockup.  Weird that it trashed your files, though -
were you in PHASAR when it happened?

 John E. Gniewkowski
 GEnieLamp ST Editor

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 125       Tue Jan 19, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 00:59 EST
 
Bill, the XFER idea is great and solves the problems I've had in standard
transactions.  Right now I'm using 4.03.  My understanding is that the latest
version of PHA$AR updates all parts of a multiple transaction automatically. 
If you have the latest version, does your trick work?  Secondly, how did you
find out about this since it is not in the manual?
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 126       Wed Jan 20, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 07:29 EST
 
Ken Van & John,

        Thanks for the sympathys!  I'm just about back to were I was before
the crash.  I find that the experience I gained from working on it so much
before the lock-up has made my progress since, much faster.
        At the time of the crash I was in Phastax and using Maxifile as an ACC
to back-up the tax file to floppy.  I think what happenned is that I just over
taxed(no pun intended) RAM.  I had just Cloned and deleted a bunch of forms to
change their names.  Many Cells were referencing other Cells that nolonger
existed because the forms were deleted.  Also I figured out later that it does
no good to back-up this way unless you first do a "Save Tax File".  Phasar
doesnt Save every time you back out of a form, just when you quit the program.
So RAM must have been very busy and just got Pi??ed off and decided to teach
me a thing or 2.
        Oh well!  Heres to beening older and wiser.


                                                Bill D.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 127       Wed Jan 20, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 08:06 EST
 
Ron,

        I have the latest version, and yes it does update all parts of
multiple transactions most of the time.  If for some reason it cant, it tells
you.  If you do a view edit and only part of a multiple transaction is there
and you change that part, other parts are not updated automaticly.  And yes my
trick does also work in the latest version.  Also my good friend the "trick"
is in the manual. It is on Pg 179 in my book.  It is in Chapter 15 under
expenses.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 128       Thu Jan 21, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 23:58 EST
 
Bill, there's that "reading the manual" trick again;  even the boring parts of
the manual!!

Ron
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 129       Sat Jan 23, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:39 EST
 
Bill,

Read page 3 of your 1040 tax return booklet.  The way I interpret it is even
though you may prepare your own return, you would still have to take it to a
tax preparer and/or firm that has been approved by the IRS; an approved
transmitter must sign a form (Form 8453).

            Anna @ Atari Advantage
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 130       Sun Jan 24, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:37 EST
 
Ron,

        What can I say.  :D   Having used Phasar since the day I bought my
first Atari, I've had to go to the manual a lot.  I did'nt start using a BBS
like this till recently so I had no one to ask. Now that I'm on one, I ask a
lot more questions than I answer, so I'm very happy to have this topic where I
can help others out.  You know, what goes around comes around.

        Next Question Please?

Anna,

        Yes I agree with you.  I read that myself since my last message about
it.  Sure is unfair I think!  I also noticed though, on the same page,
something about form 1040PC.  I called the Tele-Tax # to find out more.  It
doesnt sound like something we can use on Phasar yet.  To file a 1040PC you
must use IRS aproved software. Does anyone have any input on this?  You'd
think we could at least create 1040PCs on Phasar and file thoughs.  Maybe,
there is some Atari software that is IRS approved to file 1040PCs?


                                                Bill D.



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 131       Mon Jan 25, 1993
P.SCHMIT3 [Phil]             at 01:47 EST
 
        While entering entries tonight, I came upon a small problem. Is there
a limit on the amount of splits one transaction may have? I had one ticket
that had about 25 splits, and after 19 it didn't prompt for the amount
remaing. I got it handled, but I was just wondering.

                                                Phil

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 132       Mon Jan 25, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:02 EST
 
        Of course there is a ST1040.  The only problem is I have a TT
 and a 520.  My 520 has been upgraded to 1 meg; maybe I can call it a
 ST1040 <grin>


 >> Joe M << 
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 133       Tue Jan 26, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:24 EST
 
Phil,

        Wow!!  I have never had that problem, but 25 SPLITS?  It may have
something to do with saving the data.  After so many transactions, Phasar does
update the .REG.  Do you have a hard disk? Is it possible you have filled you
disk to full?
        Another possiblity might be, did you at some point enter an amount,
then tab back and change something?  That sometimes seems to cause Phasar to
lose track, esspecially if you entered an amount that would have been more
that the remaining amount of the whole transaction.
        Let us know if you find out anything for sure.  Good luck!


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 134       Wed Jan 27, 1993
P.SCHMIT3 [Phil]             at 22:56 EST
 
Bill,

        Yes I have a hard drive, and it is not full. In fact I did what you
suggested, I tabbed back when I noticed that the amount remaining was no
longer there, just a blank. I couldn't find anything wrong so I went ahead
completed the transaction, when I got down to where it should be zero, the
program wanted more data. So I tabbed back to the beginning and checked each
amount, same thing. Then I totaled the ticket up on the adding machine to make
sure the total was right, it was, so I deleted the whole transaction and did
it over, this time extra special careful, no tabbing back with the same
result. I did notice that after the 25th split the payee column was blank.

        I have a body shop and I'm attempting to use Phasar for the
bookkeeping. I have one vehicle that got whacked real hard, needed alot of
parts, hence the huge split.

        Thanks for any help.



                                                Phil
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 135       Thu Jan 28, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 00:14 EST
 
Bill,

How's the tax file coming along?  I'm interested in seeing what you've come up
with!

 Sincerly,

 John E. Gniewkowski
 Editor, GEnieLamp ST

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 136       Thu Jan 28, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 23:03 EST
 
Phil,

        This one may be beyond me to figure out for you.  I don't know if this
is still a valid #, but you might try calling 1-415-957-0886 to see if Antic
can help you.
        Another idea is to make it two separate transaction dividing the total
by 2.  Phasar isn't really meant to run a business, however I'd probably use
it if I were you too.  Also, try making sure that, if you have a long
transaction like that, that there are no other transactions ahead of it.  In
other words, if you are entering transactions, and you come to a long one like
that, exit out of Transaction mode and go back in to enter that big one.  I
don't know if any of this will work or if it is worth it or you have some
other problem causing this behavior, but it's all I can come up with.  Good
luck and keep us posted.

John,

        As you have probably heard, we here in the N.W. had a big storm.  I
was without power for 4 days last week.  I therefore was unable to work on it
during that time and also had to catch up on some other things and clean up
after the storm.  Needless to say, I'm a bit behind schedule, after the lock-
up I had and the storm, but It is comming along quite nicely now, and I hope
to be done by Sunday.
        I think it might be a good idea to have one or two people try it out
before I put it in the library.  John, how would you like to be one of those
people?


                                                Bill D.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 137       Fri Jan 29, 1993
P.SCHMIT3 [Phil]             at 00:09 EST
 
Bill,

        I have read that in this topic, that Phasar is not meant for business,
but it is really handy and informing to see the printed reports come spewing
out. To be honest I have also been using Quicken under emulation, but it is s-
o-o s-l-o-w! I want Phasar to work for two reasons, mainly because the ST is
much easier to operate and the Number One reason that I want it to work is I
don't want to give up on Atari!

        Also I don't think starting with a fresh Enter New will work either
because that's what I did the second time around and still the same result.
Actually I probably wouldn't have to split each ticket, but I want the part
numbers and descriptions for each part in the file in case I need to look
something up (such as getting overcharged).

        Thanks for your replies.

                                                Phil
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 138       Fri Jan 29, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 05:48 EST
 
        The only suggestion I have is to split the transactions into
 two entries.


 Pha$ar support:


  Terrific Corporation
  29 St. Mary's Court
  Brookline , MA  02146
  1-617-731-3553


 >> Joe M << 

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 139       Fri Jan 29, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:59 EST
 
Phil,

A workaround might be to have two transactions with half of the splits on the
same day. Oh, I see Bill had the same idea.

I doubt that the ANTIC number is valid. I would recommend you contact
Psygnosis (617) 731-3553 [voice], 731-8379 [FAX] for tech support. (The
numbers are in the front of your manual. The Marksman number is there, too,
but it says to call Psygnosis for tech support.)

Ken Van Dellen d8^)
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Message 140       Sat Jan 30, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 01:08 EST
 
Bill,

No, I wasn't aware of your storm!  I hope everything is okay and that nothing
was damaged too bad - mother nature can be rough!

Yes, I would like to test out the file.  E-Mail it to me whenever you have the
chance.

John

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 141       Sat Jan 30, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 16:49 EST
 
Phil,

        One last note:  If you decided that Phasar did cut the mustard, there
is other Atari software made for running a business. You wouldn't have to give
up on Atari.  Also Quicken is no more made for business than Phasar.


Ken Van,

        Thanks for the help on the Phone #.  I knew there was something there
I was forgetting.  :)

                                                Bill D.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 142       Sat Jan 30, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 17:34 EST
 
John,

        I still am hoping to be done by Sunday.  It may not be as complete as
I hope it to be, but should be useful.  It will be done to a point that it
would be good to have someone else try it out and give feedback.  Sooooo
hopefully, I'll have something to send you tomorrow.
        I'm also wondering how many people will use it, and if a new topic in
the RT is warrented?  I intend to make a Readme.txt file, but I still expect I
may get a lot of questions about it.

        Darlah!  What do you think?

        BTW John, you probably wont have that Readme file by tomorrow so here
is one thought for you.  The first thing you should do is make a copy of the
file for 1993, BEFORE you make any changes to it for 1993.

                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 143       Sat Jan 30, 1993
DARLAH [RT~SYSOP]            at 21:45 EST
 
You can always start a topic and we can see where it goes in regards to
activity.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 144       Sun Jan 31, 1993
P.SCHMIT3 [Phil]             at 01:15 EST
 
Bill, Van Ken, & Joe,

        Thanks for the feedback. I didn't mean to imply that I was a weenie on
Atari, I've been solid Atari since 1984 or 1985, I've got an 800XL and 130XE
(remember them?!) around here some where, and I've had my ST for about 5
years. What other software would you recommend? Keep in mind I'm no
accountant.

        I did split the transaction into 3 seperate transactions and I did get
it all in, I quess I just wondered if anyone else has had this happen. Out of
all the software I've had I've never called any tech support, I've written two
letters, with one reply, no satisfaction from either. I either figure it out
for myself or forget about it. Anyway thanks for all the help.

                                                Phil

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 145       Sun Jan 31, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 11:28 EST
 
Phil,


         I have found some Tech supports very good and worth while.  I
 have had to call them more than once.  Often I have found a bug they
 have been working on and I end up with a program update that fixes
 the problem or they give me a simple fix.  Not that it is always
 good, sometimes I hit someone who does not know and could care less. 


         There is a business accounting package or two for the Atari
 ST line.  One I believe has a demo in the library.  You might try a
 search for accounting.  If I remember right it is a older version so
 the current version should be an improvement over the demo.  I also
 believe it is a rather complex program so you should not expect to
 find all the features from just hacking around in the demo.


 >> Joe M << 
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 146       Sun Jan 31, 1993
G.KICHOK [Gerry Kichok]      at 13:42 EST
 
Phil, You probably already have all the limit settings pretty high if you are
using Pha$ar for business purposes. BUT the one thing you might check is the
MAX number of _transactions_ per month. This might be what is upsetting
Pha$ar. Gerry %)


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 147       Sun Jan 31, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 18:16 EST
 
 >I either figure it out for myself or forget about it.

Or ask your friends here.

Some tech support is very good. I don't know about Psygnosis, but they were
very helpful when I wanted to upgrade.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 148       Sun Jan 31, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 20:45 EST
 
Darlah,

        OK!  Thanks.


Phil,

        There is a program called Accounts 2.0.  I've never used or seen it,
but it sounds like just what you might want if you decide that Phasar wont do
it.  Again though, if you are comfortable with Phasar, stick with that. 
Accounts 2 is Available from DMC Publishing and is designed for the first-time
user of a business computer system.


John,

        It will be one more day before I am done with the Tax file. I got
stuck with a big loop.  It is actually a loop that exists in way the IRS has
you figure Taxable IRA contributions.  I have found a way around it though and
I just have a couple more hrs work.  I'm just out of time today.

                                                Bill D.



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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 149       Sun Jan 31, 1993
POTECHIN [Nathan]            at 20:48 EST
 
STAccounts 2.0 is a double-entry accouting program, totally GEM- based, which
can be obtained from DMC. The original programmers left the Atari market some
time back though so all we can do is help you use it.

Nathan @ DMC
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 150       Mon Feb 01, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:14 EST
 
Did I suggest Best Accounts?


 >> Joe M << 
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 151       Tue Feb 02, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 00:01 EST
 
All,

I have uploaded a Phasar Tax file to the library.  Let me no if you use it, if
you need help or have questions?


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 152       Tue Feb 02, 1993
J.FOUCH [JIM FOUCH]          at 20:41 EST
 
I have been using the old version (3.?) of PHA$AR for a few years. I just
bought the new version 4.08 dated 3-2-92. Does anyone know if this is the
latest version.

--- Jim Fouch


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 153       Wed Feb 03, 1993
T.HORNIG [Thomas]            at 03:29 EST
 
Hi,

I just downloaded the tax files and have a little problem: I just recently
became a united states resident and this is going to be my first income tax
return! I need to find out about some codes like MEDICARE
     DBL
     STATE THE ONLY CODES I GOT ARE THE 1988 VERSION IN MY PHASAR MANUAL PAGE
223 I got version 4.6 some help would be nice thanks Thomas
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 154       Wed Feb 03, 1993
J.MEEHAN3 [>> Joe M << ]     at 06:12 EST
 
Jim,


         I believe version 4.08 is the latest.


 >> Joe M << 
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 155       Wed Feb 03, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 14:28 EST
 
Bill,

Just downloaded it and took a quick glance, it looks _BEAUTIFUL_! The net
worth report is particularly noteworthy, outstanding job.

The only glitch I've found is the IRA form has YES in both the single and
married/joint fields (although I checked M/J on the 1040).

 Sincerly,

 John E. Gniewkowski
 Editor, GEnieLamp ST

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 156       Wed Feb 03, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:47 EST
 
Jim,

        As far as I know, this is the latest version (4.08).  That is the
version I have.


All,

        The Tax file I have been working on is now in the library. Let me know
if you have problems with it.  If you use the IRS Chart, there are only 2
cells you should need to do anything to.  You will recongnize them because the
have questions associated with them. Both must be answered in the cells. 
EVERYONE SHOULD ANSWER THE QUESTIONS!!!!  They are "Did you live with your
spouse" and "Did your spouse work".  One is in the 1st part of the Chart, the
other is near the front of Worksheet 1.

        Also, DO FORM 1040 DOWN TO LINE 30 (SKIPPING LINES 16,24A, & 24B)
BEFORE YOU TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THE IRA CHART!!!

        If you have an amount for line 16 and line 24a or 24b, let me know.

        Hope it helps some of you.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 157       Wed Feb 03, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 23:49 EST
 
Thomas,

        I'm not sure I understand your Question.  What is DBL?  Are you
talking about Medicare you recieved or paid.  In the Tax file I thought I put
tax codes (Some of which came from my own head) in for any cell that could use
them.  I need to know more about what it is your having trouble with.


John,

        That does happen sometimes and I could'nt seem to get rid of it. 
However, If you highlight that cell in browse mode, hit return 3 times, click
on OK, and recalculate, it will correct itself.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 158       Thu Feb 04, 1993
T.HORNIG [Thomas]            at 00:17 EST
 
BILL,

I boss told me today that DBL goes on the report as CASDI along with some
other stuff. Where should I put this? about these codes I don't know how to
let Phasar know what to tax and what not.

Here are the categories on my W2 Form:

Federal Income tax withheld $... Wages, Tips, Other Compensations $... Social
Security tax withheld $.... Medicare Tax Withheld $.... State/Local Income tax
$... Other: CASDI $...

Would be great if you could help me on this!

Thomas

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 159       Thu Feb 04, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 21:03 EST
 
All,

I have to correct something I said earlier about the Tax file.  About the 2
questions in the IRA Chart, I said they both have to be answered.  Well what I
should have said is, they both must be `X'ed if they are true, even if they
dont apply.  For example, if your Filing Status is Married filing jointly, and
you lived with your spouse, you must put an X in the cell by the question "If
you lived with your Spouse during the year, check this box."  No matter what
your situation, if you lived with your spouse, put an X in that cell.

John,

        You will find that when you put an X in that box, you will no longer
get that "yes" in the married filing separately cell.


P.S. to all

The same applies to the cell at the beginning of Worksheet 1.  It must be
check if the statement with it is true.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 160       Thu Feb 04, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 21:33 EST
 
Thomas,

        First off, I have never heard of DBL or CASDI.  Can anyone else help
Thomas on this?
        Next, in reguards to codes, if you look at the cells in the tax file I
made and you downloaded, many of them will have something like this "\103" in
them.  any time you see a "\" infront of a number like that, it is a code I
used to tell Phasar to go to the budget catagories and find one with a code
that matches the number after the "\".  So what you need to do is to determine
the catagories that have amounts that go in that cell and give them that code.
For instance, \130 is Unemplyment Compensation.  If you recieved unemployment
during 1992 you should have an income budget catagory for it and you should
give it the code 130.  Now Phasar will put that amount in that cell.
        As for what is on your W-2, Thomas you are really going to have to tak
a look in the Tax booklet for Form 1040.  It gives instructions on all this
things.  It goes throuh the form 1040 line by line.  Take a look at it and
then if I you need more help let me know.  Remember though, I am not an
account and cannot give Tax advise.  I can really only help you to understand
how to use the Phasar Tax file I uploaded.
        Hope this helps some.  :)


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 161       Fri Feb 05, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:21 EST
 
 >However, If you highlight that cell in browse mode, hit return 3
 >times, click on OK, and recalculate, it will correct itself.

...and turn around 3 times with your eyes closed under a full moon? ;^)

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 162       Fri Feb 05, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 23:11 EST
 
Joe, and all,

The latest version of Pha$ar is 4.09.

Terrific (617) 731-3553


Doug7

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 163       Fri Feb 05, 1993
A.PEERAND [andy]             at 23:30 EST
 
Thomas,

CASDI is Calif. State Disabilty Ins. It is treated as a state income deduction
on your fed forms.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 165       Sat Feb 06, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 07:51 EST
 
I wonder what the last 0.01 adds to 4.08.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 166       Sat Feb 06, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 10:42 EST
 
  Thanks Ken Van!  I almost forgot about that.  Yes, you must turn around 3
times with your eyes closed under a full moon cause thats the hokey pokey, and
thats what its all about.     :D


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 167       Sat Feb 06, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 11:02 EST
 
Doug,

        Whats the difference between $.08 & 4.09?


Andy,

        Thanks for clearing that up.

                                                        Bill D.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 168       Sat Feb 06, 1993
J.BOSSOLINI1                 at 12:57 EST
 
I just received my upgrade to Pha$ar on Thursday (2/4/93) and it says Pha$ar
4.09, 1/18/93.  I don't know what the changes from 4.08 were, since there was
no documentation with it, but it did include a 1040 and schedule A for 1992
taxes!

Joe
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 169       Sat Feb 06, 1993
T.HORNIG [Thomas]            at 20:47 EST
 
Thanks for the hint on CASDI, but on what form do I write this, my SocSec and
my Medicare ???

How much is it to update from 4.06 to 4.09 where can I get the update?

By the way ever since I installed the new 92 taxfiles my computer freezes in
certain screens like the expense screen I always have to reboot and go to
PHA$AR to add or change any of the tax codes in the income/expense screens I
figure it's because I use 4.06. would be nice if I could avoid that.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 170       Sat Feb 06, 1993
A.MASON4 [Anna]              at 21:10 EST
 
Thomas,

FICA taxes are sometimes divided by employers into two deductions instead of
one <normally referred to as your Social Security tax>.....regardless of which
method is used the total amount deducted from your paycheck is the same.

For example:

a.  the percentage used for FICA when it is the only listed deduction is 7.65%
of your gross pay <for each pay period>.

b.  the percentage when it is split is Social Security -- 6.2% and Medicare --
1.45%

Hope this helps.

Anna


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 171       Sat Feb 06, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 22:39 EST
 
Joe,

What are the upgrade requirements and price (if you know)?  I have 4.03, so I
must be _waaaaay_ behind the power curve, being the upgrade maven that I am!

Thanks for the info, and if you don't know, I'll be calling Terrific on
Monday, and I'll post and let everyone knows how it went on Monday night!

 Sincerly,

 John E. Gniewkowski
 Editor, GEnieLamp ST

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 172       Sun Feb 07, 1993
D.WALTER7 [Doug Walter]      at 01:41 EST
 
Bill - I don't know yet.  I ordered an upgrade from 3.02 (yah, I know), and it
hasn't arrived yet.  I'll probably never know the _minor_ differences ;-)

But somethin tells me it's gonna be a whole lot different than 3.02!

Doug7





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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 173       Sun Feb 07, 1993
A.PEERAND [andy]             at 12:12 EST
 
Thomas

CASDI has nothing to do with SocSec or Medicare. it is treated the same as an
state income tax deduction on your federal forms,(scd A). If you had 2 or more
employers last year, read the state tax booklet on how to claim a refund on
the excess amount.(if any)

Andy
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 174       Sun Feb 07, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 13:55 EST
 
Thomas,

        Your computer, I dont believe is really freezing.  I have noticed this
problem too.  I think that the file is so big, with so many calculations that
it has really slowed down certain operations. I think if you check your drive
you will see that it is busy and I have found that I can wait it out.  I do
recomend writing down code that you wish to add, change or delete, and then go
into the regualar Phasar program for that.  It saves a lot of time.
        Note: you will have a similiar problem when you make changes to some
of the cell.  If you see that your HD light blinking away it will stop, it is
just working hard.


Doug,

        You will notice a lot of change between 3.02 and 4.09, I'm sure.

All,

        I have found that I also need a Schedule D.  I have therefore added to
my own copy of the template a Schedule D.  I am omitting Parts VI & VII as I
don't need them.  It will be done today.  If I uploaded it, would any of you
use it?  If I don't get substancial response I won't bother.  So let me know.

                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 175       Sun Feb 07, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 16:03 EST
 
 >        One last note:  If you decided that Phasar did cut the mustard,
there


  It's "...cut the muster."
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 176       Sun Feb 07, 1993
K.VANDELLEN [Ken Van]        at 16:28 EST
 
Thanks for clearing that up, Bill.

Maybe the difference in versions is the 1992 tax schedule.

Thomas,

        Pysgnosis
        29 St. Mary's Court
        Brookline, MA 02146

        Voice (617) 731-3553
        FAX   (617) 731-8379

Cost is around $25, I think.

Ken Van Dellen d8^)
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 177       Mon Feb 08, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 00:36 EST
 
Thomas,

I also had the problem with freezing and bombing.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 178       Mon Feb 08, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 21:25 EST
 
Flakes,

        Can you prove that......:D


Ken Van,

        Thats just what I was thinking.  I hope they aren't updating 2 forms
and charging $25. for that every year.  At least if that is what is going on
It should be made clear.  I do want to have the latest best working version of
Phasar, but I sure dont want to pay for updated tax file forms unless there
are some awful major changes in them.


                                                Bill D.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 179       Mon Feb 08, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 22:11 EST
 
Ron,

        I'm am sorry to hear that you are having problems.  I'd like to help. 
This upload was my way of trying to help others as I have recieved so much
help here online.
        At what point did the tax file bomb on you?  Did you see my previous
post to Thomas about the freezing?  How much RAM do you have?  The file is
working fine for me.  Let me know just what is happening and maybe we can get
it working right for you.


                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 180       Wed Feb 10, 1993
R.KOHORN [RON]               at 02:01 EST
 
Bill,

You were right.  The program doesn't actually freeze, it just works hard and
long!  What is taking so long with this seemingly simple addition to the
files?

Thanks for putting what must have been an enormous amount of work into this
project.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 181       Wed Feb 10, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 19:15 EST
 
  Well, "Cut the muster" is a military term. I can't imagine why anyone would
want to slice mustard.
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 182       Wed Feb 10, 1993
K.HEINRICHS [K.Heinrichs]    at 23:12 EST
 
FYI - For those of you that have or are thinking of buying a HP LaserJet 4 and
wondering if Pha$ar is compatible, the answer is yes. Here is what I found
that works. A must is using a fixed spacing font (I use font 0). Then I set my
preferences as follows:

 Printer type: Custom
 Reset String:
 Indent Colums: 0
 Pause after <FF>: No
 Lines per page: 60
 CR/LF combination: <CR> & <LF>
 132- col Mode: Yes
 132-col on string: <27>(s0p16.67H
 132-col off string: <27>(0p12H

Hope this helps those having trouble.

K.Heinrichs


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 183       Thu Feb 11, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 21:09 EST
 
Ron,

        Exactly why the program slows in some operations, I'm not sure.  I
think there may be a loop that I have overlooked or something.  There is so
much referencing from cell to cell, form to form, its just hard to say.  I
think though that once you have it set-up for your specific needs, I will
serve you just fine.
        The file has been a lot of work, but I'd like it to be better.  I'll
be continueing to work on it from time to time this year and hope to have
something better for next year complete with instructions.  It will include a
Sch. D and probably a Sch. D1.  I want it to be so automactic that people can
just sit down for an hour or so and have their current year taxes done and
have a projection for next year(provided they don't need forms that aren't
included.
        As you probably noticed, I tried to make it so that once you enter
your filing status, and checked a couple of things on the IRA chart, the thing
will automaticly put yours and your spouses IRA deduction in the proper cell. 
This might be why the thing is slow at times.  That required a lot of (and)
and (or) type functions.
        Well Ron, I hope it is working OK for you and let me know if you have
any other questions.

Flakes,

        Your probably right!  But isn't mustard a plant or something that that
the workers in the field used to have to cut, but when they get to hold, they
can't cut the MUSTARD any more?  hmmmmm!  Hey! This sound like a new
topic...........(HaHa)  I think we better give this serious
investigation.....:D


                                                        Bill D.


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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 184       Fri Feb 12, 1993
J.GNIEWKOWSK [GE-Lamp ST]    at 06:53 EST
 
Here's the scoop.  I called Psygnosis and talked to a person who was pretty
well versed in the Atari version.  He said the upgrade cost was determined by
the time of the upgrade (there hasn't been one for quite awhile), some
improved (invisible to the user) code, and new tax templates.

From what I gathered, if your current version (mine is 4.03) is working, I'd
hesitate to spend the $24.95 upgrade fee.  He couldn't point to any new
features, but that could be because he wasn't 'expert' in the Atari version.

Caveat Emptor,

John
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 185       Fri Feb 12, 1993
J.BOSSOLINI1                 at 23:59 EST
 
I previously had ver. 4.01, and I was getting quite frustrated with the way it
drops characters, even with Quick ST installed. My new version, 4.09, has yet
to drop one character, even without an accelerator installed!  The $25 was not
much for me, since I only payed $10 for my original to someone who was
upgrading (??) to an  IBM w/ Quicken.

Joe
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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 186       Sat Feb 13, 1993
W.DAVIS20 [Bill]             at 12:11 EST
 
John,

        Thanks for that input.  Its kinda what I thought was the situation.  I
already spent the money awhile back.  I think I noticed a slight increase in
speed of the main program.



                                                Bill D.

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Category 6,  Topic 13
Message 187       Sat Feb 13, 1993
O-ZONE [Flakes]              at 14:27 EST
 
I give up! Back to lurking...
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