======================================================= Subject: WEIGHT LOSS ARCHIVE of BBS Messages - CATegory 10, TOPic 30 from 5/10/91 thru 5/18/93 ======================================================= ************ Topic 30 Fri May 10, 1991 NASS [Joni] at 23:58 EDT Sub: !!! Vice Removal Support Group - Diet Want to lose weight? Find lots of friendly support right here! Please note: since topics automatically close when they reach 1000 messages, we will be periodically deleting messages from here and archiving them to the library. 406 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 1 Wed Feb 19, 1992 C.RIFENBURG [Connie] at 19:21 EST Hi all! Sorry I haven't been posting in the last few days... I sure have been =reading= tho! Congrats to all of you who met your first goal (and beyond!) And then there are =us= .... I am walking to get the newpaper each day (Thanks Sharon for your congrats e- mail too). I don't really think of it as exercise (since I'm doing something I =need= to do; get the newspaper) and walking back. It =did= make a difference tho (and it's only 4 houses away). I lost 3 lbs in a 7-day week by doing that alone (no change in my new eating habits). So what does that mean? Exercise has =got= to be a part of =my= lifestyle, diet or no-diet. I really haven't lost any substantial weight but I have conciously changed a LOT of my eating habits. I =really= read labels when I shop now, and I try to have =only= those foods in the house that are the lowest in fats/cholesteral. Even snack foods are bought with the "content" in mind. I may be taking the slow route to losing weight, but on a 'personal' note, I am finding that I never really =looked= at what I was eating (quantity or quality) before, and since this is approach I've decided to take with my "lifetime" diet, I am learning a lot about what I =used= to eat, that got me where I am now. Well, anyway, it's been one month and 1+ week, and I am still at my starting weight of 1/1/92. Since I have gone up, then back down, I think my body is just beginning to use these new foods it's getting, in the proper way. ...and the =positive= side of it is: I'm beginning to =enjoy= the tastes of foods that were not all that 'attractive' to me before. Thanks to all of you who post so many good and interesting and positive posts each day. It's always a joy to come over here and 'grab' this topic and read! BTW, I like the Leanie Genies too, if we're still looking. Bye all Connie ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 2 Wed Feb 19, 1992 M.FOWLER8 [Marilyn] at 19:45 EST I lost three and a quarter more pounds! Total: 18 1/2! :) Down side is there is so far to go still...:( Marilyn ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 3 Wed Feb 19, 1992 J.BYRD7 [RedFez] at 19:48 EST For everyone wondering about fast food restaurant nutritional details: Most of these places have nice brochures that are yours for the price of a stamp or a phone call. Some will even send you coupons good at their restaurants if you write a nice enough letter! (I know, the temptation may just be too great to use that coupon for the big Wendy's double bacon Classic. But it makes a nice gift.) Here are few addresses: McDonald's Nutrition Information Center MMcDonald's Plaza Oak Brook, IL 60521 (708) 575-FOOD Burger King Corporatoin Consumer Relations, Mail Station 4S P.O. Box 520783, General Mail Facility Miami, FL 33152 (305) 378-7320 Wendy's International Inc. Consumer Affairs Dept. P.O. Box 256 Dublin, OH 43017 (614) 764-6800 Pizza Hut Consumer Affairs Dept. P.O. Box 0428 Wichita, KS 67201 KFC Corp. (Kentucky Fried Chicken) PuPublic Affairs Department P.O. Box 32070 Louisville, KY 40232 Arby's Inc. Ten Piedmont Center Suite 700 3495 Piedmont Road, N.E. Atlanta, GA 30305 MY FAVORITE: Dunkin' Donuts CConsumer Products Information P.O. Box 317 Randolph, MA 02368 American Dairy Queen Corp. 5701 Green Valle Drive Minneapolis, MN 55437 Go on. Call or write. It reminds them that there is consumer pressure for "better" fast foods, with more alternatives, less fat, calories and salt. I also have addresses for branded consumer packaged goods (Pillsbury, Kraft, Stouffer, etc) who also put out detailed and interesting brochures. If anybody's interested, just say so, and I'll post some of them too. -- John ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 4 Wed Feb 19, 1992 M.FOWLER8 [Marilyn] at 20:13 EST Just a quick note. Weight Watchers lets you substitute half your water with DECAF diet sodas, teas and coffees. If it has caffeine, it DOES NOT count toward water intake. Marilyn, thinner by 18.5 pounds on Week 5 of Weight Watchers! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 5 Wed Feb 19, 1992 M.FOWLER8 [Marilyn] at 22:50 EST Thanks John, for all the info! I am gonna go fire up the word processor now! Marilyn, thinner by 18.5 pounds on Week 5 of Weight Watchers! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 6 Wed Feb 19, 1992 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 23:57 EST Yay Marilyn! You're doing great! Don't look too far ahead. It's such a common pitfall. My mom just quit WW yesterday becasue she was "losing too slowly". I was really upset with her. My dad is doing great, but she felt that 8lbs in 8 weeks was not good enough for her. I told her she can't expect to lose as fast as my dad does, he's a man (More muscle tissue that burns faster than women's more fatty tissue), she's 67 years old and she does no sustained aerobic excercise. Sigh. But she said WW goal weight for her was too thin, and she can't eat all that food, so she'll try on her own. She _has_ lost weight on her own before, but I felt she was being unrealistic. Oh well. She's got to do what she's comfortable with. Try to focus on making other things in life better, and the program will just fade into the background and become habit, not such a primary focus. (This advice is as much for myself as for anyone else!) -Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 7 Thu Feb 20, 1992 JAMIE.C at 01:28 EST Connie, A woman friend called today to tell me to purchase the current issue of the Weider's SHAPE magazine. Among other things, an article on the critical importance of exercise, in ANY amount. I have heard before that when you do essentially NO exercise, that is SO far from what your body is "designed" for that it essentially sets you up for "Let's store up some fat before the big hike next week"--almost a "store up the fat for the winter" kind of thing....Anyway, enjoy the walk, and you --will-- get results! Marilyn, Congratulations! Look at it this way--you are more than half-way to your goal (because you spent the first half getting to your --fattest-- point!) This is a "there and back again" journey--you're on the downhill run! It may take a while in time, but you are at a good speed now.... RedFex: it is my understanding that much "fast food" contains too much sodium to be "legal" regardless of what the purveyors claim the fat/bread/meat exchanges to be--at least one a more than 2 or 3 times a week basis. I agree with you that we must keep reminding restauranteurs that better food would be MUCH appreciated (and purchased). Thank you for such a comprehensive address listing! (oops--Fez, RedFez, of course....) Sue--I am sorry that your mother feels that way; a pound a week is EXCELLENT progress. I am not generally in favor of "double standards" or gender segregation, but I do think that it often backfires when couples try to adjust weight at the same time--men and women simply do lose in vastly different ways. Too discouraging--like trying to base evidence of heart health improvement in the general population on the basis of counted heart attacks. But I hope she does find success wherever, and that of course your father continues with his. My own thought is that some of us are sprinters; some are marathoners. This is partly temperment, partly genetics. It is probably as important to realize which race we are running as it is to measure ourselves against someone else's "gold-medal pace." ciao--J ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 8 Thu Feb 20, 1992 S.CONROY1 [Sonsie] at 02:30 EST June, that's GREAT news...esepcially if you didn't to "suffer" too much. That "hidden" weight loss is a wonderful feeling. Keep it up! (But DO try and get some healthy snacks in the house or office to munch on. Sometimes the hunger can get so overwhelming you slip and eat WAY bad, if you don't have fruit or veggies handy.) Congrats, Mary! Seven pounds off is seven pounds GONE, no matter how long it takes. Marilyn, your progress is amazing...I hope you are rewarding yourself with something (NOT food). RedFez, thanks for the addresses. I think lots of us could use up-to- date information, since we frequently have to eat "fast." Connie, hang in there. If you're making all the changes, especially the exercise, I KNOW it will work. I'm about at the same place, too, but I know I'm doing better. =Sonsie= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 9 Thu Feb 20, 1992 C.RIFENBURG [Connie] at 06:42 EST RedFez, Great List! Thanks! I would like the other listings if you have them. You know, with a computer handy, and a 'standard' letter format, it would be very easy to send out a letter to each of those addresses, and have the info handy..since, like Sonsie said, just =try= driving by an Arby's after skipping breakfast, on your way to another client meeting, and having your stomach begin to growl.......oooooooooh, temptation! temptation! Plus, I for one, don't want to give up being able to 'grab a bite to eat' with friends, etc. at the fast food places. I know I won't =stick= to that kind of =promise= to myself over the long-haul. So I would like to know which of the foods is a better choice.... a =liveable= choice. That's my goal, too. Congrats Marilyn ..good show! Connie ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 10 Sun Dec 06, 1992 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 06:49 EST I won't be checking in this week. I am not going to weigh. This has been a weepy week for me -- the stress of all the extras living here temporarily, and I don't want to weigh, but I can feel my jeans tighter. We're going to be out of town for a few days. Then I will face things. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 11 Sun Dec 06, 1992 P.CASSEDY1 [Pat [pc]] at 16:59 EST JOni: Message 187. Is that Gloversville in upstate NY?. My husband was born and lived there several years during wwII/pc . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 12 Sun Dec 06, 1992 F.FRIED2 [FLORENCE] at 21:52 EST -=-=-=- To: V.ROWE1 [Val] -=-=-=- > Florence: > All right Florence! I've always said that I wouldn't > mind being my weight if I felt good, looked good and fit in my > clothes. So if you didn't lose, but are feeling better - that's > great! Thanks, Val. I really do feel a lot better (mentally and physically). I love to dance, but I used to have to rest after two dances. Now I can almost dance all night. And everybody is wondering what happened to me. They say I look ten years younger. I can live with that! Good luck to all you losers and that's meant as a compliment. -=[ FLORENCE ]=- ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 13 Tue Dec 08, 1992 NASS [Joni] at 01:27 EST hehehe, Mary... that's the first sign is a tighter waistband... I can always tell! ================================== Pat.... yeppers.... Gloversville, New York is just 4 miles up the pike from me here in Johnstown -- founded by Sir William Johson. Do you ever get to this neck of the woods? = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 14 Thu Dec 17, 1992 NASS [Joni] at 20:54 EST Time to *fess* up! Mary MHROADES1 is on the minues side -- lost1 CLAP! CLAP! CLAP! Lloyd L.DEVRIES is holding his own - no loss, no gain! GOOD FOR YOU! ---- but ---- Lloyd lost 3 last week -- so not bad Lloyd... keep up the good work! Florence F.FRIED2 gained 2 lbs. :( States she's having too good a time... Better luck next week, Florence Joni NASS --- well, she's not doing too well! No gain, no loss... but also not watching her diet --- come on Joni --- you can do much better! Val V.ROWE1 lost one last week... GREAT! didn't hear from Val yet this week.! ---- Okey Dokey ---- now bit of friendly advice... it's that time of the year when the lbs. can sneak up on you real fast.... so do be careful! Your friendly *loss* reporter, Joni ----------------------------------- ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 15 Sat Dec 19, 1992 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 03:39 EST In the words of our statistician: > [it's] that time of the year when the lbs. can sneak up on you real > fast.... so do be careful! ....and one way to be careful is to be forced to face facts: I've found that just reporting my gains and losses each week makes me "watch my weight." Please e-mail your weight loss stats to Joni at "NASS" by noon on Sunday. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 16 Sat Dec 19, 1992 F.FRIED2 [FLORENCE] at 13:59 EST ====== To: L .DEVRIES [Lloyd] ====== > In the words of our statistician: > [it's] that time of the year when the lbs. can sneak up on you > real fast.... so do be careful! You are soooo right! After I was so proud of myself for slimming down, all of a sudden there's an extra 5 pounds and I have no idea from whence it came. I'd better get it off in a hurry......... -=[ FLORENCE ]=- ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 17 Sun Dec 20, 1992 NASS [Joni] at 22:40 EST Florence... yep... do try to lose the 5 lbs... as it has a way of attracting more to it. UGH! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 18 Fri Dec 25, 1992 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 19:32 EST Hello - remember me? I'm back! Seems like a lot of my old pals are no longeractive on this topic, but I'm hoping that with the start of another new year, folks will be inspired to healthful eating and excercise for their resolutions. I know I am! Joni-what's the deal for reporting stats now? I'm at 222 lbs, and I'd like to get down possibly to 160. My first big goal is to get under 200, which I haven't done in over 10 years. A lot of things have recently changed in my life, and I feel this is an ideal time for me to lose. I got married in September, and I've just joined my husband in Virginia after resigning my job in NY. I arrived here on Wednesday night, and I've been eating very well since then - made my own spaghetti sauce ad split pea soup from scratch, and have been eatin fruit and low salt pretzels for snacks. We took a moderate walk together yesterday, and we need to find out where the local Bally's health club is. I've been a member of Jack La Lanne since 1987, but haven't worked out on a regular basis since the beginning of 1992. John, my husband, is going to join my gym, and we'll be working out together. Happy holidays to everybody, and I hope to hear from you all soon! -Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 19 Sat Dec 26, 1992 NASS [Joni] at 22:21 EST Sue.... A great friendly WELCOME!!!! Maybe you can send me some will power via Email... of course as soon as I can shake this miserable cold I have had for over 10 days! If I can just find some *me* time to exercise on my Stair Climber Plus... that will be a step in the right direction. Sue... all you have to do is report your stats to me by Sunday noon and I'll try to get them posted by Mon. night -- using the following format! Your name # lbs. to lose by what date IF you have one how many pounds lost (or gained) this week. = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 20 Tue Dec 29, 1992 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 03:39 EST >>> S.KNAPP2 [Sue] Sue, do you want to be added to the weekly reminder mailing? the stats are pretty straight-forward: How much you lost, how much you want to lose, and when. Oh, and your name . You mail them to NASS by 12 noon Sunday. Everyone: Well, maybe I should've said "ALMOST-weekly reminder mailing," since I missed last week. My apologies....the holiday and a quick trip to the in-laws surprised me. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 21 Wed Dec 30, 1992 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 23:21 EST Hi Joni and Lloyd - I'll start sending my stats this weekend. Thanks, but I don't need the reminder, Lloyd. Joni, what is your stair-climber like? I have one I bought from Sears, but I never used it much, and it needs repair, and it's back at my parents' house in NY while I'm in D.C. now. But my husband John and I will be going to Bally's as soon as he gets his membership and we find the nearest club. I like the Stairmaster 4000 but most Bally's I've been to have Lifestep, which I don't like (my knees are not in great shape, and Lifestep is not as easy to adjust to my comfortable step height as the Stairmaster). I'm also getting over a cold, and as soon as I feel better, I'll be able to get my excercise program in gear again. Have a fun New Year's, all. - Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 22 Wed Dec 30, 1992 P.BURROUGHS [Patricia] at 23:46 EST How does this topic work? (What's the email for?) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 23 Thu Dec 31, 1992 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 05:38 EST Who needs a stairmaster? I use stairs. Up and down 1 flight of 14 steps, repeatedly. Been doing it for a few years. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 24 Thu Dec 31, 1992 NASS [Joni] at 21:03 EST Hi Sue..... My stairclimber Plus is driven by *air* in bellows -- not hydraulic like most of the others, therefore it looks kindly on my knees. I'm not sure where you can buy it... but perhaps I could find out for you. I stand in front of the TV while watching a program and slowly walk or fast, depending on my mood. :) ========================================= Brad... yours is a wonderful way to do it. Probably much more exercise results as well! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 25 Thu Dec 31, 1992 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 23:58 EST Brad - Different strokes for different folks. I'm really uncomfortable climbing stationary stairs, and I like to be able to see my progress on the electronic readout Stairmaster provides, and some clubs have t.v. nearby to watch. Whatever works for you, great. Joni - I'd be interested in any info you have on the Stair CLimber, thanks. Happy New Year's! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 26 Fri Jan 01, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 09:36 EST H A P P Y N E W Y E A R ! ! ! I bet I can guess some New Year's resolutions ;) . Yeah, mine, too. Last year, I dropped about 10 pounds in the beginning of the year (and the beginning of this program) in 6 weeks. This year, I want to make up the pounds I gained back recently due to sundry circumstances, and get rid of another ten....all by my 40th birthday in mid-March. I want to pick up my exercise program again. And I resolve to continue confessing my sins and successes each week to Joni by 12 noon on Sunday. Please e-mail your stats to "NASS" this week. Good luck. <<>> (I e-mail reminders like to this to about a dozen people each week. You can be one of them; just let me know, here or by e-mail.) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 27 Fri Jan 01, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 11:08 EST >>> P.BURROUGHS [Patricia] > How does this topic work? We commiserate, lend support, confess sins, discuss techniques, and otherwise egg each other on to keep losing weight. You admit as much or as little as you want. I'm fairly up-front about all this (in fact, that's where most of the excess weight is): I'm in the low 180s, have been as low as 179, and want to get to 170...and, even more important, redistribute the weight. Speaking of confession, I just gave in and bought two pairs of jeans in the next size larger. > (What's the email for?) Each week, a bunch of us tell how many pounds we lost (or gained), how many we WANT to lose, and by when. Then Joni puts them in a table, congratulates the LOSERS and consoles the others. I've found that, just by keeping track each week of how much I weigh on Sunday morning, it's made me a lot more conscious of what I'm doing and not doing. I do keep filed away each week's weight, so I can compare. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 28 Fri Jan 01, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 23:01 EST Good luck to all of you (us) in 1993. I kinda wasted December as far as the diet goes. But I'm starting over today and will now get serious about it. Since Bush is leaving and we won't be a kinder gentler America, maybe we can be a thinner, healthier America. Brad: I don't have access to any stairs except at Sunday School. (and I hate those stairs grrrr) And like others, I have a hard time on stairs because I tore a couple of ligaments in my right knee and it doesn't work so good anymore. I more or less hop downstairs, and when it's cold, my knee locks up going up the stairs. I do a little better on a stairstep (?) the kind that works like a bellows, not the kind that looks like an escalator. I do use my non-electronic treadmill and exercycle though. It took me about a year and a half after the accident to be able to use the exercycle cause my knee wouldn't bend far enough. Happy New Year! Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 29 Sat Jan 02, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:31 EST Sue.... not sure how much info I can get on the Stair Climber, even though it is manufactured locally, I don't think it is sold locally. But I will try to find out for you. ==================================== Lloyd.... I'd like to present you with our *bestest* award of the year. That is the best one to prod everyone and keep our spirits high.... Thanks Lloyd and let's see how much blubber we all can lose now that the New Year is upon us... I figure I'm carrying around 3 bowling balls that I don't need to have hanging on me.... Now if I could psyche myself to do something about it!!!!! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 30 Sat Jan 02, 1993 P.BURROUGHS [Patricia] at 01:49 EST Three bowling balls! LOL! Yep, I'm in that category. Do I need to email somebody, or just tell you here to add me to the list? ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 31 Sat Jan 02, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 22:51 EST Val... We all have to do what is best for us... and it sounds like you have gotten it together for '93.... :) Now... let's pray I can do it! -------------------------------- Patricia.... yeppers... just post here and you're a member of this great and wonderful support group. hehe, since I own 3 bowling balls (not a ) I'll try to sell them piece by piece ( that is lb. by lb. ) 'til they are gone and for good! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 32 Sun Jan 03, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 09:04 EST >>> P.BURROUGHS [Patricia] > Do I need to email somebody, or just tell you here to add me to the > list? You're added. It's that simple. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 33 Sun Jan 03, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 09:05 EST >>> NASS [Joni] Any figures on how much blubber we lost as a group in 1993? I guess that would be a lot of work. Well, whatever I weigh in at tomorrow morning, I'm still lighter than I was at this time last year, even if it's only a few pounds. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 34 Sun Jan 03, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 12:37 EST I think I'd better replace the batteries in my scale: Without excerise, with New Year's Eve chazerai (munchies), it says I've lost about 3 pounds to my lowest level in two months. Better yet, I ought just get a whole, new, non-electronic scale. Consumer Reports' new issue rates them. My goal is to lose 11 more pounds by my 40th birthday in 2.5 months. And to fit into all those 36-inch waist pants again. (while needing a belt to hold them up! -- even better) <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 35 Sun Jan 03, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 22:43 EST Oh.... if only I could... and I do want to drop pound by pound! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 36 Mon Jan 04, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 00:26 EST Hi there all! I sure hope your New Year is off to a great start. Whether or not you've lost weight is not a major issue... just deal with it on a daily basis -- I'm struggling, but will get there someday. Now for our weekly update! ========================= Florence ..... F.FRIED2 ..... Lost One (1) lb. Yay!!! Lloyd......... L.DEVRIES .... Lost Three (3) lbs. Yay!!! Sue .......... S.KNAPP2 ..... Lost Four (4) lbs. Yay!!! Mary ......... M.RHOADES1 ... Status Quo .... Not Bad! Joni ......... NASS ......... Too embarassed to weigh! Ugh! Remember --- *if* you are in lurk mode... and want need support to drop some of the weight you've been wishing would go .... please do join us... just post a note so we can see who you are. Don't be bashful... we're all freindly. One of the reasons this category was started --- seems like it doesn't belong here --- is to feel good about yourself, when you do that you are in a better mood, work better, and other wonderful things happen to you as well, as a result of cutting down on fat, watching the calories you consume, get some exercise on a regular basis and get an adequate amount of sleep to deal with it all. = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 37 Mon Jan 04, 1993 P.BURROUGHS [Patricia] at 22:15 EST Good! I'm added. Now all I've got to do is start the diet. Ugh! Actually, I should be back at Weight Watchers in a couple of weeks. I've got to find my lifetime membership stuff so that I don't have to pay all over again. ::guilt:: Yes, I've lost it before. But it keeps finding me!!! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 38 Tue Jan 05, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 00:05 EST Sigh... Weighed in today at SEVEN pounds more than this day last year. First time on the scale on a few months. Time to start watching what I eat again. What do I have to do for stats etc? ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 39 Tue Jan 05, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 04:34 EST >>> S.HAYES10 [Sharon] > What do I have to do for stats etc? You're on the list. Weren't you our charter statistician? <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 40 Tue Jan 05, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:22 EST Patricia... how true... it's like a shadow, it never goes away for very long. ====================================== Sharon... join the crowd! Just send me the following each Sunday.... Yourname Your Goal (# lbs. to lose) # lbs. (lost or gained this week) # Times exercised (this past week) That's it. = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 41 Wed Jan 06, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 03:19 EST Welcome to a new year and a fresh start! Congratulations to Florence, Lloyd, and Sue for their losses and to Mary for maintaining. Joni, hopefully you and I will be losers next week! I've been using the treadmill. After the first two days, I woke up so stiff, that I could barely walk! And I only walk on it for a few minutes as I just don't have the stamina to do much exercise right now. I have to build up from very light exercise for awhile. Anyway, since my bones, muscles, etc. ached, I figure it was doing me some good. Good luck this week, gang. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 42 Wed Jan 06, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 19:42 EST Val..... Sound like you *are* moving in the right direction... now to find time for me to exercise... I'm sure that's the key! = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 43 Wed Jan 06, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 22:26 EST Joni, et al: Last week while out shopping with my Mom, I spotted the Dancing Grannies exercise video. These women are between the ages of about 50 and 70, are very trim and energetic. The workout starts very slowly with stretching and progresses to easy-to-learn and -do aerobics. Since my Mom and I are both so out of shape, and since at her age, she could do most of the stuff that is included in the usual aerobics video, I thought this would be a good way for us to exercise together. Today we ran through about the first 15-20 minutes. She dropped out after the warmups, and I got a little start on the aerobics before getting too tired. This is the most time that we've been able to exercise together. I usually make suggestions on what kind of exercise we can do; she says "uh huh" but doesn't join in; then neither of us exercises! She wanted to stop the tape and pick up from where we left off next time! I told her that it would be best to start with the stretching/warmups every time. Of course as soon as the Grannies started doing the dance type movements, my Mom said it was too much like dancing and she couldn't do it. Grrrr. They explain it so well, and it's so easy that she _could_ learn it after trying a couple of times. I hope my Mom benefits from the tape. But even if she decides not to, I am going to! Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 44 Thu Jan 07, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 00:48 EST Hi everyone! I spent the first few days of the New Year at a Science Fiction convention nearby. We walked there (about 45 minutes), and I ate pretty well, lots of salads, baked potato with nothing but Ruby Tuesday alternative seasoning, pasta with ketchup, but I ate a few potato chips and some other "junk" as well. My weight went back up those four pounds I lost when I weiged myself the morning after the con, but I didnt let it get me down. And as it happens, my husband introduced me to the computer game "Lemmings" three days ago, and Ive spent so much time in front of the computer since then, that as of this morning, the four pounds are back off! (I'm not one to sit in front of the computer and eat, I only ate during breaks from playing). I'd rather be productive, and be excercising, but after I solve the rest of the levels I'll become a useful member of society again (g). Have any of you played this game? I thought Tetris was addicting! This game is seriously obsessive-making. Anyway, the real point is, that if you have a day or a weekend where you know you didnt eat the way you really wwould rather be eating, don't let it stop you from your long-term goal. Instead of beating yourself up, feeling badly, and eating more, just do omething to keep yourself extra busy and active, and fill up on good food. You can eat a lot of carbohydrates like potatoes or pasta if you're feeling hungry, just be creative with seasoning. Use lemon juice and mustard on baked potato, use a teaspoon of oil and lots of spices on spaghetti. It takes some planning on what to have (and not to have) in the house. YOU CAN DO IT! Here's to "A Thinner Me In '93!" -Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 45 Thu Jan 07, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 19:33 EST Sue.... thanks for the pep talk! We needed it! Nice going.... that game sounds interesting, however, I'm not one for games, hardly have time to do what I have to do! = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 46 Thu Jan 07, 1993 F.FRIED2 [FLORENCE] at 19:59 EST ====== To: S .KNAPP2 [Sue] ====== > Here's to "A Thinner Me In '93!" I'll drink to that (low cal, of course). -=[ FLORENCE ]=- ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 47 Fri Jan 08, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 16:50 EST YEAH! So far so good! Its my 4th day and I'm down 4 pounds and NO cheating at all. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 48 Fri Jan 08, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 23:07 EST Sue: Thanks for the encouraging words. We do need to start fresh each day and not worry about yesterday's shortcomings. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 49 Sat Jan 09, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 15:40 EST Hi Florence! How are you doing? Welcome back, Sharon. Weigh to go! Very true, Val. Joni, what kind of work do you do at home? I'm currently not working yet, I only just joined my new husband in the DC area, and I have lots of house stuff to do (unpack, organize), then I'll look for some work. I have a NY license in masage therapy, and I could work out of our apartment I think (haven't checked into local laws yet) but I might prefer to work at a gym or chiropractor's office if I can find a position. As for me, I'm eating really well, and I now need to start some regular excercise program again. Hope everyone is feeling well, and getting motivated! Slimmin' Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 50 Sun Jan 10, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 00:55 EST Slimmin' Sue ..... ....... WARNING ........ long post! I love your handle... great! Does make you think of paring down those pounds. Sue, in response to your question "what do I do"..... I have run an office support service business for 18 years providing full office support services, temp personnel (now am a local rep for Manpower) and Desktop Publishing business. Recently, (8/1/92) I decided it was time for me to think about turning it over to my son the printer -- so he is buying my assets (assets only). He is providing the same type of services that I did. PLUS... we've recently (within the last 3 weeks) invested in new technology -- a new 486/66 running Quark Express, PageMaker and Ventura (all for windows) as well as an Imagesetter (Agfa) at 600, 1200, 1600 or 2400 dpi and of course a processor that outputs to paper (Kodak) or film. Guess R.J.'s decided to use 1600 dpi for most everything, unless he has some great photos. The output is PostScript. If you remember my post the other day... I couldn't figure out why I couldn't print a postscript file to the HP III. It took us 2 days to resolve that one -- so simple a fix when we finally did it. but.... it would have been a major problem, 'cause the imagesetter is postscript output. Now comes the fun... time to learn the software, however I just jumped into Ventura 4.0 (windows) and found it wasn't too bad (have run VP DOS/GEM version for over 5 years. We are running through the tutorials that come with Quark and will have a day long training session within a week. PageMaker may get set on the back burner temporarily 'til I can jump into VP and start learning Quark. We've found that there is business out there.... several designers and ad agencies, as well as some of the other businesses we work with are waiting for their on-on-one demo that we've promised them. This really is a new venture for R.J. -- but he seems to be picking up on it fairly quickly -- seems to understand what he is doing. hehehe, I noticed him looking over my shoulder while I was working with a resume in VP for windows yesterday. Whew... guess I got a bit wordy... sorry about that. My feet hurt from serving dinner and pouring coffee to about 90 people at church. We staged a show (last night and tonight) -- so it feels good to sit down for a few minutes and write! The show is an old anglican tradition... called the Boarshead Feast (I understand the tradition is about 400 years old). It really is the story of the birth of Christ in song and dance. It was done in "the round". Dinner was yummy and fattening (I snitched -- hehe, if Sharon reads this she can holler at me ). 90% of the music we sang was a capella (four part harmony) really sounded great! Guess that's it for now! I had best put my running shoes on before the topic cop catches up with me..... ============ now back on topic -- to weight loss! :) ======== == Joni == ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 51 Sun Jan 10, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 09:27 EST I gained this week. 4 pounds. (*&^%!! Oh, well....at least I returned to the gym and worked HARD (I'm creaking) yesterday. I've got just over two months to get down to 170...and just over two months until I turn 40. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 52 Sun Jan 10, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 10:29 EST Joni-sounds like you've been busy. Does "turning it over" to your son mean you are retiring (I didn't quite understand the "assets only". I planned to weigh in this morning and report to you, but oddly enough BOTH of my scales are no longer working. One was the old-fashioned kind of bathroom scale, a hand-me-down from my parents, and one was a fairly new electronic scale. I couldn't get an accurate reading on either of them. Sigh. Another household item to purchase.... I intend to find out where the nearest Bally's Health Club is this week, so I'll start weighing in when I locate either a replacement scale or a gym. - Slimmin' Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 53 Sun Jan 10, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 21:18 EST Slimmin' Sue..... You asked if *turning it over to my son* means I'm retiring.... HECK NO! I'm working for nothing at the moment. I do hope I'll have some unearned income soon.... (purchase of assets -- once we can figure out what and how much) I love it though and wouldn't have it any other way. Actually I do have *some* income... as the local Manpower contact for our 2 counties, as well as consulting that I do. Nice, huh. I won't get rich, but then who wants money, it's the root of all evil -- so someone said once. = Joni = <--- busier now than ever! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 54 Mon Jan 11, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 00:00 EST Hi Slimmin' Sue: I hope to be seeing _less_ of you soon , and that you'll be seeing less of me too. I'm moving in the right direction now (lost a pound this week) so I expect to continue slimming. Lloyd: Better luck next week. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 55 Tue Jan 12, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 00:55 EST ....hehe.... If I keep this up, will no doubt shed a few pounds, but need to add the exercise too. I had a meeting at 9:30 this morning. When I went to work I took 1/2 of a banana and 1 container of non-fat yogurt with me -- that was my lunch. I worked 'til 11:00 PM tonight... that's when I wised I were still home-based. Hopefully soon I can upgrade this system so it will handle my present needs. Well... dinner consisted of 1/2 piece of filet mignon, and a small dish of mixed veggies I cooked in the microwave with a bit of water. That's the first and ONLY time I've ever eaten veggies without any butter and salt & pepper. You know they didn't tast half bad. Now if I can continue to do this it would be great. I almost had a hot chocolate made with water, but instead opted for a cup of orange and spice tea. So... my calorie consumption was much better today... hopefully I can continue *intelligent* eating and forget about the sweets. Knowing me I'd have to have 1 time/week to gorge on ice cream and chocolate. BTW.............. since I was so late getting home tonight, I'll post the losses/gains tomorrow night. OK?! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 56 Tue Jan 12, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 07:59 EST Lloyd, so sorry about your gain, but relieved that I'm not the only one. I'm back on track, too. Let's aim for a good report next week! Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 57 Tue Jan 12, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 16:52 EST Lloyd, Yeah, I was the one who started it all. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 58 Tue Jan 12, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 23:21 EST Hi all. I'm doing well, except for a few potato chips tonight. I'll start walking tomorrow when I wake up. I need to go to the store anyway, since I finished all of my home-made tomato sauce. Joni-sounds like you're doing fine. If I may recommend, on your steamed veggies next time you could also try a bit of lemon juice or low-salt soy sauce with garlic powder and Italian spices. I like plain veggies too, but it's nice to feel you can have SOMETHING on them, especially if you're used to butter or margarine. It helps prevent boredom or feeling deprived. I've been making wonderful spaghetti sauce myself with no oil, and it's wonderful. If anyone's interested I could post the recipe. I've got my scale back - it had gone on the fritz over the weekend. So I'll try to e-mail my stats to Joni in case she will be able to include them. -Slimmin' Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 59 Tue Jan 12, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:30 EST Lloyd, Mary and Sharon... Don't hold your breath, but I've lost a couple of lbs. Now to keep the momentun going! ============================== I'll post the losses/gains shortly! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 60 Tue Jan 12, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 23:44 EST I decided to review this topic to see if I could find any good information I missed while I was away, and I'm a bit confused. Message 9 is dated 2/20/92 but 10 is 6/28/92. What happened for four months? I also noticed some people discussing low-cal frozen dinners. When I was being really sucessful at losing weight a few years back, I had access to a microwave oven at work and at school, and since I'm a vegetarian, I sought out and found some really nice low-cal frozen dinners at Health Food stores. The ones I like the best are Legume and Jacklyn's brands. They are low in fat, I'm not sure about the sodium content though, so if salt is an issue you'd need to check on it. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 61 Tue Jan 12, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:45 EST Sue.... thanks for the note about the veggies... sounds good... will try it. Please... do post your recipe for fat-free spaghetti sauce! Even those *lurkers* might be tempted to stop by and say hi! Just drag up a chair and we'll serve tea and lurker cookies... they have absolutely no calories! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 62 Wed Jan 13, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 00:21 EST OK, here goes my recipe for Slimmin' Sue's Spaghetti Sauce: (This makes enough for about 3 or 4 servings, I'll probably be making up a larger batch in my humongous cast-iron pot tomorrow) Ingredients: 4 16oz cans of no-salt added whole California tomatoes 2 medium onions 4 cloves of garlic (or more or less to your own taste) 2 stalks celery 1 red bell pepper 1/2 green bell pepper 1 small container white mushrooms 1 Bay leaf 1/2 - 1 1/2 tsp each black pepper, oregano, basil, rosemary marjoram, thyme, savory, sage (salt is optional, I don't) 2 Tbsp balsamic or other vinegar Put about 1/2 inch of water into a large pot (I've been using a 2 qt but I'd reccomend a 3-4 qt). Chop up the onion and garlic and start to saute them together in the water. Chop up the other veggies, and gradually add them to the pot (I put in the celery first, then the peppers, and finally the mushrooms. Saute them together adding water as it boild out, until the veggies are tender but not mushy, about ten minutes. Then add the contents of the 4 cans, slicing the tomatoes a bit so they are approximately in 1/4's. Stir the pot, add the vinegar and spices, and let all the ingredients cook together until enough water has boiled out to make the sauce a desireable consistency. Stir to prevent burning. Remove the Bay leaf before serving. You can, of course, make a lot of this sauce and freeze it, which is what I've been doing. I guess you could also use crushed canned tomatoes, or fresh tomatoes, but I haven't tried it those ways yet. I started making this sauce because I could not find a single canned or jarred sauce in any supermarket I've been to that meets all of my require- ments. It has to be no-oil, no-cheese, no-salt, no-sugar, lots of veggies, and delicious. I'd love some feedback from any of you who make it (puns are always intended) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 63 Wed Jan 13, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 19:29 EST Joni: Wow what a day you had Tuesday! You'll either lose weight or pass out from hunger! :) Good luck in continuing to eat sensibly. It sounds like your problem is similar to mine. We're too _busy_ to eat right! But I'm not doing to badly this week. Mary: Either you've been lurking, or I've been skimming my messages too fast. I haven't seen you around for awhile, but am glad to see you back. 1993 is going to be a great year. I can feel it in my bones...well I could, if I could find my bones under all the padding :) I'm going to be much less padded by the end of '93! Sue: That sauce looks good. Thanks for sharing it with us. Have you posted it in Food & Wine? If not, do you mind if I post it there? Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 64 Wed Jan 13, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 22:04 EST Thanks Sue... I'm gonna try your recipe over the weekend! Sounds yummy! -------------------------- Val... hehe I'm in the same boat as you... don't even know that I have bones 'til they creak! = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 65 Thu Jan 14, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 00:42 EST Val - Please do post it. I never visited Food and Wine. Joni - I hope you enjoy it! Yes, it is hard to eat right when you are busy. It takes a lot of thinking and planning beforehand so you have quick and healthy things to eat avail- able even when you're on the go. I like making things in big batches and freezing them, and I LOVE Rubbermaid plastic containers because they come in so many sizes and I can premeasure just the amount of food I want for a serving. I had a scare today - I was on my way out of the apartment to go food shopping when my elderly cat Tipsie (approximate age 19) had a seizure. I've had this cat since 1978 and it never happened before. I thought I was going to lose her. I took her to the vet, and they ran a lot of expensive tests, watched her for awhile, and let me take her home. So far she seems OK but I have to call for the results of the test tomorrow. I hope she 'will be OK. -Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 66 Thu Jan 14, 1993 F.FRIED2 [FLORENCE] at 07:43 EST ====== To: S .KNAPP2 [Sue] ====== > Hi Florence! How are you doing? Like a yoyo......up a pound, down a pound. Can't seem to lose those last few pounds. But I'm still trying. Good luck to everybody. -=[ FLORENCE ]=- ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 67 Thu Jan 14, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:36 EST Sue and all.... .................. See below for the Stats report ............... Our doggies has had seizures before and they are very scary.... his very first one was about 9 years ago and it was a grand mal type seizure... the others he has suffered since then have been of lesser severity - thank goodness. He has some terrier and is crossed with a poodle - the vet said that he is prone to these types of seizures... but he's doing well. He doesn't hear anything -- or hardly anything now. He's 14 years old and is my hubby's buddy... shadow really. Nice to see you around Florence! Now... for the STATS.... L.DEVRIES ..... Lloyd ....... gained 4 lbs. exercised once V.ROWE1 ....... Valerie ..... Lost one lb. Goal is -50 exercised 4 times C.BENSON2 ..... Carson ...... Lost 4 lbs. Goal is -50 S. KNAPP2 ..... Susan ....... Lost 3 lbs. Goal is -62 (Goal date 12/31/93) NASS .......... Joni ........ Lost 2 lbs. Goal is -40 (20 by July 1 and rest by end of year) --------------------------------------------------------------- HURRAY FOR THE LOSERS AND BETTER LUCK NEXT WEEK TO THE GAINERS! Don't let a slight set back discourage you! Just think how much better you'll feel and I'll bet you'll even work smarter -- not as tired and more mobility - that's what I'm looking for - for myself. --------------------------------------------------------------- = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 68 Fri Jan 15, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 00:58 EST Sue: Okay, I'll post the sauce recipe in Food & Wine. Gosh I hope Tipsie is okay. We get very attached to our pets and it's scarey when something like that happens. Val ::drinking lots of water this week:: ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 69 Fri Jan 15, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 01:58 EST Joni - thanks for posting the stats. Good for you! I knew you'd get motivated! Florence - hang in there. Are you excercising and drinking water? Those of us with 50+ lbs to lose look forward to having only those last few to go, but I'm sure it's frustrating. Val - thanks for your posting the recipe and your good thoughts for Tipsie. She seems fine, thank goodness, and I have to call the vet tomorrow for the lab results. I called today and nobody was available to talk to me when I first called, and I got home too late to call back. I ate a bit too much Wednesday night, but I made up for it Thursday. Have not yet started excercising, but we did walk to the food store (about a mile) and shlepped home heavy packages. I have found that as long as I keep the goal of beginning in mind, I eventually do it. I am keeping very busy though, and that is good for me. -Slimmin' Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 70 Fri Jan 15, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 05:35 EST Congratulations Carson, Susan and Joni!!! We're doing it! Lloyd, it's just a temporary off-week, and you can be among the losers again this coming week. Joni, that's part of what I'm looking for when I shed the lbs too. Thanks for keeping track of us. :) Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 71 Fri Jan 15, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 07:45 EST Val, I've been lurking, as well as out of town. We helped my youngest son and his wife move to New Orleans -- to a third-floor apartment. If my knee hadn't been acting up, I probably would have gotten some good exercise going up and down stairs. Then I went to a tournament in New Orleans. I gained a few pounds over the holidays after a very deceptive period of time where it looked like I was maintaining. I was so disgusted. But it looks like I've taken about a pound of it off so far, and I'm trying to be good. My oldest son and his wife and two little girls, who have been here since October, are closing on their house a week from tomorrow, and they plan to move that weekend. It should be easy to clear out the junk food then, and get down to business more. Good to hear from you. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 72 Fri Jan 15, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 07:52 EST I am new to this area and I am an ice cream addict. I gained 8 pounds over the hollidays cause my 'friends' bought me mucho ice cream and chocolate (bad combo). Now 8 pounds may not be a problem. I play a sport called underwater hockey and will get back into my routine and will probably get trimed up right away. I have a diet plan too. Eat everything I like and overdo it whenever possible. My system will not be able to handle the overload and, therefore , I should loose weight accordingly. Simple. . . David A. . . . . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 73 Sat Jan 16, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 00:28 EST Mary: No need to get too discouraged about gaining a few over the holidays. It's a rough time for all of us. It sounds like you'll soon be on track again anyway. I've been increasing my exercycle riding daily. The mileage thingie is broken on it so I don't know how far I go, but I put in a tape and make sure I go through more music each time. I've also begun tightening the tension a little. I really seem to be improving and having more stamina, which is what I need to actually get started exercising. Hope to see you name among the losers next week. David: Well.... the underwater hockey sounds like terrific exercise, but I don't think you "diet plan" would work for me. :) Oh yes, ice cream and chocolate are a wonderful combination. Mmmmm. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 74 Sat Jan 16, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 08:21 EST Yes, underwater hockey is a terrific exercise and a lot of fun. You can check it out in the Scuba BBS, Catagory 8, Topic 12 (underwater games), and Catagory 10, Topic 21 (keeping fit). I get there by typing m8009-20 and then Set 8, etc. I used it as my main therapy and workout after an extended hospital stay where I gained over 35 pounds. ................David A. ps. I lost it all in a few months . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 75 Sat Jan 16, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 14:47 EST Sniff. Joni, you forgot me in the stats. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 76 Sat Jan 16, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 15:02 EST I'm continuing to lose, although I've been sleeping a lot lately. I think my body needed to catch up on a lot of sleep - I had a couple of rough spots last year, and for the first time in my life, had weeks and months of insomnia which was very disturbing. Now I'm getting back on track with sleep and food, shortly to be followed by regular excercise. Has anyone ever made their own corn tortillas? I was shown how to make them by a new friend I met in NY at a Vegetarian Summerfest last August, and they are so easy and filling! Again, if anyone wants a description of how to make them, I'll be glad to post it. David A. - welcome! When you lost that 35 lbs, were you just doing the underwater hockey, or did you modify your food intake as well? Val - No, that "diet plan" wouldn't work for me either! Congratulations on your improvement and loss! What kind of exercycle do you have? Mary - welcome back! Yes, I'm sure it's difficult to keep junk food out of the house with kids around. You've been through a stressful time, and I'm sure things will be easier for you now. You can do it! Lloyd - how's it going? Sometimes I've found that if I start excercising again right after a gain, the lbs seem to come off faster than if I start excercising from a plateau. I don't know why, but it's helped me to see a gain as an opportunity instead of a failure. Carson - wow! 4 lbs, that's great. Have you just started recently? I don't recall your post. Sharon - How are you doing? -Slimmin' Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 77 Sat Jan 16, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 18:13 EST All...... Wow! I've lost 7 lbs. this week, or close to it. Have had another cold and not felt like eating, but drinking a lot of water and tea w/honey. I'll weigh in officially tomorrow AM ========================================== Mary, you've done admirably well... with extended family under your roof. ========================================== David... you've opened the right door.... Glad to see you here. Do keep us posted on your progress. ============================================= Sharon..... I just lashed myself with a wet noodle 20 times.... I DO APOLOGIZE for forgetting to post your stats! Won't forget this week! -= Joni =- ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 78 Sun Jan 17, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 08:15 EST Welcome, David. We are all food addicts, so you've come to the right place. Do you plan to follow a certain eating program, or just cut back? Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 79 Sun Jan 17, 1993 B.RAMSEY2 [brian] at 10:08 EST I am currently dieting with my wife. We are using Ultra Slimfast it seems to be working. Before we started dieting we would prepare our food based on what we were craving. Now we prepare our food based on the calorie intake. This was is boring and bland. The only thing that helps is that we are both crazy about spices and we make sure that we spice everything. Brian ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 80 Sun Jan 17, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 11:23 EST Wish she'd forgotten me. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 81 Sun Jan 17, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 11:24 EST I can't post this week: My scale is screwy. Either it needs a new battery, or it's a piece of junk, or both. The first time I weighed myself, I got two readings, 3 pounds apart. Then, after a shower and a cup of coffee -- which you would think would ADD weight, I got two readings, 3 pounds apart, but one pound less than before. This P.O.J. is not a serious research tool! Consumer Reports had an evaluation of scales recently. When I get back from Washington -- long hours, shoving food in my mouth to keep going -- I'm buying a new one. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 82 Sun Jan 17, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 17:46 EST Lloyd, I can sympathize with your scale troubles. Yes, the electronic ones are not the most trustworthy, are they? My husband noticed that if you want a reliable second reading on ours, you have to let about ten minutes pass between weighings, or it can go off by as much as (no joke) 100 lbs. It's bizarre to step on a scale and see a reading of 37 lbs! (I'm no anorexic). What brands does CR reccomend? -Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 83 Sun Jan 17, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 21:06 EST Brian and wife... WElcome aboard... share your successes and failures (if any) with your reduction in weight. The ultimate goal of this topic is feeling good about yourself whether or not you lose weight and lots of support if you want/need to do it. This will help us function better, not only in our personal lives, but business and social too. I know, I've been there a few times... however, the older one gets, the harder (FOR SURE) it is to take it off!!!! ============================================ Lloyd.... we'll be thinking of you while you are in Washington... :) = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 84 Sun Jan 17, 1993 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 22:31 EST Brian, If used properly, Ultra Slim Fast can be great. The biggest problem is that it is very controlled eating, WHILE you're using it. You have to make a very consious effort to change your lifestyle AFTER you're through with it in order for it to work. Studies are now coming out confirming what I thought - you're better off overweight than having weight that yo-yos up and down. Also, it takes willpower to stick to the Slim Fast plan. I found that if I used a malted machine and really beat it up to about double the original volume (tons of air), it was more satisfying. I successfully lost about 60 lbs, 2 1/2 pounds a week using that. I did find partway through, that I had to start exercising to help it along. One problem I have with Slim Fast is that it has Nutra Sweet. While I would use that for a very limited time, I wouldn't for a long time. Too many stories, including people I know. Were it not for that, I'd be happy having it for breakfast all the time. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 85 Sun Jan 17, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 22:53 EST Sue: My exercycle is just a plain vanilla low-cost bike that I got from Monkey Wards 10 or 15 years ago. It doesn't include any upper body motion, just peddling. I can tighten the tension so it feels like I'm riding uphill. I started out recently with zero tension and am increasing it as I feel stronger. My ex-boyfriend's son broke the mileage thingie years ago, which is why I time myself instead of keep track of miles/speed. I like peddling to music as it makes it more (well, a little) fun. Lloyd: I'm using a cheap bathroom scale that's about 24 years old. It's not accurate compared to when I get weighed at the doc's, but it is consistent, so I can tell how much I'm losing ::thinking positively:: and that's all that matters to me right now. If I _ever_ get down to less than 120 again, I might just buy a good scale to reward myself. No need to take the money out of the savings account for awhile though. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 86 Sun Jan 17, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 23:51 EST Sue: >...it can go off by as much as (no joke) 100 lbs. If that's the direction (minus) it's going, that sounds like _my_ kind of scale!! Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 87 Mon Jan 18, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 00:56 EST Sue, underwater hockey is the only work out I get. It is great. Yes, my diet was changed. I was hospitalized for 2nd and 3rd degree burns over much of my body (gasoline explosion - not nice) and was on a 6000 calorie, high protien diet so my body could repair itself, etc. I gained my weight then (no exercise - in bed unable to move for months - also not nice). I had to buy all new larger sized clothes when I got out. As soon as the doctors allowed, I started playing underwater hockey on a regular basis and it uses lots of callories and I lost that pesky 35 pounds and got back to being able to wear my old size again. I eat a lot. I try not to eat white sugar or white flour (except in ice cream where the fat retards the metabolism of the white sugar sucrose). Mary, I do not have any plans to cut back, just exercise more. Tonight I ate at Western Sizzlin and ate two steaks, one large baked potato, (did not eat the bread) two or three salids, vegitable soup, sampled most vegitables, onion rings, a couple of things I did not know what they were, some little shrimps, and finished off two helpings (they were smallish) of soft serve ice cream covered with whipped cream. I was full after that and went home, watched some TV, and logged on to Genie. . I had a glass of low fat milk just a few minutes ago. I guess that I am not cutting back. . . .................. David A. . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 88 Mon Jan 18, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:02 EST Brad and Brian..... Speaking about Slim Fast... I don't do it! What I do instead is take an envelope of Knox Gelatine, some juice - orange maybe (about 1/2 cupor a tad more, some ice cubes, and maybe 1/2 banana or 1/2 organge, or whatever fruit you want... not too many calories, remember, then put it in the blender and whip the heck out of it... it will froth with lots of air and give you a fruity slush, and especially with some banana in it -- is quite satisfying and nourishing at the same time and IT HAS **NO** ASPERTAME!!! Just be innovative, but do use an envelope of Knox Gelatine as your base, and ice cubes. = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 89 Mon Jan 18, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 02:17 EST Sue, Doing great! Even though for ONCE, I AM eating! I dont consider myself to be dieting - because I've already learnt, you can't diet for life. Instead, I am learning to eat in moderation and cut out the bad foods a =little=. Joni, Congrats... but too bad about the circumstances. Brian, Be careful in the use of spices. Unless otherwise specified, they tend to be very high in sodium. Try and stick with salt-free or sodium-free spices. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 90 Mon Jan 18, 1993 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 04:25 EST Joni, I didn't do the fruit juice Slim Fast - I used the chocolate Ultra Slim Fast with milk. I don't think your gelatin would quite be the same, and the chocolate was what made it acceptable to me. For the first week it tasted like cardboard, and it took many months before it actually tasted good. I also had to fight the feeling that it was missing the ice cream - the previous use of that malted machine had lots of chocolate syrup, and ice cream. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 91 Mon Jan 18, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 05:22 EST I've decided to bring my L.A. Gear (they were cheap) walking shoes to DC with me. It's a good city for walking, and I may have some time Monday and Tuesday. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 92 Tue Jan 19, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 00:21 EST I've lost weight before, many times, and I've been more comfortable when I'm eating just regular, normal foods. I can see using the Slim Fast type of stuff for getting off those annoying plateaus, but I also just don't trust Nutrasweet. But everyone has to do what they feel comfortable with. Val - I assume that Monkey Wards" is Montgomery Wards? LOL! It's better to keep track of aerobic excercise by amount of time anyway, rather than speed or distance. I've heard from several sources that it 'sbetter to walk at a moderate to brisk pace for 40 minutes than to run twice the distance in 20 minutes. Increase the time you excercise, but always have enough breath to be able to carry on a conversation during. David A. - Sorry to hear about your burns. My husband suffered a similar experience while a teenager - carbeurator exploded on him, burning his arms, abdomen, head. Not terribly severe, but he was hospitalized for I believe a few months. Nasty experience to go through. How old were you when it happened? Are you scarred much? My hubby has some scars, not too bad. It's great if you can control the weight with excercise alone. I need to cut back and excercise for maximum results, but I haven't gotten myself quite motivated yet for regular excercise. I have been going for walks a few times a week, but I will work up to doing it daily. Sharon - glad to hear it! I don't consider myself to be dieting either, and I don't feel deprived. I'm working on only eating when I'm hungry, and sometimes it's hard for me to tell. It's also hard for me to figure if I',m eating enough some days, because I'm not used to eating as seldom as I'm finding myself doing. It's weird for me to have only one meal a day some days, but if I'm not hungry, I just don't eat. My husband who is thin and always has been eats like that, so I figured I'd try it. So far, so good! Which spices are you talking about being high in sodium? I've never heard that before. Do you mean mixed seasonings, or things like oregano, parsley, thyme, etc.? Lloyd - are you in DC because of the inauguration? I'm living in DC, but I'll be watching it on tv (warmer, less crowds). ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 93 Tue Jan 19, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 21:25 EST Brad, when did Slimfast go to Nutra Sweet instead of all of that sugar that use to be the first ingredient? * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 94 Tue Jan 19, 1993 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 22:07 EST Peachie, Slim Fast always had Nutra Sweet, and suger. Just hidden - the ingredients only list Aspartame and sucrose, fructose. The slightly redeeming quality was that the aspartame was on the third line, but maybe because it's concentrated. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 95 Tue Jan 19, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:43 EST Brad.... Just thought someone might be interested in trying my concoction... so you're a chocoholic, huh?! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 96 Wed Jan 20, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 00:12 EST Sue, I was burned when I was 52 years old (2 years ago) and I am healing well. Some neighborhood kids were doing something stupid with gasoline and I saw it and ran over to help. I got them out, but not myself. Some called me stupid others were kinder and called me nice things. It is a fact that some would have died if I did not react, so it is O.K. Anyway, I too am a chocoholic and an ice cream addict and I eat red meat. Are these vices or what? Underwater hockey (I play three times a week now) helps me keep in shape. I am 54 years old, a bit over 6 feet tall, and weigh about 175 pounds. I can not pinch an inch anywhere around my waist and am trying to get back into the shape I think I was without spending any more time or effort than my three times a week playing hockey. I give advice to young ladies (models - I am a professional photographer) about diet so that they will photograph better. It works! Eat anything you want to eat as long as it does not have white flour or white sugar in it. Eat the hamburger, but not the bun. Complexions clear up in no time. Isn't that a sign of better health? I can tell you why it works. Where is the right topic for that? . . David A. . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 97 Wed Jan 20, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 00:53 EST Here we go..... sorry.... am working late these days! 1) Yay! for Sharon -- S.HAYES10 -- Lost 7 lbs. (3 this week) (Sharon lost 4 last week which I forgot to post) 2) David Andrews is a newcomer... do send me your stats by Sunday AM.... Welcome, David! 3) Susan -- great! -- S.KNAPP2 -- Lost 2 lbs. and exercised! --- keep up the good work --- 4) Mary is status quo -- M.RHOADES1 -- no loss, no gain! --- step in the right direction --- 5) Lloyd -- L.DEVRIES -- is having problems with his scale. needs either a new battery or scale. Right now he's watching the festivities on TV in Washington... and working... Lloyd, perhaps you'll lose weight forgetting to eat! 6) Me, Joni -- I've lost 4.5 lbs. I hope I can keep up the momentum. That's it for this week, folks! Over and out! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 98 Wed Jan 20, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:19 EST David... I just uploaded the stats prior to reading your message of valor... isn't that the pits... to think that some of those kids thought unkindly thoughts about your deed. You have to live with yourself and they have to live with themselves (which sounds like they might be having a problem)... you did the right thing! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 99 Wed Jan 20, 1993 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 04:17 EST Joni, Of course I'm a chocoholic. But I've managed to keep my weight down since I lost it. I'm about 5 pounds more than I want to be, but that's as high as I ever let it get. I lost 60+ a few years ago with that chocolate concoction. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 100 Wed Jan 20, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 07:39 EST Joni! I did not mean to imply that the kids or their parents felt ungraitful - quite the contrary. It is outsiders, those who think risking self is stupid. Some think I should know better - that I "learned my lesson", etc. They are wrong. I hope I will have the strength to do it again if the situation requires. I guess I am not a man of the 80's. Maybe in a few ways I am old fasshoned. I am not religious but I believe in helping others as I hope others may help me if I need it. Maybe that is too idealistic but things have a way of coming back. Look at all the good people on Genie helping others. There is hope for the world. Some of it right here. Topic drift alert!!!!! Anyway it appears that you are helping keep track of progress here. I am pretty stable as long as I get my exercise (play, etc.) and cut out things that digest too easily (like sucrose that goes directly into the bloodstream before it has to be 'digested' in the intestines). I only O.D. on ice cream on special ocasions (unfortunately any ocasion can be special) and do have trouble with chocolate (I do not buy it but others do and it is impolite to turn it down). I eat a large, but sensible breakfast (no sweets except what nature puts in the banana), and go from there. .................Keep up the good work ...................David A. from W.P.B., Fl. . . . . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 101 Wed Jan 20, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 19:03 EST Brad, I never knew that. I thought maybe it had gone "Totally" Nutrasweet. I would have been able to try it, if it had. I have to watch the sugar. Thanks for replying. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 102 Thu Jan 21, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:34 EST David... Thanks for *straightening me out* my brain is in low gear at the moment... am getting frustrated trying to tie this new equipment and software together... 11PM again tonight! It's a wonder I can even spell... and can't well... have to use the backspace key too much! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 103 Thu Jan 21, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 02:40 EST Joni: :( I got left off your list. ::sniff, sniff:: I lost another pound, so that's losing 2 weeks in a row, and it looks like this week will continue the trend. I'm feeling good about myself right now. Congrats to the losers; keep on trying to the maintain-ers and the gain-ers. :) Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 104 Thu Jan 21, 1993 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 05:37 EST Peachie, So, because they have SOME NutraSweet, I steer clear of it. And because they have SOME suger, you do. That's what they get for being so wishy-washy. All of one or the other, and they'd have one of us. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 105 Fri Jan 22, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 03:48 EST The hotel suite in Washington had two many mirrors. (We don't have any full-length mirrors at home.) I saw too much of myself. It's crash diet time. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 106 Fri Jan 22, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 04:23 EST >>> S.KNAPP2 [Sue] > are you in DC because of the inauguration? I'm living in DC, but I'll > be watching it on tv (warmer, less crowds). Yes, and, basically, so did I :) I watched it on TV's at the CBS News Bureau on M Street. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 107 Fri Jan 22, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 08:38 EST Congratulations to all you "losers." I'm still managing to stay stable while hoping for a loss, but knowing that I'm not trying hard enough to have one. My kids (4 of them; 2 adult and 2 small) will move out in a week. Looking forward to it. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 108 Fri Jan 22, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 21:13 EST Oh Val..... I do apologize... and am soooooooo sorry! If you had followed my schedule this past week... not sure you could have kept up with me. 1 AM last night (working w/tech support person 'til then on hardware) and 11 PM the night before last ... same thing. Hopefully, I do believe we might have it fixed... saying it in a very guarded manner. Our new (used) imagesetter... hey boy do the files that we output look great! And I thought I loved 300 dpi... :) O, FYI..... son is commercial printer, so need the added high resolution. ======================================= Lloyd..... hahahahahaha.... I have a wall of full length mirrors in the bedroom (closets behind them) and I sure can sympathize with you. = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 109 Fri Jan 22, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 21:40 EST I know Brad, I know. They are missing out on the tewo of us by not being able to have either or. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 110 Sat Jan 23, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [BILL] at 00:38 EST Dear All, I have been a lurker on this topic for some time, but would like to become a participant. A little about myself..... I have been fighting the weight battle most of my adult life and have won a few times, but the lbs. seem to sneak back. I need to take off between 20 and 30 lbs. I am very conscious of what I eat and do very well during the day, its between 7 and 10 pm that I have a problem. Usually when I'm tired and the willpower goes out the window. I am exercising daily. I do crunches, weights for upper arms, use Suzanne Sommer's thigh master, and use an Alpine skiing machine. A few months ago I lost 18 lbs of the weight, then we moved to a different state, I got stressed, quit exercising, and put it back on. Anyway, I am trying to get off the diet treadmill. I just want to eat less in a healthy way and tone my body properly and make it a normal way of life. Fad diets do not work for me. I bought a counted cross-stitch kit and have begun doing it while watching tv in the evenings to keep from snacking. Also, I use that time to work on my nails. (Hard to snack with wet nails!) Anyway, I want to make even more of a commitment by joining you all. I think the weekly weigh in and the motivation I feel from all of you, will definitely help. Just wanted to check in and tell you that you seem to be a great group and are doing a fantastic job of motivating each other. All hints, tips, etc. are gratefully welcome. Joni, will get you my stats before Sunday am. Hope to see you on the downside...........Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 111 Sat Jan 23, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 02:16 EST Joni: You're forgiven . Your schedule sounds much worse than mine. Keeping my fingers crossed that the problem is fixed. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 112 Sat Jan 23, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 02:40 EST Linda: Welcome to the group. It's too bad we can't all just motivate ourselves. But isn't it great that we have friends to give us a boost when we let ourselves down? Your exercise plan sounds great. I also use the keep-the- hands-busy- so-I-can't-eat plan. It is definitely hard to snack while working on needlework. But watch out -- that cross stitch is addictive too. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 113 Sat Jan 23, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 09:16 EST Welcome, Linda. You've come to a place where we can identify with you and are making the same effort you are. Hi, Val. Still hanging in there with the house full of people. WHen they leave and I get my house back in order, I plan to start an afgan for the youngest (newlyweds). Years ago I made Charles (the oldest) a ripple-crochet afgan in Dallas Cowboy colors. Larger than the pattern called for, since it was for a guy. Now David wants one, too. That should keep my hands busy. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 114 Sun Jan 24, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 01:36 EST Mary: Hi. That Cowboy afghan sounds like it would be really popular right now. :) I hope you get your privacy back soon so you can start concentrating on YOU. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 115 Sun Jan 24, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 02:10 EST Linda.... Welcome to our specil group of wannba be losers! WE all need to stick to together ot make it through this rough time in our life... do join in... ================================== Val.... I took time off last night and watched a great movie earlier and am now watching ice skating championships... but using my stair climber plus at the same time... nice to use it to music. :) ================================== Mary... wanna make me an afghan too??? = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 116 Sun Jan 24, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 02:26 EST Lloyd - What kind of crash diet are you planning? Mary - hang in there! Sometimes it really helps to have some kind of unmistakeable cut-off point after which you feel it's YOUR time. I was "on hold" for quite awhile until I finally moved to DC in December. Now the weight is just melting off, and I'm really pleased. Hi Joni - is the busy schedule helping you in your watching your food, or is it difficult for you lately? Hi Peachie - How are you doing? Linda - welcome! Sounds like you are doing well by yourself with excercise and the cross-stitch is a good idea. However, you can't do that every night so how about preparing low-cal evening snacks to have around, like fat-free pretzels, rice wafers, hot-air popcorn, carrot or celery sticks? Also, a piece of fruit or two can satisfy the desire for sweets without adding any fat to your diet. I love raspberries, and lately I've been buying them frozen (since they're not available fresh this time of year where I live) and I mix them with canned pears (in their own juice). They are so good! Hi Val - How are you doing? Slimmin' Sue :) ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 117 Sun Jan 24, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 08:34 EST >>> W.BASSETT1 [BILL] > I have been a lurker on this topic for some time, but would like to > become a participant. Bill, if you or anyone else wants a weekly e-mail reminder about posting your stats, let me know (here or via e-mail). I mail them out each Thursday...well, sometimes Friday...and even occasionally Saturday...but I think I've only missed one week. It's free, and it's no trouble to add names. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 118 Sun Jan 24, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 10:31 EST >>> S.KNAPP2 [Sue] > What kind of crash diet are you planning? The N.E.A.M. Diet: Not Eating As Much. Also, Exercise. SlimFast and other such stuff. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 119 Sun Jan 24, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 14:13 EST Hi there Sue. The Old Peach is just trying to hang in here with a lowfat plan. The problem I have is 3 fold. I find that if it's a no fat or FF food I want, then it has sugar and high sodium. No sugar, then it's fat. No salt--sugar and fat. How can I win? Really though, I have been going to the F&W board and getting lots of ideas and recipes and these are helping some. The main thing I need to do is get back on the treadmill. I do so well when I use it. I am trying to find a way to work it back into my routine now that it's tax season. See that you're back to doing the things that will help you maintain your "slimmin' Sue" imaage. Please keep at it. You will succeed. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 120 Sun Jan 24, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 14:31 EST I like to joke around, but has anyone here tried the eat anything, anytime you feel like it, diet? The one where you eat anything EXCEPT things that have white sugar or white flour in them. The logic for this working is that white sugar (sucrose) and white flour (highly refined - broken down) upset the body's natural digesting sequences and screw up everything else so the body is not able to regulate itself properly and you get FAT and your cholestrol goes UP and........well, has anybody tried it except me? It works for me and works for young ladies trying to clear up their complexions for modeling. Is it too simple for people to expect it to work? Is it too simple that nobody can make any money on it (nothing to sell you)? I really lost 35 pounds with this and a 3 times a week workout with underwater hockey. I am today 177 pounds, 6feet 1 inch tall, and over 50 years old. I can not pinch an inch. Remember, the body makes it's own cholestrol and NO studies have shown that eating fat (animal fat included) raises the cholestrol leval in a healthy individual. .............David A. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 121 Sun Jan 24, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [BILL] at 15:37 EST Hi all, Thanks Slimmin' Sue, Mary, Val, Joni, and Lloyd, for the warm welcome. Lloyd, I am Bill's wife, Linda. Guess I should go back and change the nickname to Bill/Linda. Yes, I would very much like a reminder to post stats. Thanks, Lloyd. Simmin' Sue: like your snack ideas!! I do need to take a break from cross stitch occasionally. No calories involved, but I may go blind. ;-) mmmmmmm....raspberries and pears. I have a wonderful recipe for a low cal lemon cheesecake for those who have to have a sweet occasionally. It has only 160 calories per slice. If it is ok, Joni, will post it here in a few days. It is also low fat. Sue, I decided that if nothing else, I'm going to do the exercising. There sure are times when I'd rather do anything else, but after I get started and get into it, it actually relaxes me when I'm through. It releases those good chemicals into the blood. A good feeling. Thanks again for all the support and welcomes.............Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 122 Sun Jan 24, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 16:12 EST Slimmin' Sue: Hi. I'm doing better. For the last 6 weeks or so of 1992 I couldn't concentrate on dieting or exercise so didn't lose any weight. During 1993, I've already lost 4! I'm beginning to look forward to Sundays so I can send in my stats. If I notice during the week that I lost a pound or so, I don't consider it official until Sunday. I often fluctuate 3-4 lbs from day to day. But it seems that these 4 lbs are real weight loss. I'm looking forward to the day I can wear "slacks" again instead of stretch pants. The stretch pants are comfy, but I'm getting tired of them. I hope you are doing well in '92 also. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 123 Sun Jan 24, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 20:45 EST Peachie - I know what you mean about finding foods that have no salt,sugar and are low or no fat also. My solution has been to cook my own, but I know how tough it is when you're busy! An idea I had but never tried myself is to have some kind of a food club. You can enlist a bunch of friends to all make a big batch of one recipe, like for soup or a casserole or spaghetti sauce, whatever you like, and then exchange with each other so everyone gets a variety of home cooked, low fat, no salt, no sugar foods they can freeze and use all week. I'm lucky right now, because I've got the time alone at home to do a lot of cooking, but if you have a lot of friends nearby in the same situation, you might want to try it. What kins of treadmill do you have? I would like to start walking more regularly myself. I so far am only getting my excercise by walking to the supermarket (about a mile away), but it's a start. And the lbs are coming off, but I know that if I don't step up the excercise, I'll eventually plateau. Thanks for your encouragement, and I know you'll do great too! David - I basically am eating anything, anytime I feel like it, but I am also making sure that what I have in the house to eat is all low-fat foods. I gave up white sugar and white flour years ago, and that's not all there is to it. As they say, fat makes you fat. Young women and men in general have an easier time losing weight than do mature women. Metabolism is a factor, lean to fat ratio is a factor. Especially older women who've dieted in the past, who have lost weight and gained back more each time, and thereby slowed down their metabolisms. I'm glad that the way of eating you employ has worked for you and the young models you work with, but it won't necessarily work for everyone.[D The excercise certainly is great, and I hope to be posting soon about my progress in that department. I'm really pleased about how I'm doing without much excercise, but I need it, not just to lose weight, but to improve my energy and general well-being. Also, where did you get your information about animal fat not raising the cholesterol levels of healthy individuals? I don't have any studies I can quote you about it, but I have personal knowledge of several individuals including my father and my sister's sister-in-law that had high cholesterol levels until they reduced their fat, especially animal fat, intakes. Linda - Yes, it can be hard to overcome the inertia and start excercising. Whenever I've been away from it for awhile (like now - it's been almost a year since I was really regularly excercising, lifting weights and doind stairmaster aerobics) and I go back to it, I feel so good that I say to myself "What took me so long to get back to doing something that feels so good?" But I am working up to it, slowly biut surely. Val - I look forward to Sunday weigh-ins too! I fluctuate a few pounds too, when I was a member of Weight Watchers, it was explained to me that when you are burning fat, it converts to water before your body releases it, and weeks when you are losing, you can show a gain in the middle of the week if you retain that water. That's one big reason that diet programs don't recommend you weighing yourself daily, because it tends to discourage you when you feel you've been "good" and you see a weight gain. But also, if you are doing excercise that builds muscle, weighing in can be deceptive since muscle weighs more than fat, so you can lose inches and actually gain pounds. I've never had a skin calipers test to determine percentage of body fat, or been weighed underwater (two methods often considered more reliable than the scale to measure fat-loss), but I know when I start my weights routines that the lbs may not come off seemingly as fast, but if I add more lean muscle tissue to my body, I know I'm becoming more efficient at burning fat, and my clothes will get looser. I'm rather tired of my "fat clothes" too. One thing I am concerned about is my skin. I've been about 60 lbs overweight for close to 15 years now, and I don't want my skin to hang. I know that drinking water and excercising will help avoid it, but is there anyone out there who has lost a lot of weight after being fat for many years who can tell me their experiences with this? Let's keep up the good work, gang! -Slimmin' Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 124 Mon Jan 25, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:07 EST Here we go! Stat time! Sharon.... (S.HAYES10) .... has lost 3 weeks running! YAY for Sharon! Exercised 5X !!!!! Bill ..... (W.BASSETT1) ... Hmmmm Bill you reported your current weight and your goal... but did you lose any lbs. this week? Lloyd .... (L.DEVRIES) ... What can I say... better luck next week! Better schedule, huh?! Mary ..... (M.RHOADES1) ... ) We both.... Joni ..... (NASS) ......... ) gained 1 lb. this week! Val ...... (V.ROWE1) ....... Valerie -- great going, with your LOSS of 2 lbs. and exercised 3X Patricia .. (P.CASSEDY1) ... has joined our group, but you didn't tell my how much you have lost, each week we report our successes/failures. Failure we are not, just set back a tad... better luck to all of us for next week! Me included! =-= Joni =-= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 125 Mon Jan 25, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:13 EST Nice to see the great activity and sharing... I don't have time tonight to post an individual message to each one of you... but collectively we'll drop those pounds in '93 with all this support -- keep it up gang! =============================== Linda... do post your recipe for all to share! Thanks. = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 126 Mon Jan 25, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 22:09 EST Lovely Lemon Cheesecake 1 whole graham cracker, crushed 1 pkg. (4 serv. size) Jello Sugar free lemon gelatin 2/3 cup boiling water 1 cup 1% low-fat cottage cheese 1 container (8 oz.) light process cream cheese product (softened) 2 cups thawed Cool Whip Lite whipped topping 1 cup reduced calorie cherry pie filling Spray 8 or 9 inch springform pan or 9 in. pie plate with nonstick cooking spray. Sprinkle sides with half of graham cracker crumbs. Completely dissolve gelatin in boiling water in small bowl. Pour into blender container. Add cheeses, blend at medium speed, scraping down sides occasionally, about 2 minutes or until mixture is completely smooth. Pour into large bowl. Gently stir in whipped topping. Pour into prepared pan; smooth top. Sprinkle remaining crumbs around outside edge, leaving center plain. Chill until set, about 4 hours. Just before serving, decorate top of cheesecake with pie filling and cut. Makes 8 servings. Calories: 160, Fat: 7g, Cholesterol 15mg, Sodium: 330mg. I have served this to company and they all rave about it. You won't even miss the graham cracker crust. Joni: Am fixing the nickname so there will be no more mixups. I am Bill's wife, Linda. No, I haven't lost any weight yet. The stats I gave you were my starting stats as of Sat. Hope to have something good to report on Sunday.:-) Way to go all of you! Many congrats on your losses! Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 127 Tue Jan 26, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:37 EST Linda... Thanks for posting the recipe for Lovely Lemon Cheesecake... hehehe, I can see the damage it is doing already to our group. I hope others will enjoy it as they * lurk * -- hey guys and gals, you know you have to eat a lurker cookie that I am offering to you so you can post... that means to become an * unlurker * ... :) = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 128 Tue Jan 26, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 02:03 EST Sharon: Wow! Three weeks in a row... Me too! Doesn't it feel great, even if it's a small amount... It's progress. I did break down today and have some Cheetos (they should be outlawed!) but I'll make up for it with exercise and water and fruit the next couple of days. Fruit is my favorite diet food. I can only eat so many vegetables, but pears, oranges, bananas... all are great. Everyone else: Keep on trying. It took me awhile to get started, and I wanted to drop out of this discussion when I wasn't making progress, but the support here is wonderful. Thanks, Joni, Lloyd, Sue, Mary,...and everyone else. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 129 Tue Jan 26, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 07:50 EST Hi Sue, I made a great Turkey Chili on Sunday with brown rice. Little salt, sugar and virtually no fat. Great meal. Also made my low fat, applesauce cornbread--yum yum. Most of my friends are ok in the weight department so I'm having to go this one alone, but with the recipes that I'm finding on F&W BB, I'm mmanaging nicely. I am back to not weighing myself, so I won't get discouraged. I bought my treadmill about 2 years ago from Sears. Calculates almost everything and checks your pulse. Many people say those things don't really work. Maybe not, but they give you a general idea as to whether you're overdoing it or not. I really like it and it really does help me when I'm able to work it in on a regular basis. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 130 Tue Jan 26, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 08:21 EST Joni: Someone once suggested that I make some afgans to sell. I told them at the rate I go, based on a very cheap hourly rate, each afgan should sell for about $700. Sue: You have some really good suggestions for low-fat snacks. May I add another? The Mr. Phipps Pretzel Chips people have come out with Mr. Phipps Tater Crisps. I've been putting some in a sandwich bag for my husband to take to work, and he loves them, particularly the Sour Cream/Onion ones. At home, you would need to be able to limit yourself. Too much of anything is damaging. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 131 Tue Jan 26, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 22:55 EST Joni: Really didn't mean to do damage.....ugh...guess we do have to practice portion control. Maybe just fix it for company....... Val: You seem to be doing well on your treadmill. I have one of those Alpine skiing machines that I use everyday. It has one of those elec. gadgets too. It tells how many calories burned, but I swear its wrong. After 15 min. it shows only 20 calories. Feels like it should be at least 200! Some time ago I bought some diet software but hadn't used it in awhile. Since joining all of you, I decided to use it again. You list all foods eaten during the day and it gives an analysis by calories, vitamins, sodium, fat, cholesterol, etc. Last night for dinner we had Cornish hens and a little stovetop stuffing and raw vegetables. I was quite suprised when I did the analysis and found stovetop stuffing at the very top for sodium content and FAT!!! Till next time, Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 132 Wed Jan 27, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:13 EST Oooopss, Mary -- I guess that leaves me out... will have to make my own afghan. I do agree, with handwork you can never get back what you really put into it. That's my own HO. =========================== Linda.... That's right, too often we have a small portion of something that looks sooooooo innocent -- only to find out, as you did, that it is high in sodium (which is gonna retain water) and fat. = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 133 Wed Jan 27, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 05:25 EST Hi Peachie, Applesauce cornbread? Sounds good, did you ever post the recipe here? And if not, would you? If there are eggs or milk I can adapt it to vegan easily enough with egg replacer and soy milk. I haven't yet checked out the Food & Wine BB, but I'll get there eventually. Good idea not to weigh yourself at this time, you know how you're eating and if you keep it up with the treadmill, you're bound to lose soon. Mary - I've tried the Mr. Phipps pretzel chips and the tater crisps, and they're both good. I also found a new potato crisp in the health food store (I don't recall the name at the moment, but I'll write it later when I get to the store), and they are also really low in fat and taste great. A regular bag of potato chips, if you were to eat the whole bag (which I'm sure all of us have done at one time or another - or many!) has about 60 grams of fat. When you're trying to lose weight, women should try to keep their intake of fat to between 20 and 30 per day, and men, between 30 and 40. So a bag of potato chips has enough fat for two to three days! The potato crisps I found have only 10 grams of fat per bag, so even if you get a bit out of control, you haven't done that much damage. Of course there still is the sodium problem. I also like various different kinds of rice crackers and wafers found in health food stores, and while some people don't think they have enough taste, I find that if you start cutting salt down and out of your diet, you appreciate the flavors of plainer food more. I used to put salt on food, but I stopped that over 15 years ago (it was one of the first big dietary changes I made, I was in Junior High and started doing a project about food additives, and discovered I didn't need all that salt). Joni - It's my turn to get left out of the stats, I guess. Should I cry? Or will you get around to each of us in turn? ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 134 Wed Jan 27, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 08:12 EST Hey, Linda! Thanks a lot for the cheesecake recipe. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 135 Wed Jan 27, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 22:20 EST egads... I want to renege on giving stats this week so I wont have to mess up a good record ;) Val, I'm not ON a =diet= for the first time and I am doing well. I just do this --- before I consider OVEReating, I remind myself that the food will be there tomorrow. It seems to work for me AND I am eating WHAT I want, just not how much I would like to sometimes. I actually let myself get away with a handful of M&Ms at a movie on the weekend.... felt great about it because I HAD THOSE M&Ms, but I didn't OVERDO it. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 136 Wed Jan 27, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 23:54 EST Mary: ROFL! That sounds like the speed at which I crochet or do any other craft. I wanted to get my Mom a quilt for Christmas, and some friends told me I should make her one. I replied, "She's 75 already; I don't think she has _time_ for me to make a quilt!" :) Still doing ok this week. I've been eating a lot of pears and oranges. Linda: Re: Stove-top Stuffing & sodium. Yes, almost everything I really like is loaded with sodium. :( Besides, I really like salt, and it's hard for me to cut back. I've never found a salt substitute that I like. It's _salt_ that I like, not something that can be substituted for it. My Dad did great with cutting salt out almost completely. Mashed potatoes without any salt taste awful!!! I tried one of those ski machines, but couldn't get into the rhythm of it. I'm glad you're able to use it everyday. It sounds like there might very well be something wrong with your calorie counter on it though. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 137 Thu Jan 28, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 01:06 EST Mary, You're welcome. Hope you like the cheesecake. Val, I LOVE salt, too. My weakness. I'll take something salty and crunchy over sweets anytime. I am trying to use Morton's Lite Salt. I know it's not salt-free, but has half the sodium of regular. I have a tendency to use more of it, though, and am trying not to. It is definitely not the same on popcorn, though. I don't have to watch it for health reasons; I have low to normal blood pressure, low, low cholesterol, etc.; it just causes me to retain so much :-( I have been feeling extra tired this week. Don't understand why. I'm getting the exercise, taking vitamins, and eating sensibly. I added two more minutes onto the skiing machine; that's the only difference. Maybe my body is going into an adjustment phase???? Sharon, Bravo for stopping with just a handful of M & Ms. I'm not at that point yet. If I would have just one I couldn't stop. Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 138 Thu Jan 28, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 08:29 EST I also discovered that Keebler Munchems have the same amount of fat the the Mr. Phipps chips do. And there are several more flavors. Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 139 Thu Jan 28, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:33 EST Oh, Sue! I struck again... UNKNOWINGLY! Sorry, but it does look like I'm making the rounds... ** unintentionally **! =================================== Val... I use *all natural* Vege-Sal -- for most everything, except eggs, however there is a recipe on the back of the box called 2Double Protein Scrambled Eggs" -- sounds intersting.. It works, does have sea salt in it and lots of veggies... is yummy. It's made by Gaeylord Hauser - Modern Products - try it you might like it. I'll bet you can get it in a health food store too. I send direct for it. ===================================== Sharon... that takes willpower to stop at ONE handfull of M & M's. That means you can do it... you have the will power - something I come up short on. = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 140 Fri Jan 29, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 04:16 EST Sharon - Hurray! I know what you mean about reminding yourself that the food will be there tomorrow, and eating what you want, but controlling the portions. We humans are biologically programmed for survival, and to too many of us that means "eat all you can whenever you can, for tomorrow we may starve". It worked well for us in the distant past, but it doesn't apply today, and it's hard to convince the brain to override the body. For me, it's also been difficult to overcome the psychology that was set up in our family, which was my dad and I tried to eat and my mother tried to limit us. As soon as I started making my own money, it meant power to buy and eat whatever I wanted - which in JHS, was candy. It's really great to be able to be an adult, with the power to make my own choices, but there has been a part of me still all these years that felt I had to prove that I could eat all I wanted of whatever I wanted. You know the result of that - fat. It's not completely under control, but I can have chocolate now and again without eating the whole bar, potato chips without eating the whole bag, etc. But I don't keep those foods in my house, to make it even easier for me, as well as healthier. I do find that when I allow myself to eat whatever I want that's in the house (which is all low-fat now),I'm eating so much less that I'm amazed. Part of it was trying to eat the way my husband eats. We don't have any formal mealtimes in our household, and since I'm vegetarian and he's not, we each make our own meals. My husband only eats when he's hungry, and when he is he eats whatever he's in the mood for. He's always been thin. If he's not hungry, he'll go all day without eating (which my Jewish mother finds hard to deal with, even though she's never really been one of those 'Eat, Bubbuleh, or you'll get skinny and die' types). I'm not sure how well handle meals when we have kids, but that's probably years away at this point. Val - About mashed potatoes - do you like mustard? Lemon and garlic powder? If so, you might try those on mashed potatoes. I know, it's hard to give up a taste you like, especially one that's in so many processed foods. I used to put salt on tomatoes, popcorn, corn on the cob, and ketchup on a lot of other foods I ate when I was a kid, like hamburgers, eggs,chicken, french fries - and ketchup is of course loaded with salt. I really don't remember how I managed to give it up so completely, but I don't miss it at all now. I leave it out of any recipes I make, and I read labels and don't buy food that has added salt if I can find the salt-free kind or make it myself. I only know it can make a big difference in losing weight. I read a book awhile back by Eda LeShan, the children's psychologist, and she had lost over 60 lbs and kept it off by going to the famous Rice Diet clinic in North Carolina. She emphasized how she had always eaten foods laden with salt since she was a child, and she went on the Rice Diet in her 50's, I believe. One of the main tenets at the clinic was a very strict no salt policy. It has to do not only with fluid retention, but about the interplay between electrolyte balance (sodium is one of the body's electrolytes, along with acids and bases) and the appestat, the body/brain's appetite control. So if you can do it gradually, you should be better off without the salt. Good luck, I know it won't be easy for you. Linda - It sounds quite likely that you are going through an adjustment period. You mentioned excercise and food intake, but (it may seem obvious, but I'll ask anyway) how about sleep? So many of us (me too) don't get enough sleep. Especially when you're upping your activity level, and reducing your weight, your body needs its rest. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 141 Fri Jan 29, 1993 M.RHOADES1 [Mary] at 07:35 EST Re: the afgan One year when my oldest son was stationed in Germany, we talked to him in October. I asked him what he wanted for Christmas and he said, "Mom! I told you last Christmas what I wanted this year." I said, "What was it?" He said, "An afgan in Dallas Cowboy colors." Long pause. I said, "What's your second choice? I'll start on that one in time for NEXT Christmas." Mary ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 142 Fri Jan 29, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 20:46 EST Joni: Thanks for the tip about Vege-Sal. I'll look for it and try it. I'm also short of willpower. If it's in the house or within reach, I'll eat it :( Sue: I never thought of the "I'm an adult and I can buy and eat anything I want" theory. But it sure does sound like me. I really enjoy being able to buy what I want and eating the whole bag (of Cheetos, etc.) if I want too. Understanding the psychology behind that might help me curtail it. Mashed potatoes with mustard? :b But maybe they'd be okay with lemon and garlic powder (although I usually use garlic =salt=). I also hate salt-free catsup. I'd rather do without than have it that way. I had a boss who went to N.Carolina for that rice diet. He lost 65 lbs, but gained it back within a year. While he was on the diet he was denied everything he liked (including alcohol). But when he got back home, he just went back to old habits after the first few weeks. It was too drastic a change for him apparently. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 143 Fri Jan 29, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 22:48 EST Mary - I never heard of Keebler Munchems, I'll have to try them out. Joni - You're forgiven. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 144 Sat Jan 30, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:06 EST Thanks, Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 145 Sat Jan 30, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 15:11 EST You're most likely right, Sue, my sleep habits have been eratic this week. Finally got good sleep last night and feel much better, thanks. Well, I think I've lost a little this week. Tomorrow will tell. But guess where I always lose first?? No, not there. In the fingers. Of all the places I really need to lose it!!! My rings are loose. How are you doin, Val? I, too, want to try the Vege Salt. Does anyone use a butter substitute, like Molly McButter? Is it good on popcorn, corn, etc.? Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 146 Sat Jan 30, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:58 EST Sure Linda, I have tried to use the butter substitute, only when I am absolutely serious about dropping the lbs. = JOni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 147 Sun Jan 31, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 07:23 EST What are we doing?????????????? Taking all these strange chemicals into our bodies. Have we forgotten what we have been eating for thousands of years? MOderation and exercise - period! Use your brain power - not Madisan Avenue's sales pitches. . (this message is for me too) . ............... David A. . . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 148 Sun Jan 31, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 12:45 EST It's hard to figure exactly what I did this week, in terms of weight loss. (The rest can be explained by memory loss.) I now have the electronic scale allegedly working again. Earlier in the week, it showed I might have lost as much as 5-7 pounds this week (?), but, following last night's Peanut Buster Parfait from DQ, I'll go with 2. I exercised 3 times. I ate less. Now I go on the overnights for a week and backslide some more. :( Has anyone else noticed that home scales are more optimistic than the ones in doctors' offices and health clubs? Is it just this crummy Sunbeam digital, or all home scales? And is it done on purpose? <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 149 Sun Jan 31, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 16:10 EST Hi Sue, no I never posted the recipe because here's what you do. Make your cornbread like you normally do except instead of say 1/3C of oil, use 1/3C applesauce. I also use nonfat milk and eggbeaters. It is really very, very good and even my husband likes it. Read in our paper Thuirsday that there is a FF potato chip out. It's called Louise's Original FF potato chip and it comes in 4 flavors. Haven't found it yet but will look for it. One more thing. I buy guilless gourmet saltless nacho cips. Received a survey from them the other day and to do the surve they would send me 1 of 3 gifts. The gift I chose was a case (24/1 oz bags) of the chips. I love them with Health Valley FF chili and Healthy Choice FF cheese. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 150 Sun Jan 31, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 18:40 EST Linda: I was hesitant to use butter substitutes at first. But then I tried Molly McButter, and I do like it. It is good on popcorn. ::cough:: I caught a cold or some crud last week and have been having chills etc. for the last 4 days. Yuk! David: While moderation and exercise may be a simple solution for you, it isn't as easy for some of us who have been battling the lbs for what seems like thousands of years. I'm sorry if this sounds defensive (it probably is), but I just wanted to point out that each of us has a unique set of problems with weight. Lloyd: Yes I always gain 5 lbs from my home scale to the Dr's scale. :( So, I always go by mine. :) For me it's not what I weigh, it's the loss or gain :( that counts. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 151 Mon Feb 01, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 19:57 EST Peachie: Sounds like you've found some great products. Let us know if you find the chips. Sounds good. Are you just trying to limit fat from your diet? I know alot of people have lost weight just by cutting fat and eating everything else. Rosanne and Tom Arnold have lost alot this way. There is a woman who appears regularly on the Home Show who has a program called "Stop the Insanity", who says you can lose weight by cutting only fat. She says you can eat 32 baked potatoes if you want to, just don't eat fat. Don't know if this is just hype. For me, seems I have to take calories into consideration. Val: Hope you get over your cold soon. Can be miserable this time of year. Thanks for the info on M. McButter, Val and Joni. Val, I agree with you. Most men, it seems, can lose weight more easily just by cutting back a little and exercising. It seems just to fall off. Women's bodies want to hang on to every fat cell. Especially after age 40, it seems. Just a fact. I'm for everyone doing whatever seems to work for them. No one of us are the same. And if making use of different products, whether Madison Avenue hype or not, seems to help, why not? I believe in good nutrition and in exercise. I don't see where using a salt substitute or butter substitute violates this belief. Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 152 Mon Feb 01, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 21:02 EST Lloyd.... I tend to disagree with you about doctor's offices... when I visited the Chiropractor last year several times, after my back went out TWICE within 4 days, I was thrilled everytime he weighed me... his scales registered 4 lbs. less than mine. Who know which one was right... just made me feel ecstatic! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 153 Mon Feb 01, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 21:29 EST Linda: Thanks for your support re: each person using the method(s) that work best for him/her. :) Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 154 Tue Feb 02, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 00:39 EST Mary - I started a baby blanket for a friend of mine when she was pregnant. Her daughter is two now, and (you guessed it) - I never did get around to finishing it. But I did make one for her son the year prior, and she loved it. Maybe I'll complete the other one someday... Val - It really took me a long time until I could have a bag of chips or a box of crackers or a pint of sorbet around without finishing it all as soon as I opened it. Part of what helps is holding the food in my hand and actually saying to myself "I CAN eat this all if I want to. Now, do I WANT to?" Same goes for dinners in restaurants. It's only within the last year or so that I've really "gotten" the fact that I can eat half of my dinner and take the rest of it home for lunch or dinner the next day. That way I don't leave the restaurant stuffed like I always used to. Also, that way I can have a salad (with only a few slices of lemon and some pepper for dressing) and some bread (which I eat without butter or margarine), and load up on those nice healthy carbohydrates at the same time I cut down on the protein in the entree. The kind of mustard I like on potatoes is a stoneground dijon-style mustard, not plain old yellow. But you may not like that one either. Do you have any Ruby Tuesday restaurants around your area? They carry their own brand Alternative Seasoning that is sodium free and is really tasty on potatoes. It has a blend of dehydrated vegetables (onion,carrot,garlic,red bell peppers,tomato), spices including mustard, orange peel, soy oil, dehydrated parsley and dill, and lemon oil. Yum! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 155 Tue Feb 02, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:02 EST ------ It's STAT Time Again... here we go ----- Sharon Hayes - lost 0 lbs. & exercised 4 times. -- maintenance - excellent! -- Patricia Burroughs - LOST 4 lbs. Yay!!! Mary Rhoades - lost 1.5 lbs. this week! Yay! Linda Bassett - lost 2 lbs. this week Yay! Lloyd DeVries - has a *touchy* scale... ??? up or down 2 lbs. - not sure! Keep on trying Lloyd Valerie Rowe -- LOST 1 lb. this week! Yay! Hope your cold is better! Joan Kumpitsch - BOO! BOO! gained 2 lbs. HOORAY! FOR ALL THE LOSERS! Keep trying -- Joni Looks like you are all on a roll, except me! I'll still get there someday! = Joni = ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 156 Tue Feb 02, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 18:40 EST >>> NASS [Joni] > his scales registered 4 lbs. less than mine. Sounds like a chiropracter who knows the value of public relations ;) I _know_ I lost at least 2 pounds; it might have been more, but since I can't tell you what I weighed when the scale's battery was running out and it was acting silly, I don't know if it might have been more than that. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 157 Tue Feb 02, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 21:38 EST Linda, I am just trying to count Fat grams. If you don't eat fat, you can't get fat so I'm trying this approach but it is hard some days. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 158 Wed Feb 03, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 19:50 EST Linda - Glad to hear you're feeling better. I was at my health food store the other night and I noticed a product that was for sprinkling on popcorn, I think it was a blend of spices. I'll look for it again next time I go and see what's in it. I know my friend's dad uses Butter Buds, and Cher and Robert Haas also recommend them for folks who like the taste of butter without so much fat. I have lost weight just cutting out fat, but of course it's best to combine approaches, to excercise modrately in addition to the dietary changes you make. I have been here in DC now for nearly six weeks, and I still haven't gotten myself motivated to do more than just walk to and from the store (about a mile each way) about three times a week. My sleep schedule is all screwy, I've been getting to sleep around 4 am and waking after noon, and I've been doing a lot of stuff around the house, which I need to do, but I do want to start my workouts again. But I am being patient with myself. And it's funny you should mention "Stop The Insanity" because I just saw an info-mercial for it for the first time about a week ago. She repeated a theme that I know is true; if you want to lose weight and keep it off, you have to do three things - you have to EAT (the right stuff, of course, lots of carbos, moderate protein, fiber, and low fat), you have to BREATHE, (oxygen is fuel just as much as food is), and you have to MOVE. I'm doing well with the eating, but I know I breathe too shallowly most of the time, and I'm not moving enough. About what David said, I'm not sure whether or not one of my posts got uploaded, but I wrote a long diatribe about the some of the things he said earlier. It seems David has found that for himself, and for young women models he works with, moderate intake of food and moderate excercise has been useful in losing excess pounds. I pointed out that for men it's always easier for them to lose because they have proportionately more muscle mass (lean body tissue) than women, and muscle is more metabolically active than fat - men and women of equal size and consuming equal calories and performing equal amounts of activity burn fat at different rates; men usually faster. And since women are designed for baby-producing and feeding, their bodies "want" to hold on to the fat. As women get older (men too), their metabolism slows down somewhat, and especially women who have previously gone on crash diets (which many if not most American women have done, in response to ridiculous pressure to live up to unrealistic standards), because every time the body perceives famine, it becomes more efficient at holding on to fat. Everyone has to find the best way for him/herself to lose weight, and if appealing to your taste buds with imitation products helps you avoid feeling deprived and helps you stay on track with a healthy eating program, great. Do it. It's great if you don't have much trouble losing weight. But don't expect that others with different body types and dieting histories will always have such an easy time of it. (End diatribe) I hope this wasn't just a repeat of an earlier post, but I wanted it said. Lloyd - Both of my scales are still screwy (or is it again?) The electronic one hasn't given me an accurate weight in weeks now, and I really should just chuck it in the trash. The other one which had been fine for so long, is now fluctuating about 4-5 lbs in either direction at any given time, so I am DEFINIETELY going to buy a new one ASAP, hopefully today when I wake up. Why does overnights mean backsliding? Isn't there anything you can do to make it easier for yourself to eat the way you know you want to so you can meet your goal? Come on Lloyd, don't give up before you even start! What can we do to encourage you? Hi Peachie - I made two different kinds of muffins last night, and I used applesauce instead of oil in each of them, and they came out great! Thanks for the tip. Have you found the FF chips yet? I'm going to ask about them in my store. I love potato chips! Those guiltless gourmet tortilla chips, are they the ones that are baked instead of fried? I've eaten those fat free corn chips, and they are great. Especially if youre making guacamole, which has so much fat itself, it's good to have a fat-free corn chip to go with them. Val - sorry to hear about your cold. I hope you're feeling better. Joni - I bought a copy of Fitness magazine, and saw the ads for Stair Climber Plus. I had never seen a stair climber like that before - I recognized the name as one you own. Does yours come with the arm attachments? When you use it, do your feet hit the bottom on every step, or can you push off the pedal to adjust to your own step height? I still own a big old clunky Sears stepper I bought years ago, but I'd love something more compact if I can sellthe old one, and I want to compare stair machines. I hope to have accurate stats for next week, if I can find a decent scale this week. I hope my last readings weren't too far from the truth. -Sue ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 159 Wed Feb 03, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 23:25 EST Hi Sue, All I can say is "well said". That woman (can't remember her name) with "Stop the Insanity" certainly has a nice shape, but the hair??? Oh well, to each his own. A good walk 3 times per week is moving. I'd say you're doing fine. I bought some McButter and used it on popcorn a couple nights ago; it was fine. Popcorn is one of my addictions, though. Can't stop with just a couple of cups. :-( You were speaking of your scales. My husband came home last week and informed me that our scales were off 10 lbs. He had weighed himself at work and they were 10 lbs. heavier. (Not what I want to hear and pretended I didn't.) Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 160 Thu Feb 04, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 06:17 EST Sue, Sounds correct to me. I do know also that men hav three layers of epidermus while women have four. That 4th layer is a faty layer. Maybe that is why I like to snuggle with women - they are softer. Linda, your husband is just doing what I do to be nasty sometimes. . ........... David A. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 161 Thu Feb 04, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 23:05 EST David A., When I am really trying to cut back, my husband starts eating double portions. It's really crazy!! He is Sicilian and you know how they love to eat. He grew up on all that pasta and pastry. Sometimes makes it doubly hard. :-( He is at normal weight, but is borderline diabetic, and has to take medication for that and for triglycerides. So he is supposed to watch his diet, too. I try to cook healthy, but he sabotoges (sp.) me sometimes. I've learned that it is pointless to nag or remind him of his diet. It is something that he has to control for himself. I'm glad you're doing so well with your underwater hockey and just cutting back. Are you still on an ice cream frenzy? Do you ever eat frozen yogurt? Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 162 Fri Feb 05, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 20:53 EST Frozen yogurt? Frozen yogurt? I love it! I finished off an Edy's Frozen Yogurt Inspiration yesterday (Cookies & Cream). Probably the frozen yogurt has more sugar in it than ice cream so may not be as good as I (we) wish it to be for us. I have been diluting my ice creams and frozen yogurts with good plain yogurt half and half. That way I can eat more and feel less guilty. Also it cuts down on the sweetness. I buy yogurt by the quart (about 1.oo to 1.39). Good yogurt - not Dannon or junkey store brands that are really yogurt flavored jello. Hey, if you were mine I would really sabotage you. The feeding frenzy has died down - nobody is buying great gobs of ice cream for me these days and I only buy it a couple of times a week. . BTW I was at an attorney's office the other day (he is very over weight) and he gave himself a blood test. I was curious so he showed me (pricked his finger, he did). His reading for sugar was around 400. I do not know what it means, but we did mine and he said mine was normal (it was exactly 100), and this was about a half hour after eating ice cream (around 10 am). Any ideas what this means? . ............ David A. . . ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 163 Fri Feb 05, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 23:47 EST David A., Means anyone who eats ice cream at 10 a.m. is a candidate for a 12 step program. (BG) Seriously, just means your bod metabolizes sugar properly. Now the lawyer, on the other hand............ Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 164 Fri Feb 05, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 23:59 EST Linda - I wouldn't worry too much about the popcorn addiction, after all, it's very little calories itself, it's high in carbos, and it's mostly what you put on it that makes it fattening, and you're not using butter, right? And it's got fiber, which is good. I bought a new scale, and the day I got it and weighed myself, it was seven pounds heavier than what I thought I weighed. I was NOT happy, but I also had been eating foods with fat more the few days prior to that, so I cut back on the fat again, and as of this morning, I was back to the weight I thought I was at before my scales went kablooey. We'll see what happens by Sunday a.m. David - I like to snuggle with anyone I care about :) (But especially my very cuddly husband). I hang out a lot with Science Fiction fans, and we're a very huggy bunch. I met my husband at an SF con. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 165 Sat Feb 06, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 06:34 EST Sue, I think I'll look into science fiction . Linda, the attourney used to be a skin diver so I asked him to do me a favor - either come play underwater hockey with me or name me in his will. . ............ David A. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 166 Sat Feb 06, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 07:17 EST >>> S.KNAPP2 [Sue] > Why does overnights mean backsliding? You eat to stay awake. It's not just me; everyone I know who occasionally works overnights -- and even some who work 'em regularly -- does it. Plus, your schedule is thrown off. I'd wake up this week at 6:30 pm...for dinner with the family. And when I returned home from work at 9 am, it was time for dinner (again) and bed. > Isn't there anything you can do to make it easier for yourself to eat > the way you know you want to so you can meet your goal? It takes massive willpower. I tried to eat less, and I made sure I had the various diet foods with me at work. Even so, as I nodded off at 5 am, I'd go down to the cafeteria for a corn muffin. > Come on Lloyd, don't give up before you even start! What can we do to > encourage you? Find me a new job that doesn't require overnights??? <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 167 Sat Feb 06, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 12:40 EST Drink lots of water! You will stay awake easier for a couple of reasons. One is that you will have to get up and pee a lot. The other one is not as obvious but you will not be as hungry if you keep your tummy full. David A. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 168 Sat Feb 06, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 14:28 EST David A., (ROFL!) Lloyd, I'm sympathetic. Nothing can screw up all areas of your life like working irregular hours. David's suggestion was a good one, though. Hi Sue, Glad you're back down where you want to be. I am sticking to my scales and not worrying what other scales read. All that matters to me is a loss, no matter how small. To me that's progress. So you owe it all to science fiction, huh? Do you still go to the conventions? I like SF too, but am more into horror (King, Koonce, McCammon, Straub, Barker, etc.) Oh, Oh, topic drift. Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 169 Sat Feb 06, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 22:34 EST Lloyd... Your will power sounds like mine... zilch... we'll see how much I'm gonna have this week... after breakkfast on Tues. A.M. -- only clear liquids 'til Thursday AM for me this will be either torture or the beginning of will power. We'll see. =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 170 Sat Feb 06, 1993 PEACHIE [TAX PREP] at 22:39 EST Hi Sue, most of my posts will be late because I'm a tax preparer, but I will answer. The FF chips have not been found by me YET because I haven't had a chance to visit my neighborhood grocer. The GG are the ones that are baked instead of fried and I love them with the HV FF chili. Will let you know if I find the chips. * * * * * * * * * PEACHIE!! * * * * * * * * * * ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 171 Sun Feb 07, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 09:42 EST >>> NASS [Joni] > Your will power sounds like mine... zilch... Actually, I think I showed remarkable will-power this past week on the overnight shift. First, I stayed awake. Second, I woke up when I had to, even though I wanted more sleep (LOTS more sleep). Third, I wanted to eat lots more than I did, and more-fattening things than I did. So I didn't do too badly. And my weight stayed steady...same point as last Sunday...so that's a Moral Victory right there. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 172 Sun Feb 07, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 21:14 EST Yep.... Lloyd... you sure did well! I relly think that my whole problem is NOT getting to beddy bye at a decent hour... I find that the later I stay up and the more tired I am the MORE I eat... junk! So... only one solution for me.... get myself in bed at a decent hour. =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 173 Sun Feb 07, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 23:35 EST Linda, my other half is Italian and it drives me NUTs. When I eat NORMALLY, even not dieting, he thinks I dont eat enough. Today, I counted an approximation and by 2 pm, he had eaten over 5,000 calories. ANd no, he isn't fat and doesn't have any health problems. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 174 Mon Feb 08, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 22:17 EST Here we go... STAT time again.... Hats off to: Florence Fried.... lost 1 lb. Yay!! Susan Kanpp ...... Status Quo - on maintenance! Great! Valerie Rowe ..... lost 1 lb. Yay!! Lloyd.. VICTORY!.. Status Quo - no loss no gain! Great! Bill Bassett ..... Status Quo - no loss no gain! Great! Sharon Hayes ..... Looks like + 2 lbs. Better luck next week, Sharon!!! Joan Kumpitsch.... didn't weigh in... am probably up or even... will let you know tomorrow... only weigh in the AM! That's it folks! Looks like I use a different format each week... at least I'm getting them posted. Sharon, if I goofed reading your report, please let me know. =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 175 Wed Feb 10, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 00:13 EST Egad! I'm hungry! Hungry! Hungry! Iced tea, juice, jello and such hardly cuts it. 31.5 more hours to go! I would however like to continue with less consumption once I get beyond this. Let's see what happens... maybe my will power will grow! =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 176 Wed Feb 10, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 01:46 EST Joni, Concerning stats: Its L I N D A Bassett :-) Bill doesn't need to diet ;-) Sharon, Ain't it the truth. Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 177 Wed Feb 10, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 01:57 EST Joni, Is there a medical reason for the liquid diet? Or just trying to get used to less food?? Sort of a jumpstart?? Hark! I hear a far away moaning.......:-) In sympathy--Linda p.s. Hang in there, Joni. Yea, Yea, Yea! You can do it! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 178 Wed Feb 10, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 20:46 EST Joni, Unfortunately, you read my stats right. Grin. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 179 Thu Feb 11, 1993 S.KNAPP2 [Sue] at 00:13 EST Lloyd - Good for you! It is a victory to maintain when you were afraid you'd gain. Joni - That has also been a difficulty for me the last few days, I'm staying up too late, and when I'm really sleepy and still awake, my vigilance/willpower/whatever you want to call it, goes out the window. I need to normalize my wake-sleep cycle. It's currently way off. My husband wakes up at 5:20am on weekdays, and that's about when I've been getting to sleep these past few weeks! I have lain down with him when he goes to sleep, around 11:30 or 12:00, but I lay there for an hour and am just too restless to sleep, or I sleep for an hour and then wake up alert and can't stand just laying there when I could be doing something productive (like signing on GEnie... ). Well, he's out of town on business this week, so maybe I can work on getting into a better sleep/wake cycle. Sharon and Linda - I have a friend who's in her early forties. She and her husband are both Italian, second generation American I think. She is Ms. Superwoman, always on the go, and alwyas has been skinny, except that when she gets pregnant (they have four kids), she can gain as much as 50 lbs. She told me that her husband LOVES how she looks when she's pregnant, and is disappointed when after the babies, she's lost all the weight! She says "Italian men appreciate some flesh on a woman". Congrats to Florence and Val, our winning losers, and the other maintainers. Slowly but surely! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 180 Thu Feb 11, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:52 EST Linda.... hehehe, I struck again.. and definitely not intentionally. Sorry about that folks.... yepper Linda... Linda... Linda and not Bill needs to diet... gotta cement that in my brain. Linda... yay, the liquid diet is over... exam was this AM and it turned out fine. But... I've kind of grown to like the *less* kind of diet. Brunch (my own choosing) saltines, cup of both tea and broth. Tonight was chicken that was simmered in chicken broth, onions and a tad of salt and pepper. I had one thigh and some left over rice with the juice. I kind of like, not kind of, but very much like the not over stuffed feeling. Let's see if I can continue to eat reasonably. If so, might lose a few pounds, now must throw some exercising in here to stay healthy. =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 181 Fri Feb 12, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 19:02 EST I need a ruling from the Judges: Wednesday night, I moved 6-700 pounds of stock downstairs from my office to the dining room, so another stamp dealer could come over, look at the stuff, and buy it all. Four hours later, after he decided he wasn't going to buy anything ("too much stuff," he said, even though we'd discussed that approximate figure), I moved it all BACK upstairs. Now I ask the Court: Does that count as exercise when I report in this Sunday? And how about today's snow-shoveling? I did make it to the Y yesterday, and got trained on the Stair Master. My knees are killing me today....which means I'd better work at it. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 182 Fri Feb 12, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 21:09 EST LLOYD, If your knees are hurting - Stay away from the star machine! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 183 Fri Feb 12, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 21:27 EST Lloyd... moving 1,200 lbs. of stuff is CERTAINLY exercise in a big way! I don't recommend it as something to tackle on a daily basis though... but you could build big muscles in your arms! =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 184 Sat Feb 13, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 01:45 EST Joni & Sue: Me too. Here it is past midnight and I'm still up! More often than not I get up at 5 or 6 a.m. and start typing. Have to get up early tomorrow 'cause Mom and I are going to mountain dulcimer festival in the morning. I realize I'd be better able to diet and to ward off colds/flu if I maintained decent sleeping habits. I'm trying to improve. Gosh, I haven't been on this RT for about a week. That's why I'm up so late -- trying to catch up. Lloyd: Here's one vote for counting the moving the stock and the snow shoveling as exercise. When I go shopping and walk around the store for 20-30 minutes, I count it as exercise, even if I don't walk vigorously. My lifestyle is soooo sedentary that any movement has to be counted as exercise. Good luck to everyone this week. I've been exercising more. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 185 Sat Feb 13, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 11:00 EST When I exercise, EVERYTHING hurts! :) Now we're just moving around the specific parts. <<>> Oh, a reminder about e-mailing weight loss stats to Joni by 12 noon Sunday. And if anyone else would like to be added to the e-mail reminder service (which could be sent out anywhere from Thursday through Saturday :), let me know. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 186 Sat Feb 13, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 15:39 EST hehehehehehhe, about exercising..... I shoveled this morning 'til I was wet from sweating, my coat was wet from snow, etc. I DID get some great exercise today... what I really should get every day! =+= Joni =+= P.S. Lloyd, my muscles will probably ache tomorrow! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 187 Mon Feb 15, 1993 L.SIMARD [Louis-Eric] at 00:12 EST Hello everybody ! It's been a while :) I've found an excellent book lately: "The Human Fuel Handbook", published by a small California company called Health For Life. It explains the digestion process in every detail, and it describes every micronutrient, from vitamin K to fatty acids, so you end up with knowledge that can compare with that of a nutritionist. I lost five pounds this week alone just by applying some of that newfound knowledge, and I don't feel deprived at all. I just did the following: - Replaced my evening coffee with a glass of milk and my daily Coke with a bottle of papaya juice. - Changed my snacking habits I also drink a full liter of fruit juice DURING my workouts, sending my insulin level right through the roof. The only thing I miss, though, is the warmth of that evening coffee. If someone has a recipe for a hot fruit-based drink, could you please post it here ? David: There is no major difference between white sugar, brown sugar, and turbinado sugar. Brown sugar is simply white sugar with molasses added at the factory. Turbinado sugar is the same, but cut in larger chunks. Actually, the very best sweetener is dark molasses: six times as sweet as sugar, yet half the calories . You're absolutely right about white flour. Brown flour has a lot more fiber, which helps the digestion process while slowing down sugar digestion. That's excellent advice to give your models. Lloyd: Thanks for reminding me even though I was absent; it kept me focused on that goal. You and Joni are doing a great job ! All: I need some advice. My grand-mother is just about to retire. She's 70; she's extremely active and lively (she walks 2 hours/day, even through Quebec City's dreaded winter) -- she worked at a department store for the last few decades, earning the "best salesperson of the week award" almost every week during that period She eats right simply because she listens to her body. Problem is, she expects to loosen up during her retirement, indulge in food, and stop exercising. I'm trying to talk her into joining a bi-weekly exercise program (she's a widow who lives alone, so she will have no support/motivation from peers) and into taking calcium supplements (my great- grandmother, just as lively as my grandmother, suffered from osteoporosis.) She's not terribly excited about it all. The only books and programs I've found which target that age group assume that their readers are frail and ignorant. I'd like her to join a group so they can exercise together. Do you know of a good exercise-related publication which targets the 50-60s ? What else could I do ? + Louis-Eric ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 188 Mon Feb 15, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 07:30 EST Louis-Eric, yes, I know. And I like Molasses (which I like to kid about by saying "mole what?"). And I do tell them that the commercial brown sugar is just white sugar with a few things in it to make it brown. I do not believe that honey is good for humans but I do not go into all kinds of things - just KISS (for the uninitiated that stands for Keep It Simple, Stupid) - and it works. With this 'system' you can eat the hambugger and MacBuggerkins or whatever, but do not eat the catchup or the bun. It is not perfect, but it works. Even their 'whole wheat' bun is mostly white flower with a little of the other in so that they can sell it to those who want to eat healthier. Bon apitete or whatever David A. BTW I just read the label on some granola bars that made it into my home - poison! They are worse than candy bars! AAAAArrrrgghhhhhhhh! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 189 Mon Feb 15, 1993 V.ROWE1 [Val] at 20:02 EST Louis-Eric: A good hot fruit drink might be heated apple juice, and if you want a little zip, add a cinnamon stick. Val ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 190 Mon Feb 15, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 22:49 EST L-E; Try avoiding so much fruit juice. Juice is REALLY fattening. You'd be better off having a fruit itself than a glass of juice. What about herbal tea or extract with hot water? ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 191 Tue Feb 16, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 00:07 EST Good suggestions all! Just think how healthy we'll ALL be! BTW.... will post stats tomorrow night.... worked ALL, yest that's ALL weekend for a local doctor typing that is! =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 192 Tue Feb 16, 1993 S.ANDREWS6 [David A.] at 18:17 EST Sharon, juice fattening? It is not fatty, but it is just a sugar in water and you know my opinion about sugars, albeit fructose is less bad than sucrose. Water is important and if it takes a flavoring to get someone to drink it, then it is not all bad. After all, fruit juice is just flavored water and if diluted 50/50 with water probably makes a better drink anyway. ............... David A. ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 193 Tue Feb 16, 1993 W.BASSETT1 [LINDA] at 19:06 EST Hi there, Joni and everyone, Haven't been on the boards for a couple of days; been too busy over the weekend. Will try to catch up tonight and say hi. Joni, you seem to be doing all the right things. I'm sure it will pay off. Last week was a bad one for me, as far as eating. I kind of let Life's little upsets get me down. And when I am a little down I think food will help. NOT! Well, I am trying again. You only fail if you quit trying, right? I decided to start counting fat grams and I am on my second day. I know that one of you is also doing this, is it you, Sue? or Val? Anyway, so far it isn't bad. I seem to be getting plenty to eat and don't feel deprived. Will know how it works come next Sunday. Lloyd, hauling all those boxes! Be careful not to overdo too quickly. Take care of those knees. Maybe you should wait a day to get back on the stepper. Linda ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 194 Tue Feb 16, 1993 S.HAYES10 [Sharon] at 19:51 EST David, Juice is very high in calories, ergo, fattening. A litre of juice in a day is about half of the calories you can have a day on a diet! ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 195 Wed Feb 17, 1993 L.SIMARD [Louis-Eric] at 21:54 EST Sharon: (Re: Juice) You're right about juice. I only take juice on workout days (otherwise I take 2% milk) since simple carbohydrates are called upon very quickly when exercising (as you know :) ). + Louis-Eric ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 196 Wed Feb 17, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 23:37 EST Sorry... a day or so late... snow storm had me shoveling last night.. exercise... yep I guess so! Louis-Eric lost 5 lbs. this week! Nice Job!!! Yay!! exercised 2 times Sharon... lost 1 lb. this week... Yay! exercised - 4 times Valerie.. status quo this week... nice going! exercised - 5 times Lloyd ... lost 1 lb this week ... Yay! exercised - 4 times Florence status quo this week ... nice going! Linda ... gained 1 lb. this week... there's always tomorrow! Joni .... lost 2 lbs... now to keep it up. exercised a lot - 2 times... shoveling! Great going! Now let's look forward to next week... never look back... tomorrow's a new day! Just think how lean and trim you'll be for summer! =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 197 Thu Feb 18, 1993 NASS [Joni] at 01:19 EST Hmmmmm..... I uploaded the stats earlier and I don't see them now... has anyone read them tonight? =+= Joni =+= ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 198 Thu Feb 18, 1993 L.DEVRIES [Lloyd] at 05:37 EST >>> NASS [Joni] > I uploaded the stats earlier and I don't see them now... has anyone read > them tonight? Nope. I read them this morning. <<>> ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 199 Thu Feb 18, 1993 BRAD [Brad Solomon] at 05:46 EST Joni, They're there - posted at 23:37. Brad ------------ Category 10, Topic 30 Message 200 Thu Feb 18, 1993 F.FRIED2 [FLORENCE] at 20:43 EST ====== To: NASS [Joni] ====== Congratulations to all the losers! Hope we'll all be losers next time. -=[ FLORENCE ]=- ------------ === End ===