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The system will prompt you for your information. ========================================================================== ************ Topic 42 Sat Oct 29, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 12:57 EDT Sub: Jaguar vs. 32X Here's a topic to discuss how feebly the Sega 32X stacks up against the _awesome_ power of the Atari Jaguar 64-Bit Multimedia System. 219 message(s) total. ************ ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 1 Sat Oct 29, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 12:57 EDT I was browsing through the latest EGM, and they claim that the 32X can display 32768 colors and adds 4 Megabytes of RAM to the Genesis system. This conflicts with other reports I have heard concerning the abilities of this addon unit. Does anyone know the actual details of the hardware? Also, I noticed that in Europe, they will pay the equivalent of $100 _more_ for a 32X than in the U.S. Is Sega following 3DOH's lead and is selling their units at a loss here in the U.S. in order to try and establish an installed base? ________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 2 Sat Oct 29, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 12:45 CDT T-Bird, You're thinking computer megs not videogame megs. The 32X has 4 megabits of ram(512K). ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 3 Sat Oct 29, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 12:49 CDT Also, part of the reason for the $100 more in Europe is because they actually throw in a game over there(Virtua Racing Deluxe). ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 4 Sat Oct 29, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 15:27 EDT C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.]: > You're thinking computer megs not videogame megs. The 32X has 4 megabits > of ram(512K). Oh GREAT! There goes another Donkey-Kong-Country-ism... take conventional measurement systems and RE-DEFINE them to make your product look better! Every system comparison I've seen in the past has used MEGABYTES to enumerate the RAM capacity of the systems in question. Now, all of a sudden, Sega is going around telling everyone that they've got 4Megs of RAM, when they actually have 0.5Megs of RAM! What a bunch of crap. Now anyone looking at the Jaguar's specs will think the 32SUX has twice the memory, when it actually has 1/4th!!! All because Sega twisted the facts. _____________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 5 Sat Oct 29, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 15:21 CDT The 32X _can_ display 32,000+ colors at once but not while doing anything worthwhile. The majority of the games will probably come in around 256 colors because of RAM and speed restrictions. My main beef is with the sound. I know someone who's played the PC version of Doom and they said they liked the way the 32X version looked. They didn't mention sound though so I want to know what kinda sound capabilities are we talking about here? If anything, they could have taken the chip from the SegaCD and put _it_ in the 32X. That'd be better than FM SINE WAVES!! Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 6 Sat Oct 29, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:40 EDT K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys]: >My main beef is with the sound. I know someone who's played the PC >version of Doom and they said they liked the way the 32X version looked. Is this "someone": a) A Sega employee b) Playing PC Doom on a 386-10 c) On glue >They didn't mention sound though so I want to know what kinda sound >capabilities are we talking about here? It's supposed to be able to play digitally sampled sounds (oooh ahhh). Like 16- bit color, the sound probably prevents anything useful to be going on when it's active... _____________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 7 Sat Oct 29, 1994 T.GOFF1 at 18:48 EDT OH OH...Im a Sega 32X preorderer...let me tell U why.. Dont get me wrong I love the Jaguar but my beef is that theyve got no games that I want to play..except AvP.. Where as Segas got AvP Arcade...Star Wars Arcade...Mortal Kombat 2 ...NBA JAM Tournament...& tons more... ALSO another reason is that Ive been screwed (excuse my language) by Atari once already when I bought my LINX..(Which I still think blows any other handheld system away) ...So even though the Sega32X might not be as good...at least its pretty much guaranteed for software & concerning the question about siound ...ITS some arcade sound called Q- SOUND SINCERELY YOUR 32X BUDDY CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 8 Sat Oct 29, 1994 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 18:55 EDT Thunderbird: But that type of advertising works, unfortunately. Especially for those not in the know. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 9 Sat Oct 29, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 19:05 CDT Chances are that Williams Entertainment will have Jag versions of Mortal Kombat 2 and NBA Jam as well. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 10 Sat Oct 29, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 19:22 CDT T.GOFF1, Don't assume that the 32X is guaranteed for software. That's a mistake I made a long time ago when I forked over $300 for a Sega CD. I figured, hey it's Sega. I saw that Sega was going to have Ultima Underworlds and Sierra was going to have several of their adventures(always favorites of mine on my ST). They never materialized. If the 32X doesn't sell well, those games you mentioned may not appear. I just get the feeling from Sega that they think,"If the 32X sells, great, if it doesn't, we still got Saturn on the way." ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 11 Sat Oct 29, 1994 L.CALAMAIO1 [gtr] at 22:33 CDT All: If we're concerned about the megabits vs. megabytes thing, let's use their terminology against them... The JagCD can store 5.2 gigabits of information. It can transfer 2.4 megs per second. Oh, yeah. And it costs 19.90 decidollars, too. ----Lee ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 12 Sat Oct 29, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 23:54 EDT Thats just it...there MIGHT be a conversion of those games... & I know that even Sega isnt foolproof...but after viewing on what games the Jaguar had & what the Sega32X will have I made a decision that it had more games that I wanted to play.. But believe me if they fail to deliver on their promices Ill be the 1 phoning Sega day & night..bugging them to get the game out (I just love to pressure big companies)... another reason is that I dont have enough money to get the Jaguar & its add ons... whereas I already have purchased them for Segas system Im am also still unsure about Ataris financial stability...like I said my LIYNX is now gathering Dust....THANKS!!! CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 13 Sun Oct 30, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 00:01 EDT T.GOFF1: >Where as Segas got AvP Arcade...Star Wars Arcade...Mortal >Kombat 2 ...NBA JAM Tournament...& tons more... None of which are out for the 32X, and there's no way to be sure they will be out, ever. (Not that anyone in their right mind would play the LAME arcade AvP after seeing Jaguar AvP). Besides... I've got the Atari Star Wars arcade, which RULES sitting in the corner. >ALSO another reason is that Ive been screwed (excuse my language) by Atari >once already when I bought my LINX..(Which I still think blows any other >handheld system away) I think the whole "You got $crewed by the Lynx" deal is complete hogwash! The Lynx got a bad rap from the start with the morons at Electronics Blowtique and Baggages selling it short and claiming that the Lame Gear was better, right at it's inception. The perception that people were somehow "ripped off" with the Lynx I believe can be directly attributed to comments made by the likes of these sales droids. How many people do you think they have to say "The Lynx is Dead", "There are no games for the Lynx", or "You got ripped off" to before people start to think it's true? The Lynx has sold over 2 million units (I have been told by a Lynx Developer) and has several dozen titles available (was it 60?). All I know is that if I bought one lynx title a month, I still wouldn't have all of them. That's not "getting $crewed" in my book. I understand that several new Lynx titles are in the process of negotiations for production with a hardware manufacturing company to build them. >& concerning the question about siound ...ITS some arcade sound called Q- >SOUND The Jaguar has software Q-sound, and ecco the dolphin has it already on the Sega CD. Nothing to write home about. _______________________ \hunderbird And of course... 32X will _NOT_ have "StarBattleSphere". ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 14 Sun Oct 30, 1994 ST.WALLY [ _Wally_ ] at 00:44 EDT Howdy, gtr, Yeah, and we can then tell'm to, "do the math". Wally ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 15 Sun Oct 30, 1994 F-D-PERCIVAL [Fred P.] at 06:21 EST The real problem with the 32X is that it's a stopgap system. At this time next year, when the ads for Sega's Jag-killer will supposedly be dancing across the eyeballs of world youth, who'll remember the 32X? Probably not developers. It seems that anyone who buys one of these units is making a very short-term investment. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 16 Sun Oct 30, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 06:45 CST As for Atari's financial situtation, Sega just gave them 90 million dollars as part of their settlement. Business types are less worried about Atari disappearing. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 17 Sun Oct 30, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 07:26 CST It'll be interesting to see which of Sega's titles Atari has chosen to bring over to the Jag(Bill said that an announcement should be made just before or after Thanksgiving). I'm pretty confident we won't see Virtua Racing or Virtua Fighters since they already have their own similar games in Checkered Flag and Fight For Life(32 meg, full character texture mapping with morphing, and a title song by musician Joe Vitale). ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 18 Sun Oct 30, 1994 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 09:09 EST Fight for Life sounds like an interesting games to me. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 19 Sun Oct 30, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 12:49 EST YES U GUYS ARE RIGHT BUT....From what Ive heard seen & played Most of the Jaguar games fail to deliver on game play wich is the most crucial aspect of a game... & the only positive views on their games in gaming magazines are for 3 games AvP Wolfstein & Tempest... Im just going to see if the 32X can deliver on good software...which Ill admit It may not but like I said Ive already got too much money wrapped up in my Sega just to let it go... & as far as the LYNX goes...My main problem with it is again the lack of REALLY good games...theres just not too much on either atari systems that are really outstanding... Ill also admit that the Jaguar has better graphics but that doesnt make a good game....THANKS CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 20 Sun Oct 30, 1994 SLP [Scott] at 13:26 EST I can understand somebody buying a Sega Genesis instead of a Jaguar but I don't see why anybody, especially somebody who keeps up at all with the new systems, would buy a 32X. I could be wrong but to me it seems like a temporary fill in that won't be supported by many games at all. Now if it was only the cost of a typical game, then maybe the market would be large enough to get developers to risk some time developing for the short term life expectancy. Scott ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 21 Sun Oct 30, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 13:51 CST Actually, all the Jag games released(with the exception of Crescent Galaxy) have good gameplay. Most mags love the gameplay on Brutal Sports Football but they pick on it because they don't think it looks better than 16-bit. Also, most mags really liked Cybermorph(a great gameplay game) so you can put that with T2000, Wolf 3-d, and AvP. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 22 Sun Oct 30, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 16:01 EST Why do I feel like Im standing in front of a firing squad??/ Anyway none of this argument is going to be settled until the 32X actually comes out & gets some games for it! All Im saying is that My feelings about it are that the Sega corp. has got lots of big name 3rd party developers behind it & Im more confident in it right now!11 U never know...it could have a lot of games that are relly good...but again we wont know until later. & I still say that Atari doesnt stand behind its products..so until i see otherwise Ill stick with my choice... THAT IS ALL!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 23 Sun Oct 30, 1994 AEO.6 [Dimitri L.] at 16:29 EST Actually, I wouldn't count on the software support for the 32-X(tinct). It's got what? 30 developers? For mighty Sega? And considering the Atari agreement with Sega, the Jag will probably wind up with some of the hot Sega titles like Star Wars Arcae and Daytona (and would anyone actually *want* AvP Arcade?). This thing won't last the year. Dimitri @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 24 Sun Oct 30, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 16:40 EST I just heard that the 32SUX didn't have any video outputs and that you'd have to buy some kind of addon doohickey in order to use anything but the horrid R/F out of the Genisissy. Anyone know if this is true? __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 25 Sun Oct 30, 1994 WETMORE [Tony] at 17:03 EST Thunderbird, The Genesis has composite out (video), does it not? Unless they are just running RF output to the video cable's RCA plug, of course. -Tony ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 26 Sun Oct 30, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 17:20 EST T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: >Why do I feel like Im standing in front of a firing squad?? Please don't feel like you're being attacked or anything!!! As you know, this is a Jaguar area of GEnie, so naturally it's going to be biased towards the Jaguar. That aside, much of what people are curious about is the reasoning why someone would prefer the Sega machine over the Jaguar. Since you seem to be the only one here who has a favorable view of the 32X, naturally there are going to be a lot of people trying to pick your mind and see what there is about it that attracts people like yourself. Don't feel that you're being attacked... we're just trying to learn. Also, as a Jaguar developer I myself am curious, and have learned a lot from your posts. Don't take it personally if I think some of the things you feel about Atari are undeserved and try and explain them to you. Atari has gotten a bad rap from EGM and some of the retailers. My feelings are that the 32X is way overpriced for it's capabilities, and that someone interested entirely in games and gameplay would be much better off taking that $160 and buying 2 or 3 carts for their existing Genesis. Or, save it for the Saturn. The 32X doesn't come with any games, and doesn't even include a controller. With the Jag, you get over 2 times the processing speed, a game, a power supply, a controller, better audio, 4 times the memory, and you don't have to already own anything but a TV (or monitor) to use it. I don't see the 32X as much of a value... especially when you ask around to the developers to see what's really being worked on. If you thought that the games came slow for the Jaguar, you're really going to be in for a disappointment. ______________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 27 Sun Oct 30, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 19:46 CST Dimitri - >32-X(tinct) I think that wins the award... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 28 Sun Oct 30, 1994 M.LIPSON [MikeL] at 21:08 EST How bout 32(su)X? ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 29 Sun Oct 30, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 22:19 EST HOLD ON PEOPLE...DONT GET me wrong...I didnt say that the 32X was a better system... I said that it looked like it had more games that I wanted to play...therefore Im buying it the season... which doesnt mean that Ill never buy a Jaguar Im just saying that what Ive seen so far isnt what I necessarily want to play...Also Im an arcade gamer & Segas got more arcade games As far as Im concerned the Jaguar is the better system but there are other systems coming out Like Ultra 64 Sonys ...& anyway the 32X is the cheapest price...even if its kinda high... the Jaguar the 3DO NeoGeo & practically all the new systems coming out will probably be more that the 32X ...& also If I were to get a Jaguar I would be paying more to get the value of the accessories Ive already bought for my Genesis & Whos to say that when I buy a Jaguar CD it wont be conversions of all Segas games like Sewer Shark Like I said the 32 X just for some reason gets me excited about the games (& its not the commercials) Ive also seen the 32X commercial & it doesnt look all as bad as your saying... As I said before it doesnt mean that Im never gonna get a Jaguar It just means that I have more confidence in Sega getting out games & I want to wait to see if the Jaguar can get some stuff out first & see how good it really is & How do U guys know that the Ultra 64 wont blow Jaguar out of the water??? also If I wanted a 32 bit system the only other choice is 3DO which is way too expensive... I hope Ive answered correctly since I cant see what Im typing...AH WELL ...CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 30 Sun Oct 30, 1994 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 22:58 EST CARNAGE ... Change your echo mode or duplex setting to see what you are typing. I suggest that the selection of Jaguar games that will become available between now and the end of the year could have an impact on your purchasing decision. Nathan ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 31 Mon Oct 31, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 00:33 EST Carnage, I agree with the 'wait and see' attitude. Fortunately, you won't have long to wait to see the Jaguar games coming for this Christmas, and just how well (or not) Atari 'gets behind them'. There's always time to make a comparison before buying anything, unless you fall into the trap of wanting to be 'the first on your block'. (G) I think the Jag games will impress you, and make you change your mind. Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 32 Mon Oct 31, 1994 AEO.6 [Dimitri L.] at 00:46 EST >>I think that wins the award...<< It's the only thing about the 32X(tinct) that will... :> Dimitri @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 33 Mon Oct 31, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 00:27 CST <> Tbird, It's got an input and output. Why? Well, the output does outputting. The input is so you can overlay the Genesis graphics on the 32SX graphics (or vice versa, I forget). I expressly looked at the back of the 32X at the CES just to find out what was there. Basically it's got 2 of those ports that are on the back of the Gen II and that's it. BTW, I'm hoping you don't notice that I didn't say _what_ it was outputting! Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 34 Mon Oct 31, 1994 ST.WALLY [ _Wally_ ] at 01:35 EST Howdy, Is it just me, or is the 32x(stinks) even a "real" system yet? I mean, can you go out and buy one right now? Wally ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 35 Mon Oct 31, 1994 AEO.MAG [] Go FSU! [] at 03:16 EST In reading the November EGM^2 (yeesh), I can't help but pick up strong hints that the editors ahve laid down that Sega is backing away from their Saturn. Someone tell me this isn't true, and that EGM^2's full of it. --Travis @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 36 Mon Oct 31, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 06:41 EST F-D-PERCIVAL - That depends. If the 32X does VERY well, Sega will keep it around for a while -- possibly even delaying the Saturn here even further. DARLAH - Maybe an interesting game, but a stupid name! AEO.6 - Don't count on Atari getting licenses on NEW Sega games -- or Sega getting licenses to NEW Atari ones! ST.WALLY - November 11th is the 32X release date -- at this point it's more real than the Jaguar CD-ROM drive! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 37 Mon Oct 31, 1994 ST.WALLY [ _Wally_ ] at 15:22 EST Howdy, Steve, thanks. It will be interesting to see how the 32x(ess) turns out. Still, 32 is 32 is 32, definitely not to be confused with 64. Wally ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 38 Mon Oct 31, 1994 AEO.6 [Dimitri L.] at 17:27 EST Steve, the only restriction I've heard on the Sega-Atari porting agreement is no Sonic games. I guess we'll find out for sure around turkey time. :> Dimitri @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 39 Mon Oct 31, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:09 EST T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: The best advice I can give you then is to wait a few months before deciding what system to get. I think you'll be very surprised to see the games that are coming for the Jaguar in the next 3 months. Granted, Sega will have a lot of direct arcade translations, but the Jag will have games that are _better_ than many arcade games themselves (look at AvP). "Fight for Life" promises to be superior to "Virtua Fighter" and let us not forget that "Rise of the Robots" is coming, "F1 Racing", "Ultra Vortex", "Hover Strike" (Improved Battlezone with a new name), "Defender 2000", and the list goes on... >How do U guys know that the Ultra 64 wont blow Jaguar out of the water??? >also If I wanted a 32 bit system the only other choice is 3DO which is >way too expensive... If you think 3DOH is too expensive, wait until you see the "Ultra 64". Besides, the Ultra-64 is way behind schedule and will be eclipsed by the Jag II when the time comes. But that is way off in the future. The Ultra-64 may indeed be better than the Jaguar I, but it will not be out anytime soon. ___________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 40 Mon Oct 31, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 19:34 CST 32suX was good but, not a prize winner. It stated an opinion, not a fact. Dimitri - Darn it, no Sonic games. I guess I'll have to cry. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 41 Mon Oct 31, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 19:35 CST <> Well, the Jag Mark III may be out by then as well. :) My advice: If you already have a Genesis, go ahead, pick up a 32X. Then pick up a Jag next year when you feel better about the game selection. Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 42 Mon Oct 31, 1994 MEADOWS [Christopher] at 21:43 EST Carnage, Y'know, when I first started asking about the Jaguar (after I'd heard about the AvsP ganme last Christmas), I breezed into the Software Etc. in the local mall and asked them about it. The exchange went something like this: "Hi there. Can I help you make a selection, sir." "Uhm... yeah. I'm interested in this new Jaguar system, but I hear only select markets will get them." I'm watching his face change dramatically, later I would understand he's lost his chance for an EASY sale with me. "Can you order one for me?" Smirking, shaking his head with little bobbing motions. "I wouldn't do that if I were you." "Why, what's wrong with the Jaguar?" Looking a little defensively at him, clear skepticism. Condescending tone. "Atari totes it as a 64 bit system, but it's not... It's two 32 bit machines put together. Sega's got a new 32 bit system coming out soon, and it'll blow the Jaguar away." Changes tone, thinks he's said enough to sell me on the Sega, wants a sale. "Besides, the Jaguar doesn't have any games for it right now. You'd be buying a one or two game unit, and bored with it while your friends are playing with their Sega." Confident he made the sale, grins stupidly. "Now, if you'd like to find out more ABOUT the Sega 32X..." Chris, knowing exactly what he's here to buy, decides that two 32 systems for the price of a Sega 32 systems is, itself, good math. And he interrupts the sales clerk. "Do you know where I can purchase a Jaguar?" Sales boy is only too aware of the EB on the other end of the mall, miles from the food court and the better half of mall business. And, I would find out later, he damn well knows where the Jag is. "No. Need anything else...?" I shake my head. "Nah." The moral of my story is, even though I sort of rag on it (32 vs 32 + 32), the 32X is just as important to you as the Jag is to me. And I wish I could get a game like the Spider Man CD for the Jag. As far as 2D game play goes, that was a lot of fun! But expect some axe grinding when you get on these Xsystem vs Ysystem (as in , "Y would you buy that?!?") topics. Your bud, Christopher ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 43 Mon Oct 31, 1994 DANNY-BOY [Dan @ Xanth] at 18:59 PST I've talked about the 32X with some of my friends that work at Software Etc (The ones who actually know what they're talking about and therefore get politiced out of their positions) and none of them see the 32X as having long term sell through. If Sega's spending so much on the Saturn (And they've spent a ton) then what happens to the 32X when the Saturn eventually makes its US debut? The 32X appears to be a marketing driven stop-gap to keep ownership loyalty alive until the Saturn appears. A few more things to consider - The 32X will probably NOT be a system seller, too much comparison shopping will reveal a high investment for what is ultimately old technology (excluding the 32X). It has no pack in cart. Although this is common in Japan and Europe it is unthinkable in the U.S. (Yes, it comes with discount coupons, but you are still paying for the carts). Games will be slow in coming for the 32X for the same reason they were slow in coming for the Jaguar - it takes time, lots of it, to write effective code for new platforms. Try writng a short story in a language you don't speak to get some idea what it's like. If you were a developer, what would you write for? A system that has a user base ofmillions or an add-on that has a probable effective life of one- two years and a much, MUCH reduced user base? I imagine most developers will play it safe and code for a known commodity. A personal observbbation - Sega has spent a lot of time and money convincing the buying public they are the most "hip" videogame on the market, even while the market was changing. They watched Nintendo screw themselves by not delivering hardware - the CD-ROM and releasing less than spectacular hardware as wel - the SNES is NOT a genius when it comes to cpu's. DKC has always been capable on the thing - the pallette hasn't changed magically. Give credit to the SGI systems and the artists. I beleive Sega is trying desperately not to make the same mistakes Nintendo did. They released the CD and now they are releasing the 32X. They have hardware and by God they are going to let you have it. In the process they've gotten a bit schizophrenic, losing a corporate and creative direction. Before you buy system, ask yourself where is Sega's future direction heading. I honestly don't believe the 32X has much more than a two year future. Granted Atari has problems, we've dealt with them as a dealer for eight years but their approach to the Jaguar has been the exact opposite of everything else they've done, which is to say it's been done right. Each person's acid test is something different - if I had a Genny and saw NBA Jam come out for it I would be VERY tempted - I love that game. Butwhen AvsP came out it put me over the edge - I bought a Jaguar. I didn't have to because the store has one but I still got one. Now I've made an investment and I hope to God it pays off. We'll see. Dan @ Xanth ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 44 Mon Oct 31, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 23:05 EST Well I have to have more than 1 reason to buy a Jaguar...& so far for me the only reason is AvP...Whereas the Sega 32X has about 5 games that interest me ...Im also kinda upset on my purchase of the SNES cause Ive hardly got any games for it BUT the games I do have are ones I play often...Maybe I should sell it for a Jaguar??....& about that guy who was talking about the games that are supposed clones Or better versions of existing sega games..,Well there was a game for 3DO billed as the next Mortal Kombat called Way of the Warrior & that 1 sucked(Which isnt to say that Segas wont suck but like I said Im trying to be cautios... & I myself am praying that the Saturn will NOT be released because Sega needs a 64 bit...or how bout 128 bit??? & about the free game...well I heard that Sega will be selling the 32X on an infomercial so Im guessing that the free game will be an incentive for buying it off TV but Im really not certain there will even be 1 in any form ...Im still trying to see if I can fix this invisible typing thing...nut MY COMP. SUCKS!!!...CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 45 Mon Oct 31, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 23:43 EST T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: >Well I have to have more than 1 reason to buy a Jaguar...& so far for >me the only reason is AvP...Whereas the Sega 32X has about 5 games >that interest me. That's my point. _What_ is it about the 32X games that interest you? Is it because you are interested in arcade translations? Which games does 32X have that makes it so appealing... Of course that's a loaded question, because the 32X currently has ZERO games for it. The 3 titles supposedly avaialable at its release are reportedly not all that impressive. All indications are that at least 2 of them are real stinkers (especially when you put one of them next to the Jaguar version of the same game). All of the other titles (and I do mean ALL of them) are totally unknown quantities. I heard all kinds of reports of how GREAT the 32X "Virtua Fighters" was coming along, only to hear this last month that they aren't doing VF for the 32X. So I don't believe any of the titles that they claim to be making are really anywhere near complete (or even started for that matter). There will be many more Jaguar titles than 32X titles a year from now. That's a sure bet. _______________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 46 Mon Oct 31, 1994 AEO.6 [Dimitri L.] at 23:52 EST Yeah, my heart's just, er, broken about the loss of (not so super) Sonic. A hearty blech. Dimitri @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 47 Tue Nov 01, 1994 S.SMYK1 [Orangeman] at 02:56 EST A week and a half ago I walked into a local Babbages looking for something to purchase. I looked at the Jag shelf, which I had examined a few times and noticed that the game I had seen on CNN (A v. P) was finally on the shelf. This created some inner turmoil - do I purchase this realtively new machine with only one game I really want or do I wait for 32X to add on to my current Genesis system. Having just stumbled across a little money, I decided to take the plunge... Now, I guess you have to understand that I haven't followed videogame systems for awhile. I bought Genesis to play NHL hockey and that is about it, the reat of my gaming has been computer based since my 2600 & Intellivision days So, anyway, I asked the salesperson about it and he tried to talk me out of the damn machine for 15 minutes. I ask him if he thinks I should get 3DO instead, he says 'it's even worse'. His big problem (Babbage's employee) is that the Jag has no titles and the 3DO is boring. I thank him for his concern, but I want the damn machine so I asked him to get it for me. Realizing that I have sold myself and that he can't talk me out of it he proceeds to get the system and a copy of A v. P. Three days later I go back to Babbage's and the same employee is there. He quickly runs up to me and says 'I plugged in A v. P after you left the other night, I ended up buying a Jag myself'. I don't know if this means anything to anyone, but I know this guy had been waiting for 32X and has now changed his mind. A v. P is the type of game that will sell many machines (if promoted properly) and will set a new standard for home videogames. While I am waiting for many of the new titles along with everyone else, and have finished A v. P, I have now fallen in love with Tempest 2000 and Raiden...I have to admit I love my new machine and am thrilled I purchased it regardless of the fact a limited selection of titles are available. I can wait a little while as long as quality games are being produced---which is different from my days of dealing with games that I thought were okay on my Genesis... Sincerly...A new (and joyous) Jag owner (who doesn't lose any sleep over 32X)... (sorry about the length and the spelling errors) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 48 Tue Nov 01, 1994 L.CALAMAIO1 [gtr] at 02:42 CST Orangeman: Congratulations on your purchase, and welcome to the ranks of the minority! We WILL be the majority, and soon! ---lee ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 49 Tue Nov 01, 1994 POTECHIN [Nathan @ DMC] at 09:12 EST Great post, Orangeman. Thanks for sharing it with us. Carnage ... If you are not seeing what you type on the screen, change your duplex setting in your software. Which computer and software are you using? Perhaps I could be more specific. I believe that by the end of this year, there will be some major new games for the Jaguar and that for the first time in many years, Atari will have a hit during the holiday season! ;-) Nathan ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 50 Tue Nov 01, 1994 AEO.1 [Albert Dayes] at 09:53 EST Orangeman, That is a great post. Interesting how by your insisting on your Jaguar machine you sold another one. -- Albert @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 51 Tue Nov 01, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:04 EST S.SMYK1 [Orangeman]: Excellent post! Way to go! Welcome to the Jaguar! __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 52 Tue Nov 01, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 18:25 EST Well so U wanna know what games....Well theres Star Wars Arcade, Virtua Racing, AvP Arcade, Mortal Kombat 2, NBA Jam:Tournament Ed., & Alies (Someting to do with going through all the movies) ..& so far I havent seen any games NOW or COMING that are my cup of tea except AvP... CORRECTION...Virtua Fighters was NEVER going to be a 32X game It was & has been made into a JagOOPS...DAMM...CANT SEE WHAT TYPING... Anyway it was being made for SATURN...I have to say 1 thing...if these games turn out to be CRAP then Ill buy a Jaguar...DEAL??? ...& Im using a program called SMARTCOM II....THANKS!!! CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 53 Tue Nov 01, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 19:03 CST Orangeman - Er, fallen in love with Raiden? Maybe you should seek some help... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 54 Tue Nov 01, 1994 I.FILLMORE1 [Rastor] at 21:03 EST CARNAGE: Go into the GEnie settings area (I think it's PASS, but I could be wrong) and setup your options, and set host echo to ON. Now, log off. When you log on again, press Ctrl-R (Control and R at the same time) when it says U#= but before you type in your user ID and password. Hope this fixes the invisible words, Rastor ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 55 Tue Nov 01, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 20:25 CST LET US REMEMBER..... Just last year before the Jag was released, everyone was panning it and saying how it could never be what Atari said. After the release, it proved to be something viable (if without software). The 32X _may_ be an interesting piece of hardware but I won't say it SuX until I see the games... Still Sailing, Sir Fransys After that it _still_ may suck. :) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 56 Tue Nov 01, 1994 R.MARTIN22 [NETWORK 23] at 20:36 EST ORANGEMAN: Wonderful post! I loved it! Welcome to the land of 24-bit blue skies and fully texturemapped fields of clover! LEAD DOG: If Orangeman loves Raiden, I see no reason to fault this. _I've_ never played it because I was never very good at scrolling shootemups, but everyone likes different things for different reasons! + ON-AIR [08:32 AM-02/Nov/94] + + LIVE AND DIRECT + ROD MARTIN, NETWORK 23 SOFTWARE ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 57 Tue Nov 01, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 22:18 EST T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: You have your opinion of what's good on 32X, and I have mine... they differ considerably. Below each title, I will list potential Jaguar equivalents or substitutes to illustrate the plethora of jaguar titles due out in the next 3- 4 months. ---->Well theres Star Wars Arcade The only thing that interested me because we don't have it in the arcades around here and I'd like to see what it's about. I'm a big fan of the _original_ "Star Wars" Arcade game, and the movies, and I'm curious to see this one. [On Jaguar: Space War, Dreadnaught, BattleSphere] ---->Virtua Racing The pictures made it look no better than the Genesis version. [On Jaguar: F1 Formula 1 racing, Club Drive, Checkered Flag] ---->AvP Arcade There's _nothing_ in the world preventing a 100% exact faithful perfect reproduction of this game on the Genesis or SNES with no need at all for a 32 bit adaptor. The game is a very _very_ lame simplistic side-scrolling shooter with poor artwork and no depth. I wouldn't play it if it were free. [On Jaguar: Bubsy, Zool 2, Raiden, Crescent Galaxy, plus many more] ---->Mortal Kombat 2 Works fine on the SNES or Genesis _without_ adaptors. No need for them with simple 2D spritey graphics. [On Jaguar: Double Dragon V, Ultra Vortex, Kasumi Ninja, Fight For Life, Rise of the Robots (most of which are much better than the SF and MK arcae machines)] ---->NBA Jam:Tournament Ed. No adaptor required. [On Jaguar: White Men Can't Jump] ----> Alies (Someting to do with going through all the movies) Do you mean "Aliens"? I have no idea what this is about, and neither do you (or you would have said). Listing a title you know nothing about as a reason to prefer the 32X doesn't give me a lot of confidence that there's a lot of good stuff announced for it. [On Jaguar: Alien vs. Predator] One thing I noticed is that of all the 32X titles which you say appeal to you, only ONE of them is due out before Saturn hits the streets. _________________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 58 Tue Nov 01, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 21:54 CST >ST.WALLY - November 11th is the 32X release date Oh goody! Turkey day comes 2 weeks early this year! > ...& Im using a program called SMARTCOM II.... That's the funniest misnomer I've read in a month. John L. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 59 Tue Nov 01, 1994 S.SMYK1 [Orangeman] at 23:00 EST Well, I never was any good at shoot-em-ups in the arcade (always lost my $ too fast)...but, I really like Raiden - I feel hypnotized while playi ng. As for joining the minority, I carry the label w/ pride I'm an Apple user since 1982 - now that's a minority. Well all, back to another game of Tempest 2000 - just got to level 39 (my best so far - soon I'll figure out the higher warp levels (I can't follow the green path)). Take care (and keep up the prayers), O-Man ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 60 Wed Nov 02, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 01:41 EST Nathan, aaaaah... this is probably the first Holdiay season in which Atari has participated.:-) Orangeman, Don't feel bad, I kind of like to play Cresent Galaxy ever now and then. It doesn't seem to score real high around here either. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 61 Wed Nov 02, 1994 AEO.MAG [] Go FSU! [] at 02:20 EST Orangeman, It took me about two months before I could travel the green path, and now I can traverse it with ease. Keep at it! Have fun with your Jag, you're one of the Atari family now. --Travis @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 62 Wed Nov 02, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 04:19 EST J.BATTEY1 - 11/11 is the CURRENT date -- we'll see if it actually gets here then! It sounds as though it may only come out with 2 games at first, though (DOOM is rumored to be delayed for up to several weeks!). ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 63 Wed Nov 02, 1994 R.GRIDLEY [Rick G] at 07:53 EST A friend at work was going to buy the 32X for his genesis but after playing AvP on my Jag he decided to go with the Jaguar instead! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 64 Wed Nov 02, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:08 EST STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG]: >J.BATTEY1 - 11/11 is the CURRENT date -- we'll see if it actually gets here >then! It sounds as though it may only come out with 2 games at >first, though (DOOM is rumored to be delayed for up to several weeks!). Could it be another instance of time vindicating what that Thunderbird dude warned everyone of? _________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 65 Wed Nov 02, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 18:30 EST The version of Virtua Racing looks better than the Genesis version...has 1 more car & 3 more tracks. Star Wars Arc. looks great too...my only concern is this....I just got an EGM2 magazine which had info about them & about 2 pictures....but what is starting to make me cringe in fear is that these games are going to be the first out....Lets see new system....no Japanese version that already has games for it... this could equal that the first games will suck cause their 1st attempts...PLEASE dont let em SUCK!!... If they suck Im rioting down Yonge Street (Toronto street...for U Americans)...Im beginning to get upset BUT Sega wont have anything to worry about if the games play half as good as they look (I still say they look cool & have great scrolling & rotation ....AS I said Time will tell....OH YA I can see my typing now...THANKS!!!....although it isnt helping my typing much.....THANKS!!! CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 66 Wed Nov 02, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 18:06 CST Rod - I was joking, really. I rented Raiden and played for 5 minutes before losing interest. It didn't suck, really, it was just what we've all seen beofre, about 10000000 times. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 67 Wed Nov 02, 1994 E.MICHARD at 18:55 CST CARNAGE- How can you judge the 'scrolling and rotation' from screen shots or the split- second shots seen in the commercial? Have you seen the games in more detail than the rest of us? I admit that Star Wars Arcade looks interesting, assuming it's not 'on rails'... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 68 Wed Nov 02, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 22:21 EST Ive seen a demo tape of Star Wars Arcade & it was choppy but smooth & had great graphics... The tape isnt very long & it was a while ago ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 69 Thu Nov 03, 1994 R.GRIDLEY [Rick G] at 07:36 EST Another reason for buying the Jag instead of the 32X is that the Jag is MADE IN THE USA! Support American workers! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 70 Thu Nov 03, 1994 C.OINES1 [Chazz] at 06:56 CST "...choppy but smooth..." Ummm... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 72 Thu Nov 03, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 19:20 CST BTW, I got a copy of the latest Silicon Graphics newletter today (forgot what they call it), and it had a rendering of an alien standing in the hallway of a space station on the cover. Extremely detailed, and rendered at print (not video) resolutions. Must have been 1024 by 1024, at least. Definately 24- bit. Gorgeous. The caption was something about gaming tools for the SGI, so I whipped it open to page 26, or whatever, and read the article, which was basically a press release touting Sega's Mid-America design center (whatever they call it) have selected a specific software package for the SGI to do game design for their 32-bit console "which will be released in the next month". So if you hear a rumor that AvP is coming for the 32X and it looks better than the Jag version, this is where it came from. At best, AvP may have been liscenced to Sega (one of the mystery 5), and the box art looks great. The article never mentioned the 32X, Atari, the Jag, or AvP by name. Of all these, only the 32X was even alluded to. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 74 Thu Nov 03, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 20:08 CST They could be referring to the Saturn which is supposed to be released in Japan this month. The chances of the a 32X version of AvP looking better are nil. They don't have the colors available. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 75 Thu Nov 03, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 22:20 EST WELL MAYBE....THE 32X IS AN AMERICAN INVENTION...SO THERE! AvP for 32X YIPPIE!!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 76 Thu Nov 03, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 21:29 CST I'd doubt the Saturn could produce this picture in any sort of gameplay situation, or anything like it. You could see every bump on the alien, there were individual fingers, and even individual teeth. The hallway was ultra- detailed, with black-and-white striped hoses laying in the floor. This picture was, at most, box art. I think the most significant thing about it is that, since it undoubtedly came from Sega, it's some sort of hint that AvP will come out for one of the Sega systems. Confirmation, anyone? ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 77 Thu Nov 03, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 21:35 CST Don't get your hopes up, Carnage. The best the 32X could do is a 256 color, 160x50 pixel window in the middle of the screen with a jerky frame-rate and low-res textures on the walls. But the FMV coming off the CD-ROM will be AWESOME - too bad FMV, in general, SUX! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 78 Thu Nov 03, 1994 E.MICHARD at 21:38 CST Chazz - I had the same reaction... 'choppy but smooth'??? Anyway, I had an interesting phone call with a local Babbages store today, and they informed me the 32X will be available on the 7th... but no games until the 9th!!! Duuuuuhh... It's not like I was gonna rush out and buy it anyway, but doesn't this seem a little stupid? No pack in and no games till 2 days after it's out...hahaha ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 79 Fri Nov 04, 1994 ST.WALLY [ _Wally_ ] at 00:27 EST Howdy, "...choppy but smooth..." Ya' know, the ocean is kind of like that...at 50 feet, those 18-foot waves look really, really choppy...but at 10,000 feet it looks really smooth. Yes, I can see it: Choppy but smooth. :) Wally ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 80 Fri Nov 04, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 01:32 EST The AvsP Box and Manual have photo quality rendered images on them. Whoever made the models did an excellent job! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 81 Fri Nov 04, 1994 E.HALLIWELL [Clay] at 00:40 CST "photo quality"??? I don't THINK so. In fact, I thought they were pretty cheezy. They definitely should have stuck with the "Egg & Predator" graphic for the cart label at least. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 82 Fri Nov 04, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 01:50 CST Carnage, Those games had better have great scrolling; Sega paid Atari $90 mil to get it! John L. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 83 Fri Nov 04, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 06:14 EST A.PETRIE1 - Is there a difference between being Canadian or American? I thought Canadians were just Americans who like to pretend they're not??? Maybe the rendered Alien was for Acclaim's ALIEN TRILOGY game??? E.MICHARD - Well, ElBo has a Jaguar CD-ROM game listed as being available a month BEFORE the actual CD-ROM hardware! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 85 Fri Nov 04, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 06:53 CST Clay probably doesn't like the picture since the predator doesn't look like he's wearing groucho nose-glasses. :) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 95 Sat Nov 05, 1994 HAINES [Chuck] at 10:51 EST I just saw a 32x ad on tv, and the alien flash I saw, having seen the same commercial a couple of times, was the zandozan alien from the Last Starfighter movie. It was fmv apparently. Maybe their is some mixup here, perhaps they are using that alien in a game for the 32x, in a fmv setting, cause it was not a game screen, for sure! Its hard to tell, the shots of the screens go by so fast. A friend who has little interest in games saw the same ad, and commmented that they sure looked jerky. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 96 Sat Nov 05, 1994 AEO.8 [DarkOak] at 18:17 EST I've seen a 32X up close and finished, (in the box and everything), It looked ready to release. There were separate audio/video ports on the back (and power !!) The only sample of graphics was 256 color FMV. which did look pretty good. (nice big black border around the screen though) eh... big deal. I've seen Jag CinePak. (i hate FMV anyways...) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 97 Sat Nov 05, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:53 EST Tim: Where, praytell did you see this thing? Also, what games did you see on it (or are none of them done yet?). Electronics Blowtique in my nearby mall has a 32X sign, that says if you pre-order you'll get $60 of software coupons now, and $60 when it comes out ($120 total). Of course, the coupons probably expire in 6 months and everyone knows that they'll be lucky to have 6 titles to spend ANY 6 coupons on in that timeframe... let alone 12! _____________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 98 Sun Nov 06, 1994 HAINES [Chuck] at 10:07 EST Oops, sorry, posted earlier that I saw a zandozan alien in the 32x ad, it was on the 3Do instead, sorry for the mistake. Anyway, on the Cybermanua awards on TBS last night, the part I saw, there was no jag coverage, but there was no 32x either, just Sega, Nintendo, 3Do. I taped it, so unless there was some later on to see, I hope not. I hope there was no 32x, if there was no Jag coverage. Starange choices for some of their awards, I thought. Did I miss any 32x commercials during this thing, or any jag ones? ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 99 Sun Nov 06, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 11:05 CST Why is it that Nintendo is the only company showing nice _looooong_ screen shots? That alone will sell Darkly Wrong Company... Nintendo -- you can actually _see_ the games in our ads... :) Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 100 Sun Nov 06, 1994 E.HALLIWELL [Clay] at 13:13 CST How's this for a DKC slogan... "Graphics even better than Crescent Galaxy!" ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 101 Sun Nov 06, 1994 G.LEGOWSKI [GregLeg] at 19:23 PST "Graphics even better than Crescent Galaxy"? Hmmm.... I played DKC in a Toys R Us yesterday. I was VERY underwhelmed. The graphics weren't nearly as sharp as I'd have expected for a "rendered" game (might have been the monitor, though). Gameplay didn't even compare to a good Sonic game, IMHO. Yawn. "Nintendo's answer to Crescent Galaxy" is more like it -- nice graphics, ho- hum game. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 102 Mon Nov 07, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 02:11 CST I've gotta hand it to Sony, though. That sound chip in the SNES can SING! If nothing else DKC has music with a _good_ hop n bop beat. Will we hear anything like this on 32X? maybe. Jaguar? With the new 16 voice drivers, I hope so. Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 103 Mon Nov 07, 1994 DANNY-BOY [Dan @ Xanth] at 18:26 PST I got to see DKC this weekend also. It does have nice graphics but it still hides a very avergae game. I'm disappointed that DGF was so thrilled with the "originality" of this game. Also, the music is nice, what there is of it. I also noticed that the game never seems to be moving more than five or six characters at any one time. Score and status are also not constantly displayed, albiet that may be a design choice. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 104 Tue Nov 08, 1994 J.NESS [Jim] at 15:48 CST Nintendo has released some AVI and QuickTime clips of DKC. Kind of an interesting way to promote the game. The 3-4meg downloads are a killer, though, and amount to 30-45 seconds of game action. -JN ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 105 Wed Nov 09, 1994 G.DERR [BENDERR] at 04:06 PST HEY FOLKS, BACK ON TASK. THE 32SUKS WILL NEVER AMOUNT TO ANYTHING, RIGHT? BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THE MISGUIDED PLAYERS OUT THERE THAT "gotta have it?",,, I've owned my Jag for as long as its been out, and I even sold my genesis because, basically, it SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 106 Wed Nov 09, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 06:12 CST I believe Road Rash 3DO could easily be done on 32X and it's at the right price to do these sort of "cosmetic redo" games that have been appearing on 3DO. After posting in the Jag vs. 3DO topic, I realized that _that's_ probably what Sega is going after. Backwards technology or not, if Sega can get the Super Genesis under $150 by next Christmas, (for those not following, Sega will introduce a Genesis containing the entire 32X chipset internally) that's a base that developers can't ignore... Well, I'll see for myself this Friday... Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 107 Thu Nov 10, 1994 C.WELLS10 [Ginsu] at 02:07 EST Just to let you folks know, my brother picked up the 32X at the local Babbages here in Fayetteville, NC today(Wens. 9th). However, no games came with the shipment of units, so he had nothing to play on it. As much grief as he's given me about the slow release of Jag games, I gave him a few earfuls(with plenty more saved up for tomorrow, heh) about no games for his upgrade 'til Friday. ("hey guys, Andy just got the 32X;ask him to demonstrate it!" hehheh...) ginsu ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 108 Thu Nov 10, 1994 D.WESNOR [Lead Dog] at 11:11 CST Steve - After reading the "About the Cover" blurb (I never even looked for it), I noticed that, well heck, I'll just type it in... "Acclaim Entertainment Inc.'s Alien Trilogy motion-capture-based video game used Wavefront Technologies' GameWare graphics software. Image Courtesy of Acclaim. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 109 Thu Nov 10, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 18:06 CST I picked up the latest issue of Game Players today(see category 2 for Atari related items)... They review Star Wars Arcade and Virtua Deluxe. Star Wars received an 88 and Virtua Deluxe got an 86. They also have an interview with the president of Sega and he really believes that they're going to sell 1 million 32Xs by the end of January. If they had a free pack-in game or if the unit was going for $100 without a pack-in I might possibly see it. But $150-$160 without a game? Yeah, sure. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 110 Thu Nov 10, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 18:48 CST Babbages and EB are both retailing the 32X at $149.99 in competitive markets. If you've got a store that's alone in your mall, it may still be $159.99. I'll be getting one soon (he says again!) Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 111 Fri Nov 11, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:55 EST My local "anti-jaguar" Electronics Blowtique had the 32X in the front window, with a big "32X is here" sign over it. I saw one dope and his girlfriend contemplating getting one. I went over and asked them what game came with it, but they didn't know (wink). Then I asked the sales droid (the fat one that insulted the Jaguar a year ago) where the games were. He said they would have them Saturday morning. (Both of them, that is). I asked him how he could possibly explain why he flamed the Jaguar last year when it came out because it had 4 titles, yet now he's got the 32X in the front window, but it has ZERO games. He couldn't explain it. Stuttering something about how it was a shoe-in for success, I told him that it's MASSIVELY overpriced, considering hiw little you get. Hitachi must be charging them an arm and a leg for the SH!+ 2 processors, because the thing has no RAM, lame sound, and no controller or pack-in _and_ is made by third-world prison labor for .03 an hour, yet costs 2/3 the price of a Jaguar. 32X is going to fail.... they have less than 1/2 as many developers as Jaguar does. __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 112 Fri Nov 11, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 18:06 CST I did a little mall hopping today and I saw 4 32Xs(2 in a Kay-Bee Toys at 1 mall, and 1 at a Gamer's Paradise and 1 at a Kay-Bee at another mall). AND NO SOFTWARE. I think's it's great when a company can get a piece of hardware out early but with no games it's a paperweight. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 113 Sat Nov 12, 1994 C.WELLS10 [Ginsu] at 01:58 EST Well, my brother finally got some games for his 32X;the ONLY two to come in today, StarWars Arcade and Virtua Racing Deluxe. Both were good, but nothing that i'd give a 90something(like GameFan, sheesh...) I'd have to say i was pretty dissapointed with the sound in both games, the graphics were OK. I certainly think the pictures I've seen of the newer revisions of Checkered Flag look AT LEAST as good as VR Deluxe, so i don't see how CF could get a score in the 60s and VR in the 90s??? I really HATE how these magazines drool over a new system, like the Jag, 3do, SNES, whatever, and then as soon as a one comes out(ie. 32X), they wig out on it and rag on the older systems, as if they are now inferior or something. SSHEEESHHH...... ginsu ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 114 Sat Nov 12, 1994 ICDINC [Tom] at 10:52 EST Ginsu, The question is did your brother give $90 something for thoe two games? How much has he invested in this new toy? - TOM - ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 115 Sat Nov 12, 1994 DOUGWILLIAMS [Doug] at 12:21 EST I must say, buying & taking home a piece of hardware with no software is really hardcore!! In another Cat., I was refered to as 'insane' for buying a computer 'just to play a game'. Oh well. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 116 Sat Nov 12, 1994 C.WELLS10 [Ginsu] at 16:34 EST Tom: Not sure how much he paid for the games and 32x put together, i'd imagine a pretty penny already....One thing i noticed about the coupon book included with the unit, most of 'em expire February at the latest, sheesh.... Oh, BTW, one thing i did notice on VR Deluxe, you can turn around and drive against traffic... Doug: Yeah, i really gave him a hard time on that one("c'mon, fire it up, i wanna see a game. oh? no games are out? what a shame....=)) ginsu ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 117 Sat Nov 12, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 17:09 EST C.WELLS10 [Ginsu]: >One thing i noticed about the coupon book included >with the unit, most of 'em expire February at the latest, sheesh.... Hheheheheheheh! I love it when I'm right! I predicted that those coupons would expire rapidly!!! I think it might have been this very topic. Anyhow... the marketing gurus came up with a super cool and totally legal SCAM for Sega! Offer $60 in coupons off of any games to anyone pre-ordering a 32X, and give them $60 in coupons with the 32X and make them expire in 2 months when only 3-4 titles will actually be out! HAHAHAHAHAH! Sega has sunk to new lows!!! What's everyone going to do, buy 3 or 4 of each title? HAHAHAHAHAH!!!! 32SUX!!! _______________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 118 Sat Nov 12, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 16:23 CST T-Bird, Actually, I think the rebates are title speciifc. Each of the coupons is for one specific 32X title. BTW Check out the December GameFan to compare 32X Doom and Jag Doom. It's really funny. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 119 Sun Nov 13, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 00:10 EST From: legrand@tesla.mbi.ucla.edu (Scott Le Grand) Subject: 32X: Top Ten Games Available Now! Date: 11 Nov 1994 20:05:35 GMT All these people complaining abut the 32X's lack of games are clearly delusional idiots! Just look at all these amazing games you can play on the 32X RIGHT NOW! 10. GreyWorld: Legend of the Blank Screen (Pack-in) 9. Virtua Helen Keller 8. The Great East Coast Blackout 7. Mavis Beacon teaches Braille 6. Virtua Artist (Requires Box of crayons accessory) 5. Really Really Dark Stalkers 4. Alone, Blind, Deaf, and Dumb in the Dark 3. Metallica: One 2. Fatty Bear in the Sensory Deprivation Chamber 1. Black Hole II: Inside the Black Hole __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 120 Sat Nov 12, 1994 L.CALAMAIO1 [gtr] at 23:30 CST T-Bird-- I loved the top ten. Dave Letterman would be proud. ---Lee ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 121 Sun Nov 13, 1994 M.SANTORA2 [Stingray] at 01:32 EST Thunderbird: nice top ten. it was not wasted. -mark "stingray"santora ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 122 Sun Nov 13, 1994 M.SANTORA2 [Stingray] at 01:35 EST Had my first hands on with the 32sux today. I think the name says it all, but I will say, graphics are blocky and lack definition, colors are bland and noninventive with their use, and generally disapointing. Overall, not worth thwe $160 purchase than the $60-$70 initial game. I guess this is what happens when you put a 32 bit adapter through a 16 bit bus. Makes me laugh when Tommy mentions 64bit adapter for the 3d0. markk "stingray" santora ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 123 Sun Nov 13, 1994 C.WELLS10 [Ginsu] at 04:56 EST Great top ten list!!!! wait'll my brother hears this, heh..... ginsu ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 124 Sun Nov 13, 1994 V.MILAN [Vic] at 03:29 MST Tbird => ROFLMAO! Especially loved #3. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 125 Sun Nov 13, 1994 G.LEGOWSKI [GregLeg] at 07:36 PST Damn -- TBird beat me to it. I have the same list from the 'net, but forgot to post it here. Ah well, such is life. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 126 Sun Nov 13, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 13:55 CST Here's something interesting... Over in the Videogames topic, Zach Meston passed along a nifty piece of info. Sega employees are internally referring to the 32X as the Super NES upgrade. They recently got in the 32X version of Mortal Kombat 2 from Acclaim and it's basically a pixel perfect port of the SNES version. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 127 Sun Nov 13, 1994 AEO.6 [Dimitri L.] at 14:58 EST Yeah, I was just choked up with amusement when I saw no games for the 32X. Ah yes, the wonderful Sega Tumor--an ugly black mass with which you can't do anything but watch it suck the life out of Sega... Dimitri @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 128 Sun Nov 13, 1994 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 17:35 EST Not a single Jaguar in our Toys R Us. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 129 Sun Nov 13, 1994 E.MICHARD at 17:19 CST Well, I saw the 32X and Star wars today... I must say that I wasn't all that impressed with Star Wars Arcade... All I saw was the Tie fighter battles and an asteroid field, but it didn't seem all that great... A local video games store sponsors a monthly swap-meet, and I saw a lot of the dealers there selling the 32X for $135, no tax... the games were going for $49.99 for SW, $59.99 for VRD.... Needless to say, I didn't waste my money.... I DID, however, pick up a NEO-GEO and 3 games for $100... not a bad deal... I can't believe anybody would pay $200 each for these games when they were first released... They don't come even close to what I've seen on the Jaguar.... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 130 Mon Nov 14, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 03:09 EST So far, 32X doesn't seem to have as much interest as expected. That may change, though, when a few more titles are out by Xmas. On a sad note, VIRTUA RACING DELUXE _does_ look better than CHECKERED FLAG for the Jaguar, based on the most recent examples I've seen. However, I'll wait until I see the final CF before passing final judgment on it. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 131 Mon Nov 14, 1994 M.LYDA [mike] at 20:10 EST Thunderbird; >32X is going to fail.... they have less than 1/2 as many developers >as Jaguar does. Try to be fair now.. you jumped up and down and pitched a virtual tantrum when Tommy kept repeating his mantra that the Jag would fail because it didn't have 1/2 the number of developers as the 3DO.. the Jag is doing fine despite the smaller number of developers, and there must be 100 other reasons why the 32SUX will fail! :-) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 132 Mon Nov 14, 1994 J.TRAUTSCHOL [Missionware] at 21:38 CST Speaking of Sega... I just got a notice from my cable company in the mail today, Continental Cablevision, saying that once they complete the upgrade of their system from coax to fiber, the plan on offering, among other things, The Sega Channel! ARGH! Apparently any or all Sega 32X games will be available, on demand, from the cable system. I read elsewhere that Time-Warner will be offering the same thing but for Jaguar games. I wonder if I can convert from Continental to T-W? :-( John T. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 133 Mon Nov 14, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 22:43 EST WELL all U Atari guys...As youve probably noticed I left this category a while ago...Im back 1 last time to tell U...I GOT A 32X...As soon as I saw the ratings for AvP I concluded that there was nothing that made me want to buy a Jaguar anymore...U guys can dis the 32X all U want but Im happy with my choice & thats what counts..I will not be posessed by U Jag. zombies trying to convert people...I dont have any games but have heard mostly positive things about them...Theres a reason that V.R.Del. got better ratings than C.F. which is probably that its a better game (DUH)...Also I want to know how to get a Neo Geo so cheap...SHEESH I could charge the neighbourhood kids a quarter each & make a killing...1 more thing...A CANADIAN IS A CANADIAN...CASE CLOSED...CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 134 Mon Nov 14, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 23:13 EST T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: >WELL all U Atari guys...As youve probably noticed I left this category >a while ago...Im back 1 last time to tell U...I GOT A 32X...As soon as >I saw the ratings for AvP I concluded that there was nothing that made >me want to buy a Jaguar anymore... Let me get this straight... AvP gets: 98, 98, 98 in Die Hard Gamefan, and 90% in Videogames magazine, and there's nothing that makes you want to buy a Jaguar anymore? >U guys can dis the 32X all U want but Im happy with my choice >& thats what counts..I will not be posessed by U Jag. zombies trying to >convert people...I dont have any games but have heard mostly positive >things about them... You buy a MASSIVELY OVERPRICED and TECHNICALLY WEAK system that only has 2 games available for it, don't buy any games at all, reject a game that gets an almost perfect score, and YOU call US zombies? In my opinion, you had already been brainwa... er... had decided to get a 32X long before you came over here. You really haven't provided any valid reasons for buying the 32X, and completely ignored evidence suggesting that the games you want will be out sooner and will be _better_ than 32X versions. >Theres a reason that V.R.Del. got better ratings than C.F. which >is probably that its a better game (DUH)... I guess that makes "Donky Kong Country" better than VR Deluxe, huh? You shoulda bought a SNES instead (DUH)... One last question: do you ever make any decisions without checking with Sega first? ____________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 135 Tue Nov 15, 1994 L.CALAMAIO1 [gtr] at 01:06 CST Uhhh....I think CARNAGE called us all Zombies...is that name-calling? I can't tell anymore on this RT. ---Lee Let's all take a break and lighten up. OK? I know, everyone thinks they are right, and O would I love to take a side (I HATE CENSORSHIP) but I love the Jaguar more, and all this energy could be better spent bashing the 32suX or the 3DOA. And feel free to attack me; I can take it. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 136 Tue Nov 15, 1994 M.PERDUE [Mario] at 08:21 EST Carnage, I glad you got what you wanted. Don't let the door slam on you on your way out. Mario ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 137 Tue Nov 15, 1994 C.OINES1 [Chazz] at 07:39 CST (munch munch) Mmmmmmm.... brains..... (munch munch munch) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 138 Tue Nov 15, 1994 G.K. [Greg] at 10:04 EST Carnage, I hope you don't feel too bad when 32X Doom gets slaughtered by Jag Doom. It would be a shame for you to realize the big mistake you made so soon after your purchase. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 139 Tue Nov 15, 1994 E.HALLIWELL [Clay] at 11:31 CST Why is that whenever I read Carnage's posts I think of the early chapters of "Flowers for Algernon"? ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 140 Tue Nov 15, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 18:38 EST I HAVE A Super NES (DUH)...The sad fact is that U dont seem to comprehend that al most all games for the Jag SUCK!!!..Id rather take my chances with a system that has gotten good reviews for its first 3 games then pay for a more expensive game system that hardly has 3 good games...I didnt really come on here to bash anyone (Although I admit that zombie comment was a little too much) Im just tellin my side & believe me if a had the money I woulda bought a Jag but seeing that it is $100 more that the 32X that isnt gonna happen..truthfully I would rather have gotten a Neo Geo but again price ..besides when I see what the new systems comin out are like I may change my mind & when that happens maybe Ill sell my 32X...MAYBE...CARNAGE!!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 141 Tue Nov 15, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 18:45 CST CARNAGE "The sad fact is that U dont seem to comprehend that almost all games for the Jag SUCK!!!..Id rather take my chances with a system that has gotten good reviews for its first 3 games then pay for a more expensive game system that hardly has 3 good games" Let me get this straight. You(someone who doesn't have a Jag) is trying to tell us(people who do have Jags and have played the Jag games) about the quality of Jag games. I have every available Jag game and I've enjoyed them all...even Crescent Galaxy. Plus, the Jag has some stunning stuff (Doom, Iron Solider, and Ultra Vortex) coming up. I've seen 2 magazines so far who have reviewed the 32X titles. There's a lot more mags out there and they might not all give those titles similar marks. For example, EGM panned AvP while 7 other magazines gave it excellent scores. "I'm just tellin my side & believe me if a had the money I woulda bought a Jag but seeing that it is $100 more that the 32X that isnt gonna happen.." How is the Jag $100 more than the 32X? If you find someone selling the 32X for $150(10 bucks below list), you still need a game to play on it(no pack in). I saw Virtua Racing Deluxe for $65 today. $150+$65=$215. Let's say you get the $10 rebate on the game it comes out to $205. That's only $45 less than the Jag price. There's a store by my house that has the Jag on sale this week for $230 plus you get a free copy of Dino-Dudes by mail. A 32X and 2 games would be $255(figuring in those rebates). ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 142 Tue Nov 15, 1994 T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 19:47 EST T.GOFF: DO THE MATH. 32X- $159, includes nothing. Can only be re-sold to a Sega owner. Jaguar- $229, includes 1 game, one controller, a/c adapter, auto RF switch box. Can be re-sold to anyone. Add in the cost of your first 32suX game cart and you're almost at the price of the stand alone Jag, without any of the other accessories! Buy a magazine... look at Jag Doom, then look at 32suX Doom. You _still_ want a 32X???!!! -Tom McComb {8:36 pm} Tuesday, November 15, 1994 ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 143 Tue Nov 15, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 20:17 EST T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: >I HAVE A Super NES (DUH)...The sad fact is that U dont seem to comprehend that >al most all games for the Jag SUCK!!! I _really_ want to know how you formed this opinion? Your previous post seems to indicate that you concluded that "Alien vs. Predator" was a terrible game based on some "ratings" that you spotted, and this is what caused you to decided to buy the 32X. I got news for ya... "Alien vs. Predator" received _excellent_ reviews by almost every magazine, radio show, and online user. I'd appreciate you telling us who is deciding how good Jaguar games are for you. >Id rather take my chances with a system that has gotten good reviews >for its first 3 games then pay for a more expensive game system that >hardly has 3 good games... As demonstrated, the Jaguar is actually less expensive to own than the 32X. You cannot compare the 32X minus games and controller and GENESIS unit and cables and power supply to the cost of the Jaguar. Otherwise, I'll pay $23 for an extra Jag controller and claim that the 32X costs "137 dollars more than the Jaguar" because I can get a piece of the Jag for under $25... Furthermore, the only place I've see all TWO 32X games get 'good' reviews was in one of those Sega-Only rags (what do you expect them to say?). The GENERAL media give V.R. Deluxe 'good' ratings, and Star Wars Arcade gets AVERAGE ratings. Any magazine that rates 32X Doom even CLOSE to their JagDoom score probably has reviewers who would clean toilets at Sega H.Q. with their tongues and say it tasted like champagne. The Jaguar, on the other hand, has received critical acclaim (not just 'good' reviews like you say, but 'top-of-the-heap' reviews) for Tempest 2000, the Jaguar Itself, AvP, and Wolf-3D. Every reason you give for deciding on the 32X seems to be a reason to buy the Jaguar OVER the 32X. I don't understand this at all. __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 144 Tue Nov 15, 1994 ARCHIVIST [Charlie] at 20:26 EST Carnage, since you've already laid your cash on the counter I'd say, 'Enjoy, and keep your fingers crossed' for the life of the add-on. Do keep your eye on the mag's and here on line for news about Jag games. I'm sure you'll see games out in the next little while that will make you change your mind about the system. :-) Save your pennies .... Charlie/sysop ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 145 Wed Nov 16, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 01:43 EST Some of you don't do math very well.:-) The 32X doesn't work without the SG. I don't care if you already own one, you had to buy it originally (probably for $150-$200). Just guessing, if two new buyers start out they would have to spend, what?, $100 for the SG and $150 for the 32X or $250 with no games. Then you get a 16bit machine with a 32bit add on for a system thats going to be replaced next year anyway. The Jag goes for about $230 with a game and you get a true integrated 64bit system. BTW, I have a SG, SN and Jag (with all the games) so I'm not even close to considering a 32X.:-) Carnage, thats not meant for you, exactly. However, If your going to claim all the games suck, when you've never played them, then be prepared for some Zombies to speak up.:-) Personally, It's not an eithor/or issue with me. The games are pretty much the same price and the systems are relatively cheap. Buy what you want and have fun with it. Opps... I remember now, after comparing frame rates, polygon specs, company policies, commercials, logo's, store displays, litigations, stock prices, flaming messages, practicing "my grandpa can beat up your grandpa" and generally trashing anyone who disagrees, I'm suppose to have fun.:-) I knew there was a logical reason I bought this stupid thing.:-) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 146 Wed Nov 16, 1994 A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL] at 19:11 EST >Videogames >Category 3, Topic 36 >Message 381 Wed Nov 16, 1994 >T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 18:36 EST > >OH 1 more thing my game sometimes freezes up during play & on my Sega >CD...Does anyone know what that is?? Is it cause I got so many plugs that it >causes a power surge or is it a bug or just a fact of life???...CARNAGE!!! >---------- > Isn't life great! You should also drop in to the 32x area in the VG RT seems there may be problems with sound. AL P ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 147 Wed Nov 16, 1994 E.MICHARD at 19:32 CST From what I've seen in the 32X VG RT area, they are having MAJOR problems with the sound when using the old Genesis and/or Sega CD. In fact, the discussion over there is about nothing BUT the sound problems... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 148 Wed Nov 16, 1994 B.CONNOLLY1 [Bud] at 22:32 EST Clint, >How is the Jag $100 more than the 32X? If you find someone selling >the 32X for $150(10 bucks below list), you still need a game to play >on it(no pack in). I saw Virtua Racing Deluxe for $65 today. >$150+$65=$215. Let's say you get the $10 rebate on the game it comes >out to $205. That's only $45 less than the Jag price. There's a store >by my house that has the Jag on sale this week for $230 plus you get >a free copy of Dino-Dudes by mail. A 32X and 2 games would be >$255(figuring in those rebates). and don't forget the $100 for the original Sega Genesis console. Do+the+Math! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 149 Thu Nov 17, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 18:46 EST Sound may be a problem for some but mine works fine I have no idea why tthose guys cant get theirs to work...& like I said theres not to much games that interest me & Ive never played Doom so I would only care about how good the game is not about how good it looks...& I go by EGM...Theyve never steered me wrong before...BYE ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 150 Thu Nov 17, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 18:03 CST The Best Buy and Toys R Us I go to, got in their 32Xs. Guess what? That's right. They don't have any of the games. I finally saw a 32X game running up close and personal at a small game store I go to. They had Star Wars Arcade running on it. They had the sound turned off and you couldn't play it so I can only comment on the graphics. YUCK. It was smooth but the graphics were bland and had a chunkyness to them. I wasn't impressed at all. To be honest, I find Starfox on the Super NES to be graphically more impressive(Cybermorph of course blows it away). ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 151 Thu Nov 17, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 18:04 CST I wonder if Carnage knows that his favorite game is really Lemmings. John L. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 152 Thu Nov 17, 1994 J.BATTEY1 [Dal.I-Dotter] at 18:31 CST >I go by EGM...They've never steered me wrong before... that you noticed. As someone who still hasn't purchased a console, I must say that I don't see how the SEGA CD or 32SX could logically be considered a cost effective purchase. No hope of ever seeing MPEG for the CD, much less MPEG2; a bolt-on 32-bit head trying to pump new life into an aging body past a 16-bit noose; it makes no sense at all. John L. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 153 Thu Nov 17, 1994 A.PETRIE1 [Suzie/AL] at 20:15 EST >Atari-ST RoundTable >Category 26, Topic 42 >Message 149 Thu Nov 17, 1994 >T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 18:46 EST > I go by EGM...Theyve never steered me >wrong before...BYE >---------- > At least that you are aware of. About 40 watts? AL P ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 154 Thu Nov 17, 1994 T.MCCOMB [=Tom=] at 20:30 EST To quote from the movie ALIENS.... "did IQ's suddenly drop around here?" -Tom McComb {9:20 pm} Thursday, November 17, 1994 ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 155 Thu Nov 17, 1994 T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE] at 23:14 EST I DONT THINK SO...THE JAGUARs DOOMED JUST LIKE THE LYNX...FACE IT...DAMM U...Im OUTTA HERE FOR GOOD (cant afford this Genie system & I need to save money for new 32X games)...BYE !!! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 156 Thu Nov 17, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 23:08 CST My...that was certainly mature. And just in case he comes back, the Lynx is headed back to store shelves. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 157 Fri Nov 18, 1994 REALM [Joey] at 02:53 EST Thought I heard Dorfman for a minute?:-) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 158 Fri Nov 18, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 03:02 CST Was that profane language!!! TOPIC COPS, arrest that guy!! Waitaminit,... oh, that's not a "n" at the end.... carry on.... Just what do the SH2's do if they aren't parallel. I don't get why they'd need 2 of them if one can't work while the other does. Can anyone give me a scenario? Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 159 Fri Nov 18, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 19:24 EST 'cause I started this topic and don't recall inviting LIARS into it. T.GOFF1 [CARNAGE]: >I DONT THINK SO...THE JAGUARs DOOMED JUST LIKE THE LYNX...FACE IT...DAMM >U... "Doom" for the Lynx? When's it coming out? It will probably be better than the 32SUX version... that one is a JOKE! >Im OUTTA HERE FOR GOOD (cant afford this Genie system & I need to save >money for new 32X games)...BYE !!! Put a dollar in the bank, and by the time anything good comes out for it, you'll have enough money to buy it, thanks to the miracle of compound interest. K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys]: >Just what do the SH2's do if they aren't parallel. I don't get why they'd >need 2 of them if one can't work while the other does. Can anyone give me >a scenario? They probably just threw in 2 of them so that it wouldn't look so crappy compared to certain other systems which have 4 or 5 processors in them. The marketing department probably insisted it have more than 1 CPU, so they wouldn't get creamed by the rest of the world. Saying "40 times more powerful than before" is a lot more impressive than "20 times more powerful than before". It also doubles their "MIPS" rating, and other theoretical benchmarks (on paper, anyways). Probably at one time they were going to promote it as "64- bit" because it had 2x32-bit processors. The SH2 lives up to it's name (SH__) by having a bizarre register scheme that only lets you access certain registers at certain times, as opposed to the Jaguar which has more registers and no restrictions. The SH2 is also a "Generic" CPU, which doesn't have specialized instructions for doing 3D math and bitmapped graphics manipulation (like other systems we know of). If you ask me, the money would have been better spent on something MORE than 512K of RAM. Look at 32X DOOM. It is a JOKE! DHGF let someone who's never seen PC Doom before review it, so he wouldn't know all the stuff they had to strip out to make it run on the 32SUX. __________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 160 Fri Nov 18, 1994 COCO-SYSOP at 19:27 EST Geez. We are a bunch of baby-kids, aren't we? Gripe, fight, nag, nag. Sigh. Anyway, whoever gets the best games will win. I mean, Nintendo beat out the superior Master System, then the SNES was on top until the Genesis got better marketting and stuff going and then Sega was ahead. So, if a l "worse" system can come on top, who knows. I went to the local toystore today - a bunch of 32Xs in stock, but no games. Heh heh - good move, Kay Bee! Allen I will probably get a 32X and a Jag this Christmas. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 161 Fri Nov 18, 1994 E.MICHARD at 20:38 CST Well, whoever said Jaguar DOOM would be available before 32X DOOM, You were wrong.... 32X DOOM is out at $69.... Any news on when we will see jaguar DOOM? The Babbages drones are all saying December.... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 162 Fri Nov 18, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 22:02 CST The Jag version of Doom is due next week. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 163 Sat Nov 19, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 00:20 EST E.MICHARD: >Well, whoever said Jaguar DOOM would be available before 32X DOOM, You >were wrong.... 32X DOOM is out at $69.... What a ripoff! I read it was only 24 Megabits as opposed to JagDoom's 32 Megabits for roughly the same price. (And 32X Doom _sucks_ in comparison). Where's Carnage to tell us how great it is? _____________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 164 Sat Nov 19, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 07:10 EST You guys should see Sega's 32X propaganda sheet they sent to retailers, comparing the 32X to 3DO and Jaguar! If I get a chance, and nobody at work's thrown it away, I'll try to write it up in ASCII format for a good laugh! Here's a brief excerpt, though, to show its level of 'truth': 3DO Jaguar 32X # of titles at launch 3 3 7 7??? Most retailers must have been missing the other 5! ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 165 Sat Nov 19, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 06:42 CST Steve, By what I've been seeing, most of the retailers DIDN'T even have those 2. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 166 Sat Nov 19, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 10:01 EST I discovered why all the 32X games look so crappy, from reports I've read on the nets about how if you unplug the Genesis from the 32X you lose some of the graphics. Apparently, the 32X is too weak to generate all of it's displays internally, so what they do is use the video output of the Genesis to show some of the graphics, and they overlay the 32X graphics on top. You have to hook up some crazed arrangement of cables and wires to get the video and audio from your Genny to the 32X, and it's poorly documented and everyone is having problems. Anyhow... I read a report that if you unplug the Genny video, the backgrounds in VRD disappear and they appear blank. That explains why 32X games have such a crappy look: They take a crummy 64-color image, de-modulate it inside the 32X (adding noise and bleeding of colors) overlay the 32X graphics (extra hardware required to overlay graphics that drives up the cost of the unit) then re-modulate it for sending to your TV. Essentially, any graphics coming from the Genesis will have the crummy Genesis "look", only with the additional noise introduced by the modulation- demodulation-overlay-modulation process. No wonder it looks so crappy! ___________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 168 Sat Nov 19, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 10:27 EST STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG]: >I'll try to write it up in ASCII format for a good laugh! Please try and find it, or at least tell us more about it. > 3DO Jaguar 32X > # of titles at launch 3 3 7 > > >7??? Most retailers must have been missing the other 5! From what I heard, 32X had ZERO titles (unless you count "Greyworld") at launch. Didn't the Jag have 4? Or don't pack-ins count? _______________________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 172 Sat Nov 19, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 15:39 CST I saw the box for the 32X version of Doom at Best Buy. Hmmmm, for some reason the screenshots on the back are cropped so you never see that neat stone border around the screen. I was back at the place that has Star Wars running. A guy came up, noticed the 32X games in the display case and then looked up at the screen(it's on top of the display case). "Oh, the 32X." He watched for a minute or two and then said, "Those graphics aren't too good." and walked away. Could we get more places to run this demo? ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 184 Sun Nov 20, 1994 STEVE-J [Steve @ NMG] at 06:56 EST D.ENGEL - I brought it home with me tonight, but I won't be able to write it up until at least Sunday eve. sometime -- it IS hilarious, though! DARLAH - Can I call myself a liar??? Is it just me, or do Doug and Scott BELONG together? ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 185 Sun Nov 20, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 08:21 CST I have no problem with people speaking their minds, free speech, etc. I only ask that it be done in the right place so if someone doesn't find this arguement to be entertaining, they won't have to read it. I read Topic 42 to find out people's opinions on the Jag Vs. the 32X. Couldn't everyone just calm down, take a deep breath, and relax. This is category about a game machine, something to have fun with. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 187 Sun Nov 20, 1994 M.PERDUE [Mario] at 09:29 EST Oooops I forgot to stay on topic in my last post. I stopped by EB yesterday to see what the 32X was all about. I'm sure glad I didn't drop any of my money on this one! Doom was terrible! The bad guys all facing directly towards you really sucks! Mario ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 193 Sun Nov 20, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 10:29 CST Tbird, you "programmer" I thought that a "developer" like you might be interested in what Sega thinks about the "upgrade" 32X versus the "videogame" system competition. By the by, this info is for all you other "people" too... # of colors--- 3DO - 64,000 Jaguar - 16 million 32X - 32,768 Do you know what this "company" has to say about this, "64,000 and 16 million are overkill - your eyes can't see the difference" (Kinda sounds like Nintendo and the "You don't need 16 bit" argument. Frame Rate -- (I was waiting until this next "phantom" spec got in a release!) 3DO - 30 Jaguar - 60 32X - 60 To which Sega footnotes, "3DO will never achieve arcade speed or quality." Well, we're in agreeance :) Programmable Graphics Engine--- 3DO - N Jag - Y 32X - Y Hmmm, _two_ "slams" against 3DO. Was there more at stake in this stock buy than meets the eye? Of course they use the Main CPU argument wherein they label the 68000 as "Main" CPU <-- Their terms, not mine. Then they use a MIPS factor for _that_ chip only 7 vs. 1.2 vs. 40 (32x is 40 MIPS?!? They must be running "Sega specific" instructions :) # of CPUs--- 3DO - 2 Jag - 3 32X - 4 You know what the worst thing is about these "specs?" The give "uninformed" people the idea that they _may_ know what they're talking about. I almost hate to shoot them down with "real" information, but I figure if they make a "fool" of themselves in front of me, it's ok. But in front of a _GROUP_ sometime later in life? They might not be able to take it. :> There are a couple others but this is the last one that strikes me as "interesting"... Total bits--- 3DO - 32 Jag - 64 32X - 32 And the footnote reads, "Without processing power, 64 bit is stalled." Ya, rite...These are the same guys that promise "20,000 Tmapped polys/sec" while claiming the Jag only gets "8,000." I hope this has been informative _and_ entertaining without disturbing any of the "nice" people that "frequent" this area. "Still" Sailing, Sir* Fransys *not meant as a statement of my own masculinity or title of supremacy. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 194 Sun Nov 20, 1994 KEBAUM [bobo] at 11:37 EST Well, I got to play with a 32x for 1/2 an hour today. Overall, very UNimpressive. Star Wars was terrible . Although I didn't play past the first { evel . Virtua was good but the graphics did n't blow me away. Also SW didn't look very colorful. I heard it only uses 64 colors. Ken ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 195 Sun Nov 20, 1994 D.SMITH200 [Dave] at 11:57 EST Since this topic got into a discussion of "political correctness", I've seen far more screen time wasted on debating a dead issue than on the original topic. Please, lets get back to the flame wars :) ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 196 Sun Nov 20, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 11:49 CST Sega's comparison list sounds very funny. So 16 million colors aren't important, huh? So how come their next system(Saturn) has that many if it's not neccessary? It reminds me of Nintendo's ,"Systems like the Jaguar are too expensive at $250" argument. But when they talk about their next generation system (Ultra 64) coming out at $250, they consider that to be an affordable price. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 197 Sun Nov 20, 1994 G.K. [Greg] at 13:03 EST Sir Fransys, I think 16.7 million colors is pretty much overkill for games as well.. AvP and Doom show that 16bit color is fine most of the time. I expect 16.7 million colors to come in pretty handy when the Jag CD is released, though, mainly for Photo CDs and MPEG Video CDs. Also, Hoo boy.. the 32X has 4 CPUs compared to the Jag's 3. I guess this means that the 32X is only an 8-bit machine since one of those processors is the Z-80 in the Genesis... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 198 Sun Nov 20, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 16:05 EST K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys]: VERY interesting post. ># of colors--- 3DO - 64,000 Jaguar - 16 million 32X - 32,768 >Do you know what this "company" has to say about this, "64,000 and 16 >million are overkill - your eyes can't see the difference" (Kinda >sounds like Nintendo and the "You don't need 16 bit" argument. Maybe their eyes have trouble seeing the difference between 64000 and 16 Million, but what about the difference between 16Million and 32768? I guess I should have my eyes checked, since I could have sworn that the reason a was doing the StarBattleSphere title sequence in 32-bit color was that it looked so much better than the 16-bit color version I was working on. Silly me. >Frame Rate -- (I was waiting until this next "phantom" spec got in a >release!) 3DO - 30 Jaguar - 60 32X - 60 To which Sega footnotes, >"3DO will never achieve arcade speed or quality." Well, we're in >agreeance :) As much as I'd like to agree with that, I cannot, since it's a truly MEANINGLESS spec. >Programmable Graphics Engine--- 3DO - N Jag - Y 32X - Y Hmmm, _two_ >"slams" against 3DO. Was there more at stake in this stock buy than meets >the eye? I'd like to know more about this "programmable graphics engine" they claim to have. So far, they've been real quiet about the sound and graphics capabilities of the thing. The only reason I know how crappy the SH2 processors are is because they are a standard Hitatchi part. (For what it's worth, the two SH2's can actually run in parallel given that they have internal RAM. They cannot access the bus at the same time, though, and referencing external memory causes up to 3 extra cycles overhead on every access) >Of course they use the Main CPU argument wherein they label the 68000 as >"Main" CPU <-- Their terms, not mine. Then they use a MIPS factor for >_that_ chip only 7 vs. 1.2 vs. 40 (32x is 40 MIPS?!? They must be >running "Sega specific" instructions :) I don't understnad what this says? Are you saying that they claim the Jag's main CPU is the 68000? Where's the 1.2 come from? ># of CPUs--- 3DO - 2 Jag - 3 32X - 4 You know what the worst thing is >about these "specs?" The give "uninformed" people the idea that they >_may_ know what they're talking about. I almost hate to shoot them down >with "real" information, but I figure if they make a "fool" of themselves >in front of me, it's ok. But in front of a _GROUP_ sometime later in life? >They might not be able to take it. :> Note that they don't mention RAM size, memory bandwidth, pixel output speed, sound channels/resolution, and the fact that you have to already own the Genesis and controllers. I hope Atari's got their own counter-32X advertisement in the works. They could combine it into the ad that compares 32X "Doom lite" to JagDoom! >There are a couple others but this is the last one that strikes me as >"interesting"... Total bits--- 3DO - 32 Jag - 64 32X - 32 And the >footnote reads, "Without processing power, 64 bit is stalled." Is that like the Nintendo Dinky Dung Pantry ad that claims that 64-bits is not how to make good games, it's all in the programming? (And why are they working on their own 64-bit system then?) >These are the same guys that promise "20,000 Tmapped polys/sec" while >claiming the Jag only gets "8,000." Anyone can do more polygons per second, if they make them small enough, and decrease their color resolution. Get real Sega! All in all, a very amusing post! _______________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 199 Sun Nov 20, 1994 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 17:30 EST Doug: Jules wrote me to get me to look at this whole thing from a different viewpoint. I like that. Sysoping is NOT an easy job. I posted a message to you in Cat 18 Topic 6. Thanks, Jules. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 200 Sun Nov 20, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 18:55 CST Tbird, They did mention a sound comparison, so I post it now. 3DO - 44Khz x 16 x 4ch Jag - 44KHz x 16 x 2ch 32X - 44KHz x 16 bit PWM x 2ch + Genesis... I'm guessing PWM is Pulse Wave Modulation (PCM being Pulse Code Modulation, right?) Wha' da' heck is dat? Explanation, please... Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 201 Sun Nov 20, 1994 B.REEVES2 [Alter Ego] at 18:07 PST Specs from the 32X manual: CPU: SH2 (23Mhz)*2 RAM: 2Mbit Video RAM: 2Mbit VDP: Custom LSI, NTSC Standard, 32768 colors Video output: Video/RF/RGB Sound Circuitry: PWM sound source Note that to get RF output you need an external RF modulator which is not supplied. On the audio, the box says that the 32X, "Delivers stereo digital audio with programmable sample rates; audio mixing with Genesis sound." (Mono Genesis sound if you have the origional Genesis instead of the Genesis 2.) The sounds on Virtua Racing and Star Wars Arcade, seem to be generated on the Genesis sound chip. --Alter Ego ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 202 Sun Nov 20, 1994 AEO.MAG [] Go FSU! [] at 21:37 EST Sir Fransys, Where, oh, where were those delicious statistics that prove the world-class performance of the 32X taken from? I gotta get me a copy. I want to save that "16 million colors are overkill" and mail a copy to Sega of Japan. That pesky Saturn! --Travis @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 204 Sun Nov 20, 1994 S.LEGRAND [Oppressor] at 20:30 PST 16,000,000 colors IS overkill. Why I could have done Jurassic Park with on 12! And who watches Babylon 5? It's not on any network! RGB SUX! The PC is the most popular computer on the planet and it only has 256 colors. If it's good enough for Bill Gates, it's good enough for Sega, and it's good enough for you... Sega: Trust us, we're smarter than you... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 205 Sun Nov 20, 1994 AEO.MAG [] Go FSU! [] at 23:41 EST I don't know why, but all of a sudden, I have this uncontrollable urge to trust Sega.... --Travis @ AEO ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 206 Sun Nov 20, 1994 J.ZENTZ1 [wintermane] at 23:32 PST Welcome ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 207 Mon Nov 21, 1994 D.MUNSIE at 02:59 CST Fact: For the first time buyer the Genesis+32X is about the same price as a Jaguar. Both would give you a pack in game. Sonic(whatever) vs Cybermorph. After you take it home and come back to buy some games, you will be able to browse around at about 7 Jaguar games ranging from ok to Fantastic, On the Genesis+32X side you will be able to browse around at rounghly 100-200 titles for the Genesis and about 2-3 titles for the 32X. Heck, even this thing called Doom I've heard so much about, is out for the 32X already. (From a first time buyers point of view..) There's even a CD player for the Genesis+32X system? THIS is what will keep the massess buying the Sega unit over the Jag unit, at least over this XMAS holiday. IMHO.... Just a thought... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 208 Mon Nov 21, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 06:48 CST AEO.MAG, Sega sent these (hmph) fact sheets to the Toys R Us demonstrators so that they could have a decent stream of drivel to spout. I could see if I could get a FAX thing going because no matter how much I type, seeing it in SEGA's writing is a much greater kick! B.REEVES2, <> What does it output, Svideo? Video/Audio? Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 209 Mon Nov 21, 1994 C.SMITH89 [CLINT/A.P.E.] at 07:26 CST D.MUNSIE, The problem is, that the 32X(and the Jag as a matter of fact)AREN'T aimed at the first time buyer). They are both targeted at people who already have game systems. The 32X is specifically aimed at pre-existing Genesis owners. For someone like that, coming into a store and seeing 200 Genesis titles isn't that big of a deal. However, if you've forked over $150 and see only 3 titles for the 32X that's a different story. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 212 Mon Nov 21, 1994 DARLAH [RT~SYSOP] at 08:43 EST I moved your message to Cat 18 Topic 6. Please respond there not here. I am posting this here as mail is out today. ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 213 Mon Nov 21, 1994 M.PERDUE [Mario] at 08:52 EST Oppressor, Did you _really_ just mention Bill Gates? I think I'm gonna be sick! Mario ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 214 Mon Nov 21, 1994 D.ENGEL [Thunderbird] at 18:20 EST AEO.MAG [] Go FSU! []: >I don't know why, but all of a sudden, I have this uncontrollable urge to >trust Sega.... Trust no one... (Got any good dirt this week, Travis?) D.MUNSIE: >Fact: For the first time buyer the Genesis+32X is about the same price >as a Jaguar. Both would give you a pack in game. Sonic(whatever) vs >Cybermorph. After you take it home and come back to buy some games, you >will be able to browse around at about 7 Jaguar games ranging from >ok to Fantastic, On the Genesis+32X side you will be able to browse >around at rounghly 100-200 titles for the Genesis and about 2-3 titles >for the 32X. By the same token, the first time buyer can, for about the same price as a Genesis+32X with 1 game, get himself a 64-bit Jaguar with 2 games (9 to choose from) AND an Atari 2600 with 300-500 titles to choose from. More games != better buy. >Heck, even this thing called Doom I've heard so much about, >is out for the 32X already. (From a first time buyers point of view..) Actually, Atari has had print ads for Doom in magazines for 2 months now, and has had screenshots in their "clifford" ads on TV. Even so, "hearing" a game is out, doesn't necessarily make it any better if it sucks. Hearing about a game != the game is good. >There's even a CD player for the Genesis+32X system? THIS is what will >keep the massess buying the Sega unit over the Jag unit, at least over >this XMAS holiday. IMHO.... The SegaCD is well reknowned for it's complete lack of _any_ decent titles. It's also too slow to be of much use in a 32X game. Not to mention that you need a masters in Electrical Engineering to be able to use SegaCD sound at the same time as you use the 32X. The JagCD (As mentioned in Venture Stores flyers) is _much_ better, will be out in December, and has a built-in lightshow that's more entertaining than the entire library of SegaCD titles. Also, if what I've been told about the JagCD is true, you guys are in for a startling revelation in the next few weeks! Heh heh heh! ______________ \hunderbird ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 215 Mon Nov 21, 1994 COCO-SYSOP at 19:05 EST I took a look at the 32X box at the toy shop today. They still have no games, but they were arare of the fact that, if you have an old style Genesis you cannot use the 32X with a TV set (unless you get the modulator which they are not currently carrying, but Toys R Us is - she told me that. Funny. But I guess since there are no TRU stores for 100 miles it's not competition...) Anyway, what's the cart. cover thing for? Odd. I may get a 32X anyway just to top off my Genesis setup, but I am in the process of buying a Jag. The 32X is just way too expensive. I mean, to upgrade my Sega I am looking at $159.95 (their price) plus whatever a game cost, which is about as much as I'm going to be paying for a Jag so...hmmm. Not a difficult choice. (Though I want a 32X down the line anyway...I have a Menecar, too. ;) Allen ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 216 Mon Nov 21, 1994 E.MICHARD at 18:56 CST Come on, Thunderbird, how about a hint as to what this 'startling revelation' about the Jag CD is... ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 217 Mon Nov 21, 1994 K.DRAKE [Sir Fransys] at 20:05 CST Also, from the 32X box, it states that "games on box may be available by Spring '95." :) Sega - Hey, at least we're not Nintendo.. Still Sailing, Sir Fransys ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 218 Mon Nov 21, 1994 T.FINCHER [Tommy] at 21:28 EST Please, this isn't a Jaguar Flame!!!!!! :'0 Don't you hate it when you have a better game machine and GameFan Mag comes all out for the 32X and 32X Doom, but Jag's Doom is so much better. Can you tell who's money is in who's pocket? Even I agree with my Pal T-Bird in this topic. Geez... I's something wrong with me? :') ------------ Category 26, Topic 42 Message 219 Mon Nov 21, 1994 B.PRATT4 [Brain] at 22:28 EST My goodness...Just saw 32Xip Doom... My jaw dropped. After hearing all that was said about how bad this game was, I had talked myself into thinking "It cant be that bad." Belive it, it was worse than I could have ever imagined. 32X Doomed was super low rez, super low color, super big border...super crappy. I was even keeping an open mind (Jaguar colored glasses were off) about it. It was fast, but everything far away was blobs (blocky, colorless blobs at that). Even the score panel at the bottom was hard to read and very dithered. How many colors did they use? There is no comparison to PC doom, itsa facto no comparison to Jag Doom. I am a beliver...32blah is crap. ---Brain @:)--- Sega must be hoping that people who see their doom have never seen DOOM before. "My what will Sega think of next, dear?" ------------