A directory listing for each directory on the cdrom is in \bbs\sf. These listings are in spitfire format. In this directory is a batch file called "all.bat". You can use this batch file to create the same kind of bbs sffiles. listings that are in \bbs\sf, if you don't like the numbers i used for . You can also get the directory names from the all.bat, and match them up with the dirs.txt in the root directory. You can also use the prebuild directory listings in the \bbs\rbbstools directory. (dir.dir, dirc.dir, dirg.dir). [I didn't understand how this was supposed to work...] (is it true that descriptions can't wrap?) -jack