Date: Tue, 20 Apr 93 05:25:40 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #472 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Tue, 20 Apr 93 Volume 16 : Issue 472 Today's Topics: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Biosphere II Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City (4 msgs) Double sonic booms. Last call: S/W wizard position at Tandem (Cupertino CA) Looking for a little research help Looking for a little research help [ addendum] Magellan Update - 04/16/93 Science News article on Federal R&D (2 msgs) Space Debris Space Station radio commercial Stereo Pix of planets? Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? (5 msgs) Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 04:13:00 GMT From: Mitch Subject: *** HELP I NEED SOME ADDRESSES *** Newsgroups: sci.space Hi all, I'm trying to get mailing addresses for the following companies. Specifically, I need addresses for their personnel offices or like bureau. The companies are: - AMROC - Orbital Sciences Corp. (sp?) - Spacehab, Inc. (I know this one is somewhere in Seattle, WA, or at least part of it is.) - Space Industries, Inc. (Somewhere in Houston) - Space Enterprises Inc. If anybody could point me in the right direction on this, I would be most appreciative. I prefer an email response, but I will post a summary if sufficient interest exists. Thanks, Mitch-------------------------------->jmcocker@eos.ncsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1993 23:39:07 -0400 From: Pat Subject: Biosphere II Newsgroups: sci.space In article <19930419.062802.166@almaden.ibm.com> nicho@vnet.ibm.com writes: |In <1q77ku$av6@access.digex.net> Pat writes: |>The Work is privately funded, the DATA belongs to SBV. I don't see |>either george or Fred, scoriating IBM research division for |>not releasing data. | We publish plenty kiddo,you just have to look. Never said you didn't publish, merely that there is data you don't publish, and that no-one scoriates you for those cases. IBM research publishes plenty, it's why you ended up with 2 Nobel prizes in the last 10 years, but that some projects are deemed company confidential. ATT Bell Labs, keeps lots of stuff private, Like Karamankars algorithm. Private moeny is entitled to do what it pleases, within the bounds of Law, and For all the keepers of the temple of SCience, should please shove their pointy little heads up their Conically shaped Posterior Orifices. pat who just read the SA article on Karl Fehrabend(sp???) ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 93 17:49:56 From: Craig Powderkeg DeForest Subject: Cold Gas tanks for Sounding Rockets Newsgroups: sci.space In article <3918@eagle.ukc.ac.uk> rdl1@ukc.ac.uk (R.D.Lorenz) writes: >Does anyone know how to size cold gas roll control thruster tanks >for sounding rockets? Well, first you work out how much cold gas you need, then make the tanks big enough. Our sounding rocket payload, with telemetry, guidance, etc. etc. and a telescope cluster, weighs around 1100 pounds. It uses freon jets for steering and a pulse-width-modulated controller for alignment (ie during our eight minutes in space, the jets are pretty much continuously firing on a ~10% duty cycle or so...). The jets also need to kill residual angular momentum from the spin stabilization, and flip the payload around to look at the Sun. We have two freon tanks, each holding ~5 liters of freon (I'm speaking only from memory of the last flight). The ground crew at WSMR choose how much freon to use based on some black-magic algorithm. They have extra tank modules that just bolt into the payload stack. This should give you an idea of the order of magnitude for cold gas quantity. If you really need to know, send me email and I'll try to get you in touch with our ground crew people. Cheers, Craig -- DON'T DRINK SOAP! DILUTE DILUTE! OK! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 22:26:36 GMT From: "Adam R. Brody " Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Newsgroups: sci.space prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce >May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. >Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? >Anyone want to go? >pat I got something in the mail from AIAA about it. Cost is $75. Speakers include John Pike, Hohn Young, and Ian Pryke. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 23:02:36 GMT From: "S.F. Davis" Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1quule$5re@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: |> |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. |> |> Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? |> |> Anyone want to go? |> |> pat Here are some selected excerpts of the invitation/registration form they sent me. Retyped without permission, all typo's are mine. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Low-Cost Lunar Access: A one-day conference to explore the means and benefits of a rejuvenated human lunar program. Friday, May 7, 1993 Hyatt Regency - Crystal City Hotel Arlington, VA ABOUT THE CONFERENCE The Low-Cost Lunar Access conference will be a forum for the exchange of ideas on how to initiate and structure an affordable human lunar program. Inherent in such low-cost programs is the principle that they be implemented rapidly and meet their objectives within a short time frame. [more deleted] CONFERENCE PROGRAM (Preliminary) In the Washington Room: 9:00 - 9:10 a.m. Opening Remarks Dr. Alan M. Lovelace 9:10 - 9:30 a.m. Keynote Address Mr. Brian Dailey 9:30 - 10:00 a.m. U.S. Policy Outlook John Pike, American Federation of Scientists A discussion of the prospects for the introduction of a new low-cost lunar initiative in view of the uncertain direction the space program is taking. 10:00 - 12:00 noon Morning Plenary Sessions Presentations on architectures, systems, and operational concepts. Emphasis will be on mission approaches that produce significant advancements beyond Apollo yet are judged to be affordable in the present era of severely constrained budgets In the Potomac Room 12:00 - 1:30 p.m. Lunch Guest Speaker: Mr. John W. Young, NASA Special Assistant and former astronaut In the Washington Room 1:30 - 2:00 p.m. International Policy Outlook Ian Pryke (invited) ESA, Washington Office The prevailing situation with respect to international space commitments, with insights into preconditions for European entry into new agreements, as would be required for a cooperative lunar program. 2:00 - 3:30 p.m. Afternoon Plenary Sessions Presentations on scientific objectives, benefits, and applications. Emphasis will be placed on the scientific and technological value of a lunar program and its timeliness. --------------------------------------------------------------------- There is a registration form and the fee is US$75.00. The mail address is American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics Dept. No. 0018 Washington, DC 20073-0018 and the FAX No. is: (202) 646-7508 or it says you can register on-site during the AIAA annual meeting and on Friday morning, May 7, from 7:30-10:30 Sounds interesting. Too bad I can't go. |--------------------------------- ******** -------------------------| | * _!!!!_ * | | Steven Davis * / \ \ * | | daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov * () * | | * \>_db_ Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr19.230236.18227@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, daviss@sweetpea.jsc.nasa.gov (S.F. Davis) writes: > In article <1quule$5re@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: > |> > |> AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce > |> May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. > |> > |> Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? > Here are some selected excerpts of the invitation/registration form they > sent me. Retyped without permission, all typo's are mine. Thanks for typing that in, Steven. Sounds like a "fall back and regroup" strategy session. I wanted to add that my copy of the brochure arrived with a flattering cover letter: "Invitations are being extended to those who have demonstrated a strong committment to space program development and have been influential in its advancement. We sincerely hope you will be able to attend." Wow! I wonder which of my contributions to the conquest of space convinced them to send me this letter? I hope you decide to go, Pat. The Net can use some eyes and ears there... Bill Higgins | If we can put a man on the Moon, why can't Fermilab | we put a man on the Moon? -- Bill Engfer higgins@fnal.fnal.gov | If we can put a man on the Moon, why can't higgins@fnal.Bitnet | we put a woman on the Moon? -- Bill Higgins ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 03:00:12 GMT From: Josh Hopkins Subject: Conference on Manned Lunar Exploration. May 7 Crystal City Newsgroups: sci.space prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes: >AW&ST had a brief blurb on a Manned Lunar Exploration confernce >May 7th at Crystal City Virginia, under the auspices of AIAA. >Does anyone know more about this? How much, to attend???? A good summary has been posted (thanks), but I wanted to add another comment. I remeber reading the comment that General Dynamics was tied into this, in connection with their proposal for an early manned landing. Sorry I don't rember where I heard this, but I'm fairly sure it was somewhere reputable. Anyone else know anything on this angle? Hrumph. They didn't send _me_ anything :( -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu "Find a way or make one." -attributed to Hannibal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:06:41 GMT From: "Carlos G. Niederstrasser" Subject: Double sonic booms. Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space Every time you read about a shuttle landing they mention the double sonic booms. Having taken various relevant classes, I have several ideas of where they come from, but none of them are very convincing. Exactly what causes them? Are they a one time pheneomenon, or a constant one like the supersonic shockwave that is constantly produced by a plane, but you hear only when it goes over you? --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Carlos G. Niederstrasser | Only two things are infinite, | | Princeton Planetary Society | the universe and human | | | stupidity, and I'm not sure | | | about the former. - Einstein | | carlosn@phoenix.princeton.edu |---------------------------------| | space@phoenix.princeton.edu | Ad Astra per Ardua Nostra | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 23:58:04 GMT From: Mike Fleice Subject: Last call: S/W wizard position at Tandem (Cupertino CA) Newsgroups: sci.space Well, we got some responses and are doing some interviews with interesting responders. However, just in case the other posting was overlooked by an incredibly talented person ... Mea Culpa for posting this here for Mike, but we're looking for someone special: Tandem Computers is currently looking for a software wizard to help us architect & implement a fault-tolerant generalized instrumentation subsystem as part of our proprietary operating system kernel (TNS Kernel). The TNS Kernel is a proprietary, loosely-coupled parallel, message-based operating system. The TNS Kernel has wide connectivity to open standards. In this key individual contributor role, you will work with other developers working on various components of the Transaction Management Facility. Your background needs to encompass some of the following 4 categories (3 of 4 would be excellent): Category 1. Math: Working knowledge of statistics, real analysis, as used in experimental physics or chemistry, or in engineering. Category 2. Working knowledge of telemetry issues-- i.e. time series, autocorrelation, and statistical correlation of data streams. Category 3. Integration & Test -- Instrumentation of systems under test, i.e. payloads, flight modules, etc. Category 4: Software Engineering: programming skills, algorithms, and systems software techniques. Please send your resume to Mike Fleice, Tandem Computers 10555 Ridgeview Ct., LOC 100-27, Cupertino, CA 95014-0789; Fax (408) 285-0813; or e-mail fleice_mike@tandem.com ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1993 18:32:46 -0700 From: Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals Subject: Looking for a little research help Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.sci.planetary Hi, I'm writing a science fiction script and I'm looking for some answers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point is an impossible situation. [I checked with a professor at berkeley and his response was a VERY helpful "can't happen".] If you enjoy playing with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions please contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com). I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic facts about computers that I'm determined to be as scientifically accurate as I can. Sorry for being vague, but I'd like to protect my idea as much as I can until I'm ready to sell it (hopefully). Jennise ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1993 18:34:51 -0700 From: Milady Printcap the goddess of peripherals Subject: Looking for a little research help [ addendum] Newsgroups: sci.space,alt.sci.planetary Sorry but I forgot this ps. Right now my sight is getting news about two weeks behind so it's kind of necessary (to me) that any responses be sent to me directly. Thanks a lot Jennise jennise@dgi.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 07:27:06 GMT From: Jurriaan Wittenberg Subject: Magellan Update - 04/16/93 Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary In <19APR199320262420@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: >Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager > > MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT > April 16, 1993 > > >2. Magellan has completed 7225 orbits of Venus and is now 39 days from >the end of Cycle-4 and the start of the Transition Experiment. Sorry I think I missed a bit of info on this Transition Experiment. What is it? >4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and >interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes. Will this mean a loss of data or will the Magellan transmit data later on ?? BTW: When will NASA cut off the connection with Magellan?? Not that I am looking forward to that day but I am just curious. I believe it had something to do with the funding from the goverment (or rather _NO_ funding :-) ok that's it for now. See you guys around, Jurriaan. -- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |----=|=-<- - - - - - JHWITTEN@CS.RUU.NL- - - - - - - - - - - - ->-=|=----| |----=|=-<-Jurriaan Wittenberg- - -Department of ComputerScience->-=|=----| |____/|\_________Utrecht_________________The Netherlands___________/|\____| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:29:42 GMT From: "Charles J. Divine" Subject: Science News article on Federal R&D Newsgroups: sci.space Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article on Federal R&D funding. Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current competitive advantage from things like military and other work that does not have as much commercial utility. -- Chuck Divine ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 93 19:16:50 -0600 From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey Subject: Science News article on Federal R&D Newsgroups: sci.space In article , xrcjd@resolve.gsfc.nasa.gov (Charles J. Divine) writes: > Just a pointer to the article in the current Science News article > on Federal R&D funding. > > Very briefly, all R&D is being shifted to gaining current > competitive advantage from things like military and other work that > does not have as much commercial utility. > -- > Chuck Divine Gulp. [Disclaimer: This opinion is mine and does not represent the views of Fermilab, Universities Research Association, the Department of Energy, or the 49th Ward Regular Science Fiction Organization.] -- O~~* /_) ' / / /_/ ' , , ' ,_ _ \|/ - ~ -~~~~~~~~~~~/_) / / / / / / (_) (_) / / / _\~~~~~~~~~~~zap! / \ (_) (_) / | \ | | Bill Higgins Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory \ / Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET - - Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV ~ SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1993 21:11:42 GMT From: CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON Subject: Space Debris Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.materials > Keesler, Loftus, Potter, Stansbery, Kubriek....? I gues it is Keesler. The others do not ring the bell but they might be involved as well. Sometime ago Keesler was here at Langley teaching a course on space debris and, if my memory does not fai,l I think there was even a reference to a book on the subject. C.O.Egalon@larc.nasa.gov Claudio Oliveira Egalon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:32:23 GMT From: "Charles J. Divine" Subject: Space Station radio commercial Newsgroups: sci.space A brief political/cultural item. Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. Didn't catch the advertiser. Guess they're pulling out all the stops. -- Chuck Divine ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 01:03:26 GMT From: Arthur Chandler Subject: Stereo Pix of planets? Newsgroups: sci.space Can anyone tell me where I might find stereo images of planetary and planetary satellite surfaces? GIFs preferred, but any will do. I'm especially interested in stereos of the surfaces of Phobos, Deimos, Mars and the Moon (in that order). Thanks. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 93 21:05:03 GMT From: nsmca@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net>, gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: > With the continuin talk about the "End of the Space Age" and complaints > by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about > that might just work. > > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin > to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! > > -- > gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) > theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville ==== If that were true, I'd go for it.. I have a few friends who we could pool our resources and do it.. Maybe make it a prize kind of liek the "Solar Car Race" in Australia.. Anybody game for a contest! == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 93 21:09:22 GMT From: nsmca@ACAD3.ALASKA.EDU Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr19.144427.17399@aio.jsc.nasa.gov>, kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: > Gene Wright (gene@theporch.raider.net) wrote: > : Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation > : who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. > : Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin > : to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! > > I'm an advocate of this idea for funding Space Station work, and I > throw around the $1 billion figure for that "reward." I suggest that > you increase the Lunar reward to about $3 billion. > > This would encourage private industry to invest in space, which > should be one of NASA's primary goals. > > -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office > kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368 > > "Better. Faster. Cheaper." -- Daniel S. Goldin, NASA Administrator Also would maybe get the Russians Involved. After all they do have the resources to do it in part.. But they need the capital and the goal.. I wonder if renting the russians resources would be a disqualification? == Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked ------------------------------ Date: 19 Apr 1993 16:55:00 -0700 From: Peter Schaefer Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr19.130503.1@aurora.alaska.edu>, nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes: |> In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net>, gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: |> > With the continuin talk about the "End of the Space Age" and complaints |> > by government over the large cost, why not try something I read about |> > that might just work. |> > |> > Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation |> > who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. |> > Then you'd see some of the inexpensive but not popular technologies begin |> > to be developed. THere'd be a different kind of space race then! |> > |> > -- |> > gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) |> > theporch.raider.net 615/297-7951 The MacInteresteds of Nashville |> ==== |> If that were true, I'd go for it.. I have a few friends who we could pool our |> resources and do it.. Maybe make it a prize kind of liek the "Solar Car Race" |> in Australia.. |> Anybody game for a contest! |> |> == |> Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked Oh gee, a billion dollars! That'd be just about enough to cover the cost of the feasability study! Happy, Happy, JOY! JOY! Peter F. Schaefer ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1993 00:17:57 GMT From: "Gregory N. Bond" Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a year. And with $1B on offer, the problem of "keeping them alive" is highly likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! "Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents." "Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've got a tank! Man the guns!" One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that sort of environment..... Greg. (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk proposition.) -- Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Knox's 386 is slick. Fox in Sox, on Knox's Box Knox's box is very quick. Plays lots of LSL. He's sick! (Apologies to John "Iron Bar" Mackin.) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Apr 93 00:14:28 -0500 From: tffreeba@indyvax.iupui.edu Subject: Why not give $1 billion to first year-long moon residents? Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Apr20.001757.7543@bby.com.au>, gnb@leo.bby.com.au (Gregory N. Bond) writes: > In article <6ZV82B2w165w@theporch.raider.net> gene@theporch.raider.net (Gene Wright) writes: > >> Announce that a reward of $1 billion would go to the first corporation >> who successfully keeps at least 1 person alive on the moon for a >> year. > > And with $1B on offer, the problem of "keeping them alive" is highly > likely to involve more than just the lunar environment! > > "Oh Dear, my freighter just landed on the roof of ACME's base and they > all died. How sad. Gosh, that leaves us as the oldest residents." > > "Quick Boss, the slime from YoyoDyne are back, and this time they've > got a tank! Man the guns!" > > One could imagine all sorts of technologies being developed in that > sort of environment..... > > Greg. > > (I'm kidding, BTW, although the problem of winner-takes-all prizes is > that it encourages all sorts of undesirable behaviour - witness > military procurement programs. And $1b is probably far too small a > reward to encourage what would be a very expensive and high risk > proposition.) > - > Gregory Bond Burdett Buckeridge & Young Ltd Melbourne Australia Hey! My dad has an old hangar and Judy has some old rockets in her attic, let's put on a Lunar program! . . . Sounds good, but . . . Let's play a game - What would be a reasonable reward? What companies would have a reasonable shot at pulling off such a feat? Just where in the budget would the reward come from? Should there be a time limit? Would a straight cash money award be enough or should we throw in say . . . exclusive mining rights for the first fifty years? You get the idea. I'd like to play but I don't have a clue to the answers. Tom Freebairn | He who refuses to understand math | will probably never get his checkbook figured out. ------------------------------ Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.materials From: Farmer Ted Subject: Re: Space Debris Message-Id: <1993Apr19.210931.9281@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> Followup-To: There is this guy at NASA Langley Sender: USENET News System Nntp-Posting-Host: rintintin.colorado.edu Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder References: <1993Apr15.013029.10207@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> <1qpij9INN123@rave.larc.nasa.gov> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 21:09:31 GMT Lines: 14 Source-Info: Sender is really news@CRABAPPLE.SRV.CS.CMU.EDU Source-Info: Sender is really isu@VACATION.VENARI.CS.CMU.EDU > There is this buy at NASA Langley... YES! Give me his name I would greatly appreciate it. Rich "The Earth is a cradle of the mind. But, we cannot live forever in a cradle" K.E. Tsiolkovski Father of Russian Astronautics ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 472 ------------------------------