Date: Thu, 4 Mar 93 05:18:51 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V16 #263 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Thu, 4 Mar 93 Volume 16 : Issue 263 Today's Topics: Access to Isunet Book Computers/AI in Shuttle-SSF Fallen Angels Galileo Earth-Moon Animation Getting people into S God willing, we shall return. Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Spacecraft (2 msgs) How to power the LEO-moon space bus Mars Observer Orbital Elements McElwaine disciplined! (somewhat long) Medicine/EMS/SAR in Space. military aircraft NASP (was Re: Canadian SS Orientation of the shuttle in orbit SOLAR gravity assist? Yup. Spy Sats (Was: Are La (2 msgs) UN Space Agency? Wherner Von Braun and/or the V-2 rocket Why Apollo didn't continue? Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Mar 93 15:49:59 PST From: Ken Hayashida Subject: Access to Isunet To whom it may concern: My name is Ken Hayashida, Jr. and I am a 3rd yr med student at USC School of medicine in Los Angeles California. I am interested in becoming a part of ISUNet, please e-mail me at khayash@hsc.usc.edu with information of how to receive ISUNet msgs and services. Ken ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 93 02:26:01 GMT From: "J. Porter Clark" Subject: Book Computers/AI in Shuttle-SSF Newsgroups: sci.space kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov writes: >: In article : |Actually, I believe the Shuttle program is already using infrared >: |technology for the communications headsets worn inside. >Pat (prb@access.digex.com) wrote: >: I thought the SUits already had a qualified IR system. >: Is the IR system only for the crew area? >I don't recall an IR system on the EMU's. They have 2 UHF radio >channels, but no IR comm. Hmmm.... (Rumaging through training >documents...) No IR Comm. >There is a "floating mike" (pun intended) used inside the Orbiter which >used IR. At first it was a DTO, but it may have been made into a >regular piece of flight hardware by now. The IR system was indeed a development item flown as an experiment, but it hasn't become a regular part of the operational system. We bought a small IR system during SSF advanced development, but it didn't work well. The main drawback I saw to the IR was the much greater battery power required in the mobile unit compared to RF. The obstruction problem was not quite as bad as I had thought it would be but was significant nonetheless. It might be worth revisiting someday. I never saw the Shuttle IR system and never saw any reports on it. It probably worked better; the little system we had was a rather poorly constructed breadboard. There is a floating mike which became part of the operational system, however, and I'm not aware of any connection it has (physically or programmatically) with the IR system, although there obviously might have been. One or two astronauts (can't remember who) insist on the floating mike. The current wireless crew comm system uses UHF frequencies carefully chosen between 350 and 400 MHz. Two channels isn't exactly right, but there are only two audio channels to/from the ground, so that's close. 8-) There was an older (and rather kludgey) wireless system which was used from STS-2 through 51-L; maybe it only had two channels. I can't remember that either. I don't think the EMU's have IR or anything really advanced in the way of comm equipment. They were using UHF radios dating back to the Apollo program last time I looked; they worked somewhere around 250 MHz. There is a new comm system being developed for the Shuttle and SSF, but it too is UHF (TDMA, though!) somewhere between 410-420 MHz. This would be used in the EMU's. A not unrelated factor in all of this is that DoD is forcing (in the nicest possible way 8-) NASA out of the band of UHF frequencies we've used in the past. There is some limited "grandfathering" of the old systems, so it's perhaps not quite as drastic as that. -- J. Porter Clark jpc@avdms8.msfc.nasa.gov or jpc@gaia.msfc.nasa.gov NASA/MSFC Flight Data Systems Branch ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 10:36:00 GMT From: Roland Dobbins Subject: Fallen Angels Newsgroups: sci.space FN> FN>From: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) FN>Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.energy,rec.arts.sf.fandom FN>Subject: Fallen Angels FN>Message-ID: <2001@tnc.UUCP> FN>Date: 25 Feb 93 13:01:26 GMT FN>Reply-To: m0102@tnc.UUCP (FRANK NEY) FN>Followup-To: sci.space FN> FN>In the SF book 'Fallen Angels' by Larry Niven & others, a launch FN>vehicle named PHOENIX was described. In the afterward, it was clai FN>that such a launch vehicle (SSTO/VTOL) could be build for $50M-200M FN> FN>Anyone have information on the design of this critter? FN> FN>The story itself has much to recommend it and I would urge others t FN>read it. It describes the story of two astronauts shot down over t FN>US, after the turn of the century where the greens and the politica FN>(in-)correct have taken over. FN> FN>The astronauts are rescued and returned to their space station (usi FN>PHOENIX prototype) through the efforts of SF Fandom and the SCA. V FN>entertaining and quite thought-provoking. FN> FN>Frank Ney N4ZHG EMT-A NRA ILA GOA CCRTKBA "M-O-U-S-E" FN>Commandant and Acting President, Northern Virginia Free Militia FN>Send e-mail for an application and more information FN>---------------------------------------------------------------- FN>"Whether the authorities be invaders or merely local tyrants, the FN>effect of such [gun] laws is to place the individual at the mercy o FN>the state, unable to resist." FN> - Robert Heinlein, in a 1949 letter concerning "Red Planet" FN>-- FN>The Next Challenge - Public Access Unix in Northern Va. - Washingto FN>703-803-0391 To log in for trial and account info. _Fallen Angels_ is by Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Steven Barnes. Niven and Pournelle have done many many other books together, such as _Footfall_, _The Mote in God's Eye_, _The Gripping Hand_, etc. They also formed the Citizens' Advisory Council on National S[ace Policy, which sold Ronald Reagan on the idea of SDI. Phoenix is the brainchild of Gary Hudson, who appeared as himself in the book. He can be reaced on BIX as "ghudson". --- . Orator V1.13 . [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 01:17:46 GMT From: Leigh Palmer Subject: Galileo Earth-Moon Animation Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary >In article <1993Mar1.174249.24295@sfu.ca>, Leigh Palmer wrote (and then withdrew): >>I couldn't find the combination to display the movie using NIH Image, but >>it opens quite naturally using "Popcorn" under Macintosh Quicktime 1.5. My problem was in using an older version of NIH Image. I couldn't make my puny 8 megabyte RAM Mac IIci display more than 33 frames of the movie using the correct version of Image and throttling back to System 6.0.7. The improvement is that there are 256 gray levels, while Popcorn under Quicktime seems to have eight or sixteen. Those with small RAM capacity should be warned not to try too hard to get the movie running at full grayscale. It is awfully impressive in Quicktime. Leigh ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 10:36:00 GMT From: Roland Dobbins Subject: Getting people into S Newsgroups: sci.space JL>Could that be the vehicle commonly called the flying Bumble Bee, wh JL>clai to fame in the ordinary world is the vehicle that opened the s JL>and each episode of the six million dollar man. If I recall correct JL>was aeronautically considered to be unflyable, but flew anyway and JL>for a while touted as a great instrument for flight to and from low JL>orbit. It finally crashed on descent when it touched down and did a JL>up unfortunately a Helo was in the way and the two collided as the JL>goes. I think That its prototypes and other s are still on display JL>the yearly aeronautical show at Edwards airforce base. As I recall, that particular lifting body was called the HL-10, and it was most certainly _not_ designed *not* to fly . . . . --- . Orator V1.13 . [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 00:50:45 GMT From: Dave Michelson Subject: God willing, we shall return. Newsgroups: sci.space In case anyone was interested, this is the full text of the little speech that Gene Cernan gave just before he climbed up the ladder of the Apollo 17 lunar module for the last time. I haven't left any text out; the ellipses correspond to actual pauses in the monologue. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- This is Gene and I'm on the surface... And as I take man's last steps from the surface, back home... for some time to come, but we believe not too long into the future, I would like to just let... what I believe history will record... that America's challenge of today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the moon and Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and, God willing, as we shall return - with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Michelson University of British Columbia davem@ee.ubc.ca Antenna Laboratory ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 11:24:25 GMT From: mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu Subject: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Spacecraft Newsgroups: sci.space The ZERO/REDUCED-Gravity Chamber described below has obvious potential applications for Chemistry, Biology, Biophysics, Biochemistry, Medical Research, etc., allowing experiments which now can be done ONLY on the Space Shuttle, AT GREAT EXPENSE! Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Air/Spacecraft or ZERO/REDUCED-Gravity Chamber NASA should build an experimental spacecraft based on U.S. Patent #3,626,605 [at least $3.00 per complete copy from U.S. Patent Office, 2021 Jefferson Davis Hwy., Arlington, VA 22202; correct 7-digit patent number required. Or try getting it via your local public or university library's inter-library loan dept..], titled "METHOD AND APPARATUS FOR GENERATING A SECONDARY GRAVITATIONAL FORCE FIELD", awarded to Inventor Henry W. Wallace on Dec. 14, 1971. In the patent, Figs. 7A and 7B are basically side views of a gravity-NEUTRALIZING FLYING SAUCER, or, if anchored to the ground, a ZERO-GRAVITY CHAMBER [which could have MANY possible GROUND-level applications for science, medicine, manufacturing, etc.]. Each oval diagram shows a motor spinning a central disc at a very high speed, about 28,000 RPM, and also rotating two other discs sandwiched around the first disc, via gears, at a much slower speed, perhaps 2,800 RPM, in the opposite direction. The two outer discs have extensions [counter-balanced via off-center axis] that, as they rotate, alternately make contact with two wide extensions from opposite walls of the spacecraft. The central disc should have shallow spiral-shaped grooves on both sides for air-bearings, to allow the needed very close contact with the two outer discs. I should clarify that each of the two outer discs has ONLY ONE [counter-balanced] extension, each one pointed opposite (180 degrees) the extension of the other disc. VERY CLOSE CONTACT must be made as the disc extensions slide past the wall extensions in order to conduct the "Kinemassic" Energy (term coined by the Inventor) from the discs to the walls in an ALTERNATING CIRCULATION. The most important factor making it work is that the discs, extensions, and outer walls of the spacecraft MUST be made of any material(s) in which a very large majority of the atoms are of isotopes having "half integral atomic spin", such as copper (3/2). All other parts, etc., should have a minority of such atoms. [See the appropriate column of the table of isotopes in the latest edition of "The Handbook of Chemistry and Physics."] Experimenters should use one motor to spin the center disc, and a 2ND SEPARATE motor to rotate the two outer discs, so their relative speeds can be varied to establish the needed conditions for PROPULSION of the spacecraft via "NEGATIVE WEIGHT" (with the spacecraft's "Kinemassic" field PUSHING AGAINST the earth's gravitational field, etc.). If we have to put up a space station, establish Moon bases, go to Mars, rendezvous with comets, etc., WHY DO IT THE HARD WAY?! Your favorite university or research company could make a big name for itself by making a small model of this work. UN-altered REPRODUCTION and DISSEMINATION of this IMPORTANT Information is ENCOURAGED. Robert E. McElwaine B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 93 05:03:00 GMT From: INNES MATTHEW Subject: Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Spacecraft Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Mar1.172425.4516@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes: > Gravity-NEUTRALIZING Air/Spacecraft > or ZERO/REDUCED-Gravity Chamber > [description deleted] This thing sounds like my food processor. Whee! Orbital Osterizers! > Robert E. McElwaine > B.S., Physics and Astronomy, UW-EC ^^^^ > This is, of course, B.S. in the non-academic sense. -- Matt Innes ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 93 03:34:36 GMT From: Dave Rickel Subject: How to power the LEO-moon space bus Newsgroups: sci.space In article , henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: |> As far as I know, there's no reason for the Moon to be particularly depleted |> in either. Fluorine, in particular, forms fairly refractory compounds just |> as willingly as oxygen. |> |> However, neither is exactly a common element, so just because the Moon isn't |> unusually poor in these elements doesn't mean it's rich in them. Lithium |> is a moderately rare element on Earth, and fluorine isn't exactly abundant. Further support: my CRC gives 300 ppm (or grams/ton) Fluorine, 65 ppm Lithium in the earth's crust. That should give some indication of how common they'd be on the moon. david rickel drickel@sjc.mentorg.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 1993 00:42 UT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Mars Observer Orbital Elements Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary MARS OBSERVER ORBITAL ELEMENTS March 1, 1993 The following are orbital elements for the Mars Observer spacecraft during its interplanetary cruise, during its initial capture orbit at Mars and during its final mapping orbit at Mars. These orbital elements are predicts generated by the Mars Observer Navigation Team. The actual set of orbital elements achieved by the spacecraft will deviate somewhat. _________________________________________________________________ INTERPLANETARY CRUISE Semi-major axis 197163351.177 km Eccentricity 0.23885397 deg Inclination 1.294 deg Argument of periapsis -173.656 deg Ascending node -177.619 deg Mean anomaly of epoch 110.042 deg Epoch of elements: March 18, 1993 18:53:38.38 Ephemeris Time Coordinate system: Sun-centered, Earth Mean Orbit and Equinox of Epoch J2000 _________________________________________________________________ CAPTURE ORBIT Semi-major axis 42923.941 km Eccentricity 0.907977 deg Inclination 89.000 deg Argument of periapsis 112.990 deg Ascending node -106.453 deg Mean anomaly of epoch -180.000 deg Epoch of elements: August 26, 1993 10:10:52.78 Ephemeris Time Coordinate system: Mars-centered, Mars Mean Equator and IAU Vector of Epoch _________________________________________________________________ MAPPING ORBIT Semi-major axis 3766.159 km Eccentricity 0.004049 deg Inclination 92.869 deg Argument of periapsis -90.0 deg Ascending node 261.590 deg Mean anomaly of epoch 0.000 deg Epoch of elements: December 6, 1993 00:00:00.00 Ephemeris Time Coordinate system: Mars-centered, Mars Mean Equator and IAU Vector of Epoch - end - ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | If you don't stand for /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | something, you'll fall |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | for anything. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 93 01:11:23 GMT From: "Donald H. Locker" Subject: McElwaine disciplined! (somewhat long) Newsgroups: sci.skeptic,sci.space,sci.astro,sci.space.shuttle In article rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard M. Warner) writes: >In article btd@iastate.edu (Benjamin T Dehner) writes: [deletia] >> >> The issue here is not about content, but about volume. McElwaines >>megalithic posted at frequent intervals take up network resources and disk >>space wether or not I read them or kill them. Furthermore, it seems that >> ... > >>Ben > >An additional orthogonal issue to the comments on bandwidth and disk >space is that many folks pay $$$ for their news feeds, and long >irrelevant posts are money down the drain (you cannot select before >downloading). > Unfortunately, the greatest loss of BW and $$$ resides not in McElwaine's silly ``posts,'' but in all the followups that get posted in reaction. Surely all we need is just a simple dismissal for newbies (several lines, perhaps,) but this extended debate IS a waste of my time and machine resources!! Let's just let it DIE. When he stops getting a rise, he likely just go away. Now wouldn't that be pleasant? -- Donald. Speaking only for myself. FREE! Well-behaved, housebroken, .sig file to good home. Contact dhl@msl.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 00:28:23 GMT From: Steve Jenkins Subject: Medicine/EMS/SAR in Space. Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1993Feb20.183336.1@acad3.alaska.edu> nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes: >Question how do you do an IV (Interveneous) in space? What about other gravity >related procedures? Nothing about an IV *requires* gravity; raising the IV bag is just a convenient way to overcome the venous pressure (6 mmHg or so). There are occasions where docs want to place an arterial catheter. Here the pressure is so high that gravity is impractical, so you just pressurize the bag externally using a sleeve much like a blood pressure cuff. The same thing would work for an IV in space. Keeping bubbles out of the line would be a trick.... -- Steve Jenkins jenkins@devvax.jpl.nasa.gov Caltech/Jet Propulsion Laboratory (818) 306-6438 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Mar 93 22:14:52 GMT From: MERLE CHRISTOPHER Subject: military aircraft Newsgroups: sci.space In article <76487@cup.portal.com> BrianT@cup.portal.com (Brian Stuart Thorn) writes: >>The A-12 was intended to replace the aging A-6. It ran into >>management problems, overran budget, and has been cancelled. Aurora >>is the (rumoured only) replacement for the SR-71 Recce aircraft, which >>has (once again, rumoured only) reportedly been flying for a number of >>years now. > > The writer probably confused "Aurora" and "Avenger". However, I'm > not sure that the A-12 Avenger II was even supersonic, much less > designed for Mach 4. > Historical Tidbit: The first plane to receive the designation A-12 was the precursor to the SR-71. the A-12 was operated by the CIA. As for rumoured replacement. The SR-71, the A-12, the F117A were secret for many years before they went public. So it is reasonable to assume that the USA has a replacement. After all the original designs for the SR-71 dated from the late 40's. You decide. Yours in Paranoia Chris -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Christopher Merle | "As God as my witness, I thought turkeys merle@a.cs.okstate.edu | could fly." --Art Carlson -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 10:36:00 GMT From: Roland Dobbins Subject: NASP (was Re: Canadian SS Newsgroups: sci.space CO> CO>From: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) CO>Newsgroups: sci.space CO>Subject: NASP (was Re: Canadian SSF effort ?? ) CO>Date: 20 Feb 1993 19:44:50 GMT CO>Message-ID: <1m61niINNfth@rave.larc.nasa.gov> CO>Reply-To: C.O.EGALON@LARC.NASA.GOV (CLAUDIO OLIVEIRA EGALON) CO> CO>> Aerospace Daily also reports that NASA research CO>> on advanced subsonic and supersonic transport aircraft would CO>> get a big increase under Clinton's budget plan, with $550 CO>> million more programmed in fiscal years 1994-97, and another CO>> $267 million scheduled for FY '98. CO> CO>What about NASP??? CO> CO> Errr . . . that _is_ NASP. It's SSX I'm worried about . . . --- . Orator V1.13 . [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 00:59:36 GMT From: Josh Hopkins Subject: Orientation of the shuttle in orbit Newsgroups: sci.space robijn@rulcvx.LeidenUniv.nl (Frank Robijn) writes: > Recently I tested a computer program that showed a space shuttle in a >circular orbit around the earth. The shuttle was oriented in such a way that >its nose pointed in the same direction as its velocity, just like a plane. >Someone then remarked that this is wrong: according to him the shuttle has a >fixed orientation with respect to the stars, not the earth. I'm not sure >whether that is really the case. Anyone who can help me out? I can't say that he's always wrong, but he usually is. The shuttle flies at different attitudes for different missions. It often flys with the payload bay pointed at Earth so that astronauts and payloads can look down. Sometimes, as with the TSS mission, it flies with the cargo bay pointed up. I believe it also uses a gravitational gradient mode, with the tail pointed at Earth on occasion. This is useful when you don't want to use the thrusters since it's a naturally stable position. The shuttle does fly fixed with respect to the stars when it's trying to observe them, such as during an astronomy mission. However, I'm not aware of any other reason why it would do so. -- Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu You only live once. But if you live it right, once is enough. In memoria, WDH ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 16:24:56 -0600 From: Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey Subject: SOLAR gravity assist? Yup. Newsgroups: sci.space In article , nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes: > In article , Bill Higgins posts an > interesting article about getting a gravity-assist from the sun by > skimming its surface, using the slingshot effect and the fact that the > sun is (of course) in orbit around the system's centre of mass. > > Unfortunately the maximum possible delta-v one can get from such a > manoever (calculated as change in velocity at infinity) is twice the > sun's orbital v, or about 25 m/s. Nick pointed out in e-mail the embarrassing fact that I'd used the wrong radius for the Sun's orbit around the barycenter; for Sun-Jupiter it is 743,000 km, resulting in an orbital speed of 12.5 m/second, so his figure above is correct. Bill Higgins | Sign in window of Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory | Alice's bookstore: Bitnet: HIGGINS@FNAL.BITNET | "EVER READ BANNED BOOKS? Internet: HIGGINS@FNAL.FNAL.GOV | YOU SHOULD!" SPAN/Hepnet: 43011::HIGGINS | Gee, I hope it doesn't become | *compulsory*. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 10:36:00 GMT From: Roland Dobbins Subject: Spy Sats (Was: Are La Newsgroups: sci.space DA>Actually, I thought they had most of the basic stuff down pretty we DA>although some was certainly exaggerated at least a bit. Advanced K DA>are supposed to have "near real time" imaging capability, but that DA>does not translate into the continuous view they portrayed. The BI DA>however was that their operation was at NIGHT, and these satellites DA>placed into sun-synchronous polar orbits to optimize their daylight DA>I do not believe they have a significant nighttime imaging capabili DA> ........ DA>That report has been around a while... DoD's GROUND based tracking DA>were certainly used and perhaps even one of their airborne platform DA>it may just be the press jumping to conclusions to think any satell DA>involved. KH-11 orbits are not all that much higher than the shutt DA>would make an intercept pretty tight, and besides the optics are ob KH-11 is neither the latest nor the greatest "real-time" platform up there. --- . Orator V1.13 . [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 10:36:00 GMT From: Roland Dobbins Subject: Spy Sats (Was: Are La Newsgroups: sci.space DA> DA>Newsgroups: sci.space DA>From: dnadams@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dean Adams) DA>Subject: Re: Spy Sats (Was: Are La DA>Message-ID: <1993Feb23.113753.178@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> DA>Date: Tue, 23 Feb 93 11:37:53 GMT DA> DA>In article <13628.409.uupcb@the-matrix.com> roland.dobbins@the-matr DA>>DA>That report has been around a while... DoD's GROUND based trac DA>>DA>were certainly used and perhaps even one of their airborne plat DA>>DA>it may just be the press jumping to conclusions to think any sa DA>>DA>involved. KH-11 orbits are not all that much higher than the s DA>>DA>would make an intercept pretty tight, and besides the optics ar DA>> DA>>KH-11 is neither the latest nor the greatest "real-time" platform DA>> DA> DA>The ADVANCED KH-11 is... we currently have 2-3 of them up. DA> DA>OR, are you talking about Lacrosse or Aurora? DA> Yes, among others . . . Although those two are primarily ELINT/SIGINT. --- . Orator V1.13 . [Windows Qwk Reader Unregistered Evaluation Copy] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Mar 1993 03:07:19 GMT From: Chong Yean Joo Subject: UN Space Agency? Newsgroups: sci.space The full address is: N. Jasentuliyana Director, United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs Room 3260 New York, NY 10017, U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 20:41:24 GMT From: Grant Young Subject: Wherner Von Braun and/or the V-2 rocket Newsgroups: sci.space Would anyone have any information concerning the scientist Wherner Von Braun and/or the V-2 rocket that he and his team developed during World War 2? If so, could you please send me what you know? Grant Young ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 93 21:55:44 GMT From: "Andres C. Gaeris" Subject: Why Apollo didn't continue? Newsgroups: sci.space Is there any good references about the Apollo Appications Program (AAP) and the lunar exploration followups after Apollo? I read a little about these topics in 'The History of Manned Space Flight', by David Baker, but it could be nice to read a more elaborated reference on the subject. Andres C. Gaeris || "It's better to have bad Niven and/or Pournelle Junior laser fusioneer || books to read that no N and/or P books at all' agae@lle.rochester.edu || ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 16 : Issue 263 ------------------------------