Date: Sat, 5 Dec 92 18:00:49 From: Space Digest maintainer Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu Subject: Space Digest V15 #506 To: Space Digest Readers Precedence: bulk Space Digest Sat, 5 Dec 92 Volume 15 : Issue 506 Today's Topics: Air pressure... Galileo Update - 12/04/92 NASA employement outlook (2 msgs) NASA has 5 hand grenades still on the moon from Apollo missions Pioneer and Voyager messages Pop in space Rush... Rush Limbaugh says ... Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! (6 msgs) Rush Limbaugh sez... Space suit research? Voyager's "message"... What did it *say*?!? (2 msgs) Welcome to the Space Digest!! Please send your messages to "space@isu.isunet.edu", and (un)subscription requests of the form "Subscribe Space " to one of these addresses: listserv@uga (BITNET), rice::boyle (SPAN/NSInet), utadnx::utspan::rice::boyle (THENET), or space-REQUEST@isu.isunet.edu (Internet). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 11:02:07 -0600 From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Air pressure... \Pilots are required to use supplemental oxygen if exceeding 12,500 ft. /for more than 30 minutes. Planes going above 10,000 ft. are required \to provide supplemental oxygen to passengers if no cabin /pressurisation. Personal observation as a pilot : I lose colour \vision above 11000 feet amsl at night; at 17,000 feet my fingernails /turn blue, How can you tell? You lost your color vision 6000 feet earlier... Sorry, couldn't resist... and at 21,000 feet I get euphoric w/o the oxygen mask. I \live at 700 ft amsl, BTW. -- Phil Fraering "...drag them, kicking and screaming, into the Century of the Fruitbat." <<- Terry Pratchett, _Reaper Man_ PGP key available if and when I ever get around to compiling PGP... ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 92 02:23:04 GMT From: Ron Baalke Subject: Galileo Update - 12/04/92 Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.astro,alt.sci.planetary Forwarded from Neal Ausman, Galileo Mission Director GALILEO MISSION DIRECTOR STATUS REPORT POST-LAUNCH November 26 - December 3, 1992 SPACECRAFT 1. During the reporting period, numerous science instrument calibration/characterization activities were performed to take advantage of the high telemetry data rates while close to the Earth. Activities included Magnetometer (MAG) external calibration coil, Scan Actuator Subassembly (SAS) friction test, Near Infrared Mapping Spectrometer (NIMS) and Ultraviolet Spectrometer (UVS) star calibrations, MAG slew test, MAG gradiometer tests, Radiometric calibration, Solid State Imaging (SSI) star calibrations, and a MAG scan platform interference calibration. All calibration/characterization activities were performed nominally and data analysis is in progress. 2. On November 26, a periodic RPM (Retro-Propulsion Module) 10-Newton thruster maintenance activity was performed; 10 of the 12 thrusters were "flushed" during the activity. The P-thrusters were not flushed because they were used to perform SITURN activities on November 30. Spacecraft performance throughout the activity was normal. 3. On November 27, Trajectory Correction Maneuver, TCM-17, memory load was uplinked to the spacecraft without incident. The Energetic Particle Detector (EPD) instrument was stepped to Sector O which is the predicted least contaminated position in preparation for the execution of TCM-17 and returned to Sector 4 after completion of the maneuver. 4. On November 28, real-time commands were sent to change the System Fault Protection (SFP) AACS-INIT (Attitude and Articulation Control Subsystem) pointing slot from the Earth to the Sun prior to the TCM-17 activities. This change allows the spacecraft to return to a sun-pointed attitude if an AACS Power-on Reset (POR) occurs. 5. On November 28, TCM-17 was performed on the spacecraft. The maneuver consisted of one axial and one lateral segment imparting a predicted total delta velocity of 0.03 m/sec. This maneuver was executed at 7.68 kbps (7680 bits/second) with the spacecraft pointed approximately 8 degrees off the sun. The spacecraftUs performance throughout the activity was nominal. All RPM pressures and temperatures and attitude control indicators were near predicted levels. After the axial and lateral burn segments, the sequence planned spin corrections and pointing corrections were not needed. Preliminary radio navigation data indicates a 0.7 percent overburn for the axial segment and a 0.4 percent overburn for the lateral segment. 6. On November 28, the Plasma Detector (PLS) regulator temperature monitor exceeded its preset limit of 35 degrees C by 0.33 degree. This initiated an internal PLS alarm which automatically requested the CDS (Command Data Subsystem - Galileo's main computer) to turn off the PLS supplemental heater. The heater was already off to permit Earth science data collection and remain within safe thermal limits. After consultation with the PLS science team, it was determined that the instrument was thermally safe even though the limit was exceeded. PLS instrument temperature monitoring is continuing. 7. On November 30 and December 1, 2, and 3rd, NO-OP commands were sent to reset the command loss timer to 72 hours, its planned value during this mission phase. 8. On November 30, the spacecraft performed a 11.5 degree SITURN. The purpose of the SITURN was to maintain the spacecraft within plus or minus 10 degrees of the sun at the current solar distance. 9. On November 30, the Relay Radio Hardware (RRH) oscillators No. 1 and 2 were powered on in preparation for the Probe Abbreviated System Functional Test (ASFT) scheduled for December 2, 1992. Shortly after turn on the oscillator temperatures increased to expected values. Also, on December 1, Delayed Action Commands (DACs) were sent to optimize the telecommunications performance for the Probe ASFT. 10. On December 1, a routine sun vector update was performed. This sun vector is valid through December 6, 1992. 11. On December 2, the Probe Abbreviated System Functional Test (ASFT) was performed which consisted of a standard power up and power down with an 11 minute 54 second test to check the battery voltages and to pump out any unwanted argon gas in the Neutral Mass Spectrometer (NMS) instrument. The ASFT sequence was performed nominally. Detailed analysis and test results from Ames and Hughes are forthcoming. 12. On December 3, real-time commands were sent to reconfigure the Energetic Particle Detector (EPD) Composition Measurement System (CMS) telescope to its original pre-calibration state in preparation for the Earth 2 encounter. 13. The AC/DC bus imbalance measurements exhibited some change. The AC measurement has ranged from 16DN to 17DN and now reads 17DN (3.9 volts). The DC measurement has ranged from 138DN (16.2 volts) to 148DN (17.4 volts) and now reads 145DN (17.1 volts). These measurement variations are consistent with the model developed by the AC/DC special anomaly team. 14. The Spacecraft status as of December 3, 1992, is as follows: a) System Power Margin - 68 watts b) Spin Configuration - Dual-Spin c) Spin Rate/Sensor - 3.15 rpm/Star Scanner d) Spacecraft Attitude is approximately 1 degree off-sun (lagging) and 28 degrees off-earth (lagging) e) Downlink telemetry rate/antenna-115.2kbps (coded)/LGA-1 f) General Thermal Control - all temperatures within acceptable range g) RPM Tank Pressures - all within acceptable range h) Orbiter Science- PWS, PLS, UVS, EPD, MAG, SSI, PPR, NIMS, HIC and DDS are powered on i) Probe/RRH - powered off, temperatures within acceptable range j) CMD Loss Timer Setting - 72 hours Time To Initiation - 70 hours UPLINK GENERATION/COMMAND REVIEW AND APPROVAL: 1. The Dual Drive Actuator (DDA-5) sequence memory load was approved for generation by the Project on December 1, 1992. This sequence covers High Gain Antenna (HGA) motor hammering activities from December 28, 1992 through January 19, 1993. 2. The EE-11 (Earth-Earth 11) Final Sequence and Command Generation package was approved by the Project on December 1, 1992. This sequence covers spacecraft activities from December 7, 1992 to December 28, 1992 and includes the Earth 2 closest approach on December 8. Part 1 of the EE-11 sequence memory load is scheduled to be uplinked on December 4, 1992, and Part 2 on December 7, 1992. TRAJECTORY As of noon Thursday, December 3, 1992, the Galileo Spacecraft trajectory status was as follows: Distance from Earth 3,838,200 km (.03 AU) Distance from Sun 150,792,300 km (1.01 AU) Heliocentric Speed 124,800 km per hour Distance from Jupiter 877,097,100 km Round Trip Light Time 0 minutes, 24 seconds SPECIAL TOPIC 1. As of December 3, 1992, a total of 8712 real-time commands have been transmitted to Galileo since Launch. Of these, 3681 were initiated in the sequence design process and 5031 initiated in the real-time command process. In the past week, 13 real time commands were transmitted: 6 were initiated in the sequence design process and 7 initiated in the real time command process. Major command activities this week included commands to uplink the TCM-17 stored sequence memory load, update SFP pointing slot, reset the command Loss timer, turn ranging off, and reconfigure the EPD. 2. Training for the Earth 2 closest approach operations was successfully completed with a "walkthrough" of the final SOE on December 1. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | The 3 things that children /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | find the most fascinating: |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | space, dinosaurs and ghosts. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 15:52:34 GMT From: Mary Shafer Subject: NASA employement outlook Newsgroups: sci.space On 4 Dec 92 10:21:43 GMT, EAIESEC2%BMSUEM11.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU said: C> Is there everyone who knows the conditions under which a belgian aeronautic C> engineer can aplicate to NASA ? C> What jobs can he involve? There are absolutely no conditions under which a foreign national can work for NASA or any agency of the US gov't. A green card is the absolute minimum and even then, it's not straightforward. Quite a bit of our work, particularly on joint programs with the Department of Defense, is NOFORN, for example. (NOFORN = no foreign access). Besides, we're in a hiring freeze right now. However, foreign national, particularly students, can be affiliated with NASA through various research institutes. This includes the NSF. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 92 17:00:26 GMT From: "Peter J. Scott" Subject: NASA employement outlook Newsgroups: sci.space In article , shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: > On 4 Dec 92 10:21:43 GMT, EAIESEC2%BMSUEM11.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU said: > > C> Is there everyone who knows the conditions under which a belgian aeronautic > C> engineer can aplicate to NASA ? > C> What jobs can he involve? > > There are absolutely no conditions under which a foreign national can > work for NASA or any agency of the US gov't. A green card is the > absolute minimum and even then, it's not straightforward. Quite a bit > of our work, particularly on joint programs with the Department of > Defense, is NOFORN, for example. (NOFORN = no foreign access). > > Besides, we're in a hiring freeze right now. > > However, foreign national, particularly students, can be affiliated > with NASA through various research institutes. This includes the NSF. JPL is one of these exceptions (no doubt because we're Caltech, not NASA). We might well be in a hiring freeze also for all I know. Anyone who wants an application form for employment can request one from the recruitment office here at 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109 (NOT me). -- This is news. This is your | Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech brain on news. Any questions? | (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 18:22:45 EST From: John Roberts Subject: NASA has 5 hand grenades still on the moon from Apollo missions -From: gary@ke4zv.uucp (Gary Coffman) -Subject: Re: NASA has 5 hand grenades still on the moon from Apollo missions -Date: 3 Dec 92 00:07:01 GMT -Organization: Gannett Technologies Group -In article <1992Dec1.195722.4304@memstvx1.memst.edu> kebarnes@memstvx1.memst.edu writes: -> ->Ordinary firearms wouldn't work in a vacuum anyhow. ->The gunpowder couldn't burn. -Oh please. The KNO3 in black powder is the oxidizer. Smokeless -powders use nitrocellulose, nitroglycerin, or both (called double -base). They dissociate exothermally without external oxygen. If you -examine a cartridge, even casually, you'll note that there is no -opening for oxygen to enter. True. However, to amplify on my earlier post concerning powder ignition *in vacuum*, here's an actual reference: ........... "...a mixture of sulphur and saltpetre only ignites at 470 degrees, whereas one of charcoal and saltpetre ignites with some difficulty at 320 degrees. The triple mixture of saltpetre, sulphur and charcoal, however, ignites at 290 to 300 degrees, and when burning once starts it increases rapidly and assumes explosive violence. Hofmann ascribes this to a complicated series of chemical changes taking place in the gaseous phase due to the transient formation of nitric oxide and sulphuretted hydrogen. Sulphur, in fact, acts as a chemical catalyst, the following being some of the reactions:- 2KNO3 + S = K2SO4 + 2NO 4K2SO4 + 7C = 2K2CO3 + 2K2S2 + 5C02 4K2CO3 + 7S = K2SO4 + 3K2S2 + 4CO2 The potassium sulphide is partly oxidized to sulphate regenerating some sulphur. The important part played by the gas phase in the ignition is proved by the fact that *in vacuo* it is almost impossible to fire gunpowder." ---------------------------------------------------- - "Explosives: Their History, Manufacture, Properties and Tests", by Arthur Marshall (formerly Chemical Inspector, Indian Ordnance Department), J. & A. Churchill, London, 1932, Second edition, Volume III, p. 13. ........... I can't find a similar statement concerning smokeless powders, but there is a graph for several of the smokeless powders of the day, showing combustion rate as a function of ambient pressure, and it appears to show combustion rate approaching zero as ambient pressure approaches zero. And of course none of this means that a modern gun won't fire in vacuum, since the powder is confined. (And the primer charge is sufficient to initiate combustion.) -In fact, most firearms work underwater -if they have a sufficiently strong firing pin spring. Glock will -supply such a spring on request. I imagine they'll also sell new metal parts if the user forgets to dry and oil the gun after such use. :-) What are the characteristics of a handgun fired underwater? How far does the bullet go? And how long does it take for water to get into the cartridges (say at a meter or two depth)? John Roberts roberts@cmr.ncsl.nist.gov ------------------------------ Date: 04 Dec 1992 15:15:09 -0600 (CST) From: HAIRSTON%UTDSSA.DECNET@relay.the.net Subject: Pioneer and Voyager messages For folks interested in trying to deciper the Pioneer plaques and the Voyager records, check your library or used book store for "Murmurs of Earth" by Carl Sagan et al. Essentially it's a first-hand account of the designing of these messages, plus the bureaucratic hassles they went through to get them onto the spacecraft. **Ad Astra Per Bureaucracia** On a related note, Dave Barry once pointed out in a column (since reprinted in his book "Bad Habits") that the most likely lifeform to ever find these messages would be the interstellar equivalent of some back-country highway patrol officers. He envisions one of them saying: "Looks like what we have here is a hydrogen-sniffin' perverted species who force their women to run around nekkid and probably say 'billions' a lot. Whadda say we go wipe 'em out and then ooze over to the diner for some lunch?" Marc Hairston--Center for Space Science--Univ of Texas at Dallas ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 92 16:44:14 GMT From: "Peter J. Scott" Subject: Pop in space Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec4.115140.7908@syma.sussex.ac.uk>, torh@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Tor Houghton) writes: > I don't know - didn't Coke or Pepsi device special cans for the Space > Shuttle crew? :) Yes, and you can see the Coke device in the Coca-Cola museum in Atlanta, GA. I know it's a tad far for you to go, but some of our other readers might be nearby. -- This is news. This is your | Peter Scott, NASA/JPL/Caltech brain on news. Any questions? | (pjs@euclid.jpl.nasa.gov) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 11:04:09 -0600 From: pgf@srl02.cacs.usl.edu (Phil G. Fraering) Subject: Rush... \Because nobody takes him seriously. He's just a nut mouthing off. Actually I think he was joking... -- Phil Fraering "...drag them, kicking and screaming, into the Century of the Fruitbat." <<- Terry Pratchett, _Reaper Man_ PGP key available if and when I ever get around to compiling PGP... ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 92 15:07:35 GMT From: Thomas Clarke Subject: Rush Limbaugh says ... Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec3.223740.1@stsci.edu> zellner@stsci.edu writes: > > The popular American radio personality Rush Limbaugh stated today that > > the problems with HSTs mirror are a Department of Defense hoax. He says > > that the DoD took over control of the HST program ... > Rush Blimpbaugh has been listening to his friend Dan Quayle too much! -- Thomas Clarke Institute for Simulation and Training, University of Central FL 12424 Research Parkway, Suite 300, Orlando, FL 32826 (407)658-5030, FAX: (407)658-5059, clarke@acme.ucf.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 92 14:27:21 GMT From: Dean Adams Subject: Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! Newsgroups: sci.space >The popular American radio personality Rush Limbaugh "popular"? That doesn't say too much for the population... :-> >stated today that the problems with HSTs mirror are a Department of >Defense hoax. Oh, brother! What a load of bull... >He says that the DoD took over control of the HST program Hmmm... I guess the folks at STSI were a little miffed about that, eh? :-> I wonder just WHO has been discovering these black holes and other things recently? DoD must have some pretty good astronomers working for 'em (NOT). >so they could study a strange radio source that could possibly be another >civilization's radio emmisions. And that the DoD cooked up the story of >the faulted mirror to cover up there actions. Pretty silly. It also shows how totally ignorant this guy is if he thinks that HST can study "radio emissions". Not even an unflawed mirror would do any good for that purpose. Besides, if there was an unusual radio source that someone wanted checked out at optical wavelengths, it would certainly not require DoD to "take over control" to do it. >Rush has over 13 million listeners and has may connections into the >goings ons of many behind-the-scenes happenings. Apparently not. >I don't think that he would make such a statment without a >reason to believe it is true. This guy is a lunatic! He "believes" all kinds of ridiculous nonsense. >This is a rather radical statement. Considering the *source*, i'd say that is a perfect description. :-> >there is a repair mission due next year and an instrument will be >replaced with COSTAR to correct the mirrir flaw. And what about the >investigations into the contractor who made the mirror? Was NASA wsting >it's time!? This can't be and with 13 million listeners how come nobody >else said anything about this?? Because nobody takes him seriously. He's just a nut mouthing off. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 16:40:01 GMT From: Nick Haines Subject: Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! Newsgroups: sci.space To summarize the dozens of future postings I expect on this subject: (a) HST is a visible and near-visible platform. I don't think it has any radio-frequency instruments. Whatever the DoD might want to look at with Hubble, it won't be a `radar source'. It might be whatever is associated with such a source at visible frequencies. (b) HST is being used constantly by scientists. One can book time on it, and its time is fully (and publicly) booked. OK, so the pictures aren't perfect, but if the rumour were true why would the DoD make up a cover story like "the mirror's imperfect but useable" (which would not enable them to get any time on HST but only better resolution than the astronomers) rather than "the mirror's completely broken" (which would enable them to have HST entirely to themselves)? So (from (a) and (b)), if this rumour is true, the DoD are studying at visible frequencies something from which they detected ET radio signals, and which civilian astronomers are also studying at visible frequencies... any candidate objects? And a further kicker is this: (c) Could the DoD successfully keep the lid on a `signals from ET' story? As far as we know they don't have a SETI of their own (why would they have a `black' SETI?), so any such signal would first pass through the hands of a bunch of civilian astronomers, and I think it would leak. This rumour was clearly made up by somebody who knows almost nothing about HST or astronomy, who is confusing the `HST mirror' story with the `NASA SETI' story, and mixing in a bit of the `DoD aliens cover-up' story. They probably also believe in Majestic-12, alien cattle mutilations, and alien corpses in deep-freezes at Wright-Patterson AFB. In short, it's complete bullshit. Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 16:23:52 GMT From: Brad Whitehurst Subject: Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! Newsgroups: sci.space In article <1992Dec4.013831.2563@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) writes: > > >The popular American radio personality Rush Limbaugh stated today that the >problems with HSTs mirror are a Department of Defense hoax. He says that >the DoD took over control of the HST program so they could study a strange >radio source that could possibly be another civilization's radio >emmisions. And that the DoD cooked up the story of the faulted mirror to >cover up there actions. >Rush has over 13 million listeners and has may connections into the goings >ons of many behind-the-scenes happenings. I don't think that he would make >such a statment without a reason to believe it is true. >Could some NASA insiders shed some light on this!? This is a rather >radical statement. I have followed the developments closely enough to know >that there is a repair mission due next year and an instrument will be >replaced with COSTAR to correct the mirrir flaw. And what about the >investigations into the contractor who made the mirror? Was NASA wsting >it's time!? This can't be and with 13 million listeners how come nobody >else said anything about this?? > > -- Ryan Korniloff Because a) Limbaugh is a publicity hound of the first order, and b) AT A MINIMUM there are at least 13 million fools in this country! His listenership in the scientifically educated population is likely significantly lower than in the non- ! Besides, everybody likes a good conspiracy theory...NOT! -- Brad Whitehurst | Aerospace Research Lab rbw3q@Virginia.EDU | We like it hot...and fast. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 17:17:36 GMT From: James Davis Nicoll Subject: Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! Newsgroups: sci.space I wonder if Linbaugh's little pronouncement bears more similarity to Adamski's saucers or Menken's bathtub? James Nicoll ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 07:56:24 PST From: Jim Bowery Subject: Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! Newsgroups: sci.space rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) writes: > The popular American radio personality Rush Limbaugh stated today that the > problems with HSTs mirror are a Department of Defense hoax. He says that > the DoD took over control of the HST program so they could study a strange > radio source that could possibly be another civilization's radio > emmisions. And that the DoD cooked up the story of the faulted mirror to > cover up there actions. > Rush has over 13 million listeners and has may connections into the goings > ons of many behind-the-scenes happenings. I don't think that he would make > such a statment without a reason to believe it is true. > Could some NASA insiders shed some light on this!? This is a rather > radical statement. I have followed the developments closely enough to know This is consistent with other information pulses that have come out of "spooky" sources in the past. Sometimes "radical" information will come out of a very credible/influential source and provide a discontinuity which propogates through the culture. By watching how it propogates, it is possible to learn a lot about how critical information flows or is ignored/suppressed in the culture. That this sort of metainformation would be of interest to certain groups should be obvious. However, the frequency with which some of these sources (such as the NYT's Howard Blum) have recently begun using the "extraterrestrial" angle on these pulses is consistent with some sort of conditioning. As I said in here about a year ago -- don't be surprised if some sort of "extraterrestrial" encounter occurs very publically during a time of crisis -- and retain skeptical posture if it does. -- INTERNET: jim@netlink.cts.com (Jim Bowery) UUCP: ...!ryptyde!netlink!jim NetLink Online Communications * Public Access in San Diego, CA (619) 453-1115 ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 92 16:40:10 GMT From: "John F. Woods" Subject: Rush Limbaugh says problems with HST are a DoD hoax! Newsgroups: sci.space rkornilo@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ryan Korniloff) writes: >The popular American radio personality Rush Limbaugh stated today that the >problems with HSTs mirror are a Department of Defense hoax. He says that >the DoD took over control of the HST program so they could study a strange >radio source that could possibly be another civilization's radio >emmisions. And that the DoD cooked up the story of the faulted mirror to >cover up there actions. >Rush has over 13 million listeners and has may connections into the goings >ons of many behind-the-scenes happenings. I don't think that he would make >such a statment without a reason to believe it is true. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! This has to be the funniest article I have read on USENET in years. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Dec 92 17:24:03 EST From: Tom <18084TM@msu.edu> Subject: Rush Limbaugh sez... >> Rush Limbaugh said [Dod using hubble to image radio-emitting ET's] >There is no law against telling a lie on radio, television, or in the news- >papers. That's called freedom of the press. But there ARE laws against >calling someone a liar in public. That's called libel or slander. Yes, this was the source for the rumor I'd heard. For the record, Limbaugh had neither a reference or a judgement regarding the truth of this rumor. He didn't say it was so, he identified it as a rumor. I'd like to learn where he heard it, though. How does that person know? >Not that I know anything specific about this, but how in the world >would you use a _light_ telescope to look at _radio_ waves? ... >There's no way that the frequencies of interest could be imaged with >a telescope--visible light and radio have vastly different ranges. ... >You can't see radio waves, can you? How would Hubble do so? No, you can't see radio waves, but maybe you can see the thing that is emitting radio waves. Many traditional radio astronomy sources would have been pretty confusing if they didn't have an optical/IR/UV or some other component. The Crab Pulsar and active galctic nuclei come to mind... -Tommy Mac -----------------------------============================================ Tom McWilliams | What a tangled web we weave, when at ". | 18084tm@ibm.cl.msu.edu | , .first we .practice .*' .| (517) 355-2178 -or- 353-2986| '. ' . . to decieve , | a scrub Astronomy undergrad | After that, the , + | at Michigan State University| improvement is tremendous! '. , .' | ------------------------------=========================================== ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 1992 09:55:34 GMT From: "Dr.Savory" Subject: Space suit research? Newsgroups: sci.space Pilots are required to use supplemental oxygen if exceeding 12,500 ft. for more than 30 minutes. Planes going above 10,000 ft. are required to provide supplemental oxygen to passengers if no cabin pressurisation. Personal observation as a pilot : I lose colour vision above 11000 feet amsl at night; at 17,000 feet my fingernails turn blue, and at 21,000 feet I get euphoric w/o the oxygen mask. I live at 700 ft amsl, BTW. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1992 15:48:25 GMT From: Edmund Hack Subject: Voyager's "message"... What did it *say*?!? Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space rick@ee.uwm.edu (Rick Miller, Linux Device Registrar) writes: > >Does anyone know (or know who knows, or where to find out) what the heck >the "message" on Voyager's gold plate was supposed to 'mean'? In case I'm >naming the wrong vehicle, I'm talking about a rectangular plate on which >is inscribed a man, a woman, a simplification of the vehicle itself, a >chart of our solar system showing the vehicle's flight-plan, and a couple >other things. Johnny Carson reported a while after the probes went out (with the records (and a cartridge to play themone each probe)) that an answer had c ome back from space: "Send more Chuck Berry!" -- Edmund Hack - Lockheed Engineering & Sciences Co. - Houston, TX hack@aio.jsc.nasa.gov - I speak only for myself, unless blah, blah.. "You know, I think we're all Bozos on this bus." "Detail Dress Circuits" "Belt: Above A, Below B" "Close B ClothesMode" ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 92 18:49:02 GMT From: Mary Shafer Subject: Voyager's "message"... What did it *say*?!? Newsgroups: sci.astro,sci.space On Fri, 4 Dec 1992 15:48:25 GMT, hack@arabia.uucp (Edmund Hack) said: EH> Johnny Carson reported a while after the probes went out (with the EH> records (and a cartridge to play themone each probe)) that an answer had c EH> ome back from space: EH> "Send more Chuck Berry!" It wasn't Johnny Carson, it was Saturday Night Live (Dan Ackroyd, I think.) I don't watch Johnny, but I do watch SNL. -- Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA "A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot ------------------------------ End of Space Digest Volume 15 : Issue 506 ------------------------------