Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sat, 22 Jun 91 03:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 22 Jun 91 03:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #679 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 679 Today's Topics: NASA Prediction Bulletins, Part 1 Re: Bootstrapping (Was: Re: S.E.T.I. Who can give me any reasons ...) Re: Summary of 5/20 Space News (Fred Funding) Re: Extra Terrestrial Intelligence Re: Moonbase movie *Plymouth* to air Sunday? Re: Rational next station design process Re: New launch dates? Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jun 91 13:11:38 GMT From: udecc.engr.udayton.edu!blackbird.afit.af.mil!tkelso@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (TS Kelso) Subject: NASA Prediction Bulletins, Part 1 The most current orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated several times weekly. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space. This week's elements are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. - Current NASA Prediction Bulletins #850a - Alouette 1 1 00424U 62B-A 1 91148.91361389 .00000221 00000-0 25410-3 0 4268 2 00424 80.4645 305.1906 0023977 103.1563 257.2257 13.67533139429949 ATS 3 1 03029U 67111 A 91139.68522137 -.00000076 00000-0 99999-4 0 5806 2 03029 13.6124 18.3200 0015622 224.3095 135.5162 1.00272858 86165 Cosmos 398 1 04966U 71 16 A 91150.77174683 .00084295 20050-4 40103-3 0 6402 2 04966 51.4869 47.2267 2017374 112.4653 270.1696 11.61597279630989 Starlette 1 07646U 75010 A 91141.37853229 -.00000020 00000-0 31469-4 0 2758 2 07646 49.8299 264.0333 0206527 227.8725 130.4452 13.82157906822555 LAGEOS 1 08820U 76039 A 91148.39260849 .00000004 00000-0 99999-4 0 2814 2 08820 109.8337 113.3858 0044254 165.0122 195.1543 6.38664226 95988 GOES 2 1 10061U 77048 A 91134.70441287 -.00000247 00000-0 99999-4 0 6243 2 10061 9.0733 58.4995 0106862 36.0864 325.2337 1.00221521 52334 IUE 1 10637U 78012 A 91144.77543581 -.00000178 00000-0 79862-4 0 2798 2 10637 32.8395 113.3426 1398809 2.6554 357.9057 1.00275780 9891 GPS-0001 1 10684U 78020 A 91144.98668751 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 6804 2 10684 63.8876 78.9938 0126060 198.5322 160.9850 2.00553350 82707 GPS-0002 1 10893U 78 47 A 91145.99013682 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 3914 2 10893 64.2235 319.7912 0172787 24.0819 336.7167 2.00533185 95546 GOES 3 1 10953U 78062 A 91140.99384292 .00000115 00000-0 99999-4 0 1316 2 10953 7.7538 62.2597 0005052 97.2213 262.6941 1.00297306 465 SeaSat 1 1 10967U 78064 A 91149.37930131 .00001022 00000-0 38883-3 0 5498 2 10967 108.0100 315.0925 0002700 233.2593 126.8297 14.36648796676150 GPS-0003 1 11054U 78093 A 91144.72666051 -.00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 4346 2 11054 63.6675 315.8847 0065324 118.5958 242.0940 2.00571948 92535 Nimbus 7 1 11080U 78098 A 91142.71026791 .00000142 00000-0 15749-3 0 7783 2 11080 99.1737 44.5447 0008257 257.9194 102.1030 13.83554448634987 GPS-0004 1 11141U 78112 A 91146.35506335 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 1903 2 11141 63.8850 78.8144 0061412 311.1476 48.2974 2.00543917 91262 GPS-0005 1 11690U 80 11 A 91144.99492322 .00000005 00000-0 99999-4 0 1846 2 11690 64.3698 81.1486 0125093 203.2522 156.1674 2.00551740 97098 GPS-0006 1 11783U 80 32 A 91147.78962673 -.00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 4811 2 11783 63.2665 315.4164 0192128 28.9136 332.1234 2.03456610 81246 GOES 5 1 12472U 81049 A 91149.90565714 .00000139 00000-0 99999-4 0 1353 2 12472 4.3263 71.4529 0003572 355.0622 4.5949 1.00273664 35709 Cosmos 1383 1 13301U 82 66 A 91145.21366750 .00000151 00000-0 16544-3 0 7314 2 13301 82.9303 50.0981 0027123 302.5130 57.3399 13.67921646444437 LandSat 4 1 13367U 82 72 A 91150.17699941 .00000796 00000-0 18639-3 0 8138 2 13367 98.1144 209.9262 0004276 114.4493 245.7157 14.57154079471831 IRAS 1 13777U 83 4 A 91149.03525090 .00000007 00000-0 17038-4 0 9831 2 13777 99.0131 345.2330 0012941 150.1389 210.0535 13.98946820 95295 Cosmos 1447 1 13916U 83 21 A 91144.99633942 .00000142 00000-0 13930-3 0 8285 2 13916 82.9465 119.3795 0036516 269.4091 90.2878 13.74147106409611 TDRS 1 1 13969U 83 26 B 91149.96155252 .00000128 00000-0 99999-4 0 3945 2 13969 5.3099 62.6804 0003338 15.5734 344.1744 1.00278197 2828 GOES 6 1 14050U 83 41 A 91149.89552145 .00000118 00000-0 99999-4 0 4836 2 14050 3.0915 74.0376 0003746 262.5242 96.9210 1.00261358 1611 OSCAR 10 1 14129U 83 58 B 91138.10904151 -.00000109 00000-0 99998-4 0 6743 2 14129 25.8164 145.1928 6022329 242.7457 44.6724 2.05885438 31622 GPS-0008 1 14189U 83 72 A 91144.22025768 .00000002 00000-0 99999-4 0 9771 2 14189 63.5426 77.1744 0142615 225.7685 133.0315 2.00567950 57603 LandSat 5 1 14780U 84 21 A 91149.66461435 .00000428 00000-0 99999-4 0 6691 2 14780 98.2420 210.3752 0003506 26.7503 333.3910 14.57098960385179 UoSat 2 1 14781U 84 21 B 91149.53611170 .00001732 00000-0 31735-3 0 226 2 14781 97.8994 195.0559 0011485 224.8537 135.1715 14.66943980386711 GPS-0009 1 15039U 84 59 A 91144.89276290 .00000002 00000-0 99999-4 0 2327 2 15039 63.2936 76.2554 0029387 226.5383 133.1914 2.00564905 50891 Cosmos 1574 1 15055U 84 62 A 91149.54871007 .00000122 00000-0 11854-3 0 855 2 15055 82.9595 166.9742 0029276 78.7127 281.7316 13.73457809347615 GPS-0010 1 15271U 84 97 A 91148.82671689 -.00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 818 2 15271 63.0265 314.6600 0113171 333.2409 26.1594 2.00565450 48082 Cosmos 1602 1 15331U 84105 A 91150.11959313 .00002617 00000-0 33679-3 0 6049 2 15331 82.5393 38.8810 0020204 279.5415 80.3538 14.80623151359379 NOAA 9 1 15427U 84123 A 91145.26610746 .00000385 00000-0 22783-3 0 7831 2 15427 99.1696 158.2326 0015941 126.3157 233.9483 14.13007371332280 GPS-0011 1 16129U 85 93 A 91145.05573019 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 7781 2 16129 64.0609 77.5163 0123340 146.9888 213.7631 2.00564797 41213 Mir 1 16609U 86 17 A 91150.54126937 .00046228 00000-0 42572-3 0 4986 2 16609 51.6067 16.6263 0005198 247.8492 112.2228 15.67151296302402 SPOT 1 1 16613U 86 19 A 91149.73930384 .00000504 00000-0 25425-3 0 3479 2 16613 98.6954 223.9991 0000554 354.1020 6.0147 14.20032947113111 Cosmos 1766 1 16881U 86 55 A 91147.87746655 .00002822 00000-0 37023-3 0 4478 2 16881 82.5199 99.6334 0019643 307.5340 52.4063 14.79864506260085 EGP 1 16908U 86 61 A 91139.84078424 -.00000029 00000-0 72116-4 0 3734 2 16908 50.0149 301.0350 0011234 332.9506 27.0745 12.44395120216775 NOAA 10 1 16969U 86 73 A 91148.45360284 .00000629 00000-0 28930-3 0 6326 2 16969 98.5672 173.1598 0013507 351.1310 8.9628 14.24139690243746 MOS-1 1 17527U 87 18 A 91149.16763824 .00000581 00000-0 45717-3 0 8559 2 17527 99.0689 221.5883 0000684 97.4325 262.6894 13.94904160217499 GOES 7 1 17561U 87 22 A 91149.61284969 -.00000048 00000-0 99999-4 0 8405 2 17561 0.0577 63.6441 0001988 303.3537 353.0023 1.00272203 345 Kvant-1 1 17845U 87 30 A 91150.79632108 .00057548 00000-0 52788-3 0 6107 2 17845 51.6072 15.3322 0005153 250.4759 109.4941 15.67155642237170 DMSP B5D2-3 1 18123U 87 53 A 91149.78621324 .00000612 00000-0 33783-3 0 59 2 18123 98.8101 340.7622 0015434 115.1209 245.1568 14.14598669203395 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87 54 A 91149.82983392 -.00000169 00000-0 -19176-3 0 6614 2 18129 82.9270 72.4242 0010420 234.2869 125.7283 13.72187770197078 Meteor 2-16 1 18312U 87 68 A 91149.69246151 .00000237 00000-0 20458-3 0 6881 2 18312 82.5566 15.6459 0013285 6.8257 353.3077 13.83798330190908 Meteor 2-17 1 18820U 88 5 A 91149.82209274 .00000225 00000-0 19125-3 0 5343 2 18820 82.5428 74.8924 0018444 70.3446 289.9698 13.84487784168144 DMSP B5D2-4 1 18822U 88 6 A 91149.81663025 .00000505 00000-0 24513-3 0 9042 2 18822 98.5976 25.8650 0006830 358.7242 1.3916 14.22028383172071 Glonass 34 1 19163U 88 43 A 91149.45943850 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 3181 2 19163 64.9189 147.6113 0007193 204.6767 155.2908 2.13102410 23520 Glonass 36 1 19165U 88 43 C 91149.51622567 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 3178 2 19165 64.9012 147.6072 0005367 317.8566 42.1099 2.13102810 23525 AO-13 1 19216U 88 51 B 91142.28184158 -.00000009 00000-0 86587-3 0 2737 2 19216 56.7554 93.3586 7180206 254.9958 21.7456 2.09701594 22515 OKEAN 1 1 19274U 88 56 A 91149.59184921 .00002245 00000-0 29947-3 0 1521 2 19274 82.5290 196.8275 0023743 70.8954 289.4778 14.79034969156088 Meteor 3-2 1 19336U 88 64 A 91148.72708209 .00000027 00000-0 57234-4 0 7864 2 19336 82.5444 32.9641 0016933 166.0413 194.1181 13.16924150136433 Glonass 39 1 19503U 88 85 C 91149.53627577 -.00000018 00000-0 99999-4 0 2210 2 19503 65.4799 26.8996 0004395 182.1286 177.9314 2.13103422 21013 NOAA 11 1 19531U 88 89 A 91148.79385799 .00000444 00000-0 26260-3 0 5360 2 19531 99.0286 103.4327 0012635 34.6771 325.5247 14.12153351137735 TDRS 2 1 19548U 88 91 B 91145.80898201 .00000112 00000-0 99999-4 0 2748 2 19548 0.9671 79.8503 0002258 351.2725 288.5285 1.00270195 8355 Glonass 40 1 19749U 89 1 A 91148.16986195 .00000019 00000-0 99999-4 0 200 2 19749 64.8601 147.3098 0007801 275.2030 84.7143 2.13101774 18512 Glonass 41 1 19750U 89 1 B 91150.57413979 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 432 2 19750 64.8807 147.2558 0007907 258.8367 101.0719 2.13102180 18568 GPS BII-01 1 19802U 89013 A 91103.54677754 .00000080 00000-0 26739 3 0 02338 2 19802 055.0738 185.5709 0049862 165.7198 194.4554 02.00562574015774 Akebono 1 19822U 89 16 A 91149.86988943 .00037709 00000-0 20881-2 0 342 2 19822 75.1023 66.1727 4079202 356.8461 1.2512 7.30391517 24775 Meteor 2-18 1 19851U 89 18 A 91149.88434152 .00000141 00000-0 11573-3 0 4866 2 19851 82.5197 312.2062 0015425 108.9830 251.3004 13.84135625113525 MOP-1 1 19876U 89 20 B 91 83.49540771 .00000025 00000-0 99999-4 0 1840 2 19876 0.2910 50.4188 0001552 314.1531 355.4087 1.00273956 3471 TDRS 3 1 19883U 89 21 B 91146.43642245 -.00000236 00000-0 99999-4 0 2769 2 19883 0.9857 79.7902 0002132 335.2749 304.8506 1.00269124 78337 GPS BII-02 1 20061U 89 44 A 91103.87321174 -.00000034 00000-0 99999-4 0 2711 2 20061 54.8877 3.6255 0090918 184.4845 175.4971 2.00566450 13525 Nadezhda 1 1 20103U 89 50 A 91149.67479493 .00000118 00000-0 11406-3 0 3844 2 20103 82.9622 29.5881 0037766 151.3572 208.9665 13.73691606 95285 GPS BII-03 1 20185U 89064 A 91104.71060838 -.00000123 00000-0 00000 0 0 01797 2 20185 054.9166 186.3301 0020176 172.0341 188.0316 02.00562496012111 GPS BII-04 1 20302U 89085 A 91106.73331065 -.00000084 00000-0 00000 0 0 01794 2 20302 054.3986 304.6789 0029381 333.0204 026.8604 02.00556152010956 Meteor 3-3 1 20305U 89 86 A 91148.56309105 .00000043 00000-0 99999-4 0 3847 2 20305 82.5563 334.4052 0015824 184.7941 175.3029 13.15954760 76377 -- Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 91 12:11:43 GMT From: usc!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!hamlet.caltech.edu!carl@apple.com (Lydick, Carl) Subject: Re: Bootstrapping (Was: Re: S.E.T.I. Who can give me any reasons ...) In article <1991May23.234613.18260@nntp-server.caltech.edu>, I said: >Not necessarily. With the population decreasing at a disastrous rate.... That should, of course, have been: >Not necessarily. With the population increasing at a disastrous rate.... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick HEPnet/NSI: SOL1::CARL Internet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 91 12:25:33 GMT From: csus.edu!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!hamlet.caltech.edu!carl@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Lydick, Carl) Subject: Re: Summary of 5/20 Space News (Fred Funding) In article <1991May24.122040.7736@eagle.lerc.nasa.gov>, dbm0000@sei_4.lerc.nasa.gov (Dave McKissock) writes... >Jerry Grey, director of science & technology for AIAA, says if NASA >started all over again, they might end up with something cheaper, but >not if you include the cost of the $5 billion already spent. Economic axiom: Sunk costs don't count. I.e., the amount of money you've already sunk in a project should be irrelevent to deciding your future course. All that matters is what additional investment will buy you. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carl J Lydick HEPnet/NSI: SOL1::CARL Internet: CARL@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 91 00:50:26 GMT From: mintaka!think.com!spool.mu.edu!cs.umn.edu!vergis@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Anastasios Vergis) Subject: Re: Extra Terrestrial Intelligence In article <91143.125932A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET> A6014BB@HASARA11.BITNET writes: >Many arguments can be made for and against the idea that there is >life on planets in de Milky Way Galaxy besides on earth. If there >is (intelligent) life on other planets, would their technology be >ahead of us? How far? Would they have tried to contact us? Why? >Why not? I have posted questions like this on sci.astro recently >and some of the replies were: ........... > >(5) Maybe we're the only inhabited planet in the universe... > >Any other comments on this would be greatly appreciated > >Bjorn Bruinsma (Bitnet: a6014bb@HASARA11) There is yet another possibility: Any sufficiently advanced civilization will blow up, when experimenting with not well-understood physics which unleash unsuspected and catastrophic amounts of energy, or turn their solar system into a black hole or something ... This is necessarily the case if there is such a "catastrophic" experiment in physics which any advanced civilization is bound to conduct. (This chilling possibility is described in "Thrice upon a time" by James Hogan, where the earth is consumed by "get-away" tiny orbiting black holes.) Anastasios Vergis ------------------------------ Date: 28 May 91 17:15:45 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think.com!linus!linus!cyclone!sokay@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (S. J. Okay) Subject: Re: Moonbase movie *Plymouth* to air Sunday? In article <1991May23.221559.18531@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: >Yes it is indeed goint go be on ABC at 8:00 or 9:00. If you >like the show, it's not too late to get a series out of it. Call >ABC TV programming department and tell them you liked it and would >like a series. Also call the sponsors and tell them. What I saw of it looked good, but I missed all but the intro 15 minutes due to a balky VCR. If anybody out there who taped it could volunteer to provide me with a copy for MOPV (My Own Personal Viewing), I'd be greatly appreciative. (Save any copyright flames for the null device..) I'd also be interested in hearing of any general appraisals of the movie for scientific acuracy, since this one one point of merit that was stressed about this movie on here. ---Steve ------------------------------ Date: 27 May 91 16:55:35 GMT From: cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!rsoft!mindlink!a684@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Nick Janow) Subject: Re: Rational next station design process aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes: > I'm sure Nick would volunteer to be the test subject given his confidence in > the field. Anybody want to stick a needle in Nick by remote control? > > :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) :) My confidence is in the _potential_ of the field, not the present capabilities. I do think that investment in automation/teleoperation/AI R&D would be more beneficial at this point in history than the type of manned space presence we could develop with the same amount of money. ------------------------------ Date: 29 May 91 11:18:23 GMT From: mcsun!unido!mpirbn!p515dfi@uunet.uu.net (Daniel Fischer) Subject: Re: New launch dates? In article dadams@thebox.rain.com (Dean Adams) writes: >Does anyone know if there has there have been new dates set for the >Joust-1 or Ariane V44/ERS-1 launch? It seems that they should both >be going up any time now, but I haven't seen any updates on either of >these flights for quite some time... ERS-1 won't launch until July, since they have found they have to replace parts in the cryogenic 3rd stage of the Ariane. It had suffered anomalic (sp.?) pressure drops after ignition during two previous launches (and was responsible for most of the Ariane failures in the past) - seems to be a rather complex technology. ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #679 *******************