Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sun, 2 Jun 91 01:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sun, 2 Jun 91 01:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #587 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 587 Today's Topics: Ground to Space Tether! WHY NOT!?! United Space Federation, Inc. Update 8 POTENTIAL GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING * SpaceNews 13-May-91 * Re: Fred vs. Exploration: head-to-head competition Re: HLLV Lives? Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 May 91 04:24:02 GMT From: vax5.cit.cornell.edu!usf@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu Subject: Ground to Space Tether! WHY NOT!?! A ground to space tether why not? A ground to space tether could have helium lifting bags every 1000 feet or so to take some of the load stress off the tether. This then could bring the requirments, as far as vertical requirements go, well with in the range of present materials. As far as horizontal stresses from wind shear goes, I do not know if stabilizing thrusters spaced out along the tether could compensate for these forces, as I am not familiar with upper atmosphere dynamics, maybe one of you out there does? These comments are my own. Rick ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 91 05:40:49 GMT From: vax5.cit.cornell.edu!usf@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu Subject: United Space Federation, Inc. Update 8 ****************************************************** *UNITED SPACE FEDERATION,INC. UPDATE 16th of MAY 1991* ****************************************************** COMMENTS FROM THE FOUNDER WHY IS A WORLD SPACE ORGANIZATION NEEDED ?!? In 1986 I had a very strong dream, or vision if you may!, about the creation of an international civil space agency ( a United Space Federation ). Since 1986 I have pursued my vision with much critixizim and ridicule, But all I have envisioned is coming into being at quite a rapid rate. First, I must state three important insights that give urgency to my efforts : One - Companies, Industries and Economies that where created and supported by the now crumbling era of war economies, are coming apart at the seams. This is creating large amounts of unemployed and HUNGRY! people around the world. A new type of economy is needed to replace this old form; or industrial and technological nations will have no choice but to create new and imaginary threats, to satisfy their hunger and need to expand. What better way to do this than move technology and industry away from the finite resources of earth to the infinite realm of space. There by utilizing this vast new resource, that could create an unlimited potential for new and thriving economies for the world. This would replace or at least offer a viable alternative to the now faltering war economies, with what we might call a peace economy, that all countries could be involved in and benefit from greatly. Space stations, moon bases, missions to mars, bases on mars and an infinite of other possibilities would fill the gap that in the past was dominated by military build ups. If a peace economy through utilization and exploration of this new frontier of space is not realized, the only alternative is a war. Secondly - The growth and affects of technological civilizations is damaging our planets environment. This is threatening our existence along with every other living thing on the planet. Our world is a closed ecological system, so industry and other technological projects cause harm to that closed system because they are inside it. Environmentalist are not going to succeed in stopping this damage to the environment unless they stop the cause, that is humankind reverts to cave dwelling or living under trees. The other alternative and the most logical one ,is to remove many of these afflicting causes out side the closed ecological system of the Earth. This would consist of moving industry and many other damaging environmental technologies, and any future industrial activities, in to space. The first reply by finite earth bound thinkers is to say, why pollute space!! The fact of the matter is earth is a closed ecological system, which is now under great strain by technological civilizations. If you think humankind will give up their curiosity and drive to expand their minds and surroundings and live in caves, this would not only be absurd but a very nieve thought indeed. Earth is finite were as space is infinite, so by moving many these harmful technological projects into space, where they would have little if no impact on its infinite vastness; would to me, seem to be the most practical goal for future expansion and continuation of industrial activities, for which present and future civilizations are, and will be, greatly dependent on for there survival. Thirdly - We as a human existence on this planet are now faced with either adapting or perishing. One of those decisions is that if nations of the world are going to coexist with each other peacefully into the future. There is going to have to be some endeavor which unites the ambitions and desires of these nations for peaceful, constructive and meaningful cooperative activities. I am by no means preaching would peace tomorrow or demiliterization in any way. For as long as humans have emotions and differences, there will be military's and no matter how small or unnoticible they may be there will be wars. I am saying that the bright and ambitious minds of the world need to reach out, if not for reasons of peaceful challenges, it will be for destruction and war. So at present humanity is faced with a decision of great magnitude. This will not and should not be decided by any one government or nation, but as an over all consensus of survival by our world as a whole. It is time for the child of humanity to leave the womb of mother Earth, into the new and vast domain among the stars. For if we stay much longer both mother and child may perish. So in closing it is my hope that a United Space Federation ( an international civil space agency ) may offer a solutions to the present troubles of our world today, by providing a clear and path for humanity far into the future. This is my vision, and my dream is to see it realized within my life time. Thank you for your time and support, Godspeed! Sincerely, Rick R. Dobson Executive Director United Space Federation, Inc. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 May 91 03:01:50 MDT From: oler <@BITNET.CC.CMU.EDU:oler@HG.ULeth.CA> (CARY OLER) Subject: POTENTIAL GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING X-St-Vmsmail-To: st%"space+@andrew.cmu.edu" /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ POTENTIAL GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING 18 MAY - 19 MAY /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ WARNINGS ISSUED: - POTENTIAL MAJOR SOLAR FLARE WARNING (in progress) - POTENTIAL MINOR GEOMAGNETIC STORM WARNING - LOW LATITUDE AURORAL ACTIVITY WATCH ATTENTION: The major class M8.9/2B flare of 16 May is expected to produce an increase in geomagnetic and auroral activity on 18 and possibly 19 May. The event was associated with major Type II and IV sweeps and was of long duration (correction from earlier today: duration was 181 minutes). However, no protons arrived from this event as was previously expected. This flare, combined with already unstable geophysical conditions, is expected to push geomagnetic activity to minor storm levels over the high and possibly middle latitudes. An interplanetary shock is expected to arrive sometime near 12:00 UT on 18 May, which should be followed shortly thereafter by increased activity. There is a slight chance for major geomagnetic storming over the middle and high latitudes on 18 and possibly 19 May. A sudden magnetic impulse was observed over middle latitude observatories earlier on 16 May which has been followed by generally active to minor storm level geomagnetic conditions. The additional flare effects could push geomagnetic activity above minor storm thresholds for the middle latitudes. Auroral activity is expected to become moderate to high over the high and northerly middle latitudes. Central middle latitudes may witness moderate levels of auroral activity, particularly after the moon sets while lower latitudes are not expected to observe any activity (however, a Watch has been issued for these regions). HF propagation conditions are expected to become increasingly degraded until 19/20 May, when some improvements are expected. VHF auroral backscatter will be possible over many high and middle latitudes. A slight chance for limited low-latitude auroral backscatter will also exist on 18 and possibly 19 May. Watch for a possible geomagnetic storm alert on 18 or 19 May. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ ------------------------------ Date: 10 May 91 21:31:38 GMT From: stanford.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!usc!rpi!masscomp!ocpt!tsdiag!ka2qhd!kd2bd@icarus.riacs.edu (John Magliacane) Subject: * SpaceNews 13-May-91 * SB NEWS @ AMSAT < KD2BD $SPC0513 * SpaceNews 13-May-91 * ========= SpaceNews ========= MONDAY MAY 13, 1991 SpaceNews originates at KD2BD in Wall Township, New Jersey, United States. It is published every week and is made available for unlimited distribution. * SpaceNews NEWS * ================== SpaceNews has not been published for the past few weeks due to lightning induced damage that was suffered by the computer that is usually used to generate these reports. Although the defective IC has not yet been replaced, this week's report is being generated on a different computer system at a different site. I wish to thank everyone who have sent messages of concern to me for the past few weeks. Things should be back to normal shortly. Sorry for the inconvenience! * U.S. MARS MISSION? * ====================== WWCR's radio broadcast "For The People" on 03-May-91 carried a report by Richard C. Hoagland, who believes the United States might have a spacecraft on its way to the planet Mars in order to investigate the "Cydonia Message" first discovered in photos taken by Viking 1 in 1976. Hoagland believes the Mars observer spacecraft was deployed by the Space Shuttle "Atlantis" on mission STS-38. According to official records, STS-38 carried an AFP-658 satellite into orbit. An AFP-658 satellite measures 65 feet long and 15 feet in diameter. Hoagland believes this payload was actually a booster rocket for the Mars observer spacecraft which was later mated with the Mars observer spacecraft on a following STS mission. Observers reported seeing Atlantis and its satellite deployment during mission STS-38. Some observers reported seeing both objects illuminated by a reddish glow, which has yet to be explained. On later orbits, the deployed satellite appeared to have vanished. Hoagland feels that if such a spacecraft were on its way to Mars, it should be transmitting on X-band using pseudo-random noise encoding. Hoagland is trying to get in touch with scientists who have deep space X-band receive capabilities to see if signals can be detected coming from Mars. The reception of intelligent radio signals from Mars could indicate that either the US or the Soviet Union have Mars observers sending valuable data back to scientists on Earth. Cydonia is a Martian desert located in the northern hemisphere of Mars. It contains a mile-long, 1500 foot humanoid "face" and a system of five-sided pyramids. Through images taken by Viking 1, the "face" was found to contain such detail as an eye socket, eyeball and pupil, nose and mouth. The facial proportions are those of early man. An investigation into Cydonia could help to confirm these findings and shed light into their meaning. * FEEDBACK WELCOMED * ===================== Feedback regarding SpaceNews can be directed to the editor (John) via any of the following paths: INTERNET : kd2bd@ka2qhd.de.com -or- kd2bd@tomcat.nasa.gov PACKET : KD2BD @ NN2Z.NJ.USA.NA UUCP : ...uunet!rutgers!ka2qhd!kd2bd MAIL : John A. Magliacane, KD2BD Department of Electronics Technology Advanced Technology Center Brookdale Community College 765 Newman Springs Road Lincroft, New Jersey 07738 U.S.A. /EX -- John A. Magliacane FAX : (908) 747-7107 Electronics Technology Department AMPR : KD2BD @ NN2Z.NJ.USA.NA Brookdale Community College UUCP : ...!rutgers!ka2qhd!kd2bd Lincroft, NJ 07738 USA VOICE: (908) 842-1900 ext 607 ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 91 20:21:02 GMT From: haven.umd.edu!uvaarpa!murdoch!sngldsh!bgarwood@louie.udel.edu (Bob Garwood ) Subject: Re: Fred vs. Exploration: head-to-head competition In article <1991May17.162311.8055@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <1991May17.033636.10172@sequent.com> szabo@sequent.com writes: >>>Has it not occurred to you that no space >>>projects will ever see that funding if Fred dies? >> >>Congress said NASA wants X billion this year, we are only going >>to give them Y. What do we cut? SIRTF and AXAF? Or Fred? They >>chose Fred. So yes, indeed, two quite valuable space projects have >>gotten their funding due to the death of Fred ... > >Nick, one reason why I usually ignore your postings is that any debate >with you is full of these non-sequiturs and unannounced changes of topic. >The "funding" to which *you* were referring was the hypothetical $10G >peak Fred budget. I stand by my comments: no space project will ever >see that money if Fred dies. Absolutely true. The problem is that sometime last week, as I understand it, it became clear that NO ONE in science was going to see that money. They had other money, however, that was either going to go toward keeping Fred alive or towards AXAF, SIRTF, and NSF among other things. I'm not close enough to what goes on in congress to know which is why the AAS has people who's job IS to keep an eye on such things and in there judgement the available money was going to go towards Fred in which case lots of space science would suffer or it would go towards the space science in which case Fred would suffer. I trush their judgement that this was, in fact, an accurate assessment of the situation. So, some amount of money was not available to science, Fred could still be kept alive by killing some space science projects or the space science could be kept alive by killing Fred. The AAS came out in support of the space science. I wish the choice needn't have been made but, give that the choice WAS going to be made, I agree with the AAS view that space science is more important. >-- >And the bean-counter replied, | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology >"beans are more important". | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry Bob Garwood National Radio Astronomy Observatory ------------------------------ Date: 17 May 91 23:07:00 GMT From: mintaka!think.com!samsung!umich!ox.com!hela!aws@bloom-beacon.mit.edu (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Re: HLLV Lives? In article <9105172101.AA03785@gemini.arc.nasa.gov> greer%utdssa.dnet%utadnx@utspan.span.nasa.gov writes: >I recently spoke with someone in the know on this NASA budget thing. >He says the general feeling at NASA is that space station Freedom is >dead, and what's more, Marshall Space Flight Center is reprogramming >to dump the station and go ahead with a heavy lift launch vehicle. >Can anybody out there from Marshall confirm this? I'm not from Marshall but it makes sense to me. My sources in Congress say that next year NASA will ask to buy two orbiters and in 93 they will start on NLDP. Both NASA and the Air Force are in agreement that NLDP is the way to go and they plan to divert funds from NASP and SSX to fund it. This folks will be the Shuttle of the 90's. When it is over we will be $10+ billion poorer and have an expensive fragile launcher which doesn't work to show for it. However, since the start is in 93 we have some time to kill this one as well. Let's hope we do. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Allen W. Sherzer | Allen's tactics are too tricky to deal with | | aws@iti.org | -- Harel Barzilai | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #587 *******************