Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:37:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 6 Apr 91 02:37:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #371 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 371 Today's Topics: Re: I want to go to orbit... Announcements Re: Commercial Space News (1 of 5) Re: Underground Nuclear Test in Nevada NASA Prediction Bulletins, Part 1 Luna Return Re: Space technology Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Apr 91 04:17:52 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!helios.physics.utoronto.ca!aurora.physics.utoronto.ca!neufeld@apple.com (Christopher Neufeld) Subject: Re: I want to go to orbit... In article <1991Mar25.174621.3905@cs.mcgill.ca>, msdos@cs.mcgill.ca (Mark SOKOLOWSKI) writes: > > What are the steps in order to build a reliable space-shuttle like > spaceship in order to send myself to orbit for the summer holidays? > I'm thinking about a 20-30 ton rocket with a 900 kg payload made up of > a car sized hypersonic glidder, fitted with 3 rocket engines. There will > be 2 boosters of about 10 tons each, and a main liquid hydrogen-oxygen > tank of about 10 tons too. I have a Chalet near a lake with some forest > Folks, remember Mark from the Venus terraforming discussion? Don't tell him about the new low-cost personal interplanetary shuttles being sold through mail order. I'm sure he's planning to fly to Venus to disable Magellan, since it's polluting that pretty landscape with nasty radio wave things. Do you want the destruction of Magellan on your conscience? -- Christopher Neufeld....Just a graduate student | Flash: morning star seen neufeld@aurora.physics.utoronto.ca Ad astra! | in evening! Baffled cneufeld@{pnet91,pro-cco}.cts.com | astronomers: "could mean "Don't edit reality for the sake of simplicity" | second coming of Elvis!" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Apr 91 07:03:08 PST From: thamilton@ch3.intel.com (Tony Hamilton, 48142, pager: 250-9931) To: "space+@andrew.cmu.edu"@HERMES.intel.com Cc: THAMILTON@ch3.intel.com Subject: Announcements I am just curious about something. I monitor this list, and notice that often there are announcements of events coming up, or briefings, or whatever, whether they are given in the Headline News, or from some other source. What I am wondering is since most of us DON'T have access to satellite TV, why doesn't someone ever summarize what happens at these events? I have seen numerous times where someone mentions that so-and-so will speak about Magellan findings, or so-and-so will speak about Hubble findings, but rarely does anyone actually let us all know WHAT these people said. Certainly, for many, just knowing these events will take place is a good thing, but I'm sure I'm not the only one who would like to see some of the actual INFORMATION disseminated on this digest. Right now I just get frustrated knowing that these events are happening and that I can't tune into them, and afterwards no-one here ever says anything about what was learned from these events. Well, just a comment, and some wishful thought.... .*****************************************************************. { Tony Hamilton - Engineering Technician - Intel - 602-554-8142 } { - Sole Proprietor - Astral Gaming Enterprises - 602-834-5474 } { Internet - thamilton@ch3.intel.com - Hours: Mon-Fri 8am-5pm MST } { Astral Void BBS - 602-834-6065 300/1200 On-line Database RPGs } `*****************************************************************' ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 91 16:02:45 GMT From: mojo!SYSMGR%KING.ENG.UMD.EDU@mimsy.umd.edu (Doug Mohney) Subject: Re: Commercial Space News (1 of 5) In article <2680@ke4zv.UUCP>, gary@ke4zv.UUCP (Gary Coffman) writes: > >The amateur radio satellites called PACSAT are on orbit and operating >using this technology. AMSAT, the amateur radio satellite organization, >started the craze for light satellites by demonstrating the practicallity >of small, light, spacecraft for remote communications, termed Microsats. >In this series are store and forward digital communications satellites, >a satellite with an earth observing camera, What's the resolution on the earth observing camera? What does it see? Just weather? Or something better? >.... Ground terminals can be carried in a briefcase. Could you post more details? It'd be real interesting to cruise around on a boat and be able to pick up the weather off AMSAT? Any other info (like printed sources) would be most appreciated. Doug Signature envy: quality of some people to put 24+ lines in their .sigs -- > SYSMGR@CADLAB.ENG.UMD.EDU < -- ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 91 18:51:28 GMT From: agate!bionet!uwm.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!watyew!jdnicoll@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: Underground Nuclear Test in Nevada In article <1991Apr5.143519.25044@ecf.utoronto.ca> murty@ecf.toronto.edu (MURTY Hema Sandhyarani) writes: > Yesterday there was another underground nuclear test in > Nevada. Why are we allowing this to continue? > > I am sure that if all the readers of sci.space got > together and denounces such tests by countries of > the world, they would have to stop. (Material deleted) I think there is a possiblity that you might be over-estimating the prestige sci.space readers have in the nuclear arms-testing community. Why are you sure? James Nicoll ------------------------------ Date: 6 Apr 91 01:06:03 GMT From: udecc.engr.udayton.edu!blackbird.afit.af.mil!tkelso@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (TS Kelso) Subject: NASA Prediction Bulletins, Part 1 The most current orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated several times weekly. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space. This week's elements are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. - Current NASA Prediction Bulletins #831a - Alouette 1 1 00424U 62B-A 1 91 95.13851789 .00000521 00000-0 61021-3 0 3957 2 00424 80.4687 358.2239 0021859 242.5312 117.3602 13.67505428422594 ATS 3 1 03029U 67111 A 91 93.81179965 -.00000075 00000-0 99999-4 0 5187 2 03029 13.5606 18.7315 0015904 227.2492 132.4924 1.00272810 85705 Cosmos 398 1 04966U 71 16 A 91 95.01772659 .00103259 19096-4 51977-3 0 4807 2 04966 51.5132 199.5469 2066348 357.9264 1.3895 11.50545081624538 Starlette 1 07646U 75010 A 91 93.44257480 .00000039 00000-0 78106-4 0 2016 2 07646 49.8197 93.1645 0205678 69.9955 292.2957 13.82153533815927 LAGEOS 1 08820U 76039 A 91 88.10490856 .00000009 00000-0 20291-1 0 2168 2 08820 109.8384 92.7345 0044368 177.9910 182.1095 6.38664189 92134 GOES 2 1 10061U 77048 A 91 94.79948963 -.00000258 00000-0 99999-4 0 5724 2 10061 8.7543 60.1619 0004406 332.2857 27.6671 1.00257629 51933 IUE 1 10637U 78012 A 91 92.92448074 -.00000180 00000-0 79862-4 0 2218 2 10637 32.7524 114.1648 1409334 1.0220 359.3532 1.00289358 9371 GPS-0001 1 10684U 78020 A 91 94.12726045 .00000004 00000-0 99999-4 0 6132 2 10684 63.9100 80.5188 0127729 200.5087 158.9536 2.00553735 81680 GPS-0002 1 10893U 78 47 A 91 93.62972199 -.00000022 00000-0 99999-4 0 3318 2 10893 64.2756 321.4075 0179487 24.9710 335.8318 2.00536848 94497 GOES 3 1 10953U 78062 A 91 75.18784986 .00000090 00000-0 99999-4 0 533 2 10953 7.5973 63.3168 0003190 104.1918 255.8528 1.00264070 7647 SeaSat 1 1 10967U 78064 A 91 93.25402414 .00001877 00000-0 68168-3 0 4880 2 10967 108.0137 199.1300 0002589 234.4558 125.5803 14.36423763668095 GPS-0003 1 11054U 78093 A 91 93.87208620 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 3619 2 11054 63.7572 317.5496 0064217 116.9980 243.7057 2.00572381 91514 Nimbus 7 1 11080U 78098 A 91 86.73693432 .00000357 00000-0 35308-3 0 7370 2 11080 99.1750 349.9490 0009613 47.9953 312.2033 13.83526670627243 GPS-0004 1 11141U 78112 A 91 90.50727371 .00000004 00000-0 99999-4 0 1443 2 11141 63.8495 80.5318 0061558 311.4115 48.0539 2.00546501 90147 GPS-0005 1 11690U 80 11 A 91 89.14913912 .00000005 00000-0 99999-4 0 1035 2 11690 64.3336 82.8523 0123107 203.1402 156.3021 2.00552478 95979 GPS-0006 1 11783U 80 32 A 91 94.42963052 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 4041 2 11783 63.5641 317.0252 0160698 59.2155 302.4094 2.00576720 80160 GOES 5 1 12472U 81049 A 91 93.05879893 .00000135 00000-0 99999-4 0 640 2 12472 4.1896 72.2051 0002580 277.1790 82.8811 1.00250240 35135 Cosmos 1383 1 13301U 82 66 A 91 94.01230107 .00000267 00000-0 30280-3 0 6939 2 13301 82.9292 87.6399 0029159 78.0258 282.4149 13.67901179437435 LandSat 4 1 13367U 82 72 A 91 94.14433069 -.00001039 00000-0 -22559-3 0 7283 2 13367 98.1189 155.3016 0002728 320.2178 39.8961 14.57150820463676 IRAS 1 13777U 83 4 A 91 86.02437821 .00000362 00000-0 27469-3 0 9128 2 13777 99.0138 283.2803 0012313 329.1255 30.9195 13.98911137 86486 Cosmos 1447 1 13916U 83 21 A 91 92.20645934 .00000325 00000-0 33234-3 0 7871 2 13916 82.9430 158.3862 0039821 54.2150 306.2676 13.74129195402368 TDRS 1 1 13969U 83 26 B 91 94.11729893 .00000126 00000-0 99999-4 0 2979 2 13969 5.1725 63.2351 0003931 321.3542 38.6083 1.00273856 2266 GOES 6 1 14050U 83 41 A 91 94.05176097 .00000115 00000-0 99999-4 0 3961 2 14050 2.9625 74.7347 0004475 343.7544 16.4602 1.00279059 1056 OSCAR 10 1 14129U 83 58 B 91 93.44323140 .00000105 00000-0 99999-4 0 6446 2 14129 25.7520 152.9573 6003652 229.9595 59.5225 2.05878797 30717 GPS-0008 1 14189U 83 72 A 91 93.86335665 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 9067 2 14189 63.5181 78.7504 0143657 225.2784 133.5242 2.00568387 56590 LandSat 5 1 14780U 84 21 A 91 93.14885311 .00000428 00000-0 99999-4 0 5762 2 14780 98.2359 154.4285 0002970 177.9990 182.0479 14.57100517376948 UoSat 2 1 14781U 84 21 B 91 94.62232468 .00004631 00000-0 84039-3 0 9533 2 14781 97.9094 142.1415 0013395 39.1900 321.0023 14.66629690378662 GPS-0009 1 15039U 84 59 A 91 88.05356905 .00000002 00000-0 99999-4 0 1750 2 15039 63.2649 78.0504 0028365 227.1586 132.6033 2.00565549 49758 Cosmos 1574 1 15055U 84 62 A 91 88.35423803 .00000384 00000-0 40075-3 0 388 2 15055 82.9562 212.0664 0025978 250.8608 108.9752 13.73434896339219 GPS-0010 1 15271U 84 97 A 91 90.49163887 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 218 2 15271 63.0536 316.5576 0112613 332.2203 27.2164 2.00564185 46916 Cosmos 1602 1 15331U 84105 A 91 94.96513981 .00006501 00000-0 85167-3 0 5174 2 15331 82.5245 90.1828 0024873 99.4930 260.8921 14.80029725351215 NOAA 9 1 15427U 84123 A 91 94.28164991 .00001050 00000-0 58443-3 0 7227 2 15427 99.1731 106.0202 0014110 273.1516 86.8038 14.12930502325082 GPS-0011 1 16129U 85 93 A 91 94.19940955 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 7360 2 16129 64.0328 79.0760 0122680 147.7995 212.9546 2.00564583 40190 Mir 1 16609U 86 17 A 91 93.36149030 .00055135 00000-0 53911-3 0 3537 2 16609 51.6059 306.9584 0014308 135.2600 225.0117 15.65471891293445 SPOT 1 1 16613U 86 19 A 91 94.21614301 .00001166 00000-0 56518-3 0 2751 2 16613 98.7013 169.4145 0001593 91.4179 268.7145 14.20071301105239 Cosmos 1766 1 16881U 86 55 A 91 94.11649281 .00004333 00000-0 57529-3 0 3766 2 16881 82.5266 149.6880 0023061 117.5675 242.7920 14.79424493252131 EGP 1 16908U 86 61 A 91 93.41884235 -.00000025 00000-0 99999-4 0 3432 2 16908 50.0060 83.7488 0011387 213.7648 146.2462 12.44393999210995 NOAA 10 1 16969U 86 73 A 91 93.22928864 .00001418 00000-0 63313-3 0 5650 2 16969 98.5722 119.3231 0014000 141.8723 218.3441 14.24031907235887 MOS-1 1 17527U 87 18 A 91 91.21003034 .00000829 00000-0 64198-3 0 7683 2 17527 99.0751 164.6035 0000919 71.7285 288.3975 13.94901408209416 GOES 7 1 17561U 87 22 A 91 91.77246377 -.00000045 00000-0 99999-4 0 7506 2 17561 0.0221 110.6154 0006189 263.6385 345.7635 1.00272231 8461 Kvant-1 1 17845U 87 30 A 91 94.95724462 .00072795 00000-0 70274-3 0 5220 2 17845 51.6042 298.8617 0014387 143.3444 216.7322 15.65675049228421 DMSP B5D2-3 1 18123U 87 53 A 91 94.61425992 .00001684 00000-0 89720-3 0 8907 2 18123 98.8153 286.3191 0013619 275.3873 84.5743 14.14485829195592 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87 54 A 91 94.12077951 .00000097 00000-0 99999-4 0 5733 2 18129 82.9215 113.5951 0012903 38.7826 321.4268 13.72167552189434 Meteor 2-16 1 18312U 87 68 A 91 89.02726487 .00000283 00000-0 24617-3 0 6170 2 18312 82.5513 63.7309 0011889 163.2510 196.9050 13.83753913182514 Meteor 2-17 1 18820U 88 5 A 91 93.52354186 .00000384 00000-0 33349-3 0 4665 2 18820 82.5424 119.6635 0015085 227.4905 132.4972 13.84467618160356 DMSP B5D2-4 1 18822U 88 6 A 91 93.24382015 .00001005 00000-0 47249-3 0 8286 2 18822 98.6049 330.7037 0007148 144.2913 215.8744 14.21906569164034 Glonass 34 1 19163U 88 43 A 91 95.02549706 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 2163 2 19163 64.9157 149.4100 0007174 198.1248 161.9232 2.13102540 22360 Glonass 36 1 19165U 88 43 C 91 94.61311426 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 2086 2 19165 64.9005 149.4213 0004553 325.6972 34.3475 2.13102752 22354 AO-13 1 19216U 88 51 B 91 78.38609337 .00000215 00000-0 44351-3 0 2424 2 19216 56.8112 104.6916 7140389 249.8316 25.0884 2.09695125 21173 OKEAN 1 1 19274U 88 56 A 91 94.17642323 .00004333 00000-0 58811-3 0 812 2 19274 82.5140 248.3663 0020326 253.2220 106.6761 14.78536648147894 Meteor 3-2 1 19336U 88 64 A 91 88.93495538 .00000054 00000-0 12315-3 0 7150 2 19336 82.5403 75.2686 0017218 324.4696 35.5287 13.16916762128567 Glonass 39 1 19503U 88 85 C 91 94.63285016 -.00000018 00000-0 99999-4 0 1341 2 19503 65.4479 28.7596 0004577 203.3759 156.6065 2.13103381 19847 NOAA 11 1 19531U 88 89 A 91 93.24338171 .00001021 00000-0 57715-3 0 4765 2 19531 99.0236 47.5080 0011637 181.6373 178.4770 14.12045110129893 TDRS 2 1 19548U 88 91 B 91 89.96222724 .00000115 00000-0 99999-4 0 2353 2 19548 0.8252 79.5164 0002691 292.1952 348.3100 1.00279109 7797 Glonass 40 1 19749U 89 1 A 91 93.73575753 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 9184 2 19749 64.8597 149.1139 0007178 273.6872 86.3061 2.13101844 17351 Glonass 41 1 19750U 89 1 B 91 94.26310804 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 9718 2 19750 64.8811 149.1204 0007236 256.6358 103.3581 2.13102184 17366 GPS BII-01 1 19802U 89 13 A 91 58.17527061 .00000017 00000-0 99999-4 0 2319 2 19802 55.0455 187.3559 0050904 163.2354 196.8890 2.00558153 14865 Akebono 1 19822U 89 16 A 91 94.53078275 .00032651 00000-0 18323-2 0 9802 2 19822 75.0680 94.2908 4102887 33.3915 346.8778 7.25989939 20743 Meteor 2-18 1 19851U 89 18 A 91 93.78845414 .00000656 00000-0 57956-3 0 4204 2 19851 82.5249 356.9153 0012789 272.5151 87.4533 13.84110168105760 MOP-1 1 19876U 89 20 B 91 83.49536303 .00000025 00000-0 99999-4 0 1835 2 19876 0.2513 49.9473 0001444 323.2796 346.7560 1.00274330 3470 TDRS 3 1 19883U 89 21 B 91 81.61557064 -.00000238 00000-0 99999-4 0 2347 2 19883 0.8413 80.3073 0001699 283.3269 356.3624 1.00260420 77688 GPS BII-02 1 20061U 89 44 A 91 58.00437706 -.00000034 00000-0 99999-4 0 2332 2 20061 54.8640 5.4895 0089842 183.4176 176.5173 2.00566400 12602 Nadezhda 1 1 20103U 89 50 A 91 91.98700744 .00000392 00000-0 40622-3 0 3138 2 20103 82.9570 72.1153 0037236 317.0587 42.7646 13.73671203 87366 -- Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 91 11:06:34 GMT From: waikato.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!am.dsir.govt.nz!marcamd!mercury!kcbbs!kc@decwrl.dec.com (George Muzyka) Subject: Luna Return It was most interesting to hear about Dr. T.D. Li[m?]'s investigative lab. studies into the possibility of using Moon soil in concrete manufacture. This had a series of good reports on the Voice of America a few years ago. Dr. Lim [sp?] was said to be a graduate from Shanghai University of China and had a good background for this new work of his. I would like to know how he has got on more lately, there has been essentially no more mention of him or his work, or any specific lunar soil projects for the not too distant future. Dr. Lim's (sp?) experiments with making concrete mixes and testing for their strengths and other important attributes at the time seemed feasible for continued experimentation. Here's waiting. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 91 15:27:19 GMT From: lib!thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu@tmc.edu (Jay Maynard) Subject: Re: Space technology In article <1991Apr5.050930.21099@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu> rwmurphr@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu (Robert W Murphree) writes: }Actually, I like to think of the word "spinoff" as one of the great }PR triumphs of the 60's-basically its a publicity hoax invented to }quiet disturbed tax payers like your father. Carl Sagan is fond of }saying that in matters of applied research, if the object is a no-stick }frying pan, you're almost always better off backing research into no- }stick frying pans rather than laser-guided tennis balls. }The major technologies of importance from space are (in order of }importance) ICBM's, military reconnaisance satellites, weather, and }communication satellites, astronomy and planetary science probes. ...he says, as he types on his microcomputer-based terminal... -- Jay Maynard, EMT-P, K5ZC, PP-ASEL | Never ascribe to malice that which can jmaynard@thesis1.med.uth.tmc.edu | adequately be explained by stupidity. "Religious flames over judgement calls are contraindicated." -- Peter da Silva ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #371 *******************