Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 5 Mar 91 01:36:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 5 Mar 91 01:36:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #226 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 226 Today's Topics: NASA Prediction Bulletins, Part 1 Re: Government vs. Commercial R&D Re: the "face" Re: Terraforming, ethics of human existance. Re: URGENT: recent space trivia...Please help... Re: chimps in space -- question Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Mar 91 17:32:46 GMT From: udecc.engr.udayton.edu!blackbird.afit.af.mil!news@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (TS Kelso) Subject: NASA Prediction Bulletins, Part 1 The most current orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated several times weekly. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space. This week's elements are provided below. The Celestial BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. - Current NASA Prediction Bulletins #816a - Alouette 1 1 00424U 62B-A 1 91 57.38534561 .00000402 00000-0 46936-3 0 3875 2 00424 80.4627 35.4463 0022829 343.0761 16.9636 13.67464241417439 ATS 3 1 03029U 67111 A 91 57.91172609 -.00000075 00000-0 99999-4 0 5052 2 03029 13.5206 19.0399 0009867 229.8047 130.1337 1.00272780 85341 Cosmos 398 1 04966U 71 16 A 91 60.15923436 .00065876 19099-4 35241-3 0 4110 2 04966 51.5342 293.3188 2094307 287.3813 50.9920 11.44162145620606 Starlette 1 07646U 75010 A 91 55.84418340 -.00000008 00000-0 40866-4 0 1986 2 07646 49.8251 241.5438 0205835 305.3797 52.7879 13.82150470810725 LAGEOS 1 08820U 76039 A 91 58.19593728 .00000006 00000-0 99999-4 0 1942 2 08820 109.8443 82.4890 0044448 184.3735 175.6659 6.38664199 90229 GOES 2 1 10061U 77048 A 91 56.90226824 -.00000259 00000-0 99999-4 0 5619 2 10061 8.6620 60.6274 0002965 308.5614 51.5400 1.00272636 51554 IUE 1 10637U 78012 A 91 53.04371539 -.00000183 00000-0 79862-4 0 2054 2 10637 32.6985 114.8628 1411526 0.1114 0.0172 1.00300776 8977 GPS-0001 1 10684U 78020 A 91 59.22423765 .00000004 00000-0 99999-4 0 5989 2 10684 63.8566 81.6368 0125608 199.1942 160.3972 2.00554340 80980 GPS-0002 1 10893U 78 47 A 91 55.23221695 -.00000022 00000-0 99999-4 0 3153 2 10893 64.2776 322.6066 0171110 23.5709 337.2288 2.00536004 93721 GOES 3 1 10953U 78062 A 91 54.24446629 .00000093 00000-0 99999-4 0 449 2 10953 7.5467 63.3611 0005358 129.7167 230.4490 1.00268608 7430 SeaSat 1 1 10967U 78064 A 91 58.70992523 .00001350 00000-0 50428-3 0 4703 2 10967 108.0282 127.7799 0004176 225.2954 134.8009 14.36236561663136 GPS-0003 1 11054U 78093 A 91 56.47891328 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 3538 2 11054 63.7785 318.7351 0063244 116.6387 244.0277 2.00571668 90761 Nimbus 7 1 11080U 78098 A 91 59.68986869 .00000176 00000-0 18867-3 0 7339 2 11080 99.1818 323.5635 0009275 114.7249 245.4893 13.83507221623509 GPS-0004 1 11141U 78112 A 91 53.60830520 .00000004 00000-0 99999-4 0 1297 2 11141 63.8737 81.6459 0062185 314.5593 44.9865 2.00548506 89406 GPS-0005 1 11690U 80 11 A 91 57.23738922 .00000006 00000-0 99999-4 0 968 2 11690 64.3160 83.8239 0121864 203.1355 156.3778 2.00553054 95334 GPS-0006 1 11783U 80 32 A 91 58.03424600 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 3633 2 11783 63.5816 318.1825 0158825 58.7281 302.8328 2.00568432 79438 GOES 5 1 12472U 81049 A 91 59.14420283 .00000124 00000-0 99999-4 0 511 2 12472 4.1104 72.5957 0002538 277.9701 82.4506 1.00236832 34797 SME 1 12887U 81100 A 91 60.12856453 .01459660 17359-2 11029-2 0 1553 2 12887 97.5694 134.0913 0003145 243.9418 116.2438 16.15716826 1394 Cosmos 1383 1 13301U 82 66 A 91 57.21974122 .00000149 00000-0 16260-3 0 6865 2 13301 82.9323 114.6159 0026578 178.3858 181.7382 13.67883161432409 LandSat 4 1 13367U 82 72 A 91 59.74164800 .00000428 00000-0 99999-4 0 6870 2 13367 98.1275 121.7375 0004246 78.1398 282.0276 14.57177159458665 IRAS 1 13777U 83 4 A 91 58.41625553 .00000705 00000-0 51271-3 0 9041 2 13777 99.0163 256.1234 0013831 43.4107 316.8144 13.98895505 82621 Cosmos 1447 1 13916U 83 21 A 91 58.34750085 .00000246 00000-0 25017-3 0 7829 2 13916 82.9391 183.3982 0037550 146.9025 213.4508 13.74106937397716 TDRS 1 1 13969U 83 26 B 91 58.21693283 .00000127 00000-0 99999-4 0 2705 2 13969 5.0882 63.5592 0002677 295.8208 64.4018 1.00275984 1908 GOES 6 1 14050U 83 41 A 91 59.14834673 .00000117 00000-0 99999-4 0 3730 2 14050 2.8484 74.1925 0005769 306.2731 54.7177 1.00269741 703 OSCAR 10 1 14129U 83 58 B 91 55.57882585 .00000085 00000-0 99999-4 0 6370 2 14129 25.8829 158.8436 5990053 219.9576 75.4840 2.05878121 29933 GPS-0008 1 14189U 83 72 A 91 58.46413640 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 9008 2 14189 63.4968 79.8693 0144294 224.4867 134.4066 2.00568768 55882 LandSat 5 1 14780U 84 21 A 91 59.77507228 .00000427 00000-0 99999-4 0 5377 2 14780 98.2490 121.4040 0001788 89.3243 270.8171 14.57100403372080 UoSat 2 1 14781U 84 21 B 91 60.09687576 .00003301 00000-0 60607-3 0 9270 2 14781 97.9206 108.8852 0012012 149.2154 210.9887 14.66303947373607 GPS-0009 1 15039U 84 59 A 91 53.65102138 .00000003 00000-0 99999-4 0 1666 2 15039 63.2401 79.1327 0028641 226.2083 133.6135 2.00566156 49061 Cosmos 1574 1 15055U 84 62 A 91 58.99503332 .00000170 00000-0 17116-3 0 317 2 15055 82.9519 233.7135 0028190 334.6616 25.3159 13.73414854335180 GPS-0010 1 15271U 84 97 A 91 55.59008626 -.00000021 00000-0 99999-4 0 62 2 15271 63.0840 317.6870 0112277 331.3656 28.0708 2.00563429 46217 Cosmos 1602 1 15331U 84105 A 91 59.60057297 .00007531 00000-0 99869-3 0 4895 2 15331 82.5375 123.0581 0021764 208.6980 151.3036 14.79578477345985 NOAA 9 1 15427U 84123 A 91 60.00671138 .00001423 00000-0 78586-3 0 7073 2 15427 99.1729 70.9190 0015357 11.9560 348.1977 14.12848339320240 GPS-0011 1 16129U 85 93 A 91 59.29801625 .00000004 00000-0 99999-4 0 7284 2 16129 64.0127 80.1390 0123453 148.0089 212.8154 2.00564630 39494 Mir 1 16609U 86 17 A 91 60.12358103 .00052813 00000-0 58326-3 0 2903 2 16609 51.6075 115.0938 0013929 353.8174 6.2465 15.62409428288248 SPOT 1 1 16613U 86 19 A 91 59.69068762 .00001363 00000-0 65753-3 0 2512 2 16613 98.7064 135.4621 0001293 136.6767 223.4516 14.20089499100332 Cosmos 1766 1 16881U 86 55 A 91 60.36131507 .00000753 00000-0 99999-4 0 3325 2 16881 82.5251 181.0763 0023063 223.1351 136.8155 14.78969489247148 EGP 1 16908U 86 61 A 91 50.85202188 -.00000025 00000-0 99999-4 0 3401 2 16908 50.0086 214.6139 0011694 104.5426 255.6708 12.44392558205692 NOAA 10 1 16969U 86 73 A 91 53.88031523 .00001416 00000-0 63395-3 0 5529 2 16969 98.5765 80.9476 0012373 260.5624 99.4157 14.23917603230284 MOS-1 1 17527U 87 18 A 91 60.07938896 .00000743 00000-0 57809-3 0 7570 2 17527 99.0801 133.9836 0000708 102.1046 258.0198 13.94899824205077 GOES 7 1 17561U 87 22 A 91 56.86775670 -.00000045 00000-0 99999-4 0 7319 2 17561 0.0618 268.9175 0002204 82.2191 8.8338 1.00270557 8113 Kvant-1 1 17845U 87 30 A 91 60.12355734 .00069877 00000-0 76800-3 0 4883 2 17845 51.6051 115.0960 0013776 353.2530 6.6781 15.62418782222976 DMSP B5D2-3 1 18123U 87 53 A 91 59.81042973 .00001744 00000-0 92954-3 0 8645 2 18123 98.8112 251.9730 0014744 16.7328 343.4332 14.14372899190673 RS-10/11 1 18129U 87 54 A 91 59.92188924 .00000428 00000-0 45835-3 0 5394 2 18129 82.9291 138.8645 0013146 123.4224 236.8239 13.72152865184749 Meteor 2-16 1 18312U 87 68 A 91 60.03160803 .00000223 00000-0 19236-3 0 6102 2 18312 82.5566 86.7348 0010878 255.9782 104.0203 13.83740103178508 Meteor 2-17 1 18820U 88 5 A 91 59.98965918 .00000662 00000-0 58067-3 0 4582 2 18820 82.5478 146.3224 0016063 328.5459 31.4741 13.84440764155719 DMSP B5D2-4 1 18822U 88 6 A 91 59.88808813 .00001251 00000-0 58540-3 0 8006 2 18822 98.6151 298.1593 0005586 251.0406 109.0184 14.21792837159295 Glonass 34 1 19163U 88 43 A 91 58.42324825 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 1797 2 19163 64.9187 150.6222 0007099 192.8151 167.1889 2.13102584 21589 Glonass 36 1 19165U 88 43 C 91 56.60312716 -.00000007 00000-0 -67261 2 0 1750 2 19165 64.8995 150.6839 0004334 329.5678 30.4228 2.13102095 21545 AO-13 1 19216U 88 51 B 91 53.11378759 -.00000126 00000-0 99999-4 0 2396 2 19216 56.8252 109.0878 7128019 247.8593 26.4295 2.09703733 20642 OKEAN 1 1 19274U 88 56 A 91 60.06425347 .00004574 00000-0 62486-3 0 593 2 19274 82.5151 280.0985 0021937 8.7603 351.3987 14.78252975142851 Meteor 3-2 1 19336U 88 64 A 91 60.06448328 .00000052 00000-0 11717-3 0 7095 2 19336 82.5440 95.7138 0018732 33.0749 327.1551 13.16913552124767 Glonass 39 1 19503U 88 85 C 91 58.96912119 -.00000017 00000-0 99999-4 0 1011 2 19503 65.4339 29.9654 0005129 208.6151 151.3544 2.13103611 19084 NOAA 11 1 19531U 88 89 A 91 58.30885065 .00001429 00000-0 80178-3 0 4628 2 19531 99.0168 12.3710 0011035 288.3921 71.6050 14.11942725124968 TDRS 2 1 19548U 88 91 B 91 58.04983405 .00000113 00000-0 99999-4 0 2334 2 19548 0.7490 80.7494 0001523 230.1933 49.0067 1.00274517 7474 Glonass 40 1 19749U 89 1 A 91 59.47970648 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 8830 2 19749 64.8620 150.2501 0006212 273.4102 86.5479 2.13101762 16629 Glonass 41 1 19750U 89 1 B 91 59.53785316 .00000020 00000-0 99999-4 0 9386 2 19750 64.8738 150.2704 0006268 251.2498 108.7209 2.13102294 16628 GPS BII-01 1 19802U 89 13 A 91 58.17527061 .00000017 00000-0 99999-4 0 2319 2 19802 55.0455 187.3559 0050904 163.2354 196.8890 2.00558153 14865 Akebono 1 19822U 89 16 A 91 59.20862343 .00040444 00000-0 24571-2 0 9490 2 19822 75.0790 112.1402 4111782 56.5684 336.3253 7.23683963 18181 Meteor 2-18 1 19851U 89 18 A 91 60.02883357 .00000114 00000-0 97659-4 0 4083 2 19851 82.5266 23.8250 0015151 10.4016 349.7467 13.84062106101092 MOP-1 1 19876U 89 20 B 91 56.56887326 .00000024 00000-0 99999-4 0 1803 2 19876 0.2641 44.4113 0000955 281.1935 34.3459 1.00267724 3203 TDRS 3 1 19883U 89 21 B 91 51.69564572 -.00000235 00000-0 99999-4 0 2307 2 19883 0.7266 79.1373 0001446 255.1676 25.6685 1.00271504 77386 GPS BII-02 1 20061U 89 44 A 91 58.00437706 -.00000034 00000-0 99999-4 0 2332 2 20061 54.8640 5.4895 0089842 183.4176 176.5173 2.00566400 12602 Nadezhda 1 1 20103U 89 50 A 91 59.06380471 .00000155 00000-0 15425-3 0 3053 2 20103 82.9596 96.4020 0039462 46.6941 313.7500 13.73650359 82845 GPS BII-03 1 20185U 89 64 A 91 57.34599602 .00000016 00000-0 99999-4 0 1766 2 20185 54.8906 188.1900 0021289 164.8064 195.2144 2.00568043 11161 GPS BII-04 1 20302U 89 85 A 91 41.91577973 -.00000024 00000-0 99999-4 0 1785 2 20302 54.4598 307.3315 0032510 329.9999 29.8633 2.00556091 9656 Meteor 3-3 1 20305U 89 86 A 91 60.06321791 .00000043 00000-0 99999-4 0 3211 2 20305 82.5481 36.8210 0016945 47.5625 312.6925 13.15939904 64736 -- Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 91 18:05:01 GMT From: crash!orbit!pnet51!schaper@nosc.mil (S Schaper) Subject: Re: Government vs. Commercial R&D Indeed, in a recent _Science News_ there was an ad for a book called something like _Great Mombo Chicken and the somethingorothers_ It is about Drexler and others, and someone who has designed a fifth dimensional hypervelocity space drive. Normally I would disregard, but this sounded like an actual scientist who actually designed the hardware for something he thought would work. Anyone out there have more information on this? ************************************************************************** Zeitgeist Busters! UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!schaper INET: schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org Aslan is on the move! **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 91 18:05:01 GMT From: crash!orbit!pnet51!schaper@nosc.mil (S Schaper) Subject: Re: the "face" Well, now, there are two types of `face fanatics'. One group is indeed the ufo/space aliens folks you are referring to, the other, such as participated with Hoagland at the start, and came to the conclusion that it was most likely not artificial (the city, anyway, the face is most peculiar, I do imagine that MO will set that to rest, though) should not be disregarded, they are simply curious open-minded scientists, having fun. I have the earlier book which was a compliation of a computer conference with the images and processing. Interesting read, you can see how a number of scientists start out interested, open-minded, then it starts looking like much of it is natural, and they are still curious, but object to the over-enthusiam some of them start getting. BTW the GIF is available, I could maybe send it if this node allows and someone wants it, or maybe that would be to much by far. Any ideas? ************************************************************************** Zeitgeist Busters! UUCP: {crash tcnet}!orbit!pnet51!schaper INET: schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org Aslan is on the move! **************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 91 16:14:00 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!watyew!jdnicoll@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (James Davis Nicoll) Subject: Re: Terraforming, ethics of human existance. In article <4264@orbit.cts.com> schaper@pnet51.orb.mn.org (S Schaper) writes: > > Heidi, > It sounds like you have a serious death wish. Get help. S, It sounds as though you confuse mental illness with philosophical differences. Get help. James Nicoll ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 91 20:28:10 GMT From: magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!lavaca.uh.edu!jetson.uh.edu!acsls@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Eddie A. McCreary) Subject: Re: URGENT: recent space trivia...Please help... In article <9103030208.aa05304@Bonnie.ics.uci.edu>, rhutchin@Bonnie.ICS.UCI.EDU writes: > I figure many of you in the sci.space community follow the public policy > end of things real closely, so I need a complete answer to the following. > I am currently involved in a heated debate about the subject. As such, I > won't tell you what side of the debate I'm on; I'll just pose the > questions. Please reply by e-mail, I usually don't read this group. > > 1. Did Dan Quayle, who as VP chairs the National Space Council (right?), > ever say something to the effect that Mars is a worthwhile goal becasue > there is air and water there, and thus men could live there easily? For about a year I had an article clipped from the Houston Chronicle posted in my room on this (No flames please, despite their comments on Usenet, they have better comics than the Post.) Apparently, the Vice-President was a guest on a CNN broadcast. This was right after President Bush announced his plan for a manned mission to Mars and they asked Mr. Quayle why we should go to Mars. He reply was that since we know that there are cannals on Mars, there must be water. And since there must be water, there must be air and we could walk around on the surface without any special gear. I'm sorry that I don't have a more concrete reference but I packed up that article when I moved and I am not really sure where it's at. The scary part is, you're right, he is chairman of the National Space Council... > Thanks all, > R. Hutchings -- Eddie McCreary |`The time has come,' the Walrus said, EMcCreary@uh.edu, Internet| `To talk of many things: EMcCreary@UHOU, BITNET |Of shoes-and ships-and sealing wax- University of Houston | Of cabbages-and-kings-' ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 91 23:15:34 GMT From: uokmax!jabishop@apple.com (Jonathan A Bishop) Subject: Re: chimps in space -- question acsls@jetson.uh.edu (Eddie A. McCreary) writes: >In article <1991Mar1.190836.10028@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu>, jabishop@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu writes: >Sorry, my fault. I meant to type Korabl Sputnik 2 and 3 which were in >1960, not '57. These are different from what commonly is called Sputnik, >aren't they?? _The History of Manned Space Flight_ byDavid Blake has >3 as carrying two dogs on a flight to test the life support system but >which burned up on re-entry. Anyone have another source? I stand corrected as to the payload of Sputnik 3. I don't know for sure why there might be a distinction between Korabl Sputnik and plain Sputnik; I speculate that the "Korabl" designation may be used by Russians to distinguish between Sputniks (e.g. 1,2,3,...) and sputniks ("satellites"). On second thought, that doesn't make much sense either since "korabl" just means "ship". -------- jabishop@uokmax.ecn.uoknor.edu "I'm with you, LEM, though it's a shame that it had to be you. The mother ship is just a blip from your train made for two. I'm with you, boys, so please employ just a little extra care. It's on my mind, I'm left behind when I should have been there." --Jethro Tull, "For Michael Collins, Jeffrey, and Me" ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #226 *******************