Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sat, 23 Feb 91 01:59:07 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sat, 23 Feb 91 01:59:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #194 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 194 Today's Topics: Re: Terraforming, sun shield Re: Commercially-funded Space Probes (was Re: Space Profits) Re: Magellan Update - 02/20/91 UN Moon Treaty (was Re: Commercially-funded Space Probes) Re: nuclear rockets Re: Doing What? Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Feb 91 07:13:55 GMT From: usc!samsung!crackers!m2c!jjmhome!lectroid!STRATUS.COM!tarl@rutgers.edu (Tarl Neustaedter) Subject: Re: Terraforming, sun shield In article <5705@optilink.UUCP>, cramer@optilink.UUCP (Clayton Cramer) writes: |> In article <28676.27c07594@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, 2fmzmumble@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: |> > Problem: Terraform Venus. Method: Orbit a large shield in front of the sun |> > to cut incident visible sunlight by 50%. Assume: Manufacturing and |> |> First problem -- it's own gravitation would cause it crush down to a |> little sphere in no time. Any object with a mass equivalent to a |> 200 mile sphere conforms itself into a round shape, rapidly. I'm |> afraid your shield won't last. Not necessarily. You could have the shield be spin-stabilized, which requires that the material be stretch and tear resistant but doesn't require any particular rigidity. As for maintaining position, the obvious answer is to put the shield in the lagrange-2 position between the sun & venus (refer to A.E.Roy's Orbital Motion, ISBN 0-85274-229-0 or any standard celestial mechanics text for details on lagrangian points), and some small active measures to maintain position (this lagrange point is unstable, so you have to continually correct your position). Since you're talking a large object with small mass, you could also use Robert Forward's "statite" concept (see Analog about 3-4 months ago, he also has filed for a patent). In this concept, the light pressure on the object itself is used for thrust; A solar sail. There are limits in which directions the thrust can be applied, and you probably have to balance object mass against amount of thrust available. Since the amount of thrust is defined by the amount of sunlight that you are blocking, you may actually have to add mass to your object to get the effect desired. You also need to use some of the thrust off-axis to precess the object about 1.5 degree/day so that the face stays pointing at the sun (this actually means having the center of thrust offset from the center of mass, and has all the wondrous problems of torque on a spinning object). If your object has no external thrusting available except light pressure, you would have to put it inside the L2 point (closer to the sun than 0.85 of venus orbit, roughly 16 million km from venus), and have the thrust be directly away from the sun (to account for the fact that you have to travel slower than orbital velocity to keep station with an object outside of your orbit). According to the back of my envelope, at that distance an object with a diameter of 200,000km produces a pinpoint umbra on the center of venus. The rest of venus is in a dense penumbra, so you've managed to cut out almost all of the sunlight reaching venus. Reduce the diameter to increase sunlight on venus. Once you determine how much sunlight you want to arrive, you can derive the size (diameter) of the object, and then you can derive mass and thrust figures as well. Tarl Neustaedter ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 91 17:50:25 GMT From: bonnie.concordia.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utzoo!henry@uunet.uu.net (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Commercially-funded Space Probes (was Re: Space Profits) In article yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes: >would there be any interest in commercially-funded space probes to >survey resource deposits in the asteroids, comets, Jovian moons, Moon, >Mars, etc? Very little. With the staggering costs of space transportation at present, it is very difficult to devise a scheme for exploiting such resources that could show a profit. Worse, any such venture is very long-term and quite risky by investment standards, which means that the payoff has to be huge to make it worthwhile. So far the market is very dependent on things like in-space activity -- importing space materials back to Earth is just too expensive at current launch prices -- and so the market is very uncertain and nobody wants to take a chance on it. >Part of the question is whether any companies have the foresight to >invest millions now to receive a return of billions in the future. If those billions looked like a sure thing, there would be no shortage. The trouble is that they are very uncertain billions. >If American corporations are too short-sighted, are European and Japanese >companies any better? Not very much. They're still in business to make money, and taking huge long-term risks is not usually in their best interests. The Japanese are mildly interested, but not to the point of spending hundreds of millions of dollars on early exploratory missions. -- "Read the OSI protocol specifications? | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology I can't even *lift* them!" | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 91 15:59:22 GMT From: magnus.ircc.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!lth.se!newsuser@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Magnus Olsson) Subject: Re: Magellan Update - 02/20/91 In article <1991Feb21.022020.1935@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > > MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT > February 20, 1991 [...] > The M1051 mapping command sequence with its associated radar control >parameter and mapping quaternion files was successfully sent to the spacecraft ^^^^^^^^ Are these the quaternions of Hamilton (i^2=j^2=k^2=ijk=-1)? And, in that case, what does quaternions have to do with the mappin of Venus? Magnus Olsson | \e+ /_ Dept. of Theoretical Physics | \ Z / q University of Lund, Sweden | >----< Internet: magnus@thep.lu.se | / \===== g Bitnet: THEPMO@SELDC52 | /e- \q ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 91 17:44:41 GMT From: rochester!sol!yamauchi@louie.udel.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: UN Moon Treaty (was Re: Commercially-funded Space Probes) In article <9324@hub.ucsb.edu> 3001crad@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Charles Frank Radley) writes: + The other part is the question of when space law will catch +up and establish guidelines for property rights in space. +There are enough asteroids and enough open territory on +planets and moons that I can't imagine too many fights over +the same resource deposit. On the other hand, we need a way +for a company to obtain rights to minerals on a world without +being able to claim the entire world (and prevent others from +mining it). Unfortunately you are too late. The United Nations Treaty on the Activities of States on the Moon and all Celestial Bodies, already prohibits the private property rites which you address. The resources of the solar system beyond earth are defined as Res Publica. This somewhat ill-defined term more or less translates as the common heritage of mankind. I believe this language is also used in the Law of the Seabed treaty. It calls for an international regime to regulate and TAX all revenues or extra-terrestrial mining operations of all member states. Member states are not permitted to authorize private mining operations. Yes, this treaty would have killed private enterprise in space -- if it had been ratified. Fortunately, the L5 Society came to the rescue and convinced Congress NOT to ratify the Moon Treaty. In fact, according to NSS literature, no major nation has ratified the Moon Treaty. This is without question the single most important action taken by a pro-space organization. It's reassuring to know that a group of space activists could triumph over the political power of the UN in this matter. Evidently, this treaty comes up for review again in 1992. Anyone know whether there is a serious risk of having it ratified this time? I hope you do not plan to defy the United Nations.......these days that can become very unpleasant. Actually, it's only unpleasant if you're a third world nation. If you're on the Security Council, you can do whatever you please -- it's one of the fringe benefits of being a superpower. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi University of Rochester yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu Department of Computer Science _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 91 12:41:06 GMT From: wuarchive!rex!samsung!umich!dgsi!gregc@louie.udel.edu (Greg Cronau) Subject: Re: nuclear rockets In article <1991Feb20.155444.6762@watdragon.waterloo.edu> jdnicoll@watyew.uwaterloo.ca (James Davis Nicoll) writes: >In article <620@newave.UUCP> john@newave.mn.org (John A. Weeks III) writes: >> >>The Pluto missile had a few startling side effects. It left a trail of >>radiation that severly contaminated its path. It also left any animal or >>person in its path deaf. Finally, with unlimited range, it was possible >>that one could get loose and not be stopped, eventually killing all life >>on Earth. Sounds like fun... > > Warning: Very Tangental Trivia Question follows > > I have these really dim memories of watching a movie back in the >60s about something that acted like that; lots of scenes consisting of >Norman Rockwell families together, followed by the screen going white. >The good guy dies of radiation poisoning doing something that stops the >runaway. Anyone have any idea what the film was called. > > James Nicoll Funny thing. When I first read this article, it also reminded me of that movie. In the movie, people were not just being killed by the radiation, but by the enormous heat of the object passing overhead. Basic plot: Alein thingy from gawd-knows-where goes into high speed(mach 30+) low earth orbit(10,000 feet?) and *doesn't* burn up. Has outer skin made of super-duperium. It's also under acceleration. It also appears to be robotic. Attempts to destroy it with missles fail because they can't get through the instensely heated plasma ball surrounding the thingy. Can't remember how they destroy it. Can't remember the name of the movie either, sorry. Seem to remember that it wasn't too bad from a scientific standpoint, but it's probably been 15-20 years since I saw it. gregc@cimage.com ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 91 17:40:05 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!engin.umich.edu!theslim@ucsd.edu (Eric Michael Slimko) Subject: Re: Doing What? In article , mcdaniel@adi.com (Tim McDaniel) writes: > In article <1991Feb21.022020.1935@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> > baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > > ... the Pioneer [Venus] orbiter is still very active. > > Doing what? I see the progress reports for old probes: "Pioneer 11 > attempted a UVS on MX2718281828.". Are these UVSes scientifically > useful? Are any of these probes doing anything scientifically useful? > (Well, I know the far-out ones are looking for a heliopause, but what > else?) > > In particular: is the Pioneer Venus orbiter collecting optical images > or using its radar (if any)? If not, why not, and what other > instruments does it have? > > Tim McDaniel Applied Dynamics Int'l.; Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA > Internet: mcdaniel@adi.com UUCP: {uunet,sharkey}!amara!mcdaniel I believe Pioneer Venus Orbiter is being used for gravity field research of Venus. Don't quote me on this, but I remember hearing that somewhere. (Its possible they were using OLD PVO data for the studies, I'm not sure) Eric Slimko theslim@caen.engin.umich.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #194 *******************