Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from hogtown.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Fri, 22 Feb 91 01:40:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Fri, 22 Feb 91 01:40:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V13 #186 SPACE Digest Volume 13 : Issue 186 Today's Topics: Re: Space Profits Re: SPACE Digest V13 #165 Re: Space Profits Re: dynasoar Commercially-funded Space Probes (was Re: Space Profits) Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription requests, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Feb 91 06:53:49 GMT From: zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent!crg5!szabo@uunet.uu.net (Nick Szabo) Subject: Re: Space Profits In article <9102202032.AA00483@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> TPM4017@PANAM.BITNET writes: >...It seems to me that the ultimate profitability of space will be > determined by what space allows us to produce and carry back to earth. >,,, These are very astute observations. Space industry and settlement cannot be undertaken unless it benefits Earth in a large way. The material, energy, and information resources of the solar system have the potential to do this. Keep in mind that producing information (eg weather satellites) and relaying information (communications satellites) are currently at the forefront of space industry. Energy and materials could come to the forefront in the future. > In particular, I am interested in material manufacturing in space, and >what might be mined on the moon or Mars. What types of useful/rare >materials might be/have been found on these worlds, Good questions. So far we haven't found anything like Sutter's Mill, but there are many tantalizing areas. Keep in mind that except for the Moon and Mars, the surfaces of our solar system bodies have been characterized only crudely if at all. Henry will be quick to point out that even the Moon and Mars could use quite a bit more exploration. The following is based on our best contemporary scientific knowledge, gained primarily through planetary exploration, astronomy, and meteorite examination. Two general categories of materials: those that can be exported to Earth directly (eg precious metals) and those that can feed exporting manufacturing industries (eg common metals and volatiles). The closest bodies to the Earth energy-wise are an estimated 100,000 near-earth asteroids of diameter larger than 100 meters. Some of these consist of native alloys of iron and nickel, with high, though probably unconcentrated, percentages of platinum-group metals. The precious metals alone can be worth tens of billions of dollars in the medium-sized (100 m dia) NiFe asteroids. There are probably also small pieces of asteroidal material near the surfaces of the Moon, Mars, and moons of Jupiter. Iron meteorites are small pieces of NiFe asteroid that have fallen to Earth. They sometimes contain tiny inclusions of diamond and other crystals. It is not known if these are native to the asteroids or a product of reentry. Simplifying things a bit, metals are only economical to mine if they occur in high concentrations, or "ores". The bases of ore formation are differentiation and hydrologic (water) processes. The planet richest in both of these is our own Earth. The only known body with greater geological differentiation is Io, which is dry. Other Galilean moons like Europa contain abundant water, a fair degree of differentiation, and unknown low-gravity hydrological processes. The rapid movement of these moons through the strong magnetic field of Jupiter introduces a unique new variable into ore formation, not unlike electrophoresis. In general most bodies (the asteroids, Moon, etc.) have very low levels of differentiation, and therefore probably fewer and less concentrated ore formations than Earth. Mars is somewhere in between, a low-gravity planet that once had running water. The volatiles (hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, etc.) are absent on the Moon and many of the asteroids. They are abundant in comets, Galilean moons, and some asteroids. There is a small chance that tiny pockets of volatiles exist in the shadowed areas of the lunar poles. Mars is rather dry but there could be significant water ice deposits underneath the surface. In general as you move away from the Sun, the amount of volatiles increases, and the amount of silicates and metals decreases. Overall, our assay of the solar system to date is poor. More astronomical observations, meteorite analysis, and planetary exploration missions to the Moon, asteroids, Mars, Jovian moons, and comets are needed. >how do we retrieve >them, should we retrieve them, and is it practical to bring them back to >earth. Without going into details, the energy cost of moving a 100 meter asteroid or other large mass through a large delta-v is prohibitive. Fortuneately we can "let the solar system do the work for us" -- through gravity well maneuvers and aerobraking. An interesting new idea (OK, my idea :-) allows aerobraking to be widely practiced. Given a budget of only 5 m/s machine-imparted delta-v, the opportunities for placing asteroids into Earth orbit via gravity well and natural aerobraking maneuvers are very few, while the opportunities for placing asteroids into collision courses with comets are high (billions per year, assuming we have discovered and tracked all of the asteroids and comets we believe to exist this side of Jupiter). A few small nuclear explosives can vaporize the comet into a shaped double cone towards and away from the path of the approaching asteroid. The angle of attack between the cone and asteroid can be fine-tuned through _large_ amounts of aerodynamic simulation to place asteroid in the desired trajectory, with a delta-v of up to 20 km/s, depending on the mass and velocity vector of the comet particles encountered. Depending on the situation, the cometary aerobraking may place the asteroid in the final trajectory, or the trajectory can be further modified by gravity slingshots and/or aerobraking. The environmental damage from a collision of even a medium-sized asteroid and Earth would be catastrophic. Regulations should be established, requiring at least 2 m/s of machine delta-v capability be present at all times on any maneuvered asteroid. Under no circumstances should an asteroid be maneuvered within 10 m/s delta-v of collision course with Earth. It is best if asteroids are brought no lower than geosynchronous orbit. >...what manufacturing >processes will gain an advantage by being performed in space as opposed >to earth-based production? Let me pull out the handbook, _Scientific Foundations of Space Manufacturing_ (Mir Press, 1984), available in finer university bookstores and engineering libraries. Based on Soviet experience with drop towers, sounding rockets, manned and unmanned orbital platforms. The relevant differences between Earth orbit and surface are microgravity and vacuum. In other parts of the solar system, very high amounts of energy from sunlight and motion through Jupiter's magnetic fields may be made available in the more distant future. Among the processes the Soviets have played around with (there are so many fascinating ones I'll just sort of read them off): electron-beam welding melting & solidification of metals applications of coating to metal surfaces stability of liquids under rotation mass transfer in melt crystal growth from solution containerless solidification of eutectic action of capillary forces behavior of gas inclusions in liquid brazing of metals multiphase fluids/shadow method dissolution & crystallization -- holographic measurement semiconductors & glasses alloys electron-beam evaporation/deposition of thin films electrophoresis stefanov crystal growth method interdiffusion morphological stability of faces production of foamed aluminum mass transfer in gas phase unidirectional solidification single-crystal growth by mass-solvent method liquid-phase epitaxy sublimation on a seed crystallization in a capillary constitutional supercooling acoustic & mechanical vibrations electronic & magnetic fields Take these processes, an asteroid, a comet, and large doses of thought and imagination, and the possibilities are, well, astronomical. Manufacturing processes in space can sometimes produce materials of greater purity or concentration than possible on Earth. However, they still compete with Earth processes. A case in point is the McDonnel Douglas project to manufacture the pharmaceutical erythropoetin using electrophoresis (charged particle separation) in microgravity during the mid-80's. Before they could perfect the technique, the biotech company Amgen had figured out a way to produce erythropoetin at one gravity via genetic engineering. Microgravity research continues to suffer from much higher transportation costs and longer turn-around times than Earth-based research. For sufficiently high-value, low-mass products the impact of high launch costs can be minimal, but the impact of long turn-around times for experimentation is a serious disadvantage for all kinds of space manufacturing. To sum up, we have many fascinating possibilities, and a lot to learn! -- Nick Szabo szabo@sequent.com Think long-term, act now. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 91 20:32:49 GMT From: emanon.cs.jhu.edu!arromdee@umd5.umd.edu (Kenneth Arromdee) Subject: Re: SPACE Digest V13 #165 In article 18084TM@MSU.BITNET (Tommy Mac) writes: > A) uses energy in any form for the organization of matter > B) experiences growth > C) reproduces .. >unarguable position of the Gaia Hypothesis. The only reasons not to accept it >at face value are: (as far as I can tell) >1) Gaia is childless >2) Our defenition of life is non-existent (Or so vague it's meaningless) >3) Our defenition of individual organisms is non-existent 4) In order to claim that functions by "parts of Gaia" are actually life functions, you have to make analogies that don't _completely_ fit. Sufficient selection of analogies can be used to prove that anything is alive; this is not a problem with the definition of life, but a problem with making excessive analogies. For instance, automobiles -- use energy -- experience growth (by performing functions for humans, in exchange for which the humans replace parts) -- reproduces (an automobile factory is a place for reproduction of automobiles; just because it's external doesn't mean it's not reproduction. Plus, automobiles play a part in maintaining the very economy that makes it profitable for automobile factories to work in the first place). -- "This theory of yours -- that painful memories can be surgically removed..." "I can't share details... one of my colleagues might steal my idea." --Brenda Starr, 12/25/90 Kenneth Arromdee (UUCP: ....!jhunix!arromdee; BITNET: arromdee@jhuvm; INTERNET: arromdee@cs.jhu.edu) ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 91 22:43:19 GMT From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!caen!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!bradley.bradley.edu!buhub!moonman@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Craig Levin) Subject: Re: Space Profits In <9102202032.AA00483@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> TPM4017@PANAM.BITNET writes: > In particular, I am interested in material manufacturing in space, and >what might be mined on the moon or Mars. What types of useful/rare >materials mightbe/have been found on these worlds, how do we retreive >them, should we retrieve them, and is it practical to bring them back to >earth. Of course there is a whole list of side issues that go along >with each one of these questions and I think that these are all fodder >for the discussion. For the time being, however, I would like to start >by getting some basic questions answered. First, what manufacturing >processes will gain an advantage by being performed in space as oppossed >to earth-based production? Second, what resources are known to exist on >the moon, or Mars, that would have a viable market back on Earth? I am >looking forward to reading your ideas and opinions. Mars has a variety of resources that are similar to those here, including water, iron, and silicon. However, it would be very hard to develop these resources in a cost-effective manner, due to the huge expenditures in fuel to get in & out of the Martian gravity well. IMHO, I'd prefer Luna. Not only does she have the iron and oxygen that Mars might, but titanium as well, plus similar metals such as the rare earths are easier to find there than here. Although you didn't include them, IMHO the minor planets have the best chance of really turning a profit if mined properly. As for processes and more information, I defer to people on the net who have more references/practical knowledge than I. Craig\The Moonman\Levin ***[]*** /////// moonman@buhub.bradley.edu )`-----// The Stars-Our Destination! ``````` ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 91 21:52:13 GMT From: bonnie.concordia.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utzoo!henry@uunet.uu.net (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: dynasoar In article <9102140928.AA05393@mozart.unx.sas.com> SNOMCB@mvs.sas.com (Mike Bishop) writes: > Can anyone tell me what ever became of the Dynasoar project? Dyna-Soar per se was killed, although low-level work on vaguely similar things has continued. Its problem was the lack of a mission, since the wingless spacecraft had already proved capable of doing almost everything Dyna-Soar could have done. > Was this an Air Force endevor? Yes. > It seems this was some sort of forerunner of the Shuttle. Only in a very loose way. Dyna-Soar would have gone up on top of a Titan; it had no substantial propulsion system of its own. -- "Read the OSI protocol specifications? | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology I can't even *lift* them!" | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 91 22:07:59 GMT From: rochester!sol!yamauchi@louie.udel.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: Commercially-funded Space Probes (was Re: Space Profits) In article <21195@crg5.UUCP> szabo@crg5.UUCP (Nick Szabo) writes: In article <9102202032.AA00483@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> TPM4017@PANAM.BITNET writes: >...It seems to me that the ultimate profitability of space will be > determined by what space allows us to produce and carry back to earth. These are very astute observations. Space industry and settlement cannot be undertaken unless it benefits Earth in a large way. The material, energy, and information resources of the solar system have the potential to do this. > In particular, I am interested in material manufacturing in space, and >what might be mined on the moon or Mars. What types of useful/rare >materials might be/have been found on these worlds, Good questions. So far we haven't found anything like Sutter's Mill, but there are many tantalizing areas. Keep in mind that except for the Moon and Mars, the surfaces of our solar system bodies have been characterized only crudely if at all. The precious metals alone can be worth tens of billions of dollars in the medium-sized (100 m dia) NiFe asteroids. Overall, our assay of the solar system to date is poor. More astronomical observations, meteorite analysis, and planetary exploration missions to the Moon, asteroids, Mars, Jovian moons, and comets are needed. Nick Szabo szabo@sequent.com Think long-term, act now. So here's an interesting question, especially for any people who have had experience dealing with the upper levels of the business sector -- would there be any interest in commercially-funded space probes to survey resource deposits in the asteroids, comets, Jovian moons, Moon, Mars, etc? Many different types of robot probes could fall into this category: penetrators, rovers, sample return missions, on-site sample analysis missions, etc. Part of the question is whether any companies have the foresight to invest millions now to receive a return of billions in the future. If American corporations are too short-sighted, are European and Japanese companies any better? The other part is the question of when space law will catch up and establish guidelines for property rights in space. There are enough asteroids and enough open territory on planets and moons that I can't imagine too many fights over the same resource deposit. On the other hand, we need a way for a company to obtain rights to minerals on a world without being able to claim the entire world (and prevent others from mining it). A simple rule for ownership might be based on a minimum amount of delta-v. So if someone sent an asteroid into Earth orbit, he could claim the entire asteroid as his property. If he just landed on the asteroid, he could only claim the amount of resources that he could load onto his ship. One could also add provisions for ownership of a certain amount of land area surrounding a permanent base. Above all, we need to avoid any sort of legislative quagmire like the late, unlamented UN Moon Treaty. -- _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi University of Rochester yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu Department of Computer Science _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V13 #186 *******************