Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 13 Nov 1990 02:12:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 13 Nov 1990 02:12:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V12 #539 SPACE Digest Volume 12 : Issue 539 Today's Topics: Re: Call for new news group : sci.space.seds Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap Magellan Update - 11/07/90 Space Station Work Package #3 Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery Dr. Robert Zubrin lecture Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery (was Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station) Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription notices, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 17:01:51 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!usc!jarthur!nntp-server.caltech.edu!iago.caltech.edu!irwin@ucsd.edu (Horowitz, Irwin Kenneth) Organization: California Institute of Technology Subject: Re: Call for new news group : sci.space.seds References: <1990Nov6.193929.6072@cc.ic.ac.uk> Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu In article <1990Nov6.193929.6072@cc.ic.ac.uk>, zmapj36@cc.ic.ac.uk (M.S.Bennett Supvs= Prof Pendry) writes... > >SEDS is one of the largest space student organisation in the world- USSEDS was >founded 10 years ago to put pressure on congress to uncancel a number of >probe missions - in this it was successful. > Just want to clear this up for the record...SEDS WAS NOT formed to put pressure on Congress to fund certain space probes (our friends in the UK seem to have this crazy notion, but I know not from where...). SEDS is a non-profit organization, and as such is limited to the rules governing such groups in terms of political lobbying. What SEDS (which by the way stands for Students for the Exploration and Development of Space) does is work to promote our goals through educational activities. While it is true that the members of SEDS can become politically involved (as US citizens we all have that right), we can't really do it as an organization, but simply as individuals. In fact, in the past few months, I have written a letter to several congressmen (concerning the SEI) as well as helped in the reelection campaign of Congressman George Brown (who appears to have won!). However, I did this not as a SEDS member, but rather as a concerned citizen (see the difference, Sean?). > >Now SEDS is growing into a multi-national organisation with branches across the >world (Italy, Tiwan, Canada). We have links with the ISU and Eurasia (the >European Space student group). > >We clearly need some means of giving people an easy mode of access other than >BITNET mail servers - NEWS would be an excelent method. > For anyone who is interested, there are two news groups that are devoted to SEDS information. One, called SEDSNEWS, is basically a rehash of much of the NASA info released on sci.space and sci.space.shuttle (probe and shuttle updates) as well as some other info of interest. The other deals mainly with the internal workings of SEDS as an organization, and has proven extremely helpful in terms of communications between students at widely scattered locations. It is called SEDS-L. If you are interested in receiving either of these, please contact me, and I'll forward the instructions on how to sign up for them. In the meantime, if ANYONE out there is curious about SEDS, and would like more info, I'll be more than happy to provide whatever you may need. We are looking to expand our organization, and would like to get contacts from interested high school and college students from around the world! BTW, I have been a member of SEDS since my freshman year at MIT (1982), and have had many wonderful experiences due to my involvement with SEDS. I really want to make SEDS available to anyone who is interested in humanity's future in space. > >I await your responses, if any - (would that mean you did not object?) > > Yours M.S.Bennett >-- >/------ ------- -----\ /------ | ====================== | >| | | \ | | M. Sean Bennett | >\-----\ |---- | | \-----\ | UKSEDS TECH.OFF. | > | | | / | | Janet:SEDS@CC.IC.AC.UK | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Irwin Horowitz |"Suppose they went nowhere?"-McCoy Astronomy Department |"Then this will be your big chance California Institute of Technology | to get away from it all!"-Kirk irwin@romeo.caltech.edu | from STII:TWOK ih@deimos.caltech.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 17:48:39 GMT From: van-bc!ubc-cs!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Henry Spencer) Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Subject: Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap References: <0093F2DB.F2D56F60@KING.ENG.UMD.EDU>, <1990Nov4.062813.29481@zoo.toronto.edu>, <1990Nov6.234925.26062@jato.jpl.nas Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu In article <1990Nov6.234925.26062@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@mars.UUCP (Ron Baalke) writes: >>??? They've never built a manned spacecraft at all, and as far as I recall >>offhand they have zero experience in "large platform" work. Their normal >>line of work -- unmanned deep-space exploration -- is as far from space >>stations as you can get and still be in space. > >JPL is involved with the Space Station program... Quite true. However, they still have zero experience with flying real manned hardware, which is what this particular branch of the discussion was about. -- "I don't *want* to be normal!" | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology "Not to worry." | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 19:21:15 GMT From: sdd.hp.com!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!jato!mars.jpl.nasa.gov!baalke@ucsd.edu (Ron Baalke) Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, CA. Subject: Magellan Update - 11/07/90 Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT November 7, 1990 The Magellan spacecraft is in good health, but is still in its Superior Conjunction mode. After several unsuccessful attempts to upload the series of commands to re-configure the spacecraft, a decision was made to postpone the restart of mapping. Command uploads were attempted at both X and S-band frequencies. Due to the difficulty with getting the spacecraft to accept the relatively simple configuration commands, it was considered very unlikely that uploading the longer mapping sequences and parameter files would be successful. The communications problems had been predicted by the DSN (Deep Space Network) when the Sun-Earth-Magellan angle was less than 2.5 degrees. During the approach to Superior Conjunction, no commanding was attempted inside of 2.0 degrees, so it is not surprising that there are problems at yesterday's 1.4 degrees. The present plan is to upload the mapping sequence on Friday, November 9, when the Sun-Earth-Magellan angle is 2.0 degrees. Execution of the sequence will begin with orbit #787 at 4:07 AM PST on Saturday, November 10. If mapping resumes as now scheduled, the "Superior Conjunction Gap" will include 110 orbits or about 22 degrees of longitude. This area will be mapped between June 26 and July 11, 1991 when Magellan again passes over. The SAR (Synthetic Aperture Radar) Data Processor produced 8 standard and one special image swaths yesterday. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| | | | | __ \ /| | | | Ron Baalke | baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |___ Jet Propulsion Lab | baalke@jems.jpl.nasa.gov /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| M/S 301-355 | |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ Pasadena, CA 91109 | ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 18:03:21 GMT From: psuvm!gws102@psuvax1.cs.psu.edu Organization: Penn State University Subject: Space Station Work Package #3 Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu I'm working on a co-op with GE Astro-Space, the contractor chosen to do the wor k on the APAE ( Attached Payload Accommodations Equipment). We recieved a stop work order from NASA on tuesday and I was wondering if anyone else had heard a ny more news about his or the status of the other Work Packages? Email can be sent to my PSU address. Glenn Szydlowski GWS102@PSUVM.PSU.EDU ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: Wed, 7 Nov 90 16:24:54 -0500 From: "Allen W. Sherzer" To: space+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery Newsgroups: sci.space In-Reply-To: <2669@polari.UUCP> References: <2666@polari.UUCP> <9011061342.AA16405@iti.org> Organization: Evil Geniuses for a Better Tomorrow Cc: In article <2669@polari.UUCP>: >(with one exception, Payloads Systems Inc >managed to slip through the net and flew an experiment on Mir. The >net has subsequently been tightened). They didn't 'manage to slip through the net'. They followed the correct procedures in an open and above board manner. >And US companies and government agencies are not allowed to permit >Soviet citizens to enter sites where aerospace work is being done. Reports say that a Soviet Cosmonaut will fly on a Shuttle within the next couple of years (a US Astronaut will also fly on Mir). I wonder how we will get the Cosmonaut onto the shuttle without allowing him onto a site where aerospace work is being done? > So you will get your Soyuz and maybe some manuals in Russian. >But nobody in the west will know how to launch or fly the thing, and >nobody from the USSR will be allowed to train the US personnel. The US company operating Cape Your will get extensive training on Zenit. Your statement here is minsiformed. > If you don't believe me, ask the Australian Cape York Space Agency >what is giving them their biggest headache.....they want to get a US >company to operate Soviet Zenit launch vehicles, and the US State >Dept is saying - "forget it !" Again, you're not up on current events. First of all, the State Department was an early and strong supporter of Cape York, it was DoD and Commerce who opposed it. Second of all, Cape York is a done deal. It will be designed and operated by a US company. It's not as hard as it looks. >But they will still need a $ 2 - 3 B crew shuttle and ACRV, it really >cannot be done for less, it needs to stand high G, re-entry, etc. >Non-trivial engineering issues. You have yet to justify that number. Your last cost estimate for Titan's was off by a factor of two. >Artifical gravity is neither necessary, nor helpful, for an Earth orbit >station, where crews are rotated every 90 days. True enough. On the other hand, it would be nice if you want to keep a crew up there for a year or so. Doing this would shave billions off life cycle costs. Allen -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ |Allen W. Sherzer| I had a guaranteed military sale with ED-209. Renovation | | aws@iti.org | programs, spare parts for 25 years. Who cares if it | | | works or not? - Dick Jones, VP OCP Security Concepts | ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 23:25:25 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!dahm.engin.umich.edu!sheppard@ucsd.edu (Ken Sheppardson) Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor Subject: Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery References: <2669@polari.UUCP>, <9011072124.AA13810@iti.org> Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu In article <9011072124.AA13810@iti.org> aws@ITI.ORG ("Allen W. Sherzer") writes: >In article <2669@polari.UUCP>: > >>And US companies and government agencies are not allowed to permit >>Soviet citizens to enter sites where aerospace work is being done. > >Reports say that a Soviet Cosmonaut will fly on a Shuttle within >the next couple of years (a US Astronaut will also fly on Mir). > >I wonder how we will get the Cosmonaut onto the shuttle without >allowing him onto a site where aerospace work is being done? > We recently (last month) had a group of Soviet citizens tour the facilities here at Langley. I certainly hope we aren't going to start disputing whether or not we here at LaRC are doing 'aerospace work' :) =============================================================================== Ken Sheppardson Email: kcs@sso.larc.nasa.gov Space Station Freedom Advanced Programs Office Phone: (804) 864-7544 NASA Langley Research Center FAX: (804) 864-1975 =============================================================================== ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 17:46:09 GMT From: phoenix!mcconley@princeton.edu (Marc Wayne Mcconley) Organization: Princeton University, Princeton, New Jersey Subject: Dr. Robert Zubrin lecture Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu Dr. Robert M. Zubrin, Senior Engineer at Martin Marietta Astronautics, will give a public presentation at Princeton University on Tuesday, November 13, at 7:30 pm. The topic of the presentation will be "Humans to Mars in 1999!" Zubrin will discuss an alternative plan for reaching the goals of the Space Exploration Initiative. Dr. Zubrin recently spoke at the 1990 International Space Development Conference, where his presentation received a standing ovation. Tuesday's lecture is sponsored by the Princeton Planetary Society, Princeton University's space interest organization and a chapter of the National Space Society. The lecture will take place in the auditorium of the McCormick Art and Archaeology Building on the Princeton University campus. Admission is free; parking is available. For more information, contact PPS president Audrey Robinson at (609) 258-7947. -- Marc W. McConley Vice President, Princeton Planetary Society Reply-To: mcconley@phoenix.Princeton.EDU || (609) 258-7674 ------------------------------ Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 0;andrew.cmu.edu;Network-Mail Date: 7 Nov 90 17:54:48 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@rutgers.edu (Henry Spencer) Organization: U of Toronto Zoology Subject: Re: LLNL Astronaut Delivery (was Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station) References: <2666@polari.UUCP>, <9011061342.AA16405@iti.org>, <2669@polari.UUCP> Sender: space-request@andrew.cmu.edu To: space@andrew.cmu.edu In article <2669@polari.UUCP> crad@polari.UUCP (Charles Radley) writes: >... (with one exception, Payloads Systems Inc >managed to slip through the net and flew an experiment on Mir. The >net has subsequently been tightened). References please. They didn't "slip through", they got proper permission for everything in advance, and as far as I know they're going ahead with their plans to fly more. Their payload is protein-crystallization experiments for drug development, and their comment was that the precautions needed to keep drug companies' materials secret from other companies far exceeded what the US government asked for to keep them secret from the Soviets. They also observed that the Soviets were willing to accept safety certification from an independent US lab (something that NASA would never have gone for). This eliminated any need to tell the Soviets what was inside the box or permit them to open it. > If you don't believe me, ask the Australian Cape York Space Agency >what is giving them their biggest headache.....they want to get a US >company to operate Soviet Zenit launch vehicles, and the US State >Dept is saying - "forget it !" References please. United Space Boosters Inc. had their application to participate approved a couple of months ago, admittedly after some delay and dithering. -- "I don't *want* to be normal!" | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology "Not to worry." | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V12 #539 *******************