Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Fri, 26 Oct 1990 03:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Precedence: junk Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Fri, 26 Oct 1990 03:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V12 #494 SPACE Digest Volume 12 : Issue 494 Today's Topics: Re: Theories needed on life Re: NAVY WITHOLDING EVIDENCE!!! Re: Pioneer 11 article Re: Pioneer 11 article Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap NASA Headline News for 10/23/90 (Forwarded) Re: NAVY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE!!! Re: Theories on Life Re: UFO on TV in Nevada Re: Hybrid replacements for SRB's (was: Man-rated SRBs Re: Theories needed on life Administrivia: Submissions to the SPACE Digest/sci.space should be mailed to space+@andrew.cmu.edu. Other mail, esp. [un]subscription notices, should be sent to space-request+@andrew.cmu.edu, or, if urgent, to tm2b+@andrew.cmu.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Oct 90 00:43:50 GMT From: sunc.osc.edu!malgudi!caen!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!csri.toronto.edu!wayne@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Wayne Hayes) Subject: Re: Theories needed on life In article <1251@geovision.UUCP> gd@geovision.uucp (Gord Deinstadt) writes: >Actually, it surprises me >that no creature on Earth ever evolved the ability to balloon around. We don't know that for sure. I'd say it's unlikely, but the being would probably be non-vertabrate (for weight reasons) and therefore be very unlikely to leave a fossil. -- "Dad, what should I be when I grow up?" "Honest." -- Robert M. Pirsig, _Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenence_. Wayne Hayes INTERNET: wayne@csri.utoronto.ca CompuServe: 72401,3525 ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 19:35:34 GMT From: cica!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!srhqla!demott!kdq@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (JIM GRAHAM) Subject: Re: NAVY WITHOLDING EVIDENCE!!! In article <835@demott.COM>, kdq@demott.COM (Kevin D. Quitt) writes... >In article <1050400040@cdp> nec@cdp.UUCP writes: >>everything vanished.....................As if I was never born!!! > > Tell, you what. You get me a copy of his fingerprints, and I'll >give you a copy of his birth certificate, drivers license and any other >identifying paperwork you choose to name. > Assuming he HAS any fingerprints......maybe they've taken those too. :-) -> ->Disclaimer: I'm not ashamed of what I say. <- <- Sorry if the above disclaimer is too long. __________________________________________________________ | Internet: graham@venus.iucf.indiana.edu | | UUCP: dolmen!graham@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu | | FIDO: Soon! | | BBS: The PORTAL DOLMEN, (812) 334-0418, 24hrs. | |__________________________________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 02:04:23 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!yarra!jlw@ucsd.edu (John Webb) Subject: Re: Pioneer 11 article In article <1990Oct23.222003.25365@zoo.toronto.edu>, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: > > ... The single most prominent > result is fairly strong negative evidence that there is no major tenth > planet. (The effects on the Pioneer/Voyager trajectories would have been > seen by now.) ... > What part of an orbit would such a planet have to be in so that it would (or would not) affect the Voyager/Pioneer trajectories noticeably ? John jlw@yarra.oz.au ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 14:40:35 GMT From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!wa4mei!ke4zv!gary@decwrl.dec.com (Gary Coffman) Subject: Re: Pioneer 11 article In article dlbres10@pc.usl.edu (Fraering Philip) writes: >In article <1990Oct22.174849.8934@jato.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes: > >.The story quotes NASA Ames Research Center Pioneer project chief >.Richard Fimmell as saying "if this condition can't be cleaned up, >.the mission is over as far as science is concerned." > >I thought there were plans to use the probe as a dumb radiosonde to test for >the presence of gravitational sources like Planet X, etc... by tracking >the telemetry. Even if nothing else works, it can still go -beep- -beep- >-beep-, right? I thought that the problem was that everything WAS working EXCEPT the beep beep beep. From all the public information I have seen the problem is a TRANSMITTER problem. Gary ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 00:47:12 GMT From: network.ucsd.edu!celit!dave@ucsd.edu (Dave Smith) Subject: Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap In article <17051@thorin.cs.unc.edu> leech@degas.cs.unc.edu (Jonathan Leech) writes: >In article <6762@hub.ucsb.edu>, 3001crad@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Charles Frank >Radley) writes: >|>Aha ! Ten years lifetime - that changes everything, do you have >|>any idea how much cheaper Fred would be if it only had a ten year >|>lifetime requirement ? > > Cheap enough that it would be cheaper to launch 3 of them? Does it really make sense to design, today, a station to last 30 years? We have little experience with what makes a good space station. We might be much better off designing a throw-away station and then replacing it in 5 years. There's this strange mindset running around that says we can design something we know nothing about right the first time. This mindset brings us OSI, Space Station Fred, etc. It's time to face reality. We don't design things right the first time and it's ridiculously expensive to try to. Evolution of our designs is necessary and can not be done away with by fiat. -- David L. Smith FPS Computing, San Diego ucsd!celerity!dave or dave@fps.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 22:11:53 GMT From: thorin!degas!leech@mcnc.org (Jonathan Leech) Subject: Re: You Can't Expect a Space Station to be Cheap In article <6762@hub.ucsb.edu>, 3001crad@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu (Charles Frank Radley) writes: |>Aha ! Ten years lifetime - that changes everything, do you have |>any idea how much cheaper Fred would be if it only had a ten year |>lifetime requirement ? Cheap enough that it would be cheaper to launch 3 of them? ------------------------------ Date: 24 Oct 90 01:12:18 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: NASA Headline News for 10/23/90 (Forwarded) Headline News Internal Communications Branch (POC) NASA HQ Tuesday, October 23, 1990 Audio Service: 202/755-1788 This is NASA Headline News for Tuesday, October 23, 1990 At the Kennedy Space Center, the call-to-stations for the Atlantis tanking test came about, on schedule, at 7:00 am EDT this morning. Atlantis is on Pad 39-A, awaiting tomorrow's test. At 10:00 pm EDT tonight, the Rotating Service Structure will be rolled back. At 7:00 am EDT tomorrow, normal tanking procedures will be initiated and liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen will begin to flow into Atlantis' external tank. The oxygen flow is mainly to verify the status of the relief line replacement, and will be terminated once this has occurred. The liquid hydrogen flow will involve two test segments. The first will be the transition to fast fill without recirculation pumps; the second will be a fast fill with recirculation pumps running. The tanking test is expected to last about one hour. KSC management and Atlantis flow team members are confident that the test will show Atlantis in a solid, flightworthy, condition. The tanking test will be covered live on NASA Select TV, beginning at 6:00 am tomorrow. Out on Pad 39-B, workers continue to prepare Columbia for its tanking test, set for Monday, Oct. 29. Foam insulation is being installed in Columbia's aft compartment, along with additional leak detection instrumentation. Discovery is in the Orbiter Processing Facility where work continues to refurbish the vehicle following its STS-41 mission. The tail cone has been removed and is being prepared for shipment back to California. Technicians opened Discovery's payload bay doors yesterday and will begin reconfiguration work inside it today. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Scientists at the Lewis Research Center's Structures Division are working with medical specialists at Case Western Reserve University to design prosthetic devices which can be custom fitted to patients, increasing by three times the expected life of the prosthesis. NASA Lewis scientist Dr. Christos Chamis is modifying computer programs designed for aerospace analysis to assist in the design of prosthetic knee joints. The biomechanical goal of this work is to design a joint which offers better material compatibility, mobility, and durability. After the knee joint work is completed, the team will study other prosthetic body joints. Here's the broadcast schedule for Public Affairs events on NASA Select TV. All times are Eastern. **indicates a live program. Tuesday, 10/23/90 12:00 pm NASA Productions. 2:00 pm Replay of Hubble Space Telescope science briefing from Monday, Oct. 22. 6:00 pm NASA Productions repeats. Wednesday, 10/24/90 6:00 am **Atlantis tanking test from KSC, with accompanying commentary. All events and times may change without notice. This report is filed daily, Monday through Friday, at 12:00 pm, EDT. It is a service of Internal Communications Branch at NASA Headquarters. Contact: CREDMOND on NASAmail or at 202/453-8425. NASA Select TV: Satcom F2R, Transponder 13, C-Band, 72 degrees West Longitude, Audio 6.8, Frequency 3960 MHz. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 90 08:53:43 PDT From: greer%utdssa.dnet%utadnx@utspan.span.nasa.gov X-Vmsmail-To: UTADNX::UTSPAN::AMES::"space+@andrew.cmu.edu" Subject: Re: NAVY WITHHOLDING EVIDENCE!!! In SPACE Digest V12 #485, sgi!cdp!nec@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU writes: > "UFO CENTRAL" > The Forbidden City > Area# 51 > >Produced by: Audrey Lauin >Reported by: Bill McGowen both of "Current Affair(10/11/90)8:00p.m. > >...(stuff about "DREAMLAND" deleted) > >An Electro Physicist named: Bob Lazar known for his work with Los Alamos >Meson Physics facility along with his many years with NASA has come forward >with information on the Navy's (9) captured disks(U,(UFOs). He was employed >and/or assigned to analize one of these crafts. He Says: 'these things ^^^^^^^ Ouch!! I bet that hurt!!!! (Hint: the correct spelling is "analyze".) >...(other stuff deleted) > >Something should be done to force these criminals to release these glorious >things that belongs to the American people; NOT THE GOD DAMBED NAVY!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^ Watch your language!?!?!?! _____________ Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused with those of the Center for Space Sciences, U.T. at Dallas, UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER "I did not make this up." -- Lou Frank, _The Big Splash_ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 01:13:00 GMT From: sun-barr!ccut!wnoc-tyo-news!astemgw!choshi!frf!rtang@rutgers.edu (Raymond Tang) Subject: Re: Theories on Life re: about creatures that "balloon" around on earth, What about a Jelly fish!?! -- >>>>>> Ray Tang rtang@nff.ncl.omron.co.jp <-email ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 10:12:00 GMT From: swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!munnari.oz.au!bruce!monu1!monu6!steve@ucsd.edu (Steve Balogh) Subject: Re: UFO on TV in Nevada In article <1091700005@cdp> dyurman@cdp.UUCP writes: > >HERE'S A HOT ONE FROM SCI SPACE. I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR >THE CONTENTS, JUST ROLLING ON THE FLOOR WITH LAUGHTER. > >Later - dyurman@cdp.uucp > >///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// > >/* Written 8:09 pm Oct 22, 1990 by nec in cdp:sci.space */ >/* ---------- "NAVY WITHOLDING EVIDENCE!!!" ---------- */ > > "UFO CENTRAL" > The Forbidden City > Area# 51 > >Produced by: Audrey Lauin >Reported by: Bill McGowen both of "Current Affair(10/11/90)8:00p.m. > [ a whole heap of rubbish deleted ] > >Something should be done to force these criminals to release these glorious >things that belongs to the American people; NOT THE GOD DAMBED NAVY!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ATTITUDE IS SICKENING!!! Audrey Lauin has her head stuck so far up her backside that it pokes out her mouth!!!! Same goes to Bill McGowen. Does the rest of Humanity not exist?? Steve ----_--_-_-_--_-__-_------_-__---_-___-_----_-____-_-_--__-_--_--___-_-_-_--__-_ Steve Balogh (Network Manager) VK3YMY | steve@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au Monash University (Caulfield Campus) | 37 52'38.8"S 145 02'42.0"E ...ICBM PO Box 197, Caulfield East | +61 3 573 2266 Voice (Office) Melbourne, AUSTRALIA. 3145 | +61 3 571 3646 Fax ------------------------------ Date: 23 Oct 90 17:19:25 GMT From: wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!cfctech!teemc!fmeed1!cage@decwrl.dec.com (Russ Cage) Subject: Re: Hybrid replacements for SRB's (was: Man-rated SRBs In article <1990Oct21.234530.27141@zoo.toronto.edu> henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <8496@fmeed1.UUCP> russ@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (Russ Cage) writes: >>+ Hybrids are safer to transport, assemble and stack (as in "no danger"). > >Sorry, wrong. Hybrids still require transportation of a liquid oxidizer, Not the way I meant it (which was away from the launching pad). A hybrid rocket doesn't need oxidizer present anywhere near it until it is being filled for launch. The precautions needed for the transportation, assembly, and stacking of SRB's are not required. The fuel is, quite literally, as safe as the rubber in the tires on the trucks moving it. Contrast this with SRB stacking, which requires that all non-essential personnel be evacuated from the VAB. There is no comparison. -- Russ Cage Ford Powertrain Engineering Development Department Work: itivax.iti.org!cfctech!fmeed1!cage (CHATTY MAIL NOT ANSWERED HERE) Home: russ@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us (All non-business mail) Member: HASA, "S" division. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Oct 90 17:26:08 GMT From: usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!maverick.ksu.ksu.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!midway!quads.uchicago.edu!pab1@ucsd.edu (paul andrew braier) Subject: Re: Theories needed on life In article <1990Oct24.204350.10346@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> wayne@csri.toronto.edu (Wayne Hayes) writes: >In article <1251@geovision.UUCP> gd@geovision.uucp (Gord Deinstadt) writes: >>Actually, it surprises me >>that no creature on Earth ever evolved the ability to balloon around. > >We don't know that for sure. I'd say it's unlikely, but the being would >probably be non-vertabrate (for weight reasons) and therefore be very >unlikely to leave a fossil. Actually, although the medium is not the one you guys had in mind, Portugese men-of-war, a symbiotic creature composed mostly of jelly-fish DOES have a balloon that keeps it on the surface. Many species of seaweed also have airbags to keep them vertical, and most fish have an air sac called the 'swim bladder' that helps them to regulate depth. --- Paul A. Braier pab1@quads.uchicago.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V12 #494 *******************