Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Fri, 4 May 90 03:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Fri, 4 May 90 03:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V11 #355 SPACE Digest Volume 11 : Issue 355 Today's Topics: NASA Headline News for 05/03/90 (Forwarded) Hubble1 0Trouble An End to Micromanagement (was Fun Space Fact #1) The 'real world' (was Fun Space Fact #1) mail problem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 May 90 16:45:02 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: NASA Headline News for 05/03/90 (Forwarded) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, May 3, 1990 Audio Service: 202/755-1788 ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is NASA Headline News for Thursday, May 3... Work progresses smoothly on the space shuttle Discovery for a Saturday arrival at the Kennedy Space Center. The STS-31 astronaut crew will meet with news media at the Johnson Space Center next week, Wednesday, May 9, to discuss the recent mission and the successful release of the Hubble Space Telescope. The noon conference will highlight the mission with a slide and video presentation by the crew and media questions. The Discovery achieved the record high altitude at 330 nautical miles. ******** At Kennedy Space Center, workers have completed a hot fire test of the auxiliary power unit #3 on the orbiter Columbia. Because the rotating service structure was rolled back for the hot fire test, the payload bay doors were closed and will remain so until the ordnance devices are installed on Columbia over the weekend. The payload bay doors will be opened Monday to permit Argon servicing to the Astro-1 payload. The target launch date remains May 17. ******** William W. L. Taylor has been named Chief Scientist for the Space Station Freedom program. Taylor will serve as principal advocate for the space science community in the space station program. He worked at TRW as the Assistant Department Manager of the Physical Sciences Department of the Applied Technology Division. And, was a principal investigator in science experiments carried aboard the 6-year flight of the Long Duration Exposure Facility. ******** Technology 2000, NASA's first national technology conference, will highlight new ideas on November 27 and 28. Speakers and exhibitors will focus on research in the Mission to Planet Earth and the National AeroSpace Plane as well as activities involved in the lunar base and the Mission to Mars. Also, potential commercial applications that will provide innovative ways to improve daily life will showcase the event. ******** NASA's new mobile teacher resource center, LASER will be on display tomorrow and open to hundreds of District of Columbia teachers during the U.S Department of Education's 10th anniversary celeration. Teachers and students are encouraged to tour this new resource and attend the ceremony at noon in front of the NASA/Education building at 400 Maryland Street. ******** ---------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the broadcast schedule for Public Affairs events on NASA Select TV. All times are Eastern. Wednesday, May 9 12:00 Noon STS-31 crew post flight news confernce at Johnson Space Center. Thursday, May 10 11:31 A.M. NASA Update will be transmitted. All events and times are subject to change without notice. Please note, due to coverage of the STS-31 flight scheduled for May 16, NASA Update will transmit next week, May 24. ----------------------------------------------------------------- These reports are filed daily, Monday through Friday, at 12:00 Noon, EDT. This is a service of the Internal Communications Branch, NASA Headquarters. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 90 13:52 EDT From: Mark C. Widzinski Subject: Hubble1 0Trouble Character-Type-Mappings: (1 0 (NIL 0) (:SWISS :BOLD :LARGE) "HL14B") Fonts: CPTFONT, HL14B Date: 1 May 90 16:12:46 GMT From: news-server.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@rutgers.edu (Henry Spencer) 1Subject: Re: Hubble Trouble 0 In article <9951@cbnewsh.ATT.COM> lmg@mtqub.ATT.COM (lawrence.m.geary,mt,) writes: >... Dumb question: With all the early problems >they were having with HST, why didn't they have the shuttle stay >around just a little longer, so they could go back and fix it? Well, among other things, extra stay time in orbit means more mass for consumables, and it's difficult to reconcile that with getting HST into the highest possible orbit. For example, Discovery had enough fuel to return to HST if the telescope's lid had refused to open... but only *just barely* enough. There had to be some specific rule about when Discovery's responsibility ended and HST was on its own. The cutoff point that was chosen was, in fact, the opening of the lid. -- Does this mean that once the lid is open, it won't be closed? If not, when will the lid be closed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 13:05:41 PST From: mordor!lll-tis!ames!ucsd!pnet01.cts.com!jim@angband.s1.gov (Jim Bowery) To: crash!angband.s1.gov!space@angband.s1.gov Subject: An End to Micromanagement (was Fun Space Fact #1) Fred McCall writes: >Yes, NASA needs lots of changes. I can think of bunches myself. >But, a large part of what needs changed is being mandated by >micro-management of programs by the next highest layer of >bureaucracy, and that problem extends all the way to Congress. So I >say to fix it where it *starts*, at the top. I agree with Fred McCall on this issue except I'm sure he won't like the WAY I agree with him. :-) Under no circumstances should we find our Congressmen debating with NASA managers about the details of budget, schedule and the perversities of technical developments. The sooner that kind of garbage ends, the sooner we can look forward to real progress in space. Congress is not competent to manage or oversee technically complex projects and therefore should not attempt to do so. It should, instead, prioritize RESULTS and associate funds with those RESULTS. All funding should be COD, to WHOEVER DELIVERS FIRST. What do NASA's space centers do? Who cares? Maybe sell them off to the highest bidder and/or let them go belly up, hopefully as soon as possible. By "RESULTS" I mean those things which are of intrinsic value (from a taxpayer standpoint) and objectively verifiable by appropriate Congressional subcommittees or their delegates. This can be anything from a high resolution gamma-ray map of the moon to a giant inflatable Dan Quayle painted day-glow yellow and placed in polar orbit. If no one delivers RESULTS on an item, Congress can either increase the associated COD payment or retire the cash reserve. No money wasted. This is a more general version of a proposal I've been circulating around Congressional staffers on a "National Science Trust" which would pay out for delivery of quantifiable information, such as digital maps at various frequencies, etc. of various bodies and atmospheres. --- Typical RESEARCH grant: $ Typical DEVELOPMENT contract: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 90 11:54:08 PST From: mordor!lll-tis!ames!ucsd!pnet01.cts.com!jim@angband.s1.gov (Jim Bowery) To: crash!space@angband.s1.gov Subject: The 'real world' (was Fun Space Fact #1) Fred McCall writes: >Welcome to the 'real world' of cost estimating, budget and schedule >projection, and marketing. If the budgetary process was set up so >that people could give realistic estimates and get the money they >need to meet them without having things micro-managed by folks who >don't understand or care about what is involved and who want to >nickel and dime a project to death, perhaps this wouldn't be the >normal pattern. > >But it is. And you don't change it by just 'bashing' on the people >who do it. In fact, that just tends to make it worse. I still >maintain that insofar as anything purchased by a bureaucracy ever >does, the original Shuttle would have met its targets if given >adequate funding. Welcome to the 'real world' of economics and government where communism, socialism, fascism (national socialism) and capitalism compete for the hearts and minds of people. In this competition, captialism eventually wins while the others waste millions of lives and entire economies. Close association of "private" contractors with managing civil servant bureaucracies is a form of fascism -- the governmental/economic form adopted in all aspects of Germany and Italy just prior to WW II. It, like the other forms of socialism, is appealing and catastrophic in that it is usually imposed as an "emergency measure" to "take control" of a bad situation (MCC, US Semiconductor, HDTV, and NASA are all examples of such government "initiatives"). Then, as it makes the situation even worse, there is ever greater outcry for even more government intervention via hysterical "initiatives" to fix things. This positive feedback increases catastrophically until the fascists are forced to create dramatic diversions to protect themselves from growing public outrage -- a measure that, while failing to protect them from eventual execution, allows them to stay in power long enough to inflict profound destruction above and beyond the original catastrophe. What changes things is to renounce the national socialism of the "space program" for the harsh yet redeeming uncertainties of entreprenuerial space activities. --- Typical RESEARCH grant: $ Typical DEVELOPMENT contract: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 14:38:41 PST From: mordor!lll-tis!ames!ucsd!trout.nosc.mil!crash!pnet01!crash!crash_mailer_daemon@angband.s1.gov To: pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!calmasd!mas@angband.s1.gov Subject: mail problem Trouble sending mail on `crash', Wed Feb 28 13:37:15 1990 ============ Transcript follows ============ 1!pro-abyss!pro-harvest!warlock 0 alias errors bad system name: 1 uux failed ( 11 ) mail.local.r: uux execution error Can't send to: 1!pro-abyss!pro-harvest!warlock 1 delivery errors 1 total errors ============== Message follows ============= >From pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!calmasd!mas Wed Feb 28 13:37:15 1990 remote from crash Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA01487; 28 Feb 90 13:37:15 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA00929; 28 Feb 90 12:36:15 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA00607; 28 Feb 90 11:42:09 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA29976; 28 Feb 90 10:36:36 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA29355; 28 Feb 90 09:37:40 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA28611; 28 Feb 90 08:39:00 PST (Wed) Received: by calmasd.Prime.COM (5.51/smail2.5) id AA17014; Wed, 28 Feb 90 08:18:18 PST Message-Id: <9002281618.AA17014@calmasd.Prime.COM> Received: by ebony.calmasd.Prime.COM (5.57/Ultrix2.4-C) id AA00687; Wed, 28 Feb 90 08:18:13 PST Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 08:18:12 PST From: mas@calmasd.Prime.COM (Marisa SorBello . . . X3185) To: "warlock@pro-harvest.cts.com"@EBONY Subject: I have no idea why I got this, but I think it's for you. From: EBONY::"crash!pnet01!crash!crash_mailer_daemon" 28-FEB-1990 05:21:44.68 To: pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!nosc!relay.EU.net!quando!henigan CC: Subj: mail problem Trouble sending mail on `crash', Wed Feb 28 04:17:17 1990 ============ Transcript follows ============ 1!pro-abyss!pro-harvest!warlock 0 alias errors bad system name: 1 uux failed ( 11 ) mail.local.r: pipe to uux: write error mail.local.r: uux execution error Can't send to: 1!pro-abyss!pro-harvest!warlock 1 delivery errors 1 total errors ============== Message follows ============= >From pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!pnet01!crash!nosc!relay.EU.net!quando!henigan Wed Feb 28 04:17:17 1990 remote from crash Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA24807; 28 Feb 90 04:17:17 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA24623; 28 Feb 90 03:57:13 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA24467; 28 Feb 90 03:37:36 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA24256; 28 Feb 90 03:16:52 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA23940; 28 Feb 90 02:56:49 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA23408; 28 Feb 90 02:36:19 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA23263; 28 Feb 90 02:16:46 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA22862; 28 Feb 90 01:58:56 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA22535; 28 Feb 90 01:36:25 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA22172; 28 Feb 90 01:20:23 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA21880; 28 Feb 90 00:56:25 PST (Wed) Received: by crash.cts.com (smail2.5) id AA21623; 28 Feb 90 00:45:59 PST (Wed) Received: from mcsun.eu.net by trout.nosc.mil (5.59/1.27) id AA16701; Wed, 28 Feb 90 00:10:51 PST Received: by mcsun.EU.net with SMTP; Wed, 28 Feb 90 09:08:46 +0100 (MET) Received: from quando.uucp by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with uucp via EUnet (UNIDO-2.0.0.c) for mcsun.eu.net id AI24562; Wed, 28 Feb 90 08:27:55 +0100 From: henigan@quando.quantum.de (Kevin Henigan) Message-Id: <9002280709.AA12783@quando.quantum.de> Received: by quando.quantum.de; Wed, 28 Feb 90 08:09:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Titan Software - part 02 of 02 To: warlock@pro-harvest.cts.com (Jamie Coe) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 90 8:09:43 MET DST In-Reply-To: <9002211217.AA07351@hp-sdd.sdd.hp.com>; from "Jamie Coe" at Feb 20, 90 11:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL14] Here is part 2 of 2 again, I hope it works this time.. Let me know if it does/did. 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