Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Thu, 15 Mar 90 02:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Thu, 15 Mar 90 02:12:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V11 #151 SPACE Digest Volume 11 : Issue 151 Today's Topics: SPS cost-effectiveness (was Re: Large vs. Small scale.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Mar 90 03:28:31 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!b-tech!kitenet!russ@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Russ Cage) Subject: SPS cost-effectiveness (was Re: Large vs. Small scale.) [Please follow-up to whichever group is appropriate.] In article <1990Mar11.152345.11614@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: >This isn't obvious to me, Russ. Yes, you won't need big vacuum >chambers (although one would still need a gas-tight vessel for some >processes, like deposition of a-Si:H from a plasma), I doubt that such processing would be used. It would be much simpler to vaporize elemental silicon with a solar furnace and deposit it on a substrate. It could be doped either while being deposited or afterward, by ion implantation. No pressure chambers required. >but other costs >will be much higher than for ground-based manufacturing. Some of them will be. Some will be exactly the opposite. For instance, process heat will be INCREDIBLY cheaper. A square km of mirror, massing a few tons, intercepts better than a gigawatt of sunlight. A plant separating ferrous metals using the carbonyl process could process its own mass every 8 hours [hearsay], with nothing more than solar heat required. Incredible amounts of energy are not needed. Example: The Apollo 12 lunar samples ran about 20% FeO by weight. Assuming 1 MT/yr of regolith into orbit, I calculated how much power it would take to break down 200 kT of FeO into Fe and O each year. I got a figure of about 24 megawatts. If the objective is to produce multi-GW powersats, making 24 MW of power locally is a pretty simple first part of bootstrapping the operation. (This is assuming that the refining cannot be done thermally; mirrors are cheaper, simpler and lighter than PV panels by a long shot.) >The cost of >keeping people in orbit is currently on the rough order of $100K *per >hour*. Even if you drop that by a factor of 100, space-based labor >will still be extremely expensive. I think I know where you got that number: ($100K/crewmember-hr)*(24 hrs/day)*(11 days)*(7 crewmembers) = ~$185,000,000 or on the rough order of the price of a Shuttle launch, with the capacity of a Shuttle crew and the length of a Shuttle orbital stay. Guess what? You're comparing apples and oranges. Having people work a 3-year hitch, with NO OTHER CHANGES, drops the cost by two orders of magnitude right there. They will go up on cheaper vehicles or in bigger groups; a 50-seat Spacelab-style "Shuttle Bus" module could certainly be built, and would cut personnel launch costs by nearly another order of magnitude. We're already down to investment banker wage costs, without yet replacing Shuttle as the launcher. Compare the cost of saturation diving to divers operating from the surface to deep depths, and you'll find that the technology and logistics have enormous effects on the cost per worker-hour even here on earth. You can't make meaningful comparisons without taking these things into account. >Similarly, the cost of >transporting the equipment and spare parts to the factory will be much >higher, per pound, for space manufacturing. Very true! On the other hand, if the proper technologies are chosen to use the properties of the space environment to good effect (cheap heat, high vacuum, etc.) each pound may be able to do many times the work it could down here. For instance, a square foot of solar panel receives many times the sunlight in space that it could on earth (at least 4x in summer). A gadget to sublime or sputter silicon onto a substrate must be much bigger and heavier here. Et cetera. Without looking at all the angles and opportunities for economies, you can't make realistic projections of the cost of SPS. I lean toward the L5/SSI/LLNL-type thinkers on this one, they are more often right about the technical details and possibilities. -- I am paid to write all of RSI's opinions. Want me to write some for you? (313) 662-4147 Forewarned is half an octopus. Russ Cage, Robust Software Inc. russ@m-net.ann-arbor.mi.us ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V11 #151 *******************