Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Fri, 8 Dec 89 01:35:24 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Fri, 8 Dec 89 01:35:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V10 #321 SPACE Digest Volume 10 : Issue 321 Today's Topics: Signoff NASA Headline News for 12/07/89 (Forwarded) NRC assistantship... Re: Manned vs Unmanned Mission to Mars Re: Mars Mission Agenda Re: SPACE Digest V10 #317 Prizes vs Subsidies (was Re: Mars Mission Agenda) Hearings on HR2674 (1 of 6) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 89 12:27:56 EDT From: GCS_FLUK1@VAXB.STEVENS-TECH.EDU (Smile, and foil those who have evil plans for thee) Subject: Signoff Signoff ------------ ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 89 19:12:58 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: NASA Headline News for 12/07/89 (Forwarded) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Thursday, December 7, 1989 Audio: 202/755-1788 ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is NASA Headline News for Thursday, December 7.... The Jet Propulsion Laboratory reports that all is well aboard the Galileo spacecraft. The interplanetary craft is presently 9 and quarter million miles from Earth. Since launch, fifty days ago, Galileo has traveled 71 million miles along its curved path to Venus where it will get its first gravity assist boost on an almost 2-1/2 billion mile, six year journey to Jupiter. The Galileo's operational systems continue to be checked out. scientific instruments will be undergo a thorough check out later this month. The reduction to the NASA FY 1990 budget will amount to $155.2 million. The cut is much less than the $589 million that would have been slashed had congress permited the 5.3 percent across- the-board cut under the Gramm-Rudman deficit reduction act. Aerospace Daily reports that an agency operating plan due on Capitol Hill December 9 may be extended to allow NASA offices more time to adjust to the reductions. Launch preparations for the next space shuttle mission continue at Kennedy Space Center. Although December 18 has been set for launch of the Columbia, the first use of Launch complex 39A in several years may create some prelaunch problems and result in a possible launch delay. Shuttle launch managers report that so far they have not run into any problems in the prelaunch processing. An unmanned module has finally been docked with the Soviet's Mir space station. The 40-ton Kvant-2 will add a shower and sink to the Mir station living facilities, an experiment area and a Buran space shuttle docking port. The module also carries a manned maneuvering unit...or as described by the Soviets...a "space motorcycle". The Washington Post says a new computer simulation of the "greenhouse effect" around the Earth indicates that over the next 100 years the northern hemisphere will possibly heat up more rapidly than the southern hemisphere. It also predicts that Antarctica may even cool. The new computer model was developed by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and for the first time includes the movement of ocean currents in the data. * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the broadcast schedule for public affairs events on NASA Select TV. All times are Eastern. Sunday, December 10.... NASA Select will carry the launch of the Global Positioning Satellite-05 aboard a commercial Delta II rocket. The launch window is from 12 noon to 3:30 P.M. NASA Select will join the countdown at T-30 minutes. All events and times are subject to change without notice. ----------------------------------------------------------------- These reports are filed daily, Monday through Friday at 12 noon, Eastern time. ----------------------------------------------------------------- A service of the Internal Communications Branch (LPC), NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu 7 Dec 89 09:23:47-PST From: Jay Glass Subject: NRC assistantship... Cc: glass@PLUTO.ARC.NASA.GOV Mail-System-Version: Following Eugene Miya's note yesterday ... I am looking for a new Ph.D. interested in symbolic control, including AI-based fault detection, identification, and recovery, of complex space subsystems (e.g., thermal management, life support, navigation and communications) for a one-year NRC post-doc research associateship. Pay is not great (mid-30s) but includes relocation. It's a good starting point for further searches in NASA-Ames or the rest of Silicon Valley. I'm currently working on automating the monitoring and control of a prototype Freedom thermal control system -- we have a brassboard at Ames. Appropriate backgrounds would be in engineering or physics with some AI work, or a computer scientist with a strong interest in reasoning about physical systems. If you match this and/or are interested, you are encouraged to apply. Reply to my net address if interested, and I'll express an application -- it must be postmarked by 12/15 for Feb. review (i.e., June hiring). Summer students are separately encouraged (see Miya's message). Jay Glass glass@pluto.arc.nasa.gov ------- ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 89 18:34:00 GMT From: apollo!rehrauer@eddie.mit.edu (Steve Rehrauer) Subject: Re: Manned vs Unmanned Mission to Mars In article <12564@watcgl.waterloo.edu> mark@watsnew.waterloo.edu (Mark Earnshaw) writes: >In article <245@dptspd.sat.datapoint.com> jma@sat.datapoint.com (John Arft) writes: >>It [Apollo] caught the attention of nearly every human on the planet. >>When was the last time JPL did that? > >August of this year when Voyager II encountered Neptune? No bricks thrown at Voyager, but, no I think not. I can round up herds of people who were only dimly aware of what Voyager was doing, in spite of the media hype (they simply wren't interested enough to mentally tune it in). I can probably even scrounge up some who have never heard of Voyager, ever. (Sigh.) -- >>"Aaiiyeeee! Death from above!"<< | Steve Rehrauer, rehrauer@apollo.hp.com "Flee, lest we be trod upon!" | The Apollo System Division of H.P. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 89 02:32:12 GMT From: vsi1!v7fs1!mvp@apple.com (Mike Van Pelt) Subject: Re: Mars Mission Agenda In article <1989Dec6.234500.9687@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >With budgets like that, it's easy. I offer prizes of $10 billion each >to the first five companies who can launch large amounts of payload into >orbit at $200/lb or less, and similar prizes to the first five companies >who can launch large amounts into orbit at $20/lb or less. This sounds a bit like Pournelle's proposal: Provide a guaranteed market for delivery to LEO for the next ten years. I think the figures he used were $200/lb for the first million pounds each year for the next ten years. So, if one company can orbit a million pounds at $100/lb, they can clear a profit of a cool $100 million. With bigger budgets, either up the price per pound, or the number of pounds to be guaranteed each year. The proposal was modeled on the Kelly Air-mail Act, and is the best idea I've seen yet on getting space transportation going. Your prize is a good idea too, but I can imagine all kinds of underhanded fiscal legerdemain to make launch services look cheaper than they really are. Making it just a market removes the incentive to do that. -- Mike Van Pelt When the fog came in on little cat feet Headland Technology/Video 7 last night, it left these little muddy ...ames!vsi1!v7fs1!mvp paw prints on the hood of my car. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 89 17:18 EDT From: DAALBERT%VASSAR.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: SPACE Digest V10 #317 Sender: DAALBERT%vaxsar.bitnet@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU Reply-To: DAALBERT%VASSAR.BITNET@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU X-Envelope-To: space+@andrew.cmu.edu Please delete me from the subscriber list. Thanks David Albert Daalbert@Vassar ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 89 21:28:48 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!image.soe.clarkson.edu!sunybcs!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!rochester!yamauchi@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Brian Yamauchi) Subject: Prizes vs Subsidies (was Re: Mars Mission Agenda) In article <1989Dec6.234500.9687@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <5589@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> gtz@mentor.cc.purdue.edu (Eric C. Garrison) writes: >> >>The object is to design a Mars landing/sample return mission, with minimum cost >>and maximum results. There is a soft limit on the Budget at $200 billion, and >>a hard limit at $400 billion... > >With budgets like that, it's easy. I offer prizes of $10 billion each >to the first five companies who can launch large amounts of payload into >orbit at $200/lb or less, and similar prizes to the first five companies >who can launch large amounts into orbit at $20/lb or less. (Actually it >might be better to spread the prizes out over the scale, rather than >lumping them at two points, but that's a detail. Also, definitions of >terms like "large" will be needed.) No development subsidies of any kind, >just prizes for results. It'll be the biggest scramble you ever saw. >Forget the joys of space science and the glow of national pride and etc.; >the power of greed beats any of them and all of them when it comes to >getting results. >Then we can do the unmanned mission, *and* the partially-manned mission, >*and* the manned mission, several times over, for a whole lot less than >the remaining $100 billion of the soft limit. Not to mention opening up >space to an enormous range of other activities. Sounds like an excellent idea. After all, for $400 billion we *should* be able to get much more for our money than a one-shot four-man Mars landing. Perhaps, the netters who made contacts lobbying for HR2674 could suggest that their friends in Congress (Rep. Packard, etc.) introduce such a proposal. _______________________________________________________________________________ Brian Yamauchi University of Rochester yamauchi@cs.rochester.edu Computer Science Department _______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 89 19:37:46 GMT From: zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!shadooby!sharkey!itivax!vax3!aws@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Allen W. Sherzer) Subject: Hearings on HR2674 (1 of 6) Below is testimony fron the hearings on HR2674. The next step is to pressure Congressperson Nelson of Florida to send the bill to 'mark up' so it can get to the floor. This information comes from Tihamer Toth-Fjel of the Ann Arbor Space Society and Catherine Rawlings of Congressperson Packard's office. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- News from: Committee on Science, Space, and Technology U.S. House of Representatives Robert A. Roe, Chairman Robert Walker, Ranking Republican Member #101-122 November 6, 1989 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE NELSON ANNOUNCES HEARING ON COMMERCIAL SPACE INITIATIVES Representative Bill Nelson (D-FL) announced today that the Subcommittee on Space Science and Applications will hold a hearing to examine the Commercial Space Launch Act and related legislative actions. This hearing will be fromo 9:30 am to 5:00 pm on Thursday, November 9 in room 2325 of of the Rayburn House Office Building. Various Congressional, Administration, and commerical launch industry witnesses will testify regarding implementation of the Commercial Space Launch Act and its amendments. The subcommittee will also review the legislative actions proposed to suport the commercial space industry, including H. R. 2674, the Space Transportation Services Purchase Act of 1989. Nelson said, "In the past this subcommittee has worked hard to develop a viable commercial space program. I want to ensure that Congress and the Administration is doing all it can to cut through the 'bureaucratic red tape' that too often acts as a deterent to prospective commercial launch industry investors. This hearing will be the first step toward that goal." Representative James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), Ranking Republican Member of the Subcommitte, said, "Twice in the past five years, Congress has passed legislation to encourage the development of a commercial launch industry. This hearing will permit the Space Subcommittee to assess the progress that has been made thus far, and to identify what obstacles still need to be overcome." The Subcommitte on Space Science and Applications is one of seven subcommittees of the Committe on Science, Space, and Technology. Representative Robert A. Roe (D-NJ) is the Chairman of the Committee and Representative Robert Walker (R-PA) is the Ranking Republican Member. WITWESS LIST DATE: Nogember 9, 1989 TIME : 9:30 am - 5:00 pm PLACE: 2325 Rayburn Hou@e Office Building RE: Commercial Space Launch Act Implementation PANEL I: Congressman Ron Packard of California Congressman Jim Kolbe of Arizona PANEL II: Stephanie Lee-Miller, Director Office of Commercial Space Tran@portation Department of Transportation PANEL III: Joe Mahon Deputy Associate Administrator Flight Systems National Aeronautics and Space Administration George R. Schneiter Acting Deputy Director Defense Research and Engineering Strategic and Theater Nuclear Forces Department of Defense PANEL IV: Donald K. Slayton Vice Chairman, COMSTAC President of Space Services, Inc. Dennis Dunbar Subcommittee on Procurement/COMSTAC Vice President, Programs and Technical Operations Commercial Services Division General Dynamics Corporation James C. Bennett, President American Rocket Dr. C.J. Waylan, President GTE Spacenet ---------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks to Jim Shearer at the Industrial Technology Institute, whose scanner we used to get these documents into electronic form. I edited many of the mistakes the OCR software made (but it was easier than typing 'em all in). In the near future, the Ann Arbor Chapter of the National Space Society will be manually typing in the rest of the testimony, specifically Nelson's introduction, Joseph Mahon (from NASA) claiming that HR2674 is premature, Donald Slayton's (from SSIA and COMSTAC) statement, Dennis Dunbar (from General Dynamics and COMSTAC explaining that a commercial proposal requires 91 pages, while a government proposal requires 4250 for the same launch services), and James Bennett (from American Rocket Company - AMROC). Stay tuned! ----------------Tihamer Toth-Fejel (ttf@iti.org)--------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Allen W. Sherzer | Is the local cluster the result | | aws@iti.org | of gerrymandering? | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V10 #321 *******************