Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from beak.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr11/tm2b/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 7 Nov 89 03:25:10 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 7 Nov 89 03:24:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V10 #216 SPACE Digest Volume 10 : Issue 216 Today's Topics: Truly before Roe on Space Station Payload Status for 11/03/89 (Forwarded) NASA Headline News for 11/03/89 (Forwarded) Re: Apology regarding posting regarding gravity Re: Apology regarding posting regarding gravity Re: Space Hotel or Donald Trump has missed the boat. Re: Space Hotel or Donald Trump has missed the boat. Tracking Military Satellites If There Were No Shuttle Re: Voyager's last photo ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 5 Nov 89 13:29:25 PST From: mordor!lll-tis!oodis01!riacs!rutgers!pnet01.cts.com!jim@angband.s1.gov (Jim Bowery) To: ucsd!nosc!crash!space@angband.s1.gov Subject: Truly before Roe on Space Station A synopsis of a CSPAN broadcast of Truly before the house full committee on science, space and technology concerning the space station program: Rep. Roe, Chair of the house committee on space and chief proponent of Space Station Freedom in the House threatened to withdraw his support from the program. In an emotive diatribe directed to NASA Administrator Truly, Rep. Roe said he didn't like being made to look "like a horses ass" as a result of the recent redesign made under the new managment of Space Station Program Director Dick Kohrs and Associate Administrator Dr. Lenoir, but without consultation with Congress. Nearly every member of the committee, including Rep. Nelson (chair of the subcommittee) expressed negative reactions to the fact that every year, NASA comes back with a different system design with less scope but at the same or higher budgets. Truly, Lenoir and Kohrs reiterated several times that the redesign was necessary in order to remove "risk items from the critical path" but that the most recent redesign had not descoped the operational capability of the system to the end users. Committee members were not convinced. Repeatedly the question of operational cost was raised by committee members, including items such as the cost of manhours spent de/pressurizing for EVA using the existing space suit (the redesign deleted development of the high pressure suit even though a Rep. from CA claimed that was due to a NIH syndrome since the suit was already developed -- it was just developed at Ames instead of JSC). NASA's response was that EVA minimization was now a goal of the program and that the only real operational cost increase was the need for one half shuttle flight per year in order to bring up hydrazine (the redesign eliminated cryogenic propulsion for station keeping). Rep. Nelson asked a lengthy series of questions attempting to uncover any possible benefits that SS might enjoy from the development of Shuttle C. During these questions, he frequently used "ELV" and "Shuttle C" interchangeably and never referred to any ELV's other than Shuttle C. Most of the answers to these questions came from Dr. Lenoir who said that Shuttle C would be of little benefit to SS. Another issue that came up repeatedly in both development and operational accounting was launch costs. Truly responded repeatedly with a statement that launches were accounted for only in terms of the number of launches, not in terms of dollars. When pressed, Truly answered $50 million per launch. Rep. Roe responded that this figure wasn't honest because it didn't include the cost of overhead and paying for shuttle infrastructure. Truly then answered $200 million per launch. Later in the questioning Rep. Hall asked again how much one half shuttle flight per year would add to the operational costs/yr of the SS. Truly responded with $25 million. Hall asked, again, for a more complete figure and Truly answered that he didn't know what that figure would be. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jim Bowery PHONE: 619/295-8868 BE A SPACE ACTIVIST PO Box 1981 GET OFF THE NET AND SET UP AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOUR La Jolla, CA 92038 CONGRESSMAN! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- UUCP: {cbosgd, hplabs!hp-sdd, sdcsvax, nosc}!crash!pnet01!jim ARPA: crash!pnet01!jim@nosc.mil INET: jim@pnet01.cts.com ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 13:01:28 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: Payload Status for 11/03/89 (Forwarded) Daily Status/KSC Payload Management and Operations 11-03-89 - STS-31R HST (at VPF) - The HST functional test is active at the VPF and will continue until approximately 0400 hours Saturday morning. There have been no significant problems. Personnel are supporting the continuous VPF environmental and ECS unit monitoring. -STS-32R SYNCOM (at VPF) - VPHD access platforms were positioned, J-hooks installed, and last night alignment for the SYNCOM spacecraft has been completed. - STS-34 (at OPF) - IUS PCP/CIU removal from the orbiter is scheduled for today, IUS ASE deintegration with the orbiter is scheduled for Saturday, and SSBUV removal is scheduled for next Monday. - STS-35 ASTRO-1/BBXRT (at O&C) - MIU cable continuity and megger checks were completed yesterday. New wire was received and the OSP splice removal/replacement is back in work. MMU load is scheduled for Monday to support IPS retest starting Tuesday. Engineering is active with paper preparation for the HDRR removal, with final decision expected Monday. - STS-40 SLS-1 (at O&C) - Rack 3 and 5 rotation was completed yesterday. Installation of the rack 3 back panel, and rack 10 back panel removal is active. Video monitor assembly CCTV operations are active as is water servicing GSE prep and validation. Pyrell foam replacement preps are active with electronic housing cover removals. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 13:16:25 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: NASA Headline News for 11/03/89 (Forwarded) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, November 3, 1989 Audio: 202/755-1788 ----------------------------------------------------------------- This is NASA Headline News for Friday, November 3.... "Everything is looking good for the fifth shuttle launch this year"...that's the word from Jay Honeycutt, Director of Shuttle Management and Operations. After a careful review of all Kennedy Space Center elements...Honeycutt says the Center is ready for the safe and successful launch of STS-33. A launch date is expected to be set next week at the conclusion of the Flight Readiness Review on November 7. President Bush has told Congress to enact strong legislation that would cut the federal budget by about $15 billion to conform to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings deficit reduction law. Bush emphasized that he wants no new taxes...no spending measures that increase the deficit in the future and without gimmicks. Virtually every federal agency would be affected by the reduction ...slightly more than 5 percent. CNN reported this morning that President Bush has indicated he is in support of a pay raise for senior government managers, members of Congress and federal judges. The news network said a proposed pay increase could amount to about 35 percent. Kyodo News Service in Tokyo says Japan and the United States plan to launch a joint project to observe the ozone layer. Japan's Science and Technology Agency announced the project along with three other plans to promote space cooperation between both nations. The ozone study will rely on ground data collected by NASA and data on the layer to be gathered by a new Japanese scientific satellite scheduled for launch in 1995. * * * * ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here's the broadcast schedule for public affairs events on NASA Select television. All times are Eastern. Thursday, November 9... 11:30 A.M. NASA Update will be transmitted. Looking ahead.... NASA Select TV will provide coverage of the launch of the Cosmic Background Explorer satellite on or about November 16 from Vandenberg Air Force Base. Launch and landing only of the STS-33 DoD mission is scheduled for later this month. Launch date to by set at Flight Readiness Review next week. All events and times are subject to change without notice. ----------------------------------------------------------------- These reports are filed daily, Monday through Friday, at 12 noon, Eastern time. ----------------------------------------------------------------- A service of the Internal Communications Branch (LPC), NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 16:52:20 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!walt.cc.utexas.edu!wastoid@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Feulner ... Matthew Feulner) Subject: Re: Apology regarding posting regarding gravity In article <247@berlioz.nsc.com> andrew@dtg.nsc.com (Lord Snooty @ The Giant Poisoned Electric Head ) writes: > >Except when the "particle" is a shell - then the field is everywhere zero >inside. If the particle density varies as 1/r, then a constant acceleration >towards the centre is everywhere asserted (in case you want to do >equivalence-type experiments!) What's funny about this is that a couple of hundred years ago, Newton and Halley happened to have an argument about the same type of thing. (they loved to argue) They wondered what would happen if the Earth was a hollow sphere, and a projectile was sent inside of it. Of course, by the arguments here, the trajectory would be a straight line, but neither of them got it right. Matthew ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 20:34:10 GMT From: voder!dtg.nsc.com!andrew@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Lord Snooty @ The Giant Poisoned Electric Head ) Subject: Re: Apology regarding posting regarding gravity In article <20538@ut-emx.UUCP>, wastoid@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Feulner ... Matthew Feulner) writes: > In article <247@berlioz.nsc.com> andrew@dtg.nsc.com (Lord Snooty @ The Giant Poisoned Electric Head ) writes: > >Except when the "particle" is a shell - then the field is everywhere zero > >inside. > What's funny about this is that a couple of hundred years ago, Newton > and Halley happened to have an argument about the same type of thing. > (they loved to argue) They wondered what would happen if the Earth > was a hollow sphere, and a projectile was sent inside of it. Of > course, by the arguments here, the trajectory would be a straight > line, but neither of them got it right. That's amazingly bizarre for a man like Newton. After all, he practically invented calculus and integration! -- ........................................................................... Andrew Palfreyman a wet bird never flies at night time sucks andrew@dtg.nsc.com there are always two sides to a broken window ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 20:52:31 GMT From: shlump.nac.dec.com!hiatus.dec.com!nymets.dec.com!fisher@decuac.dec.com Subject: Re: Space Hotel or Donald Trump has missed the boat. It won't be ready till 2020, huh? Do you suppose they will take 70-year-olds, or will I end up like Heinlein's "Requiem"? Burns Fisher ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 22:22:36 GMT From: bfmny0!tneff@uunet.uu.net (Tom Neff) Subject: Re: Space Hotel or Donald Trump has missed the boat. In article <1633@hiatus.dec.com> fisher@nymets.dec.com writes: >It won't be ready till 2020, huh? Do you suppose they will take >70-year-olds, or will I end up like Heinlein's "Requiem"? Don't sell your options short! Both things could be happen. :-) -- Psychoanalysis is the mental illness \\\ Tom Neff it purports to cure. -- Karl Kraus \\\ tneff@bfmn0.UU.NET ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 22:39:55 GMT From: pikes!udenva!isis!scicom!wats@boulder.colorado.edu (Bruce Watson) Subject: Tracking Military Satellites This from the November 1989 issue of Aerospace America: CIA SATELLITE SEEN TUMBLING A secret CIA/USAF reconnaissance satellite put into orbit August 8 by the Space Shuttle Columbia has been seen tumbling by astronomers in seven countries, raising concerns about the mission's success. Photographs of the spacecraft show brilliant flashes of light every second, a sign of a spacecraft reflecting the Sun as it tumbles out of control. Who on the net has seen this one? Mike, Jim, Nick, Warren? ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 18:18:45 GMT From: ogccse!blake!milligan@ucsd.edu (Gregory Milligan) Subject: If There Were No Shuttle If there were no shuttle, we would still be building and flying Saturn 1-Bs and Saturn Vs. In my opinion, we should be doing so anyway. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Nov 89 19:02:39 GMT From: jarthur!jokim@uunet.uu.net (John H. Kim) Subject: Re: Voyager's last photo In article <229@cfa.HARVARD.EDU> wyatt@cfashap.harvard.edu (Bill Wyatt) writes: >Mercury will be too close to the Sun to distinguish, and Pluto is >too faint/dark, but all the others should be imaged. The inner planets >will be point sources, but the giants will be two or three pixels across. It seems to me that this "family portrait" is going to be a big disappointment for the vast majority of naive space enthusiasts (like those who still think asteroid belts need to be dodged). Any similar opinions? I liked the Voyager picture of the Earth-Moon pair (from back when it was first launched) but found the resolution of that picture disappointing. -- John H. Kim | (This space to be filled when I jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU | think of something very clever uunet!muddcs!jarthur!jokim | to use as a disclaimer) ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V10 #216 *******************