Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from corsica.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Thu, 10 Aug 89 00:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8YsEDHe00UkV81ek5Y@andrew.cmu.edu> Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Thu, 10 Aug 89 00:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #595 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 595 Today's Topics: Re: S-Band Beacon on Moon Re: Neil Armstrong Re: Questions about Apollo 11 Re: Modules Re: Don't Mess with NASA (afterburners) Ground the DC-10!? Re: Request for more info on ozone depletion Moon instruments Re: The now defunct Moon beacon Re: Modules Re: Questions about Apollo 11 Re: Does This Proposal Make Sense Re: Neil Armstrong Civilian Astronauts (was: Re: Neil Armstrong) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Jul 89 20:00:15 GMT From: jupiter!karn@bellcore.com (Phil R. Karn) Subject: Re: S-Band Beacon on Moon >Didn't someone purchase one of the lunar rovers for an incredibly cheap >price? Maybe I can buy this experiment for $10 and persuade NASA to turn >it back on for use as an amateur beacon. Sorry, but the lunar rovers were powered with primary chemical batteries (Silver-Zinc, I believe) unlike the later ALSEP packages which were powered by radioisotope thermal generators. Those chemical batteries are long dead. Phil ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 19:25:48 GMT From: asuvax!enuxha!kluksdah@handies.ucar.edu (Norman C. Kluksdahl) Subject: Re: Neil Armstrong In article <5428@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM>, johnob@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM (John Obendorfer) writes: > instances, but I believe one of the two moonwalkers on Apollo 17 was > a civilian geologist > Does the name Harrison Schmidt ring a bell? It should. He was the geologist on Apollo 17. (BTW, there is an interesting sidelight on geology in Collins' book 'Carrying the Fire'. It was believed by some in the astronaut corps that proficiency in geology would improve the chance of being first. Naturally, there was some desire to be good in geology.) ********************************************************************** Norman Kluksdahl Arizona State University ..ncar!noao!asuvax!enuxha!kluksdah alternate: kluksdah@enuxc1.eas.asu.edu standard disclaimer implied ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 89 11:52:21 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!mucs!mario@uunet.uu.net Subject: Re: Questions about Apollo 11 In article <2646@etive.ed.ac.uk> bob@etive.ed.ac.uk (Bob Gray) writes: [concerning footage shown on a BBC programme] > The view was back along the body of the saturn V third stage > in Earth orbit. The Earth can be seen going past on the left > of the picture. The third stage is ignited, and the Earth > starts to pass by faster and faster. > > My question. Was this speeded up motion. > > I suspect so, I don't think that the change in velocity > would have been quite as obvious as all that. > > The velocity change was from 28,100 Km/hr to 39,000 Km/hr, > how long was the TLI (Trans-Lunar Injection) burn for. This gives me a good chance to get a plug in for an excellent book on the Apollo program: Project Apollo: The Way to the Moon P.J. Booker, G.C. Frewer and G.K.C. Pardoe Chatto & Windus, London, 1971. Lots of technical detail, no cheer-leader stuff. It took me all of 45 seconds to find that on a "typical" Saturn V lift-off the duration of S-IVB stage ignition would be 5mins, 13secs. This gives an average acceleration of 9.7 ms^-2, or close to one G. The TLI burn for Apollo 11 was 5:47 (according to Collins, "Carrying the Fire", p.370)...I guess they vary a bit from mission to mission. This does indeed suggest that the film was speeded up. Even more amazing than the footage of TLI was the shot of the moon sometime later. I can't remember whether it was the LM descent engine or the CM engine firing for LOI or TEI, but the lunar surface seemed to light up. Must watch the video again... Mario Wolczko ______ Dept. of Computer Science Internet: mario@ux.cs.man.ac.uk /~ ~\ The University USENET: mcvax!ukc!man.cs.ux!mario ( __ ) Manchester M13 9PL JANET: mario@uk.ac.man.cs.ux `-': :`-' U.K. Tel: +44-61-275 6146 (FAX: 6280) ____; ;_____________the mushroom project____________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 19:20:09 GMT From: asuvax!enuxha!kluksdah@handies.ucar.edu (Norman C. Kluksdahl) Subject: Re: Modules In article <2915@bucsb.UUCP>, ckd@bucsb.UUCP (Christopher Davis) writes: > Anyone have a complete list of the callsigns (codenames?) for the Apollo > LMs and CSMs? Bonus points for the Gemini & Mercury capsules... Wouldn't you know I left my reference at home so I can't win the prize :-) Of the Gemini series, only GT3 had a callsign. 'Molly Brown', with reference to the movie and Gus Grissom's Mercury Redstone flight. After that, higher- ups nixed the practice of naming capsules until Apollo 9-17. ********************************************************************** Norman Kluksdahl Arizona State University ..ncar!noao!asuvax!enuxha!kluksdah alternate: kluksdah@enuxc1.eas.asu.edu standard disclaimer implied ------------------------------ Date: 26 Jul 89 23:12:25 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!attcan!ncrcan!ziebmef!mdf@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Matthew Francey) Subject: Re: Don't Mess with NASA (afterburners) In article <8907201027.AA07833@osteocyber.ortho.hmc.psu.edu> dsc@OSTEOCYBER.ORTHO.HMC.PSU.EDU (david s. channin) writes: > Let's say you just happen to have hit the PA state lottery last April, and > walked away with $115 Million. You will receive 5.75 M for 20 years. You save > diligently for 6 -7 years. Egad! Don't waste it on a silly airplane! Proceed immediately to the russians and book a flight on Mir. Although with $115e6 to spend, you *could* do both and have some change... -- Name: Matthew Francey Address: N43o34'13.5" W79o34'33.3" 86m mdf@ziebmef.UUCP uunet!utgpu!{ontmoh!moore,ncrcan}!ziebmef!mdf ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 19:16:52 GMT From: pikes!udenva!isis!scicom!wats@boulder.colorado.edu (Bruce Watson) Subject: Ground the DC-10!? Why not? There were civilians aboard. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 23:27:19 GMT From: visdc!jiii@uunet.uu.net (John E Van Deusen III) Subject: Re: Request for more info on ozone depletion I read today in my home-town paper that "scientists" had presented "evidence" that the antarctic ozone hole might be "related to" increased incidence of skin cancer in southern Australia and New Zealand. Does anyone know anything about this "study"? It defies logic for a number of reasons and is apparently the "first" study to make such a claim. -- John E Van Deusen III, PO Box 9283, Boise, ID 83707, (208) 343-1865 uunet!visdc!jiii ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 18:08:19 GMT From: palmer@tybalt.caltech.edu (David Palmer) Subject: Moon instruments During the replay of the Apollo 11 landing (THE UNIVERSE CAN BE YOURS, THROUGH THE MAGIC OF RE-RUNS!!!) they mentioned two passive experiments, the retro-reflector (much discussed here) and the 'passive seismometer'. What do they mean by passive? All the passive techniques I can think of for seismometry are relatively insensitive. Does passive just mean 'solar powered' or something like that? David Palmer palmer@tybalt.caltech.edu ...rutgers!cit-vax!tybalt.caltech.edu!palmer "Only 10% of the 4000 mile long coastline was affected." -Exxon's version of the oil spill as reported to stockholders ------------------------------ Date: 27 Jul 89 07:42:28 GMT From: att!tsdiag!ka2qhd!w2vy@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas A Moulton RATS Clifton NJ) Subject: Re: The now defunct Moon beacon It is very likely that either the power system is shutdown (or dead) OR that they turned off any receivers that could be commanded to start the transmitter again... and even if the receiver was working it would cost too much to get the equipment and codings for the commands to get anyone to move on it... If anyone can Prove me wrong and get it turned it on, Knock your Socks off! Go for it!... hihi -- Life is too short to be mad about things. Thomas A. Moulton, W2VY Packet: w2vy@kd6th Voice: 145.190 (r) (201) 478-7919 uucp: rutgers!petsd!tsdiag!ka2qhd!w2vy ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 89 12:40:12 GMT From: frooz!cfa250!mcdowell@husc6.harvard.edu (Jonathan McDowell) Subject: Re: Modules From article <14494@bfmny0.UUCP>, by tneff@bfmny0.UUCP (Tom Neff): >>MPTA-098 Main Propulsion Test Article > > what was this? I would like more info. It was a mockup of the aft thrust structure used to static test the SSME's, I believe at NSTL (now Stennis Space Center), but it might have been MSFC. I included it because it got given a serial number. -JCM ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jul 89 19:21:44 GMT From: mitel!sce!nrcaer!dciem!bpd@uunet.uu.net (Brian P. Dickson) Subject: Re: Questions about Apollo 11 In article <1989Jul20.155758.15392@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >In article <28852@ames.arc.nasa.gov> mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick) writes: >> >>Most of the footage of staging is from the unmanned missions, I don't >>think that any of the manned boosters had the cameras on board. > >I'm not sure about that; remember that there were only two unmanned >Saturn V launches. I wouldn't be surprised if one or two of the early >manned ones had camera pods aboard, especially given that the second >unmanned flight hit problems. (It took considerable boldness and a >lot of confidence in the engineers to fly Apollo 8 on the third one.) In the motion picture _Koyaniskaaski_ (sp?), there is a five minute sequence at the end, where what appears to be a Saturn V is launched, and in one continuous shot, explodes, with the camera following one of the enormous engines for a very long time. Does anyone (Henry?) know which vehicle this was, and why it detonated? (BTW, IMHO a great movie.) -- Brian Dickson, NTT Systems Inc. (*SPOILER* quote follows:) "Launder it." - Bad Guy killed by a Felix lighter. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 89 18:17:23 GMT From: pezely@louie.udel.edu (Dan Pezely) Subject: Re: Does This Proposal Make Sense In article <1226@bio73.unsw.oz> root@bio73.unsw.oz (Karl Redell ) writes: >Despite the strong desires of many to experience space travel, > >ONLY A SELECT FEW WILL EVER MAKE IT INTO SPACE. > >Due to the extreme costs involved, no group of individuals, >or even a group of companies, can shoulder the expense. It takes >GOVERNMENT FUNDING! Only a government can tax millions of people >to generate the billions of dollars required. Details, details. If we don't do anything, then yes, "Only a select few will ever make it into space." I saw an advertisement a year or so ago from one of the space contractors involved in the space station. They stated that if every American contributed less than 2 cents a day, then there would be more then enough to pay for the space station. (I know what you're thinking; read on.) I'm sure that not EVERY American cares about space, nor are they willing to pay anything. However, if the administrative corporation sells preferred stock, then people willing to INVEST hundreds or thousands of dollars would definitely come forward. Also, for the corporation to have the benefit of preferred stock without having to pay dividends they could sell certificates for individual sponcerships of their favorite part of the space program. There are ways to achieve our goals. Nothing will discourage us -- Nothing! - Daniel ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 89 23:21:39 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!dell!mikeh@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Mike Hammel) Subject: Re: Neil Armstrong In article <1750@ncspm.ncsu.edu> jay@ncspm.ncsu.EDU (Jay C. Smith) writes: > >How many astronauts, other than shuttle mission or payload specialists, have >there been who were never in the military? I am using the strict definition >of astronaut = someone who has been in space on a NASA mission. Harrison Schmidt was a geologist, wasn't he? I don't know if he was in the military before that. I'm not even sure I spelled his name right. :-) Michael J. Hammel | UUCP(preferred): ...!cs.utexas.edu!dell!Kepler!mjhammel Dell Computer Corp. | Also: ...!dell!dell!mikeh or 73377.3467@compuserve.com Austin, TX | Phone: 512-338-4400 ext 7169 | "I know engineers, they looooove to change things" Disclaimer: |: These are my views, not necessarily those of the nice folks I work for. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jul 89 12:34:31 GMT From: vax5!ga9@cu-arpa.cs.cornell.edu Subject: Civilian Astronauts (was: Re: Neil Armstrong) In article <5428@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM> johnob@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM (John Obendorfer) writes: >In article shafer@elxsi.dfrf.nasa.gov (Mary Shafer) writes: >> >>How many astronauts, other than shuttle mission or payload specialists, have >>there been who were never in the military? I am using the strict definition >>of astronaut = someone who has been in space on a NASA mission. > > This is strictly from memory, so I could be mistaken in one of these >instances, but I believe one of the two moonwalkers on Apollo 17 was >a civilian geologist and that on at least one of the Skylab missions ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ It was Harrison Schmitt, who did his undergraduate work at RPI and his graduate work at some TECH school in CALifornia. >a civilian physicist was in the crew. These were, of course, the >pre-shuttle equivalent of mission specialists -- they did not fly >any of the vehicles involved. Sorry, but names don't come to mind. > > John ***************************************************************** * John Erickson, Professional Student * * Digital Equipment Corp. & Cornell University * *---------------------------------------------------------------* * easynet: mfgmem::erickson * * bitnet: ga9@crnlvax5 * * internet: ga9@vax5.cit.cornell.edu * * uucp: ...!rochester!cornell!vax5.cit.cornell.edu!ga9 * ***************************************************************** ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #595 *******************