Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from corsica.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Sun, 23 Jul 89 05:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Sun, 23 Jul 89 05:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #550 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 550 Today's Topics: S-Band Beacon on Moon Re: Satellite Images - at home! CBS News Special on APOLLO 11 on Thursday, July 13. Re: Color Screens on Space Station (Was: Procurement and future computers) Re: space news from May 29 AW&ST Re: NASA funding is not transitive Re: Apollo 12 (And Surveyor 3) Re: Apollo 12 (And Surveyor 3) Launch Date Info Wanted Re: Jonathan's Space Report, forwarded Satellite Population NASA and German Ministry sign Space Transportation agreement (Forwarded) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Jul 89 14:42:11 GMT From: wjc@XN.LL.MIT.EDU (Bill Chiarchiaro) Subject: S-Band Beacon on Moon In the last year or so, I read about a radio transmitter that was left on the Moon by one of the Apollo missions and that is still operating. Its frequency is somewhere around 2.3 GHz and is used as "beacon of opportunity" by some radio amateurs who conduct moonbounce operations on the amateur 13-cm band. Does anyone know which mission left this transmitter? What is its location? What was its purpose? I assume it was for telemetry of data from some experiment package. If so, is the package still supplying data? What is the transmitter's power source? What are its frequency, modulation type, output power, antenna gain, and polarization? Are there any other operating transmitters on or orbiting the Moon? If you think about it, reception of this transmitter's signal is probably the closest thing to proof that man has indeed put objects on the Moon -- at least that is available today to those of us outside the space-program complex. Thanks, Bill Chiarchiaro N1CPK wjc@xn.ll.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jul 89 15:05:00 GMT From: apollo!ulowell!tegra!vail@beaver.cs.washington.edu (Johnathan Vail) Subject: Re: Satellite Images - at home! In article <1507@vms.eurokom.ie> gnugent@vms.eurokom.ie writes: A license is required for receiving pictures from the NOAA satellites, but this is a mere formality. What is this? Is this something required by your govt in Ireland? As far as I know I don't need a license here. The only organisation I know of who are dedicated to weather satellite picture reception are the Remote Imaging Group in the UK. They also supply a range of There is the Dallas Remote Imaging Group in this country with a BBS available. Email me if you would like the number (I don't have it with me now...) "Like a clock, they sent, through, a washing machine: come around, make it soon, so alone." -- Syd Barrett _____ | | Johnathan Vail | tegra!N1DXG@ulowell.edu |Tegra| (508) 663-7435 | N1DXG@145.110-,145.270-,444.2+,448.625- ----- ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 89 16:34:43 GMT From: wrksys.dec.com!klaes@decwrl.dec.com (CUP/ASG, MLO5-2/G1 6A, 223-3283) Subject: CBS News Special on APOLLO 11 on Thursday, July 13. There will be a two-hour CBS News Special on Thursday, July 13 at 9 p.m. E.D.T. entitled "The Moon Above, The Earth Below". It is a twentieth anniversary tribute to the APOLLO 11 mission to Earth's Moon in 1969. Dan Rather will host the program, Walter Cronkite will discuss the mission aspects, and Charles Kuralt will show what was happening on Earth while Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins were exploring the Moon. Larry Klaes klaes@renoir.dec.com or - ...!decwrl!renoir.dec.com!klaes or - klaes%renoir.dec@decwrl.dec.com N = R*fgfpneflfifaL ------------------------------ Date: 9 Jul 89 17:36:12 GMT From: hp-pcd!hpcvlx!gvg@hplabs.hp.com (Greg Goebel) Subject: Re: Color Screens on Space Station (Was: Procurement and future computers) > > And, this is all fantasy for another reason. Sophisticated image > analysis will continue to be done on the ground for the forseeable > future for the most rational of all reasons: professional analysts > ... are too bulky and too heavy to put into space economically ... > > Stu Friedberg (stuart@cs.wisc.edu) > What a thing to say! How would you like the professional analysts saying that YOU were "too bulky and heavy to put into space economically"?! +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Greg Goebel | | Hewlett-Packard CWO / 1000 NE Circle Boulevard / Corvallis OR 97330 | | (503) 752-7718 | | INTERNET: cwo_online@hp-pcd | | HP DESK: CWO ONLINE / HP3900 / 20 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ PS: No offense meant, Stu; just never could pass up a joke ... this is what happens when I sequence out of "rec.humor" straight into "sci.space". ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 89 17:44:17 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!wasatch!uplherc!esunix!bpendlet@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Bob Pendleton) Subject: Re: space news from May 29 AW&ST From article <1989Jul10.044722.16489@utzoo.uucp>, by henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer): > NASA rejects the [inevitable] bid protest from Hercules over the award > of the ASRM contract to Lockheed/Aerojet, clearing the way for contract > negotiations. The politics of this award are most interesting. Lockheed is a recognized and respected prime contractor and system integrator. Hercules is a recognized and respected sub contractor. Hercules was going to sub contract out the system integration to a recognized and respected company that is usually a prime contractor. NASA insisted that the prime contractor also be the system integrator, hence Lockheed got the bid. Another nice example of having to be a member of the club before you can join the club. While I'm saying nasty things about NASA let me point you all at an article entitled "After Thirty-two Months of CYA CHALLENGER- The Truth Slowly Outs" by Yale Jay Lubkin in the May, 1989, issue of Defense Science. If you believe that Challenger was destroyed by a frozen O ring find a copy of this article and read it. It quotes from Dr. Richard Feynman's book "What Do You Care What Other People Think" and then backs up Feynman's opinions. One great quotation from Dr. George Keyworth, President Reagan's science advisor, is "Of all the organizations that I have dealt with, some so wrapped up in their bureaucratic interests that they were certainly counter to the direction ... the country was going in. Some of them filled with incompetent people. Some of them outstanding. I have only seen one that lied. It was NASA. From the top to the bottom they lie.... The reason they lie, of course, is because they are wrapped up in a higher calling. In their eyes they are white lies. They tell lies in order to do what has to be done. Because in the end the result will be for the betterment of the public. So they are not lying from evil. But, nvertheless, they are lying." In my personal opinion those lies, told for what ever "good" reasons, have destroyed NASA in the minds of the public whose "betterment" was the reason for the lies. In plain english, you can't do business with a liar. Bob P. -- - Bob Pendleton, speaking only for myself. - UUCP Address: decwrl!esunix!bpendlet or utah-cs!esunix!bpendlet - - Reality is stranger than most can imagine. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 89 14:00:00 GMT From: agate!web%garnet.berkeley.edu@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (William Baxter) Subject: Re: NASA funding is not transitive In article <33078@apple.Apple.COM>, leech@Apple (Jonathan Patrick Leech) writes: >In article <26240@agate.BERKELEY.EDU> web@garnet.berkeley.edu (William Baxter) writes: >>... The cuts Eric describes would result in a >>$1.2 billion surplus for other programs if the space station is cancelled. > > The other programs may not have anything to do with space, >however. The total "Aeronautical Research and Technology" portion of the NASA budget request amounts to $463 million. Everything else is space related, at least in name. The space station is the largest single item which is not subdivided further, at $2.05 billion. The next largest item is space shuttle flight hardware, at $1.24 billion. Why don't you explain to us where you thought the money could come from, or where it could go, and where you think the cuts should come from. But please take a look at a copy of the budget request first. William Baxter ARPA: web@{garnet,brahms,math}.Berkeley.EDU UUCP: {sun,dual,decwrl,decvax,hplabs,...}!ucbvax!garnet!web ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 89 16:27:56 GMT From: jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@rutgers.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Apollo 12 (And Surveyor 3) In article <8907112246.AA01428@angband.s1.gov> writes: > Can anyone fill me in as to what the Apollo 12 astronauts did when they >found the SURVEYOR 3 probe on the lunar surface? I read a while back (in >a now-forgotten magazine) that they took the probe's camera off for "a >souvenir"... It wasn't a souvenir, but a planned sample. Several parts, notably the camera, were removed and returned to Earth so that the effects of several years on the lunar surface could be studied. (One quite unexpected find in the camera was live bacteria, which had survived sterilization procedures and years in space!) Of course, the way things turned out, so far we've had precious little use for that information... -- $10 million equals 18 PM | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology (Pentagon-Minutes). -Tom Neff | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 89 22:03:08 GMT From: unmvax!aplcen!haven!grebyn!rich@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Rich Kolker) Subject: Re: Apollo 12 (And Surveyor 3) In article <8907112246.AA01428@angband.s1.gov> writes: > Can anyone fill me in as to what the Apollo 12 astronauts did when they >| BITNET: astlc@alaska.bitnet | the official opinions of the | >| USENET: coming SOON! | University of Alaska, so THERE! | >| Quote: "If A Man In A Blue Suit | | >| Comes Up To You, And Offers | The took panels off for the purpose of micrometeorod studies as well a as solar wind studies. Just hitting the target after Apollo 11 was an accomplishment. ++rich>| You OS/2, Remember: JUST SAY NO!" | >========================================================================= +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Rich Kolker | | uunet!telenet!richk (not the reply to above) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 89 12:02:00 GMT From: pur-phy!tippy!roger@ee.ecn.purdue.edu Subject: Launch Date Info Wanted My family and I will be visiting the Kennedy Space Center sometime during the first two weeks of August. Can anyone provide a list of launches that will be made during this period? If there will be one during this time we will plan our trip around it. Thanks in advance - Roger. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 89 22:17:07 GMT From: hp-pcd!hpcvlx!gvg@hplabs.hp.com (Greg Goebel) Subject: Re: Jonathan's Space Report, forwarded > > If I could only archive one person's contributions to sci.space it > would be Jonathan McDowell's Space Reports. No other posting summarizes > so much hard, international, factual and timely space information in > such a modest and unassuming manner. Grateful as I am to Henry for > abstracting AvWeek (or as I was before I subcribed myself), Jonathan's > info has more vitally to do with the cutting edge of space. > > > Tom Neff > I agree, Tom, but the last time I complimented JMcD on this he sent me a message telling me to stop wasting net bandwidth ... +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Greg Goebel | | Hewlett-Packard CWO / 1000 NE Circle Boulevard / Corvallis OR 97330 | | (503) 752-7718 | | INTERNET: cwo_online@hp-pcd | | HP DESK: CWO ONLINE / HP3900 / 20 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: 13 Jul 89 19:14:59 GMT From: cs.dal.ca!dal1!arppeter@uunet.uu.net Subject: Satellite Population Hello. I have a burning question. How much STUFF is in orbit, aside from the moon? How many are in geostationary orbit? Polar? etc? Are there any estimates of what kind of population of satellites can be in orbit before there is too great a risk of "fender benders"? How may practical geostationary orbit parking spaces are there? I'm looking for substantial pieces here, not bits of debris, White's glove and those darn Shuttle hubcaps that fly off on corners. Last question. How do countries, or people make dibs on orbit positions and paths? Is it like Antartica where the claimed pieces of pie overlap? Is it a first one to park wins situation? My curiousity abounds. Peter J. Russell Bitnet: ARPPETER@AC.DAL.CA ------------------------------ Date: 15 Jul 89 06:30:57 GMT From: trident.arc.nasa.gov!yee@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Peter E. Yee) Subject: NASA and German Ministry sign Space Transportation agreement (Forwarded) [Been on travel, hence the tardiness of these press releases. -PEY] Debra J. Rahn Headquarters, Washington, D.C. July 10, 1989 RELEASE: 89-113 NASA AND GERMAN MINISTRY SIGN SPACE TRANSPORTATION AGREEMENT Richard H. Truly, NASA Administrator, and Heinz Riesenhuber, Federal Minister for Research and Technology of the Federal Republic of Germany, today signed a memorandum of understanding in Washington, D.C., enabling the launch of German payloads on the Space Shuttle. This agreement confirms general understandings for the terms and conditions under which NASA will furnish launch and associated services on a reimbursable basis consistent with U.S. and German space policy. Under the MOU, specific launch services agreements or other agreements will be signed for each activity. The first flight will be the D-2 Spacelab mission, currently scheduled for launch in February l992. It will carry German materials processing and life sciences experiments and a small number of NASA experiments. The crew will include two German payload specialists. The Federal Republic of Germany (FRG) has paid earnest money to NASA for an additional mission, the D-3 Spacelab, currently scheduled for launch in November l993. Under a similar agreement signed in April l981, the FRG's D-l Spacelab mission was successfully completed in November l985. The D-l mission carried materials processing and life sciences experiments. The crew included two German and one Dutch payload specialists. FRG has long been a supporter of Space Transportation System utilization and contributed 40 percent to the European Space Agency development of the Spacelab. FRG, as a member of the European Space Agency, will also contribute significantly to the development of the Space Station Freedom. ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #550 *******************