Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from holmes.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 9 May 89 00:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 9 May 89 00:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #418 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 418 Today's Topics: NASA Prediction Bulletins Re: Private spending for space science Re: Private spending for space science Re: manned vs. unmanned (was: Priorities at NASA?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 May 89 21:16:08 GMT From: tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil (TS Kelso) Subject: NASA Prediction Bulletins The most current orbital elements from the NASA Prediction Bulletins are carried on the Celestial RCP/M, (513) 427-0674, and are updated several times weekly. Documentation and tracking software are also available on this system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current of these elements are uploaded weekly to sci.space. This week's elements are provided below. The Celestial RCP/M may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, or 2400 baud using 8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity. - Current NASA Prediction Bulletins #502 - STS-30 1 19968U 89 33 A 89126.72091695 .00031482 00000-0 11766-3 0 107 2 19968 28.8886 326.5631 0026645 215.8116 144.0468 15.85763178 309 Alouette 1 1 00424U 89119.51919572 0.00000275 32047-3 0 1991 2 00424 80.4663 333.8261 0022640 256.9862 102.8734 13.67128515326169 LAGEOS 1 08820U 89122.36967015 0.00000002 0 7412 2 08820 109.8204 214.3843 0044909 325.8128 33.9779 6.38664061 47700 GOES 2 1 10061U 89117.90800610 -.00000006 0 2547 2 10061 7.0357 68.9139 0005601 179.2928 180.6915 1.00274611 4879 GPS-0001 1 10684U 89122.58387580 0.00000011 10000-3 0 1071 2 10684 63.5432 102.2652 0107371 199.0126 160.5606 2.00561011 67619 GPS-0002 1 10893U 89111.57222263 -.00000028 0 9731 2 10893 64.5216 343.4269 0152916 28.5525 332.3410 2.00557950 80219 GOES 3 1 10953U 89117.95792983 0.00000084 10000-3 0 6448 2 10953 5.8887 71.6153 0006583 255.9114 103.9827 1.00285240 437 SeaSat 1 1 10967U 89121.02145934 0.00001111 43657-3 0 1096 2 10967 108.0075 190.4711 0002745 234.1947 125.8844 14.34533203567320 GPS-0003 1 11054U 89119.36580285 -.00000027 0 52 2 11054 64.0818 339.6548 0054541 117.1794 243.4103 2.00561431 77381 GPS-0004 1 11141U 89117.47659210 0.00000011 0 1417 2 11141 63.5366 102.3203 0058083 321.0487 38.5336 2.00575203 76048 NOAA 6 1 11416U 89122.08938020 0.00001222 53076-3 0 8411 2 11416 98.5063 120.4924 0009918 246.3203 113.6921 14.25712490511336 Solar Max 1 11703U 89120.69398548 0.00055520 10219-2 0 9254 2 11703 28.4987 253.4607 0001705 191.7425 168.3153 15.47784769512464 GPS-0006 1 11783U 89119.92475236 -.00000027 0 8757 2 11783 63.8692 339.3120 0142379 62.1227 299.3639 2.00567478 66038 GOES 4 1 11964U 89 97.28408596 -.00000249 10000-3 0 569 2 11964 4.7936 76.3436 0158171 23.8450 337.0124 0.99392857 1324 GOES 5 1 12472U 89115.81390816 -.00000246 10000-3 0 7237 2 12472 2.3140 84.2086 0003172 329.7158 27.6449 1.00256452 28089 SME 1 12887U 81100 A 89115.54504393 .00013766 00000-0 51748-3 0 1772 2 12887 97.6880 139.9001 0003409 90.5448 269.6160 15.27279449417119 UOSAT 1 1 12888U 89121.09898916 0.00068785 10633-2 0 5374 2 12888 97.5604 171.8782 0000897 147.6401 212.4697 15.53859889421662 Meteor 2-08 1 13113U 89110.45259458 0.00000247 21203-3 0 6350 2 13113 82.5365 104.6563 0013814 222.8933 137.1155 13.83977270357253 Salyut 7 1 13138U 89121.69579074 0.00035420 86645-3 0 5524 2 13138 51.6104 184.9249 0000756 311.0022 49.0387 15.40446949401023 LandSat 4 1 13367U 82 72 A 89113.62903427 .00002004 00000-0 45488-3 0 9194 2 13367 98.2165 177.9866 0002811 35.4502 324.7493 14.57112293360127 Meteor 2-09 1 13718U 89116.98419522 0.00000451 23221-3 0 7681 2 13718 81.2469 331.6462 0056312 143.3794 217.1272 14.13159299328329 IRAS 1 13777U 89115.94442776 -.00000043 -17922-4 0 6318 2 13777 99.0484 313.7735 0013671 95.9280 264.3430 13.98578929318893 GOES 6 1 14050U 89116.00961755 0.00000120 0 9371 2 14050 1.1696 83.4928 0000584 194.8330 163.9434 1.00257297 6081 OSCAR 10 1 14129U 89118.08889975 -.00000002 -51681+0 0 3964 2 14129 26.3399 268.1164 6055304 37.3937 352.2227 2.05880716 16180 GPS-0008 1 14189U 89120.51197520 0.00000010 0 6247 2 14189 63.1818 100.8446 0135011 215.4953 143.6040 2.00570446 42489 Meteor 2-10 1 14452U 89118.09553179 0.00000704 29902-3 0 7142 2 14452 81.1656 343.7555 0093775 241.1071 118.0674 14.22141862285423 LandSat 5 1 14780U 89120.59589979 0.00000868 20260-3 0 7364 2 14780 98.1716 183.7450 0003529 45.7467 314.3877 14.57117629274632 UOSAT 2 1 14781U 89114.23701940 0.00002712 53287-3 0 4365 2 14781 98.0075 174.5965 0013581 125.0138 235.2245 14.63403308274656 LDEF 1 14898U 89120.72869032 0.00033122 60796-3 0 8267 2 14898 28.5046 150.3186 0001749 98.4973 261.5607 15.47852003284086 GPS-0009 1 15039U 89117.57811348 0.00000010 0 6559 2 15039 62.9110 100.2412 0015391 275.9497 83.8607 2.00564906 35700 Meteor 2-11 1 15099U 89118.77440559 0.00000304 26557-3 0 9367 2 15099 82.5290 45.6712 0014652 21.1986 338.9780 13.83644510243284 GPS-0010 1 15271U 89120.96939771 -.00000028 0 6184 2 15271 63.3787 339.0459 0099499 320.1074 39.2165 2.00564748 32885 Cosmos 1602 1 15331U 89119.12416610 0.00003462 50484-3 0 160 2 15331 82.5422 23.7314 0022255 244.6445 115.2551 14.75423002246980 NOAA 9 1 15427U 89122.14677923 0.00000759 43529-3 0 3664 2 15427 99.1416 108.1958 0016467 82.7989 277.5052 14.11981070225953 Meteor 2-12 1 15516U 89120.09790295 0.00000354 30830-3 0 730 2 15516 82.5372 343.0195 0015178 253.1745 106.7711 13.84097874214406 Cosmos 1686 1 16095U 89121.69579828 0.00016432 40833-3 0 2366 2 16095 51.6073 184.9243 0001077 334.7551 25.3204 15.40439069401023 GPS-0011 1 16129U 89121.12422950 0.00000011 0 3124 2 16129 63.7081 100.7309 0115410 150.5877 210.0687 2.00564772 26095 Meteor 3-1 1 16191U 89115.85828279 0.00000043 10000-3 0 8215 2 16191 82.5420 272.7374 0021122 70.9834 289.3575 13.16868043168635 Meteor 2-13 1 16408U 89115.84739158 0.00000253 21731-3 0 4810 2 16408 82.5311 261.2476 0017540 85.7702 274.5464 13.84157896168318 Mir 1 16609U 89121.73239582 0.00020734 33283-3 0 8246 2 16609 51.6211 235.3272 0011312 250.7323 109.2326 15.52941335183940 SPOT 1 1 16613U 89122.99120016 0.00000345 17967-3 0 4514 2 16613 98.7007 198.1058 0000531 68.4555 291.6853 14.20039284 5714 Meteor 2-14 1 16735U 89115.88279849 0.00000178 15130-3 0 2936 2 16735 82.5350 288.0280 0014358 153.7143 206.4750 13.83899951147226 Cosmos 1766 1 16881U 89120.84530188 0.00001924 28195-3 0 5912 2 16881 82.5241 81.7377 0021421 252.2013 107.6841 14.74998915148317 EGP 1 16908U 89110.45964276 -.00000029 66726-4 0 1226 2 16908 50.0094 115.5450 0011499 200.0590 159.9794 12.44377637122222 FO-12 1 16909U 89112.36835661 -.00000025 10000-3 0 1414 2 16909 50.0159 109.9094 0011193 203.0127 157.0209 12.44399273122451 NOAA 10 1 16969U 89114.50409837 0.00000777 36204-3 0 2160 2 16969 98.6403 146.0116 0014573 49.4956 310.7489 14.22958934136301 Meteor 2-15 1 17290U 89115.22528347 0.00000343 30168-3 0 2438 2 17290 82.4706 196.2522 0014290 55.6694 304.5815 13.83708811116291 MOS-1 1 17527U 87 18 A 89113.58957768 .00000187 00000-0 16549-3 0 954 2 17527 99.1501 185.5030 0000837 119.8671 240.4688 13.94830615110769 GOES 7 1 17561U 89115.70765195 -.00000038 10000-3 0 2611 2 17561 0.1243 98.4452 0002548 173.3379 88.1959 1.00274602 1234 Kvant 1 17845U 89121.73238681 0.00029374 46759-3 0 7417 2 17845 51.6212 235.3227 0011576 251.6274 108.2944 15.52955103120215 RS-10/11 1 18129U 89121.86700973 -.00000111 -12941-3 0 7444 2 18129 82.9233 272.3646 0011914 173.7751 186.3514 13.71969700 93044 Cosmos 1870 1 18225U 89122.67045190 0.00140338 10231-4 21638-3 0 75 2 18225 71.8732 177.3247 0010634 249.7024 110.2642 16.04030085103996 Meteor 2-16 1 18312U 89115.39952766 0.00000219 18868-3 0 2635 2 18312 82.5529 261.3540 0012524 351.1259 8.9663 13.83456337 85210 Meteor 2-17 1 18820U 89115.91107135 0.00000244 20871-3 0 1059 2 18820 82.5448 322.1108 0018343 56.9733 303.3185 13.84148812 62451 AO-13 1 19216U 89 89.37166448 -.00000028 10000-3 0 346 2 19216 57.2895 213.9669 6688587 201.4192 106.6281 2.09699506 6084 OKEAN 1 1 19274U 88 56 A 89114.98768533 .00002979 00000-0 44205-3 0 3520 2 19274 82.5192 185.7830 0024113 48.5712 311.7482 14.74569133 43244 Meteor 3-2 1 19336U 89121.01046131 0.00000391 10000-2 0 1840 2 19336 82.5476 209.0222 0016064 263.3975 96.5314 13.16922605 36704 NOAA 11 1 19531U 89111.54455513 0.00000898 52061-3 0 702 2 19531 98.9351 55.8418 0013218 34.9329 325.2707 14.10953152 29482 GPS-0014 1 19802U 89 13 A 89112.65814275 .00000015 00000-0 99999-4 0 301 2 19802 55.1161 213.9967 0069734 154.7705 205.7027 2.00553753 1314 Meteor 2-18 1 19851U 89119.10025885 0.00000116 10000-3 0 296 2 19851 82.5291 198.3252 0016753 89.6634 270.6447 13.83788336 8290 Cosmos 2007 1 19900U 89111.68155825 0.00328568 53900-4 45747-3 0 599 2 19900 64.7376 294.5535 0046890 113.4393 247.1709 16.03352976 4699 Cosmos 2008 1 19902U 89116.00392757 -.00000006 0 119 2 19902 74.0150 350.9818 0049383 47.6256 312.8966 12.57624316 4085 Cosmos 2009 1 19903U 89115.97367855 -.00000006 0 194 2 19903 74.0136 351.1735 0040920 57.9208 302.5814 12.55708122 4073 Cosmos 2010 1 19904U 89116.02198481 -.00000007 0 123 2 19904 74.0169 351.2452 0029998 57.7151 302.6852 12.53835344 4072 Cosmos 2011 1 19905U 89115.99017871 -.00000007 0 100 2 19905 74.0133 351.4784 0020649 63.6620 296.6555 12.51975370 4035 Cosmos 2012 1 19906U 89116.04082705 -.00000007 0 173 2 19906 74.0154 351.5364 0009996 71.0983 289.1155 12.50018203 4069 Cosmos 2013 1 19907U 89116.01420355 -.00000006 0 122 2 19907 74.0155 351.7657 0010079 145.8879 214.2831 12.47957635 4029 Cosmos 2014 1 19908U 89115.74202185 -.00000006 0 121 2 19908 74.0137 352.2749 0013011 203.8083 156.2365 12.46073020 4011 Cosmos 2015 1 19909U 89116.04063931 -.00000007 0 121 2 19909 74.0160 352.0316 0026013 201.5921 158.4034 12.43852318 4006 Cos 2008-15 1 19910U 89113.23932265 -.00000006 0 147 2 19910 74.0126 357.2113 0134375 228.1294 130.8211 12.23001671 3636 Delta Star 1 19911U 89115.83185253 -.00008444 -34058-3 0 490 2 19911 47.6782 237.1065 0009644 138.5781 221.4369 15.23615754 4861 TDRS 3 R/B 1 19913U 89112.93435508 0.00000028 10000-3 0 119 2 19913 2.1633 57.0036 0026791 207.9139 151.7442 1.00619254 335 1989 027A 1 19919U 89115.39349429 0.00000064 10000-3 0 215 2 19919 0.0999 92.6385 0003757 294.6060 332.8282 1.00274867 104 1989 027B 1 19920U 89119.09018115 -.00044246 19062-4 -69849-5 0 349 2 19920 4.5235 17.2364 7326100 212.1714 83.2276 2.31530723 635 1989 028A 1 19921U 89122.43552170 0.00000152 15077-3 0 273 2 19921 82.9594 120.0189 0038515 217.6923 142.1535 13.73921585 3800 1989 028B 1 19922U 89117.08932977 0.00000059 54697-4 0 296 2 19922 82.9550 123.9075 0033528 215.3243 144.7293 13.75750065 3071 1989 030A 1 19928U 89122.22498242 -.00000150 10000-3 0 254 2 19928 1.4185 277.4404 0003404 53.6683 305.7365 1.00290090 190 1980 030D 1 19931U 89116.20366990 -.00000107 10000-3 0 97 2 19931 1.4446 276.8658 0017895 17.3869 342.2987 0.97928741 136 Cosmos 2018 1 19938U 89123.19428103 0.01682685 41813-4 30095-3 0 337 2 19938 62.8086 27.0561 0077868 90.4647 270.6656 16.23540855 2002 1989 032A 1 19941U 89122.72449744 0.00177456 96630-5 24965-3 0 165 2 19941 62.8194 36.4275 0116782 112.3689 248.9900 15.93523479 963 1989 032B 1 19942U 89122.39234276 0.01499538 39749-4 12695-2 0 130 2 19942 62.8072 37.5799 0092994 117.6501 243.3884 16.04265094 915 -- Dr TS Kelso Asst Professor of Space Operations tkelso@blackbird.afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 89 08:09:46 GMT From: indri!polyslo!jmckerna@ames.arc.nasa.gov (John McKernan) Subject: Re: Private spending for space science In article <1989May5.173527.20962@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >Have you looked at how much a prominent university can raise in a big, >well-run drive to recruit private funding? Hint: it's a lot. > >Agreed that the first impulse of most universities would be to go begging >to the government, but it's not the only way. Let's assume for the sake of argument that a well run University program could spend money ten times more efficiently than NASA. Universities don't spend money that efficiently, so even with NASA's huge waste I don't think you'd get much more than a factor of 10 improvement. That's still over a billion a year. Granted that a LARGE consortium of universities MIGHT be able to raise that much money on a yearly basis, their spending priorities are such that they could not spend anything like that much money on space R&D. They would spend the money on administration buildings and personnel, academic buildings and professors, and all the things universities like. They would never spend a billion a year of their own money just on space, even if they could raise that much. I think the same argument applies to as little as 100 million a year. In my opinion, at least for the foreseeable future, it is just a fact that you can't get as much done in planetary probes and manned space as NASA without government money. We probably should do whatever little we can to improve the way NASA spends money, though I fear there is precious little we can do. John L. McKernan. Student, Computer Science, Cal Poly S.L.O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The future is rude and pushy. It won't wait for us to solve today's problems before it butts in with tomorrow's. ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 89 08:35:47 GMT From: unmvax!polyslo!jmckerna@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (John McKernan) Subject: Re: Private spending for space science In article <1989May5.173527.20962@utzoo.uucp> henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >Have you looked at how much a prominent university can raise in a big, >well-run drive to recruit private funding? Hint: it's a lot. > >Agreed that the first impulse of most universities would be to go begging >to the government, but it's not the only way. Let's assume for the sake of argument that a well run University program could spend money 20 times more efficiently than NASA. Universities don't spend money that efficiently, so even with NASA's huge waste I don't think you'd get much more than a factor of 20 improvement. That's still over 500 million a year. Granted that a LARGE consortium of universities MIGHT be able to raise that much money on a yearly basis, their spending priorities are such that they could not spend anything like that much money on space R&D. They would spend the money on administration buildings and personnel, academic buildings and professors, and all the things universities like. I think the same argument applies to as little as 100 million a year. In my opinion, at least for the foreseeable future, it is just a fact that you can't get as much done in planetary probes and manned space as NASA without government money. We probably should do whatever little we can to improve the way NASA spends money, though I fear there is precious little we can do. NOTE: Here's a little preemptive repition for NASA bashers like William Baxter or whoever. I'm talking about planetary probes, manned space and the like, not private satellite launchers. Furthermore I am talking about government vs private money. If you want to change the way NASA spends its government money in the direction of CDSF or whatever, that's fine with me. NASA should get out of the launch business entirely. John L. McKernan. Student, Computer Science, Cal Poly S.L.O. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The future is rude and pushy. It won't wait for us to solve today's problems before it butts in with tomorrow's. ------------------------------ Date: 6 May 89 22:48:21 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@purdue.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: manned vs. unmanned (was: Priorities at NASA?) In article <246@umigw.MIAMI.EDU> steve@umigw.miami.edu (steve emmerson) writes: >I would not be surprised if Congress decided to rearrange it's space >priorities based on testimony that the manned program is grossly >inefficient... It would surprise me. They've been hearing such claims for 30 years, and nothing has happened. Congress has generally been quite happy to go along with giving big projects priority over small ones (e.g. letting Galileo eat most of the planetary-probe budget year after year). -- Mars in 1980s: USSR, 2 tries, | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 2 failures; USA, 0 tries. | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #418 *******************