Return-path: X-Andrew-Authenticated-as: 7997;andrew.cmu.edu;Ted Anderson Received: from holmes.andrew.cmu.edu via trymail for +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl@andrew.cmu.edu (->+dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr1/ota/space/space.dl) (->ota+space.digests) ID ; Tue, 28 Mar 89 03:16:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Reply-To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU From: space-request+@Andrew.CMU.EDU To: space+@Andrew.CMU.EDU Date: Tue, 28 Mar 89 03:16:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: SPACE Digest V9 #317 SPACE Digest Volume 9 : Issue 317 Today's Topics: space news from Jan 16 AW&ST Re^2: Babies born in space Second call for votes on sci.edu newsgroup Re: Room Temperature Fusion - possible indication? Re: Room Temperature fusion - possible indications? Re: Room Temperature Fusion - possible indication? Re: Room Temperature Fusion - possible indication? APRIL 11 -- PRINCETON SPACE POLICY CONFERENCE -- DON'T MISS THIS! Re: Room Temperature fusion - possible indications? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Mar 89 04:50:26 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: space news from Jan 16 AW&ST Cover: photo of the systems-test prototype of the Soviet shuttle, in its bay at Baikonur. Galileo's maneuvering thrusters returned to MBB for testing and modification. They can overheat, it turns out. This was discovered fortuitously during experiments with TVSat 1, the abandoned German comsat that failed to deploy one solar array -- it used similar thrusters. Galileo planners want to see reliable thrusters several weeks before Galileo goes to the Cape on May 12, otherwise the schedule will be in trouble. Japan's IASA and NASDA are studying [unmanned] lunar rovers for possible launch in the next decade. Retiring SecCommerce William Verity denounces NASA and its contractors for restricting the US space program to their own interests, saying that the shuttle is a trucking operation, the space station is unnecessary, and NASA should be ordered back to science and exploration. "Will a future Christopher Columbus study space science, only to discover his career options are limited to a government bureaucracy that runs a glorified trucking operation or a cost-plus contractor that just fills orders?" USAF FY90-91 budget plans include no funding for Asat work. Pentagon board suggests that the Army should take the lead in Asat efforts, partly because the Army is considered most likely to cooperate with other services if things get serious. (The USAF is bowing out, and the Navy is not interested unless the weapon is sea-based.) Stiff Congressional opposition is expected if any serious attempt is made to get an Asat program going again. It is not clear whether Congress will balk at the proposed conversion of the Miracl experimental laser for Asat tests. The tests are aimed at resolving some doubts about how vulnerable satellites are to lasers. The An-225 Mria begins flight tests. [This is the giant cargo aircraft fitted to carry Soviet shuttle components externally.] Soviets reveal they have twice space-tested a new nuclear reactor design, Topaz, using thermionic technology well in advance of the US thermoelectric designs (which have never flown) (the US has avoided thermionics, partly because the technology is considered unproven and risky). One Topaz ran for six months, the other for a year; future versions are aimed at a three-year lifetime, while five years at several hundred kilowatts (the tests were 10 kW) looks feasible. To cap it off, the Soviets have informally indicated that they are interested in selling Topazes to the US! [The Soviets have been talking about nuclear-electric rockets for a manned Mars mission. Sounds like they're already testing hardware for it.] More photos and coverage from Baikonur. Buran's mission was nearly letter- perfect, including landing 1.5 m from the runway center line despite an 18 m/s (40 mph) crosswind 30 degrees from the centerline. Soviets say their thermal tiles are designed for about 10 reentries before replacement, and admit that applying them to the shuttle is difficult. Final checkout of the second orbiter should be completed this year; apparently there is still some uncertainty about its name. The Soviets are starting to use "Buran" as a generic name for their shuttle, creating some confusion. Photo of orbiter #2 surrounded by workstands. Buran was parked outside during the visit (in subzero weather) for inspection of propellant tanks. AW&ST says the orbiter building looks frankly shabby from outside, although workmanship is much better on the inside -- evidently outside appearance was not a priority. Igor Volk and Rimantas Stankiavicius are in training for the first orbital shuttle mission. Photos of the launch pad used for the first Energia mission. Soviets say it is earmarked for non-shuttle missions. Letter in the letter column observes that in 1984, AW&ST published a drawing of the Soviet shuttle with some lettering that made no sense at the time: just aft of the mid-deck, it was labelled "Buran"! Somebody knew the name of the thing four years before the Soviets revealed it... -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 89 16:56:52 GMT From: mcvax!ukc!axion!stc!idec!camcon!cpc@uunet.uu.net (Chris Cracknell) Subject: Re^2: Babies born in space CHUNTER@UMAB.BITNET (Colin Hunter) writes: >From: >m.cs.uiuc.edu!s.cs.uiuc.edu!carroll@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu writes >> I saw a report recently that had a Get-Away-Special mission that was >>sending up half of a set of ``identical'' chicken eggs, the other half >>staying on the ground as a control group. While not exactly human >>development, I'd say it's certainly a first step in such research. >This sounds like an almost useless experiment if the intention is to >extrapolate the results they will obtain to human foetal development. Earlier Much of early embryogenesis is very species-independant. (This is often quoted as a piece of evidence for related ancestry of vertebrates.) I have an embryologist friend currently studying bird eggs mainly because it is easy to get to the embryo without worrying about having to cut open and keep alive a mother. I suspect that this is a major reason for using eggs in such a study. Chris Cracknell ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 89 22:02:56 GMT From: lvc@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Lawrence V. Cipriani) Subject: Second call for votes on sci.edu newsgroup This is the second call for votes for the proposed sci.edu newsgroup, just in case you missed it the first time. I lost three votes (sorry). One from a lady with a first name of Lili, from CMU I believe, and one from a gentleman from AT&T. The third I can't remember anything about, other than it was a yes vote. I received these around March 14th. If you voted around this time and you want to be certain I have your vote, just vote again. I will check for duplicates in the final tally. Here is some repeated information from the first call for votes: I had to post this twice since postnews wouldn't let me post to 16 newsgroups at once, please reply to this only once. As a reader of many of the sci and comp newsgroups I have seen a lot of material that is discussed more appropriately in a general education forum. Unfortunately, such a news group does not exist. Hence, sci.edu. It would be used to bring general discussion of education, and in particular science education, into one news group. Votes will be collected until April 6th. If the number of yes votes exceeds the number of no votes by 100, the newsgroup will be created. If you are for or against this proposed newsgroup send me your vote along with your email address. Just replying to this article (the R command in rn) should get it to me. If that does not work, try manually sending it to: lvc@cis.ohio-state.edu (...!osu-cis!tut!lvc might work too). As a last resort, try the address lvc@cbnews.att.com (...!att!cbnews!lvc). Group or posted votes will not be counted. I will not be able to reply to you individually until after the voting period is over. Followups to this article have been directed to news.groups. Thank you for your vote. -- Larry Cipriani, lvc@cis.ohio-state.edu ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 89 04:24:03 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Room Temperature Fusion - possible indication? In article <1989Mar24.084857.22929@cs.rochester.edu> dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz) writes: >Nuclear proliferation may have just become a lot easier... Only if the thing can be made to explode, which isn't at all clear. It doesn't sound significantly more useful for breeding plutonium than an ordinary reactor, and reactors are not hard to build if you are not too worried about efficiency and safety. -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 89 04:13:42 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Room Temperature fusion - possible indications? In article <4380@mtuxo.att.com> tee@mtuxo.att.com (54317-T.EBERSOLE) writes: >...there are reactions which eject fast-moving ions (electrons, etc.) with >no gamma rays or neutrons; I seem to recall these involve carbon as one >of the "reactants." Anyone know what these particular fusion reactions >are, or have a reference I could look this up in? ... The major ones are deuterium plus helium-3 yielding helium-4 plus proton (unfortunately there is also some tendency for the deuterium to react with itself, so neutron emission isn't zero; also, helium-3 is rare and extremely expensive) and boron-11 plus proton yielding helium-4 (works fine but rather harder to ignite). -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 89 04:55:21 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Room Temperature Fusion - possible indication? In article <563256.890324.MINSKY@AI.AI.MIT.EDU> MINSKY@AI.AI.MIT.EDU (Marvin Minsky) writes: >Here is a thoery of what is happening -- IF it is happening. Thermal >fusion requires a very high temperature because at lower speeds each >proton will scatter the other before colliding, if they are slightly >misaligned... ...if the protons are perfectly aligned, the fusion >temperature is quite modest -- I think of the order of kilovolts... >But I can't figure out how to get the required kilovolts into that >solution with electrodes... The alternative is that this is non-thermal fusion. The temperatures are not an end in themselves: they are a way of pushing nuclei very close together. As Paul Dietz speculated, this may be pycnonuclear fusion: fusion induced by pressure rather than temperature. I'm more than slightly surprised that they can get enough pressure out of chemical bonds, mind you... -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 89 04:19:07 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Room Temperature Fusion - possible indication? Let us all be very cautious about this; while it sounds promising, there have been major scientific false alarms before. (For example, there were a number of high-temperature-superconductor false alarms before Bednorz and Muller hit the jackpot -- this was one reason why their report was slow to be accepted.) -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 89 03:10:34 GMT From: EWTILENI@pucc.princeton.edu (Eric William Tilenius) Subject: APRIL 11 -- PRINCETON SPACE POLICY CONFERENCE -- DON'T MISS THIS! 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Tilenius | ColorVenture Software | ewtileni@pucc.BITNET Princeton University | 11 Prospect Drive South | ewtileni@pucc.Princeton.EDU 332 Walker Hall | Huntington Sta, NY 11746 | rutgers!pucc.bitnet!ewtileni Princeton, NJ 08544 | 516-424-2298 | princeton!pucc!ewtileni 609-734-4911 | * Sft. for the CoCo 3 * | CIS: 70346,16 ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 89 04:57:58 GMT From: mailrus!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!utgpu!utzoo!henry@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Room Temperature fusion - possible indications? In article <1989Mar25.041342.25786@utzoo.uucp> I wrote: >>...there are reactions which eject fast-moving ions (electrons, etc.) with >>no gamma rays or neutrons... > >The major ones are deuterium plus helium-3 yielding helium-4 plus proton... >... and boron-11 plus proton yielding helium-4 ... Oops, I should amend that: those are the major reactions that don't yield neutrons. If you're after a reaction that doesn't yield gamma rays, you may be looking for a long time. Almost any nuclear process yields gamma rays to some extent. -- Welcome to Mars! Your | Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology passport and visa, comrade? | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu ------------------------------ End of SPACE Digest V9 #317 *******************