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Subject: SPACE Digest V8 #368

SPACE Digest                                      Volume 8 : Issue 368

Today's Topics:
		  Re: space exploration/exploitation
		       Re: Berserker hypothesis
		 Re: Are we ready for terraforming???
		    space exploration/exploitation
		     Re: eyewitnesses to history
	     Re: The sun as a trashcan (was : Plutonium)
			       Re: Seti
			  Re: Why no aliens
		      Re: Orbital Mech Algorithm
		      Re: Naming the new Shuttle
	     Survey results, and 'Why aren't they here?"
		 Re: Inverse SETI (Was:  ET phone ho
			  Re: Why no aliens
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Date: 2 Sep 88 18:28:56 GMT
From: jgk@speech2.cs.cmu.edu  (Joe Keane)
Subject: Re: space exploration/exploitation

In article <48@calmasd.GE.COM> jnp@calmasd.GE.COM (John Pantone) writes:
>What will NASA and the U.S. Govt. say/do when a
>prominent space scientist LEAVES THE US AND GOES TO THE SOVIET UNION
>BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THE ACTION IS?

Maybe this belongs on talk.rumors, but i heard John Denver will pay
the USSR $10M to go up into space.  Can anyone confirm or deny this?

--Joe
--

------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 88 18:07:26 GMT
From: att!ihlpl!knudsen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu  (Knudsen)
Subject: Re: Berserker hypothesis

In article <2196@silver.bacs.indiana.edu>, chiaravi@silver.bacs.indiana.edu (Lucius Chiaraviglio) writes:

> As a corollary to this, if humans acquired a religion and/or political
> ideology directing them to spread as much as possible and exterminate all life
> not required for their own support (and also exterminate all humans not
> conforming to this religion/ideology), they would count as berserkers, even
> though they are not machines.

IF what?  The ancient Hebrews, European CHristians, their New World
descendants (Esp. Brazil), farmers, whalers -- all sorts of human races
fit this definition perfectly.  The US probably has a copyright
on it.  No smileys.

Maybe we should be glad that the benign Russians have taken over
space exploration (OK, a smiley on this one).
Unfortunately, benign races don't bother going across the ocean, let
alone into space, Vulcans notwithstanding.

------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 88 18:14:51 GMT
From: att!ihlpl!knudsen@ucbvax.berkeley.edu  (Knudsen)
Subject: Re: Are we ready for terraforming???

In article <10183@reed.UUCP>, douglas@reed.UUCP (P Douglas Reeder) writes:

> The greenhouse effect warms the earth up.  Particulate matter, from burning
> coal, etc. cuts down on sunlight.  It has been suggested that we may
> need to balance these effects against one another.

This reminded me to post my own theory on Nuclear Winter.
After a year or so of freezing weather caused by
all the particulates, the particles would settle out of the
atmosphere.  Then the excess of CO2 from all the burning cities,
exacerbated by the lack of growing plants during the cold and
cloudy "winter," would take over, and we'd go from the deep freeze
into the oven.  This overheating would continue until Earth
recovered her pre-war balance, if ever.

BTW, about volcanic contributions -- after Krakatoa blew up around
1880 (several 100 megatons' worth I believe), the dust in
the air caused cooler temperatures than normal worldwide for two
years.  Sunsets were blood-red from the dust in the atmosphere.
I don't recall hearing of any similar effects after World War II,
during which all major cities of Germany and Japan were converted
into soot and CO2.

------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 88 14:14:00 GMT
From: apollo!nelson_p@eddie.mit.edu  (Peter Nelson)
Subject: space exploration/exploitation


  Kevin Van Horn posts


>>  The bottom line remains that this notion of free-enterprise
>>  in space is just a pipe-dream with a lot of conveeenient
>>  excuses by it's proponents.    
>
>Tell that to American Rocket Company, the Hercules-Orbital Sciences
>Corporation partnership, and Pacific American Launch Systems.  All three are
>pushing on to provide new launchers in spite of governmental obstacles.  AMROC
> [ ... ]
         

  We weren't talking about those kinds of ventures.  I expect them to
  succeed.  You've drifted from the original subject.

  Originally, several Libertarians or other idealists posted or 
  emailed messages to the effect that they 'had plans' to move
  to commercially self-sustaining politically independent space
  colonies and we'd all better get out their way and let them through.  

  I intimated that this was all pie-in-the-sky and that if they really
  expected to see it happen in their lifetimes they had better be 
  working Real Hard on it now and what we they doing, etc.  

  I got back messages saying, to the effect, 'Oh, well, we *would*
  be working on it 'cept for the government might try to stop us, etc.
  So as I expected, it's just a lot of talk and daydreams.

  I fully expect the aerospace companies, in cooperation with companies
  that can benefit from being in space (comm. satellites, pharmecutical
  companies, etc?) to be up there in some form in the next 10 - 15 years
  or so, though perhaps not with actual people on board.   And, of course, 
  the companies may be Japanese rather than American...

                                              --Peter Nelson

------------------------------

Date: 1 Sep 88 15:32:52 GMT
From: uplherc!esunix!bpendlet@gr.utah.edu  (Bob Pendleton)
Subject: Re: eyewitnesses to history

From article <14094@ames.arc.nasa.gov>, by mike@ames.arc.nasa.gov (Mike Smithwick):
> []
> 
> I thought I'd start something not so serious here. . .
> 
> How many of you guys out there in net.land have ever attended a
> launch? I have had the priviledge of going back to Florida
> for the Apollo 11, 15 and 17 launches.

My wife was given VIP passes to a February '84 launch of Challenger.
The one carrying the Brighton High student experiments. So of course
we went, even though she was 8 months pregnant at the time.

During the tour of KSC I was struck by how small all the boosters
seemed, compared to the image I'd had in my mind. Even a Saturn V is
small compared to an ocean going ship. Tiny, compared to the old
airships.

We watched the launch from the VIP viewing stand, about as close as
you can get. The LAUNCH! WOW! You feel the SSMEs in your ears and your
guts, but the SRBs shake the world! The Challenger didn't lift off,
folks she DANCED into the sky. Looked like she was going home, and
damned glad to be on the way.

It's silly, but writing this has brought tears to my eyes.

		Bob P.

"We Pray for one last landing,
 On the globe that gave us birth.
 Let us rest our eyes on the fleecy skys
 And the cool green hils of earth."

       R. A. Heinlein, from "The Green Hills of Earth"

Quoted from memory, so it might not be quite right.
-- 
Bob Pendleton @ Evans & Sutherland
UUCP Address:  {decvax,ucbvax,allegra}!decwrl!esunix!bpendlet
Alternate:     utah-cs!esunix!bpendlet
        I am solely responsible for what I say.

------------------------------

Date: 2 Sep 88 16:54:59 GMT
From: tektronix!tekig5!robina@ucbvax.berkeley.edu  (Robin Adams)
Subject: Re: The sun as a trashcan (was : Plutonium)


> The easiest way to get rid of nuclear waste would be to hard land it on
> the moon. Would it be possible to build a railgun/mass driver/etc. ....

A much better way to get rid of nuclear waste (from 1988) would be to
encapsulate it (however big and expensive the container) - and keep it
right here on earth.

I'm quite sure that this stuff will one day be worth much more than it's
weight in gold. --Consider even the possibility that future minds might
be able to design small vessels which release the heat but zero radiation,
and that an ordinary house with a central heating system incorporating
this container could go at least one entire winter without paying for gas,
oil, etc.

Hopefully a design which, having used it's energy as heat radiation, would
become harmless. Perhaps the vessel remaining useful (building block?)
without emptying it's contents.

------------------------------

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