From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 18:20:08 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22556 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 18:20:04 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA01423 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 18:20:00 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486472(3)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:21:12 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZHA49ATO88WYJ0D@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: JONATHAN KANDELL To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 12:21:11 -0400 Status: RO Anonymous writes "I'll be damned if ...it wasn't a religious experience [when Thurston milked the pause in Expressway to Yr Skull]." Yes yes yes. That pause *always* moves me. A general question: What other "great pauses " are there in music? Either rock, punk or classical. jk, tucson From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 19:40:02 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22639 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:39:57 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA16684 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:39:54 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486477(5)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 13:38:41 -0400 Message-Id: Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: chip@banzai.pcc.com (Chip Hart) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 13:38:18 -0400 Status: RO >Anonymous writes "I'll be damned if ...it wasn't a religious experience >[when Thurston milked the pause in Expressway to Yr Skull]." Then,jk: > Yes yes yes. That pause *always* moves me. Ditto. I thought that moment was the highlight of their show [yo volk!] last spring. > A general question: What other "great pauses > " are there in music? Either rock, punk or classical. Zillions. Bach - Toccata and Fugue in Dm [The Phantom of the Opera organ tune]. Depending on the interpretation, there are dozens of pauses. My fave rock pause probably appears on the Hendrix "Radio One" CD that came out on Ryko a few years back. On "Killing Floor", Jimi stops playing guitar for a few bars right after the solo and it kills me every time. It's one thing to know when to play...another thing entirely to know when NOT to play. When he decides to come back in, it's heaven. Then, of course, there's Slayer :-) -- Chip Hart - chip@pcc.com | People's Computer Co. | I hate it when people quote themselves in their Williston, Vermont | sigs. - Me From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 21:07:15 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22728 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 21:07:11 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA00835 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 21:07:03 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486623(3)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:06:10 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZHM3YZXVS000FJU@TRENTU.CA> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Derek Hall To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:06:07 -0400 Status: RO Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..." I always thought that it was "You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else comment on this- what is the Net wisdom? As for pauses in music, to keep to SY examples, the break in between "Intro" and "Brave Men Run" is pretty good too. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 21:57:23 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22808 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 21:57:18 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA08990 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 21:57:15 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486490(4)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:58:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199306171953.AA27663@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: rob@msc.cornell.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 15:58:05 -0400 Status: RO >Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off >Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..." I always thought that it was >"You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else >comment on this- what is the Net wisdom? "I'm the boy, who can enjoy, invisibility" which is etched on at least one SY release, two if memory servers, and which is a line lifted from James Joyce's _Portrait of an Artist as a Young Sonic_. >As for pauses in music, to keep to SY examples, the break in between >"Intro" and "Brave Men Run" is pretty good too. Definitely. The Expressway break at the July 4th show was really long, but not too long, just long enough. Whoosh. I saw god as well. Trying to pay more attention to the list, Rob V. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 22:12:45 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22824 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:12:40 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA12293 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:12:37 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486629(5)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:13:19 -0400 Message-Id: Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: soniq@mindvox.phantom.com (Soniq) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:13:01 -0400 Status: RO JONATHAN KANDELL writes: > Yes yes yes. That pause *always* moves me. > > A general question: What other "great pauses > " are there in music? Either rock, punk or classical. Right off the toppa my head The Who's My Generation is fulla pauses. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 22:29:22 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22854 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:29:18 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA13979 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:29:15 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486624(3)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:30:28 -0400 Message-Id: <93Jun17.162736edt.576720-3@router.mail.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Fred Francis To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: the next link in the chain Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:30:25 -0400 Status: RO I've just recently hooked up with this list and so will present my meager SY credentials in hopes of getting some advice. I have only 4 releases by Sonic Youth, 2 of which seem to be the most disdained here (_Goo_ and _Dirty_, did I really have to specify?). Also I have _Evol_ and _Daydream Nation_, and agree that they are works of high art. But where do I go from here? Everyone has their faves, and I will, from within the confines of my lowly financial niche, eventually get to them all. But what's the next acquisition? -=el phred=- From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 17 22:39:22 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22868 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:39:19 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA16840 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Jun 1993 22:39:16 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486465(5)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:40:29 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZHJ61280I8WYQ2S@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: JONATHAN KANDELL To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 16:40:21 -0400 Status: RO Derek Hall writes that he thinks "You're the boy/the can of joy" should be "you're the boy that can enjoy". I got my lyrics off of the lp lyric sheet; I'll double check them tonight. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 00:59:00 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA23895 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 00:58:56 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA16076 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 00:58:54 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486462(5)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:00:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9306172257.AA21621@thor.INS.CWRU.Edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: meb6@po.CWRU.Edu (Mason E. Boor) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:00:16 -0400 Status: RO Some great pauses that I love in Classical music are scattered throughout the 10 Mahler Symphonies. The best few are 1. Halfway through the last movement of the 1st symophony 2. Halfway through the last movement of the 2nd symphony If you like classical at all and have never listend to Mahler, I would reccomend him to all...he is truly the master. I would rank him right up there with Sonic Youth :) -- The world is a big watermelon Jump right in and spit out the seeds meb6 Mason Jar From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 01:14:39 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA23912 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 01:14:29 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18684 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 01:14:16 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486462(2)>; Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:15:20 -0400 Message-Id: <9306172316.AA21714@bohr.physics.purdue.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Best Sonic Songs Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1993 19:15:18 -0400 Status: RO The gospel according to Mike: >... The best SY song is the one I'm > listening to at a given moment ... > > actually, my favorites are I Dreamed I Dream Death to our Friends Titanium Expose selah, Dan From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 06:27:12 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24088 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 06:27:05 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22520 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 06:27:02 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486450(1)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 00:27:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9306180421.AA17614@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: 9047457u@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au (9047457u) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Action Swingers Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 00:27:46 -0400 Status: RO Hi, I'm new at this so be easy on me please. I have heard of a group called "Action Swingers" that apparently contain some ex-members of SY, has anyone heard of them, are they any good ? Thanks in advance Dean T. Pribetic 9047457u@lux.levels.unisa.edu.au From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 09:25:05 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24210 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:24:59 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA05970 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:24:56 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486479(1)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 03:26:25 -0400 Message-Id: Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Simon Blomberg To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: St. Mary's Place Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 03:26:23 -0400 Status: RO Hi folks, I picked up a German pressing of a SY CD called "Anarchy at St. Mary's Place." Does anyone know anything about it? It's got early stuff on it like "Expressway to yr skull", "Kill yr Idols", "Brave men run". This is my first post to sonic-life-l, although I've been lurking for ages. I have now joined the fray... Simon. simonb@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 09:55:43 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24294 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:55:38 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA08284 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:55:34 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486478(4)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 03:56:43 -0400 Message-Id: Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: bbs.noodle@tsoft.net (Margaret Garcia) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 03:56:40 -0400 Status: RO UNSUBSCRIBE bbs.noodle UNSUBSCRIBE bbs.noodle@tsoft.net -- Margaret Garcia (bbs.noodle@tsoft.net) From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 11:42:14 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24479 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:42:10 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA16295 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:42:04 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486444(3)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:42:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199306180939.AA20605@prom.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:42:26 -0400 Status: RO >Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off >Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..." I always thought that it was >"You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else >comment on this- what is the Net wisdom? It _is_ (I think) 'you're the boy that can enjoy invisibility' And if I'm not mistaken, it is actually a quotation of someone, not sure who though... Was this text not in the inlay of the CD? Here is the complete text I think : Secret Girls ------ ----- My mother used to say 'you're the boy that can enjoy invisibility' i'm the boy that can enjoy invisibility close your eyes make a wish cross yourself see yourself feel yourself scream once more move yourself across the floor burn inside between two walls the advertisements say that pleasure's ever lasting come touch me the advertisements say that pleasure's ever lasting must be dead and gone to heaven come and touch me here so i know that i'm not there There you go... Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 11:57:24 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24520 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:57:19 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA17197 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:57:08 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486488(3)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:56:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199306180943.AA20608@prom.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the next link in the chain Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 05:56:26 -0400 Status: RO -=el fred=- (funny name that..) wants to know which album to buy after Goo, Dirty, Evol and DDN.. I'd say _Confusion Is Sex_ because I like it.. but other people say Bad Moon Rising (This last bit is typed by a freak sitting next to me, but he may be right...) Hans, always eager to give useless commentry. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 12:10:46 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24582 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 12:10:39 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18484 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 12:10:35 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486620(5)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 06:01:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199306180954.AA20625@prom.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Action Swingers Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 06:01:35 -0400 Status: RO >I have heard of a group called "Action Swingers" that apparently contain some >ex-members of SY, has anyone heard of them, are they any good ? Do they happen to have a lot of percussion? What are their names, Richard Edson, Jim Sclavunos and Bob Bert? Sorry 'bout this.. Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 14:06:13 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24888 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:06:06 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26581 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:06:02 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486468(1)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 08:05:16 -0400 Message-Id: <93Jun18.080214edt.576726-3@router.mail.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Johannes Waldmann To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 08:05:09 -0400 Status: RO > Anonymous writes "I'll be damned if ...it wasn't a religious experience > [when Thurston milked the pause in Expressway to Yr Skull]." > > Yes yes yes. That pause *always* moves me. Also note the Xpressway version on the Starpower 10 incher: it rather suddenly fades (echoes) out after that pause which is a killer effect if you expected the LP version. -- Johannes Waldmann, Fakult\"at f\"ur Mathematik und Informatik UHH, 15. OG, Jena, O-6900, Germany, phone (03641) 82 24778 email joe@inuo30.mathematik.uni-jena.de for this question's answer: "Venn ist das nurnstuck git und Slotermeyer?" From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 14:25:02 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25012 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:24:56 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28445 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:24:50 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486623(4)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 08:26:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9306181144.AA04212@ssnowwhite.msai.com> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: kevin@msai.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: unsubscribe Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 08:26:09 -0400 Status: RO unsubscribe me, please From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 15:02:17 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25147 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 15:02:07 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA02755 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 15:02:02 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486444(2)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:03:21 -0400 Message-Id: <9306181259.AA09795@helix.nih.gov> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: jjp@helix.nih.gov (Jim Pekar) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A taste of SY to come... Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 09:03:16 -0400 Status: RO > >> >> ok..does anyone know if sonic youth will be in the united states soon? >> any list of concerts or dates??? >> dave >> >Sonic Youth are playing the Academy in NYC on the 21st & 22nd, with the >Breeders and St. Johnny. > Current issue (21 June) of _the New Yorker_ lists this gig, says of sonic youth: "Sonic Youth may never catch a ride on the Nirvana express, but then success might spoil them. Brave guitar noise and passion galore will have to do for now." Also features a nice color drawing of the band by artist Karen Caldicott. _________ Jim Pekar jjp@helix.nih.gov Disclaimer: All opinions, etc., above are personal, etc., and do not represent those of the federal government, etc. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 16:04:18 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25285 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 16:04:04 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA10409 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 16:03:59 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486450(5)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 10:05:19 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZIPTXSTQQ9GWA52@Gems.VCU.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: MGANGLOFF@gems.vcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: action swingers Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 10:05:17 -0400 Status: RO dean asks about action swingers: i haven't really kept up with the swingers -- just have their "fear of a fucked up planet" 7-inch. they seem to have a lot of rotation in the lineup, with various pussy galores and friends dropping in and out -- (sort of like boss hog?) but i think x-youther, x-pussy bob bert is still the main percussion man. i hear they have a new record out. --mg From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 17:47:42 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25444 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:47:35 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:47:32 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486450(3)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:47:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199306181544.AA10817@sun.Panix.Com> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: John Neilson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Action Swingers Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:47:39 -0400 Status: RO > > Hi, I'm new at this so be easy on me please. > > I have heard of a group called "Action Swingers" that apparently contain some > ex-members of SY, has anyone heard of them, are they any good ? > > Thanks in advance > Dean T. Pribetic > I think Bob Bert (also ex-Pussy Galore) drums for them. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 17:53:16 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25463 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:53:12 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28715 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:53:08 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486444(3)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4L3a6B1w165w@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: aa@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi (Antti Autio) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Goo hate? Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:54:40 -0400 Status: RO elric@selway.umt.edu writes: > Goo sucks except Mildred. Eeeek. I still can't understand *why* is it so much hated? It was my first SY lp, and still IMHO one of the best (yes i have all the albums (except the Ciccone thing)). > where are the lyrics from digests past? i can't find them at cs.uwp.edu??? Tell me too. I was removed from the list by accident for a couple of months, so i missed 'em all.. -- Antti Autio aa@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi +358-81-515337 OH8KSU bored@IRC From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 17:55:24 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25477 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:55:19 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28749 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:55:17 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486615(4)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:55:50 -0400 Message-Id: <9gXB6B1w165w@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: aa@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi (Antti Autio) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:55:49 -0400 Status: RO Derek Hall writes: > Sorry- wrong subject heading- but what was that bit from "Secret Girls" off > Evol about "You're the boy/the can of joy..." I always thought that it was > "You're the boy/that can enjoy/invisibility..." I haven't seen anyone else > comment on this- what is the Net wisdom? The lyrics sheet that came w/ cd says it is "you're the boy/that can enjoy/ invisibility" and it sounds like that too. > As for pauses in music, to keep to SY examples, the break in between > "Intro" and "Brave Men Run" is pretty good too. And there's that cool little break in 'bad mood' too. -- Antti Autio aa@nforest.pulp.nullnet.fi +358-81-515337 OH8KSU bored@IRC From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 17:58:12 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25491 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:58:08 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28774 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 17:58:04 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486486(2)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:58:14 -0400 Message-Id: <9306181554.AA17588@freenet.carleton.ca> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: ab809@freenet.carleton.ca (Mike Winter) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the next link in the chain Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 11:58:12 -0400 Status: RO I like goo and dirty! -- 'Don't listen to this imposter; you are lost I Mike Winter if you forget that the Earth belongs to no I Saskatoon, Sk. one, and that its fruits are for all!'-Thoreau From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 18:22:11 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25522 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:22:07 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA03798 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:22:04 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486614(5)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 12:21:37 -0400 Message-Id: <9306181604.AA05356@aal.itd.umich.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: David Michael Sisson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the next link in the chain Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 12:21:27 -0400 Status: RO > I like goo and dirty! (this bit written by Mike Winter) SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,SONIC YOUTH, woo woo woo!!!! wooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dave From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 18:52:45 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25558 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:52:41 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA08596 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 18:52:38 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486475(4)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 12:53:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199306181649.AA28737@itkdsc.kub.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: franks@kub.nl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: woo woo woo!!! Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 12:53:01 -0400 Status: RO David Michael Sisson remarks: > > I like goo and dirty! (this bit written by Mike Winter) > > SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, > SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, > SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, > SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,SONIC YOUTH, > > woo woo woo!!!! wooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > dave Yeah, I totally agree. Really. No shit, I mean it: REALLY. Can't be shocked by it either. Not a bit. Maybe the wrong list, I dunno. Could be. Consider it. Really. - frank From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 19:02:30 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25567 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 19:02:27 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA09831 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 19:02:21 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486475(3)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 13:03:48 -0400 Message-Id: <9306181659.AA04729@iris.claremont.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: al@iris.claremont.edu (Lurlene Bayliss) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the next link in the chain Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 13:03:47 -0400 Status: RO I remember when Fred Francis would say things like: > >I've just recently hooked up with this list and >so will present my meager SY credentials in hopes >of getting some advice. > >I have only 4 releases by Sonic Youth, 2 of which >seem to be the most disdained here (_Goo_ and _Dirty_, >did I really have to specify?). Also I have _Evol_ >and _Daydream Nation_, and agree that they are works >of high art. But where do I go from here? Everyone has >their faves, and I will, from within the confines of >my lowly financial niche, eventually get to them all. >But what's the next acquisition? For my money, I'd go with _Sister_. In my infrequent but violent ranking fits, I usually rate it as my second favorite after _Daydream Nation_. But then again, I love _Goo_ and think "Wish Fulfillment" is a fine song, so... If you still care, I'd get _Bad Moon Rising_ next and then _Confusion Is Sex_. They're great albums, but I really think that Shelley is/was the missing link. -- Michael L. Medlin al@iris.claremont.edu "She's cherubic! She's seraphic! She's omniscient when it comes to traffic" --Nothing Painted Blue From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Fri Jun 18 20:29:41 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25616 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 20:29:37 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24538 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 18 Jun 1993 20:29:34 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486459(2)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:30:08 -0400 Message-Id: <9306181826.AA05576@stein.u.washington.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Comet Barfly To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Action Swingers Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 14:30:01 -0400 Status: RO Yeah, Bob Bert is the only ex-sonic ever in the Action Swingers. They were a better band when Julia Cafritz (ex-Pussy Galore, now in Kitten with Kim G.) was with them, but they're still good. They remind me a lot of the Supersuckers in that the songs all sound similar, they're really fast and loud, not in a punk rock way, but in a burly sort of way, if that makes sense. The best thing about the Action Swingers is that when you make a compilation tape and you have just a little bit of room left on the tape, there's usually room for one of their songs, since they're usually under 2 minutes. One of my fave Action Swingers songs is one where Julia C. sings/yells but they hardly ever had her do vocals. They also do a really funny song called Courtney Love. chris tine From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sat Jun 19 01:51:00 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26255 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 01:50:56 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA14795 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 01:50:54 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486475(4)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 19:52:18 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZJ43ELMQ68WZ6FK@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: JONATHAN KANDELL To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: EVOL for a new Sonik Youther (fwd) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 19:52:18 -0400 Status: RO Re: Sonic Youth and Piano I could swear I hear acoustic piano in some Sy songs. Anyone else? From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sat Jun 19 03:43:28 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26357 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 03:43:26 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24809 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 03:43:23 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486475(1)>; Fri, 18 Jun 1993 21:43:59 -0400 Message-Id: <9306190144.AA19100@bohr.physics.purdue.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Shonen Knife Date: Fri, 18 Jun 1993 21:43:57 -0400 Status: RO Hey-- I just picked up Shonen Knife's 712 lp. Not exactly what I had expected (the band is VERY loose, musically) but a high value product nonetheless. There is a nice pic of SY and SK in the inner sleeve, and SY is mentioned (along with Redd Kross and White Flag) in the "thank yous". selah, Dan From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sat Jun 19 07:14:57 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26481 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 07:14:54 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA10555 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 07:14:51 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486475(4)>; Sat, 19 Jun 1993 01:10:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199306190507.AA24417@borg.msc.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: rob@msc.cornell.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: St. Mary's Place Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 01:10:25 -0400 Status: RO >I picked up a German pressing of a SY CD called "Anarchy at St. Mary's Place." It's listed in the discography, which I swear to buddha I'm gonna work on this weekend and try to post, having sat on it for about two months. The correct name for that CD was supposed to be "Anarchy at St. Mark's Place" which refers to Greenwich Village in New York City. Rob V. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sat Jun 19 20:21:21 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26825 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 20:21:17 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18349 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sat, 19 Jun 1993 20:21:13 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486486(3)>; Sat, 19 Jun 1993 14:22:05 -0400 Message-Id: <9306191819.AA18796@netcom3.netcom.com> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: mlinksva@netcom.com (Michael R Linksvayer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pauses Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 14:22:01 -0400 Status: RO Thinking Fellers Local 282 To get back on topic, what about another sort of pause, like the pause between SY albums. Are we going to have to wait a whole 'nother year for the next one? -- Mike Linksvayer mlinksva@netcom.com +1 415 431 0775 From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sun Jun 20 03:36:32 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA27367 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 20 Jun 1993 03:36:29 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA13296 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 20 Jun 1993 03:36:27 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486471(4)>; Sat, 19 Jun 1993 21:36:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9306200133.AA28712@freenet.victoria.bc.ca> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: ub819@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Brooks R. Duncan) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lolla Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1993 21:36:32 -0400 Status: RO Arrrgghhhh what a drag... I just got back from the first Lollapalooza '93 date and the 2 bands that I really wanted to see (Kitten and Mosquito) didn't play! Ohwell... it was a good show over all... Tool was *incredible*. But hopefully the 2 SY spinoffs will play at some of your guys' dates (Rage against tghe machine didn't show up either) -- -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Brooks R. Duncan ub819@freenet.victoria.bc.ca Victoria, BC CANADA 1:340/43@fidonet -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 09:24:27 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28318 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 09:24:24 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA14948 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 09:24:21 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486477(1)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 03:25:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9306210707.AA10698@ruyslinck.si.hhs.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: v931070@ruyslinck.si.hhs.nl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Kill Yr. Brother James Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 03:25:33 -0400 Status: RO Hello, I'm fairly new to the list and totally crazy about SY. I won't list my top 10, though the earliers songs are (to me) better. Ref.: Brother Jam-z, Kill Yr. Idols. I have 1 question: does anyone have "BROTHER JAMES"-lyrics? or Kill Yr. Idols Stefan "It's the power of yr. imagination.", Neuromancer. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 12:14:49 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28597 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 12:14:39 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25146 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 12:14:34 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486477(4)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 06:14:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199306211011.AA11358@ellips.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Goo hate? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 06:14:39 -0400 Status: RO Oh well... >> where are the lyrics from digests past? i can't find them at cs.uwp.edu??? > >Tell me too. I was removed from the list by accident for a couple of months, >so i missed 'em all.. I thought I said this before, and I'll probably have to say it again.. You'll have to mail _me_ (dok@fwi.uva.nl) because I sort of keep em... Not very perfect, (It's mainly a 'Labour of love' and so on ) Rant rant.. Er.. were was I? Ah yes.. Anybody know how to get them lyircs on cs.uwp.edu ? I won't do it 'till I think i can't improve them, but it's still usefull to know.. Here's one of my fave albums, Confusion Is Sex ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Confusion is Sex" 1983 - LP/CS on Neutral (Neutral Nine) 1983 - LP/CS on Zensor (ND 02, Berlin) 1987 - LP/CS/CD reissued on SST (SST096, US) Songs: (She's In A) Bad Mood, Protect Me You, Freezer Burn/I Wanna Be Your Dog, Shaking Hell, Inhuman, The World Looks Red, Confusion Is Next, Making The Nature Scene, Lee Is Free ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (She's In A) Bad Mood ------ -- -- --- ---- She's in a bad mood but i won't fall for it i believe all her lie but i can't fall for it she's in a bad mood but i won't fall for it i believe all her lie but i can't fall for it Protect Me You ------- -- --- Protect me from ravagement i am ten years old i don't know what i do protect me myself i am fourteen there's nothing to do protect me yourself i am sixteen protect me from starving i am eighteen protect me you i don't know what you do protect me demons that come at night i don't know what they say their whispering sends the nightair away and makes me forget i hope they come again and again i'll take on again and again i hope they come again again again Freezer Burn / I Wanna Be Your Dog ------- ---- - - ----- -- ---- --- I wanna be on you [?] feel my heart on the burning sand now i wanna be your dog now i wanna be your dog now i wanna be your dog well come on loose my heart on the burning sand now i wanna be your dog now i wanna be your dog now i wanna be your dog now i wanna well come on Shaking Hell ------- ---- She's finally discovered she's a he told her so she's finally discovered she's a he told her so she's finally discovered she's a he told her so come closer and i'll tell you come closer and i'll tell you come closer and i'll take off your dress i'll take off your dress i'll shake off your flesh i'll shake off your flesh i'll shake off your flesh shake off your flesh shake off your flesh turn around turn around turn around shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake of your flesh shake of your flesh shake of your flesh shake of your flesh shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake shake Inhuman ------- Hi ahahahahahahahahahahaha my body is a past time my mind is a simple joy i learn my lesson the hardest way but you don't know me but you don't know me a complete inhuman complete inhuman complete inhuman complete inhuman my body is a past time my mind is a simple joy i learn my lesson the hardest way but you don't know me but you don't know me complete inhuman complete inhuman complete inhuman complete inhuman inhu-inhuman inhu-inhuman inhuman inhuman inhuman inhuman inhuman inhuman The World Looks Red --- ----- ----- --- Push it away the world looks red people with fisheyes the ground sucks walk on my fingertips displacing the fog the weight of my body is too much to bear the memory drained the life from the doll an ocean of insects moved like a sheet the immovable fact buried my mind in a horsehair coat in a pile on the floor push it away the world looks red people with fisheyes the ground sucks walk on my fingertips displacing the fog the weight of my body is too much to bear the memory drained the life from the doll the ocean of insects moved like a sheet the immovable fact buried my mind in a horsehair coat in a pile on the floor Confusion Is Next --------- -- ---- I maintain that chaos is the future and beyond it is freedom confusion is next and next after that is the truth you gotta cultivate what you need to need sonic tooth sonic tooth sonic tooth stick your fingers in your mouth squeeze your tongue and wrench it out from its ugly fucking cancer its ugly fucking cancer root you gotta cultivate what you need to need sonic tooth sonic tooth sonic tooth chaos is the future and beyond it is freedom confusion is next and next after that is the truth you gotta cultivate what you need to need sonic tooth sonic tooth sonic tooth sonic tooth stick your fingers in your mouth squeeze your tongue and wrench it out from its ugly fucking cancer its ugly fucking cancer root you gotta cultivate what you need to need sonic tooth sonic tooth sonic tooth sonic tooth tell nothing but the truth Making The Nature Scene ------ --- ------ ----- Going back to these origins the city is a natural scape order in details confusion uproar in the whole in nature reality is selection the tool of critical intervention fragmentation is the rule unity is not thaught in school you are in unnatural growth on a funny sunny street the city has forgotten you symbols of its past the meaning of its state its order of decay stand now in a column and make the nature scene standing all in columns making the nature scene making the nature scene waiting to make their pay there is no resistance to the science along the way standing all in columns waiting to make their pay making the nature scene waiting for the day there is no resistance to there is no resistance to salvation means to count on you it just means to count on you make that nature scene making the nature scene making the nature scene making the nature scene Lee Is Free --- -- ---- All typed ekcetera by me (I think) Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 12:24:40 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28611 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 12:24:36 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA27524 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 12:24:33 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486477(1)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 06:26:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199306211022.AA11369@ellips.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: the next link in the chain Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 06:26:00 -0400 Status: RO >SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH, SONIC YOUTH,SONIC YOUTH An adrenal mental man-tool box explodes in music creates utopia.. Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 12:42:58 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28657 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 12:42:55 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29265 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 12:42:51 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486450(5)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 06:44:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199306211040.AA11377@ellips.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kill Yr. Brother James Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 06:44:08 -0400 Status: RO Stefan sez: >I have 1 question: does anyone have "BROTHER JAMES"-lyrics? Um... you know I said I had the lyrics(sort of).. well I do.. almost all.. xcept for the 'Kill yr Idols' ep... 'cause i never even seen it.. :-( Is it amongst the rereleases planned for this summer? Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 15:59:46 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29003 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 15:59:43 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA16225 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 15:59:41 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486478(4)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 10:01:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199306211357.AA19178@borg.msc.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: rob@msc.cornell.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Raygun storyt about Sonic Youth Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 10:01:04 -0400 Status: RO >From Eric Rickin: >Raygun, which is a magazine I recently picked up, has a story in tihs >month's issue about Sonic Youth's tour last summer (not the 1991: The >Year the Punk Broke tour, but the Dirty tour). Raygun magazine is >basically an alternative "Spin"ish magazine, not as good as alternative >press. Also, the layout, which is considered "unique" annonys the HELL >out of me, espcially when I can't figure out what an article is saying >(they think it's cool to write two lines over eachother, and the like). > >-- >Eric Rickin (ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu) >University of Michigan Class of 1996 >"All persons, living and dead, are purely coincidental and should not be >construed." - Kurt Vonnegut _God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater_ From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 17:25:23 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29214 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:24:38 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA01926 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:24:32 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486473(3)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 11:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZMZJQUYG8000TYZ@TRENTU.CA> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Derek Hall To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sense of humour Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 11:24:50 -0400 Status: RO I'm wondering if anyone has anything to say/think about the use of humour in Sonic Youth albums. I find that whenever I come across a song of theirs that I consider somewhat silly or not up to par ("Hotwire my Heart," "YAF" (of course)) I just put it down to them making a joke. But at other times I figure that this is just my way of rationalizing away the idea that they could ever do a lame song. Obviously "4 Tunna Brix" and other such things show that they're not above being very silly... ..actually, it's been raining here for 5 days and i'm just bored. But i'd be interested to hear comments. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 22:49:14 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29520 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 22:49:09 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26907 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 22:49:07 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486681(2)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 16:39:15 -0400 Message-Id: <9306212008.AA14269@astrosun.TN.CORNELL.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: avera@ASTROSUN.TN.CORNELL.EDU (Eric Avera) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Action Pause Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 16:36:04 -0400 Status: RO On Jun 18, 2:30pm, Comet Barfly (hi, Doomie!) wrote: } Yeah, Bob Bert is the only ex-sonic ever in the Action Swingers. They } were a better band when Julia Cafritz (ex-Pussy Galore, now in Kitten } with Kim G.) was with them, but they're still good. They remind me a lot } of the Supersuckers in that the songs all sound similar, they're really } fast and loud, not in a punk rock way, but in a burly sort of way, } if that makes sense. Christine has described them better than I could have hoped to. This description is on the mark. I'd emphasize the samey-ness of the songs; however, it doesn't get to be tiresome, at least within the confines of a short CD. I just have the first one (*with* Julia, I think) and it's fun stuff. I think they have (at least) three CD's out on Primo Scree now, including the new one. Groovy hate fuck, man. As for pregnant pauses in music, one of my favorite (and this doesn't stray from the Sonic Youth fold TOO much, I hope) pregnant pauses occurs in the tune "Exterminator" (?) on the eponymous Unsane album (when Action Man was still around, sniff), you know, the 5th or 6th track in, with the guitar delay effect. Heavy as shit. Eric From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 23:28:17 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29668 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 23:28:15 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA03595 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 23:28:12 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486482(4)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:28:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9306212125.AA09042@stein.u.washington.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: The anti-depressed To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sonic Giggles Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:28:45 -0400 Status: RO Sure they've got a sense of humor! I mean, this is a band that participated in a split single with Mudhoney, they covered a Mudhoney song and Mudhoney covered one of theirs. The fact that they did a whole album under Madonna's last name (the Ciccone Youth thing) is hysterical, and much of that album is funny, some of it is beautiful, but most of it's really a riot! There is a sort of hip tongue in cool cheek theme in most of their music, I mean, how many of you really know someone named Goo? chris tine PS: WHEN is the next damn newsletter going to come out? And has anyone seen Mosquito or Kitten at Lalapalooza on the side stage yet? I didn't go, but if anyone has seen them, review the shows! From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Mon Jun 21 23:52:55 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29845 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 23:52:47 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA08573 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 21 Jun 1993 23:52:39 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486482(5)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:54:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9306212149.AA14354@selway.umt.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: elric@selway.umt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: fresh cheese and cheese Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 17:54:11 -0400 Status: RO Shonen Knife's Lp Let's Knife is one of the coolest things i've heard since the Meat Puppets! Tortoise Brand Pot Cleaner's Theme is hilarious. Baka Guy is SY meAts Sabbath! the more i get into the sonics, the more i dislike Thurston and Goo...oops i mean Kim. Thurston used to be my fave, now i see the Lee, i mean light. who says Bob Bert is an *ex* pussy? when i says "Beauty Lies in the Eye" is the only SY album song with an acoustic, i meant an acoustic GUITAR (dorks!) the only tune i've heard with a piano is the Evol tune, but then again maybe i'm not listening hard enough. hey, did you know Dirty (said with a sneer) has a SYNTHESISER on it?! oh how brave of TM. what a cool fucking baka guy. I can't rant enough about my lords releasing two shit albums IN A ROW! i tried that other version of the intro to candle and i still think mine is correct. the only parts on mine that are screwed up are the "on the carpet" part and the second guitar's tuning (and thus the second guitar's tab). sometimes when i pee................. I am a deaths-head in your frock, -Sam Your sister is a beauty when she's naked, like my kid. We are the dead. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Tue Jun 22 00:30:35 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA00672 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 00:30:03 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA13466 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 00:30:00 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486482(1)>; Mon, 21 Jun 1993 18:31:10 -0400 Message-Id: <9306212148.AA15549@bbt> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: rlr@bbt.com (Powdered Toast Man) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: NEW LIST: GRIND Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1993 18:31:02 -0400 Status: RO Blah blah blah, passin' on the info... Ron "Helpful" Rader ----- Begin Included Message ----- Hello. I just want to announce the creation of a new list. The list is called GRIND, and it is for discussion of all types of grindcore/death metal/heavy thrash/brutal industrial music. This list will be in digest format, so traffic from this list will be minimized. I will put the digest out about once a day, depending on how many posts the list gets. If you are interested in joining, please send a request to: grind-request@unh.edu Please include your full e-mail address in the body of the letter, and let me know that you want to join. On the subject line, just put something to the effect of "subscribe me" or "grind-request" or something to that effect. Thank you very much. Matt (mpj@kepler.unh.edu) ----- End Included Message ----- From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Tue Jun 22 15:18:15 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA01683 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 15:18:11 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA09342 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 15:18:08 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486484(5)>; Tue, 22 Jun 1993 09:19:05 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZO9GADJHE9GWNE4@Gems.VCU.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: MGANGLOFF@gems.vcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Action Pause Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 09:19:02 -0400 Status: RO re: action swingers i think i posted some misinformation a few days ago -- i knew bob bert played on some action swingers stuff, but on the "fear of a fucked up planet" 7-inch, the band is just julia, don hayden and *don fleming* (ball, velvet monkeys, rake, gumball, etc. etc. etc.) on drums. confusion is next, --mg From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Tue Jun 22 15:46:11 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA01809 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 15:46:06 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA13605 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 15:46:04 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486613(2)>; Tue, 22 Jun 1993 09:46:25 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZO9O7OQ7S9GWNE4@Gems.VCU.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: MGANGLOFF@gems.vcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fresh cheese and cheese Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 09:46:25 -0400 Status: RO sam writes: >when i says "Beauty Lies in the Eye" is the only SY album song with an acoustic, >i meant an acoustic GUITAR (dorks!) dorks?! but dig this big crux: i don't have my sy albums in front of me, so i don't have titles (so maybe i shouldn't post??) -- but i think the foghorn sounds on one of the bad moon rising tracks are an acoustic guitar w/a pickup -- at least that's what lee uses in a concert video i've seen (i'm told it's from the death valley show). point the acoustic at an amp and it howls -- whole different caliber of feedback, dontcha know... and >the only tune i've heard with a piano is the Evol tune, let's not forget mike watt's answering machine message on daydream nation -- some nice piano underneath that "thurston!" >but then again maybe i'm not listening hard enough well, probably the best sy piano moment IMHO is the jerry lee lewis-style, kick over the bench, great balls aspire intro to "yaf." but i think that was probably played by ian mackaye... but then again maybe i'm listening too hard. --mg From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Tue Jun 22 17:08:43 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA02026 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 17:08:34 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25783 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Jun 1993 17:08:29 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486638(4)>; Tue, 22 Jun 1993 11:09:45 -0400 Message-Id: <9306221506.AA12260@helix.nih.gov> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: jjp@helix.nih.gov (Jim Pekar) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fresh cheese and cheese Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 11:09:44 -0400 Status: RO >dorks?! but dig this big crux: "Organizing the boy scouts for murder is wrong!" _________ Jim Pekar jjp@helix.nih.gov Disclaimer: All opinions, etc., above are personal, etc., and do not represent those of the federal government, etc. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 23 01:54:48 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA02897 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 01:54:44 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA28704 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 01:54:42 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486466(1)>; Tue, 22 Jun 1993 19:56:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9306222351.AA21950@freenet.carleton.ca> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: ab809@FREENET.CARLETON.CA (Mike Winter) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fresh cheese and cheese Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1993 19:55:57 -0400 Status: RO alternate spelling: conik yyuth heehee -- 'Don't listen to this imposter; you are lost I Mike Winter if you forget that the Earth belongs to no I Saskatoon, Sk. one, and that its fruits are for all!'-Thoreau From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 23 14:39:42 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA03832 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 14:39:38 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA02494 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 14:39:35 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486459(3)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 08:40:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199306231237.AA10039@snoopy.msc.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: rob@msc.cornell.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fresh cheese and cheese Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 08:40:38 -0400 Status: RO MG: >>the only tune i've heard with a piano is the Evol tune, >let's not forget mike watt's answering machine message on daydream >nation -- some nice piano underneath that "thurston!" Played by Thurston, no less, who is fairly proficient on the ivories I've heard. >well, probably the best sy piano moment IMHO is the jerry lee lewis-style, >kick over the bench, great balls aspire intro to "yaf." but i think that >was probably played by ian mackaye... Ian's contribution was only guitar. Rob V. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 23 21:41:38 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA04385 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 21:41:35 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA21694 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 21:41:31 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486482(4)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 15:42:34 -0400 Message-Id: <9306231938.AA27074@astrosun.TN.CORNELL.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: avera@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu (Eric Avera) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: My Youth in England Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 15:42:32 -0400 Status: RO Urp, too much Captain Harlock for me, apparently. :) Just wanted to let the Euro types (and those yanks lucky enough to be across the drink in July, and whoever else might be in Angle-land then) that a full-pager in Deadline (a very cool comic 'zine, with occasionally cool music stuff, too) proclaims that Sonic Youth will be playing the first day (July 16th) of a 3-day outdoor extravaganza near Stratford-on-Avon (does Upper Marston sound right?). 3 stages. They are headlining on the 16th; also on the slate for that day are Fatima Mansions, Jacob's Mouse, and (I think) Living Color. A mixed bag of music, and probably short sets, but there you have it. Can't remember who's playing on the 17th (a lot of forgettables, I'm sure, like Radiohead :^P ); on the 18th, it's Mercury Rev, Helmet, etc., and Dino Jr. Not bad. Well, I won't be there, but I though this might be of interest anyway. BTW, it's called "The Phoenix" or some such. Guess the LollygaggingPalookaLoser thing is catching. Eric From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 23 22:40:07 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA04431 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:39:59 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA00890 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:39:56 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486494(5)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 16:40:49 -0400 Message-Id: Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Richard J Puerzer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sonic death #4 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 16:40:48 -0400 Status: RO Got my sonic death #4 today, didn't read too intently but did notice tour dates, European only, which were quite up to date. There was also a notice about this fine mail group, wonder if the membership will grow significantly. Also seemed to be more good, read vinyl and cd, stuff for sale including the sassy single. Cool. I never got anything about the contest but i guess it was because i didn't have to renew my membership. whatever. read up! rich From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 02:28:46 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA05515 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 02:28:42 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA06139 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 02:28:38 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486658(1)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:29:51 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZQ4SGILEC8WW1VF@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: JONATHAN KANDELL To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fresh cheese and cheese Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:29:45 -0400 Status: RO There's another guitar, a few notes on another SY song. I forget the name and album but it has lyrics that go something like "Turn the lights out"... "amazing grace" ....really and really" I'll try to look it up if that's not enough clue. I have the tune in my head, just not the name or lyrics. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 02:35:14 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA05533 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 02:35:11 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA07641 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 02:35:08 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486621(1)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:36:50 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZQ4ZRVRQI8WW1VF@CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: JONATHAN KANDELL To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Action Swingers Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 20:36:47 -0400 Status: RO This may sound like a strange comparisoin... but does anyone see any similarities between SY and the Soft Machine (the avant garde fusion band from the 60s)? I've been really digging Soft Machine 1 and 2. They seem really ahead of their time in the way they sometimes stretch the sounds of instruments, the way SY does. of course, they don'[t retune. Their melodies are simple (like SY) and just vehicles for ten and twenty minute "improvisations" , like SY. They have an excellent musical knowledge but stll have rock energy (like SY). Their songs are long and noncommercial, like sY. Any comments on the Soft Machine, or the comparison? From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 04:32:10 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA05622 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 04:32:07 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18889 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 04:32:03 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486627(1)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:33:40 -0400 Message-Id: <9306240229.AA19497@bunsenhoneydew.engin.umich.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sonic death #4 Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 22:33:27 -0400 Status: RO so sonic death #4 is out, huh? guess i can stop waiting around for #3. has anyone else had problems getting their fanzines? I wrote to them a couple of weeks ago asking why i hadn't seen anything since i got ish 2 and the cd last august, but i haven't heard back yet? anyone know what gives? okay, so i sound a little whiney. sentence 4 is a statement, not a question, my typo. scott From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 05:32:01 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA05664 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 05:31:56 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA24095 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 05:31:52 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486627(5)>; Wed, 23 Jun 1993 23:32:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9306240327.AA07612@c6111> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: weld_h@maths.su.oz.au (Henry Weld) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cosloy Youth Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1993 23:32:51 -0400 Status: RO This here is a fanzine interview from the early grunge list archives. I didn't record the original poster etc. It's been sitting on my disc here for a few months but I'm running out of disc space so before I delete it I thought you'd all get something from it. It's fun, and funny. Thought you might find this interesting. The following interview was published on a fanzine called _Cosloy Youth_, compiled a few years ago by KTRU's music director and general manager and xeroxed on the Student Association copier. (c) _Cosloy Youth_, for whatever all that might matter, y'all. ----- cut here ----- Sonic Youth was gang-interviewed after their "Ramones Set" at Fitzgerald's September 20. Present were: Kim Gordon, Thurston Moore, and Lee Renaldo of Sonic Youth, Ray & Robert (Cosloy Youth), Austin Caustic (Sicko), Julie Wroble (KTRU), and various members of Grindin' Teeth and Nice Strong Arm. SICKO: Tell me about what's different what you're doing now compared to what you were doing a couple of years ago, or even last year. KIM: Um . . . that's impossible to answer. S: That's impossible to answer? KIM: That's like saying "What was going on two years ago?" S: But like tonight, there were no drumsticks under the guitar strings or anything like that. KIM: That's just because we don't want to make every song a drumstick song. It gets boring. S: You got bored with that? KIM: Yeah. S: Do a lot of people that go to see shows get irritated with that? KIM: They say "Hey, where're the drumsticks?", y'know, it's a circus. COSLOY YOUTH: Have you noticed any bands picking up and doing the kind of things you're doing. There'e Live Skull, Rat At Rat R, bands that people have compared to you a lot, but. . . KIM: No, that's just because they're from New York also, and they don't play pop music, but...Live Skull has a sound that's more influenced by British, the British sound, like Siouxsie and the Banshees; they always use, like, heavy effects on the guitars, and they're not anything like us. And Rat At Rat R no longer exists anyway, so. . . CY: Do you see yourself influencing bands that are just starting? KIM: Yeah, a lot of people say that, or ask that, and maybe we do in the sense of attitude or something, that because we've gone a long way doing what we do that it kind of shows people that they can make any kind of music and in a sense, if they persist at it, if their serious at it, people will take them seriously. CY: The reason I was asking is 'cause I saw a local band here a couple of months ago and at the beginning of their set they were doing this long extended noisy thing, and all the guitar players were knocking on the backs of the necks of their guitar's. . . THURSTON: Really? KIM: I mean, you'll see bands who do take elements like that, like superficial elements like that. . . THURSTON: Hendrix used to do that. KIM: ...yeah, a lot of people have done it. But lots of times those are the people who sound the least like us. It's really more of an attitude thing, I think. S: So you're not worried about there being a lot of Sonic Youth copy bands. KIM: No. S: So tell us about the Ramones set tonight. What inspired that? THURSTON: We had just been at sound check and it sort of,I don't know, we just started playing Ramones songs. KIM: Like, "what's the stupidest thing we could do?" THURSTON: No, it's not stupid, it's just. . . KIM: It's like what you were saying before, like coverbands never play Ramones songs. THURSTON: Yeah, it's like Beatlemania, or like Crystal Ship, the Doors band. KIM: Led Zep night. S: So have you been doing that a while, lots of Ramones copies? KIM: Every couple of days we learn a new one. THURSTON: We figure by the time we get back home to New York, we'll just come out and do like a whole album, the whole first album. KTRU: They're not real difficult to pick up, I'm sure. KIM: No,they're not, but it's confusing to remember one from the other because they're so similiar. CY: This Madonna thing. I read someplace, don't ask me where, but some people were arguing that you don't really like Madonna,and it's all a big joke on your part, on your fans, like a big prank. KIM: No, we like her. THURSTON: No, we like her alot. We just like that one song. KIM: I think she's becoming a bit driven, though. . . . .(interruption while people come in and socialize). . . THURSTON: ...no, it's like, she the kind of person who insinuates being real populous, and at the same time a like Lower East Side loft kind of mentality or something. It's too obvious, now. I mean, we never wanted to try to exploit that we like Mandonna, it just sorta happened. We did that song . . . CY: Did you ever get in trouble for that? Legal trouble at all? THURSTON: Supposedly she heard it, and said it's OK, she just won't tell her management. And she's like, she used to live in New York, she went out with a friend of ours for a while, and I won't tell you who, because you know who it is. And she was in this band called "Spinal...", this weird Gang-of-Four-ish new wave band, with these kids who were in Deep Six, Circus Mort, who turned into the Swans. I mean, there's a weird connection there; so she is actually part of the Swans thing. S: Madonna is part of the whole Swans trip? This has the makings of a real underground Weekly World News story. . . THURSTON: Weekly Weird News. S: A real news flash: Madonna went out with Michael Gira, we have pictures. THURSTON: Why Michael Gira? S: Well, I don't know, you said she was hanging out with the Swans, I mean... THURSTON: Well, you can't say Michael Gira, 'cause he'd be offended. Michael Gira would be very offended. KIM: Yeah, he's a very private person. THURSTON: Well, when she used to play around, we used to always hate her, 'cause she's such a jerk. She used to like... well, there's this guy she used to go out with we know, she used to sit on his lap, the whole time like looking around. . . KIM: She was so much the babe on the make, always looking around,I mean, she's be making out with this guy one second and then looking around. . . THURSTON: And when she first got signed to Sire we were just kinda like "Oh no", and when her first single came out we used to laugh at her. And we never saw her play because we'd always be at a club and she'd like, she'd be playing, and we'd go "let's go before Madonna comes". And then all of a sudden she started writing really great songs. S: So what's the real name of that song with the chorus of "We're gonna kill the California girls"? THURSTON: What about it? S: What's the real name of that song? I mean, I've seen about four different names in different places. THURSTON: I know. I don't know. It's all those names. S: It just can't be named? KTRU: Like tonight, "Skating on the Bowery". THURSTON: It's got more names than any other song, let's put it that way. S: What was it called tonight? THURSTON: It was called, like "Fuck", or something. CY: There's a song on Evol, "In the Kingdom", that Mike Watt played bass on. Wasn't that kind of weird? I mean, that's a pretty violent description of a car wreck, and right after D. Boon dying. . . THURSTON: Yes. Yeah, in a way. I mean, Lee . . . those were some words Lee wrote years ago, and then when Mike was in New York and we were recording, he wanted to play bass. That song was constructed in the studio, we'd never played it live or anything. And Mike was there, and he just sort of came up with the bass, and it was just, it what just, like that. I mean, Lee explained to Mike that it was really, uh, what it was about. . . KIM: That it wasn't really in bad taste, it just seems like it. THURSTON: Yeah. Mike's pretty cool. But, I know, it sort of amplifies . . . implies weirdness. It's just coincidence. (. . .Nice Strong Arm comes in to scam some root beer, Thurston bitches about the door price in Austin. . .) CY: When Iggy played with you, that time, I heard that he just got up on stage with you. Was that planned, did you know that was going to happen? THURSTON: Yeah, it was a total scam (big laffs all around). We paid him. No, we were rehearsing that day 'cause we hadn't played for a long time, and we were rehearsing in a rehearsal studio, some big rehearsal studio. And when we were rehearsing we did "I Wanna Be Your Dog", and we were walking down the hall and there was another studio and we heard another band doing it. So we sorta like open the door and it was fuckin' Iggy Pop, and we're like "wow". And we didn't think they were playing it really well at all, So we're like "wow, it's Iggy". He heard us rehearsing it, and then he came up to us, you know. He was real nice. He's like a real dude from the Midwest, he's a real ratty guy. He's really a totally hyper kind of person, constantly like, I don't know, a weird metabolism. But it was a lot of fun, and we didn't think he was going to come to the gig, but he came. He just sorta hung out backstage, and we did "I Wanna Be Your Dog", and we asked him to sing and he goes "yeah!" and he came out. And then people started freaking out,I don't know if they realized it at first. He did his whole trip, I mean, it was so weird, it was sorta like watching TV or something. It was so weird. S: On the past few albums, ya'll have gotten more and more structured. Is that a correct interpretation? THURSTON: Structured? S: Yeah, you're doing more and more songs, well, not songs, but they're shorter, and there's less long discordant jams than, say, the first couple of albums, or even on Bad Moon Rising. KIM: There aren't any jams on this one. S: Oh,there's discordant noise bits and stuff, but there aren't the long jams. Was that a conscious decision? THURSTON: No. KIM: I think it 's more of a reaction than a decision. S: Reaction to what? KIM: What we did before. Like, we're tired of doing long songs, let's do short songs. Like on Bad Moon we did the segues. That was the only record where we consciously. . . where we want it with just segues, 'cause when we were doing the Confusion material live we just started doing that, because it made it easier for transitions and stuff. And then after Bad Moon we go "well, we don't want to do the segues anymore." It was boring. THURSTON: No,we don't sit down and discuss what we're gonna do, we just do it. It's not like a conscious decision. KIM: It's really like every record has it's own mood. I think it's more reactions from, like, what happens when you play the last set of material, that kind of leads you toward doing the next material. KTRU: What kind of themes are on the Sister record, would you say? THURSTON: Themes? KTRU: Well, moods, what you were talking about, an album having moods. K: Um . . . kind of . . . Cyberpunkish. (big laffs). S: Well, explain cyberpunk to those of us who aren't familiar with that genre. THURSTON: Bruce Sterling's from Austin. K: Yeah, he's one of the king cyberpunks. Although they probably don't like that term. S: King cyberpunk? THURSTON: Yeah, he's this writer from Austin. He instigated alot of this 80's sci-fi kind of stuff. KIM: But he put out a compilation, he edited this compilation, and it got reveiewed, and somebody coined the term "cyberpunk". S: What compilation was that? CY: Was that Mirrorshades? THURSTON: Mirrorshades. Right. CY: That's a cool book. S: So Sister is cyberpunk. KIM: Yeah. This is a scoop, OK? S: So just for the benefit of us pigeonholers, can you describe the rest of your records in neat terms that? THURSTON: Like science fiction philosophies? KIM: It's all cyberpunk. S: It's all cyberpunk. Finally. You heard it first here. KIM: Yeah, if you want to label us, just call us cyberpunks. THURSTON: Cybercore. S: Now that we've got a genre going, let's hear some other bands in the cyberpunk genre. THURSTON: Aw, man, there's like a load of 'em. There's um . . . KIM: Nice Strong Arm. THURSTON: . . . Nice Strong Arm, the Ramones . . . NICE STRONG ARM: Wow, do you have glitter on your shoes? S: Yeah. NSA: Cool. THURSTON: Pretty cyber, huh? KIM: That earring's total cyber. S: So is that gonna be a genre, eventually, like hardore, or something? Cyberpunk bands? THURSTON: Oh, it is. KIM: Yeah, when Spin comes back we'll have new cyberpunk bands. CY: The Tenth Anniversary of Cyberpunk. S: And there'll be thousands of people with cyberpunk hairdos running around, being cyberpunks, huh? THURSTON: Like, Phillip K. Dick was sort of a pregenitor of that, like, all these young writers who came out from under him. It's less hard science, and it's more sort of psychological. S: Cybernetics. THURSTON: Yeah, but using, like, software and cybernetics. Like putting modules into the back of your neck, and plugging into the matrix. NSA: Like Count Zero? THURSTON: Yeah, like, stereophiles, who spend all their money on audiophile equipment. Sort of this sense of pleasing your schizophrenic desire, stereo. S: So, eventually it'll be like "cyberpunk is dead", right? THURSTON: Well, I don't know . . . S: OK, next question. This is the first time I've seen people slamming at a Sonic Youth gig. It seems to me that that could be real dangerous. I mean, some of your music really feels like it's inciteful towards violence. THURSTON: Yeah. We're very violent people. KIM: But, people do pretty organized things, like they do at hardcore gigs, like the pit, the forearms, and all. I mean, the most psychotic audiences I've ever seen I think have been at Butthole gigs. THURSTON: We're pro pit bull. (laffs) KIM: Like, people don't form a pit at Butthole shows. They're more like . . . total anarchy. S: Well, that's interesting, 'cause the Butthole gigs I've been at, the slamming's looked wild, but, it's ... I don't do that any more since I cracked my head open . . . But the stuff I've seen at Buttholes gigs has looked wild, but hasn't been that rough. It's not like DRI where people are trying to kill each other. THURSTON: Do you stage dive? NSA: Always, like in my bedroom,I start bouncing till I can get my head to the ceiling, then I dive off. S: Well, does that happen a lot at Sonic Youth gigs anymore, people slam dancing, and thrashing? THURSTON: Yeah, sometimes. It always kinda freaks you out, sometimes at the start of the song, people start slamming, and you know it's not how the song goes, and they're gonna get bummed out. You, like, change into non-slam. I always feel sorry for those people who start slamming. 'Cause you know their gonna stop, because it's not . . . KIM: Yeah, usually we do the Ramones songs at the encore, but we felt bad for 'em. CY: You didn't feel bad for us. THURSTON: You were up at the front going "no, please don't play thrash, no". S: What about the song "Kill Your Idols"? I've heard a lot of versions on different records, and I've seen you play it twice, but you didn't play it tonight. LEE: I think you've heard the same version on different records. THURSTON: There's only one version of that, what are you talking about? KIM: Well, you've heard live versions. LEE: Yeah, there's two versions. S: I've heard there's another version on the Communicate comp. LEE: Oh, fuck. THURSTON: That's just live crap. S: You're bored with that song? THURSTON: Sure. S: What do you do with songs you get bored with, do you put 'em on the shelf? THURSTON: Yeah. LEE: We just use the guitars for another tuning. THURSTON: We just sort of cancel 'em out. S: Do you think comparisons between yourself and the Grateful Dead are fair,at all? (. . . much disagreement . . . ) LEE: Being the only one who knows anything about both bands, I think it's fairly apt. S: I would have to agree with that. LEE: I'm not saying that's good. THURSTON: I don't get it, myself. I've heard that. S: So you all dislike the Grateful Dead. LEE: No, not at all. I like them again, recently. I hadn't liked them for a long time. KIM: I like some of it, but a lot of it I don't like. I don't like the long, jazzy jams. THURSTON: I like their really bad records, like Shakedown Street. LEE: He's really into the shitty Dead. CY: I read an interview once where you said that rock&roll was your religion. Were you kidding? THURSTON: Oh ,God . . . CY: It was in Option, so . . . LEE: Yeah, so that's a lie, you can tell. THURSTON: Yeah, but . . . that's . . . LEE: (to Thurston) Did you guys really say that? KIM: He stole it from Patti Smith. THURSTON: That's a pretty gay thing to say, I guess. I can't believe I said that. CY: Never mind. Next question. KTRU: I read something today about when you were in England, people avoided talking to you because they generally stereotype women in rock and you didn't fit the stereotypes. KIM: I don't think that's what I said. I think, like, there were a couple of times when they would describe the band, (this was early on when we were there) and they would describe everyone in the band except for the me, and I just generally got the feeling that they don't know how to deal well with women unless there's a really specific stereotype, like a conventional stereotype. S: There are certainly some English bands, though, that are active feminist-type bands, like Poison Girls, Lost Cherrie . . . KIM: I don't know them. S: You don't know Poison Girls? THURSTON: Yeah, they're like, Crass kind of . . . LEE: The Poison Girls, are they the ones with, like, the hillbillies? ( . . . lots of talk about women, Beverly Hillbillies. . .) KTRU: So do you think women need to take a more active role in projecting some kind of image? KIM: In England? KTRU: Just anywhere. In rock, in general. KIM: Well, I don't know, I think it's difficult to project an image that's different, that's also honest. It's hard to project something that's more personal, you know, that's . . . I don't know, it's hard to explain. It's hard to project something that's different because something that's not stereotypic involves something more personal, and therefore you're putting more of yourself out, in a way. You're not protected. I mean, there's a good reason why people have their style so stylized, it's to protect themselves. S: But that goes on in all aspects of music and entertainment, not just mainstream. Certainly in a lot of underground music. KIM: Sure. S: It seems to me that you have always tried to stay away from that sort of thing. THURSTON: That's the good thing about cybercore, is that males and females are totally equal. It's totally happenin'. LEE: It's a unicore thing. S: Just dealing with it on a whole-hearted and cybercore basis? THURSTON: We deal with a definite cybercore basis. LEE: We jack into the matrix. KIM: It's just a temporary illusion anyway. S: You stay centered all the time. KIM: In a temporary sort of way. S: What did Sonic Youth do for the harmonic convergence? THURSTON: We slept in. KIM: We took a plane ride. LEE: We blew up a van. That would be great if people were blowing up cars all over America in honor of the harmonic convergence. That's what we did. KTRU: I'd like to hear about "Tuff Gnarl" too. Who came up with the words for that? CY: It's a skate song. THURSTON: A skate song. That's all pretty much what it is. KIM: Most of our songs are skate songs. Skate is a big part in cyberpunk. THURSTON: Actually, they're lines from record reviews. KTRU: Really? Your records? THURSTON: No, I used to put out a magazine, and there was these record reviews for this fanzine that I did years ago. 2 or 3 years ago. And we needed lyrics, so I just sorta took lines sporadically from each review. That's what all those lines mean. KTRU: "Fatal erection home in bed"? THURSTON: Fatal Erection is the label that Poison Idea recorded for. They're like a Seattle hardcore band, and they put their records out on Fatal Erection. CY: What do you think of Swanic Youth? THURSTON: It's kind of silly. I don't know. LEE: I wish I could hear it. I haven't heard it. THURSTON: Really?! The only thing I don't like about it is that some people say they hear it on the radio and the DJ says it's us and the Swans together. They actually believe it's like a compilation. S: One last question: what's New York like anymore? LEE: It sucks. S: Is the scene fucked up? KIM: No, it's growing, it's thriving. Lots of bands. THURSTON: People just, like, kill each other in the streets. It's really weird. S: But the scene's OK? THURSTON: It's strong. (sarcastically) The scene is very "strong". ----- cut here ----- | | \ * | * / \ | / SONIC * \ | / * LIFE -------------------- * /|\ * / | \ / * | * \ | | | | | | That's it. The mental image of 1981-era M.Gira and Madonna locking loins is pretty twisted, I mean, what would they talk about afterwards? From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 15:37:05 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA06615 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 15:36:59 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA17803 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 15:36:54 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486648(2)>; Thu, 24 Jun 1993 09:36:06 -0400 Message-Id: <199306241332.AA16625@quincy.fwi.uva.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Covers? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 09:36:04 -0400 Status: RO I've got this CDSingle of Sugar Kane with on it 'Is it my body' and 'Personality Crisis'. Are they covers? If so, who did 'em originally? Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 17:48:49 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA06961 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:48:42 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA09006 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 17:48:38 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486633(5)>; Thu, 24 Jun 1993 11:48:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199306241544.AA105168@holmes.acc.Virginia.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: "William F. Pemberton" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Covers? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 11:48:31 -0400 Status: RO > I've got this CDSingle of Sugar Kane with on it 'Is it my body' and 'Personality > Crisis'. Are they covers? If so, who did 'em originally? > I haven't heard them so I'm not sure it's the same song, but the only Personality Crisis I can think of is a New York Dolls song. -- Bill Pemberton wfp5p@virginia.edu Academic Computing Center flash@virginia.edu University of Virginia uunet!virginia!wfp5p From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 18:16:11 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA07007 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 18:16:07 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA13421 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 18:16:04 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486487(1)>; Thu, 24 Jun 1993 12:17:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9306241600.AA11211@aal.itd.umich.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: David Michael Sisson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: bootleg request Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 12:17:21 -0400 Status: RO hey ... does anyone out there have bootleg tapes that would be willing to tape them for me?? i can send tapes and postage.. thanx dave From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 18:29:14 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA07063 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 18:29:10 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA15576 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 18:29:08 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486621(2)>; Thu, 24 Jun 1993 12:30:29 -0400 Message-Id: <199306241831.AA25267@school> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: simon_r@boson.epita.fr (ronan simon) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:bootleg request Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 12:30:25 -0400 Status: RO > hey ... does anyone out there have bootleg tapes that would > be willing to tape them for me?? i can send tapes and postage.. Sorry, I've got nothing for you, BUT I'm looking for such stuff ... Could you send a list of what you can tape ? thanks Ronan From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jun 24 20:25:23 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA07162 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 20:25:15 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA10042 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 24 Jun 1993 20:25:08 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486608(3)>; Thu, 24 Jun 1993 14:26:38 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZRCPHKQMS9GWZRT@Gems.VCU.EDU> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: MGANGLOFF@gems.vcu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Covers? Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1993 14:26:32 -0400 Status: RO bill asks about "personality crisis" and "is it my body?" i haven't heard the "sugar kane" single, but i'd guess "is it my body?" is the alice cooper cover sonic youth contributed to the subpop singles club a while (about 2 years, i think) ago. kim sings on the subpop "body?" -- does she on the "sugar kane" "body?" ? --mg From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sun Jun 27 11:29:33 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA11508 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 27 Jun 1993 11:29:29 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA11043 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 27 Jun 1993 11:29:26 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486587(5)>; Sun, 27 Jun 1993 05:30:54 -0400 Message-Id: <9306270927.AA03483@c6123.maths.su.oz.au> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: weld_h@maths.su.oz.au (Henry Weld) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Subdued Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1993 05:30:51 -0400 Status: RO > So then. They opened with "Cotton Crown." A fairly >subdued version, I would say. By subdued I mean not played >with abandon. Relaxed. But very well played and highly >enjoyable. I'd say this number set the tone for the rest of >the night. Just last night a friend was telling me about a conversation he had with Kim when she was here in January. He asked her how it was touring with Royal Trux and Boredoms (those being two of his favourite existing bands). Her answer was along the lines of: the groups they tour with do influence SY; when they toured with Mudhoney a few years back they became much more rocky(rocklike?) and thrashy as a result and she feels that after playing with RTrux and Boredoms they are more subtle (again) and maybe subdued (in a good way). Henry PS For reasons too complex to go into here my cat is now a member of Sonic Death. So if someone called Hoover from Sydney wins the guitar y'all can have a quiet chuckle. From STU_NELWAN@hrovx1.hro.nl Tue Jun 29 14:27:35 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA14817 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 29 Jun 1993 14:27:31 +0200 Received: from kubpra (kubpra.kub.nl) by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA29329 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 29 Jun 1993 14:27:29 +0200 Received: from hearnvax.nic.surfnet.nl by KUB.NL (PMDF #12540) id <01GZYCHBLVDS95NK0T@KUB.NL>; Tue, 29 Jun 1993 14:27 +0100 Received: from HROVX4.HRO.NL (HROVX4) by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-12 #3330) id <01GZYCGOCCWW00009V@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Tue, 29 Jun 1993 14:26:48 MET Received: from HROVX1.HRO.NL (HROVX1) by HROVX4.HRO.NL (PMDF #12361) id <01GZYCF2W11C000560@HROVX4.HRO.NL>; Tue, 29 Jun 1993 14:25 MET Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 13:48 +0100 (MET) From: "STEFAN NELWAN." Subject: Re: There comin' To: pberck@kub.nl Message-Id: <0C80C8BBC0202545@HROVX1.HRO.NL> X-Organization: Hogeschool Rotterdam & Omstreken, the Netherlands X-Envelope-To: pberck@kubsu2 X-Vms-To: IN%"pberck@KUB.NL" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Comments: This message was sent with PMDF 3.2 Status: RO Hallo Peter en FrankS Ik hoop dat je dit berichtje nog krijgt voordat jullie weggaan! We zijn om +/- 20.00 vanavond op Utrecht CS. Misschien zien we jullie nog wel? Ik heb trouwens nog geprobeerd op te bellen, maar in Tilburg was er niemand thuis?!? Nou, doei! \ ZZ From: IN%"pberck@KUB.NL" 6-JUN-1993 16:27:00.75 To: STU_NELWAN@hrovx1.hro.nl, pberck@KUB.NL CC: Subj: RE: There comin' Return-path: Received: from HROVX4.HRO.NL by HROVX1.HRO.NL with PMDF#10221; Sun, 6 Jun 1993 16:22 MET Received: from HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (HEARNV) by HROVX4.HRO.NL (PMDF #12361) id <01GZ2BS2Y5XS000EK6@HROVX4.HRO.NL>; Sun, 6 Jun 1993 16:22 MET Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl (PMDF V4.2-11 #3330) id <01GZ2BT4N66O00VUW7@HEARNVAX.nic.SURFnet.nl>; Sun, 6 Jun 1993 16:23:10 MET Received: from itkdsa.kub.nl by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18086 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Sun, 6 Jun 1993 16:21:47 +0200 From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Tue Jun 29 17:12:39 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA15116 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 29 Jun 1993 17:12:31 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA22377 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 29 Jun 1993 17:12:27 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486471(4)>; Tue, 29 Jun 1993 11:08:59 -0400 Message-Id: <93Jun29.110602edt.576676-3@router.mail.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: BOTANY@PTEARN.BITNET To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 11:08:58 -0400 Status: RO I don't know if any one of you can answer this but I'm asking it anyway: Rumour has it that there's Sonic Youth date for Lisbon, Portugal the 14th of July. This date wasn't on the inicial european tour list. The day is nearing and we're not having the slightest confirmation. Can anyone confirm this? Thanx in advance, Mouta From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 30 02:24:00 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA16560 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 30 Jun 1993 02:23:56 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA26113 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 30 Jun 1993 02:23:53 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486653(4)>; Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:24:24 -0400 Message-Id: <01GZYBTIV5WI91W68U@verifone.com> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: "ERIK EBERT, SOFTWARE DQ, HNL, 808 626-3393" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Swell Maps Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1993 20:24:10 -0400 Status: RO Swell maps are one of those "influential late seventies bands". They were mentioned here a while ago and their sound was compared to Sonic Youth, Mission of Burma, Wire, so I was interested. I finally tracked down copies of the two Swell Maps albums. None of the smail catalogs I have listed them, but I got cutout copies from EAR/Rational music (angst@something or other - if anybody wants the address let me know and I'll look it up). Anyway, the albums are "A Trip to Marineville", MUTE 9 61199-2, and "Jane from Occupied Europe", (MUTE something - it's at home). They are reissues in '91 and '92 of albums originally released in '79 and '80, respectively, both with lots of extra tracks pushing the running time of each up over 60 min. There are also a couple of greatest hits albums out, but I didn't bother looking for them. Of the two, I really like ATTM. It reminds me a lot of early Wire, which makes sense because they were contemporaries. I guess I can see the Sonic Youth comparison, a little bit in the sound and more in their tendency to write long "concept" songs. JFOE is much more ambient then ATTM. If you like ambient-industrial stuff you might like it, but I found it a little annoying at times. I would strongly recommend ATTM, though, especially if you like Wire. It's got some _really_ cool stuff on it. Later. -- Erik From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 30 14:08:18 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA17458 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:08:13 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA25262 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 30 Jun 1993 14:08:09 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486475(4)>; Wed, 30 Jun 1993 08:09:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199306301206.AA01702@itksu2.kub.nl> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: pberck@kub.nl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: concert 29/6/1993 Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 08:09:28 -0400 Status: RO Hi, Since no one seems to have posted about last night's concert, I might as well do it myself :) While we were waiting in line to convert our reservations to real tickets, Steve Shelley suddenly appeared. Everybody (well, about 10 people) rushed towards him, and started asking for autographs. I only had two tickets on my, and I got them autographed. There were people who had brought CD booklets and bootlegs to get signed, jesus those people are fanatics :) Anyway, the joy of having obtained an autographed ticket soon faded when we entered - we had to hand in the tickets :( But I was going to mail about the concert... They started with Cotton Crown, and then went on to play two or three new songs! The first one sounded like it could have been on Confusion is Sex. Brilliant! Minimal repetitive guitar, loud bits in the middle, and no lyrics yet. On one of the new songs Kim just sang 'ten twenty thiry fourty' thewhole time :) But they were different from Dirty songs - more experimental in a way. Then they played PCH, another new song (I think) and a brilliant version of Flower. Nice to see what you can do with a screwdriver and a guitar! Let's see, I didn't write down the playlist. They played three songs from Dirty, Theresa Sound World, JC (after the break) and Swimsuit Issue. Then they played Candle, Stereo Sanctity and, what's it called again, 'i'm the boy, that can enoy, invisibility'. They used a tape or something, and they started the tape at the wrong speed (too fast), actually causing Kim to smile! After the break they played yet another new song, JC, and ended with Total Trash. And that was it. They only played for 70 minutes or so. For those interested, they all had had haircuts! When we went out, they had thrown all tickets in a large box. I searched and found a ticket with Steve's signature, so I did get one after all... I am going to see them again tonight, hope they play different songs -Peter From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Wed Jun 30 21:55:34 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18345 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 30 Jun 1993 21:55:30 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA11868 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 30 Jun 1993 21:55:28 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486459(5)>; Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:56:24 -0400 Message-Id: <9306301941.AA06832@jumbo.apple.com> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: "Jens Alfke" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: New songs/styles Date: Wed, 30 Jun 1993 15:56:22 -0400 Status: R New songs/styles Peter reports: >They started with Cotton Crown, and then went on to play two or >three new songs! The first one sounded like it could have been on >Confusion is Sex. Brilliant! Minimal repetitive guitar, loud bits >in the middle, and no lyrics yet. On one of the new songs Kim just sang >'ten twenty thiry fourty' thewhole time :) But they were different from >Dirty songs - more experimental in a way. These reports about new songs / new styles really cheer me up. I'd been assuming SY would just keep becoming more and more indistinguishable from yr standard post-Seattle indie rock band. Who was it that said yesterday that they are always really influenced by who they tour with, and that Mudhoney had caused them to get sloppier and more rock-like? I really hope that was only a temporary phase! Any way we can get Sonic Youth to tour with My Bloody Valentine or maybe the Kronos Quartet? I'd like to hear what effect _that_ would have on their future music! --Jens Alfke Please do not feed peanuts to my deity. jens_alfke@quickmail .apple.com From dok@fwi.uva.nl Thu Jul 1 09:05:50 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA19301 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:05:49 +0200 Received: from mail.fwi.uva.nl by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA02507 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:05:48 +0200 Received: from faktor.fwi.uva.nl by mail.fwi.uva.nl with SMTP (5.65c/5.1) id AA06562; Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:05:47 +0200 Received: by faktor.fwi.uva.nl id AA01440; Thu Jul 1 09:05:45 1993 Message-Id: <199307010705.AA01440@faktor.fwi.uva.nl> Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:05:45 +0200 Return-Path: From: dok@fwi.uva.nl (Sir Hans) X-Organisation: Faculty of Mathematics & Computer Science University of Amsterdam Plantage Muidergracht 24 NL-1018 TV Amsterdam The Netherlands X-Phone: +31 20 525 5200 X-Telex: 16460 facwn nl X-Fax: +31 20 525 5101 To: pberck@kub.nl Subject: Re: sorry dat we zo snel weg waren Status: R Hoi! Zo, dus jij had nog wel een handtekening.. Voor mij was er geen een meer :-( Maar ja.. We hebben nog lekker door A'dam kunnen wandelen, want ons logeeradres ligt niet helemaal naast het station :-(.. Maar voor de rest alles ok. Was er nog iets speciaals de 2e avond?? Sla de kippen Hans From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jul 1 09:16:31 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA19311 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:16:20 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA03721 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:16:17 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486653(2)>; Thu, 1 Jul 1993 03:17:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199307010917.AA23877@school> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: simon_r@boson.epita.fr (ronan simon) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SY in Paris? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 03:17:15 -0400 Status: R Hi, Do you know if there's a date of SY in Paris ? I didn't heard of. They were there already last November, in a large place. Maybe another date in France ? --- Personnal to Dave Sisson : I lost your EMail address, sorry. Don't care about the tape (just want type II) bye --- Ronan From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jul 1 09:58:25 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA19402 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:58:06 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA06753 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 09:58:03 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486653(5)>; Thu, 1 Jul 1993 03:59:36 -0400 Message-Id: <93Jul1.035644edt.576683-1@router.mail.cornell.edu> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Johannes Waldmann To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SY in ... Czecho/Slovakia? Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 03:59:35 -0400 Status: R > Do you know if there's a date of SY in Paris ? I didn't heard of. And, does anyone know of a concert (at a three day festival, as rumour had it) in Prague this summer? -- Johannes Waldmann, Fakult\"at f\"ur Mathematik und Informatik UHH, 15. OG, Jena, O-6900, Germany, phone (03641) 82 24778 email joe@inuo30.mathematik.uni-jena.de for this question's answer: "Venn ist das nurnstuck git und Slotermeyer?" From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jul 1 12:07:09 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA19746 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 12:07:06 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA15945 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 12:07:02 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486438(1)>; Thu, 1 Jul 1993 06:08:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199307011007.AA11896@imag.fr> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: David.Deharbe@imag.fr (David Deharbe) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SY en France Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 06:08:37 -0400 Status: R Sonic Youth joue demain, vendredi 2 juillet, a Belfort, au festival des Eurockeennes. Si tu veux les voir, n'arrive pas trop tard (vers 17-18h). Egalement au programme: Faith No More, Black Crowes, Tomm Fools, Lenny Kravitz et Galliano. Pour tout renseignement: tel: 84 21 85 85 Je ne suis au courant d'aucune autre date en France, Ciao, David. From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jul 1 12:58:30 1993 Received: from kubds1.kub.nl by kubsu2.kub.nl with SMTP id AA19832 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 12:58:22 +0200 Received: from RED-DWARF.CIT.CORNELL.EDU by kubds1.kub.nl with SMTP id AA18959 (5.65c+/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 1 Jul 1993 12:58:18 +0200 Received: from red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by red-dwarf.cit.cornell.edu with SMTP id <486466(1)>; Thu, 1 Jul 1993 07:00:08 -0400 Message-Id: <199307011056.AA10917@atlas.irisa.fr> Comment: Sonic Youth List Originator: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Errors-To: rob@msc.cornell.edu Reply-To: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Sender: sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Version: 5.5 -- Copyright (c) 1991/92, Anastasios Kotsikonas From: Gilles.Lesventes@irisa.fr (Gilles Lesventes) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SY en France Date: Thu, 1 Jul 1993 07:00:02 -0400 Status: R > From sonic-life-l@cornell.edu Thu Jul 1 12:06:53 1993 > From: David.Deharbe@imag.fr (David Deharbe) > To: Multiple recipients of list > Subject: SY en France > > Sonic Youth joue demain, vendredi 2 juillet, a Belfort, au > festival des Eurockeennes. Si tu veux les voir, n'arrive pas > trop tard (vers 17-18h). Egalement au programme: Faith No > More, Black Crowes, Tomm Fools, Lenny Kravitz et Galliano. > Pour tout renseignement: > tel: 84 21 85 85 > > Je ne suis au courant d'aucune autre date en France, > > Ciao, > David. > > > Woaw, on va pouvoir raconter des choses en francais dans la sonic-list !!! Simon (je ne sais plus son prenom), qui cherchait des dates francaises de SY va etre hyper frustre... il est de Rennes et je pense qu'il aura du mal a etre a Belfort d'ici 24 heures. Gilles PS: For those, non-french speakers, who reach this last line, Rennes and Belfort are in France what Seattle and Pittsburgh could be in the States. Not really in the same area.