Unofficial Summary of the Rush Limbaugh Show

for Thursday, October 20, 1994

by John Switzer

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October 20, 1994

BRIEF SUMMARY OF TOPICS: Dr. Spock writes new book about family
values which blames society for not giving enough money to single
parents; Mary Matalin hosts Rush's show; Mary reads profile of
Tony Coelho that was done in the Limbaugh Letter; Democrats say
Coelho "soaked up all the PAC money in the world"; Coelho left
Congress before ethics investigation was to begin; Coelho is
attacking Reagan, the 80s, and the Republicans' Contract with
America; Wall Street Journal views November elections as a
political earthquake and revolution; President Clinton decides to
"campaign" overseas instead of "helping" his Democratic
colleagues; Rep. Bob Carr (D-MI) suffered a drop in the polls
when Clinton campaigned for him; in appearance with Mario Cuomo,
Clinton claims he is not used to applause; Cuomo claims the
reason the press isn't defending Clinton is because Clinton
wasn't beating his own drum; Republicans can make some major
gains this November, especially in the South; Democrat Bill
Wheeler claims to be a conservative, but he and his wife both
have strong ties to Clinton; Democrats try to hide the fact they
are Clinton clones and liberals; Republicans need to enunciate
what they stand for; George McGovern warned in 1992 that Clinton
was a Trojan Horse liberal; Mary talks to William Kristol; Tony
Coelho thinks defending Clinton is a losing issue for Democrats;
Mike Kelly examines Coelho and the Democrats in New Yorker
article; Democrats claim the people are angry and in an anti-
incumbent mood, but actually they are in an anti-liberal mood;
conservative Republicans are doing well; Clinton administration
is duplicating a Bush campaign mistake in thinking their problem
is one of communications and not one of ideas; the people are
glad Republicans blocked Clinton's health care plan; Democrats
are saying they are for many of the things that are in the
Republicans' Contract with America; Democrats asked leading
question about the 80s in their poll; Democrats and press are
claiming Republican contract is a sell-out to the rich that will
hurt the middle class; caller would like to see government change
its divorce policies so as to stop encouraging single parenthood;
a lot of Republican candidates are from working class
backgrounds; Democrats are praising how they're bringing feder
money back to their districts, but the Republicans should point
out that this was the constituents' money to begin with; people
are tired of a federal government that takes their money and
gives it back to them, after taking its cut first; Kennedy upset
in Massachusetts would be a major one; government is the only
institution which wasn't streamlined and restructured during the
80s; Mary talks to Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA); WSJ and Times
Mirror polls show that Republicans will do well this year;
Gingrich is worrying Democrats so much that Panetta, Coelho, and
Schroeder have all attacked him; Democratic values are at odds
with those of most Americans; the majority of Americans want what
is in the Republican contract; Republican contract is in TV
Guide, so that Americans can read and keep it until next year so
as to hold the GOP accountable for their promises; Republicans
are promising to change the way Congress does business, pledging
to pass eight specific procedural reforms, such as open rules in
Congress; if Democrats are going to attack the 80s, then they're
also going to have to defend the Carter years that made the
Reagan years possible; Americans feel positive about the 80s by a
49% to 20% margin; restoring Aristide will cost $1 billion -
restoring democracy in Haiti would cost $40 billion; caller
praises Rush and Mary for making Republicans confident; vast
majority of Americans support term limits, the death penalty, and
a balanced budget amendment; changing federal spending by only
five cents on the dollar would balance the budget; electing a
Republican Congress would send a strong message to Bill Clinton;
it's not obstructionist to oppose those things the people don't
want; Gingrich believes Republican chances to get a majority in
the House are two to one this November; Mary talks with Senator
Phil Gramm (R-TX); Democrats in Congress think progress is more
bills passed, more taxes raised, more money spent, but
Republicans are going to change this; liberals believe there is a
government solution to every problem; Gramm thinks Republicans
will win the Senate this year; Ted Kennedy is so desperate in his
campaign that he's attacking his opponent on religious grounds;
Senate could end up with 35 conservative Republicans this
November; Gramm thinks both of President Bush's sons will be
elected this year; Oklahoma Democrat runs racist TV ad against
his black conservative opponent, J.C. Watts; caller asks why
local Republican candidate is virtually invisible; Mary thinks
that including the Republican Contract with America in TV Guide
is a better approach then trying to sell it in a 30-second TV
spot; Chicago Sun-Times endorses Dan Rostenkowski in spite of the
paper's own in-depth investigations of his financial misdealings;
even if Republicans don't win a clear majority in Congress, they
will win a philosophical majority; Mary expects some of George
Bush's health care reforms to be introduced in the Senate once
Republicans control it; Mary says writing a book was hard enough,
so a movie about her and James is out of the question; Mary talks
with Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX); Democrats claim Republican contract
will cost 1 trillion dollars, but in reality it will "cost"
Democrats 1 trillion in increased spending; Republican balanced
budget amendment would not include Social Security, but would
allow government spending to grow by 3.2% instead of the
Democrats' 5.4% figure, but Democrats think $700 billion worth of
increased spending in five years is not enough; Democrats, not
Republicans, have made and have proposed biggest cuts in
Medicare; Republicans will cut taxes on Social Security
recipients as well as raise the threshold of what recipients can
earn without losing their benefits; 80s saw growth rates of 4.4%
per year, as opposed to Clinton's 2.2%; Rep. Armey discusses his
flat-tax proposal, H.R. 4585; Howard Baker lists three
characteristics of a good President.

LIMBAUGH WATCH

October 20, 1994 - It's now day 639 (day 658 for the rich and the
dead, and 19 days until the November elections) of "America Held
Hostage" (aka the "Raw Deal" which has 823 days left) and 702
days after Bill Clinton's election, but Rush is still on the air
with 659 radio affiliates (with more than 20 million listeners
weekly world-wide), 250 TV affiliates (with a national rating of
3.7), and a newsletter with nearly 500,000 subscribers.

His first book was on the NY Times hardback non-fiction best-
seller list for 54 consecutive weeks, with 2.6 million copies
sold, but fell off the list after Simon and Schuster stopped
printing it. The paperback version of "The Way Things Ought To
Be" was on the NY Times paperback non-fiction best-seller list
for 28 weeks. Rush's second book, "See, I Told You So," was on
the NY Times best-seller list for 16 weeks and has sold over 2.45
million copies.

LEST WE FORGET

On Thursday, October 22, 1992, the air hanged heavy over the Rush
Limbaugh show as Rush started speaking:

"Ah, let's get started - we may as well. Greetings to you,
conversationalists, all across the fruited plan and welcome to
yet another excursion in broadcast excellence. This is the Rush
Limbaugh program coming to you, firmly ensconced behind the EIB
microphones as I sit here, in the prestigious Attila the Hun
Chair of the Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative
Studies.

"I feel so bad today. I am . . . I actually have the shakes and I
actually do not . . . do NOT want to do the show today. I wish I
weren't here. I'm not at all up . . . I'm troubled, conflicted, a
little down; rarely has it been the case that I have felt this
toward my daily tasks, responsibilities. Normally this is one of
the most fun things I do and I just don't have it today. Normally
I can sweep these things aside. Normally I can pretend for three
hours that they don't exist, or even incorporate them into the
program and try to elevate myself out of the gloom I find myself
to be in.

"I'll tell you what it is - I just . . . see, I don't want to
tell you, that's another thing! I don't want to say this . . . I
feel unlike I have ever felt before. I feel like . . . normally
there's nothing that I don't feel comfortable sharing with you. I
can tell you anything, as you know. And I don't . . . it's the
first time I have felt like making it up. It's the first time
I've felt not . . . you know, just coming forward.

"But I have no choice. You don't know the pressure I've been
under. You people have no idea what it's like. You don't know -
you have a number one best-selling book . . . . By the way, we
made it again, I should be happy - sixth week in a row, number
one, NY Times best-seller list. Found out at six o'clock this
morning, they announced it for November 1st. Ought to be on top
of the world, I ought to not care about this other stuff.

"But, uh, you want to know something else? We just got the latest
information on "Rush Limbaugh, the Television Show" - after four
weeks in the new season, we are ahead of Arsenio Hall, David
Letterman, and the Whoopi Goldberg show, which is going the
opposite direction real fast. And uh, our demographics on that
show are just astounding - number one syndicated show, late night
syndicated show in the 25-54 demographics.

"I mean I ought to be sitting here, uh, just trumpeting this
stuff to you people, and I normally would . . . it just doesn't
matter. It is . . . well, you'll hear how bad it is; maybe you'll
understand it, maybe you won't, I don't know.

"My friends, it's just this simple - I've changed my mind on the
Presidential race. Uh, I, uh, I have no choice. I mean I have a
choice, but I've made up my mind. I've been hoping, been holding
out hope that there would be a massive rebound, I've been holding
out hope that the President could pull this thing out, but it
doesn't look like this will happen.

"And, uh, I have my career to think about, and if the mood of
this country is not where I am right now, then I'm the one who's
going to have to change. And, uh, I have been challenged to have
the courage to change, and so I have - I am here to tell you that
I, today, understand the mood of the majority of the people in
this country.

"I, uh - <<to EIB staff>> would you please quit turning on the
intercom in there and making sucking noises? It's distracting!
They just . . . I'm sitting here, trying to share with you the
heavy things that are preying on me, and I am getting an intercom
and there's sucking noises in there. What was it you said that
sounded like sucking noises?

"I, uh no, I . . . I . . . no, I'm not getting into the gloom and
doom. I'm getting into the gloom and doom about me - I can't tell
you because this is just horrible! But I, ladies and gentlemen,
here at 12 minutes after the hour on the 22nd of October am here
to tell you that I have decided to endorse the candidacy of Bill
Clinton for President.<<heavy sigh>>

"No, I'm not crying, I'm just . . . talk about having no choice,
talk about . . . <<sigh>> It's the only way I think the country
can really, truly be saved - not with Clinton. I don't think
Clinton himself is going to be the instrument of revitalization
by virtue of what he will do; it will be what he will cause to
occur elsewhere.

"And, uh, I don't know - I'm just . . . I'm . . . I wish I
wouldn't have to . . . I would love to sit here and continue the
charade of being for President Bush, but I can't, so there. I'm
sure you understand that this has not been easy. I've had to
weigh my thoughts very carefully, I've had to weigh this
decision, I've thought about it a lot, I've talked about it a lot
with a lot of people. I have not made this decision lightly.

"So, now you see why I want to go home? Now you see . . . now you
see why I don't want to be here? I don't know what I'm going to
get. <<heavy sigh>> Let's take a commercial break a little early
- I just don't feel like saying anything right now. Can we take a
break here, Lo Bianco? Good, all right, and we'll be back in a
minute."

"Folks, here's my problem here - I just cannot continue to deny
the truth as I have been trying. I have been trying to put the
good on everything, but the truth just can't be swept under the
rug anymore. This is in the paper, today - Americans employed by
foreign-owned companies in the United States make 22% a month
more in wages than the total US workforce in private jobs in
1990.

"That's not good for America - if you work for a foreign company
in the United States, you make more than if you worked for an
American company. That's why we need change - these are the
government's own numbers. The Labor Department yesterday said
that the average paycheck for the 5.2% of American workers
employed by foreign-owned companies totalled $2,543 a month in
the final 1990 quarter, compared with $2,085 for employees at all
companies in the United States.

"So, you see, the situation needs fixing. We need the courage to
change and we need to be able to face these problems rather than
try to dress them up with things that are not true. Uh, I know,
you've also heard this - uh, the number of people who have filed
unemployment claims is down, and this is ostensibly the third
consecutive week in a row that these numbers have gone down, but
you know why this is? It's just because people have given up
looking for work. The only reason fewer people are filing
unemployment claims is because they've given up trying to find a
job and so there are fewer people - it's just that simple. There
aren't jobs to be had.

"Uh, let's see, what else do I have? Let me just go to the phones
. . . let's just do that, 'cause there's nothing here - it's all
untrue - all this good stuff out here is just - I mean I have
some funny stuff, but I don't feel funny."

Camille from Brooklyn, NY was too surprised and shocked about
Rush's endorsement of Clinton that she could only gasp and plead
"But Clinton, that slimeball! How could you? Oh, my god, I just
can't talk no more, I'm sorry . . . ."She then hung up, to which
Rush sighed and said:

"Hmmm. Well, that's just an indication of how tough it is for
everybody. See, I knew this is the problem - what am I to do? Am
I supposed to come in here and make it up? The charade . . . I
just can't do that. You know, everyone has always said to me,
they've always asked me `do you say what you think the audience
wants to hear or do you speak from the heart?' Well, what do you
think? I can't make it up, I'm not an actor."

Mary Ellen from Vista, CA told Rush "you're up to something!" She
thought perhaps he was trying to make a point. Rush replied by
saying:

"I've never done that. I have always - there have been times,
like April Fools, when it's obvious when I said `raise taxes on
the poor.' But I never . . . I have promised people, since this
show has gotten so powerful, since this show has gotten so big, I
have learned so much about the power of this microphone and the
things you can make people believe.

"And I've always promised I would never, ever use satire or
parody about things I truly, passionately believe. I would never
lie to people. I used to do it, it got me in trouble. The whole
reason that I've got this thing following me around about the
draft is that I tried to have some fun on this show one day
making up a story about a member of my family paying off the
draft board to get me out of it. The press was running around
trying to see if it were true, and it taught me you can make
people believe anything, and I'm never, ever going to misuse the
power of this microphone."

However, when Phyllis from the Bronx called to ask "Rush, what
are you doing to us? I'm sick and tired of the liberals in this
country who are pushing our button!", Rush said he was confused
about what the heck she was talking about. Phyllis asked why Rush
was backing Clinton, to which Rush replied "I am not! I never
said that!" Phyllis insisted this was what Rush said, but he
denied it again, saying "I did not! I did not say that!"

Rush had no more patience with Phyllis, and he pounded the table
in exasperation as he said:

"Look, all I can tell you is that I'm tired of this. Everyone
wants to look into my past. All anyone wants to do - it was 23
minutes ago. You keep talking about something that happened 23
minutes ago! It's irrelevant! Can't we move on to things that
matter! Can't we talk about the things that . . . you keep
talking about the things I said 23 minutes ago - it doesn't
matter! I didn't say it, I was younger 23 minutes ago! Cut me
some slack! We're trying to move forward, we've got things to do
on this radio show and you want to talk about something that
happened 23 minutes ago!"

John from Dallas, TX then called to beg "you can't give up on
Bush," to which Rush replied:

"I have not given up on Bush. I am not down on Bush! What are you
talking about? I didn't say anything like that! What are our
affiliates doing out there with our show? I did not say that! I
didn't say it! You keep wanting to talk about the past! Don't you
know that it's the future that counts!"

Suzette from Chicago, IL knew what Rush was up to - he was really
doing a "Bill Clinton flip-flop." Rush sighed and commented "this
is really sad . . . this is really pathetic." Suzette said she
understood and knew that Rush had to deny what he was doing, and
Rush replied "of course, I'm going to deny it. I didn't say it."

He was disappointed that in this call all Suzette wanted to talk
about was something that happened 45 minutes earlier. "I was
younger then," Rush stated. "I would not do it any differently
than I did it, but I didn't do it!" And when Jeanette from
Arlington, VA wanted to talk about this subject, Rush erupted to
say the following:

"This is something I can't . . . now there are these questions
about my character! You people are acting like you can't trust
me. I don't know why, I cannot understand why you continue to
want to bring up the past. All this show has been about is the
issues, and I have told Bo Snerdley I don't know how many times
get rid of these callers who want to talk about me! I am not the
issue!"

Rush said he was beginning to suspect that the Mutual
Broadcasting System, along with Larry King, had concocted some
sort of plot:

"It's an attempt to discredit me! I can think of no other reason
why this would happen. A lot of people in radio are scared and
quaking in their boots at the profound success of this show, and
they said that it would never happen and now they're coming out
with all of this stuff I supposedly did in my past that's
irrelevant. The issues! The issues, that's what made this show a
success - talking about the issues! Now all of a sudden,
something I said or something I said I would do . . . which I
didn't even say!"

George from Chicago, IL stated that his fax machine received a
fax from the famous Father McSnerdley who wrote "if the listeners
really knew what was said this morning, they would feel
betrayed." Rush said he ran into Father McSnerdley once in an
airport, but "he doesn't know me from a pile of coal."

George asked if he should therefore discount McSnerdley's fax,
and Rush sadly admitted that:

"Obviously Father McSnerdley is demented. Father McSnerdley is
getting old; he's a great American and a great guy, and he's done
everything he can for our movement, but apparently his
recollection of the facts is like everyone else's today! Can we
move on? Can't we try to get along, folks? Maybe just head down
the road? We've got things we've got to fix, we've got to concern
ourselves with the things that matter. If anything has been
established by virtue of the show today, it's how out of touch
you people are."

When EIB received a fax that accused Rush of "loathing the
Republican party," he angrily denied the charge:

"That's another thing, I have never, ever said! I have never said
that I loathed the Republican party. Look, my friends, I am
beginning to resent this! I have a long record of distinguished,
proud, honorable service as your talk show host since 1984 -
Sacramento, CA - eight years! Count 'em up!

"Not one indiscretion, not one challenge to my character or
credibility, and now I am faced with accusations that I said I
was going to vote for Bill Clinton, and I never, ever said it,
and you know I didn't say it! This is just a dirty tricks
campaign on the part of some other talk show host, some other
network out there to discredit me, and I'm not going to stand for
it!"

When Jean from Scarsdale, NY called, however, Rush admitted "if I
could have that half-hour back, if I could do that half-hour
again, I would change they way I said what I said, but I didn't
say it. I did not come out for Clinton. I did not endorse
Clinton. I didn't get anywhere near it. I said I could understand
the people who are going to vote for him. Here, we'll play the
tape now and put this to bed once and for all!"

Rush replayed the tape, and his voice could be barely heard on a
very scratchy recording:

"I, ladies and gentlemen, here at 12 minutes after the hour on
the 22nd of October am here to tell you that I have decided to
endorse the candidacy of Bill Clinton for President. <<heavy
sigh>> "No, I'm not crying, I'm just - talk about having no
choice, talk about . . . <<sigh>>. It's the only way I think the
country can really, truly be saved."

Rush therefore didn't understand what the controversy was all
about - all he said was "I had decided," not that he had already
done it or was going to do it; he was in the middle of making a
decision. Rush was simply trying to say that he understood those
who had decided that they would vote for Clinton. He simply was
only in the process of making a decision, and he was amazed at
how his audience could twist this around to infer that he is
going to vote for Bill Clinton.

Unfortunately, when the chairman and founder of the Excellence in
Broadcasting Network called in to request tapes of the first
half-hour of this show, the first part of tape was mysteriously
missing. Rush was curious how this could happen since nobody at
EIB had anything to hide, so he suspected that some liberals
working at EIB had done some dirty work.

Near the end of the show, Rush finally admitted that he was just
making a point about character. To too many people, character was
irrelevant because only the "issues" mattered, given that the US
was "in such as crisis." Rush had tried to show how important
character was, in every way he could, but still he couldn't reach
some people. Thus, he decided to show just what would happen if
said he was going to vote for Clinton and denied it.

Rush was just a talk show host, but the EIB switchboards had lit
up like a Christmas tree because of the outrage and despair
Rush's trick had generated. And if character mattered this much
for just a talk show host, how about the President?

Rush recalled that about six months after his national show
started, he was accused of draft dodging near the end of the
show, so he sarcastically said his father had paid off the draft
board and this was why he was never drafted. The show ended, but
a lot of people missed the sarcasm and started calling Rush's
family.

Rush's father called and told him that people would never trust
him again because "you've lied to them." Rush said that he was
only kidding, but his father said this didn't matter - "don't you
know why people listen to you?" he asked. "They trust you, son.
They believe what you're saying and you've lied to them."

Rush vividly recalled how his father venomously spat out the word
"lied," and this made quite an impression on him; he learned a
lesson then about the responsibility he has when sitting in front
of a microphone. So again, if character and the truth matter with
a talk show host, shouldn't they matter with a President?

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There were other items in Rush's show on October 22, 1992:

o	For the second time in a month Hillary Clinton was
interviewed by Cleveland's EIB affiliate WWWE, and once again she
was asked about Rush. The first time Hillary was interviewed at
WWWE, she said "you know, Rush Limbaugh has this great racket
going where he says whatever he wants to say regardless of the
facts, because it, you know, it makes news and it's
controversial. I mean that's how he makes his living."

During the second interview Lee Kirk of WWWE told her that she
was "being attacked fairly regularly and with a lot of energy by
Rush Limbaugh. What is your comment regarding Rush and his
diatribe?" Hillary laughed and replied:

"I don't listen to him, not at all. He's making his money by, you
know, launching these kind of grenades. I admire him for being so
commercially smart, but I think it's just part of his routine,
and it's okay with me if that's what he wants to do."

o	A group upset about Sinead O'Connor's attack on the Pope
collected a large number of her cassettes and CDs, dumped them in
the middle of 6th Street in New York City, and ran over them with
a steam roller, a fitting fate for someone who always sang flat.

o	Brenda Mendez, a young teacher in New York who was
wounded in a shooting at her school the previous week, confessed
that she paid $100 to a 17-year-old student to kill her. Mendez
was depressed because she had multiple sclerosis and suffered a
break-up of her marriage. She thus paid Lamar Goodwine to shoot
her, but he only hit her in the shoulder. The Brooklyn district
attorney hadn't decided whether charges would be brought against
Mendez, and Goodwine was released on $1,000 bail.

********

MORNING UPDATE

Mother and baby guru, Dr. Benjamin Spock, has written a new book,
"A Better World for Our Children, Rebuilding American Family
Values," which he promises will be his last. Hopefully so, Rush
adds, because in the book, Dr. Spock blames society for awarding
single mothers "brutally skimpy incomes," and then tries to claim
that the absence of parental values can be cured with more money.
Spock's book then warns that America is heading in the wrong
direction, harming its children by doing so.

Spock writes, "When I look at our society and look at the
millions of children exposed to its toxicity, I am near despair."
Rush admits he comes close to despair, too, but he can't be the
only one to observe the irony of Spock's comments. After all, it
was Spock's first book, "Baby and Child Care," published in 1946,
which gave birth to the notion that strong parental discipline
was harmful to kids. This theory, which was contrary to centuries
of hard-learned experience, gained widespread acceptance
throughout the country and the world, yet now, nearly 50 years
later, Spock is despairing at a culture that is sorely lacking in
discipline.

Rush therefore has some advice for Dr. Spock - since he will now
have a lot of time on his hands, he should go to a mirror and
stare. It is in the mirror he'll find the reason for a lot of
modern societal and family problems. It is in the mirror that
Spock will learn why so many undisciplined kids and ineffective
parents are helping society to come apart.

<<Because Rush is in Paris to attend Marvin Shanken's "Dinner of
the Century," the guest host for today's show will be Mary
Matalin, co-author of "All's Fair," host of CNBC's "Equal Time,"
former adviser for the 1992 Bush campaign, and wife to Clinton
campaign strategist James Carville>>

FIRST HOUR

Mary says hello to "dittoheads, loopsters, and Americans,"
honored to be subbing for "the man, the legend, the way of life"
who's off with his wife in Paris. She pledges to keep Rush's
vigil on Operation Restore Democracy alive and well during his
absence, adding that she especially loves Rush's wife, Marta,
who's loving, sweet, warm, and talented, not to mention beautiful
and a great friend.

Mary's guests today will include a "feast of fiscal
conservatism," with nothing but the "first team": William
Kristol, Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA), Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX),
and Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX). All these "liberal backbreakers,"
Mary notes, have Ph.D.'s, two in economics, one in American
history, and one in government.

Before getting to these "generals on the frontline of freedom,"
Mary first wants to mention her father in Marysville, IN (one of
what the Washington elite consider "fly-over states"), whom she
talked with the last time she was guest host of the EIB Network.
He won't be able to be on today's show, but Mary does want to
read one of the letters he wrote her earlier this month.

In his letter Mary's father first applauds her for the success of
the book she and her husband wrote, and then mentions the article
on Tony Coelho, new de facto head of the Democratic National
Committee, that appeared in the Limbaugh Letter. Mary's father
says that he has come to believe that the Democrats are finally
finished, thanks to how the people are catching on to what the
Democrats have been and still are doing in Washington. He then
adds:

"Actually, I feel sorry for James, if this is the best they can
do to revamp the DNC. It's hard to be on the losing team, whose
performance and record speaks for itself. Tell him to clear his
conscience and switch sides, it's never too late to see the
light. Actually, Reagan and I were Democrats at one time!"

Mary notes that she's learned everything in life from her father:
self-reliance, responsibility, initiative, and the fact that
actions have consequences. He always told her that he knew she
would get in trouble from time to time, but wasn't worried
because she'd be able to deal with the consequences of her
actions. One thing he always taught her was independence, because
in the end, you can only depend on yourself and your family, so
she owes him a lot.

Mary next reads from the profile of Tony Coelho that appeared in
a recent issue of the Limbaugh Letter: he currently raises cash
for the Democrats and was brought back into the party apparatus
to rescue Clinton's Presidency. From 1981 to 1986 he was the
chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee,
going after PAC contributions with a vengeance, hammering at
Republican-leaning PACs, telling them that it was the Democrats
who controlled the House.

Coelho told the Los Angeles Times "we're going to be in the
majority for a very long time, so it doesn't make good business
sense to give to the Republicans." His own colleagues referred to
him as the "guy who soaked up all the PAC money in the world,"
and this was going on even as the Democrats were accusing
Republicans of being the fat cats.

Coelho left Congress under a cloud of suspicion, after it was
revealed he had purchased a $100,000 junk bond with the help of a
California S&L executive. Coelho didn't report the bond either to
Congress or the IRS, and he left Congress right before an
official ethics inquiry was scheduled to be launched about him.

Coelho claimed in the 1988 Democratic convention that his party
would "fight the corporate cannibals on Wall Street," but then
became a millionaire Vice President of the Wertheim Schroder
Investment company; he's still a member of that company's board,
telling the Washington Post that serving this company as well as
the Democratic National Committee poses absolutely no conflict of
interest.

Coelho is important now because he's again become a power in the
Democratic party, having helped move DNC Chairman David Wilhelm
out of the way, and it's expected he'll be Clinton's 1996
campaign chairman. Coelho also devised the attack ads and
"generic spots" attacking the 80s and the Republicans' Contract
with America that are being aired nationwide right now. Plus,
Coelho is quoted in today's Washington Post as attacking Newt
Gingrich.

Thus, Coelho's name will come up often during today's show which
will focus on the November elections and the campaigns currently
being run. These campaigns clearly show how differently the
Republicans and Democrats view politics and Americans, and
today's Wall Street Journal calls the current campaign season a
"political earthquake" and "revolution" because, as Jeb Bush has
said, the people think "it's time to rearrange our relationship
with government."

*BREAK*

Mary notes that Rush was exactly right yesterday when he
commented that Bill Clinton was choosing to go to the MidEast
instead of campaigning for Democrats. Today's Washington Post has
the headline "President Decides His Best Campaign Tour May be
Overseas," and the paper notes that this is the first time in
modern history a President is going overseas so near a major
campaign.

The reason for this is obvious - Clinton's own pollster Stanley
Greenberg has noted that for every percentage point increase in
Clinton's approval ratings means that the Democrats will lose two
fewer seats in November. However, the corresponding fact is that
Clinton's presence hurts the Democrats; when Clinton campaigned
for Rep. Bob Carr (D-MI), Republican challenger Spencer Abraham
actually went up in the polls.

Phone	Doug from Stockville, MS

Doug says that the press is so stupid that it's putting stuff on
the air that allows President Clinton to bash himself. On CNN
this morning, Mario Cuomo introduced President Clinton to wild
applause, and Clinton came on to say "this is something that I'm
not used to in Washington." Mary cries crocodile tears for this
poor President who seems to be such a victim.

Doug adds that Cuomo then came up a bit later to say that the
reason the press wasn't defending Clinton or promoting his record
so much was because Clinton just wasn't going out to "beat his
own drum." Mary finds this an incredible statement given that
Clinton's is the most overexposed Presidency in Washington;
there's nothing that happens in Clinton's administration which
Clinton himself does not make a big to-do about.

Mary notes that Republicans have a big opportunity to make some
gains in the South, and she in particular is intrigued by the
First District race in Mississippi, where Republican Roger
Wickert is facing a Democrat, Bill Wheeler, who has strong ties
to Bill Clinton. Wheeler claims to be a conservative, but he
organized and campaigned for Clinton in 1992, and his wife was
executive director for the Mississippi Clinton campaign and is
now a political appointee working for Ron Brown in the Commerce
Department. The Sierra Club considers Wheeler to be one of its
top eight environmental allies, and he's taken over $150,000 in
PAC contributors to Bill Clinton.

The Democrats are out there, running away from Clinton, yet they
are all coming from a "Clinton clone pot." Thus, Mary hopes that
voters aren't fooled by their conservative talk and rhetoric.

Doug thinks that Clinton is bashing himself so much on the air
that Republicans don't need to really help him out in this. Mary
says that she's going to talk about this with her guests today -
Republicans don't need to bash Democrats but really focus on
their Contract with America and what Republicans stand for.

Doug agrees, and he just wishes that Republicans had a candidate
with the values that Rush epitomizes so as to bring the U.S. back
from the brink. Mary sadly notes Rush won't be able to hear
Doug's kind words in Paris, but adds that her father used to tell
her not to worry about losing one election because "there's
nothing you can do about those guys in Washington anymore."

However, since he's been listening to Rush, he, along with a lot
of other conservatives have realized that they are not isolated
or alone; they now know that they can band together and do
something. With that in mind, Mary thus encourages everyone to
get out and vote this November.

As to Clinton's trip to New York yesterday, Mary notes Clinton
has cancelled all his Midwest trips, but is determined to visit
Massachusetts to help out Ted Kennedy. Mary recalls what George
McGovern said during the 1992 Democratic convention - that Bill
Clinton is a Trojan Horse, no matter what he says, he'll govern
as a liberal. She thanks McGovern for making this point better
than anyone else could.

*BREAK*

Mary welcomes William Kristol, former chief of staff first to
Education Secretary William Bennett and then to Vice President
Dan Quayle, and currently the chairman of Project for a
Republican Future, a group which states that it is "committed to
articulating and advancing a principled Republican agenda."

She asks Bill about the memo his group released yesterday which
quoted Tony Coelho as saying the following about the Republicans'
Contract with America:

"If Republicans hadn't done this, the whole conservation would
still be Republicans going anti-Clinton and us defending Clinton,
which is not a winning conversation for issue. Ideas are not the
issue."

Bill first remarks that he's having an easier time with this
year's campaign because Mary's husband, James Carville, is not
involved, adding that the Clinton administration seemed to
started having a lot more problems when James married Mary and
went off on their honeymoon. Mary adds that their relationship
got a lot better once James left the White House.

Bill tries to start a rumor by saying that James is talking with
George Mitchell about mounting a primary challenge to Clinton in
1996, but Mary begs Bill not to say this as this would get
James's relatives to start freaking out, creating in-law problems
beyond belief. As to the memo which she just referenced, he asks
what Coelho is talking about.

Bill says the Coelho quote came from a story done by Mike Kelly
for the New Yorker about the November elections; Kelly's essay
makes the point that ideas do matter, but the quote from Coelho
is how he admits that defending Clinton is not a winning issue
for them. Bill notes that David Wilhelm, who was essentially
removed as head of the DNC, was blamed for Clinton's problems,
but this is absurd.

The liberal Democratic spin about the elections is that the
American people are angry and in a bad mood, without there being
much good reason for it; the American electorate is viewed as
being "grumpy" and determined to throw out all incumbents.
However, as Bill's memo points out, the people aren't throwing
out all incumbents - they're angry at Washington and the
Democratic Congress, as well as President Clinton, but Republican
incumbents are doing fairly well.

In particular, Republican governors such as John Engler (R-MI)
and Tommy Thompson (R-WI), who have been pursuing conservative
policies, are going to win big this year. Gov. Bill Weld (R-MA)
is also doing well, so Bill thinks the American people will
reward good government, which means cutting the size of
government and cutting back out of control welfare and social
programs. The American people have just decided that they have
had enough of big government liberalism.

Mary notes that the Michael Kelly article also quotes Democrat
Don Schweitzer as complaining that President Clinton is a "victim
of this anger." The Democrats seem trapped into the belief that
the Democrats in general and Clinton in particular are victims,
who aren't getting the credit they deserve. Bill says this is why
Clinton attacks Rush and other talk show hosts as the villains;
he honestly thinks Rush is poisoning the minds of the people
against the "truth" that Clinton is doing a great job.

The Bush campaign made the same mistake that the Clinton
administration is now making: thinking that the problem is one of
communications, not of ideas or issues. Whenever politicians
start attacking the communications apparatus, it's an indicator
that they've lost touch with reality and are deceiving
themselves.

Mary observes that the Clinton administration first attacked Rush
back when Republicans won two seats long held by Democrats in
special elections earlier this year. The Democrats claimed the
Republicans had won only because they were spreading a message of
hate and fear, and when their health care plan failed, they
accused Republicans of being obstructionists.

Bill adds that the Democrats tried to run against the Republicans
by blaming them for blocking the liberal agenda, but it turned
out that the people were grateful to Republicans for this, which
is why Clinton isn't talking much about health care anymore.
Clinton is not too eager anymore to bring this subject up, nor
are Democrats such as Bob Carr saying much about it. Carr was one
of the original sponsors of the Clinton plan but is now trying to
backtrack from his support of the Clinton plan, claiming he was
just trying to be courteous to the President.

Carr is even running ads that try to make the case he is an
independent, someone separate from Clinton and the Democratic
party; he even claims he supports the Balanced Budget Amendment,
which Clinton attacked last week as part of his attack against
the Republicans' Contract with America. Bill bets that most
Democratic candidates are now saying they are for welfare reform,
a balanced budget amendment, and term limits, all of which are
part of the Republican contract; yet Coelho is determined to keep
on attacking it, even though it's full of stuff most Americans
support.

Mary agrees, and hopes that listeners pin the Democrats down -
what these guys are saying are not what they are going to do once
they get in power. She asks Bill to hang on through the break so
as to take some calls.

*BREAK*

Mary notes that the Democrats are attacking the 80s and Reagan
years as part of their attack against the Republicans' Contract
with America, evidently in the belief that there is some sort of
lagging antipathy towards Ronald Reagan. The Democrats did a poll
which they think proves this, but one of the questions they asked
was:

"[A Republican candidate] signed on to the Republican contract
with their National Leadership in Washington, saying he would
support more tax cuts for the wealthy and increase defense
spending, paid for by cuts in Social Security and Medicare.
That's the type of failed policies we saw for 12 years: helping
the wealthy and special interests at the expense of the middle
class. Do you approve?"

Not surprisingly, this question was answering with a resounding
no, and if this is the type of leading poll questions the
Democrats are asking, it's not surprising why they are so out of
touch with America. Bill says that the Democrats think the
Republicans' Contract with America was something they could
attack, but the people like what's in the contract. The Democrats
thus resorted to cliches such as "tax cuts for the rich" and
cutting Medicare and Social Security.

The Washington press corps, such as Al Hunt, are really buying
into this strategy, attacking the Republican contract as being a
sell-out to the rich that will hurt the middle class. The
Republicans, though, should stick to their guns and their issues,
and most campaigns right now are being run on the issues, with
Republicans and Democrats taking clear and opposing stands.

Phone	Sarah from Pittsfield, MA

Sarah identifies with the Republican party, being a working class
American, but she has some problems with how the Republican party
ignores the issues that are important to her family. She'd thus
like the GOP to start including certain issues that are important
to blue collar Americans, such as preferential treatment to
minorities or special interest groups.

In particular, working class white males are competing with
privileged women. Plus, as far as divorce is concerned,
government always treats the woman as the victim, regardless of
who's at fault for ending the marriage. This is helping to
destroy the family and encouraging single parenthood. She thinks
men should be acknowledged as having a role as a family's
provider, instead of giving preference to women in employment and
elsewhere.

Mary notes that this is the antithesis of what the feminists
believe and is why most American women don't agree with the
feminist agenda. Bill notes that Bill Bennett recently called for
new attitudes towards divorce; also, racial preferences are
wrong, and while Affirmative Action in its original sense is
valid, this doesn't mean giving preferences to certain groups,
thereby dividing the country up into smaller and smaller pieces.

Bill adds that a lot of Republican candidates are from working
class backgrounds; Spence Abraham's father was a UAW member
before opening up a small store, while his wife's parents were
both UAW members. Gov. John Engler (R-MI) was a farmer and the
first in his family to go to college, and it's clear that the
Republican party is no longer a haven for upper middle-class
WASPs.

Mary agrees, and remarks that the current crop of Republican
candidates come from a wide variety of backgrounds; there are
fewer career politicians and lawyers, and they're raising their
money one person at a time. She thanks Sarah for calling.

*BREAK*

Mary thanks Bill for coming in, and asks what he thinks Democrats
will do and what Republicans should do. Bill says Democrats will
launch incredibly nasty, mud-filled attacks against their
opponents in a desperate attempt to save themselves; Gov. Lawton
Chiles, for example, has launched an incredibly nasty campaign
against Jeb Bush. Republicans, by contrast, should continue
focusing on the issues, making it clear the differences that
exist between the two parties.

Mary asks Bill to hang on through the break.

*BREAK*

SECOND HOUR

Mary says Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) will be calling into the show
soon, but until then will take calls with Bill.

Phone	Tom from Boston, MA

Tom remarks he admires both Mary and Bill for keeping the debate
on an intellectual level, and notes that many Democratic
candidates are telling their constituents that they should be
re-elected because they've brought money and jobs into their
districts. Tom would like Republicans to point out that this
money was the constituents' money to begin with, so why should
Democrats be praised for taking people's money and then bringing
it back to them, usually at 50 cents on the dollar?

Mary says that this is one reason why voters are attracted to the
idea of "citizen legislators," who aren't professional
politicians looking to create programs that skim off the top. For
example, the Department of Education dispenses money to schools
across the country, but it takes its cut first.

Bill notes that when he worked for Bill Bennett at the Department
of Education, it administered 221 programs; attempts to cut these
programs failed, which was unfortunate because most of these
programs impose mandates and additional burdens on school
districts, as opposed to helping them. As to whether the voters
will buy into the argument that Democrats should be re-elected
because they bring goodies back to their districts, it will be
interesting to see if Ted Kennedy gets re-elected on this basis.
Perhaps Massachusetts voters are tired of this and will actually
break with tradition to elect a Republican, Mitt Romney.

Bill notes he got his Ph.D. in Harvard, and was the token
Republican there; the atmosphere in Massachusetts is decidedly
liberal, so much so that when Bill voted there in 1984, he voted
for what he thought was the Republican challenger to House
Speaker Tip O'Neil. The next morning he found out, though, that
there was no Republican running against the O'Neil; instead, Bill
had actually voted for the Communist - this was the only choice
available to the state's voters at the time. Thus given how
liberal the state is, a Kennedy upset would send shockwaves
through the liberal community.

Tom says he hasn't heard many Republicans talk about this idea of
the federal government taking money from the people and then
returning only a portion of it. He thinks it could be a winning
issue, and Mary agrees. Ronald Reagan used to say that if the
people had to end up paying their taxes as they did their other
bills each month - by writing a check - the voters would quickly
get angry enough to revolt.

People, though, are coming to understand just how much they pay
in taxes and just how inefficient government is in using that
money. Republicans are not anti-government as much as they for
limiting government; there are some things only the federal
government can do, but it's gone way beyond that point today.

Bill agrees, saying that many things should be given back to the
states, local communities, and families; this is the Republican
message and people are responding well to it. Tom says that local
decision-makers tend to make the best decisions, and
decentralizing government down to the local level would be a true
reinventing of government.

Mary says this is only basic common sense - during the 80s
businesses all restructured and became more streamlined,
improving their competitive abilities. The only institution in
modern America that hasn't streamlined and become leaner and
meaner is government.

Bill says the one big failure of the Reagan administration was
that it wasn't able to cut government, streamline it, putting
more authority back into local hands. This will be the
Republicans' goal now, and a major issue in both the 1994 and
1996 elections.

Mary adds that the "Reagan deficits" can't be blamed on Reagan's
tax cuts; federal revenues actually increased because of those
tax cuts. Instead, the spending is to blame for the deficits, and
this spending and appropriations have been controlled by the
Democrats for as long as Mary has been alive. She thanks Bill for
coming by, and notes that after the break she'll be talking to
the "next Speaker of the House," Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA).

*BREAK*

Phone	Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) from Augusta, GA

Mary welcomes the Republican House Minority Whip to the show, a
man whom Newsweek called a "revolutionary centrist," whom the NY
Times described as a "thoughtful analyst who gushes with ideas,"
and whom today's Washington Post says is the Republican that
Democrats love to hate. Gingrich also runs GOPAC, which supports
local Republican candidates, as well as the Progress and Freedom
Foundation, not to mention hosting the cable-TV "Progress Report"
program and teaching a nationally broadcast college course titled
"Renewing American Civilization."

Mary confidently predicts that Gingrich will be the first
Republican House Speaker since 1953, the year she was born. Rep.
Gingrich thanks her for having him on the show, saying he's in
Augusta to campaign for Charlie Norwood, and he for one is
enthused about the Wall Street Journal and Times Mirror polls
that show Republicans to be doing so extraordinarily well.

Mary notes that Rep. Gingrich has visited at least 100 districts
this year, and he confidently predicted a Republican-controlled
Congress earlier this year. Mary at first thought that was
ridiculous, but now believes it will happen. The Democrats must
be fearful of this, too, given that Leon Panetta attacked
Gingrich in yesterday's USA Today and Tony Coelho is attacking
him in today's Washington Post. Patricia Schroeder has also
attacked him, so Mary asks what's going on.

Rep. Gingrich says these attacks are to be expected, given that
Republicans want to really change Washington, replacing the out-
of-touch power structure in addition to those who are making
their living off the current "pork farm." The liberals are scared
to death about this, which is why they're going hysterical about
the latest poll numbers.

The liberals have savaged the Republicans' Contract with America,
but every time they attack the contract, the better the polls get
for Republicans. Mary notes that the liberals are masters at
attack politics, especially in singling out individuals and
taking things out of context. In particular, the Democrats have
successfully portrayed the Republican contract as an attack
against Democrats, portraying them as enemy of the American
people.

Rep. Gingrich says he doesn't think the Democrats of America are
a threat, but the values portrayed by those Democrats in charge
of America certainly are. The country has a Surgeon General who's
openly anti-Catholic, Rep. Vic Fazio has attacked Protestant
activities, Joe Kennedy has attacked his opponent for being a
Mormon. President Clinton has excelled at creating politics based
on class warfare, and there are deep fears among the people which
the administration has worked hard to exploit.

Most Americans want term limits, an effective death penalty, a
balanced budget amendment, Congress to obey its own laws,
sensible tax policies that don't punish people for getting
married or senior citizens for working. This is what the
Republican contract does, and the Democrats are attacking it
precisely because the Republicans have listed what Americans want
from their government.

Mary adds that when the Democrats attack Gingrich personally,
they are really trying to divert attention, so as to avoid
discussing the issues and the Republican contract. When
Republicans gathered at Capitol Hill on September 27th, they were
attacked for coming up with an impossible contract that can't be
done. Yet Republicans are holding themselves accountable for this
contract.

Rep. Gingrich agrees - the new TV Guide has a full page ad which
lists the Republican contract; this ad can be torn out and kept
until the new Congress is sworn in on January 4th. If Republicans
control the Congress, then for every day of the next 100 days the
contract will be featured in every opening speech, as Republicans
work to achieve the goals stated in this contract. This is a
revolutionary approach to government and shows the dedication of
the Republicans to achieving the contract's goals.

Mary adds that the Republicans are issuing a challenge to the
voters - if Republicans don't measure up to the promises of the
contract, then the voters should throw them out. Rep. Gingrich
points out that many Democrats are urging the voters not to hold
them accountable for their promises of two years ago; in
contrast, however, the Republican contract listed in TV Guide has
a check-off box for each item, so that the voters can make sure
Republicans hold to their promise.

What Republicans are promising is to bring ten major bills to a
final vote, as well as to pass eight major congressional reforms,
such as requiring Congress to abide by the same laws it passes
for everyone else. Republicans are not promising, though, that
they can pass all ten of the bills listed in the contract, given
that some of them are very controversial.

However, Republicans are committing themselves to debate these
bills and to bring them to a vote in Congress, allowing the
people to express their will about these issues well in advance.
This will be a major change from the past, given that the
Democrats haven't even been willing to discuss most of these
issues.

By Easter every American will know where each member of their
Congress stands on term limits, the death penalty, and the
balanced budget amendment. Americans can use this information to
decide whom they want to hire and fire by 1996. Mary notes this
does not sound that revolutionary, but the modern Congress really
hasn't had truly open debate for years. She asks Rep. Gingrich to
hang on through the break to take some phone calls.

*BREAK*

Phone	Rep. Newt Gingrich (R-GA) from Augusta, GA (continued)

Mary notes that the Republicans can't promise they'll pass any
legislation, but they can promise to change the way that Congress
does business. Rep. Gingrich agrees, pointing out that there are
a number of procedural votes on the first day of a new Congress
that are typically along party lines, so if the Republicans have
a majority, they can guarantee they can cut the number of
congressional committees.

They can also guarantee they can cut the number of congressional
committee staffers by one third, as well as to change the rules
of the House so that all bills will be available in electronic
form, so that Americans with home computers can get copies of
them easily. With that simple change, the average American will
be able to get information that used to be available only to
Washington insiders.

In addition to this, Republicans can guarantee they will bring to
the floor of Congress ten major bills, including controversial
things such as litigation and malpractice reform. Of course, the
trial lawyers will oppose this, so getting it passed will be a
real challenge; however, Republicans have pledged to keep the
debate in the open by going to open rules, such as those used
under Sam Rayburn 30 years ago - legislators would be able to
offer amendments and legislate on the House floor, as opposed to
doing it in closed committees.

The American people would be able to see this legislation as its
made, out in the open on CSPAN. Currently some issues, such as
term limits, can't even be debated or introduced onto the House
floor because the current Speaker of the House won't allow them.
The Democrats use the closed rule to bring to the House floor
only the versions of bills that they support; this is how they
kept control within the House and how they have thwarted the
public will.

There are many issues which the people want, but which the
liberal Democrats don't, so by the use of the closed rule, the
Democratic majority can keep these issues off the House floor,
sparing their members from having to even vote on them. This sort
of approach to government is not that surprising, given that
House Speaker Tom Foley has sued his own constituents to overturn
their vote on term limits.

Mary adds that this lawsuit also explains why Foley got only 35%
of the primary vote.

Phone	Steve from New Jersey

Steve first comments that he agrees ideas are important, and
mainstream America is seeing that Clinton has surrounded himself
with a lot of liberals; Clinton has attracted a lot of heat to
the left, acting like a huge lighthouse that illuminates what the
left is doing today. As to the Republicans' Contract with
America, Steve notes the Democrats are using it as an excuse to
attack the Reagan years.

Steve has no problem defending the Reagan years, especially since
if the Democrats are going to attack the 80s, they'll have to
bring up the Carter years, which were the reason Reagan got
elected in the first place. Jimmy Carter destroyed the country -
its economy, its military, its foreign policy - to such a point
that Reagan was elected in a landslide, turning things around.
Thus, he'd encourage Republicans to engage the debate about the
80s and Reagan years, pointing out that Reagan was elected
because of the Carter years.

Rep. Gingrich notes that even the administration's own polls show
that people feel positive to the 80s by a 49 to 20 percent
margin. Thus, it's pretty stupid to fight against Reagan, except
for the fact that the Democrats have no alternative - they can't
fight for Clinton or his policies, so they are floundering around
in desperation, trying to find something they can latch onto.

It's a good point, though, to recall the Carter years, which were
typified by a "malaise," 22% interest rates, 13% inflation, the
hostage crisis, etc. And Rep. Gingrich is willing to compare
Reagan's values against Clinton's any day of the week.

Mary agrees the Democrats have taken on a risky strategy in this,
and Clinton has basically given up on campaigning by going
overseas. The administration is hoping that if Clinton goes
overseas his poll numbers will go up, saving a few Democratic
seats in Congress. However, Clinton has yet to get any lasting
bumps from his foreign policy endeavors; in fact, what Clinton
thinks are his successes, such as his billion-dollar excursion
into Haiti, are not well received by the American people.

Gingrich notes that the U.S. will spend about $1 billion to
restore Aristide to power, but to restore democracy there will
cost about $40 billion. Mary asks if the Congress is paying off
Cedras, and Rep. Gingrich says that the U.S. did fly Raoul
Cedras, described as a tyrant by Clinton only last month, out of
Haiti on an American military plane; the U.S. also released about
$75 million in frozen bank accounts for the use by Cedras and his
junta, plus the U.S. is reportedly even paying rent for their
buildings in Haiti.

Rep. Gingrich thinks most Americans will be outraged at how the
Clinton administration is as spendthrift overseas as in the U.S.
Mary agrees, but notes that Clinton must think otherwise since
the Washington Post has reported that he's decided to become the
first President in modern history to go an overseas tour during a
major election period.

Phone	Betsy from California

Betsy remarks that the media has been changed a lot by people
like Rush and Mary; their talk shows have changed the political
debate in America. When Betsy was growing up, she learned that
Republicans should keep their mouths shut when they disagree with
the Democrats, but that's not the case now.

Betsy notes that Clinton won the 1992 election with less of a
vote than what Michael Dukakis got in 1988, but a year ago she
wouldn't have dared to criticize him openly. Thanks to shows such
as Mary's "Equal Time" and Rush's EIB Network, however, Betsy is
now not afraid to voice her opinion. She thinks many Ross Perot
voters will see how badly Clinton is doing, and will start
shifting their vote to Republicans.

Mary notes that Rep. Newt Gingrich has been exploring alternative
means of communications long before others in the Republican
party. As to Perot, Mary notes that many of the things in the
Republican contract are favored by a broad majority of Americans.

Rep. Gingrich agrees, pointing out that a stronger death penalty,
for example, is supported by 82% of Americans; term limits is
supported by 78%, and a balanced budget amendment is even more
popular. The reason Republicans put their contract in TV Guide is
precisely because it is the most widely distributed publication
in America, so it will get out to the Perot voters and others who
usually aren't tuned into the normal political channels. These
people will be able to now see for themselves in writing what
issues Republicans think are important.

The ad in TV Guide is not negative, it doesn't attack Bill
Clinton, but rather states what Republicans think are important
and what should be discussed in Congress. More than 300
Republicans have come together to offer a positive package of ten
bills and eight reforms, something which is a major change from
politics as usual.

The latest polling numbers show that most Americans are in favor
of this, but the elitists in Washington hate it, preferring that
they be the ones to tell Americans what they believe. Mary says
that many Democrats are talking the talk during campaign time -
telling the voters what they want to hear - but when they get to
Washington, they just don't walk the walk.

Rep. Gingrich thinks the baby-boomers are mature enough not to be
suckered in by the liberal Democrats again and to evaluate the
contract on its own terms, without believing the
mischaracterizations being told of it. Republicans have already
said that Social Security is off the table, so it will not be an
issue.

What Republicans want are genuine spending cuts, while Democrats
are talking about spending $700 billion more than the country has
over the next five years, simply because they don't have the
discipline necessary to control spending. Changing federal
spending by only five cents on the dollar would balance the
budget.

Mary asks Rep. Gingrich to hang on through the break.

*BREAK*

Phone	Newt Gingrich from Augusta, GA (continued)

Phone	Larry from Youngstown, OH

Larry has a question about the Republicans' Contract with
America, which has some parts he agrees with: if Republicans
propose things which don't get passed, won't this result in
government gridlock, as in the past? Rep. Gingrich agrees, but
says that the signal that will be sent to Washington this
November will be very important.

There are undoubtedly many issues on which Clinton and the
Republicans can agree, and on those that they don't, Republicans
might have to try to override a Presidential veto. However,
electing Republicans this November will send a signal that
Americans want to end the failed welfare and social policies of
the past 40 years, that they want tough crime measures, a strong
death penalty. If the Democrats oppose such things, they will be
seen as the obstructionists who are opposing the popular will.

Mary notes that the fallacy of the Democrats' obstructionist
argument is that Republicans are obstructing those things
Americans don't want; Republicans instead are working for those
things the electorate has said it wants. In fact, Republicans
helped Clinton get NAFTA. Rep. Gingrich agrees, but notes that
the elites in Washington just don't get it - when you stop
something the elites want but the people don't, they call that
obstructionism; however, true obstructionism is blocking the
people's will so as to pursue the elite's goals.

The American people this November will be able to send a message
to Washington about whether they want the things that Republicans
are talking about; the average American will be glad to have a
Republican Congress that wants to do the things that the people
want. It's very revealing that Republicans have a contract in
print in TV Guide, which people can tear off and keep for January
4th, so as to hold Republicans accountable for their promises.
Rep. Gingrich, though, doesn't know of any Democrats who have a
contract or who are willing to state what they believe in,
because if they campaign on what they truly believe, they're
going to lose.

Mary agrees, and notes that she's been talking about the Wickert
race because it shows the kind of gains Republicans might get
this November, especially in the South, so she'd like to hear
Rep. Gingrich's predictions. Rep. Gingrich says that he's been
predicting a gain from 25 to 75 seats, but thinks the odds are
two to one that the Republicans will get a majority in the House
this November, and he's looking forwards to the elections next
month.

Mary thanks him for calling and urges him to keep up the good
work.

*BREAK*

Mary has ten seconds left to say that two Texas Republicans,
Senator Phil Gramm and Rep. Dick Armey will be her guests next
hour.

*BREAK*

THIRD HOUR

Phone	Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) from TX

Mary welcomes Senator Gramm to the show, noting he was first
elected to Congress as a Democrat in 1978, and re-elected as a
Democrat until 1982, when the Democratic party stripped him of
his House budget committee seat in retaliation for his co-
authoring of the Reagan budget platform. Gramm then ran for re-
election as a Republican, then running for the Senate in 1984 and
1990, both times with strong popular support throughout the
state.

Mary first notes that her prayers are with the Texans suffering
from the flooding and next mentions Tony Coelho who's been
attacking the Republicans' contract and the Reagan years;
however, one of the first attacks Coelho made against the
Republicans this year was that they were obstructionists, but
Gramm pointedly stated on CSPAN that he was proud to be an
obstructionist.

Senator Gramm points out that it's only in Washington where
progress is defined in a single-dimensional manner: more bills
being passed, more taxes being raised, more money being spent by
Congress, and more limitations on people's freedoms. President
Clinton has asked Republicans to support his plan for more
government, higher taxes on Social Security, gasoline, and
business, socialized medicine, U.N. control of American military
forces, overturning minimum mandatory sentences for drug dealers,
and the list goes on.

Senator Gramm has simply said no to all this things, as have most
Americans, in the belief that progress is really cutting taxes,
reducing bureaucracy, cutting spending, and expanding freedom by
limiting government. Mary agrees - the goal should be to
"rearrange our relationship with government," but liberals
believe that there is a government solution to every problem, so
their measure of success is how much legislation they can pass.

Senator Gramm agrees, and notes that nearly every American will
agree that America has for most of its life had unlimited
opportunity with limited government, but for the past 40 years
the Congress has been working to reverse this, increasing the
size and power and scope of government. Americans are realizing
that for 40 years, the government has responded to every problem
by asking Americans to give up not just more money but more of
their freedoms.

The American people are asking for their freedom, their money,
and their country back, and this is why there will be a
Republican majority in the Senate and a huge increase in the
House; the people want to elect people who will honestly change
government. Mary notes that Senator Gramm is the Republican
Senatorial Campaign Committee which is working to break the
Democratic control of the Senate.

Senator Gramm says he's even now heading towards Nebraska and
Montana to help Republicans there, and he's convinced Republicans
will win the Senate this year. Republicans will win the seat
being vacated by George Mitchell in Maine, and have a good chance
to oust Senator Kennedy in Massachusetts. Kennedy is so desperate
that he's attacking someone on the basis of his religion.

Had any Republican made the religion of his opponent an issue,
Senator Mitchell would denounce him, and Mary notes that
Kennedy's attacks against Mitt Romney are ironic, given that JFK
himself suffered religious-based attacks in the 1960 Presidential
campaign. Kennedy's actions show how desperate the Democrats are
becoming.

The Republicans are running strong in New Jersey and
Pennsylvania, winning in Ohio, beginning to win in Michigan,
ahead in Virginia, and giving Senator Jim Sasser (D-TN) a real
race in Tennessee. The Nebraska race looks good, as does the one
in Arizona; Feinstein and Huffington are neck and neck in
California, while Republicans are taking the lead in Oklahoma.

There is a real chance this year to increase the number of
conservative Republicans from the current number of 20 to maybe
35; this will mean that Congress will really get to vote on real
welfare reform, the balanced budget amendment, and to reaffirm
Americans' private property rights. The Congress will be able to
vote on letting the people keep more of their own money to spend
as they, not government, see fit.

Mary says that it's encouraging to hear that there is a real
revolution going on in the 1994 congressional races, and Senator
Gramm notes that the country is debating issues that weren't even
considered in 1980. There are actually candidates talking about
cutting government spending and making government smaller, so as
to produce more freedom.

Mary asks about George W. Bush's campaign against Governor Ann
Richards (D-TX), and Senator Gramm says that Bush is running a
good campaign based on the issues, while Richards is trying to
run a name-calling campaign. It's a close race right now, but
Senator Gramm thinks Texans will elect Bush as governor, just as
Floridians will elect his brother Jeb Bush to replace Governor
Lawton Chiles.

Senator Gramm notes that it will have to be a vindication for
President Bush to have his two sons run for office and win this
November. Mary notes that President Bush has said he's quite
proud that his sons have not let the press attacks against him in
1992 deter them from running for office this year.

Mary thanks Senator Gramm for calling, and the Senator notes that
Rush is very brave to let Mary take his place today. "The people
may not want him back!" he exclaims, but Mary says this is not
something Rush has to be worried about and thanks him again for
being on the show.

*BREAK*

Mary says she's really being irked by how Oklahoma Democrat David
Perriman is running a TV ad that contrasts what he did as a
teenager with what Republican J.C. Watts was doing. Perriman is
shown with a prize pig, but Watts, a black conservative, is shown
in a football jersey with beads and an Afro haircut.

Republicans have denounced this ad, saying it is designed to
exploit stereotypical views of blacks, but J.C. Watts is not just
a black athlete; he's also the University of Oklahoma quarterback
who led the Sooners to consecutive championships and Orange Bowl
victories. He was voted the Most Valuable Player in both Orange
Bowl games in 1980 and 1981, and was inducted into the Orange
Bowl Hall of Fame in 1992.

Watts is a successful, committed, hard-working man who made
history in defeating a nine-term Democratic incumbent for the
Oklahoma Corporation Commission, where he's served with
distinction. Watts is also the first black nominee for state-wide
office in Oklahoma history, and he's a committed spokesman for
many, many notable groups.

Watts is a proud black conservative, who's been savaged by
Perriman's racist and disgusting ad, so she hopes that Perriman
pays for his ad by losing his race.

Phone	Shirley from Indiana

Shirley asks how involved the Republican National Committee gets
involved with state and local races, given that in her local race
Republicans seem to have conceded the race to the Democrat. Mary
says that the support between the national, state, and local
party committees varies from state to state, but most of the
power is left to the state and country organizations.

Shirley doesn't understand why the Republicans aren't putting up
more of a battle in her local race; nobody even seems to know who
the Republican is. Mary says the national organization can't
directly help in local races, except for a maximum of $5,000 in
direct cash contributions. What might happen is that some generic
spots are put together that local candidates can use.

Shirley says she called the local Republican party, and they told
her that she should be patient. However, it seems to her that the
Republican candidate is just a stealth candidate, virtually
invisible. Mary recalls that in 1990 the GOP tried some old
techniques, such as going door-to-door, and these candidates had
a lot higher turnout for them.

Shirley, though, says the local Republican isn't even doing this
and the local party said this wouldn't help in her area. Mary
finds that hard to believe since door-to-door always helps, given
that the people want to see whom they're sending to Washington.

Shirley agrees, but this guy isn't getting any mention in the
press or elsewhere at all. Mary again suggests going door-to-door
as a way to turn that around and thanks Shirley for calling.

Phone	Dick from Houston, TX

Dick says he's been reading a lot in the papers about the
Republican Contract with America, but most of the coverage is
inaccurate and incomplete. He'd thus like to see the Republican
party do more to inform the public about this contract.

Mary says that Republicans have put a copy of the contract in
this week's TV Guide, so that people can study it and come to
their own conclusions about it. She actually prefers this
approach as opposed to trying to shoe-horn the contract into a
30-second spot.

The major media, though, claims that the contract's numbers don't
line up, but as Rep. Gingrich said, changing federal spending by
five cents on the dollar would balance the budget. Rep. Dick
Armey (R-TX) was the one who came up with those figures, and Mary
will be talking to him after the break.

*BREAK*

Items

o	Mary hasn't been able to get Rep. Armey on the phones
yet, so she mentions that Tony Snow will be the guest host for
the show tomorrow, so perhaps Rep. Armey will be able to talk
with him tomorrow if he can't get in today.

o	Rush earlier this week talked about how the mainstream
media is attacking the voters for being what's wrong with
Washington, but what's really wrong is things such as the Chicago
Sun-Time's endorsement of Dan Rostenkowski. The Sun-Times was
relentless in its investigation of Rostenkowski's financial
misdealings, but it nevertheless has endorsed Rostenkowski, who's
been indicted on 17 counts, because "even though he is accused of
ripping off taxpayers, he knows how to get legislation through a
gridlocked Congress and more importantly, his opponent opposes
gun control, abortion rights, and many important federal
programs. Rostenkowski knows how to deliver federal dollars to
Chicago."

Yet this same media claims it's the people who have it all wrong.

Phone	Mike from Connecticut

Mike asks if the Republicans have a real chance of winning a
majority in the House, and Mary replies that she tends to be more
pessimistic than others, but even she is beginning to think that
the current elections are something unique - there's a literal
revolution going on, and an upheaval seems to be in the works
this November.

The difference between the philosophies espoused by Republicans
and Democrats is clear, and Mary finds it hard to believe that
the electorate would ignore this. There isn't an anti-incumbent
fervor present, but rather an anti-liberal feeling. However, even
if Republicans don't get a clear majority in the House,
Republicans will have enough seats in both chambers to have a de
factor philosophical control in Congress.

Mike says the silent majority has awoken, which is a great thing.
Mary points out that those in Washington are so arrogant and
cynical that they think the people are ignorant and ill-informed,
but nothing could be further from the truth.

Mike asks about what would happen to health care if Republicans
win the Senate. Mary notes that George Bush had a health care
proposal which included insurance reforms about pre-existing
conditions and portability, malpractice and tort reforms, etc.
These are the kinds of reforms which Republicans will introduce
and which are likely to be passed if only President Clinton goes
along with them.

However, President Clinton has pledged his goal is universal
coverage, but if he does veto any bills without that provision as
he's promised, then he will be the true obstructionist. These are
needed reforms, especially since insurance costs for malpractice
are driving up costs, but it is unknown whether Democrats will
support them.

Mike asks if there is any truth to the rumor that a movie is in
the works about Mary's and her husband's life together. Mary says
they are getting offers for this, but they've already agreed
between themselves that they had one and only one book inside
them, and they told it in "All's Fair." Mary wants to keep doing
politics and her show, but other than that wants to go back to
her anonymous life.

She's glad she wrote her book, but is now ready to get off the
book tour trail, and the thought of any movie just makes her
sick. Besides, she can't think of anyone demonic enough to play
her husband James. She thanks Mike for calling and hopes he votes
for Republican John Rowland for governor.

*BREAK*

Phone	Rep. Dick Armey (R-TX)

Mary welcomes Rep. Armey to the show, noting he's got a Ph.D. in
economics and was teaching economics when he decided he could
handle the economy better than those in Congress. He is the
epitome of the free-market, pro-growth, fiscal conservative, and
Mary is certain he'll end up being the House Majority Leader in
the 104th Congress. She asks him about the abuse Democrats are
giving to the Republican Contract with America.

Rep. Armey says it's been amusing to watch these guys attack
something they haven't read. There are no spending increases in
the contract, and it's ridiculous to claim that the contract will
"cost" the country 1 trillion dollars; however, they came up with
this figure even before the contract was even finished.

He notes that the Democrats are claiming that a balanced budget
amendment will "cost" a trillion dollars, but this really means
that there will be a trillion dollars less growth in federal
spending, based on the current Clinton budget proposals. Thus, in
one sense the Democrats are right - the balanced budget amendment
will cost the Democrats a trillion dollars worth of growth in the
deficit and budget, which is its whole purpose - to stop their
out of control spending.

Mary asks how anyone can claim a balanced budget amendment will
lead to higher deficits, and Rep. Armey agrees this is counter-
intuitive. The proposal made by Republicans would take Social
Security off the table, keeping it as the separate trust fund it
is, and then the Democrats' budgets would be cut one nickel for
every dollar.

Thus, instead of the government growing by the 5.4% per year that
the Democrats want, it'd grow by only 3.2%, which means the
Democrats' "trillion dollar cut" really refers to how spending
will grow by only $700 billion over the next five years instead
of the $1.5 trillion the Democrats want. The Democrats therefore
think a growth of $700 billion over five years is some kind of
agonizing pain, and as is typical they think the pain should be
shared among everyone but government.

Mary agrees this would be funny if it weren't so sad, and asks
about the Democrats' claims that Republicans will cut Medicare.
Rep. Armey points out that the Democrats made the biggest cuts in
Medicare's history with Clinton's 1993 budget, plus they were
planning in $600 billion cuts with Clinton's health care plan.

The Republicans' contract, though, makes no cuts in Medicare at
all; the only thing Republicans want to do with Social Security
and Medicare is to cut the tax increase that the Democrats
implemented on Social Security recipients in 1993, as well as
raising the amount of money recipients can make without losing
their benefits. Republicans want to raise the threshold amount
from $11,000 to $30,000, which means working recipients will keep
more, not less, of their benefits.

Mary adds that the Democrats have also charged that the contract
will "throw us back to the 80s when we lost jobs and weakened our
country." Rep. Armey says that the average growth rate during the
80s was 4.4%, compared to Clinton's growth rate of 2.2%;
Republicans created 19 million new jobs during the 80s, and the
average salary of those jobs was higher than the average that
existed in 1980.

Those who began the 80s in the lowest one-fifth of income
distribution had a statistically greater change of ending the 80s
in the top one-fifth than in remaining in the bottom group. And
finally, charitable voluntary giving by Americans more than
doubled, reaching its highest levels in 1989.

Now, though, after the Democrats' 1990 tax increases and
Clinton's 1993 tax increases, charitable giving has fallen
sharply, and as happened in the 70s, the rich are indeed getting
richer, while the poor are getting poorer. In the 80s, though,
everyone got richer.

Rep. Armey can't believe anyone would be so foolish as to ask
Americans to choose between the policies of Bill Clinton and
Ronald Reagan, especially in the context of foreign policy.
Reagan's foreign policy destroyed the "evil empire" of the Soviet
Union, while Clinton's foreign policy makes Carter's look good.

Phone	Pat from Ohio

Pat says she wrote Rep. John Boehner (R-OH) recently about H.R.
4585, the Freedom and Fairness Restoration Act that would
implement a flat tax, asking about whether it's a good idea to
bill the people on a monthly basis for their taxes, as opposed to
withholding it. Rep. Armey says the whole point of this is so
that Americans each month see just how much they are paying in
taxes; if people have to write a check each month, they're going
to keep a closer track on just how much is taken from them and
just how much the government is growing off it.

Rep. Armey wants every American to ask each month whether they
are getting their money's worth from their government. With the
simple calculations inherent in a flat tax, it wouldn't be hard
for most Americans to be able to sit down each month and write
out their check to the U.S. government.

Rep. Armey thinks the American people are fair and willing to pay
their fair share, knowing that everyone else will, too, and the
underground economy will shrivel up. He notes he is willing to
trust the American people, instead of relying on the guile of the
federal government.

Mary notes that the bill in question was authored by Rep. Armey
and thanks him for being on the show.

*BREAK*

Mary attended a two-day seminar at the Reagan Library about what
is wrong with American politics. Senator Howard Baker ended the
seminar, however, by giving a short talk about what is right with
politics, and he made three points about what makes a good
President.

o	A good President needs to know who he is because he is
the example of leadership, not only for America but the entire
free world.

o	A good President needs to know what he believes in; he
must have a philosophy, but not one that is poll driven, but his
own philosophy, from his heart.

o	A good President needs to know where he wants to go and
where he wants to take the nation; all those around him will know
that.

Mary recalls how Ronald Reagan displayed these qualities and how
Americans haven't seen them in Washington lately. She thanks
everyone for calling, and ends the show with "I love you,
dittoheads and loopsters, bye-bye!"


