旼컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴커 � ISSUE 010 - BOULDER NEWS FRENZY - ISSUE 010 � 냐컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴캐 � Released on 1997 � 냐컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴컴캐 � The publishers of this newsletter take no responsibility for the use of � � any information printed and do not encourage others to bother the BNF. � � This is intended to document the events on the BNF only, nothing more. � 읕컴컴컴컴컴http://www.bouldernews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?Ramsey컴컴컴컴컴컴컴� -------------------------------------------------------- BNF Terror TSHIRT CONTEST!!!!! Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Motherfucker E-mail: royups@hotmail.com Location: send me erotice amil! Posted on: Friday October 03, 1997 OKAY! YOU HEARD IT HERE! We want YOU, yes you, the forum thrashers to help us make a BNF terror tshirt! Heres your chance to be creative. All we ask is you use some of the web page gfx from here and the PLA site Make something cool! Make a BNF terror insiginia! ANYTHING You can even put a picture of Logic Box on it! PROCEEDS WILL GO TO THE PEOPLE WHO SELL THE DAMN TSHIRTS! we'll also give a free tshirt to jameson -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: shohani E-mail: did I Location: win? Posted on: Friday October 03, 1997 The scariest t-shirt I can think of is one w/a pic. of Patsy chewing on a crucifix. Underneath we could have a slogan saying something like: Would you want to meet this woman in a dark alley? Or, a pic of a large black queen of clubs card with Patsy's face in place of the Queen's. (That really is a great idea if you think about it.) Or a pic of John and Patsy in bed with the blanket up around their necks and the slogun, "The Family that covers-up together stay out of jail together)" Oh, here's my favorite, a pic. of Patsy behind bars, tenderly stroking a heart shaped pillow of JB with a bubble over her head that says, "What was I thinking....?" -------------------------------------------------------- BNF_PLA ARCHIVES Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: lurker E-mail: bnf-pla@mailexcite.com Location: Somewhere to the east of Colorado Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 I've been archiving all the craziness here for months now and feel it should be shared with everyone. There's not alot of interesting stuff on this page, but if you're a BNF buff and want to read all the PLA & BNF related stuff, you'll probably want to check out my page. Enjoy! http://members.tripod.com/~bnf_pla/ -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!! E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 run, do not walk away from this site! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Uh Oh! E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 That's 'Jack Robinson'. But, I did check it out. Somebody's obsessed with you guys. Big Time! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: I'm sorry, but... E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 no it's Will -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Tips E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 Some browsers, such as Netscape, allow you to look at the document source. You can do this without activating the page, by placing the view-source: in front of the http, as in view-source:http://members.tripod.com/~bnf_pla/ Doing it this way, I saw this jerk has files you can download. Don't bother!! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: BEWARE OF ZIPPED FILES FROM STRANGE WEBSITES E-mail: Trojan horses concealed in Downloads. Location: They have to try harder Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 This website allegedly established by a "regular," here only offers three ZIPPED "archive files." Please be advised that this is a favorite way for malicious hackers to spread virus. It is REAL easy to embed viral code in zipped files. Most of the viral programs are around 2 Kilobytes in form, but will cause you a world of trouble even if you have a good viral scanner. The lastest viral programs are polymorphic, which means that they change form when downloaded. This website out of their favorite domain REEKS of trouble. Please don't say that you were not WARNED here about downloading those zipped "archives." Just a word to the wise here? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Sounds like a new PLA trick E-mail: Hope nobody falls for it Location: Are they running out of tricks? Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 It sounds real fishy. As if anyone here needs to download archived BNF files off on an external website when they are all here. Zipped files? Nobody can tell what is in them. Sounds like a classic "Trojan Horse" situation. The PLA has once again under-estimated the intelligence of the "regulars" here. ROTFLMAO! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: LOL E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 You stupid idiots. I went to that page. You have the choice to read or to download the files. Trojan Horse is a hoax, look it up you morons. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Also note E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 Their counter is from http://www.peak.org/cgi-bin/counter?ramseystuff3 Those web guys at peak.org are real sleaze-balls. I wonder if all those members there know how bad they are. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To: LOL E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 Tisk tisk, bad boy. You're showing your veritable pigments. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Jesus Fucking Christ E-mail: god Location: god Posted on: Sunday September 28, 1997 Do you really think if the PLA had set up a page hoping to get you to download a virus inside a zipped file, they would have also included the .TXT version on the page? Just read it online and don't download it. How simple is that? You people are so paranoid, it's sad. Look at what the PLA has done to you. -------------------------------------------------------- PLA's Web Board is Broken! Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: hehe E-mail: hehe Location: hehe Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997 We've totally destroyed PLA's regular web board and are now working on their secret page. Please help, the URL is http://www.phonelosers.org/pla_members . Thanks! [The pla_members directory was actually a sort of hoax. People who went to that page were forced to accept a cookie which logged their IP address for the PLA to see. ] -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Wow! E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997 Whoever is doing all this work to destroy the PLA pages, thank you so much. It's hard to do alone. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: ALERT E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997 Do NOT go to the above URL..it is only a site to collect cookies and gives you a message "Thank You". -------------------------------------------------------- TANNEST USES HALF OF HER SUN-BAKED BRAIN! Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Golly Gee Whiz E-mail: Golly Gee Whiz Location: Golly Gee Whiz Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997 Look at Tannest go!!! You know she can't use but half of her brain because one-half got burned out by the sun. The good half that's left isn't really all that good. But she can push a button and generate those threads like crazy. She's a good button pusher! Go Tannest Go! Push those buttons girl. And then take tomorrow off after you've exerted yourself to a near state of exhaustion. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: It's not Tannest E-mail: Location: Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997 I think it's the Tannest haters, trying to make her look worse. I kinda feel sorry for Tannest. Do unto others, little PLA wannabes. You thought what you got before was bad? I'd bet the PLA has something even more interesting in store for you. Something you can't reciprocate. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Golly Gee Whiz` E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Well who are you going to do this to? You don't even know who is doing this stuff to the PLA. You can go ahead and do it to all the people you have smeared on the threads but that ain't who is after you. LOL. Good luck on finding who it is! LOL -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Does it matter who it is? E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 As long as someone feels the pain for it, it's all right by me. Do these do-gooders want the blame placed on Teri and Windsor, who will ultimately suffer via retaliation? That is, of course, until the light gets shown on the real culprit (Denver is defineitely responsible for something.) Point being...if Teri and Windsor are responsible, they will get what they deserve. If not, someone else will get what the culprit deserves. If the culprit doesn't care that other people are suffering for their wrongdoings....well they should apply for the PLA. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Does't bother us E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Let Teri and Windsor suffer for what we're doing. We don't know them and they don't know us and they can suffer for our sins. LOL Go after them! Kill them! LOL Make them pay!!! Onward and upward!!! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Bullshit they don't know E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 If they don't know, like you're trying to persuade us, then they sure shouldn't have interrogted. All the info is info Denver has. And I'm not conviced. If you're not Denver or Windsor, answer these two questions.. 1. How come you know exactly (and only that) what the aforestated know? 2. Do you have any remorse that these two innocents will pay for you retardedness? I doubt you'll answer. -------------------------------------------------------- This is a good stress reliever Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Motherfucker E-mail: royups@hotmail.com Location: harassment central Posted on: Sunday October 05, 1997 You know, work can be incredibly stressful. That's why I like this forum. You can get out your agressions after having to talk to stupid peopel who are lonely, who have to call you several times a day. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Teri E-mail: Location: Denver Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 My life had no meaning until the PLA came here to play around. I couldn't understand how these people got other peoples personal information so easily. Now I do. It's not hard, it's not hard at all. In fact, my son Jason (who is giving me enough trouble right now) showed me exactly how easy it is to lure information out of people. He just made his name Jason23 and plainly asked Tannest all kinds of information about herself. Then, much to my surprise, she replied with what I'm assuming is complete honesty. The reason I have to let this be clear here, is that she knows exactly who she gave her information to, now. She knows, I know, we all know what Tannest told my son. My son, at that point, said the first thing to me that made me very glad that he is gay (please don't try getting to me with this one. I don't care that he's gay and your opinion doesn't matter). He said, "mom, if I weren't gay, I'd probably be pretty interested in this lady." Leave it to my sweetheart, beautiful son to be intruiged by Tannest. I myself agree that Tannest is an exceptionally interesting and nice person...WHEN SHE WANTS TO BE. Tannest, I wouldn't have to make these fake posts from your children and your ex-father-in-law if you could just be nice. Please try. -------------------------------------------------------- TELL TANNEST TO THINK HARD ABOUT WHO IS DOING THIS Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: She should know E-mail: She should know Location: She should know Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Tell Tannest to think real real hard on who she's pissed off this year. It will come to her. She should know whose doing this to her. LOL -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Tannest's press agent E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Tannest does not care. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: LOL E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Then tell Tannest this is the last hint we're giving her. One of us is a PLA member all ready! LOL -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: hehe E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Tannest will care real soon. And she has a big surprise waiting for her when she finds out who is doing this to her. hehe ...how I love a mystery! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: What a fucking joke E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 You're a PLA mmeber, huh? You must be the only one, since the PLA is not a membership group. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: LOL E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 How quickly we forget who we've been nasty to. How convinient. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Nothing you could do to Tannest would make her care E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 ENOUGH SAID. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Petty Bitch E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 You know what I mean you stupid jerk. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: wHEN YOU'VE BEEN NASTY TO SO MANY PEOPLE, CAN YOU COUNT? E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 It doesn't matter who she's been nasty to. You're all the same. Garbage. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: TO : Enough Said E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 So true so true. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: TPA E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 you've all shown your childishness. What would deter your childishness? Tannest leaving you alone? No, you're addicted. Just admit it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Nah E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 We'd stop if she'd stop. Tell her to leave the threads alone and we'll stop -------------------------------------------------------- STOP THE MADNESS!!! Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Forum Regular E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 All regulars check into this thread. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Jay E-mail: Location: Fla Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 c'est moi! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: McAfee E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Present and accounted for. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Peaches E-mail: at Location: Peachtree.com Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Gee and last week it was starting to look like we had gotten rid of the trashers and they are back again. Even worse this time, it looks like. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Rockford E-mail: 11:22am EDT Location: Canada Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Present... Some detectives WE are! We should put our collective heads together, track down the trashers, and cyber-smash 'em! It was such a calm weekend, too - a rare occurrence! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: TO: Rockford E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 We have found them. How do we cyber smash them? I'm willing. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Houston E-mail: 10:48am cdt Location: hou_tx@hotmail.com Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I'm here. Battle suit on. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Houston E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Valentino, I believe. Hope I don't get too dirty. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Ann E-mail: Location: Indiana Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Think it might be best to ignore them as much as possible (even though sometimes it seems impossible.) The thrill will be gone if they get no responses from us. Someday soon they will have to get bored and sadly, find another group to harass. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Terminator E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Boulder News can stop this. They choose not to. That is a fact! The trash threads are being posted by a program which is running continuously. It is probably being run on an ISP's machine or a business machine because it costs too much to have a dedicated line open 24 hrs a day. These are truly evil people doing this. And what they need is to split their head open with a baseball bat. Anyone have any addresses? If they are close enough to me, I will personally visit them and make them regret it on a very personal level. I am a vicious fuckhead, and there is nothing that satisfies me better than doing real physical harm to bullies. I am in Ca. and I believe some of these monsters also live there. Anyone have any names & address? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: fly E-mail: ... Location: on the wall at 11:55 edt Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I agree with Ann. Notifying servers of abuse if fine, but retaliatory spamming usually has had little or no effect. Although the index is filled with spam, the only new threads created since about 10 edt are these two by our own forum members. Most of the spam was created fairly early this morning. Apparently someone had to go to school, or work. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Houston E-mail: To Terminator Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 In your opinion, why does Boulder News choose to do nothing to stop the abuse? Time? Money? Staff? Lack of interest? Is there anything *we* do to get *them* to move on this? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Jay E-mail: Location: Fla Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I couldn't get onto here at all Sunday, or into the Boulder Daily Camera, either. I saw familiar names here and there in interesting discussions. Birds of a feather, we are! Did you guys read about the protest at Canaveral about the Cassini Rocket? 'I Want To Grow, Not Glow" on one kid's sign. From gray panther types to young ones. No trouble, just peaceful arrests and releases. In fact, one young guard opened the gate enough for the old ones to get in, who who couldn't climb the fence. ( Hip replacements, etc) Offered one his arm. Brings back anti war demonstrations where longhaired girls would put flowers in the gun barrels of the Natl Guard. (But that was before Kent State) I've Acted Up, now I should join the Gray Panthers! Make soup, not war! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: A BNF Friend E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I have a concern and want to know if any of you computer literate folks out there can put my mind at ease. I visited a couple of the PLA sites after seeing the URLs here just to see what they were about (I was smart enough not to do any of the stuff that generates threads here). However, I learned last night that some of their sites may send "cookies". I figured out how to get rid of the cookies, but could they have gotten any personal info on me while the cookies were on my system? And could this happen to others who've done the same? Someone please advise. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Another View E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 There was a good post about a month ago by a poster that called BN and actually spoke with one of the editors about it. In short, here were the responses: This forum was put up shortly after the BN got a website, and its almost immediate attention made them keep it, but ... It generates no revenue for them since almost all the visitors are from outside the Boulder area. Likewise, the bad reputation it gives is limited to a small group or people, again, mostly outside their sales area. They have little manpower to devote to working on the Forum, improving or cleaning. There is some internal division there in terms of free speech versus responsible use. Basically, it is up and running in autonomous mode. They don't have to spend any manpower unless they want to fix something, and there is little incentive to do so. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Terminator E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Houston, Honestly, I'm just very pissed off, because this is a larger issue here. These hoods are infringing on our freedom of speech which is our basic constitutional right. The federal government needs to take this up because its a crime that crosses state/country boundaries. I believe the best thing that can be done, aside from white knights with bad attitudes (like myself) taking vigilante action, is to write to your congress person (or maybe even harass them, so they get a taste of it) and hope they create some laws so that these criminals can be prosecuted. There are harassment laws for ex-spouses etc., and there needs to be an equivalent cyber law. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Seashell E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Good morning, Haven't been able to get in here or to the newspaper since Friday so I've been at Dans. Poor Santa and now Jesse, his son, are being discussed but there are other more timely threads. I'll be heading over there later. As for the cookies, make mine vanilla and chololate wafer. (I haven't a clue about what you all are talking about.) -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: INFO 101 E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 To Terminator: If you are in California, the person responsible for the technical aspects of the assault on this forum is Ryan Scott, a senior at Fremont High School in Sunnyvale, CA. Enjoy the bashing. The school has a web site also at www.fuhsd.org. The other person involved is a Samantha Stack in Bend, OR. Just a hop and a skip from you. She works for Blue Chip Development Corp. Her email address is sstack@bcdc or samantha@bend.net. She is also tied in with dynamik.com in Bend which helps hide these goons and allows them to have slip accounts to do their trashing with. To Anne: Ignoring the PLA since February has not worked. Do you think it will suddenly work? Your comments, please. To Cookie Question: Cookies are written to your hard drive, and allow the server that wrote them the ability to know when you visited last, and where you visited at that site. Nothing more. Use you Find feature on W95 and type in cookies to see what cookies are written to your hard drive. You can delete the cookie file or you also have the option of being alerted to cookie activity. Cookies are no big deal, and the PLA is just attempting to scare the non-technical people among us. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Teri E-mail: Location: Denver Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Sorry guys, but this time, the spam was one of my sites. I made that site, and evidently they are so excited that I make pages similiar to theirs that this is their new spamming subject. I'm really sorry if this interferes with your enjoyment of the BNF, I never intended it to do so. There is really no way I can stop trying to get the PLAers to leave, even if that means that they are here more often. You may go to the URL that's listed for Gluegirl; there's no way that it will generate any more posts here. It is simply a silly distortion of one of the more active PLA members. I do in fact have a lot of their adresses, but I don't condone violence and if you were to do anything like that, you would be in more trouble than they. It seems by threatening violence you're just making yourself look foolish. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Another View E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 A cookie (a very non-descript name for it I know. Thanks MIT!) is a piece of infomation a web server gives to your web browser. In the future, when your browser gets another URL from the same server, or others in the same domain if the cookie is generalized, it will also send the cookie along. The cookies original intent was to allow a server to keep certain info about you, like for a web search engine to know if you like long output format or just summary. The server could keep the info itself, but this would create a very large database. Also, everytime a home user dials up, they normally have a different "dynamically assigned" address, so there would be no way to tell "you" from other users of the same ISP. The solution - have your broswer keep the info instead! The problem: it allows people to be tracked a little. Everytime your browser gets a URL from the same site, that site can know which page you were accessing, and link it to the cookie (though not YOU). It gets interesting when sites start renting space to advertising companies. Each image (which is what the ad is) is a seperate URL. If a company has their ad on a lot of sites, then that company can tell which of those sites you have gone to, and when. Also, they can tell which pages (which they have ads on) at those sites you went to. It allows then to figure out info about you, like what your interests are. Can they reveal personal info? Other than interests through aggregation, nothing more than they can without cookies. They can already tell your IP address, and from that normally your general geographic location (this is where the size of your ISP can work in your favor). They can tell what web browser you are using (Netscape, IE, ...) and what version. They can also tell what operating system your computer is using. And, (most people don't know) they can also find out the URL of the web page you were on just prior to going to their site. They can find out all this without ever sending a cookie! Without exploiting flaws in the security of web browsers, they cannot find out your Email address (unless you tell them :) or your name. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Ann E-mail: Location: Indiana Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 To Info 101-- I have to disagree that we've--or some of us--have ignored PLA since February, and that's what keeps the fires going. I know that some among us really are compelled to try to retaliate, and to each his own, but I think that is playing right into their hands. If they did not get any results--and I mean none whatsoever other than seeing their threads here--it would soon get boring and they'd look for other pastures. Part of the fun (most of it actually) is getting people mad, eavesdropping on us trying to figure out who they are, etc. Everytime someone posts something intended to be detrimental to PLA, they retaliate somehow. It's a game of one-upmanship that no one will ever really win. I say let them ramble, but ignore, ignore . . . we've never tried it and I'd like to see if it would work. I do believe that they are just a bunch of teenagers with a mean streak and enough computer knowledge to stir up a ruckus. I don't think they are backed by the Ramseys or any other of the wild stuff that's been speculated here, they just thrive on seeing the damage they can do and the thrill of doing it anonymously. By the way, it's Ann with no "e" on the end. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: ... E-mail: ... Location: ... Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 People like Teri only add to the problem. I still blame the IRC regulars for starting all this. Now, Tripod isn't taking down the spam sites in response to the e-mail requests anymore...and as long as Teri and her ilk continue to war with the PLA...they will reciprocate. Sad end to a once enjoyable bulletin board. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: A BNF Friend E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Thanks, 101 and Another View for the cookie info. I am relieved! I do agree with those who say to seriously ignore the PLAers. We just keep it fun for them by fighting. I hate what they have done but we have just been inconvenienced for the most part. We are still able to converse almost all the time. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Houston E-mail: 12:48pm cdt Location: hou_tx@hotmail.com Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Another View, thanks for a very clear explanation of why BN has no incentive to fix the problem. Unfortunately for us, it's all downside and no upside for them (the proverbial, ubiquitous bottom line). I have this crazy idea that maybe someone among us from Boulder (Steven? Starfish?) could find out from BN what it would take for them to put a troubleshooter on the problem for a while--even if they have to hire someone temporarily specifically for the job. If it took $, I would donate as I am sure others would. How long could it take this "agent" to crack the code? How much could it cost? Anyone? A ballpark figure? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Old Timey Hat E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 If they had been ignored from the start they would not be here. End of story. Teri first kept them around by coddling and befriending them and causing the break up of many friendships by going over to Dalnet to be with *them*. She then found out they weren't very nice people and decided to *defeat* them. The ones who are now paying the price are us, the BNF regulars, who never wanted any part of Teri and her IRC wars to begin with. Take a look at the web page she so proudly admits to making, *to give them a taste of their own medicine*. She evidently needs some medicine herself, one that needs to be prescribed by a physician. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: to: Old Timey Hat E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 That post sums it up. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Houston E-mail: 1:09pm cdt Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Terminator, forgot to say that writing Washington is a good idea, and we should do it. But we also need a second plan, hopefully one that can produce quicker results. I am willing to ignore, but it will be difficult to get everybody to do this. In a group as diversified as ours, there will always be a few--just enough--who find it difficult to keep silent while being "pushed around." And unfortunately, it takes only a few to keep the spammers motivated. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Teri E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 What you mention did not happen until very recently--my befriending them and extracting their personal information. There were others that kept the PLA here long before I started (with the Detective X posts). My only intention was to make them leave! Please don't be upset with me, it was the only thing I could think of to do. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Dogbert E-mail: CloudNine.com Location: Somewhere Over Louisiana Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 You guys are so gullible. You're talking to the very idiots who are screwing up the forum. Just re-read some of the posts and hats above...think about it. This (These) guy(s) are good. They get us to talk about them, complain about them, and then they slip into the discussions (Terminator...ring a bell?) and make idiotic posts that we actually respond to. Hey, they're jerks, they're mutants,...but they're good at it. Dogbert -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Teri E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I don't really care if they know what I'm telling them. It's no secret to them that I'm the one retaliating against them, they've known ever since I first displayed their personal info. I was the only one that asked them the questions that derived the answers that I've posted. I welcome them to read this post, threaten themselves violently...whatever they feel inclined to do. As long as they know someone is fighting against them, my quest is accomplished. I will not stop. I will never let this die until they are gone or in jail. I know the pages I made about them weren't very clever in real life terms, but they were hilariously funny (as many emails I've received have proved) and hopefully the PLA can feel somewhat like we do when they make fake pages about people. Obviously this is not true in the GlueGirl case, as she seems starved for attention and feels the need to repost her "new" web page all over this board. However, I believe that Callingcard and Tannest aren't so happy about their pages. There is no mention of them anywhere. Stay tuned for my greatest work, the RedBoxofChickenPellets page! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Houston E-mail: To Dogbert Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 So what's the answer, or is there any. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Real Teri E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 None of the above posts are from me. None of them. The PLA is jerking your leg. I was not Detective X and I didn't do a webpage for them. They are all full of it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Realest Teri E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I will not rest till all of the PLA are dead. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: V E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I haven't checked in for a while. Just saying hi. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Real Teri E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 BTW, I have never posted on this forum using the name Teri. I only use the name Denver. And I have not posted in a long time. I do still come by to read the BNF. Believe what you want but I am not the person doing this stuff. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: the terminator E-mail: Location: cal Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I will find all the little punks,and when I do then the games shall begin I want to taste their semen and smell them all over in a animal kind of way I love computer geeky love with freaks and old men from the elks lodge :) -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Chumpy E-mail: nonono Location: yesyyes Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 You see, this is why the forum trashing never stops. You people suddenly think you're private investigators and detectives with the highest confidence in the world you can send these people to jail. Your only hope is for them to get bored with it, or have this sorry forum shut down. Of course, if this forum gets shut down, I guarantee this whole web site won't get any* hits anymore. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: This Forum E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 has generated more interest and 'hits' on the PLA sites than anything they've tried in the past. It keeps them on the servers. Traffic is the key, and this forum generates traffic. If you could understand the i-net, you could defeat them. None of you have a clue. ISP access is a terrible thing to waste, to paraphrase Dan Quayle. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Traveler E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 What I can't understand, is why these people (PLA) are even interested in this forum. How can messing the threads up for a group that want to discuss the JonBenet case, be so much fun, that they are after it day and night? I can see kids getting an occasional kick out of disrupting any forum_but to be after it so agressively, doesn't make much sense. Unless, there is a strong desire to have this forum closed down. I wonder what is behind months of this kind of behavior? I know this may sound hokie, but could someone connected with the Ramseys be behind this? I would have to think, considering the kind of business their in, that they would know of people that could do this kind of damage without much problem. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but it doesn't seem reasonable that kids would continue this for so long. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: to: Traveler E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 If you want to believe it's the Ramsey group, no problem. I've seen some pretty nutty stuff posted here already, so join the crowd. BTW: Tripod just took down the J/P, MissMolly and Flower spam thread generator. Another nice e-mail reply from them, but I'm giving up the fight to remove their web sites. These kids have more time to devote to this than I do and the recent posts here aren't worth saving anyhow, IMO. I've known for a while that some of our 'regular' posters take great joy in the current state of this board and they'll perpetuate this nonsense even when the PLA'rs get tired and quit. see ya, don't want to be like ya...... -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: But E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 I think the trashers are having a great time starting troll threads, like this one. They love to read what we write about them. They could easily destroy the individual threads if they wanted to. They prefer to read them and pick out really dumb posts or dumb responses to their troll posts. Some people here continually fall for this. Some people swear and yell and lose their tempers, and sometime even threaten them. Others have involved theories about how the Rams are paying them. They collect all his, just like they do the recordings of their stupid prank phone calls. Threads tht just discuss the case in an intelligent way, and ignore the trolls usually do alright. But just look at some of the recent night shift threads to see what I mean about the trolls. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Night Shift E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 is a joke thread. Without trolls, it doesn't exist. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To: The Night E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 True. It is a joke on whoever posts on it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: to: Traveler E-mail: Location: Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 So, you suppose the Ramseys also think Rick Neuheisel isn't a very good coach for the Buffs? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: nugget E-mail: usa Location: usa Posted on: Monday October 06, 1997 Unless a thread is numbered and has at least 5 messages, I refuse to look at them. We still have a lot of good posters, and you can usually find them by doing what I do. Some of the filth that is posted by the whoever they are is not welcomed in our home, and I refuse to invite it in. -------------------------------------------------------- An Open Letter To The Trashers Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: *** E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 There was much discussion yesterday both among regular posters and between regular posters and the spammers. The discussion centered about what, if anything, could be done to stop the trashing. Your position was that nothing could be done. You are probably right. You certainly have the upper hand. You even went so far as to say what is going on is our fault. (That we posters shouldn't fancy ourselves as amateur detectives because that agitates you.) Well guess what. You are dead wrong. No matter how you rationalize, this is not our fault. It is yours. And yours alone. I don't care if you are students, tramps, crooks or respected businessmen and women, you are truly nothing more than bullies. Is that why you are here? Does the havoc you wreck keep you in good standing with your friends? Keep you feeling in control? Important? Powerful? Well, congratulations. You have proved successful at pushing around people who, by your own words, are defenseless to your actions. Big deal. We, too, know why we are here on this "sorry" forum (as one of you said). We are here to try and keep alive a case where a little child never had a chance to make something of her life. You, on the other hand, have a chance she will never get, and what are you doing with the chance you have? Your behavior is truly disgusting. Does that mean you, too, are disgusting? Don't know. If there is anything good within you, perhaps you'll do something that, while it may not bring you recognition, may not garner you attention, may not keep the admiration of adoring friends(?), may not be as much fun as you are having now, just may bring you a different kind of payback--the kind that, over time, may be more meaningful and pleasurable than the payback you are receiving now. Why not just leave. Quietly, go away. You will not have lost the battle. You will have won something far more important. Try it. Even if only for a while. You can always come back--and no doubt you will if you miss us terribly. There are a lot of people in the world who need help. Find them. With all the new-found spare time you will have, help them. Leave us alone to try to find justice for this child however we can. It is the least we can do. It is the least you can do. And while I seriously doubt you will hear my heartfelt plea, if you do--any of you--good luck. And thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Who are they? E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 The people who are trashing this forum only pick on the defensless. They stay away from anyone who can hurt them. Logic Box and his friends once tortured and killed a dog and video taped it. They thought it was hilarious. This guy is really a horrible person. RBCP and Colleen Card call old people and tell them their sone or daughter has been killed in an accident and record the reaction. They think this is funny. They think they are intelligent because they can fool people. This is the kind of person who is trashing this forum. I know because I used to be one of them. When I found out about the dog, I quit. They are people who have been picked on all their lives and will always be. They try to get back at people who cannot hurt them. Harmless people and aniamls who don't mean anybody any harm. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Why don't you A-- holes E-mail: use your names *hats* Location: as you cyber *COOL* people say Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 when you post ????? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Well, E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 ...then they must really be desperate if they are now getting their kicks here. Must be a really slow period for them. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To WHY DON'T YOU.. E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Like you do? You are a joke. You do what you do to these threads and then you criticize *US* for not wearing hats? ROFLMAO HEHEHEHEHEH. You want to talk MORON!!!! ROFLMAO -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The MF E-mail: send me fucky email Location: la la land Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 RBCP and Colleen Card call old people and tell them their sone or daughter has been killed in an accident and record the reaction. They think this is funny. They think they are intelligent because they can fool people. NO, wrong, fuckface. Sl0ppy was the one who did that. I heard the taping of it. He called some chick on the phone and told her her roomate is dead. She burst out into tears. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To: MF E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Great! Defend yourself. ROTFLMAO. There's honor among jerks!! LOL LOL. Geez, please stop! ROFLMAO. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Well E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Think about it. Think what an obscure little forum this is. Maybe about 50 regulars (maybe 10) A small town newspaper without the resources to fight back. And some of them spend hours here. Making websites, talking about us on their boards, coordinating thread makking atacks. They also troll every night and now they are sitting here watching so they can destroy threads as they are made. Only a person with no skill, no balls, no ability to have any effect on anything or anybody would bother with this. We are here because we like it here. They are here because they hate it here. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To *** E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 http://www.ramseyfamily.com/investigation/ad5.htm http://www.ramseyfamily.com/investigation/flier910.htm http://www.ramseyfamily.com/investigation/ad4.htm http://www.ramseyfamily.com/investigation/ad3.htm http://www.ramseyfamily.com/investigation/ad2.htm http://www.ramseyfamily.com/investigation/flier.htm I think it's not great result for JR-PR team after 9 monthes. And if one of clerks wastes his/hir worktime in this forum, he/she does good. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Vincent E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 That's a great letter - it will probably fall on deaf ears but you never know. It's a case of projection - their assumptions about us are based on their own lives. So to them we're bored, mean, unhappy, etc. It's not as if we are going to fall apart or give up the rich lives we lead because they are cranky and full of spite! At heart, they know it and we know it. The people who write with compassion and sensitivity aren't going to stop being that way because someone said something nasty. (If you ever saw the movie "Cold Comfort Farm" you'll remember the hilarious rejoinder that was finally made to the fearful old lady who was traumatized by seeing "something nasty".) The people who are hung up on destroying this forum need to get over themselves. Life goes on, and you can't control others, even if trashing this forum gives you that illusion. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: WHAT DO YOU TINK YOU ARE DOING ?? E-mail: ... Location: (o)(o) Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 "Leave us alone to try to find justice for this little girl" PPullllzzeeeeez !!! Aren't we exagerating our role in society ??? ALL you A--holes do is re-hash what has been printed in the tabs and in the newspapers -- this does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING "to find justice for this DEAD little girl". Why don't YOU quietly go away AND GET A LIFE !!!!! BTW the *battle* will only be over when all of you are gone --- THEN and ONLY THEN will I consider myself a success, and that day is coming soon. It appears to me that you are down to about 3 regulars, none of which are really that sharp. OH, the dog thing, do you know how I can contact Logic Box ??? I would really, really like to see the tape. Adios MORONS -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: The Deal Is E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 The smaller and more inadequate they are, the smaller the people they have to push around in order to make themselves feel BIG. Such MORONS. Never was there a better word for them...and out of their own mouths! ROFL. How ever did they find each other?!! ROFLMAO. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Oh Really? E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Please provide the URL that talks of the dog killing. I thought I had read all the PLA issues and have yet to see that story. Thanks in advance. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: ? E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Why is morons their favorite word? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: NYPD E-mail: Location: 72nd Precinct Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 TO:All the Sam Manzie wannabes in the PLA: we are tracking you down, all you skinny faggots who want to do 11 year old boys. We're gonna jam your braces down your throat and stick your mouse up your ass. Our new cyber-patrol, motivated by Eddie's murder, is tracking down all you sick masturbating foul-minded little creeps-- and YOU WILL PAY! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To: WHAT DO YOU TINK..." E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 ROFLMAO. PLEASE, STOP. I CAN'T BREATHE!!! And now *YOU* are telling *US* to get a life. OOOOOH! PAIN! LOL LOL *YOU* who sits here all day so you can spam each thread as it goes up? PLEASE, SOMEBODY, WATER!!! AND YOU WILL CONSIDER YOURSELF A SUCCESS WHEN WE ARE ALL GONE???? OH!! HOWL!! You are soooooo hilarious. Gee, when I grow up, I too want to be a success, just like you. I want to single-handedly bring down a forum on the internet. ROFLMAO. YOWWWWEEEEEEEEEE!! Better than Seinfeld!!! Better than the Simpsons!!!! Let's give this dude his own show!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To idiot boy E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 When you critisize us, it's obvious you read our posts all the time! What a jerk. You can't even admit it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Ann E-mail: Location: Indiana Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Vincent-- Amen. The trashers are bitter, sad people. It's hard for them to realize others aren't. There will always be people like this, who hide behind anonymity and try to bring others to their level. I pity them. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Trasher to *** E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 No one killed any pets, that I know of, anyway. There is nothing satisfying in torturing animals, nor is there anything satisfying in physically torturing people. Satisfaction is derived from confusion and anger, not sadness and misery. I took your letter very seriously. I understand your interest in this forum. There are not many others like you, however. The people that keep me here are the people that react as immaturely as I. Evidently, you are not one of these. When (and if) these people discontinue emulating my childish behavior, I will no longer find this forum any fun. Until then, remember who keeps us here--they may never be able to face this forum in the adult, respectful manner that you have. I have made this point several times, and I know that the people that I'm focusing on have read my thoughts and disregarded them accordingly. I don't expect that they will ever change; I don't expect that I will ever be able to come here without someone like Detective X attempting to save the forum from all evil. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Hey Stupid Thread Wrecker E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 By keeping this case alive, you don't think that makes it more difficult for the case to be swept under the carpet??? How is THAT overestimating our postition in society? How about YOUR position in society--"successful when you shut us down?????" What a misguided loser you are. It that why you ran off? YOO HOO. WHERE ARE YOU. Oh, and how do YOU know what we do here. Couldn't be you read us, now, could it? What's the matter dearie, got nothing better to do? Now I know why you hit and run like on the other threads. I wouldn't want to hang around posting and showing my stupidity every time I opened my mouth either!! ADIOS, MORON. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Thrasher E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 I don't care about the case, really. My opinions on the Boulder PD are probably nearly identical to yours. I don't find it necessary to babble my opinions all day, though. If this case stays alive, if it dies, it's all the same to me. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Oh yeah... E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 I forgot to mention that I did indeed leave this forum for weeks, not until I received word that I was in the spotlight again did I return. Consider this. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: I know E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 The story about Logic Box and the dog is going around at his school. This is what the kids there are saying. He never posted it anywhere that I know of. I'm not some kind of Detective X person. I was once involved with a few of these people, and don't want to be anymore. They make me sick. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: *** to Trasher E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 You know, if you are for real, I really feel bad for you. "Satisfaction is derived from confusion and anger?" That is really sad. I wouldn't know how someone could ever develop that kind of foundation from which to view the world. Also, I don't buy, "Until then, remember who keeps us here." My friend, you--and you alone--keeps you here. You--and you alone--are responsible for your deeds and words. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Danny E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 To Thrasher. Then what are you doing here? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: TO THRASHER E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Oh, I get it. You were gone but you came back because someone put your name was in the spotlight again. What does THAT mean? You had to come back? Who put it there? Someone you know? Did that get you mad? Even if someone you didn't know, well, ever heard of e-mail? But wait. If you take it up privately, your name wouldn't be in the SPOTLIGHT!! OH NOOOOO! CAN'T HAVE THAT!!! Oh, and whether the case live or dies....it's all the same to you? WELL, GUESS WHAT MR. MORON. IT AIN'T TO US!!! DOES THAT MEAN WE ALL HAVE TO BE LIKE YOU OR ELSE YOU MUST SHUT US DOWN???? DUHHHH! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: yeah E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 When you are lying in that hospital bed, (you'll be alone of course) and you hear the docs saying there's not much more thy can do, and the nurses just try to make you comfortable for your last few hours, will you look back at trashing this forum as an achievemnt? Something difficult? A challenge that you overcame? Did it advance a cause of yours? Did it make someone happy? Did you create something? Did it even make YOU happy? I love it when you jerks try to actually give reasons for doing this. This is the funniest you ever are. Watching you think and then trying to express yourself is like watching a dressed up monkey sitting at a table trying to eat with a fork. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: ergo E-mail: //// Location: 4:44 pm east Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Hi All, Interesting thread we have here. I have wanted a dialog with the thrasher. I would bet the one answering the posts on this thread is not him though. Steven, good to hear you being positive in your job search. Good luck to you and don't forget us when you get back to work. :) Anyway folks, just had to stop in and see what was going on. Peace -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To Ergo E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 It matters not whether it is the real trasher(s) posting here or not. I happen to think some of them very well may be a players in this cruel situation. What matters is that the real trashers will read this, and their reasons for trashing cannot be any more substantive or less absurd than those offered here. Their trashy reasons and excuses have themselves been well trashed. It would be difficult even for them to justify in any way what they are doing here and why. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To ergo E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 I doubt the Thrasher ever posts here, all dialouge is between the same person exposing the Thrasher. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: About the PTA E-mail: Location: Posted on: Tuesday October 07, 1997 Sounds like this Logic Box person, and these PTA people need a chat room. Are you guys really in high school? You're hangin' with the wrong crowd here. We don't get you're drift, like can't ya e-mail each other or somethin'? You're simply an annoyance, nothing more. No one pays attention to you except you. I can't believe it. Now I'm talking to teeny-boppers. -------------------------------------------------------- Together This Forum Stands Return to the Ramsey forum index page -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Hatless E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 This is my last hatless post. I will go back to using one hat and one hat only after this. I do want to say.... It appears the PLA have decided to let us alone now. I am asking the group of women that have taken it upon themselves to fight this war, to stop NOW. Please give the rest of us the chance to once again enjoy this forum. If you feel the need to continue this gang mentality warfare then please do so on the MIRC where it belongs. Or through private email, anything, just keep it off these threads. You evidently know how to contact the PLA members involved, at their homes, schools, employment, etc. You have proven to everyone here your incredible skill in "cybersleuthing". Perhaps your efforts are what finally got them to stop and if so I thank you, but it is time to end it on this forum. I hope you can understand this isn't meant to incite you or to invite flames. I am merely trying to give back the forum to the innocent people who chose never to become involved with the ruckus, those of us who want nothing but to see justice for JonBenet. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To Hatless E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 I am sure your intentions in posting are good, but your timing may not be. Things are quiet now. Yesterday, there was dialogue going on between the trashers and us. Someone here managed to get through to someone there. Someone there agreed to back off. Please, give it a break. Do not do anything to cause things to flare up again. Thank you. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: A silent Watcher E-mail: does it matter? Location: cyberspace Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 I would just like to point out that 1. There are no "detectives" here, most of the information dug up can be found in the PLA zines on their webpage (http://www.phonelosers.org), any thing else has been posted here by someone who thinks they know these people. I am great friends of RBCP and understand his situation. He is not the one posting this information, it is these brainless followers that think PLA is heaven and RB is god. The best thing is to shut this forum down and forget it ever existed. The spamming war will never stop. I would recommend setting up a private mailing list for the regulars here and using that. Just a thought -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: *** E-mail: To Silent Watcher Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 If these "brainless followers" think RB is great, can't he put an end to it or at least diminish the intensity and frequency? Or is he condoning/encouraging it? I honestly believe that someone yesterday agreed to stop. And the threads today would indicate that he was for real and that his actions made a difference. I am not so naive to think he, alone, could offer a permanent solution. But every little bit helps. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Hi Tech E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 They're back. Same time they arrived yesterday. Sure one may drop out here, but another picks up. They will never leave. People trying to understand why miss the whole point. It's entertaining for them to come here, that's all. They love to disrupt us and then see the stupid things we say. They get a good laugh out of it when we think the Ramseys are doing it, or someone thinks she has reasoned with them and talked them out of it. There are lulls when they re group or sleep. That's all. This will stop when BNF stops it. The people who find their sites and shut them down have done a great job, but it only helps temporarily. They are teenagers. We are grownups. Reason will not be a factor. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To High Tech E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 Dismal. Sorry to hear it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To High Tech E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 You are paranoid, there is nothing here today but pleasant conversation. In YOUR mind they are everywhere. Seek help! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Hi Tech E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 The numbered thread below was bombed just like yesterday. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: TO: High Tech E-mail: MBC.6749@mail Location: Miller Brewing Co. Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 No, no .... I think you meant to say that YOU are bombed, like YOU were yesterday. We at Miller strongly advise against mixing Prozac with any alcohol. So dry out fool !!!! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Never mind E-mail: Location: The same Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 To hatless. I can just speculate why somebody wants to make PLA responsible for all spam here. It's easy to imagine that adolescent hakers use to trash here from time to time but as a matter of fact this forum must look very boring and therefore it can't keep kid's attention for a long time. By now all information about them is well known, so, if THEY were the trashers, our brave detectives could easily keep them occupied by trashing their own mailboxes and websites as well as politely informing their parents/schools/companies about such an indecent behavior. Since it's not the case I presume that PLA has rather little or not at all to do with our problems. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To High Tech E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 YOU are the problem here and YOU probably also did the bombing. Try and blame it on hacker kids, but YOU have shown your true colors. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Lisa Marie E-mail: to hatless Location: Not of the presley fame Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 Why do you think that they should take it to mIRC? And if you are going to direct them around, wouldn't it be wiser to use the proper terminology? You meant to send them to irc. IRC = Internet Relay Chat. mIRC is just one of the many softwares available to do participates in the chats. IRC is a very useful internet tool. Even some of the major news networks have servers set up for irc so that they may draw audiences into discussions of the topics that they choose. For example, MSNBC uses irc for several of their programs so that those in the channel can participate with the program on tv while its in progress. They often have a discussion on JonBenet (which is why we have all come here.) Oh well, I've given you enough information to start with. Now, go learn how to use the internet and learn the language. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: PLA follower E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 This is for the most part true. I found out about the BNF from the PLA zine, but I've never really talked to RBCP in my life. I don't like to be labeled a follower, but go ahead, I guess I am a follower. I won't post here again, because of the *** poster. that was all I needed. I will have to monitor the forum for Teri's detective x posts. If she decides she's got something to say about us, I will decide to return. I can't speak for the other trashers, but I can try to persuade them that this place is boring. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Oh My To LisaMarie E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 What an intentensely bad attitude you have. I am quite aware that MIRC is a software program, just got into the habit of calling IRC, MIRC. I noticed yesterday that Rutnie called it the same thing. Don't worry, I have spoken with Ruthie, Teri, Wendy, Connie, the others and even yourself many times. I watched this whole mess start from the beginning. Teri (COLady) has been in a constant state of trying to cause dissention, ever since the day of the big meeting in #cybersleuths when YOU (LisaMarie) told Windsor to take a flying leap. Teri didn't like some of the regulars in #cybersleuths on Newnet and thought that by befriending the jerks on Dalnet she could take over control of the IRC channels. She soon found out that Tannest and her teenie weenie boy toys were nothing but snakes and then ever since has been trying to worm her way back in with the inner core group of regulars. Some are fooled by her but some of us know her for the real bitch she is. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: I think... E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 You are the company you keep. Sorry, but that's the way it is. How ironic that people who portray themselves as rogue Outsiders would embrace the very conservative, churchgoing Ramseys. Strange bedfellows, indeed. Then again, if the stories of animal torture are true, perhaps not so strange. Perhaps they have a common interest. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: A person who actually E-mail: has a brain. Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 This thread is so full of trolls it's probably worthless to post here. But I can't believe anyone would support the teenagers who are trashing us. I think there are some trolls who are old disgruntled posters from here. I know who one is for sure. But the spam threads making and thread destroying has been done by brainless adolescents. And the reason things are quiet now is that the thread creating pages got taken down thanks to people who try to find them and call the ISP's. If you want to imagine that the spam happens because we are getting close to solving the case, I can't stop you. If you feel sorry that the poor little helpless teens are getting blamed for something the nefarious Ramsys are doing, fine. believe it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To "A person who actually have a brain" E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 What kind of brain do you actually have? Is it something unusual? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To: The jerk E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 That would be "person who HAS a brain" idiot. God, I hate affirmative action. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: PC E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 To: To the jerk Do you have something against ebonics? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: I know! E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 How to solve our problem: IQ tests instead of registration! -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To "To: The jerk" who has a brain. E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 Take it easy. Who doesn't think that she/he has one? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Food For Thought E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 Could it be that the thread generating web sites are being located and removed subsequent to complaints to the domain by those unfortunate people whose names, addresses, email addresses, and phone numbers are being published by the PLA on the same pornographic web sites that generate the threads here? I know I certainly would complain if the PLA placed my name on the net on a pornographic site. Food for thought..... -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To Food For Thought E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 If my name was used by the PLA on those bestialty internet pages, I would do more than complain to the webmaster. I think the SOB that did that would be looking at my 45 pointed squarely between their eyes. How is that for food for thought? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: LOL E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 Do the forum a favor, use hollow point bullets in that 45 when you take out the PLA. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: Violence threats make you look stupid E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 PLA never resorted to violence. Why should anyone else? Is that all you can do to retaliate against an accusation of bestiality or homosexuality? Is violence how you resolve all your problems? My Beretta 9f is sitting there, but I'm not threatening to use it. -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: To "Food For Thought"2 E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 How could you know that it was PLA who placed your name somewhere? -------------------------------------------------------- Posted by: La Femma E-mail: Location: Posted on: Wednesday October 08, 1997 Testosterone poisoning is a sad thing to see. I feel sorry you and those around you have to suffer from this terrible disease.